Greed is a part of it and that all Toyotas are not made with passion because no longer made in Japan. American workers don't put there heart into building vehicles like in Japan.
Toyota never was what people hyped it up to be- especially the ones not built in Japan. The only difference between Toyota and other manufacturers is that they sat on antiquated drivetrains for years longer than most. I've got two Lexus V8s in my driveway and would never buy a non-Japan built, non-naturally aspirated Lexus/Toyota product at this time.
@@Slythey Yes we too- we have the last 2022 v6 Lexus rx350 made in canada and a 2023 4runner and the lexus 350 in 2023 went turbo 4 and soon 2025 4runner will be turbo 4-we think alike, and there many of us-thanks
🤔..I don’t know if its greed am thinking is because its more like miss management especially since Akio stepped down this is when i noticed a lot of the bull 💩being going on… because for anyone who’s living in the united state knows or should know how Toyota do their thing always slow to change but when they do its always for the best so something really ain’t right because this ain’t Toyota some bull 💩is up
@@UntamedMotors UM…u know they can they’ve been doing it for years reliable & affordable…but the facts still remains money is gonna be the order of the day & am not talking about just Toyota..your a smart guy allll these other manufacturers most of them are still building rubbish vehicles with no damn good resales value…so no man am not giving on on Toyota or Lexus so easily bro..so I guess yall just gonna have to keep on preaching 😂
You nailed it, again. The stock on the lot is a liability they have to move before they can recall it. Simple solution here: DO NOT buy a 3rd Gen Tundra, 4th Gen Tacoma, soon to come 6th Gen 4Runner (and possibly the turbo'ed Land Cruiser and Lexus GX) until Toyota's quality control failure and exhorbitant pricing era have passed. Your money is better spent elsewhere. Everything that made Toyota trucks great (bulletproof reliability, fair pricing, incredible resale) is all gone now.
Thanks man. I truly hope I’m wrong with this but I can’t imagine they magically got it right on the 24s… gotta keep that bottom line as the priority. Smh
You right..years to build & seconds to destroy but you’re still being optimistic because maybe they won’t get ur money now who knows what later may bring..am still a true Toyota & Lexus fan so am still gonna drive one doesn’t matter which.. but am doing the Lexus’s right now because it really ain’t 💩else to drive too much out here 😁
so after talking to the service advisor on Saturday when i was picking up my Sequoia. He was saying that the area Toyota Rep was driving up to dealer when his motor failed on his 24 Tundra and he said it was a main bearing issue . So its true the 24 have issues.
Makes sense that they would, the only just found the cause recently. Theoretically the 25s shouldn't have it, but I think the damage has already been done. Even the lifter failures on the 2020 Super Duties didn't push people away this hard. And Ford finally seems to have gotten a handle on that with the 23s and 24s.
Plenty of examples of 24's with bearing / camshaft failures on the forums. Looking more like the main bearing is overheating, not getting lubricated enough and its rocking causing the camshaft failure. Also the engine girdle has little reinforcement (cheap) and can't handle extra boost of the turbos. This engine is garbage.
finally a non toyota fanboy telling the truth. unfortunately he'll never be invited to those toyota media events anymore....good for him for not selling out.
Yes they generally might mention the issues on the big channels but give it a favorable review saying the issues are isolated and Toyota will have a fix etc... Which is all BS. Toyota has no clue. Because the fix will mean a re design of the main bearing and engine girdle. The brand is sinking.
@@xk302a Talking about the Tundra recall (true) Mentioning Toyota's response about debris in motor (true). Sure he may be speculating that the problem will involve hybrid and also 2024's. But for the most part this channel spends 90 percent of the time on the problems of Yota's new TNGA platform trucks whereas other channels that like to keep their invites with Toyota will have a much softer approach. Maybe mention issue briefly at the end. That's all @tman984 was pointing out which is mostly true.
Yeah a coworker was looking at 23. I told him to just wait. Like honestly if you're going to spend this kind of money on a truck. Make sure it at least has stock steps to get in and out the tailgate. Literally with the tailgate down there's no feasible way to climb. up.
@@JJ_MTB_15 not if the truck was never worth it to begin with. The headlights for example on your standard sr5 and up 3rd gen trims. Start @ 1200 new. For just one side. Keep in mind the 21 TRD dark headlights capped at like 350$ that's almost a 400% mark-up. In 1 year ironically right after COVID. And that's just headlights. The standard ones at that. The TRD pros are like 1500$
Thank you for bravely sharing your candid views. Other vloggers are afraid to say such truths in fear of angering and being unsubscribed from staunchly blind Toyota loyalists in denial.
The 5.7 isn’t perfect either but just make sure to keep up on coolant changes because they can get head gasket leaks if you don’t. But typically that doesn’t happen until they already have 200k on them. These new engines won’t reach 100k consistently unless they go back to the drawing board.
I agree, it’s more than just metal debris in the engine effecting three production years. If this engine has a design flaw, they can’t say it was rigorously tested before production - Toyota quality and customer retention has left the building! Thanks for the great content.
Guaranteed, they want to sell them to unsuspecting customers and then Oh whoops, your truck is now recalled when our 25's arrive, which will also be recalled...
They can't afford to have their three model years under a recall. They won't convince me that the engine mechanics just weren't assembling them properly for two years. Blaming metal shavings for a blown engine seems to be akin to blaming dented bumpers for head on collisions.
I'm mixed on this... if it truly is a defect with the design or assembly, I would have expected to see way more blown engines. This issue, while very serious, has definitely been blown out of proportion. The number of blown engines is very small compared to the number of vehicles sold. The explanation from Toyota seems to be missing some information.
@@prtube1 Because there is a design defect in the main bearing causing it to overheat and rock causing camshaft failures LOL. You expect Toyota will come out with that sort of statement? CEO is telling engineers just fix the problem. Engineers are sweating beads because they don't know how.
You actually think they are going to sell unsafe vehicles? Imagine the possibility of huge law suits if something was to happen. No way Toyota exposes themselves to that. Not only that the recall can’t be that big of a safety issue if the NHSTA hasn’t issued a do not drive order. If Toyota wanted to they did not have to come forward with the recall at all and just kept it buried. I guess that’s the norm now, go down the rabbit hole.
@@vitkobylka6432 LOL. They didn't care about trucks breaking in half from rusted frames with that cheap C channel design. I don't see Frontiers doing that with its fully boxed one. They fought that class action tooth and nail. They ended with a 3.4 billion settlement to replace frames. Don't kid yourself they all do what they can to mitigate losses. Also when you look at the facts Toyota is not being transparent. Many reports of main bearing failure/camshafts blowing up on 2024's. You can bet they know about those as they are in service bays. Yet the story saying debris left in engine on 22's and 23's. Many dealers have these stacked on the lots. If they recall those there would be a stop sell across the board. I don't see Toyota taking that much of a hit with their dealers and reputation. Its mitigation at play with their legal department. Toyota will lose all if this ends up being a design defect. Which I feel it is after looking at the tear downs on how they made this motor.
