Hard to say from a UA-cam video what they really look like. The G4 is obviously on a warmer setting and has the contrast cranked up. This gives it more impact in most of the scenes, but the Bravia 9 looks far more natural and digs up a lot more detail in dark areas. That victory should go to the OLED in theory, while the Mini LED will produce brighter highlights in bright scenes, which is hard to translate over a recording.
Pick Bravia 9 if using TV in direct sunlight, afraid of burn-in, or ASBL dimming (high brightness sports). Otherwise don't let the marketing fool you, it's the best LCD LED ever made but the best OLED TVs will almost consistently deliver better picture quality! That said I'd probably take a Bravia 9 over the other models this year because my main use-case is SDR, mostly in a bright room but I still want an impactful HDR experience
@@henrywinters9496 Sony's colour is nearly always the best. Doesn't matter whether it's LCD/LED or OLED, no one else compares. Accurate, natural colours are a major part of picture quality and the only TV that even compares on that front with Sony's B9 would be Sony's recent high-end OLEDs from recent years.
No lcd is good in direct sunlight lol. Have you seen how VA panels spread reflections across the screen? B9 might be best of LCDs but still it’s worse what a95L or g4 does by far. That’s the irony brighter but can’t handle reflections well. Unless you watch sports - where there are none of the dark scenes present then you might not notice them.
@@whitecrowuk575 That's complete nonsense, my ancient-by-now Sony Z9F has no problem in sunlight. LCD's doing good in sunlight because of the extra brightness while OLEDs doing poor in sunlight is an extremely well known fact. And while modern top-end OLEDs can 'show' stuff better in direct sunlight now (but only the top-end ones with like 1500+ nits capability), it's still awful for OLEDs since the sunlight heats up the panel which kills the durability and makes the pixels burn out faster.
Yeah it’s pretty noticeable side by side even on camera doesn’t matter what camera either it’s just easy to spot the difference. On its own though I swear I can forget the Bravia 9 is not an OLED at times and that’s a really good sign for an LCD TV.
P.S. I forgot to ask you - just a suggestion, not sure if it’s possible - is there any way you can upload an HDR version of this comparison? Can your camera capture in LOG format and then you do a quick color grade and output at HDR? I ask because I’ve noticed a few UA-camrs starting doing this, and when watching on an HDR monitor like on a MacBook Pro it might be helpful for viewers to really see the brightness differences. What do you think KG?
Videos are not an accurate represenation of what you actually see in-person. Videos capture things that are not seen by the human eye when it's right in front of you... but it also fails to capture many things that can be seen when it's right there in front of you.
I'm amazed by how passionate people are on youtube about the type of TV they prefer. They'll absolutely attempt to cut down anybody with an alternate opinion. 77" G4 approximately same price as 85" B9...tough decision.
I saw your posts about the Bravia 9 blooming so I decided to get a 65 A80L. I upgraded from a X950G and the main reason was I can’t stand blooming. Loving the contrast of Oled thank you so much for helping me make the decision.
Last year, the 85-inch and 75-inch versions of the X95L model had different display panels, with the 85-inch version having a better panel. Therefore, if you bought the 65-inch or 75-inch X95L, you got a lower-quality panel compared to the 85-inch. How are things this year with the Bravia 9 (XR90)? Does the display quality vary depending on the screen size? Are there any differences in sound or other features based on the screen size?
The whites on the G4 look very green-ish on a reference & calibrated monitor, as opposed to pure whites on the B9. I'm the only one preferring the life-like color rendition of the B9 versus the overly-saturated picture of the G4?
That's incorrect. The B9 over whiten's too many pixels. It's not even close to accurate. LG retains the white in just enough pixels that need it. The colour is fully restored in the areas that need it. Stupid LED TVs making everything look too white...
I find OLEDs often look that way to me, excessively saturated and overly contrasty, crushing blacks. But this may be the mode they are in when I see them. I even noticed it on the Nintendo Switch OLED model. I did not like the look. I didn't like my OLED phone screen either at first, although it looks better to me than OLED TVs. Large bright areas just don't brighten up, and the saturation does not look natural on OLED TVs. If it's supposed to look lke that, then the people mastering the video are not looking at the real world. OLED is awesome for highly saturated colorful graphics with small pinpoint bright spots on black backgrounds. Fireworks at night? OLED awesome! But that's not what I mostly look at. For photos or videos of the real world, Ithink it looks garrish. That said, I've seen OLED look remarkably good in filmmaker mode, other than being kind of dim. Saturation looked correct to me for the first time on an OLED TV. I had to twist the guys arm at the store to get him to put the TVs into filmmaker mode for me, and then he quickly switched back. Was this demo all in filmmaker mode? People say the contrast is lacking on the Mini LED, but I am looking at a mini LED right now, and when I look around my room, there's nothing that looks as contrasty as the TV screen. There's not a dark shadow anywher in the room that seems as dep black as the blacker parts of my screen.
Careful, the s95b loses brightness over time. Even from daylight in the room. They burn in really easy to. The one at Best Buy had to replaced 3 times in a year.
Thanks for your review KG. I do not understand people on AVS forum who criticized your review of Bravia 9. the difference in contrast, especially in game mode is very evident even on youtube.
I get it people get upset if you criticize anything they like, the thing is I like the Bravia 9 too lol I’m just not gonna blindly say it has no flaws hopefully people can see with the torches on the game portion of this video what I mean by “it’s an lcd problem” not exclusive to the Bravia 9. The torches will look like that when moving near them up close too, this kind of thing is noticeable in a lot of dark games with little lighting elements.
I've had mostly OLEDs since the early days when I moved on from Panasonic plasmas, mostly LGs with the exception of a Vizio OLED on a killer sale, which still used an LG panel. I haven't really figured out the Sony Bravia paradigm. It seems like each one is using a different technology, but people seem to love them regardless. I've never strongly considered one because they always seemed to be significantly more expensive than their competitors in a given tier of TVs but weren't significantly outperforming their less expensive competitors.
Leds will die too.. Oleds have change of burn in, which is less nowadays but still a change Leds also fail in a few years of use. Insonsistent brightness, off colors. Rtings did all kinds of longetivity tests on oleds and leds.
@@MadViking824500h LG G2, Dead pixel in bottom left, outside the area of the content. U Can only see it when U don't have source. Warranty 5y ( 2y AT 100% + 3y for the panel only) I'm in the 2nd y . Yeah i'm geek and saw all of Netflix content 😂 New panel coming for free in 7day 🤗
Oled have pixel obitor burn is not an issue pixels aren’t stagnant I wish people would stop thinking this is a concern like it’s a hot ass plasma screen lol takes a year at least for burn in to happen
@@yearlytwomonthly6113 oh really a whole year so my $2000 and up tv will probably be no good in a year that doesn’t sound like money well spent besides just my opinion but I think oled is dead in the next few years anyway qd old is just better
I bought the 77” G4 in mid August & can confirm, the tint isnt like that in person. The LG Dolby Vision is FANTASTIC! I got my professionally calibrated after a few weeks as well, and it looks just as good, if not better than the Sony, with and without the calibration.
I got my 75 inch Bravia 9 delivered yesterday. Spent several hours watching it and all types of content. Granted, I am upgrading from a 13-year-old 55 inch Samsung, but the B9 is absolutely incredible and I am completely blown away by its image, quality brightness, and the way it handles blacks. trust me you will love it
@@KonaLife thanks Kona! I am so looking forward to it I have never had a TV this powerful ever in my life well at the price, my first TV ever was a Westinghouse roku 4k TV that I bought for 300$ and immediately had burn ins so this is a dramatic step up from whatever that was lol
I had an LG G2 a couple years ago, amazing picture. I actually like the darker, warmer tones. It's only an issue if your TV is facing a window, but even then my window was directly next to my TV and I never had any issues seeing the screen. I think that concern is largely overblown.
The only thing I hate about the OLED tvs is that you loose detail in dark parts of the picture. For example, look at the beginning of the video at the flowers; there is a dark gap among the flowers at the right side of the screen. You will see details in the mini led and just black on the oled.
But it's way worse on the opposite scale. The millions of LED's can't be controlled properly resulting in bleed over to other pixels. Too many areas are over brightened. It's clear to see. Because of this you are seeing too much white in a lot of pixels, now you lose contrast, image definition and colour accuracy all becomes washed out and over exaggerated. OLED controls every one of its millions of pixels at the pixel level turning them on and off. The detail and accuracy and all the colour information is where it should be because it's controlled properly.
That’s the exact reason that I’m having trouble choosing between the two. I don’t mind having good contrast between the light and dark on the screen but I don’t want the blacks to crush all the detail either. Both the Bravia 9 and LG G4 looked good in different scenarios that he showed.
