Symphonic Distribution Exposed: Terms Of Service... (And Why I Switched)

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  • @TopMusicAttorney
    @TopMusicAttorney  7 місяців тому +4

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    • @LovespiralsOfficial
      @LovespiralsOfficial 6 місяців тому +1

      what do you think about the new 2024 update to the tos?

  • @redeemwilliams888
    @redeemwilliams888 7 місяців тому +7

    Thanks!

  • @metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx
    @metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx 7 місяців тому +35

    All i want is a distribution that doesn’t fkn kick their artists. And pays royalties wtf. how tf this happening in 2024.

    • @wawztzta8296
      @wawztzta8296 7 місяців тому +4

      digital music distribution just shouldnt exist

    • @aulskillzmusic8104
      @aulskillzmusic8104 6 місяців тому

      @@wawztzta8296 yeah

    • @DSYGMUSIC
      @DSYGMUSIC 5 місяців тому +6

      Just had to leave LANDR due to this really does suck

    • @MerysKey
      @MerysKey 2 місяці тому

      @@DSYGMUSIC out of curiosity, what issue did you have with LANDR specifically?

    • @DSYGMUSIC
      @DSYGMUSIC 2 місяці тому +2

      @@MerysKey I posted an EP and then like a week later they took down my EP for “artificial streaming” so they started an investigation to make sure it was official and it took almost MONTH and a few days for them to finally put my music back up and for them to apologize for the inconvenience at that point the songs lost its traction and I wasted money on my ad campaign with Facebook , their system I feel like just needs to change whatever they are using

  • @CFlower323
    @CFlower323 6 місяців тому +12

    Oh this was the EXACT video I've been looking for: an actual lawyer going over what's abnormal or otherwise potentially alarming in the very confusing ToS of the companies I'm looking into. It's not like there's one correct distributor that's actually perfect to clients, but it's still good info to know and understand when comparing the options. Thank you for making these!!

    • @TopMusicAttorney
      @TopMusicAttorney  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for the kind words! I'm so glad the channel is helpful. Please feel free to email me at Krystle@topmusicattorney.com and let me know what you're working on at the moment.

    • @JimmieJamOfTheDay
      @JimmieJamOfTheDay 4 місяці тому +1

      @@TopMusicAttorney Hi. Which distributor do you recommend? Thanks.

  • @welcome2insanity
    @welcome2insanity 5 місяців тому +21

    which music distributor would you recommend? i was going to sign up with symphonic but their terms and conditions put me off with some of the wording so thank you for making this video. Just not sure who to use now :/

  • @metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx
    @metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx 7 місяців тому +19

    Literally only using UA-cam rn to distribute cause there’s no point rn to use distribution services rn. Distrokid stole all my royalties.

    • @metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx
      @metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx 7 місяців тому

      @simsoms yes they’re all in on it. It’s quite clear. I have no idea how this unregulated sht is happening .

    • @carfourcar3107
      @carfourcar3107 4 місяці тому

      what if someone claim your music, i've heard youll got in trouble if someone claim as their because they copyrighted it first

    • @Smokethatshi
      @Smokethatshi Місяць тому

      @@metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx they didn't pay you nothing, the royalties just disappeared ?

  • @theandrescamacho
    @theandrescamacho 6 місяців тому +9

    amazingggg insight! could you do TooLost distribution?

  • @PitAjamz
    @PitAjamz 5 місяців тому +4

    Well if all these accessible and affordable distributors are no good, how do you get your music out there? Is there a preferred distributor out there, or is there another way?

  • @billymack4258
    @billymack4258 2 місяці тому +1

    Hi, I checked out some of your music, you have a really good voice and your music is awesome too! Thanks so much for all you do in helping us out. Billy Mack

  • @manvking
    @manvking 7 місяців тому +6

    Hi, What Distribution are you with now?