I think back and chuckle at all the hype over twin turbos in a gas truck. Channels like TFL doing pickup drag races like that’s a thing. Guys buying a pickup truck thinking they’re running the Nürburgring! 😂 \/8 for the win! 💪😎
I was looking at new Frontiers and Tacomas recently and was leaning towards the Frontier because I always liked the older ones. I ended up finding a great deal on a D40 Frontier and I paid cash, no interest, no extra fees. I had to put about 500 bucks and 20 hours of my time cleaning it up and repairing a few small things but that's a small price to pay for a nice, reliable, old school truck that doesn't need thousands of dollars in specialized equipment to maintain it. I paid 1/5th of the price of a discounted 2024 Frontier P4X and 1/6th the price of a similar 24 Tacoma. It was a no brainer.
Machinist and quality control by day here, and built many engines in my time as well…… debris in the engine doesn’t just make the main bearing go bad. It would also wipe out the rest of the engine. I believe you’re correct in saying they just have faulty bearings. My .02¢
Man it would have to be a ton of debris left in there the oil filter would get a lot of them out I don't believe that for one second it's a bad design or bearings or both
Toyota has done tremendous damage to its brand. What took decades to build, has been undone in a matter of months (because with social media this stuff spreads like wildfire). IMHO, it will take years to rebuild.
I can’t believe how long it took Toyota to release the new tundra and they still couldn’t even get it right really sad what’s happening with the tundra I’m definitely keeping my 2019 limited don’t want anything to do with the new tundra
They worked with Ford on some of the ecoboost tech. But their engines are so under built in comparison. The engine girdle is weak with little reinforcement like the ecoboost are. Main bearing design is a disaster. Overheats and rocks causing the camshaft to blow up. This is embarrassing for yota.
??? I don't understand why this channel and everyone else doesn't understand that Toyota didn't raise prices.... If you voted for Joe Biden YOU raised prices. By ~30%. Its amazing that people see their grocery bills and know it's up by 30% but don't think trucks should be? All the raw materials are up by astronomical amounts, but you expect Toyota to keep down around 50,000 for a truck? The other companies are the same. The domestics are in the same price ranges....
They will lie there ass off will not offer a warranty and 6 months after you buy it motor will expire and you will stuck with a expensive POS truck you can even Drive
It's obvious that the 2024 is being waited on for more sales, as you can see, I totally agree with you. I'm so glad that I purchased my 2018 Tundra TRD-Off Road 4X4 double cab, and I will hold on to this truck until the wheels fall off and when I can't drive anymore, my young boys will take over for as long as parts will be available
AGREE. Toyota has already been caught recently for falsifying safety tests. There is tremendous incentive not to come clean, given the flawed engines are in many of their best-selling models. They should have offered customers a choice of Turbo or NA, and let the buyers decide.
@@UntamedMotors Offering customers a choice of engine would not only have expanded the appeal of their trucks/SUvs, but also mitigated the risk of any one new design failing. I am sure Toyota would argue it would have increased costs, but c'mon, Toyota is already a premium priced brand and we know shifting more production to Mexico reduces costs (that ostensibly have not been passed along to consumers).
Imagine knowingly selling potentially flawed vehicles to customers, b/c all you care about are profits and sales figures. To me, it should be criminal fraud.
I’m at the dealership right now with my Tundra TRD. They just offered 0% financing with 7500 off MSRP! No thank you. Just change the oil in my beast and I’ll be on my way.
I bought mine in April .I won't settle unless It's new complete engine. 5.7 unreliable in the beginning and they got those fixed with new complete engines. It just doesn't seem that they did full on-road testing if it's not the debris and it's in the bottom end. The thing is if any debris could get up in the heads up near the turbos you can't just replace the block and put the old parts back on. That's just asking for the engine to blow up again. They did hire 350 new people in the Alabama plant. Anything less than a new complete engine will devalue my vehicle
I agree. I'm in the market to buy a truck soon for cash but I'm scared of the prices. I'm looking at mid size trucks. All I hear is problems with engines and transmissions and electrical. Don't know what mid size truck to buy. Way too expensive for all of them.
I am still not convinced that the left over shavings (or metal debris) are causing the Tundra engines to break down. Not that it is not possible, but I doubt that they did not catch that during a quality control check. There were similar reporting failures with the Lexus LS500, so maybe the cause of the engine failures is not what Toyota says. In my opinion, people are buying Toyota vehicles mostly because of their reputation for reliability, building long lasting vehicles, and having higher resale values. The issue with the new Tundra is, even if they fix the issue with this new engine, that truck will never hold its value as the old Tundra did. Just look at the engine bay and see how inaccessible it is to work on. Would you buy such a truck knowing that some simple fixes will require costly repairs like separating the cab from the frame or pulling a lot of parts in order to have an access? No one is talking about that right now. Let see what will happen when turbos start burning and owners end up paying thousands of dollars. I think that will be very detrimental.
Very difficult to impossible to get out of a 22 right now. Many dealers will not touch these without a fix. Saw another UA-cam video that said the first bearing failure was March or April in 22. Completely agree with the 24s not being in the recall. They would not sell. I am sitting on my 22 Tundra now until I see what type of fix they are going to do.
@@livefreeandshred9818even at 20k it's a GIANT risk. no way I'd pay 10k for a used one. Once the trust is gone the value of the vehicle goes out the door as well. Toyota needs to apologize and change to the way things were.
Pure insanity. Reading about all the owners that are stuck with a Tundra that they can’t trade in is just incredible. Suddenly your practice of selling / trading your Toyotas every 30-60 days looks brilliant!
They just aren't the same. Even in looks. They always had a laid back but pronounced look to them. You knew one when you see one. Now everty time I see a new Tundra I have to look twice.
It is easier blaming engine debris so it can be workers problem or procedural issue. If that was a design issue… it will be a disaster. This doesn’t stop here, depend on how they approach this issue, they will loose or regain trust. Do you remember, Tacoma 2nd gen frame issue? It is crazy Toyota replaced them with new frame. And that was far more effective advertisement than billions of dollars spending on TV commercial.
I just bought a 2022. I honestly dont' care because it is toyota. I have had noting but great experiences with toyota and I'm about to get a new engine. Plus i'm covered for my transmission and engine for life.
How is that even legal?? From the date of the recall on the 22-23 model years if there is a paper trail within Toyota that the 24’s are technically part of it but we don’t want to include them because they are stacking up on dealer lots. I’d see the government getting involved on this and a big class action lawsuit potentially. If I was buying a 24’ tomorrow I’d want the dealership to put in writing they will buy the truck back at my purchase price if it gets added to the recall. That will show ya what they really think internally about the 24 model year 😂
I believe its the block it self is not braced enough to handle the additional weight of the trucks and SUVS. They work fine in the cars and smaller SUVs cause they are designed originally for them. Ford had to add more material to the 2.7-3.5 turbo 6's for rigidity. The blocks are twisting under loads causing the crank bearings to shift and change the oiling holes locations. This will starve the bearings from getting adequate oil supply. The Ram 1500 hurricane 3.0 is having issues as well. Cost cutting is harming all vehicle manufacturers now for higher profits.
