Sony a6400 Picture Profiles - EXPLAINED
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
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Sony's naming of their picture profiles (from PP0 to PP10) isn't the most explanatory of them all, so here's a video trying to explain them a bit better :)
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0:00 Start
0:11 For the impatient ones
0:42 Color Profiles Basics
1:35 All color profiles explained
2:58 what is log anyway?
5:17 samples of them all (well exposed footage)
6:46 samples of them all (badly exposed exposed footage)
8:10 wrapping up
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Thank you! Just got my A6400 today and it's a lot more complicated to what I was previous using, so this video helped me out a lot.
I'm glad the video was helpful!! 👍🏻😊
I gave this a thumbs up 0:44 in because you broke it down so quickly for us impatient ones. Thank you.
I'm always hoping that the "impatient ones" section helps some people 😊
Thanks for the comment!!
I'm looking for many videos on picture profile.
The way you explained with results are great. Thanks for helping man. Good luck 👍
Happy to help, and thanks for the comment!! 👍🏻😊
Thank you for the very clear explanation! I just purchased the a6400, excited to test it out!
Enjoy it! It's a great camera, and thanks for stopping by and commenting!
The effort you put in into this video is really amezing.
Thanks! Hopefully it was helpful too 👍🏻😊
Thanks for the video you have saved me a lot of work. Been colorgrading for a few years now, been filming with a Parrot Anafi drone, Go Pro hero 5 & 7 so used their p-log. Up graded from a Cannon 700d so the whole P1-to 10 and all their sub folders came as a shock. I will use 7 with S-log 2 which from just looking at gives you that great base to work with. The S-log 7 from some experiments filming with proper exposure, if your prepared to put the work in can give you some great images. I use Hit Film Express but bought all the color grading and enjoy applying it. I am still making mistakes but when you get it right it really gives you that pro touch
Color grading is fun. I can't claim I know what I'm doing, but it's fun 😅
great video explaining the picture profile. Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback! Hopefully it was useful! 😊
First time seeing your channel. Great stuff
Much appreciated! And thank you for stopping by and leaving a comment 👍🏼😊
great work. thanks
Happy to help!!
Hi thank you for the video. That was very helpful. I am a complete amateur so it was sometimes hard to hear what you were saying because you spoke quite fast but I think I understand the most of it :)
I'm glad it helped! Sorry about the speed... I'm always afraid of people getting bored quickly, and I end up talking to fast 😅
Useful video !!! Thanks !!!
You're welcome! 😊
Very interresting & clear video about the picture profiles ! Thank you so much for sharing ;)
Glad it was helpful, and thanks for the comment!!
just got my a6400 this video its very helpful
Excellent! Glad to help, and enjoy your a6400!👍🏻😊
Great video!
Thank you!!
thanks for sharing
Happy to help
If I just want to shoot in, for example PP4 "ungraded", If I just set it there, does it stay there even when the camera is turned off and then I later turn it on again? Will all movies I shoot afterwards be in PP4 until I go into the menu again nd change it?
Also: On Auto, I went out in an slight overcast afternoon and made some video and all my greens were too bright and unrealistic. Will PP4 tone this down, maybe darken the greens some but maybe leave the sky a nice blue?
In your vid, it was in a studio, what about outdoors?
Thanks!
Yes, the camera will remember the picture profile setting.
I haven't used PP4 much, other than this video. For accurate natural colours to use out of camera, I choose PP1. If I want to color grade in post Slog2.
Recently bought a 6400, was struggling with the PPs. Thnk u
I'm happy that the video was helpful! 👍🏻
thank you
Happy to help!
Very helpful video, thank you! How would you choose between cine2 and hlg/hlg3? I want to do mostly talking head videos indoors with controlled lighting like you, but not sure which one to go for. Which do you prefer and why? Thanks Roger!
I prefer HLG (HLG2 seems to strike a nice balance for me) or Slog2 because I can use Resolve's Color Management with them and work in Arri LogC color space. Currently with the a6400 I use exclusively Slog2/Sgamut unless I'm testing stuff.