  • @metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx
    @metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx 7 місяців тому +9

    Can someone please make our own distribution. For artists by artists not these scummy tech fkn poor excuses of a company

  • @DEANDREXBENNETT
    @DEANDREXBENNETT 2 місяці тому

    Can you do a video on illustration distribution please i was think symphonic but this video is making me rethink that plan

  • @albertorodriguez858
    @albertorodriguez858 9 днів тому +1

    Thanks for making these videos helping us understand more on what we’re signing up to. I’ve been considering DITTO could you make a video about Ditto pls

  • @AntonioTonyNewtonMusic
    @AntonioTonyNewtonMusic 9 днів тому +1

    So what distributor do you use these days after Symphonic? Thank so very much for this information!

    • @TopMusicAttorney
      @TopMusicAttorney  8 днів тому

      Hey there - they all have their pros and cons; please reach out if you'd like help with deciding on one over another -- ClientCare@DelgadoEntertainmentLaw.com.

  • @jvic1469
    @jvic1469 3 місяці тому

    Spot on! And the thought that Spotify and Apple Music may incorporate a direct-to-fan model is something we hadn't come across but makes a lot of sense. Loving the content!

  • @Edacuatica
    @Edacuatica 6 місяців тому +4

    They updated the contract, and as far as I can see. They are also taking more money now 70%(you) 30%(them) for the money you make; It's in the contract now. And they can keep your money until you meet a threshold of 50 dls. which can be more if you misbehave.

  • @Phosfit
    @Phosfit 7 місяців тому +9

    11:20 sounds like Symphonic wants to train AI on the songs they distribute. They have the right to create deriving work.

  • @Blacktigwe
    @Blacktigwe 5 місяців тому +1

    Ok cool now tell us the good one ?

    • @TopMusicAttorney
      @TopMusicAttorney  5 місяців тому

      I'm hosting a YT LiveStream tonight at 5 pm PST; please join for more music business education and a Live Q&A!

  • @paulprince5672
    @paulprince5672 7 місяців тому +3

    Have you determined if the term "(Irrevocable) in the sentence "you hereby grant to symphonic an irrevocable non exclusive, fully paid, royalty free right to license, distribute, prepare derivative works , incorporate into other works... and to grant sublicenses of the foregoing rights etc... " actually means that their "right" to do exploitaion of ones music 360, remains legally in force forever and does not even end with the ending of the contract or voiding the distribution agreement with them because of the term irrevocable ? that would be crucial to know.

  • @christopherleader3585
    @christopherleader3585 4 дні тому

    Love the content, you don't mention which distributor you use now, maybe it's in another video. But out of all the distributors you have reviewed, who is the best. Thanks!

    • @TopMusicAttorney
      @TopMusicAttorney  3 дні тому

      They all have their pros and cons; please feel free reach out to schedule a consultation so an attorney can assist you with deciding on one! ClientCare@DelgadoEntertainmentLaw.com.

  • @DrRayne96
    @DrRayne96 7 місяців тому +2

    Please do illustrate. I’ve been considering using their service but the music distro contracts these days are scary

  • @soulcirclesounds
    @soulcirclesounds 7 місяців тому +1

    Please do a video about how bad songtrust is please !!!!

    • @NoDaysOff-oz2zl
      @NoDaysOff-oz2zl 7 місяців тому +1

      I agree. I left them earlier this year. SONGWORST. Just look at their Trust Pilot reviews!

  • @DEANDREXBENNETT
    @DEANDREXBENNETT 2 місяці тому

    Im bitting the bullet distrokid did me dirty please, i appreciate as well do im sure
    Can you do a video on illustration Distribution? Please?

  • @vonantesberg
    @vonantesberg 7 місяців тому +10

    We watch all these exposure videos. They’re very informative. But how about helping us find distros that are good. I’d love to see an Exposed video where you show an amazing TOS.

    • @AriesMarquis
      @AriesMarquis 7 місяців тому +1

      She is right that, pretty much, all of the distros have similar terms, but with my current experience, ONErpm seems to be a little more friendly. They don't have near the harsh language in their contract like Symphonic. I know a lot of people don't like the % being taken out, but I like them, overall.

