Fantastic Beasts 3 - The Movie that SAVED Harry Potter (Kinda) | Video Essay
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The Harry Potter franchise has been through a rough patch, it's still GOING through a rough patch. Not only has JK Rowling gone on bigoted tirades online, but the Wizarding World franchise reached the lowest of low points following the release of Fantastic Beasts 2 The Crimes of Grindelwald; a bloated, convoluted, horribly written sequel that all but KILLED the Fantastic Beasts franchise and all remaining interest in more movies in the Harry Potter universe and much of that rested on the shoulders of JK Rowling herself having written both the fine Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Crimes of Grindelwald. With Fantastic Beasts 3 The Secrets of Dumbledore, a major change was needed in order to SAVE Harry Potter. Enter Steve Kloves, the man who wrote 7 of the 8 Harry Potter films, the man who has a great understanding of the Wizarding World on the big screen and why the harry potter films were as beloved as they are returned to rework Rowling's script and do his best to salvage a sinking ship, miraculously pulling it off. Fantastic Beasts The Secrets of Dumbledore may not have fixed all the problems that plague the Harry Potter prequels, much of that DNA is unfortunately just baked into the fabric of the story thanks to JK Rowling, but it is a major course correction that will hopefully lead to the saving of the Harry Potter Franchise or the Fantastic Beasts franchise. The world, characters, and story felt MAGICAL again, something Harry Potter fans have only gotten glimpses of over the previous two films. So...yeah, Fantastic Beasts 3 is Actually a GOOD Movie! Let's just hope it's not too little too late. Griffin (@griffschiller) is joined by a special guest to give you their Secrets of Dumbledore review or Fantastic Beasts 3 review and discuss how fantastic beasts 3 saved the harry potter franchise, why fantastic beasts 3 works, and the man who saved the harry potter franchise.
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Professor Albus Dumbledore knows the powerful, dark wizard Gellert Grindelwald is moving to seize control of the wizarding world. Unable to stop him alone, he entrusts magizoologist Newt Scamander to lead an intrepid team of wizards and witches. They soon encounter an array of old and new beasts as they clash with Grindelwald's growing legion of followers. Fantastic Beasts 3 is directed by David Yates and stars Eddie Redmayne; Jude Law; Ezra Miller; Dan Fogler; Mads Mikkelsen; Katherine Waterston; Alison Sudol; Callum Turner; Richard Coyle; Jessica Williams;
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I think the main issue of this franchise ever since the first one is how it’s trying to infuse the dumbledore and Grindelwald stuff of the first wizarding war into a movie whose title and premise that the audience was sold on was about a quirky guy searching for some cute creatures. These things are the exact opposite in terms of tone and they just end up clashing. It almost feels like the only reason Newt and his storyline exists in the third film is because they are too afraid to simply throw him away and change the title of the series, three entries in. The dumbledore Grindelwald stuff should have been it’s own series and same for the Newt stuff. They would be infinitely better without the other.
exactly. i would’ve loved to see a globe-trotting franchise (i know it is right now but it doesn’t feel as fun as it should) with newt just finding these creatures and maybe even having to race to them - akin to indiana jones. in situations like that we could bring in grindelwald’s followers but never him himself because that’s just too big scale for a character like newt. you’re right and i think it’s the reason why newt’s character has very barely progressed in the films.
This. I loved the first movie for what it was, and it had a touch of Grindelwald, which I thought worked well as just a touch at the end. It was a good standalone film, but then money happened...
@@Lokear it was never meant to be a stand alone film though. Before the movie was even written J.K. signed a 5 picture deal to tell this story in 5 movies. So money didn’t happen.
@@ikexbankai Okay, I stand corrected. In my opinion, the first movie does work well as a standalone though, regardless of whether it was meant to be from the start or not.
Yes yes this is exactly what Ive been saying all along 🙌🔥
Mads and Jude's god tier chemistry in Fantastic Beasts 3 is what saved the franchise. People are free to say whatever they want, but imo Dumbledore and Grindelwald's romance is the only romance in the entire Wizarding World cinematic universe that has a degree of depth and complexity.
It is for sure the most original and interesting romance in the wizarding world, full of emotions. I don´t understand why people complain about Dumbledore having significant role in the storyline ... and more space. The series is called Fantastic beasts, but that doesn´t mean that whole film will be only about animals. In fact, when I see various reviews on the internet, it seem like reviews write almost everyone nowadays and a lot of them isn´t very reasonable.
THIS. Never cared for ANY romances in the wizarding world to me they are just boring and without depth but dumbledore and grindelwald... these two made me so emotional while watching the film
Its the first one
And most of that is held in Jude Law’s eyes - in the first scene and his last scene with Mads Mikkelsen.
I hope in the 4th movie, they show some scenes of them when they were young boys and how they got so close to eachother romantically.
I prefer Mads Mikkelsen as Grindelwald and think he should have been in the role from the start, but to be fair to Johnny Depp, Grindelwald in general is just a much better written character in this movie than he was in the last two. He's actually allowed to show some emotion and be vulnerable, especially in the moments with Dumbledore. Johnny didn't have the opportunity to share scenes with Jude, and so his performance didn't feel as layered.
I love JD, but his Grindelwald is pure crazy. And I can’t see Dumbledore falling for that Grindelwald. But I can buy their love story this time around
I actually disagree. JD was way more nuanced and had so much depth as Grindelwald. He felt energetic and had just so many emotions. With MM I don't see this side, he feels passive and controlled, distanced and more Voldemort-like. For me, MMs portrayal was a step backwards. It was good in the way that I believed he was Grindelwald, but I missed the energy that was captured in the first and second installment.
@@buchbummelant8980 his Grindelwald made more sense with the whole Dumbledore relation
@@livingashtree1942 MM or JD?
I think both have something going for them, but the Dumbledore/Grindelwald storyline was embedded into the story from the start. When Graves questions Newt I sensed jealousy. The second movie was a mess all around and not JDs fault. I think he could have been great in the third installment, given the chance. The source material was kind of crappy ...