🔥 How Expensive and how Difficult would it be for Toyota to go Back to the V8 and V6 and Make them in the USA 🇺🇸… Given their Global Facilities? Hmmm 🤔
They would have to re-to all of their factories, set up the vendor distribution again, etc. it would be billions of dollars it’s not going to happen. As much as we’d like to. I don’t understand what the problem is just buying an old truck and literally rebuilding it from the ground up would cost you, less than half of these trucks, including a Tesla style pad stereo and anything else you wanted if you’re into that kind of stuff. Screw these new vehicles let them rot
I’m not convinced this is not a design problem. And if all the engines are off the same line how is the hybrid plugging in in-line with engine how is that going to change the debris in the engine?
I purchased my Tundra SR5 the 2023 version by the end of 2022. I checked on the NHTSA (just inserted the VIN#) and I had bad luck, it is one of them being recalled. I put on it already 29500 miles and no issue so far. I am wondering if I dodged the bullet because when I got the Tundra after 1000 miles I changed the oil, and at the 5000 miles I changed again. Then I put a magnetic screw at the oil pen. At the 10000 miles interval I checked the screw and there weren't attached any machining debris to it. I am changing the oil every 5000 miles and do not see any debris being attached to the screw. I do not know if the machining debris causing the recall would be in the oil or not, if they would be I hope I flushed them out with the first two oil changes. Please, someone with knowledge of the issue give your opinion if it was possible for me to dodge the bullet with what I did, or the machining debris contamination would be somewhere else and would not find them in the oil. Tanks in an advance.
I still highly doubt that this a “debris” issue. It has to be a manufacturing fail, IMO. Thinking maybe the way the front bearing is casted, or possibly lubrication. Just “debris” would be too easy of a fix.
The stated reason was a manufacturing problem, but in realty there is a design error which cannot be fixed unless a new engine is designed. What do you expect from a company that admitted submitting false crash test data to the government?
There are so many opinions on this that I don't know what to think. I can't see where Toyota can get away with it ethically to not disclose engine debris (if they know about it) in the 2024 Tundras. Having done the research over the past month, I think Toyota's story on the recall might be legit. These bearings are oil fed on a parallel circuit, so the damage being confined to the main bearing is plausible. Knock on wood, but absolutely no issues so far with my late 2023 at 10K miles. I totally get the emotionally driven reactions people are having on this issue. But to put it in perspective only about 900 units have actually failed (about 1%). For now, I'm going to take a deep breath and see what happens. I can't blame anyone who begs to differ.
I am taking my 19 Tundra TRD PRO is for oil change service tomorrow. I know my dealership service manager very well, like he used to be my neighbor. I guarantee they will try to get me into a new Tundra, just like the last time. Lmao, I will enjoy walking the lot and looking at all the "unsold" trucks, Tundra's and Tacoma's. I already know they have a 2024 Tacoma TRD Off Road there priced at $61K. Are you kidding me? What has become of my favorite brand? I am ashamed of Toyota these days. Bet your ass I will be driving back home in my 19 Tundra TRD PRO. And yes, I appreciate your videos.
Agree 100%. If they recall the 2024, dealers would be stuck with 1000’s of unsellable trucks. I live in Texas and am seeing dealer lots full of tundras that are already not selling.
Good video, gotta’ agree with everything you’re saying. Sure glad I chose two ‘24 Ford F150 XLs with the 5.0 litre V8 and not the Tundra. Getting added to the business fleet.
I tried to get into a decent gen 2 tundra but the prices were insane so I picked up an SR5 TRD off Road for $4,500 below MSRP. I was told that a date code from July 2024 or later means it has a different engine block than the 2023's. We'll see, lol.
What if this is a design defect? I'm not impressed with the tear down on the engine girdle. Its not reinforced like Ford's 2.7 or GM's 2.7. IMO the main bearing is getting too hot causing it to rock causing camshaft failures. Even with large discounts who wants this headache? They cheaped out on this engine. Like the Tacoma its under built. The taco has a weak rear diff. They had to "de tune" the manual shift models because they did not feel it would handle hard shifting and dropping the right pedal etc.. Many MT failures now. And when towing loads the rear diff is overheating. All indicators that the truck is under built. Cheaper parts, cheaper labor, with bad designs along with bigger price. That would be a hard no. Toyota is doing the voluntary recall because they know if left to NHTSA they will probably order a stop sell across the board. Which IMO, is what needs to happen.
Toyota has a design flaws in the one piece main cap. The metal debris that is found in the bottom end of the engine are from the barons itself. What’s happening is the one piece main cap is flexing due to the turbo force that is applied to the connecting rod and to the crankshaft.
I just love it when we have youtubers like him to think he has the crystal ball on Toyotas engineering and business model. It is absolutely fascinating!
I’m dubious about the debris explanation vs design defect. I suspect Toyota is looking to their insurer to cover the majority of these warranty claims. Without knowing more, I’d surmise that if the flaw is a design defect (unreasonable strain on bearings that causes failure) as opposed to failing to clean out engine debris during assembly, the insurance policies could exclude the former. Let’s see additional information comes to light….
2024 is experiencing the issue as well. If it was the debris issue and was resolved on the timeline they claim, then the 2024 would not be experiencing the issue. But we all know that there are 2024 trucks that are getting engines replaced for the issue.
When I worked for toyota here in alberta.. if there was a safety recall on a vehicle that hadn't been sold, it was a stop sale.. until it was fixed... We had several units that were sold but we held them for up to 6 weeks while the recall was developed & the fix implemented.. From what I see, the recall is for 22-23 units... don't you think it's possible that they found the issue before the 24 was released & "cleared" the debris in the production line?? It is actual law that dealerships must fix recalls before selling a unit (used or new) Keep in mind that toyota does more recalls cause they care about their customer base.. The old recall when unintended acceleration came about involved a gas pedal modification.. Did Pontiac recall the Vibe for that??? NOOO.. strange cause it had the exact same gas pedal in it. The real reason for those unintended accels was 99% of the time multiple floor mats that jammed up the gas pedal or brake pedal.. As for the bells & whistles... every manufacturer is doing it.. it's what the new drivers want... I wish they didn' t have it. As far as I'm concerned, toyota is slower to bring those bells & whistles to market.
I still trust Toyota. When the last generation Tundra started, they had similar issues, and they built the reliability over years. The same is going to happen with this Tundra. Their going to get all the kinks out in the first year's once the processed is streamlined. I was going to buy a Tundra and most likely still will once prices go down. They price me out of their SR5, and I have had 2 SR5 Tundras before. I think Toyota probably would lower the SR5 and limited prices to get them off the lots. An SR5 should not cost over 50K, and some are 65K because of dealers wanting profit. There are small percentage of engines that are affected, but Toyota is cautious with the recalls and probably waits to an issue if any pop up in a 24. The Sequoia isn't being recalled, and some lexus models with the same engine. It's not all doom and gloom. I trust Toyota more than Ford, GM, and Ram. RAM even had to lower prices, but they have their own issues with their sinking ship.
A lot of my friends told me that this issue was intentionally sabotage, probably people from the new assembly location was bribed to cause this issue. Because this was I believed never happened on their Japan Factory. Engine before assembly should be be flushed and washed with pressurize water to make sure no metal remnants and debris stays on the engine, then the installation of components will follows. But on this case it's like the engines never went to the flushing phase at all.