KG, please do a stream with a more in-depth comparison like you did with the B9 vs B4, where we can play around with the settings while we compare the two. I can guarantee you tons of ppl would be interested in seeing that. This video was really good, but there are still so many areas to visit such as motion content, SDR gaming while using picture processing, etc
I’m really impressed by this Bravia 9… it’s crazy that people prefer the LG in the comments. They must be biased or only focusing on black levels. The Sony looks much better.
@@mastrorj68 Good for you. The G4 is also a year newer. The A95L will get a software overhaul in 2024 to cath up with the newer releases of other manufacturers.
@@TheEchelon I don't know if this is an overall thing but it's at least a manufacturing issue. All my Sony TVs have perished lol within 2 to 3 years sometimes less than and sometimes I've had multiple of the same. In my Facebook groups I see people saying the same thing about LG and Samsung. These companies really need to ask themselves are we just pumping things out too quickly and going for mass production over quality? Quality control, I should say. I would love a TV to last me 5 to 6 years that you pay more than $1,000 for. My brother still gloats about my 1080p Samsung plasma that I gave him after I moved and how it still turns on. Granted you and I both know there's no way it looks anything as good as even a cheap 4K TV but he swears he still loves that TV lol
@@TheEchelon I should also note that I'm not really bragging about owning so many it's the fact that I've had to have so many switched out through warranty. So I had the A95L and the board was shorting out and it was less than 60 days, it's like wow how are we here with this TV this soon and it's already going out on me and I'm just like I can't do Sony anymore I just can't.
Maybe I missed it but what picture settings was this comparison done because the G4 colors appeared warmer. Both tremendous TVs but I'm sure I can adjust the picture settings to make the Bravia 9's colors warmer.
You like watching too many pixels lit up in white everywhere be my guest. That's not an accurate picture. You brightness people can't be told. Your losing colour and information in the picture because too much white is bleeding into areas it shouldn't.
There's zero reason to worry about burn in at all provided you don't do these things: * play MMOs or competitive multiplayer games where you're playing the same game, worse if you do it in HDR, for hundreds to thousands of hours * leave the tv on news channels all day every day * use your tv as a computer monitor. Even then, you can get away with doing the three of those way more than you can with older OLEDs. My LG B6 from 2017 will show temporary image persistence 10-20 seconds after leaving a window open on Windows desktop (OLED Light setting at 35 which is not that bright for that display). My LG C9 from 2019 with the same settings doesn't show that temporary image persistence at all. I imagine newer OLEDs are even more vastly improved at dealing with those static elements. I still wouldn't risk buying OLED if my primary use case involves any of those three cause I want to keep my tvs for greater than 15 years but it's all up to you. If you want the ultimate home theater tv for mostly movies and tv shows and if you primarily watch in a dark room, a flagship OLED is what you want. No question whatsoever.
Looks like there's a green tint on the G4 all the time? The sky in many scenes doesn't look blue. It looks almost dirty. Is this right or what's going on?
KG thank you so much for making this video! On all scenes containing the color white in this video, the G4's white has a slightly yellow/red tint while the B9 looks pure white. Is this something with the camera or is it also perceptible in person?
@1:20 About the contrast, you're talking about the stones with the darkness/dirt in them. Can the B9 not achieve that look? I know you mentioned there's no advanced contrast enhancer on the B9 which would help OLED-idify the B9? Can it not achieve it through other means? In TKK's video of the A95L and B9, the A95L he switched to Professional and the B9 gained a lot of that contrast. Is there no way to gain the contrast without switching to Professional?
There’s advanced contrast just not in game mode same with Sony OLED TVs. That’s not giving it that look, that’s just the self lit pixels creating that look. If OLED is off you will perceive Bravia 9 to have contrast just not on the same level. When side by side the difference is noticeable.
@@TechWithKG Yeah, I just watched the Reflections and Scene of Kyoto from Sony pausing 600 times. No wonder I can't get rid of that LED. 😂 I think the B9 should be the A95L's equal in contrast in daylight especially in SDR. After all, you'd expect that from a true flagship Sony that's 10 years newer and has a new backlight panel and better panel technology. Someone should compare the A95L in HDR vs the B9 in SDR just for kicks - that would be a fun comparison actually.
i think I made a great choice with the 77 inch G4, I just don't see myself going back to LED in it's current form. for me the pictures looked better on the LG with some exceptions.
Bravia 9 for Sports and Gaming in SDR, ive got a QD-OLED TV in the bedroom and a QD-Oled gaming monitor. Biggest factor is SDR handling and burn-in risk after using the TV for the entire day on Sundays.
KG - there is a video online of the X95L vs the A95L - I think you should watch it because it because it has a lot of dirty walls and streets which is the contrast you're talking about. That one used DV Bright modes on both. The B9 is such a puzzling TV - it better have an image of subtitles that destroys the X95L's image on Ratings cause the B7 did not do well against the X93L in that image.
In some scenes I think the Bravia 9 actually won. But in Darker scenes with specular highlights added and. Just the overall OLED experience is just going to be better. It's kind of like once you own a Porsche you just can't go back.
The correct answer is to get a Sony OLED. You get the image processing, the upscaling, and still get the amazing OLED experience as well. I have 2 Sony OLEDs and will not be going back to LED any time soon.
Someone might decapitate me for saying that I prefer the Bravia 9 85" over the G4 83". I had them both for a month and went back and forth. Only when they're side-by-side and you're nitpicking can you think for a second that the Bravia 9 can't keep up, when in fact it really depends on you environment and content/purpose.
Guys im in the same exact boat here trying to decide between these two and kinda/sorta thinking the B9 just has that extra special something in person at the store (especially when viewing a movie scene) -- do you think the B9 85" would do fine in a basement setting or will it get so bright I have to turn it down?
@@mrjojo2836 For HDR there's two important options to go between: Tone Mapping "Brightness Preferred" or "Gradation Preferred". Those are going to make the biggest overall difference in how bright the picture is. I have a dark room and choose "Gradation Preferred" or sometimes even turn off the tonemapping. You're going to love the Bravia 9!
This truly was a great review!!! 🎉. I watch tv two ways… movies/streaming I have to change all the settings to movie mode, warm, etc. during the day I may watch dish network on vivid/dynamic mode 🎉. Thank you for covering all aspects. 🎉
I was as well but I decided that the 3d clarity, superior viewing angles and OLED contrast put the G4 over the Bravia 9 for my use case. I'm in a light-controlled room so the Bravia 9 brightness is not a factor and I have a 7.1 surround system, so I won't be using the TV speakers. The best thing to do is see what features stand out to you between the two. Also, I would wait until Black Friday to get the best price on either TV.
For a couple hours every day Amazon has the 77” G3 for 2700 new. It’s hard to even tell them apart. Save the money and in a few years when lg comes out with the fix for the blue pixel you can buy that model.
Honestly, I'd like to see the G4 properly calibrated. It's an amazing panel, but I know what a reference monitor looks like and the G4 is clearly oversaturating colors and crushing blacks in this comparision, which leads to people here thinking It's Oled's better contrast. Also, these Woleds have a weird blue-ish tint.
Strong case for the Bravia 9, but the downfalls in game mode limit its potential, based on my preferences anyway. Each have their pros and cons, that's for sure.
Interesting how these things vary from video to video. For example, Brian's Tech Therapy has a video between the 65" A95L and 65" Bravia 9, and the contrast between the two loos closer in that video that they do here between the G4 and B9.
Which one would be better for the living room watching sports? I was leaning towards the B9 85 inch, but really like the G4. I’m concern about the G4 being to glossy in a brighter room.
I am older with some vision loss. I prefer a brighter screen but need a really good side viewing in a large room. There is usually some amount of light in the room. No gaming, just movies, tv shows and sports. Which tv at around 85” would make me the happiest?
G4 well calibrated. IMHO. Still the best off angle viewing and contrast is with OLED. My caveat would be that if you mainly watch news channels with static images or bars for long periods of time you could risk image retention down the road and it might be worth giving up some off angle performance and contrast for what could be more longevity. We probably won’t know the actual longevity of QLED for some time. Not an expert.
Of note, some of us already have the 75" Bravia 9, and it appears to be a significantly better panel. Zero DSE, very minimal blooming, etc. We will know more as more owners get the 75" and 85" sizes into their hands.
How about gray slides like 5% etc, or using a game like sea of thieves and panning through the sky? If you’re enjoying the TV and you don’t see it in real content please dont check it though definitely wouldn’t recommend it if you’re liking a TV unless something creeps up in real content.