@@buchbummelant8980 MM- Johnny Depps was just too crazy
I agree with what you said about the love pact. Love could have been (and actually was) the main reason Dumbledore didn't want to face Grindelwald, but there's still another crucial reason, which is the main explanation de books gave: Dumbledore was terrified of the truth:
‘I think, than I feared him. Oh, not death,’ said Dumbledore, in answer to Harry’s questioning look. ‘Not what he could do to me magically. I knew that we were evenly matched, perhaps that I was a shade more skilful. It was the truth I feared. You see, I never knew which of us, in that last, horrific fight, had actually cast the curse that killed my sister. You may call me cowardly: you would be right. Harry, I dreaded beyond all things the knowledge that it had been I who brought about her death, not merely through my arrogance and stupidity, but that I actually struck the blow that snuffed out her life.
‘I think he knew it, I think he knew what frightened me. I delayed meeting him until, finally, it would have been too shameful to resist any longer.’
Thanks for adding the comment, I was just about to add something along the lines.
That first quote is about abberforth not grindelwald. The death of Ariana has nothing to do with grindelwald
@@all-caps3927 He talks about Grindelwald, not Aberforth. He met his brother from time to time, but he was afraid of meeting Grindelwald, which is why he delayed fighting him.
Edit.: When Ariana died, there were four people in the room: Albus and Grindelwald, Aberforth who was confronting them and Ariana.
@@buchbummelant8980 really? I never knew grindelwald was as even present at the event, it never says he was in the movies, unfortunately I haven’t read the books of the fantastic beasts series. Although ultimately Dumbeldore duelled with his brother as a joke after confronting him about travelling away with Grindelwald. He then accidentally cursed his sister and killed her, when she walked down the stairs of their house. That shouldn’t be any reason to fear grindelwald, that was simply a huge mistake between him and his brother.
@@all-caps3927 I don't have the books with me right now, but in HP7 it's clearly stated that in the summer after Kendra died, Albus and Grindelwald became friends and made grand plans and shortly before Aberforth (who had a special bond with his sister, who cared for her and was able to calm her down) had to go back to Hogwarts, he confronted Albus and Grindelwald that their plans didn't include caring for Adriana and that they couldn't take her with them to fulfill their grand plans. Grindelwald became angry, a fight ensued, in which Aberforth alledgedly (after Rita Skeeter) broke Albus's nose and they duelled, the three of them, Ariana was trying to help, but in the end, Ariana was dead on the floor. Grindelwald ran away because he already had a record after being kicked out of Durmstrang and Albus felt remorse, burying his plans.
That's the gist of the Rita Skeeter book, Aberforths and Albus's recollection.
Watching this in the theater, I could sense the air of 'fixing the last movie's mistakes', and in my opinion, it did it beautifully. Sure, this one has its issues too, like why Bunty needed to get a Muggle to replicate the case, but that can be explained by Dumbledore's plan to confuse Grindelwald. Can't wait for FB4
I've watched and read a few reviews now and I'm surprised no one mentions how Jude Law has these moments where he sounds exactly like Michael Gambon's Dumbledore. He has these quiet kind of muffled sounding lines where he isn't in the shot (I think there are a few in the Hog's Head scenes) and it could easily have been old Dumbledore speaking and I wouldn't have been the wiser. He does a great job as younger Dumbledore.
I saw this Movie a week ago with pretty low expectations.
But i was deeply shocked how much i enjoyed it.
I now hope that this franchise isn't dead.
Because now i would want a 4 and 5 Movie like planned.
If my english isn't great, im sorry.
Im not from Britain or America
I think that's the thing! This movie course corrects a lot and now I'll be upset if we dont' get a 4 and 5!
@@FilmSpeak the problem is that the reviews are mostly mixed and while i don't care about sides as Rotten tomatoes, many people do.
And if they see that the Movie isn't overall praised, they won't see it
Yeah, I was hoping this would do well because then they would approve 4 and 5. Be nice if Katherine Waterston could get her bigger part back then.
@@michaelleary9233 agreed
Honestly I’m going to be so mad if there isn’t a 4 and 5 I have always love this series
Almost subbed, until you mentioned Depp 'doing bad shit' with zero context, and the fact that all evidence availiable points to him being a victim more than a perpetrator. It's a silly thing to be annoyed about, but it does a lot of damage.
i don’t think it’s silly, johnny and amber did bad things to each other but amber is by far the more abusive one in this equation
Same, i put a dislike on the vid because of that
What evidence? Unverified audio clips? Only verified proofs are allowed in courts and he lost the UK Libel suit.
Yeah me too
This guy has some of the consistently worst takes I've ever seen on a channel this size about films/pop culture. It's astonishing actually.
While on the topic of love, loss and redemption, It would have been so great to add a story about Newt and Theseus discussing about Leta. Theseus wants to stop Grindelwald the guy who killed his fiance but still feels like he doesn't have a real emotional crux to the story. I mean come on, just from a story point of view it makes him a better supporting character yet we don't feel that even after adding that subtext our-self. There is no real conversation between Newt and Theseus about Leta and what she meant to each one of them. They could have had a good moment of brotherly bond where they have a fight about something related to Leta and Newt has to go save Theseus when he gets captured (something that happened in the movie) and they reconcile past difference and start to talk with each other better. This would also add so much more to both their characters especially Newt as he begins to learn to open up to others. I know its cliche but some stuff can work if integrated with other new elements like the Manticores.
Yeah it is odd that Theseus doesn’t bring up Leta or anything. That seemed like Kloves trying to just move past Crimes for the sake of this story and cleaning up the convoluted mess. Still, would’ve been nice to acknowledge it.
True, but I guess that is how some men can be to each other. I barely ever discuss any relationship/women stuff with my little brother either, especially things about our feelings, bleh. I guess both of us are kind of stereotypical men in some ways :D
I agree we just want more stories and clarification, i still believe the fantastic beast saga would be best told via a Novel.. movies is limited with screen time.
3rd movie was better story telling compared to previous 2 IMO. Jacob & Lally ❤️
I think that was more just them trying to sweep the second movie under the rug and pretend it never happened. Like yeah some events are references but the more we can ignore it the better
They should have employed you as one of the writers. I was looking for that too. The most interesting character for me in the second film was Leta, and what she meant to these two men cannot suddenly go "poof".
