I get the G4 83" in Germany for 4.900€. The price is close to the B9, but a few weeks ago I get an offer for 4.300€ for the B9 85". However I decided to buy the G4 and it's really amazing.
I'm a G4 owner, first LG TV I've ever owned. I've owned nothing but flagship Sony TVs both LED and OLED more recently since 2016. The LG G4 is the best TV I've ever owned hands down.
@@shanew7361 I've had three or four OLED TVs and this has a 5-year panel replacement and I have an extra warranty so I'm good bro plus I make over six figures so I can just buy another one whenever
@@shanew7361 I have 2 LG OLED's a 65" and 48" I use as PC monitors and have for 4 years now with no problems what so ever. Burn in is a thing of the past buddy.
I'm planning on getting the 85" B9 primary because I'll be hooking it up to a high end PC for a mixture of gaming, browsing, streaming, and productivity tasks. A nice pro with LCD is no risk of burn in from static UI elements or desktops. Otherwise if I were getting a TV purely for videos content and some gaming I'd probably go with OLED. But even then I've seen the B9 in person, and it's quite impressive. That's about the only issue for me is virtually all of my digital consumption is either on my phone, or a PC. But I still like the comfort of an HTPC setup where I'm sitting further from the screen. I feel less of the need then to "lean" into the content, I can recline back in a more relaxed comfy position.
I had been gaming on the x930e and switched to the a90j. For gaming, i seriously miss the led brightness. Gaming isnt all about pixel response. Alot of people play single player games and want the best image/hdr possible since games are one media that actually pushes higher brightness. The sdr brightness is also sub par in my opinion on all oleds. Down to it, its up to your use case
I’ve purchased and compared the S95D, G4 and now the Bravia 9 as of yesterday. All great TVs but the LG G4 is visibly brighter and more vibrant in most scenarios. I was shocked.
She is absolutely horrible. Either Rtings is taking money from some of these companies in exchange for positive reviews or she just has clear bias towards certain brands over others.
@ your opinion needs to be challenged could you be abit more specific about why you think this way? I never praise people at random! I take the Bravia 9 is the best tv I’ve ever seen. I don’t mind her praising LG… She speaks to a wider audience.. She most certainly doesn’t speak Iike she’s a mechanical puppet who reads from a teleprompter..
You don't have to use the OS on Sony or LG. You can use a chromecast/google streaming stick, Roku, Firestick or Apple TV and it doesn't matter what the native OS looks like. I connect a Firestick to my LG C1. They cost from $25-$40 for a good one. The google devices are similar or a little less cost, too.
@@frommatorav1 sure, that's what I do now to turn my old dumb TV smart, but if I'm buying a smart TV it's to upgrade the experience, not deal with a plethora of remotes and settings that some people in the house might struggle with.
@@Schaden81 I get that you don't want extra remotes. In my experience, my family just uses the Firestick remote to turn on the TV and use all the apps. It automatically goes to the right input on the receiver and TV and my wife doesn't need the TV or AVR remote. I'm a little concerned with using the TV apps and being connected with ethernet to the TV. One thing I noticed on my older LG is there isn't enough storage space dedicated for the apps. My new 4k Max Firestick doesn't have that issue. The 24/7 connection to the internet, concerns me because I'm allowing another company to track me. For that reason, my TV is rarely connected to the internet.
The two tv beat each other depending on content, watch a bright hdr movie like mad max and the bravia 9 blows away the G4, watch a dark movie like the revenant and it looks so much better on the OLED so the tvs are not better than each other it all depends on what you watch.
@@gauravgoel8092 In reality G4 isn't close to 2500 nits, or anywhere near it. The absolute best it can do lighting only 2% of the screen sits around 1200-1300 nits. It gets worse the more of the screen you light. Fullscreen is terrible, Around 200-220 nits, 50% screen is also just poor at around 300-400 nits. Less than half as bright as a low end mini/micro/qled and less than a third as bright as high end.
@@rankcolour8780 really?, these numbers if true really looks bad. But I have G4 in my living room, with a big size window. I watch it mostly in standard mode settings in day, not even vivid which is very bright. At night I use auto switch to cinema mode while watching movies. Don't feel those number in practical use. But I don't have the brightness measuring the brightness to confirm the numbers.