Mini LED any day baby! I've got a slightly older mini LED (a Hisense U8) and recently I bought an LG C4. After calibration, I still much prefer the U8 over the C4. The only advantage really is that I use the C4 in my bedroom where it's double duty as a monitor and TV, whereas the U8 is in my den which has a ton of natural light. The OLED's response time is better for gaming and the lower brightness is okay since it's close to my eyes and I usually have the blinds closed. But for media, I still prefer watching on the U8 (and not because it's much larger). It's hard to go back after you've been spoiled by the brightness. My C4 just feels so dark in comparison.
freakn love mini led. Year round in huge snowstorms or brightest days you get the same picture quality either way. Sadly with oled I had to close my blinds in sunny days or turn off every light during winter to not see quality loss due to oleds weakness which is low brightness and glare.
Your talking rubbish. My 2019 OLED has plenty of brightness for any eyes in a bright room. LED's generate too much brightness and too many pixels suffer the white inflammation bleed over. It ruins the contrast and detail definition is lost as a result, colour accuracy is also lost due to too much white where it shouldn't be. It's an overblown mess. LED'S can't be controlled properly, until they get pixel level on or off. It's just not accurate. The latest OLED are way way way bright enough. The Brightness is where it should be, correct information in the correct place. Too much white and brightness just ruins. It's like somebody devoid of all emotion ...
Hey KG! Loved your video. Zelda looked like it played better on Bravia 9 so did Elden Ring. Would you say the Bravia is good for anime too? If so, it looks like I will be buying the Bravia 9.
I was planning on waiting for Black Friday to buy either a B9 or G4, but I got a crazy deal on a 77" S90C. 90% of the time I'll be on the PS5 or the Apple TV 4K, so I think OLED was the right choice.
If your environment is light controlled definitely an OLED TV really you can't go wrong with any one of them from Sony, Samsung, or LG they all do movies great!
@@TechWithKG thank you. TBH, got a G4 but had 2 faulty panels and as much as I love the picture quality on g4, now I am bit concerned about it and don’t have it in me to keep it as much as I think it’s a great tv, so my alternative wasn’t Bravia 8 but Bravia 9.
That’s unfortunate what was faulty about it exactly? If you ruled out the G4 look at S95D or A95L. Bravia 9 is great but it’s not as good because of its limits with the panel technology.
@@TechWithKG so the the first tv had these vertical lines going across the panel. You could see them on a black background; about 2-4 inches thick and they seemed shadowy. They were really visible when I took a photo of the screen. At Best Buy they said it’s a faulty panel and were willing to exchange it, which was really nice of them. New tv arrived on Saturday morning and as soon as it was installed and turned on, thin lines were showing vertically all across the panel with three being very inky in colour and could be seen in every scene. I was offered Bravia 9 for the same price and delivery is scheduled in two weeks. As of today, all the lines are now miraculously gone and tv looks great. I love OLED picture quality, have my reservations towards Samsung as I always had issues with their panels and appliances so I rather pass, although both s90d and 95d look great. I owned many Sony TVs over the years and they still function, never had any issues; also I own a Sony sound bar so those are the main reasons for Bravia 9; same cost as G4 with some sacrifice in contrast. I thought g4 was a perfect pick, cheaper than a95l, OLED, and most likely better than B9. I hear people write how they bought 85” B9 or 83”g4, 77” a95l, and good for them, but I stretched my tv budget with this purchase and need to make sure it is worth the money spent. Sorry for the long rant, your interest and reply were greatly appreciated.
@@TechWithKG thanks again for commenting; I replied but not sure what happened to my comment, it disappeared. In a nutshell, first panel had grey bars all over the screen, second one had visible thin inky lines (one on each side of the screen). At Best Buy they told me it could have been from the styrofoam being clamped when tv was moved in the wear house. Miraculously, those lines disappeared after couple of days. Saw your reviews on Samsung S95D and is 25% off at Best Buy. Completely lost now as it’s a lot of money and between B9, S95D, G4, they all have their strengths but Sony for me personally is a most reliable brand, but I really wanted an OLED tv. Not sure if OLEDs still dim down in bright scenes over few minutes. Anyway, any suggestion is welcomed.
I really need you to confirm this - while you've talked about the G4 weakness in bright SDR scenes, a lot of the scenes you show here seem to suggest that the G4 is significantly brighter, even in full screen bright outdoor and mostly white scenes (like in 4:034:33 and 3:50 ). I understood that these are HDR rather than SDR scenes, and that your description should take priority over the image show but since you haven't mention anything about these, I'll just need you to confirm whether these are the expected behaviour of the 2 TVs. Because, if true, even when limited only to HDR, that would be a seriously impressive feat from LG (or a seriously disappointing result from Sony, depends on how you look at it.) These are some of the scenes I would have a hard time beliving that an OLED could get anywhere close to an LCD when it comes to brightness and colour volume from just a few years back.
Sorry it lined up that way, only SDR I showed in this video was the Zelda portion of the gaming footage I had more SDR shot but camera was out of focus for it mistakenly so I scrapped it. I can confirm SDR is much brighter on the Bravia 9.
Every scene you stamped would be brighter on the 9. His settings are probably more natural. Probably gradation preference over brightness. Active contrast off. You can push the brightness to levels no Oled can reach
I know that I shouldn’t anecdotally/visually judge a tv from a YT vid - but the gradients, brightness, and the shadow detail looks remarkable on the Bravia 9. The G4 has better granular pixel level contrast though.
Thank you. Its not a 4,000 nit TV I have seen most peak brightness measurements be closer to 2,700 nits for HDR peak. Also its brightness is only ever present when content is demanding it. Not much content really has scenes pushing a ton of brightness.
3:08 is where the Bravia 9 shines due to its higher brightness I would probably eat the Bravia 9 pizza over the other due to how it looks. But the G4 eats it in contrast and colors on most scenes.
@@danielkudo4800 Yeah I’m pretty sure the Bravia 9 has very high color range like the G4 but for some reason the colors on the G4 pop more maybe it’s due to the contrast and Oled attributes. I bet on dynamic mode the mini led is way brighter but dynamic is really a horrible preset to watch movies on and should never be used.
I'm getting the Bravia 9. I have the a90j and while I like it, I miss the brightness, especially in sdr. I rarely see real blacks in real life, and to me, mini led generally produces a more realistic window like picture to my eye. For gaming, I'll survive not having instant pixel response. I want to see my games shine again. I have govee t2s in dreamview always running in my theater room as well so i never watch in a pitch black room. Down to it, we have two stellar options to pick, and I'm happy about that
Given the Bravia 9 at 75" costs £4K, an extra £200 over the LG G3 75" (G4 not yet available in the UK), I'd rather have the G3 OLED all day long. I'm not saying the Bravia 9 is a bad TV, but it's massively overpriced. The 77" Sony A80L OLED is £2900.
Guys, what you are being enthusiast about on the G4 on the videos is mainly its vivid contrast compared to the less saturated image on the B9. Only a few people though pointed out that those LG colors are totally off: there is a permanent green-ish tint that brings out unnatural scenes. It's ok to have strong contrasts but keeping consistency with the original source and intent of the videomaker is even more important to me (think of what we see at the cinema, no OLED there but still great experience). I believe that a properly calibrated B9 will reduce the gap even more and win easily, at least against the LG panel.
Really liked this vid and your style. Subbed. I will probably buy the 77 inch C3…live in an apartment, but my 2016 C6 has big burn in in the bottom 1/4 or 1/5. I can’t stand it, more than I can’t stand losing 3D…at this point.
I have an OLED that is approx 7 years old, it has a truely amazing picture, but my wife watches a lot of Netflix with the subtitles on and the subtitles area of the screen is worn and discoloured, that is definitely a drawback. I don’t believe it is image burn because the subtitles change often, it seems like that part of the screen is worn due to displaying a lot of white. I would love a TV that doesn’t wear but it is very hard for me to move away from OLED and the incredible image quality.
I feel and think the same way until I saw the Sony Bravia B9 in person and decided to purchase the 75 inch for my bedroom 😂 bye-bye oled. i have replaced 2 panels on my LG Oled due to burn in.
Bravia 9 looked better in many scenes, more shadow details, sharper. Run this test in a brighter living room where most people watch tv and watch HDR content which is what this TV was made for.
Run it it in a brighter room and enjoy vertical reflections across the screen. Lol. Va panel reflections are worse than on an oled panel so to me this argument is amiss.
@@whitecrowuk575 Worse than an VA panel, good one. Oled are not good bright room, living room TV period. Not bright enough not even the G4, picture quality takes a hit they look too dim, not enough brightness, contrast don't look as good and blacks looks grey. QD-oled are even worst.
The thumbnail is a show that comes out at 9pm est. The suggestion is that people paying this amount of money for a TV are using the screen for more than daytime soap operas, and have the ability to control lighting.