The Ford F150 line up shows otherwise, while some of the early EcoBoost Motors had their issues, more buyers prefer the V6 Twin Turbo over the NA 5.0L V8 from a sales point of view, nothing wrong with the new Tundra Platform, Toyota screwed up the launch, not the architecture.
Swapping out the engines... doesn't that cross a threshold for repairs required before sale which will turn them into used vehicles? Problems, problems. LOL!
One of your competitors is making videos denying Toyota is having a problem. I even challenged his view about the Tundra right before the recall. I said, and it continues to be my opinion, that the 2024's weren't included because Toyota wants to unload as many as possible before they are included in the recall. Toyota has a long history of lying & denying there are problems until it is so widespread, it can no longer be denied. I had one of the bad V6 head gaskets back in the 1990's. The denied there was an issue with them. I ended up paying for new head gaskets, but when they finally "admitted" there was a problem, I was denied reimbursement because my VIN was "Out of range" for their defect.
Thanks for sharing that man. That’s ridiculous you couldn’t get reimbursed for that back in the 90s… insane. Toyota is definitely selling off as many 24s as they can before looping it into the recall. We are seeing so many 24 owners bump into the same issues.
Toyota has been down this road before. They had a class action lawsuit for oil consumption for certain models from 2006-2011. It all depends on what they do to fix this issue. My hope is that they will correct course and continue putting out quality, reliable vehicles.
As someone who has worked for Toyota for the last 13+ years...everything in this video is a sad fact. Same is/will be true for the Tacoma and soon to be 4Runner. I just bought a '24 TRD PRO 4Runner...last of the dinosaurs...for this exact reason. Get them while you can...Toyota is in trouble and they have no one to blame but themselves.
I have a 2017-1794 looks like new was considering purchasing a new 2024 but after much research I have decided to keep my 2017. Would like something new but now I don’t know what to get 😢. Will probably get wife a new Toyota rav4 I’ll start driving her older one and park my tundra and keep miles down.
I absolutely think u r correct. Toyota don't want to include 2024 yet because they can't sell a recall vehicle. So toyota wants to sell it first and do recall later.
The debris is not the only issue. There is an inherent design flaw in the lower block. Toyota is not telling us everything
I’m by far, not an expert, but I suspect a design flaw would have far more failures not just one percent
Nope they ain't they dropped the ball on these engines there ticking time bombs
Yeah there has got to be more to this… which is a shame. =\
They already have more than a few 2022 Tundras that has made it over 100,000 miles already without issues
@@korbekleeninc.974 sounds like you’re defending a purchase. 🤔
AGREED. If there is NO fix YET, how can 2024s NOT be affected. Just pure GREED. Toyota knows they are AFFECTED.
2024 is affected. Plenty of buyers quickly found out the hard way. Toyota is avoiding a stop sale at the risk of losing customers forever.
Bingo!
Greed is a part of it and that all Toyotas are not made with passion because no longer made in Japan. American workers don't put there heart into building vehicles like in Japan.
@@raydevil-316The Lexus engines made in Japan are part of the recall.
They likely recalled the 100k for now cause they can’t deal with recalling all of them at once.
Your right untamed! Toyota is no longer the Toyota we once knew.
It’s a shame… think it’s too late for them to change their ways.
I learned that with my 2020 Camry. It was the worst new car I've had. Toyota's fall started with the 2018 Camry.
Toyota never was what people hyped it up to be- especially the ones not built in Japan. The only difference between Toyota and other manufacturers is that they sat on antiquated drivetrains for years longer than most. I've got two Lexus V8s in my driveway and would never buy a non-Japan built, non-naturally aspirated Lexus/Toyota product at this time.
@@Slythey Yes we too- we have the last 2022 v6 Lexus rx350 made in canada and a 2023 4runner and the lexus 350 in 2023 went turbo 4 and soon 2025 4runner will be turbo 4-we think alike, and there many of us-thanks
@@Jojo-ni2cg hang on to those!
It saddens me to see greatness disappear slowly, surely in the name of greed and other purposes.
I wouldn't call it slowly.
Slowly?
🤔..I don’t know if its greed am thinking is because its more like miss management especially since Akio stepped down this is when i noticed a lot of the bull 💩being going on… because for anyone who’s living in the united state knows or should know how Toyota do their thing always slow to change but when they do its always for the best so something really ain’t right because this ain’t Toyota some bull 💩is up
Letting the mighty dollar drive their decisions… what happened to just building simple, reliable affordable vehicles?
@@UntamedMotors UM…u know they can they’ve been doing it for years reliable & affordable…but the facts still remains money is gonna be the order of the day & am not talking about just Toyota..your a smart guy allll these other manufacturers most of them are still building rubbish vehicles with no damn good resales value…so no man am not giving on on Toyota or Lexus so easily bro..so I guess yall just gonna have to keep on preaching 😂
You nailed it, again. The stock on the lot is a liability they have to move before they can recall it. Simple solution here: DO NOT buy a 3rd Gen Tundra, 4th Gen Tacoma, soon to come 6th Gen 4Runner (and possibly the turbo'ed Land Cruiser and Lexus GX) until Toyota's quality control failure and exhorbitant pricing era have passed. Your money is better spent elsewhere. Everything that made Toyota trucks great (bulletproof reliability, fair pricing, incredible resale) is all gone now.
I had a feeling watching the shift to turbos so I bought a new 5th gen 4Runner. Hope I missed the cabal…
@@steveambrose2349 You bought the last great Toyota truck.
Thanks man. I truly hope I’m wrong with this but I can’t imagine they magically got it right on the 24s… gotta keep that bottom line as the priority. Smh
Don't even buy the highlander 23 with a turbo lmao V6 was better even the V8 on the old highlander.
My 4th gen taco is a badass truck.
Years to build a reputation, seconds to destroy it. I still love Toyota, they just wont get new $ from me. Don't sell your Tundra.
Moving Tacoma production to Mexico did it for me. 👎🏾
See ya Toyota.
You right..years to build & seconds to destroy but you’re still being optimistic because maybe they won’t get ur money now who knows what later may bring..am still a true Toyota & Lexus fan so am still gonna drive one doesn’t matter which.. but am doing the Lexus’s right now because it really ain’t 💩else to drive too much out here 😁
I was wanting to buy 2024 1794 i have had 2tacos and 1 1794 tundra I loved them but I can’t buy a new one with insane prices and a broken V6 🤦♂️
I'm still buying a Toyota... the Camry
@@Slots007 I have a RX350 now V6 NA luv it ..but I think am gonna get my GX 460 back a 19 with that V8 & hold on to it for a while 😁
so after talking to the service advisor on Saturday when i was picking up my Sequoia. He was saying that the area Toyota Rep was driving up to dealer when his motor failed on his 24 Tundra and he said it was a main bearing issue . So its true the 24 have issues.
Makes sense that they would, the only just found the cause recently.
Theoretically the 25s shouldn't have it, but I think the damage has already been done. Even the lifter failures on the 2020 Super Duties didn't push people away this hard. And Ford finally seems to have gotten a handle on that with the 23s and 24s.