Excellent video as usual Abby. Great breakdown of the differences between these two TVS. I'm a OLED guy now, but I have a miniled TV from 2020 the infamous TCLR635 which I think is still a good TV for what it gives you. I believe it was their first affordable miniled TV.($650.00) is what I paid for my unit.😊
Recently purchased a Sony Bravia B9 75-inch and PS5 Slim. I'd like to connect wireless headphones 🎧 to play Ps5 games and use their 3D audio surround feature the Ps5 offers. I'm not sure which would have the best sound overall. Connecting to the Ps5 or the Sony Bravia B9 directly for games 🎮?
I'm between the 83 inch g4 and the 85 inch Bravia 9. Both are great tv's, but 1,200 dollars does matter even if I can afford both. Anyone who says it doesn't matter doesn't know how money works. They are many things 1,200 dollars can be used for, especially if you have a house and kids.
Hi, I’m not sure how cinemas are in Canada, but here in Brazil, even in IMAX, black is far from absolute. It’s more of a dark grey; I wouldn’t even call it black. There’s no issue with blooming or color bleeding, but it's not true black, and I think Mini-LED performs similarly. So, for anyone wanting a cinema-like image, based on my experience here, getting a Mini-LED, setting it to filmmaker mode, and disabling enhancements to achieve that "perfect black" is the best option, because it doesn't exist in cinemas, at least here. If you're into gaming, etc., you can choose based on preference. Personally, I prefer Mini-LED because it feels more advanced, and I’m drawn to its brightness and durability. Sometimes I leave the TV on static content while I do other things, and with OLED, that would make me anxious, and I’m already too anxious, so I prefer to avoid it. But both are great options.
Cinema is garbage as far as image quality goes anyway. There's no reason to use it as a reference, especially given its ultra narrow dynamic range compared to modern TV tech.
Both are great TV's. I own OLED and miniLED TV's, and I prefer the brightness of the miniLED for everyday viewing. MiniLED makes SDR look like HDR in many cases, which is incredible to see.
@@johnb4905 It's not the other way around, it's both. From the brightest to the darkest. High dynamic range. Is that the best you got? You're not going to impress me when I own both displays and know the strengths and weaknesses of both.
@@johnb4905 what are you arguing? You don't know what HDR is, and now you're saying SDR is lifted? It's not. In fact, there's another post here that gives credit to the G4 for making SDR look more like HDR too. I get it, if you like flat images, then these TV's aren't for you. The rest of us will enjoy the performance of these TV technologies. 👍
@@DrakonR No, you don’t get it. It’s the 3 dimensionality of SDR on OLED televisions that makes it look more HDR than on LCD televisions. It’s what I noticed in seconds when I saw the first images on the Bravia 7. I couldn’t wait to replace it with the C3. Even a WRGB panel is noticeably better than a top end LCD.
Here in Australia, except for a once-off crazy sale, the B9 is always cheaper than the G4 at least for the 85/83 size that I was looking for. Right now, the B9 85" (4.6K) is 2K cheaper than the 83" G4. So it is a no-brainer for me as I dont game on TV and my TV viewing room is not totally dark (by choice). And not to mention the far superior sound quality of the B9 and very useful Voice Zoom for dialogue clarity.
@@Andrew-cp7mc at the good guys the 77 G4 is more than the 75 B9 a.t.m but they are close , I got the G4 did you get the B9 if so what's your take on it
@@bungalowtomcat1 Enjoying my 85 B9 very much; been trying out with dark movies like Sin City, 300, Alpha, it was spectacular for specular highlights and shadow details. For me, it has been to be >80" and versatile for day and night viewing in a living room with windows so not a difficult decision. Also the true white and shadow details of miniLED is more important to me than perfect contrast. Looks like 83 G4 is very popular as stocks are limited it seems and price is holding up very well, outside of sales.
I have both and prefer the B9. I don’t care who wins, but i just do like the B9 more, especially when you are watching in bt2020. Then the G4 gets crushed. You can even enable bt2020 for everything and then finetune it a little bit and brightness is incredible. The G4 is also incredible, but i personally prefer a more vibrant image, then a perfect black level image. That said both are actually perfect!