@@jimdshea I replaced my S95C for a X95L, better overall picture, more shadow details, better color acuracy, better processing and in broad daylight even the blacks are inkier.
While I can cetainly appreciate that OLED will have better contrast all the time, I think almost all modern mid range or higher LED or mini LED tvs will be more than enough for the average non discerning consumer. I used to be really picky and could not replace my Panasonic ST60 as my main viewing TV until I got a Sony X90L. The overall picture is better and while I do notice slightly elevated black levels in some dark scenes compared to my ST60 it's not a deal breaker. I wanted OLED but the risk of burn in is too much for me. A lot of people said modern plasmas (at the time) would no longer have that problem yet I still got persistent image retention that would last for a long time. I would have to run screen wipes and pixel shifters for several hours and even then I'd still see remnants of IR. For me, the slightly elevated black levels are worth the trade off of not having to babysit my tv. I'm sure the higher end QLED and Mini LED tvs would ensure I don't feel the upgrade bug for some time.
I had image retention on my plasma but have had an LG C9 for many years and have had none. I will say the issues with plasma made me more careful and so I’ve never spent many hours watching channels with static bars or logos which really hasn’t been a problem for me since I got rid of cable. The picture quality is still fantastic and I can only detect minor banding by taking a photo of a 95% black screen and then drastically boosting the exposure. So I can see there is some wear but not noticeable while viewing. Also, I have to have the wide viewing angle on occasion and nothing is better than OLED for that.
Nice video...what would you say should be the upgrade path with current tvs being a 65in c1 and a 77in a80j? I still have a 3d tv active in the household as well.
You need to play with the settings on the Bravia 9 and the G4 is crushing the blacks and it's colors are over saturated. I've seen several professional reviews comparing these two TVs and there is not a huge difference.
It's really tough to compare two different TV's from two different brands. The G4 in this comparison looks better in contrast but that not actually might be the case in real life. I think the settings of the TV plays an important role when comparing side by side and in this comparison the settings are favoring the G4 alot more than it should as the contrast difference shouldn't be this great between these two TV's. That said I think the Bravia 9 would look much better than how it looks in comparison to G4 in this video if they both were used with the same/similar settings and when viewed through the naked eyes and not through a camera lens.
Thanks KG. Based on my usecase (movies, streaming, sports, dont game - period, daily tropical sunlight) I will get the Bravia 9. Because of this and the caribbean heat I will not get the G4 given the increased burning risk. I wont miss the better contrast as I will only have 1 tv to look at and never owned an OLED. The B9's low bit rate capability will counter the compared lower contrast.
@@winwincsk The G4 is a great tv but that black crush is really noticeable. I’m surprised none of the reviewer’s have made any criticisms about it. Lg has always had this problem with their TVs.
I've been debating between the B9 and G4 for a bit, not sure if Sony's processing is worth not going the OLED route for the difference in picture quality. Curious your take on it.
Was the contrast enhancer off on the Bravia 9? The LG is better but seems to crush blacks. The Sony seems more detailed with it’s slightly raised blacks.
The brightness levels are just part of the equation, sure the Bravia 9 is a lot brighter but the G4 has infinite contrast and in a lot of scenes it will look brighter due to the delta between brightest and dimmest zones. I legitimately believe that an oled at 600nits can look brighter than an IPS at 1000nits.
you cant tell by watching a video on youtube... its like viewing a video of a high end speaker and using 10€ headphones to listen to it saying it sounds good...
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Hard to say from a UA-cam video what they really look like. The G4 is obviously on a warmer setting and has the contrast cranked up. This gives it more impact in most of the scenes, but the Bravia 9 looks far more natural and digs up a lot more detail in dark areas. That victory should go to the OLED in theory, while the Mini LED will produce brighter highlights in bright scenes, which is hard to translate over a recording.
I appreciate these short videos every now and then.
Pick Bravia 9 if using TV in direct sunlight, afraid of burn-in, or ASBL dimming (high brightness sports). Otherwise don't let the marketing fool you, it's the best LCD LED ever made but the best OLED TVs will almost consistently deliver better picture quality!
That said I'd probably take a Bravia 9 over the other models this year because my main use-case is SDR, mostly in a bright room but I still want an impactful HDR experience
wrong! G4's colour is terrible, and can not reproduce sunny day lights, contrast alone is not enough!
@@mikej7648 the colour isn't perfect, but terrible is too harsh. I could understand picking a QD OLED over it if you're a hardcore colour enthusiast
@@henrywinters9496 Sony's colour is nearly always the best. Doesn't matter whether it's LCD/LED or OLED, no one else compares. Accurate, natural colours are a major part of picture quality and the only TV that even compares on that front with Sony's B9 would be Sony's recent high-end OLEDs from recent years.
No lcd is good in direct sunlight lol. Have you seen how VA panels spread reflections across the screen? B9 might be best of LCDs but still it’s worse what a95L or g4 does by far. That’s the irony brighter but can’t handle reflections well.
Unless you watch sports - where there are none of the dark scenes present then you might not notice them.
@@whitecrowuk575 That's complete nonsense, my ancient-by-now Sony Z9F has no problem in sunlight. LCD's doing good in sunlight because of the extra brightness while OLEDs doing poor in sunlight is an extremely well known fact. And while modern top-end OLEDs can 'show' stuff better in direct sunlight now (but only the top-end ones with like 1500+ nits capability), it's still awful for OLEDs since the sunlight heats up the panel which kills the durability and makes the pixels burn out faster.
From the first 30 seconds I knew the Bravia 9 was on the left. You can tell the contrast differences immediately on the OLED. :)
Yeah it’s pretty noticeable side by side even on camera doesn’t matter what camera either it’s just easy to spot the difference. On its own though I swear I can forget the Bravia 9 is not an OLED at times and that’s a really good sign for an LCD TV.
@@TechWithKG You are 100% correct!
P.S. I forgot to ask you - just a suggestion, not sure if it’s possible - is there any way you can upload an HDR version of this comparison? Can your camera capture in LOG format and then you do a quick color grade and output at HDR? I ask because I’ve noticed a few UA-camrs starting doing this, and when watching on an HDR monitor like on a MacBook Pro it might be helpful for viewers to really see the brightness differences. What do you think KG?
Videos are not an accurate represenation of what you actually see in-person. Videos capture things that are not seen by the human eye when it's right in front of you... but it also fails to capture many things that can be seen when it's right there in front of you.
Eventually this is the plan with my camera, but I want to do it properly so I’m gonna get a new monitor for grading first before I go this route.
I'm amazed by how passionate people are on youtube about the type of TV they prefer. They'll absolutely attempt to cut down anybody with an alternate opinion. 77" G4 approximately same price as 85" B9...tough decision.
I saw your posts about the Bravia 9 blooming so I decided to get a 65 A80L. I upgraded from a X950G and the main reason was I can’t stand blooming. Loving the contrast of Oled thank you so much for helping me make the decision.
I don't mind blooming but moved to OLED because it is very hard to get an LED witjout dirty screen effect
@@007GoldenLion It’s very noticeable in hockey my old one had a bit of DSE but I even notice better motion too. Sports look so smooth.
Last year, the 85-inch and 75-inch versions of the X95L model had different display panels, with the 85-inch version having a better panel. Therefore, if you bought the 65-inch or 75-inch X95L, you got a lower-quality panel compared to the 85-inch. How are things this year with the Bravia 9 (XR90)? Does the display quality vary depending on the screen size? Are there any differences in sound or other features based on the screen size?
The whites on the G4 look very green-ish on a reference & calibrated monitor, as opposed to pure whites on the B9. I'm the only one preferring the life-like color rendition of the B9 versus the overly-saturated picture of the G4?
That's incorrect. The B9 over whiten's too many pixels. It's not even close to accurate. LG retains the white in just enough pixels that need it. The colour is fully restored in the areas that need it. Stupid LED TVs making everything look too white...
@@MaxPower-zp7wy No, the G4 picture is too saturated, the B9 looks more natural.
Btw it doesn’t look this exaggerated in real life honestly it only picks up on camera
In reality, white on lg OLED is white as snow + LG can be configured as Sony, Samsung or something neutral.... Lg OLED is the most versatile TV
I find OLEDs often look that way to me, excessively saturated and overly contrasty, crushing blacks. But this may be the mode they are in when I see them. I even noticed it on the Nintendo Switch OLED model. I did not like the look. I didn't like my OLED phone screen either at first, although it looks better to me than OLED TVs. Large bright areas just don't brighten up, and the saturation does not look natural on OLED TVs. If it's supposed to look lke that, then the people mastering the video are not looking at the real world. OLED is awesome for highly saturated colorful graphics with small pinpoint bright spots on black backgrounds. Fireworks at night? OLED awesome! But that's not what I mostly look at. For photos or videos of the real world, Ithink it looks garrish. That said, I've seen OLED look remarkably good in filmmaker mode, other than being kind of dim. Saturation looked correct to me for the first time on an OLED TV. I had to twist the guys arm at the store to get him to put the TVs into filmmaker mode for me, and then he quickly switched back. Was this demo all in filmmaker mode? People say the contrast is lacking on the Mini LED, but I am looking at a mini LED right now, and when I look around my room, there's nothing that looks as contrasty as the TV screen. There's not a dark shadow anywher in the room that seems as dep black as the blacker parts of my screen.