It's already been documented in the forums that 24s have been failing.
Plenty of examples of 24's with bearing / camshaft failures on the forums. Looking more like the main bearing is overheating, not getting lubricated enough and its rocking causing the camshaft failure. Also the engine girdle has little reinforcement (cheap) and can't handle extra boost of the turbos. This engine is garbage.
Used to want to buy a Toyota. Can't see myself in one anymore thanks to their greed
Same
Same :/
Facts. I have 2 and was waiting on the model, only to be disappointed in the outrageous prices
Same here i walk out after they want 10k over msrp on a LC
Yeah go buy a ford or chevy...they've never been greedy SMH.
finally a non toyota fanboy telling the truth. unfortunately he'll never be invited to those toyota media events anymore....good for him for not selling out.
Yes they generally might mention the issues on the big channels but give it a favorable review saying the issues are isolated and Toyota will have a fix etc... Which is all BS. Toyota has no clue. Because the fix will mean a re design of the main bearing and engine girdle. The brand is sinking.
@@xk302a Talking about the Tundra recall (true) Mentioning Toyota's response about debris in motor (true). Sure he may be speculating that the problem will involve hybrid and also 2024's. But for the most part this channel spends 90 percent of the time on the problems of Yota's new TNGA platform trucks whereas other channels that like to keep their invites with Toyota will have a much softer approach. Maybe mention issue briefly at the end. That's all @tman984 was pointing out which is mostly true.
You would have to be a fool to buy a 24 Tundra right now.
Yeah a coworker was looking at 23. I told him to just wait. Like honestly if you're going to spend this kind of money on a truck. Make sure it at least has stock steps to get in and out the tailgate. Literally with the tailgate down there's no feasible way to climb. up.
Well at 0% - 1.99% interest and thousands off msrp you could also argue it’s a good time to buy one
@@JJ_MTB_15 not if the truck was never worth it to begin with. The headlights for example on your standard sr5 and up 3rd gen trims. Start @ 1200 new. For just one side. Keep in mind the 21 TRD dark headlights capped at like 350$ that's almost a 400% mark-up. In 1 year ironically right after COVID. And that's just headlights. The standard ones at that. The TRD pros are like 1500$
@@JJ_MTB_15
Go for it. Just remember that as you’re on your vacation and the motor lets loose!!
I would of they swap engines to ones that don't blow up 😂
You can buy one today, go back to the dealer tomorrow to trade it in, and they don't want it back. That tells you everything you need to know.
my neighbor just traded his 23 in. No issues with that.
Regardless your neighbor took a loss some shape or form. He cut losses which was smart.@@EKAutoTech
@@EKAutoTechif the vehicle is experiencing the failure currently under recall you can’t trade it in to the dealership until problem is fixed.
@@jthartman9639 that sounds right. Who the hell would buy one with spun main bearings.
@@EKAutoTechdid it have the 5.7 V8 in it 😂 the v6 is a ticking time bomb
Thank you for bravely sharing your candid views. Other vloggers are afraid to say such truths in fear of angering and being unsubscribed from staunchly blind Toyota loyalists in denial.
I'm keeping my 2019. Long live the 5.7
Amen to that. Good choice man!
The 5.7 isn’t perfect either but just make sure to keep up on coolant changes because they can get head gasket leaks if you don’t. But typically that doesn’t happen until they already have 200k on them. These new engines won’t reach 100k consistently unless they go back to the drawing board.
I agree with you 100%! Love honest content that’s not polluted with sponsorship dollars! Keep it up bro! I’m with you. God bless!
Untamed motors for the win! Love the content
Thanks a ton man, really appreciate your support!
I agree, it’s more than just metal debris in the engine effecting three production years. If this engine has a design flaw, they can’t say it was rigorously tested before production - Toyota quality and customer retention has left the building! Thanks for the great content.
Also the two plants oceans apart were having the same debris issues during assembly. Nope I don't buy it.
I agree 100% they built this motor cranked it up then and mass produced it and sent it to the public
Guaranteed, they want to sell them to unsuspecting customers and then Oh whoops, your truck is now recalled when our 25's arrive, which will also be recalled...
Yep that will for sure happen… which is a total shame. =\
You are killing it dude
Thanks brother. Appreciate your support! I really do.
They can't afford to have their three model years under a recall.
They won't convince me that the engine mechanics just weren't assembling them properly for two years. Blaming metal shavings for a blown engine seems to be akin to blaming dented bumpers for head on collisions.
I'm mixed on this... if it truly is a defect with the design or assembly, I would have expected to see way more blown engines. This issue, while very serious, has definitely been blown out of proportion. The number of blown engines is very small compared to the number of vehicles sold. The explanation from Toyota seems to be missing some information.
And I wonder why they don’t come clean and explain it all clearly?
@@prtube1 Because there is a design defect in the main bearing causing it to overheat and rock causing camshaft failures LOL. You expect Toyota will come out with that sort of statement? CEO is telling engineers just fix the problem. Engineers are sweating beads because they don't know how.
You actually think they are going to sell unsafe vehicles? Imagine the possibility of huge law suits if something was to happen. No way Toyota exposes themselves to that. Not only that the recall can’t be that big of a safety issue if the NHSTA hasn’t issued a do not drive order. If Toyota wanted to they did not have to come forward with the recall at all and just kept it buried. I guess that’s the norm now, go down the rabbit hole.
@@vitkobylka6432 LOL. They didn't care about trucks breaking in half from rusted frames with that cheap C channel design. I don't see Frontiers doing that with its fully boxed one. They fought that class action tooth and nail. They ended with a 3.4 billion settlement to replace frames. Don't kid yourself they all do what they can to mitigate losses. Also when you look at the facts Toyota is not being transparent. Many reports of main bearing failure/camshafts blowing up on 2024's. You can bet they know about those as they are in service bays. Yet the story saying debris left in engine on 22's and 23's. Many dealers have these stacked on the lots. If they recall those there would be a stop sell across the board. I don't see Toyota taking that much of a hit with their dealers and reputation. Its mitigation at play with their legal department. Toyota will lose all if this ends up being a design defect. Which I feel it is after looking at the tear downs on how they made this motor.
I think back and chuckle at all the hype over twin turbos in a gas truck. Channels like TFL doing pickup drag races like that’s a thing. Guys buying a pickup truck thinking they’re running the Nürburgring! 😂
\/8 for the win! 💪😎
Who would buy one of these now?!!
The fan boys, who else is going to believe the 24’s are not affected? 😅
People that don't know of the problems.
Some unsuspecting customers who hadn’t done any research. They’ll just see the amazing interest rates and $7-10K off and jump on it.
I didn’t know of the problems right away and was led to believe the 24s were safe. Bought a 24 not knowing. Love the truck but am worried.
I would buy one for 100 bucks to practice mechanical work on
This guy is the best. Love his style and focus and knowledge of the industry. Looks out for the regular guy.