I prefer the G4 because it’s a more all around TV that can do both movies and games well whereas the Sony is more movie oriented with some gaming capabilities
Same. The default brightness is way too much, people walking into the room get overwhelmed. I can't imagine how it won't be bright enough for 99% of living rooms.
@@BigHugeChamp Yes. Very good. The extra brightness especially affects SDR content. I know the Bravia gets better marks for SDR, but the G4 produces the best SDR I've seen on an OLED. It almost looks HDR-like, if that makes sense.
Suggestion / Question - If image processing is your biggest issue, are you better off just getting something like an NVIDIA Shield? How does that compare to the Sony and LG? I don't think I've ever seen anyone something like that.
@@rodmunch69 The Nvidia Shield is 5 or 6 years old now, and when it was new it could upscale better than many of the TVs back then. The TVs from the past 3 years keep getting better and better with processing and sharpening. So much so, that many are better than the Shield now. These two TVs are some of the best in upscaling and are better than the Shield. This doesn't make the Shield bad, just not an upgrade.
People usually forget that theatre projectors as expensive as they may be have black levels far less than high end LCD like B9. Pure physics of a projected image. On top of that super expensive color grading reference monitors like the Sony HX3110 are exclusively LCD and not OLED. In the future Oleds will be eventually replaced by micro leds.
Hey Abbey 🎉🎉🎉 happy 50th appearance! 😂. Thanks for the comparisons. I had both of these TVs in my home in the 85 inch class for Sony and the 83 inch class for LG. I chose the LG G4 in 83 inch installed on wall . Even with it being a WOled I’m more than confident with my purchase . The google software played a part in my decision along with a few other things. But I’m confident with my purchase . I tried to go mini led for main room so I didn’t have to worry about burn in etc . But with Best Buy total and the 5 year panel warranty I feel secure either way . Also forgot to mention , on the 83 inch G4 all the inputs are along the left side for ease of access while wall mounted . Thanks again for the video .
My question regards longevity. OLED - meaning organic / will these pixels last as long as a mini LED? The information I was given was no - is this true?
The pixels themselves won't last as long on an OLED compared to mini LED but the mini LED get degraded in different ways, particularly dirt screen effect. If DSE looks bad on a screen, it hurts the picture just as bad as burn-in.
@vybo8921 DSE gets worse over time also. It doesn't usually start on day 1. The TV I had with DSE, it started at about 14 months. Within another year it was awful, but it's gradual, so you may have trouble with warranty.
@@vybo8921 Which LEDs also degrade over time, just at a reduced rate compared to OLED. Also, LCDs also degrade over time and can suffer from other issues. The only display I've experienced "burn-in" on was an LCD in a smartphone.
Well I've got thin stripes of direct sunlight coming through the blinds and that pretty much kills any oled out of my choices. Maybe this should be talked about more.
If only there was technology that could manage light from blinds! Guess its curtain call for OLED, let's stop making them, they are truly devil incarnate, seeking only to dwell in darkness! Oh, right, curtains exist.
I'm happy not being one of those people that feels like I need the latest and greatest and most expensive. So I ended up getting the LG C3 and it has been and will continue to be an absolutely awesome TV in my livingroom.. A little under $2000 for a 65-inch C3 and 5yr warranty meaning I am covered until 2029 an in NO need to upgrade at least till then.. Its a wonderful thing the late adopter life..
@gauravgoel8092 ??Burn-in?? Unless your purposely absolutely trying to get Burn-in and doing it for years then Burn-in really isn't a thing.. So NO no Burn-in on my C3 or my C1 I have had since 2021
@@RedPillAlways great to hear that, thank you. In the top trend reply in this thread, few people are speaking like the latest oled tvs like G4 will be unuseful within 3 years. My oled tablet has no sign of burnin in 3 years.