For me 85 inch bravia 9 in my bright living room and move my 65 inch s95b into the dark bedroom, best of both worlds. 😊
Careful, the s95b loses brightness over time. Even from daylight in the room. They burn in really easy to. The one at Best Buy had to replaced 3 times in a year.
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Thanks for your review KG. I do not understand people on AVS forum who criticized your review of Bravia 9. the difference in contrast, especially in game mode is very evident even on youtube.
They're angry that he has high standards.
I get it people get upset if you criticize anything they like, the thing is I like the Bravia 9 too lol I’m just not gonna blindly say it has no flaws hopefully people can see with the torches on the game portion of this video what I mean by “it’s an lcd problem” not exclusive to the Bravia 9. The torches will look like that when moving near them up close too, this kind of thing is noticeable in a lot of dark games with little lighting elements.
If u take the G4 out of game mode u lose some input lag but can get the vibranr pq that is close to the B9
I've had mostly OLEDs since the early days when I moved on from Panasonic plasmas, mostly LGs with the exception of a Vizio OLED on a killer sale, which still used an LG panel. I haven't really figured out the Sony Bravia paradigm. It seems like each one is using a different technology, but people seem to love them regardless. I've never strongly considered one because they always seemed to be significantly more expensive than their competitors in a given tier of TVs but weren't significantly outperforming their less expensive competitors.
Thanks!
Thank you for your support! I answered your question in the other comment btw
The B9 looks really good without the worry of burn 🔥 in
Leds will die too..
Oleds have change of burn in, which is less nowadays but still a change
Leds also fail in a few years of use. Insonsistent brightness, off colors.
Rtings did all kinds of longetivity tests on oleds and leds.
@@MadViking82Don’t forget aggressive ABL of the OLEDs
@@MadViking824500h LG G2, Dead pixel in bottom left, outside the area of the content. U Can only see it when U don't have source.
Warranty 5y ( 2y AT 100% + 3y for the panel only)
I'm in the 2nd y . Yeah i'm geek and saw all of Netflix content 😂
New panel coming for free in 7day 🤗
Oled have pixel obitor burn is not an issue pixels aren’t stagnant I wish people would stop thinking this is a concern like it’s a hot ass plasma screen lol takes a year at least for burn in to happen
@@yearlytwomonthly6113 oh really a whole year so my $2000 and up tv will probably be no good in a year that doesn’t sound like money well spent besides just my opinion but I think oled is dead in the next few years anyway qd old is just better
The yellow tint the lg g4 has, can that be adjusted? Certain scenes the colors look so wrong
I bought the 77” G4 in mid August & can confirm, the tint isnt like that in person. The LG Dolby Vision is FANTASTIC! I got my professionally calibrated after a few weeks as well, and it looks just as good, if not better than the Sony, with and without the calibration.
@@vKingLouie bro bravia 9 vs g4 which one do u recommend?
So helpful side by side video. Just the contrast alone makes any oled triumph over mini-leds
100%
I'm still waiting on my Bravia 9 😕 I want it now... 😞
Gross.
@@vinnie97 calm down Nancy I'm still getting an OLED 🥴
I got my 75 inch Bravia 9 delivered yesterday. Spent several hours watching it and all types of content. Granted, I am upgrading from a 13-year-old 55 inch Samsung, but the B9 is absolutely incredible and I am completely blown away by its image, quality brightness, and the way it handles blacks. trust me you will love it
@@KonaLife thanks Kona! I am so looking forward to it I have never had a TV this powerful ever in my life well at the price, my first TV ever was a Westinghouse roku 4k TV that I bought for 300$ and immediately had burn ins so this is a dramatic step up from whatever that was lol
@@vinnie97are you looking at the mirror
May I ask one question. Did you calibrate these two TVs or you used the settings from the manufactures? Thank you.
Excellent comparison, thank you. In the end, it's one tech vs the other and which one you prefer.
Yup two really great TVs I’d be happy with either if I could only have one TV in the house. There’s definitely trade offs with both.
I had an LG G2 a couple years ago, amazing picture. I actually like the darker, warmer tones. It's only an issue if your TV is facing a window, but even then my window was directly next to my TV and I never had any issues seeing the screen. I think that concern is largely overblown.
Comparisons like this make me chuckle.
They are like comparing hifi systems by listening on your phone.
I also wondered that. Especially when they were playing tv advertisements on other TVs.
hear the guy speaking
I remember at the advent of DVD they advertised it on VHS. 'DVD looks and sounds like this!'
When do you have a high-end LG phone, you can do that
@@stealthis
I think not.
The only thing I hate about the OLED tvs is that you loose detail in dark parts of the picture. For example, look at the beginning of the video at the flowers; there is a dark gap among the flowers at the right side of the screen. You will see details in the mini led and just black on the oled.
I have both tech and this is not the only thing, a 100% window light scene is way dimmer on oled.
But it's way worse on the opposite scale. The millions of LED's can't be controlled properly resulting in bleed over to other pixels. Too many areas are over brightened. It's clear to see. Because of this you are seeing too much white in a lot of pixels, now you lose contrast, image definition and colour accuracy all becomes washed out and over exaggerated. OLED controls every one of its millions of pixels at the pixel level turning them on and off. The detail and accuracy and all the colour information is where it should be because it's controlled properly.
Oleds to the best transitioning from bright to dark. The detail in the dark scenes should be great on the g4 with the new processor.
That’s the exact reason that I’m having trouble choosing between the two. I don’t mind having good contrast between the light and dark on the screen but I don’t want the blacks to crush all the detail either. Both the Bravia 9 and LG G4 looked good in different scenarios that he showed.
KG, please do a stream with a more in-depth comparison like you did with the B9 vs B4, where we can play around with the settings while we compare the two. I can guarantee you tons of ppl would be interested in seeing that. This video was really good, but there are still so many areas to visit such as motion content, SDR gaming while using picture processing, etc
B4?
@@EverydayElectronics23 Yes, he a did a stream comparing the Bravia 9 with the LG B4
Nobody gives a crap about the B4
Sony has shown its difference again. TVs with the best image processor among Panasonic and Sony TVs
I’m really impressed by this Bravia 9… it’s crazy that people prefer the LG in the comments. They must be biased or only focusing on black levels. The Sony looks much better.
I've had 6 high-end don't TVs including a95L. I've had my G4 for 3 days and so far I'm choosing the G4.
@@mastrorj68 Good for you. The G4 is also a year newer. The A95L will get a software overhaul in 2024 to cath up with the newer releases of other manufacturers.
@@TheEchelon I don't know if this is an overall thing but it's at least a manufacturing issue. All my Sony TVs have perished lol within 2 to 3 years sometimes less than and sometimes I've had multiple of the same. In my Facebook groups I see people saying the same thing about LG and Samsung. These companies really need to ask themselves are we just pumping things out too quickly and going for mass production over quality? Quality control, I should say. I would love a TV to last me 5 to 6 years that you pay more than $1,000 for. My brother still gloats about my 1080p Samsung plasma that I gave him after I moved and how it still turns on. Granted you and I both know there's no way it looks anything as good as even a cheap 4K TV but he swears he still loves that TV lol
@@TheEchelon I should also note that I'm not really bragging about owning so many it's the fact that I've had to have so many switched out through warranty. So I had the A95L and the board was shorting out and it was less than 60 days, it's like wow how are we here with this TV this soon and it's already going out on me and I'm just like I can't do Sony anymore I just can't.
My 65 inch XH95 panel is going out Sony have offered me this K-65XR90 looks very good will defo take offer
The G4 seems to have a picture setting with a yellow tint. What did you change?
Maybe I missed it but what picture settings was this comparison done because the G4 colors appeared warmer. Both tremendous TVs but I'm sure I can adjust the picture settings to make the Bravia 9's colors warmer.
Yes, the picture settings are clearly in favor of the G4!
Great video KG. Surely the main one of the year. I perfered the whites on the B9. I also watch a lot of sdr and do sdr gaming so its the B9 here
You like watching too many pixels lit up in white everywhere be my guest. That's not an accurate picture. You brightness people can't be told. Your losing colour and information in the picture because too much white is bleeding into areas it shouldn't.