In the end it is a matter of taste, both on the results and on working method.
@@RogerinFinland Good points thanks for helping! Do you know if you can make a video on how to work with the Arri LogC color space in Premiere, and/or videos that show you how to do this?
Sorry. I do not use Premiere at all, and haven't searched for it either.
Hopefully you find something!
@@RogerinFinland All good, thanks Roger! In this video at 6:13, it looks like the Cine2 is more sharper than all the other gamuts (do you see it? i.e. you can see more of your pores and wrinkles on your forehead with Cine2. Is this because you added sharpening for Cine2, or there's a reason why Cine2 is sharper (I have seen this in other comparison videos as well). It looked like it had a smoother highlight rolloff than HLG2 and SLOG2 as well. What do you think?
Also, for your 'graded' SLOG2 footage here, did you use the Arri color space conversion method (like you showed in your other video), or just manually graded? (I assume the latter as it doesn't look as nice!) Thanks!
I used all the Picture Profiles with their default settings, and it might as well be that Cine2 does have some extra sharpening at the "0" setting compared to other profiles where you'd have to crank that up somewhere. And since you made me look at my wrinkles (geez, I'm getting old) I'll say that I do prefer the less sharpened look of Slog than Cine2. And I do make a distinction between sharp and sharpened if you know what I mean.
The grades were done with CST for Slog and HLG, but very very quickly. Even so, I do prefer the look of it, especially the skin tones where I found Cine2 to have some orange and yellow blotching.
And about the highlight rolloff, you might be right and I will 100% blame here too fast turnaround and effort. I still prefer the Slog2 look, and having worked with it (and tried to grade Cine2), there's more room to operate and better chances to get what you want from it than with Cine2.
And that is the biggest takeaway: with Slog (and log profiles in general) there is more room to work and get what you want/need. With other profiles, if you nail the look you want you're golden, but if not there's much less of what you can do in post to make it look different without the image breaking apart and starting to do funky stuff.
Hey! What color profile & settings did you use to film this video,
It was some time ago, but I mostly shoot with PP7 (Slog2/Sgamut), and then the usual for me: 4k, 25p, lens wide open, 1/50s and ISO likely at minimum (500) and adjust the light to expose for that 👍🏻
Hi,friend..can you help me....,....Unfortunately I was change pp7 log...but, i want to use again that setting...i was little bit confuse in a setting..can you tell me that log setting detail...please..
The safest way is restore factory settings.
Otherwise PP7 is Slog2 and Sgamut, and most stuff at 0 or in the middle.
(I don't have the camera with me at the moment so I can't check precisely).
Great video
Thanks! And thank you for watching and commenting :)
Thank you 🙏
Happy to help!
This was very helpful, thank you! As I understood, Logs 7-8-9 are equally good for editing in post, and the PP10 is the best, or are 6-10 all about the same in quality, and just depend on preference?
It vastly depends on preference for sure.
PP7 is Slog2, less dynamic range than Slog3 (PP8 and 9) but more forgiving with 8 bit. Since Davinci Resolve 18 also supported by ACES.
PP8 and PP9 is Slog3 with different color gamut (Sgamut3 and Sgamut3.Cine). It gives the most dynamic range but challenging in 8bits. I'd use it only if you use a color managed workflow (either RCM or ACES).
PP10 is HLG with Rec.2020. People like it because it looks flat enough and with manual tweaks good enough. I'd still use it with RCM. However the main use of HLG and the larger color space is for HDR output.
Myself I have no device with an HDR display, so I quite haven't used it much.
I hope this helps 👍🏼😊
@@RogerinFinland Very helpful, thanks. I'm about to shoot a music video, and I'm quite new to DSLR, video, and DaVinci, so all of this is quite new to me, since I used mostly PP4. But now I am just getting into color grading and stuff, so I guess PP7 could be a good starting point. Thanks again!