I think Jacob is basically a representation of a character the audience can sympathise with, in a world where magic is incredibly overpowered, and can basically be used to instantly kill people, if used by the wrong hands.
I would agree or at least like the goodness of humankind. His addition to this franchise has been so refreshing.
Jacob is only there for the Americans
I feel like the whole conflict of fighting the man you love comes in the next teo films as we know Dumbledore and Grindelwald are set to duel. So I feel like for now the blood oath was a security blanket for Dumbledore, of sorts. As up until this point he had the 'luxury' to say: I CAN'T fight him and didn't have to say I want to fight the man who will ruin all I stand for but I don't want to fight the man I love.
So I hope we get that conflict in the coming movies.
Nice analysis, I really don't think Crimes of Grindelwald is that bad I for one love it and can't believe some hate Where To Find Them too? I still defend the first 2 films but Secrets of Dumbledore is even better. Secrets of Dumbledore is not only my fav movie of 2022 but my fav movie of 2022, the Qilin is my fav beast in the franchise. Hopefully Tina will get far more screen time in the 4th film!
Am I wrong or I saw you on other videos? Like dozens
@@gosnfrenki I'm a passionate Fantastic Beasts supporter always defending it from the haters!
@@HarryThomasPictures No hating bro, just want to know Im not mad...
Yeah I don’t know why people were hating on crimes of grindelwald so much, I enjoyed it lol.
I completely agree you. I don't understand all the hate #2 got but I must say 3 is a close favorite with the 1st.
I still feel so sad that this amazing character, played perfectly by Eddie Redmayne, wasn't featured enough. I wanted to see a movie about this dorky guy and his love for these (often deadly) animals. Not wizard politics
I’m hindsight…that never should’ve gone I to the Wizard politics. I think a simple story about a man and his creatures could be interesting. That being said, I actually am really fascinated and invested in the Dumbledore/Grindelwald story. They really should’ve separated the two into 2 spin offs
Well, you're in luck. There is very little actual wizard politics in this film. There's politicians but they don't actually say anything.
@@ajh22895 you know what I meant; who's related to who, world changing drama, non-Newt related filler
Bru. What did you think was gonna happen? You though the war would just happen in the background like it wasn't happening at all? We knew from the beginning were this story was set. At the begging of a wizarding war that was gonna end with Dumbledore defeating Grindelwald. Which already meant that the focus would slowly go towards Dumbledore.
I think they actually handled that pretty well.
Wizard politics? What you mean? That is whole story about... Its canon... Grindelwald wants better world for wizards, others disagree...
Johnny Depp didn’t do anything bad. It was Amber Heard ruining his career.
Thank you for this clarification
Yeah I was confused when he said he was doing “bad things”. Guess he doesn’t know the full story
Ehhh it's really less cut and dry as you make it. It's honestly a case where both parties did bad stuff in a toxic relationship that just blew up. They fed into the worst parts of one another. I don't think you can necessarily place sole blame on one party.
@@FilmSpeak agreed but there’s physical evidence of her physically abusing him and most of what she’s said has been proven false. Being a shitty husband doesn’t excuse her abuse.
@@FilmSpeak Maybe, but I don't remember seeing proof of Johnny Depp hitting Amber. Can't say the same about proof of Amber hitting Johnny Depp, even if both were in a toxic relationship Amber Heard is still 100% in control of her choice to abuse Johnny Depp and being in a toxic relationship doesn't absolve her in the slightest.
Honestly, Dumbledore is and remains the most compelling part of the FB franchise. Newt is just the audience surrogate at this point, and personally I think it should stay that way. The naming of the series is unfortunate, because it means they have to force fantastic beasts in there somewhere, despite the real quality of the series coming from Jude Law's Dumbledore. And now you have Mads Mikkelsen, who is well known for playing these incredibly nuanced and intense characters. So you have two world class actors with an incredible amount of chemistry on a screen together. Mikkelsen elevates the entire franchise with a certain maturity and classiness, imo, and if anyone can save it it's him and Jude. Together.
WB needed to drop the “Fantastic Beasts” monicker from the start. It was stupid and was poor branding. This is the only film was used Newt correctly. He is an emotional connection for Dumbledore.
As a Crimes of Grindelwald fan, Secrets of Dumbledore is an improvement in both screenplay and pacing and the best out of the three
Hell yeah! Glad you think so
Its a shame I didnt see a single ad for it until literally this week.
..it breaks harry potter lore and fantastic beast continuity .. and this movie leaves too many questions to ponder.... What the hell was the election for? Dictator of the wizarding world? Why is there a coreless wand introduced?? What happened to nagini is the secret of Dumbledore really that his brother isn't a virgin?? Wth this movie was really really bad the structure three acts are even convoluted tell me when the climax was ?? The resolution and the climax happend at the same time it was ridiculousl
THANK YOU. I've been looking for literally anybody saying anything positive, I really needed that.
Not true at all.
I think the movie still tries to hint that the main reason for Dumbledore's inaction is due to his lingering love. Because after the blood pact broke and the two starts fighting, they still found themselves to be unable to deal the finishing blow. So even without the blood pact, their inaction towards each other (or at least hesitance) would still be present.
Secrets is my favorite of the FB movies. It just felt like more fun (especially when Jacob interacted with the Slytherin boys), and I liked more interaction between Newt and Theseus. We need more of the teamwork and bond between these characters to get anywhere near the camaraderie we felt with the HP characters.
I agree! I think that was the big thing for me, it was FUN. They spent a lot of time trimming out the excess of the previous two and refocusing the narrative. Hopefully if the series continues the films that follow will be better as a result.
I think you're slightly overselling Steve. This is all J.K's story. Steve just helped adapt into a more movie-friendly script. David Yates said Steve's main job was the dialogue and linking scene to scene. This is JK captaining the ship with David Heyman and David Yates as co-pilots.
Which is why the dialogue works well, while the plot is still wonky and all over the place.
@@ChienaAvtzon In my opinion the main issue here is we're being impatient with a story that is still halfway through. The franchise would work a lot better as a series on Netflix or something, it just needs more screentime to develop organically. I think JK Rowling is still finding that sweet spot between screenplay and novel and hopefully she'll find it by the next film. Rowling's stories are always thoroughly planned, I know there's a lot more we'll get explained moving forward and so I have big hopes for this story still and will have no verdict until it's completely told.