@gauravgoel8092 your welcome. yeah to be honest these people that talk about burn-in are really stuck in the past the funny thing is it was Samsung that promoted the burn-in so heavily as an Anti- OLED thing and now Samsung does OLED. Now yes back in the early days of OLED TVs burn in was pretty bad but since 2019 you pretty much have to go out of your way and purposefully try to get burn in and you have to try and do it for a very long time. But for regular everyday use movies TV shows Sports gaming whatever. No. My C1 is working on being 4 years old and is perfectly fine. The only reason I got the LG C3 for my living room is because the C1 just wasn't bright enough. Now the C1 is my Bedroom TV and the C3 is marvelous and will stay in my Living room for years to come OLED is the BEST way to go IMO..
A friend in the u.k has the Z95A and says in any input and any content , even low bit 480p and up just upscal and look amazing 👏 and the colour accuracy is perfect and rich 👌 hope that helps , I'm in Australia 🇦🇺 so I'll get him to ship me one 😂
I auditioned the A95L, the Panny Z95A and the LG G4 in person at my local AV dealer here in the UK. These are the three best TVs in the market now. When calibrated and viewed from a reasonable distance in a dark room, they all look equally good and you can’t tell any difference unless you compare zoomed in screen caps side by side, so it boils down to features. I bought the LG G4 because it’s the only one that has four full speed HDMI 2.1 ports (I need three of them for my gaming devices). This is where Sony and Panny need to improve, it’s not good enough for a flagship TV to only provide two HDMI 2.1 ports in 2024. BTW, I upgraded from a Panny GZ2000 and I had a Sony Bravia FALD TV before that, so I’m not an LG fanboy by any means.
i had both side by side in accurate settings for over two weeks. in most scenes the G4 looks better because of the per pixel contrast. In brightness they are on par. the B9 is brighter in large uniform brightness area scenes, the g4 is brighter when there are smaller brightness gradients. in many scenes they look identical brightness wise but G4 looks more 3dimensional and more detailed due to per pixel oled contrast.
you can't compare with content that doesn't use your TV's brightness. moreover you base yourself on one type of content but a television is several sources. the sony is 5 times brighter than the lg G4
The comparisons you make when looking at a 5cm screen are absurd but above all you forget that the contrast of OLED is a disadvantage if you don't have 4K sources
Can i get good sound out without significant delay or loss in sound quality if i pair 2 echo studios via alexa app to lg g4? Or does the sound come out of only one speaker? Or is it that i can use the speakers as only controls but not as speakers? There are no forums that answer this.
I’m just still not sold on OLEDs. Just picked up the Bravia 7 last week and am more than pleased. Considering I occasionally play games, watch movies, watch sports, and occasionally use it as a computer monitor, the risk of burn in with OLED would be too high. If I was getting a TV purely for movie watching, an OLED would be a no-brainer. But if I’m going to be using it for various types of media, I’m going to stick to LED. I went with the Bravia 7 instead of 9 because multiple reviews, including Rtings, stated that it doesn’t lag far behind the 9 in real world content. The price to performance increase ratio wasn’t good enough, but I still wanted a Sony. It’s a beautiful TV with more than enough nits.
You bought a great TV, so I'm sure you'll be happy with it. I just have one gripe about your comment about OLED. The fact that you vary the content is a positive "for" OLED. I'm typing this comment on one now and because I stream TV, watch sports, watch movies and view various media from my PC on it, my 65" LG C1 OLED has no signs of burn-in with almost 2 years of use and close to 10k hours. As long as you're using an OLED with varying content, the chance of burn-in is minimal. If my screen is static for too long, it just dims.
I'm more of a budget buyer and have a Sony X90L for main console and tv and an LG B4 for bedroom PC. I know Abby mentioned the stutter on OLEDs to be poor and that Sony Bravia 9 is only marginally better than the G4 but what's not mentioned is that LG locks all those features when in PC mode on all of their Oleds. At the least when watching UA-cam videos on my PC hooked up to either TV, the Sony X90L will always look smoother and better to my 120 fps eyes than the LG B4. There's gimmicks you can do to unlock motion smoothing on the LG displays when hooked up to a PC but I just can't recommend it. If the gaming is mainly consoles then sure the LG is wonderful. But I think the Bravia 9 is still extremely impressive. The biggest downside to me is Sony only supporting hdmi 2.1 on two ports one including the E-Arc. They really gotta move past that.