Not all about contrast bud. The brightness is important too@@MaxPower-zp7wy
For the comparison, what picture modes and settings was each TV in?
I love the G4, but never had an Oled and keep hearing about burn-in. Is it really that big of a problem? Does warranty cover it? Can I avoid it?
Oled burn in isn’t a big issue as it used to be, plus the G4 comes with a 5 year screen burn warranty
No burn in for me so far
There's zero reason to worry about burn in at all provided you don't do these things:
* play MMOs or competitive multiplayer games where you're playing the same game, worse if you do it in HDR, for hundreds to thousands of hours
* leave the tv on news channels all day every day
* use your tv as a computer monitor.
Even then, you can get away with doing the three of those way more than you can with older OLEDs. My LG B6 from 2017 will show temporary image persistence 10-20 seconds after leaving a window open on Windows desktop (OLED Light setting at 35 which is not that bright for that display). My LG C9 from 2019 with the same settings doesn't show that temporary image persistence at all. I imagine newer OLEDs are even more vastly improved at dealing with those static elements. I still wouldn't risk buying OLED if my primary use case involves any of those three cause I want to keep my tvs for greater than 15 years but it's all up to you.
If you want the ultimate home theater tv for mostly movies and tv shows and if you primarily watch in a dark room, a flagship OLED is what you want. No question whatsoever.
Looks like there's a green tint on the G4 all the time? The sky in many scenes doesn't look blue. It looks almost dirty. Is this right or what's going on?
KG thank you so much for making this video! On all scenes containing the color white in this video, the G4's white has a slightly yellow/red tint while the B9 looks pure white. Is this something with the camera or is it also perceptible in person?
It’s more camera
Which one produces colors closer to the master monitor?
I don’t have a mastering monitor but I’m guessing neither get that close without calibration.
Why does the g4 look like it has a yellow or green tint in a lot of the comparisons? Was reminded of the matrix
Warm mode by default - it needed calibration
@1:20 About the contrast, you're talking about the stones with the darkness/dirt in them. Can the B9 not achieve that look? I know you mentioned there's no advanced contrast enhancer on the B9 which would help OLED-idify the B9? Can it not achieve it through other means?
In TKK's video of the A95L and B9, the A95L he switched to Professional and the B9 gained a lot of that contrast. Is there no way to gain the contrast without switching to Professional?
There’s advanced contrast just not in game mode same with Sony OLED TVs. That’s not giving it that look, that’s just the self lit pixels creating that look. If OLED is off you will perceive Bravia 9 to have contrast just not on the same level. When side by side the difference is noticeable.
@@TechWithKG What's title of the geisha video? I'll do a side-by-side with my LED and OLED. Maybe I need an OLED Tv 🙂
@@TechWithKG Yeah, I just watched the Reflections and Scene of Kyoto from Sony pausing 600 times. No wonder I can't get rid of that LED. 😂
I think the B9 should be the A95L's equal in contrast in daylight especially in SDR. After all, you'd expect that from a true flagship Sony that's 10 years newer and has a new backlight panel and better panel technology.
Someone should compare the A95L in HDR vs the B9 in SDR just for kicks - that would be a fun comparison actually.
Correct comparison between
sony bravia9 vs samsung qn95d
How anyone can't see how mini LED picture quality is washed out is beyond me. I went OLED (Sony A80L and Bravia 8) and would absolutely buy it again.
Compared this video to other comparison video, this video’s difference is quite significant. Wait for Vincent’s video to see if it is that much.
Looking forward to this!
I’ve see no trails or backlight flux on my 75. Wish you could’ve tested bigger sizes
Debating on grabbing the 85-inch and the new sound bar. Coming from OLED LG"s. I'm done with burn in have replaced 2 panels. 👎
i think I made a great choice with the 77 inch G4, I just don't see myself going back to LED in it's current form. for me the pictures looked better on the LG with some exceptions.
That's what you say to reassure you, the G4 is not future proof.
@@tshaolin971 and the Bravia 9 is? no one said the G4 was. no TV is future proof, ndw ones are released every year.
@@tshaolin971 I don’t think any technology could be future proof unless you enjoy holding yourself back from the best
Bravia 9 for Sports and Gaming in SDR, ive got a QD-OLED TV in the bedroom and a QD-Oled gaming monitor.
Biggest factor is SDR handling and burn-in risk after using the TV for the entire day on Sundays.
Coming from a plasma which one in your opinion has best plasma like motion?
Sony no doubt.
KG - there is a video online of the X95L vs the A95L - I think you should watch it because it because it has a lot of dirty walls and streets which is the contrast you're talking about. That one used DV Bright modes on both. The B9 is such a puzzling TV - it better have an image of subtitles that destroys the X95L's image on Ratings cause the B7 did not do well against the X93L in that image.
Saw like a thousand reviews, saw all of the tv's I was interested in at Best Buy, at the end the #1 champ was and still is the Sony A95l 77
What calibration setting(s) did you use for the two TVs?
In a bright room - mini led is amazing. However oled in a dark room is amazing. Both have their use cases.
In some scenes I think the Bravia 9 actually won.
But in Darker scenes with specular highlights added and. Just the overall OLED experience is just going to be better. It's kind of like once you own a Porsche you just can't go back.
and in lighter scenes the Bravia 9 can look better. I can say 100% that I enjoy the picture colorful videogames games on Sony LCD's compared to OLED
The correct answer is to get a Sony OLED. You get the image processing, the upscaling, and still get the amazing OLED experience as well. I have 2 Sony OLEDs and will not be going back to LED any time soon.
Someone might decapitate me for saying that I prefer the Bravia 9 85" over the G4 83". I had them both for a month and went back and forth. Only when they're side-by-side and you're nitpicking can you think for a second that the Bravia 9 can't keep up, when in fact it really depends on you environment and content/purpose.
I agree, I ended up putting a Sony Bravia B9 75-inch in my bedroom and love it. The brightness is insane. You need sunglasses 😂
Guys im in the same exact boat here trying to decide between these two and kinda/sorta thinking the B9 just has that extra special something in person at the store (especially when viewing a movie scene) -- do you think the B9 85" would do fine in a basement setting or will it get so bright I have to turn it down?
@@mrjojo2836 For HDR there's two important options to go between: Tone Mapping "Brightness Preferred" or "Gradation Preferred". Those are going to make the biggest overall difference in how bright the picture is. I have a dark room and choose "Gradation Preferred" or sometimes even turn off the tonemapping. You're going to love the Bravia 9!
A first class analysis KG.....
This truly was a great review!!! 🎉. I watch tv two ways… movies/streaming I have to change all the settings to movie mode, warm, etc. during the day I may watch dish network on vivid/dynamic mode 🎉. Thank you for covering all aspects. 🎉
I'm struggling with this exact decision. 75in B9 or 77in G4.........
I know I don't want the S95D or the A95L.
Anyone else in this situation?
I was as well but I decided that the 3d clarity, superior viewing angles and OLED contrast put the G4 over the Bravia 9 for my use case. I'm in a light-controlled room so the Bravia 9 brightness is not a factor and I have a 7.1 surround system, so I won't be using the TV speakers. The best thing to do is see what features stand out to you between the two. Also, I would wait until Black Friday to get the best price on either TV.
For a couple hours every day Amazon has the 77” G3 for 2700 new. It’s hard to even tell them apart. Save the money and in a few years when lg comes out with the fix for the blue pixel you can buy that model.
Honestly, I'd like to see the G4 properly calibrated. It's an amazing panel, but I know what a reference monitor looks like and the G4 is clearly oversaturating colors and crushing blacks in this comparision, which leads to people here thinking It's Oled's better contrast. Also, these Woleds have a weird blue-ish tint.
I’ve never needed a reference monitor so bad in my life!
Yes because x95l last year was pretty accurate with reference monitor
I want a 85” reference monitor for my living room.
Strong case for the Bravia 9, but the downfalls in game mode limit its potential, based on my preferences anyway. Each have their pros and cons, that's for sure.
The B9 image is more pleasant to my eyes in almost every comparison test.
Been waiting for this video thank you!!
Do you plan on doing G3 VS G4?
I don’t sorry
Interesting how these things vary from video to video. For example, Brian's Tech Therapy has a video between the 65" A95L and 65" Bravia 9, and the contrast between the two loos closer in that video that they do here between the G4 and B9.
Which one would be better for the living room watching sports? I was leaning towards the B9 85 inch, but really like the G4. I’m concern about the G4 being to glossy in a brighter room.
I am older with some vision loss. I prefer a brighter screen but need a really good side viewing in a large room. There is usually some amount of light in the room. No gaming, just movies, tv shows and sports. Which tv at around 85” would make me the happiest?