Also, I feel there's a lot of subtext that is going unnoticed, some of it by myself. That mirroring thing you guys explained... noice.
@@thepolloelectrico1117 - While, I agree the WWII arc is better suited as an adult HBOMAX miniseries. That does not change the fact, JK Rowling did not properly outline and edit the “Fantastic Beasts” story. I just rewatched “Secrets of Dumbledore”, and it is clear Steve Kloves altered the basic timeline. The order of events the happened in the previous two films have been switched. The stuff between Newt/Leta/Theseus in Paris happened before Newt went to NYC. Meaning, Leta Lestrange died several years before Newt met Tina, and Queenie joined Grindelwald in NYC. JK Rowling destroyed her own franchise by being lazy and trying to force characters into storylines they did not belong. This has nothing to do with fans and moviegoers being impatient, and everything to do with poor writing and plotting.
JK Rowling and WB screwed up by letting her be the screenwriter, and fast tracking the franchise before the story was fully mapped out. Remember, novels are only as good as their editors. Even a minute detail such as which Scamander brother is older, should have been allowed to be altered to better fit the actors. As their dynamic is funnier if Newt is the older brother, or he and Theseus are twins. Evoking the Holocaust is in very poor taste, and a Jewish character would never join Wizard Nazis. Credence should have remained dead, and not been revealed as a Dumbledore, because it gave Grindelwald the ideal rallying call. Then there were all the pointless ancillary characters who added nothing but dead weight. JK Rowling will be lucky if WB gives her another chance. David Zaslav, the new CEO, is brutal and not interested in garbage. The only reason I can see him allowing “Fantastic Beasts” to continue, is to keep certain actors on contract.
Also, do not get me started on the casting misfires that were Ezra Miller and Johnny Depp. Talk about a dumpster fire.
I honestly loved this movie haha, I got so excited when we revisited old locations and the clasic music played, I felt like a kid again, I loved some fight scenes wich I think are an improvement from the original franchise where fights were just like gun fights, and I laughed my ass of with the crab dance
When Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them was released, I genuinely thought the next few movies would just be adapting the other books. Like "Quidditch Through the Ages" or "Tales of Beedle the Bard" I honestly would have preferred that rather than forcing this needlessly complicated story that involved Dumbledore and Grindelwald.
It’s not complicated at all, you just need to look in the right places
@@all-caps3927 I'm sure you're right. I just don't find Crimes of Grindelwald engaging enough to rewatch it. I haven't seen The Secrets of Dumbledore yet.
@@johnkobebalod9211 I absolutely agree, im very reasonable - and I could honestly not get along well with the 2nd movie. It’s so incredibly choppy, and muffled. That is hard to follow I admit. This is a huge improvement, I highly recommend watching it. It’s certainly a step in the right direction
I agree! I also think it'd be cool if they came out with a movie series on the origins of the Hogwarts Houses or the origins of Voldemort. I hope Tom Riddle appears in the 4th or 5th movie of fantastic beasts at least.
Imagine how awesome it would be if they made a live action quidditch sports film set in the harry potter universe or maybe like an anime styled alternate universe where the second wizarding war never happened and harry would have grown up in hogwarts with both his parents alive and focusing on a full time quidditch career as a young adult graduate.
I loved the opening scene, it felt like Newt had an important part to play in this movie again. The creature he is saving determines the fate of the magical world!
Man, I really wanted this video to change my mind of this movie. Sadly it didn't. I'm glad to see lots of people enjoyed it though.
Come on dudes, this video literally premiered 7 hours ago and it's April 14th 2022. How do you not know that Johnny Depp has been all but completely vindicated? His libel lawsuit against Amber Heard is literally ongoing at this moment
Exactly i just took the like and straight up disliked this video for that
This review convinced me to go to watch this movie despite my deep doubts after the 2nd one.
"We don't need an emo hot topic bracelet!" LOL that line definitely got me laughing. U r right though. Them being in love should have been enough. But I wonder if the writing will be good enough to convince us. Even with the blood pact, sometimes I still feel iffy about it having the power to stop Dumbledore.
Yeah that’s the thing, I think a lot of the issues with this series come down to writing, either over or under writing certain aspects. Love should ultimately be enough and would make for a far more interesting exploration of character…but I wouldn’t trust JK to write that. I would Steve Kloves! So idk maybe now that the oath is gone, that will allow him the opportunity to explore that idea.
Plot holes of the top of my head:
*- Credence as a Dumbledore.*
So, previous movie, Grindelwald tells Credence that he's Dumbledore's brother, right? But now it turns out he's apparently his nephew? So why tell him he's Dumbledore's brother? If you were going to lie about his heritage, wouldn't you say something more like "He's your father" to make the whole abandonment idea more prominent. But of course, we, the viewers, know that Dumbledore never had a son, and wasn't that the whole point? Not tricking Credence, but tricking us...
*- The Chilin*
So, magic deer is used for magic elections. Alright, that's fine, but why are they not guarded in any way, sense or form?! What happens when the all die out? What's to stop someone tampering with it, like a voting ballot box?
*- Magic Security*
Do they just not check wands now? Even after an attempted "assassination", they still have zero defenses in place at the election place. Anybody could have whipped out there wand and taken out any of the candidates. Also, was there no barrier or anything to cancel out enchantments? If Gringotts can have a magic waterfall that washes away enchantments, then surely the event to decide the ruler of all wizard kind could have at least something a little similar...
*- Grindelwald contradicting himself on live television*
The first time was when he straight up says that the wand Jacob has, the one he "tried to assassinate him with" is coreless, basically making it a regular stick. "Oh no, the magicless muggle's going to murder me with a useless stick!". And then there's his flagrant use of the Cruciatus Curse on Jacob. We know that the curse doesn't work if you don't truly want to see the person suffer. Now stay with me here, but I thought the Chilin bowing to you meant that you were good and pure of heart, which doesn't sound like someone willing to torture an unarmed man with one of the darkest known spells to exist...
I'm sure I can come up with more later if need be. Thank you for your time.