@@flutefluteus8288 if it is for an actual project, I'd suggest you stick to what you know :) I'd shoot log, but at this point I have a good workflow in Davinci.
I have a few videos about color grading Slog2 and Slog3 in Davinci Resolve using color space transforms and also ACES. I have videos for the a6400, ZV-1 and A7 IV, but they are interchangeable. I hope you watch them and get something from it :)
@@RogerinFinland I definitely will, thanks!
Great video Roger!
Did you try autum leaves profile? Skin tones are very nice with that profile ;)
Hi! If that's one of the "creative filters" I never use those 😊
But whatever gets the job done is the correct choice!
@@RogerinFinland true!
super good info, thanks a lot. I understand this picture profiles are for video, but do they affect still images for photography too?
Thanks for the comment!
They do affect JPEGs I believe, but not RAW files.
@@RogerinFinland oh that explains why I can't get them to stick in raw
How do I reduce the noise once I set my camera to slog2 ?
One thing is to overexpose by about 1.5 stops, so that you need to pull down when grading.
The other thing is that Slog2/3 aren't quite great at low light scenes as they are designed to retain highlight detail.
And finally, noise reduction in post.
thanks
Happy to help!
Do you have a recomendantion for a PP that is better overrall for night shoot
Hmmm, good question. Slog2/3 are good at preserving highlights, so not the best choice.
I'd give HLG a try, and if that doesn't work for you, I'm a fan of PP1. You need to expose well and precisely for the final image, but might work.
Actually I'd probably go for PP1, slightly overexposed and then in post just pull the exposure a bit down to take some noise away.
And with everything I said, test and choose something completely different if that works for you 😅
@@RogerinFinland thanks for your response, I’m gonna give it a try!
Slog 3. On sony 6500 is good or not. And can u tell me better picture profile
I don't have the a6500, so I'm not sure. With the a6400 and using ACES I find it definitely worth using.
I don't think there's a "better" picture profile. My preferences are: using ACES, Slog3; using RCM Slog2; HLG2 with RCM is OK, but I prefer Slog2/3. The rest of profiles I never use, but there's people that swear by them.
Testing by yourself is the best way to find out what works for you though.
@@RogerinFinland sorry woring i have a 6400 not 6500
Can you tell me best S-log 2 settings?
Not sure I understand what you mean. There's no such thing as "best settings" it depends on a ton of factors.
If you are asking about the fine tuning of the picture profile itself I Keep everything at zero (or the middle). If I want a softer image I might turn down the detail, but that's a matter of taste anyway.
Wow, shows how much recovery you can do with not the best exposed material with those higher gamma profiles, anything below PP7 to me seems to fall apart there, while PP8 and PP9 seem best to me.
That's a bit the point of the baked-in profiles.
They can look good, but they need to be exposed perfectly.
With log profiles, you also need to expose well, but there's more latitude to adjust stuff in post
My Teacher: "All these spelling tests are ungraded..." (ten minutes pass) "Graded"
"just add a LUT" to the test :D
please turn on captions!
wishing you for reach 1I very soon
Thanks!! And me too ☺️
I like pp3 ungraded ... I haven thousands of videos .... pp3 always hit that sweet soft ...
That's the most important thing, finding what works for you 👍🏻
i think HLG2 picture profile best for 8bits cameras like a6400
I wouldn't make any absolute statement about "the best". I prefer to use Slog3 with ACES even with 8bit cameras. It works for me, but I understand if it doesn't for others.
me coming back here after 3 years because i forgot how a6400 8bit works since log is hard :`
You're always welcome!
And check out some of my other videos on handling 8bit Slog2/3 with ACES or colour space transforms, those could be useful as well. They might be for the ZV-1, but it applies to the a6400 as well 👍🏼
Ok but why are you so sad?
Sad about what? 😅
I'm a pretty happy and content person. Why do I look serious in all the tests? It's easier for me to be consistent being serious than smiling, which kind of helped the comparisons in the video .
@@RogerinFinland Probably watched first video on your channel. That's why I felt.
It was helpful though. Thanks