    • @JGlassy
      @JGlassy 7 місяців тому +3

      Exactly. While I appreciate all the deep dives into these Terms, I’m not seeing how all the legit criticism is going anywhere; it’s like a circular drain that always spirals down into the same “here’s another rotten distributor not to use”. I doubt they’re going to change as a result of this otherwise eloquent, well reasoned, hand wringing. It’s typical under regulated capitalism, period. So yeah-let’s change this. The question is how. Coops? Maybe.

  • @LeeAmano
    @LeeAmano 2 місяці тому +1

    I just want to release music and not get screwed.... WHO CAN WE USE?

  • @jazzdirt
    @jazzdirt 7 місяців тому +5

    10:31 ... So basically they are preparing, for making an AI version of your song, releasing that, and never bother with paying your royalties ever again... nice industry this has become (always has been?) I mean the time of record labels wasn't exactly that much better... There is just always someone trying to take the fruits of your labor... This is not new. It has become very visible now.. And there are other options, especially if you have already built a community. ->
    There is always the possibility of uploading your album as a torrent, and politely asking for donations in the read me, explaining why you chose this type of distribution, and why you hope they will "give back" if they enjoy it, and that it's ultimately fine to listen for free, if you can't afford to pay for it... Then advertise this on your platform to your community... YT, Twitch etc etc... I know about people making more money this way than with all the distribution platforms combined... One of them, I'm sure you know.. Benn Jordan also did that as an experiment once... with pretty much the same results.. Or like Mary Spender, who first built a YT following, and is now selling her album through there, next to streaming platforms.. I think that will make her more than any single, or even all streaming platforms she's on, combined.
    And some people will enjoy your labor for free... Maybe they needed it... I personally copied half the local music library as a kid, because empty tapes was all I could afford (yes I know I used to be a filthy pirate even before the internet, I nowadays do pay for music I enjoy since I can now afford it, and as an artist I know it's important to do so)... And as an artist, I must say I'm fine with that kind free use (if they don't pay but still get inspired by it and go on to make their own stuff).. But it turns out if just a small percentage of people that enjoy your music actually donate something.. you already made more than on streaming platforms... in the same time period... It's become very ridiculous. It always has been, but nowadays it's in full public view and it just keeps happening...

    • @jazzdirt
      @jazzdirt 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Reishira-ln73ks ?

  • @jelnet
    @jelnet 2 місяці тому +1

    Who did you switch to?

  • @justice4all719
    @justice4all719 7 місяців тому +2

    Here's an idea : An international alliance of distribution cooperatives. 1 cooperative in each country. Could even put up a new international streaming service where very artist members can get into as part of the distribution. I don't know, coopify or something?
    An artist can become member, get their music distributed, keep 100% royalties and no fees.
    Only include in the agreement that the pool of royalties will be used to make interests, which will be used to pay for all costs.
    Any profits get redistributed 50% to artists, and 50% in the cooperative's coffers.

    • @jazzdirt
      @jazzdirt 7 місяців тому

      @simsoms Except interest rates are way on the floor rn... So for them to recoup their part through just interest, might mean they will have to hang on to your money for about 20 years or so...

    • @justice4all719
      @justice4all719 7 місяців тому

      @@jazzdirt If the pool is properly managed you could expect to generate 5% to 10% a year. Also add the costs to clients if there's a streaming platform coming with it. Also could generate donations and bring in volunteers at beginning since it would be a cooperative/non profit. Make artists pay a fixed one time price to become member of the cooperative to fund the initial growth, at worst add a fee per release for as long as the cooperative is not generating net positive cash flow. Once it would be going, artists wouldn't need to pay anything to publish, and keep 100% royalties.

    • @jazzdirt
      @jazzdirt 7 місяців тому

      ​@@justice4all719 5-10% (yes but only if you are willing to take risks [so you could also lose it], otherwise it's more like 1-2%)... How long until you have recouped your 30%? (which still is the publisher standard...)
      I feel that artist need to go back to promoting their own work.. I've heard so many people doing an experiment.. Release an album on all major streaming platforms. And at the same time upload it to a torrent site (free but with a read me asking to donate if you enjoy it), and advertise it through your channel... YT Twitch etc...
      Guess which of these ways generated the most money after a year... The torrent for pretty much everyone I talked to... I think the whole copyright system as it exists now is no longer of this time.. It's archaic... and doesn't line up with todays reality. Copyright was meant that artist could monetize their art and prove they made it... It became a way for art distributors to get really rich of someone else his work... It's a perversion of what it was meant to be...