Must say I love this analysis. I just saw the film tonight and absolutely loved it. I can say it is my favourite of the series so far and I pray we get an announcement for the 4th film soon! But of course I am biased towards this franchise and the Wizarding World. Still great video. I hope we can see more Wizarding Workd videos!
I’ve always thought that Crimes of Grindlewald was a great sequel to the first one. Even better than the first one imo
I think the biggest crime Fantastic Beasts commits revolves around how much they were trying to set up rather than tell an actual story. Crimes of Grindelwald didn’t really have a “plot”; it was just one scene going after another that is rather seen out of context. Aside from Grindelwald’s speech in that movie along with the opening scene and ending scene, I felt nothing from watching CoG. Now that movie has great special effects and good voice acting, like it was a great movie from a technical and visual perspective, but the “plot” was pale at best. But Secrets of Dumbledore does sound like a movie that seems to be on the right track of things. It does sound like a movie that has what Crimes of Grindelwald was missing above all else. I might see this movie after hearing about how much it improves and tries to not repeat from the predecessor. An improved film is much better than a movie that manages to be worse than the first.
Dumbledore did NOT meet with Trelawney in The Hog's Head Inn, Aberforth's bar. They met in the Three Broomsticks Inn, Rosmerta's bar.
for me the main problem with fantastic beasts 3 is that literally the only characters with any progression were jacob, queenie & credence, and then there was barely any story progression too (i won’t state what that was though because spoilers of course)
oh God, not another Johny Depp hater....He sucked as Grindelwald but is not the woman beating lunatic that Amber tried to frame him as. Stop adding to the false characterization of Mr. Depp please. He has been going through enough.
I wanted to like this film. I really did. I've even went out of my way to find good reviews that defend it and so far I still haven't found a convincing argument. Everything about this film feels like it's on autopilot. It's scatterbrained, boring, it's second act is a waste of space, and there's a lack of canonical cohesion in the lore. And the fact that Dumbledore is somehow more pure than Jacob is one of the dumbest decisions in the franchise.
I love the blood magic element, but perhaps that’s the goth lesbian in me 🤣 However I am very intrigued to see how Albus is going to move forward and what actions he will take. People are forgetting this isn’t the end of the story, not everything needs an explanation yet. I did miss Tina, the ending with her and Newt was beyond adorable.
A suggestion from me for the Fantastic Beasts future: We don't need two more "waiting" Beasts movies, so get the final confrontation between Dumbledore and Grindelwald in the next(4th) movie, as long as WB allows there to be more movies, and then make the 5th(and final) movie as a "binding story" like the Star Wars Rouge One movie, where we see Voldemorts rise to power that ends with the killing of James and Lilly, and Hagrid saving baby Harry, to tie up the "prequel" Fantastic movies with the main story in the HP movies. :) ;)
9:19 I hate to be that person who points out every mistake in youtube videos but you called Jacob Danish, when he's in fact canonically Polish
One thing that I liked a lot is that compared to the last movie, this movie didn't have retcons. I really liked especially how they stuck with the fact that resurrection IS a thing in the wizarding world, but it ends up in the resurrected being becoming just a shell of their old self, soulless, just like the Qilin at the end of the movie was.
Totally missed the opportunity to make the deer bow before Jacob
what i really liked about the movie was the fact that credence had absolutely no chance against dumbledore.
On the topic of *the recast*... Wizarding World lore can actually explain the change to Grindewald's appearance in-universe. Voldemort was said to have had his features morphed and twisted as a result of immersing himself deeper into the Dark Arts. Grindelwald could have very well done the same in the five year gap between Crimes and Secrets.
Saw it last night, really enjoyed it. I honestly do love the messiness that’s CoG as it felt like a beautiful portrayal of selfishness where this film is about sacrifice.
I can’t wait to rewatch this film!
I really had to go back and forth with myself on whether or not I was going to watch the film twice in opening weekend
"Do what is right, no what is easy."
But among my community, we think they chose the easy way.
To me, this is not a resurrections film for wizarding world but destroying it, because we're having high expectation to this third film.
I think the first and second are good, not the best, but still acceptable. Because we got new characters, new kind of idea, creatures, even a muggle.
But coming to the third film, it's so disappointing. The whole movie is so rushing at all the plots, trying to fill what's left from the first, second, and also leaving a bunch of new questions.
Talking about the secret of Dumbledore, we still can't feel how struggle for Dumbledore about losing his sister, well at least a small flashback like Snape? Showing how sad when he saw Lili is dead, the expression, the feeling we can saw it on Snape's while hugging Lili's dead body.
The series used two movie to tell us about Credence, built his character well, but in this third film, he suddenly can connect with his original family without explaination to us. He suddenly convinced by Albus just a scene of interaction and just a sentence: "He is lying to you." That's all? Easy win for Albus. And suddenly, he is good with his father.
Qillin? Seriously? Why the people still need to vote when the Qillin's decision is the final decision. The movie just slapped our face really hard that voting is unnecessary when we're having a high and powerful being to chose which is the best.
And the Qillin bow to Albus is not going well too. Is he having a good heart? I think he's just good at playing strategy and mind game, it didn't mean he's having a good heart there.
Blood Oath is unbreakable? So it will break when they both having the different ideal? Then the oath should be broke when Albus has the thought of planning to stop Grindelwald. No to wait until one chose to save and one chose to kill.
Kama's double agent. Is Grindelwald so stupid? Kama just came from no where and he straight getting a higher position then the other. And Nagini? Where's she? Fully turned into a snake? No explaination at all.
Grindelwald's ability to see the future is not fully used. And what is a plan without a plan? Or many many plan to cover this and that? Or not letting everyone knows the plan? But not having a plan is still a plan. To me.
Conclusion for this film I didn't enjoy it at all. The visual effect are great. The story is a big no, can't see the main story line and mixed a lot of sub story line. Named the movie: The Secrets of Dumbledore but everything came out from no where. And we still can't fully know what's the secret. I though the movie is just about to start: at Bhudan. But it's almost end. About the fourth and fifth movie, that's where I will have low expectations to look forward to them. Not to pick a fight or something, just to share my thought and feelings about this movie. And thank you for reading such a long passage, but I still can't express it all by words and I'm not a English main, hope you can understand my words. :D
Facts. And another thing I can't stand is that the film is constantly like trying to remind you that this is Harry Potter. Oh, look Hogwarts again, look at that, do you remember, the Quidditch player with the 7 in his back, all the musical themes by John Williams, etc.