Can’t go wrong with either B9 or g4
G4 well calibrated. IMHO. Still the best off angle viewing and contrast is with OLED. My caveat would be that if you mainly watch news channels with static images or bars for long periods of time you could risk image retention down the road and it might be worth giving up some off angle performance and contrast for what could be more longevity. We probably won’t know the actual longevity of QLED for some time. Not an expert.
if i have the money, BRAVIA 9 for shore, looks so pure, the beautiful and natural colors.
Of note, some of us already have the 75" Bravia 9, and it appears to be a significantly better panel. Zero DSE, very minimal blooming, etc. We will know more as more owners get the 75" and 85" sizes into their hands.
Zero DSE is wild that’s so rare for any LCD, are you checking it right? This 65” has very minimal blooming too. 85” should be AUO panels I think.
@@TechWithKG I did the hockey test last night, and it was pure white. If anyone else has a suggestion to check for DSE, I’m open to suggestions.
Yea Zero even with mine it’s wild
How about gray slides like 5% etc, or using a game like sea of thieves and panning through the sky? If you’re enjoying the TV and you don’t see it in real content please dont check it though definitely wouldn’t recommend it if you’re liking a TV unless something creeps up in real content.
@@TechWithKG Yea I need it to creep up before I hit it with the 5% but I haven’t seen it some blur a little ghosting but DSE nope
Mini LED any day baby! I've got a slightly older mini LED (a Hisense U8) and recently I bought an LG C4. After calibration, I still much prefer the U8 over the C4. The only advantage really is that I use the C4 in my bedroom where it's double duty as a monitor and TV, whereas the U8 is in my den which has a ton of natural light. The OLED's response time is better for gaming and the lower brightness is okay since it's close to my eyes and I usually have the blinds closed.
But for media, I still prefer watching on the U8 (and not because it's much larger). It's hard to go back after you've been spoiled by the brightness. My C4 just feels so dark in comparison.
freakn love mini led. Year round in huge snowstorms or brightest days you get the same picture quality either way. Sadly with oled I had to close my blinds in sunny days or turn off every light during winter to not see quality loss due to oleds weakness which is low brightness and glare.
Your talking rubbish. My 2019 OLED has plenty of brightness for any eyes in a bright room. LED's generate too much brightness and too many pixels suffer the white inflammation bleed over. It ruins the contrast and detail definition is lost as a result, colour accuracy is also lost due to too much white where it shouldn't be. It's an overblown mess. LED'S can't be controlled properly, until they get pixel level on or off. It's just not accurate. The latest OLED are way way way bright enough. The Brightness is where it should be, correct information in the correct place. Too much white and brightness just ruins. It's like somebody devoid of all emotion ...
Hey KG! Loved your video. Zelda looked like it played better on Bravia 9 so did Elden Ring. Would you say the Bravia is good for anime too? If so, it looks like I will be buying the Bravia 9.
What is the name of the demo in the beginning with the japan forest and woman with umbrella??
Awsome video will go with G4..can you please do G4 vs Qn900d?
Qn900d is destroyed by B9 so what’s the point? Samsung lcds are overpriced garbage in comparison
@@electronbashful540go see eye doctor
I was planning on waiting for Black Friday to buy either a B9 or G4, but I got a crazy deal on a 77" S90C. 90% of the time I'll be on the PS5 or the Apple TV 4K, so I think OLED was the right choice.
5:47 It would be nice to do a test with those black scenes with different local dimming settings
kg hows ur q90t vs b9 would be curious to see a tv comparison between those 2 a top led 2020 tv vs a top led 2024 tv
What do you recommend to someone who is mostly looking for a tv to watch movies on?
Great review btw.
If your environment is light controlled definitely an OLED TV really you can't go wrong with any one of them from Sony, Samsung, or LG they all do movies great!
@@TechWithKG thank you. TBH, got a G4 but had 2 faulty panels and as much as I love the picture quality on g4, now I am bit concerned about it and don’t have it in me to keep it as much as I think it’s a great tv, so my alternative wasn’t Bravia 8 but Bravia 9.
That’s unfortunate what was faulty about it exactly? If you ruled out the G4 look at S95D or A95L. Bravia 9 is great but it’s not as good because of its limits with the panel technology.
@@TechWithKG so the the first tv had these vertical lines going across the panel. You could see them on a black background; about 2-4 inches thick and they seemed shadowy. They were really visible when I took a photo of the screen. At Best Buy they said it’s a faulty panel and were willing to exchange it, which was really nice of them. New tv arrived on Saturday morning and as soon as it was installed and turned on, thin lines were showing vertically all across the panel with three being very inky in colour and could be seen in every scene.
I was offered Bravia 9 for the same price and delivery is scheduled in two weeks. As of today, all the lines are now miraculously gone and tv looks great. I love OLED picture quality, have my reservations towards Samsung as I always had issues with their panels and appliances so I rather pass, although both s90d and 95d look great.
I owned many Sony TVs over the years and they still function, never had any issues; also I own a Sony sound bar so those are the main reasons for Bravia 9; same cost as G4 with some sacrifice in contrast.
I thought g4 was a perfect pick, cheaper than a95l, OLED, and most likely better than B9. I hear people write how they bought 85” B9 or 83”g4, 77” a95l, and good for them, but I stretched my tv budget with this purchase and need to make sure it is worth the money spent. Sorry for the long rant, your interest and reply were greatly appreciated.
@@TechWithKG thanks again for commenting; I replied but not sure what happened to my comment, it disappeared. In a nutshell, first panel had grey bars all over the screen, second one had visible thin inky lines (one on each side of the screen). At Best Buy they told me it could have been from the styrofoam being clamped when tv was moved in the wear house. Miraculously, those lines disappeared after couple of days. Saw your reviews on Samsung S95D and is 25% off at Best Buy. Completely lost now as it’s a lot of money and between B9, S95D, G4, they all have their strengths but Sony for me personally is a most reliable brand, but I really wanted an OLED tv. Not sure if OLEDs still dim down in bright scenes over few minutes. Anyway, any suggestion is welcomed.
The image just feels more 3d-ish on oled, it's amazing
I really need you to confirm this - while you've talked about the G4 weakness in bright SDR scenes, a lot of the scenes you show here seem to suggest that the G4 is significantly brighter, even in full screen bright outdoor and mostly white scenes (like in 4:03 4:33 and 3:50 ).
I understood that these are HDR rather than SDR scenes, and that your description should take priority over the image show but since you haven't mention anything about these, I'll just need you to confirm whether these are the expected behaviour of the 2 TVs.
Because, if true, even when limited only to HDR, that would be a seriously impressive feat from LG (or a seriously disappointing result from Sony, depends on how you look at it.) These are some of the scenes I would have a hard time beliving that an OLED could get anywhere close to an LCD when it comes to brightness and colour volume from just a few years back.
Sorry it lined up that way, only SDR I showed in this video was the Zelda portion of the gaming footage I had more SDR shot but camera was out of focus for it mistakenly so I scrapped it. I can confirm SDR is much brighter on the Bravia 9.
Every scene you stamped would be brighter on the 9. His settings are probably more natural. Probably gradation preference over brightness. Active contrast off. You can push the brightness to levels no Oled can reach
I know that I shouldn’t anecdotally/visually judge a tv from a YT vid - but the gradients, brightness, and the shadow detail looks remarkable on the Bravia 9. The G4 has better granular pixel level contrast though.
Wow, that comparison is astonishing. What i find odd, though, isn't the bravia 9 a 4000 nitt tv? Why does the lg look almost just a bright as the Sony
Thank you. Its not a 4,000 nit TV I have seen most peak brightness measurements be closer to 2,700 nits for HDR peak. Also its brightness is only ever present when content is demanding it. Not much content really has scenes pushing a ton of brightness.
3:08 is where the Bravia 9 shines due to its higher brightness I would probably eat the Bravia 9 pizza over the other due to how it looks. But the G4 eats it in contrast and colors on most scenes.
You can't judge color wise because there is no mastering monitor to compared of. Sony B9 can look much colorful in vivid mode though if you like it
@@danielkudo4800 Yeah I’m pretty sure the Bravia 9 has very high color range like the G4 but for some reason the colors on the G4 pop more maybe it’s due to the contrast and Oled attributes. I bet on dynamic mode the mini led is way brighter but dynamic is really a horrible preset to watch movies on and should never be used.
So is the bravia 9 under saturated or is the G4 over saturated?
Neither it’s just a different white balance for both TVs giving them their look more so.
The Bravia 9 has been specifically engineered to approach the fidelity of the brand new professional 4k nits monitor, so I think you get your answer.