  • @NuclearDeathWalk
    @NuclearDeathWalk 7 місяців тому +1

    So, I know you have Dukes Up Records, but who do you use now for distribution?

  • @Arun-ht9oh
    @Arun-ht9oh 7 місяців тому +1

    Hi can u review horus music distributor please

  • @NuclearDeathWalk
    @NuclearDeathWalk 7 місяців тому +2

    I used Symphonic as a label under their older label services contract since 2016. I too had an issue with content ID as well as a couple of other things with them... I have one song from one artist, that I am trying to get them to release the money. They went downhill since 2020

    • @drdestruction1
      @drdestruction1 6 місяців тому

      100% agree with you. I was with them on their original partner agreement from 2014 - 2023. They have taken such a nosedive in recent years

  • @edwardroberts4711
    @edwardroberts4711 3 місяці тому

    Can you do a video for amuse music distribution

  • @ROLEX-ii5en
    @ROLEX-ii5en 6 місяців тому

    Question-{can you please make a comparison video on the leading distribution sites and which one is you using currently?

    • @TopMusicAttorney
      @TopMusicAttorney  6 місяців тому +1

      We aren't recommending one over the other (legal reasons).

    • @Ajgwaup_official
      @Ajgwaup_official 5 місяців тому

      @@TopMusicAttorney which one are you using ?

  • @alexanderbytes
    @alexanderbytes 7 місяців тому +2

    what about landr

  • @K52thugg
    @K52thugg 4 місяці тому +1

    Which is a better distributor?can i try CD Baby

    • @meggafamgaming
      @meggafamgaming 3 місяці тому +1

      scam too

    • @isvaofficial
      @isvaofficial 2 місяці тому

      You can use.........
      rewave
      ditto
      horus
      landr
      symphonic
      Too Lost
      UnitedMasters

  • @master.heartless
    @master.heartless 7 місяців тому

    The same issue you had is the reason why I stopped sending artists to them. They are applying content ID to all the music they receive and don’t give users the option to opt-out.

  • @YohanLofi
    @YohanLofi 7 місяців тому

    where should i go now im kinda having burn out now who to trust now symphonic or others arp?

  • @MissTia777
    @MissTia777 7 місяців тому +1

    This can lead to masses of boycotts and lawsuits

  • @mahdlomusic2905
    @mahdlomusic2905 3 місяці тому +1

    Take out from this ..go direct to fans ..its the only way ..or once you have a following direct your fans to your own website away from the the music platforms ..sell to your fans direct from your own website ..your music ..merch ..tickets everything !! You then dont need these distribution companies then !! All the tools are there now to do this !! Run all your promotion and adds on your socials and send them to your website !! If say a just a 1000 super fans spent just $40 on you as an artist a year thats $40,000 a year of income .100% all yours !! This has to be the way to go !!!👍👍👍

  • @streamkitty
    @streamkitty 7 місяців тому +4

    Keep this video public and not members-only, please! More people need to be aware of stuff like this. It's really getting out of control.

    • @paulprince5672
      @paulprince5672 7 місяців тому

      folks need to get into reading contracts and terms of use not avoid

  • @DopamineOverload
    @DopamineOverload 7 місяців тому

    Why is the original Part 2 video members-only? All the live videos from the past 3 months are now members-only

    • @ThatOrko
      @ThatOrko 7 місяців тому +1

      The live podcast is available for the first 24 hours and then it becomes members only. We release the segments from the show throughout the week. 💪

    • @DopamineOverload
      @DopamineOverload 7 місяців тому +1

      @@ThatOrko thanks for clarifying. It’s always good to just leave live streams up because they don’t get that many views anyway. And if you guys are trying to expose the annoying things about the distro, leave it public. More people need to know!

  • @MIAPARIS-fy2fz
    @MIAPARIS-fy2fz 4 місяці тому

    I'm new and with S. Starter. Seeing this is scary! Who did she switch to???