The risk of burn in is mostly exaggerated by those who don't own them. At this point you'd expect there to be thousands of people saying they're switching back to LCDs from having burn in, yet it's nearly nonexistent. It really seems more just like people justifying buying a new LCD over OLED rather than from serious concern. I hate insinuating that but it seems clearly the case. LCDs aren't inherently bad, but you should know why you're buying what you are.
@Sweet-Tooth31 there shouldn't be stuttering on an OLED from gaming vs an LCD. That would mean your games are stuttering, which they really shouldn't. She said OLED shows the jutter in 24hz content like movies more. All displays do, but OLED shows it more because of how fast the transitions are. Let it be known you are still supposed to use V-sync when using G-sync/ Freesync and consoles always do. The if you're seeing stuttering from an improper frame rate you may no have VRR enabled. A lot of people always just assume it will work immediately but most displays need it enabled both on the TV and in your graphics control panel. You may also just have generally too low a frame rate. You can try just using a frame generator like lossless scaling. I'm kinda assuming this is a high possibility as people rarely use frame rate counters.
@Skylancer727 I apologize. I misused the term stutter when meaning Judder referring to 24hz content. TLDR: Oleds are best with streaming apps and video game consoles. With mixed PC usage, I find it cumbersome. LED based panels like the Sony Bravia series make mixed PC usage more favorable, for me. If I'm gaming on the LG B4 with my PC, I'm using 4k 120 fps with ALLM, VRR/GSYNC and there's no screen tearing or stuttering for games. Unless they're poorly optimized. However, even if I set the HDMI input my PC is connected to (rtx 3080) to Game Console or Home Theater or whatever, it will still lock nearly all Clarity settings including TruMotion which is the Motion Interpolation to make 24hz content appear smoother. I want this setting on for movies I play with PotPlayer or VLC. The only way I've found to have it work with my PC such as when playing movies or anime or UA-cam is by setting the refresh rate to Ultra HD 2160p @ 60hz (instead of PC Mode 2160p 120hz) in the Nvidia Control Panel and turning the refresh rate from Gsync Compatible to Fixed Refresh thus disabling VRR. This allows me to change Clarity settings, specifically TruMotion where I can set De-Judder strength to 3 or 4 depending on taste. Gaming in general with Oleds, honestly fantastic. I find this anecdotal use case for me regarding movies on Windows to be annoying when I compare plugging my PC to the X90L in the living room. Even with the PC plugged in, I can easily switch to Cinema and have access to Motion settings without messing with the resolution and frame rate. Idk if there's a demand for LG to adopt something similar. Technically I could just get something like an Nvidia Shield and use Plex and avoid all the PC issues by using a different input on the LG B4. I know I'm a minority, to me judder on movie content is a huge deal breaker more so than HDR brightness or Pitch Black contrast. Sony's Motion handling is something I wish every manufacturer had.
Wow. Not a word about sound quality & options. Also nothing about on-screen menus and Ui. Also, does LG offer the equivalent to SONY’s Bravia (now SONY) streaming service?
What do you mean that "noticeably dimmer in Game Mode" is a con for G4, when in the review you wrote there is almost no difference in brightness in Game Mode?
Does anyone know if either of the two models have a picture in picture or split screen option I like to play video games and have watchable content on at the same time.
Additional important Advantages of (B9) miniLED: 1. No risk of burn-in if you use it as a PC monitor. 2. No Brightness Limiter of bright full screen HDR scenes or dimming of static logos/huds etc. 3. Superior Motion Clarity due to Black Frame Insertion at 60/100/120hz without any noticeable brightness drop where G4 will lose around 50% brightness.
Burn-in only happens if you're an office worker. As a gaming monitor you would have to be insane to buy the B9 instead of the G4. The LG G4 is the best gaming display on the market bar none.
@@budthecyborg4575nah, burn in can and does happen on plenty of gamers' OLED TV's or for people watching a lot of news/network TV with banners or logos on their screen, depending on the frequency of use.