If there was something I appreciated the most from the previous two movies is that they weren't pretending to be Harry Potter more than they should just for the sake of pleasing the fans.
One thing I think people don't talk about enough is how good the action sequences were. They were BY FAR the best in any wizarding world movie, really dynamic and full of emotion
Agreed! They were a blast!
My favorite fight is still Voldemort and Dumbledore in Order of the Phoenix! The last fight in this one was still really good too!
Kowalski was Polish, not Danish!
As someone who isn't really a dedicated Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts fan but also someone who have seen all the movies (haven't read any of the books) ngl when I watched Crimes of Grindelwald and Secrets of Dumbledore I had no clue what was going on in like half of those movies
I like the idea that Grindelwald might have used Dumbledors' love for him to his future benefit.
Kinda like he wasn't sure if dumbledor would actually join him. Toxic dominating people exist in all relationships and since love makes us all do dumb things maybe that's where dumbledors love lead him never to believe grindlewald wasn't doing anything wrong...he didn't see the red flags...
I'm watching this movie next week so hope its good xD
Grendlewald 😂😂
@@regina55633 damnit
I feel like the underlying issue with the second film is that the movies are called fantastic *BEAST* and we only got to see like one new creature
Yeah that’s kinda the problem with these films, they can’t choose between being about the Fantastic Beasts and Newt or like Dumbledore and Grindelwald. I think Secrets of Dumbledore does what it can to refocus things and work the beasts in a meaningful way.
eh. i disagree. i dont think this film did nearly enough to "revive" the series. i felt severly underwhelmed as the plot ended pretty much exactly where it started aside from 2 character turns, 1 of which was always non sense and the other who will probably be killed off screen due to the actor. The movie was fine, thats all. Not egregious, but nonetheless empty. They shouldve doubled down on Dumbledore being the protagonist of the film, rather than keeping Newt in that post. Not to mention that after 3 movies, our main crew is an empty shell of characters aside from Newt and Jacob.
This was such an interesting video - I expected just a bunch of clips and someone narrating their opinion over the top of it. This was so good, I’m gonna binge watch the rest of the channel 😅 (got a new subscriber btw 💪)
Did the Qillin feel like the golden snitch of wizard elections to anyone else? Seems like a weird plot device to choose your next leader.
No
I hated that there were 2 people pure of heart out of like 20, like surely that would be incredibly rare, and also I doubt a politician is pure of heart and dumbledore definitely is not
The Qillin part just makes those vote gone wasted.
Secrets of Dumbledore is one my favorite Harry Potter movies
Maybe the blood oath was just Dumbledore's excuse for not attacking Grindelwald, when in fact the real reason was that he still had feelings for him. He neither looks like someone who was afraid of a blood oath, nor someone who was not smart enough to figure out how to break the blood oath.
Thank you for a refreshing review, I loved the movie and it's pretty horrible to see how so many reviews are tearing it apart, I don't know if to think that I missed something or I'm an idiot... But I'm starting to believe that many of those reviews are biased and following an agenda... The public reviews, after all, are great.
The negative reviews ARE following a specific agenda, to be sure, and most of those reviewers never actually watched the movie, or only snippets of it, or don't understand anything about the wizarding world, so they don't even know what they're critiquing to begin with.
The agenda is one that most people are getting tired of, and yet, it's still being pushed.
Most everyday people without this agenda, actually enjoyed this installment very much, and I'm one of those people.
I'll be very angry if there isn't at least a fourth film, as will a lot of people.
Eh, I felt Jacob could have been so much more. I don't see Dumbledore as the saint they depict him as.
One thing that the Fantastic Beasts movies lacked from the original series is that feeling of being part of a magical world. When we look at the very first Harry Potter movie, it took us into a whole new world, one that was full of wonder and mystery. The filmmakers along with Rowling herself did an excellent job with the world building and created a place in the films that was both fascinating and engrossing. Who among us weren't dazzled when we Harry and his friends entered Hogwarts for the first time? Now compare that to the very first Fantastic Beasts movie, it was set in New York City. Not a part of the city that was magically sequestered like Diagon Alley, with the only locations that even came close to showing us the magical communities of America were the MACUSA office building and the seedy bar that was only featured briefly. And those places were just as mundane as the rest of NYC. Personally I feel NYC is a beautiful setting that has the potential tell just about any story, but we've already seen the place in other movies and TV shows, and while its a beautiful city with a rich history, it is not an enchanting wonderland. This may explain why in the sequels, instead of staying in one place, they've been globe trotting, while also bringing us back to Hogwarts to make up for the fact that they have run out of creative ways to world build new places for us to explore.
Doctor who and russel t davies did the setting better with their daleks in manhattan episodes.
One of my favorite reviews so far. But I have to disagree that Crimes of Grindelwad was a "badly written novel". In fact, I believe it would have worked better as a novel, but obviously not as a film. This video was great in general! Secrets of Dumbledore is not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction. I sincerely hope they make a fourth and - maybe - a fifth film to finish the story.
4:41 hey guy, you gonna read up on the Johnny Depp situation? Turns out Amber Heard was the abusive one, not him.
It’s a little more nuanced than that…
@@FilmSpeak aged like milk
I believe JK Rowling disagrees with the idea that men or male humans can be women. She is not evil or hateful.
I don't think Dumbledore wanted Harry to do all the things you say in the video. Yeah, he believed being challenged was important, but not at the extent of risking his and his friend's life blindly and stupidly.
He didn't want the trio to risk their life protecting the stone (it was 100% secure), he didn't want Harry to fight a XXXXX mosnter which he didn't even know about, He didn't want Harry to look for Sirius, because as far as he knew, he wanted to kill Harry. The movies did him dirty in the goblet of fire, but in the books the trials were presumably 99% secure and monitored. He didn't want to be kicked out of Hogwarts leaving Harry and the school unprotected and he didn't want to risk himself, the DA, and The Order by having to protect Harry at the ministry. Ok, that was partly because of his management of information, but come on, his position was impossible, he had direct the resistance with absolutely everything against him, and he maneged to stay afloat. It wasn't until he knew he was dying that he started seriously training Harry.