  • @condlewis
    @condlewis 7 місяців тому

    What Distributor did you switch to or do you recommend most? Just curious!

  • @CMac760
    @CMac760 7 місяців тому +3

    We need LANDR & Kwettr

  • @streamkitty
    @streamkitty 7 місяців тому +5

    What frustrates me the most about the distros is that everything is ZenDesk. It's formula responses, no human anything. Ultimately not helpful, in the slightest. It's absolutely stupid and ridiculous. Ineffective. Give this comment a thumbs-up if you agree.

    • @NoDaysOff-oz2zl
      @NoDaysOff-oz2zl 7 місяців тому

      I hate ZenDesk. Whenever I see a company using ZenDesk, I avoid them. ZenDesk means CHEAP and THEY HATE CUSTOMER SERVICE.

    • @AmyBarbera
      @AmyBarbera 5 місяців тому +1

      I feel the same way!! I am so frustrated because there is no real human customer service with any of the distros anymore!!

  • @ITSupport-q1y
    @ITSupport-q1y 7 місяців тому

    Thanks again.

  • @mrentertainer47
    @mrentertainer47 7 місяців тому

    Brilliant help-line for all artists - thanks! I do wonder whether these distributers are worth using because clearly they are only 'self-serving' and seem to not have the interests of the music community in their T&C's contract!
    Yet their income is solely dependant on musicians?

  • @redempiregangrecords
    @redempiregangrecords 6 місяців тому

    How can I terminate my terms and conditions from symphonic music distribution

    • @TopMusicAttorney
      @TopMusicAttorney  6 місяців тому

      Hello. If you're needing legal help, please reach out to our firm. Admin@delgadoentertainmentlaw.com.

  • @NunSuperior
    @NunSuperior 7 місяців тому +1

    Someone should start an artist owned distributor, kinda like Nebula did for video. With enough artists they could get better terms with the streaming services and offer better deals to their artists. Unionize!

  • @nonenone6884
    @nonenone6884 19 днів тому

    why cant i post my own music?

  • @redeemwilliams888
    @redeemwilliams888 7 місяців тому +1

    *peace

  • @YY-bv3ik
    @YY-bv3ik 2 місяці тому

    how about onerpm?

    • @LASB208
      @LASB208 Місяць тому

      @@YY-bv3ik bad reputation, take many royalties and bad costumer service

  • @NoDaysOff-oz2zl
    @NoDaysOff-oz2zl 7 місяців тому

    This is an excellent series. Keep it going.
    Every indie distributor has become terrible because Spotify has made them terrible. It always seems to be Spotify accusing artists of fake streams without proof. It's Spotify who is imposing fines on distributors for alleged infractions without proof. I'm sure the other streaming services are on the watch for phony streams, but when was the last time you heard of anybody on UA-cam Music or Tidal or Pandora or Apple Music complaining about being kicked off due to alleged fake streams? Has it even happened much? Yeah, it's mostly Spotify doing the accusing.
    Maybe I've watched too much Curtiss King lately, but I agree with Curtiss that Spotify is the problem. Daniel Ek and his sketchy past and his creeper head. All those fake bands on there since 2016. Stop distributing to Spotify! Abandon the platform. Just STOP. Quit feeding the beast!

  • @poorsillyboy
    @poorsillyboy 3 місяці тому

    You agree not to impersonate anyone 😁 i laughed! So hard! I’m constantly impersonating myself! Constantly being asked am I real!! It’s tiresome!

  • @m.j.mcintear793
    @m.j.mcintear793 6 місяців тому

    It's time to change "having to go through distributors" change that back and you'll change the game when enough people say you're right that is a better game. So what if not every platform gets you. Good, it'll change that streaming game too. All of a sudden they'll want you to have more. Make them battle it out for your place

  • @johnhaight6142
    @johnhaight6142 7 місяців тому

    Unfortunately, I am Canada resident :( how do I know if you are calling me out or not ? Feel free to convince me that I owe you my spending money this month ?