I'm getting the Bravia 9. I have the a90j and while I like it, I miss the brightness, especially in sdr. I rarely see real blacks in real life, and to me, mini led generally produces a more realistic window like picture to my eye. For gaming, I'll survive not having instant pixel response. I want to see my games shine again. I have govee t2s in dreamview always running in my theater room as well so i never watch in a pitch black room.
Down to it, we have two stellar options to pick, and I'm happy about that
@TechWithKG Great video comparison. Random question, does the g4 or b9 do split screen or picture in picture?
G4 does it
@@rohitpillai1760 can it do two hdmi sources or one with an app like youtube?
Given the Bravia 9 at 75" costs £4K, an extra £200 over the LG G3 75" (G4 not yet available in the UK), I'd rather have the G3 OLED all day long. I'm not saying the Bravia 9 is a bad TV, but it's massively overpriced. The 77" Sony A80L OLED is £2900.
You receive £500 from Sony after purchase 🙏🏽 so its 500 cheaper than the G4 I'm sure the RRP IS 4K for both
Guys, what you are being enthusiast about on the G4 on the videos is mainly its vivid contrast compared to the less saturated image on the B9. Only a few people though pointed out that those LG colors are totally off: there is a permanent green-ish tint that brings out unnatural scenes. It's ok to have strong contrasts but keeping consistency with the original source and intent of the videomaker is even more important to me (think of what we see at the cinema, no OLED there but still great experience).
I believe that a properly calibrated B9 will reduce the gap even more and win easily, at least against the LG panel.
Wenn du den B9 Kalibrieren würdest...dann Kalibrieren wir auch den G4 und gut ust mit dem Grünstrich. Junge, junge....
Really liked this vid and your style. Subbed. I will probably buy the 77 inch C3…live in an apartment, but my 2016 C6 has big burn in in the bottom 1/4 or 1/5. I can’t stand it, more than I can’t stand losing 3D…at this point.
I have an OLED that is approx 7 years old, it has a truely amazing picture, but my wife watches a lot of Netflix with the subtitles on and the subtitles area of the screen is worn and discoloured, that is definitely a drawback. I don’t believe it is image burn because the subtitles change often, it seems like that part of the screen is worn due to displaying a lot of white. I would love a TV that doesn’t wear but it is very hard for me to move away from OLED and the incredible image quality.
I feel and think the same way until I saw the Sony Bravia B9 in person and decided to purchase the 75 inch for my bedroom 😂 bye-bye oled. i have replaced 2 panels on my LG Oled due to burn in.
@@shanew7361 thanks for the comment that is good to know. I really want a TV that is at least close to the OLED image but more durable.
Bravia 9 looked better in many scenes, more shadow details, sharper. Run this test in a brighter living room where most people watch tv and watch HDR content which is what this TV was made for.
Run it it in a brighter room and enjoy vertical reflections across the screen. Lol. Va panel reflections are worse than on an oled panel so to me this argument is amiss.
@@whitecrowuk575 Worse than an VA panel, good one. Oled are not good bright room, living room TV period. Not bright enough not even the G4, picture quality takes a hit they look too dim, not enough brightness, contrast don't look as good and blacks looks grey. QD-oled are even worst.
The thumbnail is a show that comes out at 9pm est.
The suggestion is that people paying this amount of money for a TV are using the screen for more than daytime soap operas, and have the ability to control lighting.
@@jimdshea I replaced my S95C for a X95L, better overall picture, more shadow details, better color acuracy, better processing and in broad daylight even the blacks are inkier.
@@franky619ify do you mean the A95L?
I would take that G4 over the Bravia 9, and I love Sony. But I love OLED more. I own a Sony A80L and a Bravia 8.
While I can cetainly appreciate that OLED will have better contrast all the time, I think almost all modern mid range or higher LED or mini LED tvs will be more than enough for the average non discerning consumer.
I used to be really picky and could not replace my Panasonic ST60 as my main viewing TV until I got a Sony X90L. The overall picture is better and while I do notice slightly elevated black levels in some dark scenes compared to my ST60 it's not a deal breaker.
I wanted OLED but the risk of burn in is too much for me. A lot of people said modern plasmas (at the time) would no longer have that problem yet I still got persistent image retention that would last for a long time. I would have to run screen wipes and pixel shifters for several hours and even then I'd still see remnants of IR.
For me, the slightly elevated black levels are worth the trade off of not having to babysit my tv. I'm sure the higher end QLED and Mini LED tvs would ensure I don't feel the upgrade bug for some time.
I had image retention on my plasma but have had an LG C9 for many years and have had none. I will say the issues with plasma made me more careful and so I’ve never spent many hours watching channels with static bars or logos which really hasn’t been a problem for me since I got rid of cable. The picture quality is still fantastic and I can only detect minor banding by taking a photo of a 95% black screen and then drastically boosting the exposure. So I can see there is some wear but not noticeable while viewing. Also, I have to have the wide viewing angle on occasion and nothing is better than OLED for that.
Nice video...what would you say should be the upgrade path with current tvs being a 65in c1 and a 77in a80j? I still have a 3d tv active in the household as well.
Depends what you wanna upgrade first and what size? What are you wanting out of your picture preferences?
@@TechWithKG my a80j is currently in my home theater, so that would be the first upgrade
@@sspringss2727 To see a difference Bravia 9 is the way to go especially in a bright room.
You need to play with the settings on the Bravia 9 and the G4 is crushing the blacks and it's colors are over saturated. I've seen several professional reviews comparing these two TVs and there is not a huge difference.
Would the X93L do much better?
What about near black detail and black crushing?
LG G4 is great with shadow detail, but you might like the Bravia 9 better there but it does probably show too much
It's really tough to compare two different TV's from two different brands. The G4 in this comparison looks better in contrast but that not actually might be the case in real life. I think the settings of the TV plays an important role when comparing side by side and in this comparison the settings are favoring the G4 alot more than it should as the contrast difference shouldn't be this great between these two TV's.
That said I think the Bravia 9 would look much better than how it looks in comparison to G4 in this video if they both were used with the same/similar settings and when viewed through the naked eyes and not through a camera lens.
Thanks KG. Based on my usecase (movies, streaming, sports, dont game - period, daily tropical sunlight) I will get the Bravia 9. Because of this and the caribbean heat I will not get the G4 given the increased burning risk. I wont miss the better contrast as I will only have 1 tv to look at and never owned an OLED. The B9's low bit rate capability will counter the compared lower contrast.
0:41 where the door is on the top right is that black crush on the G4 the Bravia 9 shows more detail the G4 just cancels it.
Agree with you. The Bravia 9 shows more shadow details than the G4.
Most of the "better contrast" people are talking about here is black crushing
@@winwincsk The G4 is a great tv but that black crush is really noticeable. I’m surprised none of the reviewer’s have made any criticisms about it. Lg has always had this problem with their TVs.
@@ThePipojp It does have better contrast because it’s OLed but there is noticible black crush on G4.
So nice comparison 👏
9 series is the tv oled like, but the G4 still is the best tv for 2024. I wanna buy it sometime soon.
It will replace my S95c
Why would you do that for? It isn't an upgrade, it's a downgrade in some area's and in other area's the best you'll get is a sidegrade.
@@randysalsman6992 You think qd-oled is better than the G4? I want to upgrade from 65 to 77
@DarkLionn83 qd OLED from both Samsung and Sony 10 times better than lg
Go ahead you will regret it especially with colors
Hi KG. Will you be doing a video: Bravia 9 vs Samsung qn95d? Which one do you think will win?
Thanks
Peter
Kg which one would you pick if you had to choose one over the other?
I've been debating between the B9 and G4 for a bit, not sure if Sony's processing is worth not going the OLED route for the difference in picture quality. Curious your take on it.
I lean heavily towards G4 unless you watch in vivid or standard modes and admire the Bravia 9s brightness.
G4 easy
Was the contrast enhancer off on the Bravia 9? The LG is better but seems to crush blacks. The Sony seems more detailed with it’s slightly raised blacks.
Yes contrast enhancer is off
@@TechWithKG Okay, so contrast would be closer with it on.
The brightness levels are just part of the equation, sure the Bravia 9 is a lot brighter but the G4 has infinite contrast and in a lot of scenes it will look brighter due to the delta between brightest and dimmest zones. I legitimately believe that an oled at 600nits can look brighter than an IPS at 1000nits.
Huge difference in contrast and colorfulness. A bright OLED is just the best way to go for picture.
you cant tell by watching a video on youtube... its like viewing a video of a high end speaker and using 10€ headphones to listen to it saying it sounds good...
A QD-OLED yes.
The best way for cinema in dark room dude.
If you live in a cave yes. If you have windows and natural lighting, no.