Really appreciate the kind words, Kurt! Thank you. 🙏
I was looking at new Frontiers and Tacomas recently and was leaning towards the Frontier because I always liked the older ones. I ended up finding a great deal on a D40 Frontier and I paid cash, no interest, no extra fees. I had to put about 500 bucks and 20 hours of my time cleaning it up and repairing a few small things but that's a small price to pay for a nice, reliable, old school truck that doesn't need thousands of dollars in specialized equipment to maintain it. I paid 1/5th of the price of a discounted 2024 Frontier P4X and 1/6th the price of a similar 24 Tacoma. It was a no brainer.
Machinist and quality control by day here, and built many engines in my time as well…… debris in the engine doesn’t just make the main bearing go bad. It would also wipe out the rest of the engine. I believe you’re correct in saying they just have faulty bearings. My .02¢
1000% agree, but some people don’t have common sense. What a coincidence that every damage affects just the main bearing? Bruh!
Man it would have to be a ton of debris left in there the oil filter would get a lot of them out I don't believe that for one second it's a bad design or bearings or both
DEBRIS my azz..
They screwed up designing the engine and thought they can get away... now they r gona lose billion😅
Yeah I’m not buying it either… scapegoat for sure.
Bet they wish they'd kept the V8
Yep Toyota is blaming it all on manufacturing. I don’t buy it either.
Toyota has done tremendous damage to its brand. What took decades to build, has been undone in a matter of months (because with social media this stuff spreads like wildfire). IMHO, it will take years to rebuild.
Years, lower prices, less shitty dealers, etc.
It will never rebuild. We’re going to collapse long before this happens.
Yeah this will be a tough one to bounce back from. Agreed… =\
I’m looking into buying a new truck but can’t do a Toyota anymore. Any recommendations?
Titan if you can find one at a Nissan dealer. Ford f-150 still has a v8 too.
The Titan would be my secondary pick… followed by a Raptor.
@@UntamedMotors titan is just so ugly in my opinion but I know it’s reliable
try a junk yard and look for a real man's truck, from the 1970s
I can’t believe how long it took Toyota to release the new tundra and they still couldn’t even get it right really sad what’s happening with the tundra I’m definitely keeping my 2019 limited don’t want anything to do with the new tundra
I agree, it took them forever to redesign and put it out. Seems like their main goals were met though: EPA, ESG, carbon credits and profits 💰.
They worked with Ford on some of the ecoboost tech. But their engines are so under built in comparison. The engine girdle is weak with little reinforcement like the ecoboost are. Main bearing design is a disaster. Overheats and rocks causing the camshaft to blow up. This is embarrassing for yota.
Yeah I agree. Remember when they referred to it as the “world beater” as it was coming out? 😬 that didn’t age well did it!? lol
Good luck selling them off at those MSRPs with these greedy dealers!
??? I don't understand why this channel and everyone else doesn't understand that Toyota didn't raise prices.... If you voted for Joe Biden YOU raised prices. By ~30%. Its amazing that people see their grocery bills and know it's up by 30% but don't think trucks should be? All the raw materials are up by astronomical amounts, but you expect Toyota to keep down around 50,000 for a truck? The other companies are the same. The domestics are in the same price ranges....
They will lie there ass off will not offer a warranty and 6 months after you buy it motor will expire and you will stuck with a expensive POS truck you can even Drive
Yeah their MSRPs have just gotten out of control. Doesn’t give an ideal starting point for the price. =\
It's obvious that the 2024 is being waited on for more sales, as you can see, I totally agree with you. I'm so glad that I purchased my 2018 Tundra TRD-Off Road 4X4 double cab, and I will hold on to this truck until the wheels fall off and when I can't drive anymore, my young boys will take over for as long as parts will be available
Toyota is now the Disney of car companies.
Go woke. Go broke. Smh…
Apple too
Thx for this video. I agree! I sold my 2024 tundra 1794 yesterday and had to fight for $53k.
AGREE. Toyota has already been caught recently for falsifying safety tests. There is tremendous incentive not to come clean, given the flawed engines are in many of their best-selling models. They should have offered customers a choice of Turbo or NA, and let the buyers decide.
EXACTLY
I agree. Imagine if people could have chosen a 5.7L V8 or the twin turbo V6? That would have gone over much better. 💯
@@UntamedMotors Offering customers a choice of engine would not only have expanded the appeal of their trucks/SUvs, but also mitigated the risk of any one new design failing. I am sure Toyota would argue it would have increased costs, but c'mon, Toyota is already a premium priced brand and we know shifting more production to Mexico reduces costs (that ostensibly have not been passed along to consumers).
Imagine knowingly selling potentially flawed vehicles to customers, b/c all you care about are profits and sales figures. To me, it should be criminal fraud.
I’m at the dealership right now with my Tundra TRD. They just offered 0% financing with 7500 off MSRP! No thank you. Just change the oil in my beast and I’ll be on my way.
they tried making you trade it in? 😭😭😭😭😭 i just went for a maintenance rn and they trying to get me to trade in my 21 sr5 😭😭
Nailed it
I appreciate your unfiltered honesty in your videos
I bought mine in April .I won't settle unless It's new complete engine.
5.7 unreliable in the beginning and they got those fixed with new complete engines.
It just doesn't seem that they did full on-road testing if it's not the debris and it's in the bottom end. The thing is if any debris could get up in the heads up near the turbos you can't just replace the block and put the old parts back on. That's just asking for the engine to blow up again. They did hire 350 new people in the Alabama plant. Anything less than a new complete engine will devalue my vehicle
I agree. I'm in the market to buy a truck soon for cash but I'm scared of the prices. I'm looking at mid size trucks. All I hear is problems with engines and transmissions and electrical. Don't know what mid size truck to buy. Way too expensive for all of them.
@@planeaddiction2560 I’d lean toward a Nissan Frontier PRO4X if I was in the market for a midsize pickup.
go to a vintage junk yard and buy a for real truck from the 1970s and fix it up
I am still not convinced that the left over shavings (or metal debris) are causing the Tundra engines to break down. Not that it is not possible, but I doubt that they did not catch that during a quality control check. There were similar reporting failures with the Lexus LS500, so maybe the cause of the engine failures is not what Toyota says.
In my opinion, people are buying Toyota vehicles mostly because of their reputation for reliability, building long lasting vehicles, and having higher resale values. The issue with the new Tundra is, even if they fix the issue with this new engine, that truck will never hold its value as the old Tundra did. Just look at the engine bay and see how inaccessible it is to work on. Would you buy such a truck knowing that some simple fixes will require costly repairs like separating the cab from the frame or pulling a lot of parts in order to have an access?
No one is talking about that right now. Let see what will happen when turbos start burning and owners end up paying thousands of dollars. I think that will be very detrimental.
Very difficult to impossible to get out of a 22 right now. Many dealers will not touch these without a fix. Saw another UA-cam video that said the first bearing failure was March or April in 22. Completely agree with the 24s not being in the recall. They would not sell. I am sitting on my 22 Tundra now until I see what type of fix they are going to do.
Agree with your take on this
Still unsellable to anyone paying attention. 50%+ loss in value as soon as it leaves the lot.
Maybe I can scoop one up for $20k 😂
Show me a used Tundra selling for 50% of new...pffft, what a stupid comment.