  • @Jgbaileymusic
    @Jgbaileymusic 6 місяців тому

    What a bunch of pirates! What one do you recommend, Krystle?

    • @TopMusicAttorney
      @TopMusicAttorney  6 місяців тому

      Unfortunately, at this time we do not recommend one over another.

  • @erickurd6976
    @erickurd6976 7 місяців тому

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @jthomaskay
    @jthomaskay 2 місяці тому

    Derivative works. Use for AI?

  • @joyti_jmg
    @joyti_jmg 4 місяці тому

    Unfortunately, symphonic is another dropped service for me. After reading this stuff I didn’t put anything with them again.

  • @YohanLofi
    @YohanLofi 7 місяців тому

    i could send you my old pdf agremeent if its matched your one mine said in one of the´part of the text is "As used in this Agreement, the term
    “Royalties” means the revenues actually received by Symphonic from DSPs and other third parties or
    credited to Symphonic against an advance previously received by Symphonic in respect of the Client
    Content, less any fees imposed by DSP’s or other third parties. Subject to the recoupment of all Advances,
    Client will be entitled to 85% of the Royalties actually received by Symphonic from exploitations of
    Client Content hereunder or credited to Symphonic against an advance previously received by Symphonic
    in respect of the Client Content. Client must meet a Royalties-due Threshold of fifty dollars ($50.00 USD)
    as of their last Royalty Statement posting for Client to request payment within the SymphonicMS. The
    Threshold amount is subject to change at any time and Client shall be notified in the SymphonicMS of any
    such change. "
    they are just scamm

  • @genuinefreewilly5706
    @genuinefreewilly5706 7 місяців тому

    The term derivative is pretty broad and nebulous. I am learning these terms. If your cue is whole or in parts found inside a video, that is repurposed derivative work. Ideally I am fine with that as long as I may receive some compensation royalties or some benefit
    My opinion all AI music is purely derivative work. (I would not use any part of an AI generated piece. One will likely get into issues.)
    Likely in all cases music released across streaming platforms is derivative work. You are automatically allowing the distributors to use it in a changed format.
    The only way music and video is deemed non derivative if its hardcopy, vinyl, interactive cd cassette etc...
    I may be wrong and any clarification is welcomed.

  • @BOOMOPERAMUSIC
    @BOOMOPERAMUSIC 6 місяців тому

    Content Gold!!

  • @mahdlomusic2905
    @mahdlomusic2905 3 місяці тому

    Beatles Rain

  • @lesedi3040
    @lesedi3040 7 місяців тому

    I feel like they only mean to small artists,cos this doesn't happen to Laura Marano

  • @xkarmareacts2382
    @xkarmareacts2382 3 місяці тому +1

    So what distributor isn't fraudulent? Why can't anyone answer this...🤣😅💀

  • @mikejezo
    @mikejezo 7 місяців тому +1

    Irrevocable??!!!😂😅 thieves 😅

  • @nigeltdavies
    @nigeltdavies 7 місяців тому +2

    "Symphonic"? Maybe "dissonance" would be more appropriate as a name? 👎

  • @mikejezo
    @mikejezo 7 місяців тому

    So it now apparent that all the sharks have moved from big labels to online distribution deal? Well I guess the only thing left for musicians is create their own distribution system. Like we use have with vinyls and tapes . If a few musicians with money take the task seriously. We can kick all of these sharks out of the water. Or everyone has to sale on his website. 👋

  • @thomascuevas9862
    @thomascuevas9862 7 місяців тому

    Gourmet.

  • @drdestruction1
    @drdestruction1 6 місяців тому +1

    I can safely safe Symphonic are absolutely awful

  • @jaybizzleify
    @jaybizzleify 5 місяців тому

    So basically its a scam

  • @imxlnt2
    @imxlnt2 7 місяців тому +1

    This is why @TomMacDonaldofficial is an independent artist.

  • @PhearNoneGearGadgets
    @PhearNoneGearGadgets 6 місяців тому

    Thanks!

    • @TopMusicAttorney
      @TopMusicAttorney  6 місяців тому

      Thank you so much. I'm glad you found the info useful🙏