Saw this movie and enjoyed it. It actually had a plot and rising action unlike the last one. I wasn't relentlessly bored all the way through.
Tina wasn't purposely written out, Katherine Waterston was pregnant/giving birth during the shooting of the film. Hence her absence.
Considering the terrible box office and almost universal panning this movie got, I'm pretty sure it killed Harry Potter. Well this and...literally everything JK Rowling's done since finishing the books.
I personally thought it was quite bad but it hardly matters, with the poor box office returns a sequel seems very unlikely.
With the downward trend of the franchise's earnings we are unlikely to see anything new from the Wizarding World for a few years.
I really wanted the movie to focus more on the relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald
Also the actress for Tina was pregnant and she couldn’t join the shoot
Can someone please explain why the blood pact was destroyed? Dumbledore's explanation in the movie wasn't that clear
It simply doesnt make sense in-world. They just went with this cause they realised it was a huge mistake to introduce this in the first place.
There’s so many little things in this movie they get wrong about the HP universe but overall great movie
This is exactly what kept me from really enjoying the movie. I’d be getting excited and then they would disregard something from the original hp series
@@santat.4036 like them blocking a Avda kadvera , like cmon man. And that little mirror dimension that they just didn’t explain at all
4:36 Really dude? Slandering a victim of domestic abuse is low. Johnny Depp may have alcohol and drug problems but he’s a victim. Do more research before making such claims.
Definitely my favourite of the franchise! I liked it a lot more than the previous two movies.
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Many of you have rightfully called out my inclusion of Johnny Depp in the behind the scenes controversy in this video and I’d like to take a second and comment on that. Regrettably this video was in fact released before the trial started or possibly the day it started (it was written and recorded weeks prior) and had I heard the specific information that is now coming to light, I wouldn’t have included Johnny Depp in the video or accused him of doing “bad things.” Now granted, we haven’t heard the other side of it in this particular trial, I still think it could be a case where the issue is more complicated, was a case of two people who brought out the worst in each other that blew up into a horrifically toxic mess, but it’s pretty undeniable that Johnny Depp was horribly abused and I apologize for not being more careful and considerate with my words. I understand this situation has been going on far longer than just the current trial and while I considered myself up to date on the information, perhaps I should’ve took a closer look/decided not to throw a line in the script as the story’s still unfolding. The right thing to do is cut that section out of the video so as not to continue spreading misinformation (or oversimplified information). Thank you for holding me accountable and I hope you’ll forgive my mistake.
JESUS
How dare you criticise Rowling for standing up for the rights of women. How dare you
@@polyestermammoth740 uhhhh not all women…trans women are women.
I’m in the minority with my opinion but I think this is the worst out of the three and I preferred Deeps more menacing performance
Fantastic Beasts 3 is a disaster, I only liked the second part (Grindelwald's crimes) without Johnny Depp as the perfect Grindelwald, Warner Bros can save parts 4 & 5! 😢
The lines where Dumbledore says he was “in love” with Grindlewald has been edited out of the film in countries with homophobic governments. So their past romantic relationship doesn’t exist in those versions. Thus the blood pact. No homo, I can’t fight you not because I’m still in love with you but because I made this ridiculous maguffin.
Sorry, what bad thing was JD doing off scene? Are you blaming the victim? Cool to know. For the author is pointless to argue with a person such as you. And Miller wasn't known to be disgusting as of then.
It should be noted that in HP, Dumbledore wouldn't have been able to beat Voldy... so he NEEDED to train Harry... and most of those situations with Harry happened to him REGARDLESS of Dumbledore...
The 2nd most powerful wizard and his army were targeting the boy...
Also, without the blood oath, Dumbledore could still attack Grindelwald... you can fight your lover after all...
And it's not love alone stopping it... because Dumbledore isn't a child and Grindelwald is kinda crossing way too many lines.
In fact, it's the messiness of love that made him make the stupid oath in the first place...
If Grindelwald only had the ideology and didn't murder people on it and nearly kill BILLIONS, then yes, Dumbledore might have stopped... but the dude crossed WAY too many lines...
Remember, Dumbledore loved Harry as his own grandson, yet was willing to let the boy go through hell and back for the sake of the world...
Saved? Beasts #3 cost $200 million to produce, plus another $100 mil to market. It made only $43 million domestic this opening weekend. For reference, Sonic 2 had a $72 million open, The Batman opened with $120 mil and Spiderman made $260 million opening weekend. These Beasts are about to become extinct.
Edit: it's 6 weeks later and it's already on HBO.
There was absolutely no reason for this film to cost more than $125million. The producers really overspent and random background dressing.
You were actually right, the series is cancelled xD
Totally unrelated question, but, what's the font u used for the headlines?
it saved the series cause one thing for sure is NOT seeing johnny depp's nonsensical over the top visuals he requested for the characted that just took away from what we know how grindelwald already looks like in his old age. and mads should've been grindelwald from the beginning. he is so good in the character
This video was brilliant!
I found the movie disconnected and chaotic. I didn't feel it took any time to explain any of the concepts you explained. Your deep dive showed me what this movie COULD have been, not what it actually was.
The way the blood oath is neutralised plays into love being the mental block for Dumbledore to act directly. It’s done in a moment of history repeating, Grindelwald choosing to kill in a situation that hits too close to home for Dumbledore. It’s a line Grindelwald can’t come back from, and he knew both had been caught in a magical mess of spells that cost the life of a Dumbledore Obscurial before so he knew it was personal. Add in that Credence is a halfblood, and Grindelwald is proposing a war based on racial purity (which is why he made a show of torturing Jacob), and he’s past the point of no return.
Not My Grindelwald
I just saw FB3 and absolutely loved it! From a thematic standpoint, it was really captivating. I hope they continue the series.
I think that the blood oath is a representation of his hesitation to act because it breaks when he acts against grindalwald fully
Have read comments about people not being invested in the characters. Part of the original series that Drew people in was that people got to read the stories first-- you understood the story arc-- even if there were surprises and twists. We didn't have that with FB 2 or 3 and all these new characters are very complex.