@@livefreeandshred9818 lol true but I wouldn’t buy one for 20k knowing 5 years or so later if my motor fails it cost 32k to fix
@@livefreeandshred9818even at 20k it's a GIANT risk. no way I'd pay 10k for a used one. Once the trust is gone the value of the vehicle goes out the door as well.
Toyota needs to apologize and change to the way things were.
That makes total sense to me. And there has already been reports of 2024s with the same issue.
Pure insanity. Reading about all the owners that are stuck with a Tundra that they can’t trade in is just incredible. Suddenly your practice of selling / trading your Toyotas every 30-60 days looks brilliant!
They are depreciating HARD as well on the used market.
They just aren't the same. Even in looks. They always had a laid back but pronounced look to them. You knew one when you see one. Now everty time I see a new Tundra I have to look twice.
Agreed. They’ve just become too bland overall. Too understated and not special enough.
It is easier blaming engine debris so it can be workers problem or procedural issue. If that was a design issue… it will be a disaster. This doesn’t stop here, depend on how they approach this issue, they will loose or regain trust. Do you remember, Tacoma 2nd gen frame issue? It is crazy Toyota replaced them with new frame. And that was far more effective advertisement than billions of dollars spending on TV commercial.
There was a time when Toyota wouldn't dream of being involved in these types of shenanigans.
Bingo
Agreed. Now they’re leading the charge on them… it’s a shame. =\
Finally, someone is saying it.
Are the hybrid engines being recalled also?
I just bought a 2022. I honestly dont' care because it is toyota. I have had noting but great experiences with toyota and I'm about to get a new engine. Plus i'm covered for my transmission and engine for life.
@@jmard24 awesome man. Can’t beat that 👌 congrats!
How is that even legal?? From the date of the recall on the 22-23 model years if there is a paper trail within Toyota that the 24’s are technically part of it but we don’t want to include them because they are stacking up on dealer lots. I’d see the government getting involved on this and a big class action lawsuit potentially.
If I was buying a 24’ tomorrow I’d want the dealership to put in writing they will buy the truck back at my purchase price if it gets added to the recall. That will show ya what they really think internally about the 24 model year 😂
I agree with your statement
I believe its the block it self is not braced enough to handle the additional weight of the trucks and SUVS. They work fine in the cars and smaller SUVs cause they are designed originally for them. Ford had to add more material to the 2.7-3.5 turbo 6's for rigidity. The blocks are twisting under loads causing the crank bearings to shift and change the oiling holes locations. This will starve the bearings from getting adequate oil supply. The Ram 1500 hurricane 3.0 is having issues as well. Cost cutting is harming all vehicle manufacturers now for higher profits.
Is the 4 banger turbo in taco land cruiser forerunner a poor engine too ? Any reports of failure
Yes, I think you are spot on. It’s not debris in the engine.
Bought my first tundra a few months back. 2024 platinum. I sure hope you’re wrong. Anxiously awaiting the end of the year to see what they do
🔥 How Expensive and how Difficult would it be for Toyota to go Back to the V8 and V6 and Make them in the USA 🇺🇸… Given their Global Facilities? Hmmm 🤔
Very engineering aside they would have to get it recertified
They would have to re-to all of their factories, set up the vendor distribution again, etc. it would be billions of dollars it’s not going to happen. As much as we’d like to. I don’t understand what the problem is just buying an old truck and literally rebuilding it from the ground up would cost you, less than half of these trucks, including a Tesla style pad stereo and anything else you wanted if you’re into that kind of stuff. Screw these new vehicles let them rot
the EpA would never allow it
Your logic is sound. Thank you for the heads up.
Toyota should consider a new name for their latest truck model, "LEMON."
Or the grenade 150
I’m not convinced this is not a design problem. And if all the engines are off the same line how is the hybrid plugging in in-line with engine how is that going to change the debris in the engine?
I purchased my Tundra SR5 the 2023 version by the end of 2022. I checked on the NHTSA (just inserted the VIN#) and I had bad luck, it is one of them being recalled. I put on it already 29500 miles and no issue so far. I am wondering if I dodged the bullet because when I got the Tundra after 1000 miles I changed the oil, and at the 5000 miles I changed again. Then I put a magnetic screw at the oil pen. At the 10000 miles interval I checked the screw and there weren't attached any machining debris to it. I am changing the oil every 5000 miles and do not see any debris being attached to the screw. I do not know if the machining debris causing the recall would be in the oil or not, if they would be I hope I flushed them out with the first two oil changes. Please, someone with knowledge of the issue give your opinion if it was possible for me to dodge the bullet with what I did, or the machining debris contamination would be somewhere else and would not find them in the oil. Tanks in an advance.
I still highly doubt that this a “debris” issue. It has to be a manufacturing fail, IMO. Thinking maybe the way the front bearing is casted, or possibly lubrication. Just “debris” would be too easy of a fix.
I agree 100%
The stated reason was a manufacturing problem, but in realty there is a design error which cannot be fixed unless a new engine is designed. What do you expect from a company that admitted submitting false crash test data to the government?
There are so many opinions on this that I don't know what to think. I can't see where Toyota can get away with it ethically to not disclose engine debris (if they know about it) in the 2024 Tundras. Having done the research over the past month, I think Toyota's story on the recall might be legit. These bearings are oil fed on a parallel circuit, so the damage being confined to the main bearing is plausible. Knock on wood, but absolutely no issues so far with my late 2023 at 10K miles. I totally get the emotionally driven reactions people are having on this issue. But to put it in perspective only about 900 units have actually failed (about 1%). For now, I'm going to take a deep breath and see what happens. I can't blame anyone who begs to differ.
I am taking my 19 Tundra TRD PRO is for oil change service tomorrow. I know my dealership service manager very well, like he used to be my neighbor. I guarantee they will try to get me into a new Tundra, just like the last time. Lmao, I will enjoy walking the lot and looking at all the "unsold" trucks, Tundra's and Tacoma's. I already know they have a 2024 Tacoma TRD Off Road there priced at $61K. Are you kidding me? What has become of my favorite brand? I am ashamed of Toyota these days. Bet your ass I will be driving back home in my 19 Tundra TRD PRO. And yes, I appreciate your videos.
Agree 100%. If they recall the 2024, dealers would be stuck with 1000’s of unsellable trucks. I live in Texas and am seeing dealer lots full of tundras that are already not selling.
Good video, gotta’ agree with everything you’re saying.
Sure glad I chose two ‘24 Ford F150 XLs with the 5.0 litre V8 and not the Tundra. Getting added to the business fleet.
I tried to get into a decent gen 2 tundra but the prices were insane so I picked up an SR5 TRD off Road for $4,500 below MSRP. I was told that a date code from July 2024 or later means it has a different engine block than the 2023's. We'll see, lol.
My 2023 Tundra Platinum is not on the recall list. Seems like only certain build dates have the issue.
What if this is a design defect? I'm not impressed with the tear down on the engine girdle. Its not reinforced like Ford's 2.7 or GM's 2.7. IMO the main bearing is getting too hot causing it to rock causing camshaft failures. Even with large discounts who wants this headache? They cheaped out on this engine. Like the Tacoma its under built. The taco has a weak rear diff. They had to "de tune" the manual shift models because they did not feel it would handle hard shifting and dropping the right pedal etc.. Many MT failures now. And when towing loads the rear diff is overheating. All indicators that the truck is under built. Cheaper parts, cheaper labor, with bad designs along with bigger price. That would be a hard no. Toyota is doing the voluntary recall because they know if left to NHTSA they will probably order a stop sell across the board. Which IMO, is what needs to happen.
Toyota has a design flaws in the one piece main cap. The metal debris that is found in the bottom end of the engine are from the barons itself. What’s happening is the one piece main cap is flexing due to the turbo force that is applied to the connecting rod and to the crankshaft.
Well said. Great video 👍
I just love it when we have youtubers like him to think he has the crystal ball on Toyotas engineering and business model. It is absolutely fascinating!
The sales have already come to a screeching halt
I’m dubious about the debris explanation vs design defect. I suspect Toyota is looking to their insurer to cover the majority of these warranty claims. Without knowing more, I’d surmise that if the flaw is a design defect (unreasonable strain on bearings that causes failure) as opposed to failing to clean out engine debris during assembly, the insurance policies could exclude the former. Let’s see additional information comes to light….
2024 is experiencing the issue as well. If it was the debris issue and was resolved on the timeline they claim, then the 2024 would not be experiencing the issue. But we all know that there are 2024 trucks that are getting engines replaced for the issue.
When I worked for toyota here in alberta.. if there was a safety recall on a vehicle that hadn't been sold, it was a stop sale.. until it was fixed... We had several units that were sold but we held them for up to 6 weeks while the recall was developed & the fix implemented..
From what I see, the recall is for 22-23 units... don't you think it's possible that they found the issue before the 24 was released & "cleared" the debris in the production line??
It is actual law that dealerships must fix recalls before selling a unit (used or new)
Keep in mind that toyota does more recalls cause they care about their customer base.. The old recall when unintended acceleration came about involved a gas pedal modification.. Did Pontiac recall the Vibe for that??? NOOO.. strange cause it had the exact same gas pedal in it. The real reason for those unintended accels was 99% of the time multiple floor mats that jammed up the gas pedal or brake pedal..
As for the bells & whistles... every manufacturer is doing it.. it's what the new drivers want... I wish they didn' t have it. As far as I'm concerned, toyota is slower to bring those bells & whistles to market.
We've all heard you can't trust a car salesperson well now it appears you can't trust car manufacturers either....greed!!
I still trust Toyota. When the last generation Tundra started, they had similar issues, and they built the reliability over years. The same is going to happen with this Tundra. Their going to get all the kinks out in the first year's once the processed is streamlined. I was going to buy a Tundra and most likely still will once prices go down. They price me out of their SR5, and I have had 2 SR5 Tundras before. I think Toyota probably would lower the SR5 and limited prices to get them off the lots. An SR5 should not cost over 50K, and some are 65K because of dealers wanting profit. There are small percentage of engines that are affected, but Toyota is cautious with the recalls and probably waits to an issue if any pop up in a 24. The Sequoia isn't being recalled, and some lexus models with the same engine. It's not all doom and gloom. I trust Toyota more than Ford, GM, and Ram. RAM even had to lower prices, but they have their own issues with their sinking ship.
I agree! I believe that it is poor engineering with the main bearing
Me too and if it is a design issue, well, they are in deep. What a headache.
I love my 2024 Toyota tundra. I still have my 2014 but I favor the 2024
A lot of my friends told me that this issue was intentionally sabotage, probably people from the new assembly location was bribed to cause this issue. Because this was I believed never happened on their Japan Factory. Engine before assembly should be be flushed and washed with pressurize water to make sure no metal remnants and debris stays on the engine, then the installation of components will follows. But on this case it's like the engines never went to the flushing phase at all.
The Ford F150 line up shows otherwise, while some of the early EcoBoost Motors had their issues, more buyers prefer the V6 Twin Turbo over the NA 5.0L V8 from a sales point of view, nothing wrong with the new Tundra Platform, Toyota screwed up the launch, not the architecture.
Im sticking with my 2003 V6 Tacoma TRD for now.
Swapping out the engines... doesn't that cross a threshold for repairs required before sale which will turn them into used vehicles? Problems, problems. LOL!
I would argue that the reason they aren’t including the 2024 is possibly because they found the problem and fixed it.
I live in Nova Scotia Canada. Alot of driving when you go anywhere because of distances between towns and cities
Debris...right. Were the components for the Lexus and Tundra made in same place?
Should be half those prices
I’ve heard those V8s are starting to have blown head gaskets. As time and miles climb the metal gasket is failing. Anyone else heard this ?
@@rogerthat117 they had leaky cam towers at the beginning but that was ironed out early on. I’m not aware of any head gasket problems.
One of your competitors is making videos denying Toyota is having a problem. I even challenged his view about the Tundra right before the recall. I said, and it continues to be my opinion, that the 2024's weren't included because Toyota wants to unload as many as possible before they are included in the recall. Toyota has a long history of lying & denying there are problems until it is so widespread, it can no longer be denied. I had one of the bad V6 head gaskets back in the 1990's. The denied there was an issue with them. I ended up paying for new head gaskets, but when they finally "admitted" there was a problem, I was denied reimbursement because my VIN was "Out of range" for their defect.
Thanks for sharing that man. That’s ridiculous you couldn’t get reimbursed for that back in the 90s… insane. Toyota is definitely selling off as many 24s as they can before looping it into the recall. We are seeing so many 24 owners bump into the same issues.
I would like to hear more about the recent issues with the 2024 Tacoma...transmissions, engines, other?
I want my 77 SR5 5 speed long bed back. I have regretted selling it for 30 years!
Toyota has been down this road before. They had a class action lawsuit for oil consumption for certain models from 2006-2011. It all depends on what they do to fix this issue. My hope is that they will correct course and continue putting out quality, reliable vehicles.
DEBRIS doesn't cause engine failure 32k miles later...from the factory.
It is a weak part breakdown. Not an unclean engine
As someone who has worked for Toyota for the last 13+ years...everything in this video is a sad fact. Same is/will be true for the Tacoma and soon to be 4Runner. I just bought a '24 TRD PRO 4Runner...last of the dinosaurs...for this exact reason. Get them while you can...Toyota is in trouble and they have no one to blame but themselves.
Appreciate you adding some credibility to this, thank you. It’s a shame Toyota has gotten to this point. Smh…
Highlander already met it's fate since the 23 is a turbo the 22 was the last naturally aspirated V6.
I have a 2017-1794 looks like new was considering purchasing a new 2024 but after much research I have decided to keep my 2017. Would like something new but now I don’t know what to get 😢. Will probably get wife a new Toyota rav4 I’ll start driving her older one and park my tundra and keep miles down.
Nope I’m done with Toyota that’s what they get for being greedy and having them trucks made in Mexico where the labor rate is $2.75 an hour .
What about the Sequias???
I absolutely think u r correct. Toyota don't want to include 2024 yet because they can't sell a recall vehicle. So toyota wants to sell it first and do recall later.