They shouldn't have named the series Fantastic Beasts, because frankly this whole story end game is going towards Dumbledore and Grindelwald final showdown, and I don't see how Newt will fit into that storyline. They've literally put a sword hanging above themselves with having Newt as the central piece when Dumbledore could've been a better attraction. Sure Newt is an entertaining character, but if Warner had wanted the big bucks, like they're supposed to, they should've had the entire movie made out of Dumbledore POV instead of Newt's. Maybe it's cause Rowling had made the push that it has to be from Newt's perspective.
But yeah this movie writing wise kinda somewhat saved the series, it definitely has more of a Harry Potter feel to it than the first two movies. Maybe because this time the movie isn't solely written by Rowling, which explains things. Like how this movie tossed out the characters that don't really move the story (like Nagini).
I do agree with the people who said that this movie was a bore, because it lacks action and it takes conversation to move the story, which a lot of people find tedious. Unless you are one of the people who are extremely invested into the story.
1:23 not if the box office has anything to say about it
The 3rd film was a good 2hr and 30min nap
JD was doing “a lot of bad shit” yea. No. Lemme help u. Amber was doing bad shit
Exactly
They both were. Two people in a toxic relationship that brought out the worst in each other. It's not all Amber's fault just as it's not all Depp's.
@@Sassywizard you were perhaps the last person I expected to see replying to my comment. A surprise to be sure. But a welcome one
@@FilmSpeak and incorrect once again film speak. Stop vilifying victims for fucks sake dude. It sounds like you’re REALLY trying to stretch far in order to throw blame on him also. It’s rather unwise of you.. I will say I agree with your take for the most part regarding the film itself and I respect you for coming out with such a hot take. But when it comes to Depp well. I’ll give you some advice. Keep trotting that line and you’ll see a lot less subscribers. Especially now that the whole world knows
@@robertallen1392 See my pinned comment. I addressed the section as more information came out during this trial that I was previously unaware of. I do apologize for the harm my words caused. My intention was not to vilify victims. I would never knowingly do so, so I apologize for the misinformation I had regarding the situation. Johnny is undoubtedly a victim of abuse no matter what Amber brings to the table to refute, that much is true and I will be cutting that comment out of the video.
Wait there was a second fantastic beasts?
When I went to cinema i try to remember what the 2nd about and I can’t remember anything
Yes.
I thought Secrets of Dumbledore was just OK. The first 2/3 of the time I spent in the theater left me thinking that I was really not enjoying the movie. Fortunately, the last 1/3 salvaged the film and left me hopeful that we might see another film in the series.
SAme I was very confused watching around the first 2/3rd of the movie. It was a lot of info all at once, the actors for grindelwald and thde german minister looked too similar, and there's the fact that the last movie was released 4 years ago
Yeah we might not be getting another fantastic beasts film after this.
I didn’t think of the blood oath as being that big of an issue. Yes, Dumbledore’s love was enough to keep him from acting, but in the scene with him trying to destroy it and demonstrating that he would die if he were to break the oath shows a broken hearted man who has seen the love of his life going down a dark path. He understood that if the world was to have a chance of defeating Grindelwald, he is the only person who can outwit him. I also think it showed it’s importance for the next movie as to their blood oath being broken; Dumbledore casted a spell of protection while Grindelwald’s was one to kill. The love they shared was reciprocated, but has now turned sour due to the actions of Dumbledore.
I understand that you feel that Fantastic Beasts franchise has tried to mirror characters and story beats from Harry Potter, however that still doesn't detract from the fact that it's just lazy writing and filmmaking.
To try and gloss over the holes in the low quality of these films is just making excuses in my opinion. Many attempts to resonate with the audience fell flat. Also a HUGE plot hole that was made worse in FB 3 was that Credence was told by Grindelwald in FB 2 that Dumbledor was his brother yet in FB 3 is the son of Aberforth. The films forget their own foreshadowing and established lore.
As a huge potter fan I tried to love Fantastic Beasts, I throughly enjoyed the first which was fun and exciting at best but since then it's all been downhill. JK Rowling and WB have no idea what they are doing anymore and they are trampling on the legacy HP left.
Was Fantastic Beasts 3 better than 2? A little.
Does that give it a pass? No.
I loved the second movie, such a masterpiece. The writing and the chemistry was just fantastic, a lot better than most of the Harry Potter films
divergent unfinished quadrilogy > fantastic beast unfinished pentalogy
I liked Crimes of Grindelwald🤷🏾♂️
It was okay. I think saying that it saved the franchise is incorrect though. There's many inconsistencies in this movie, additionally to that, unsatisfactory conclusions to built up story arcs. As I had commented on another video, I was massively detached with the characters due to a lack of empathetic comparisons, I couldn't connect to a lot of them. I loved Jacob, but that's only because it feels like he's the only character that develops, and faces turmoil, everyone else remains somewhat static throughout the film. Mads did a superb job as Grindelwald, and Jude Law as Dumbledore, but they just make Nute feel underwhelmingly unimportant to the story. Because it's not HIS story.
Did anybody have issue with dumbledore’s plan? First, it ignores the fact that he can’t scheme against grindelwald, and second, it doesn’t add to anything. Does anybody feel like the whole premise feels like bullshit?
This was literally my first reaction when that was being set up.
@@mignonhagemeijer3726 haha good to know i’m not the only one, i honestly pay attention the whole movie, but still can’t figure out the throughline of the plan
My biggest complaint with SoD was how weak the villain was portrayed. I normally like Mads but thought he was very Bland and boring to watch.
Speaking of Snape, are we SURE Credence wasn't supposed to be framed as Snape’s maternal grandfather? Just look at Credence in the first movie, the writers were just asking for this connection! Even if it would raise dozens of questions as to why Dumbledore never put 2 and 2 together and not allowed his grand-nephew to be bullied or join a cult....
So basically... Dumbledore made the same mistake twice...
Yep, exactly.
why does newt need a romance? theres nothing wrong with him not being in a relationship...
Have we watched the same movie? This movie was 50% exposition 50% cliche I don't get it
It was fun but I didn’t see that big of an improvement, it had almost no story, no secrets nothing