@@budthecyborg4575 Sorry mate, but you're all wrong. "Burn-in" in OLEDs is cumulative, so no matter what you do it just degrades because of its organic nature. Manufacturers try to mitigate it through various tricks like pixel shifting etc. but the truth is OLED will degrade in the end and it will do quicker in situations where you watch news with a lot of static elements or do gaming and let's be real, almost every game has some kind of HUD - another static element. Even if you watch/play stuff without static stuff whatsoever your display will still degrade over time, 5 years is probably the maximum you can get from OLED without degradation being very noticeable. Don't get me wrong, OLED is the best technology in terms of picture quality but it has a lot of drawbacks and if you want your display to last at least a decade you should probably get Mini LED until Micro LED becomes affordable for us consumers.
Something never mentioned is the often huge problem with vertical banding on these WOLED LG panels. Tons of people having returned them. Because just like how DSE can be bad on LED TVs. This type of banding can be outright nasty on the LG OLEDs. Which can be easily seen in light content, where DSE would be seen. But OLED always get a pass and ignoring flaws they have.
@@little_fluffy_clouds Yeah its a panel lottery issue, and I've seen the same thing happen on LCD panels where a stripe of the LED backlights was degrading/failing, leading to noticeable delineation between zones).
G4 has MLA for brightness, but loses vibrancy at high brightness. So much for a technology that only kills the picture quality. Bravia 9 doesn't have this issue. In your Color Volume comparison (8:17) it is clear the Bravia 9 has better colors, and also pure white without a tinge of blue, unlike the G4.
@@gosman949 I have watched hockey a lot on my LG C1 OLED, which isn't as good as the G4 and I never have an issue with it dimming during a game, unless I pause the screen. If it's paused, it dims, but in live action it hasn't.
@@gosman949 Correct. I'm fine that it dims when I pause because that helps prevent the burn-in. My point is that it "only" dims when I pause, and not when the bright white ice of hockey is being shown during the hockey game.
Yeh but an oled to lcd the upscaling would be ,even, as they are so close anyway , as oled has like 10% better things to make the LG G4 be even in upscaling detail and smoothing , that should be an answer , answered ????
I bought an OLED in 2017, and it is basically unwatchable at this point due to burn-in. While I do have a static image burn-in near the bottom of the TV, it recently developed a general burn-in in the center third of the TV that is not a static image but appears more like a smear. Because of where it is and its impact on colour panning across the screen, it is extremely distracting. I love OLEDs for picture quality but will go with a mini LED until newer OLED technology that promises to eliminate burn-in shows up in production TVs.
I have the 77" G4 OLED and I can honestly say its a great TV, and even at 1000 nits in HDR its very bright so it must be the MLA+ panel working its magic. Some times it is too bright especially at night it can be eye searing! While blacks are pure black and colors pop as well
Why do you guys say you’ll “lose it” if you use the soundbar for E ARC? There are tons of soundbars that have HDMI 2.1 pass through. You literally don’t have to lose anything, if you do even a modicum of research and prep.
This is an excellent comparison. One thing I find to be problematic in these comparisons though, they only use the newest Ultra HD movies and shows for testing. There are 100 years of movies, and some of the newer models (like LG C4) have extremely poor ability to render film grain on older shows. So much so that is makes them look much much worse than on a TV from 10 years ago. I'd like to see comparisons that include a broader range of historical content for those who watch a broader variety.
No one is going to notice 4.4ms difference in input lag. That is NOT what people notice. It is pixel response time and that OLED are more clear in movements because of it. Input lag is the moment you press a mouse button to the point of response on the screen. 4.4ms is 4.4 THOUSANDS of a second. A blink of an eye is way slower. In fact a single frame at 144Hz is SLOWER than 4.4ms. So tell me people. How many people can see individual frames at 144hz (fps). So NO you're not going to notice any input lag difference. It's almost infuriating how people don't understand these things. The best human reaction times with pro players meaning "pressing a button" is 120-140ms or so. That is pretty darn far away from 4.4ms isn't it. So if you react 15times slower than the difference of these TVs, that input lag difference means jack squat. The advantage again with OLED is the pixel response time. Which is a visual cue on the screen. That however is a negative watching slower frame rate content.
I have had Sony for the past 20years. Now considering to move to LG because value x money isn’t making much sense with Sony. I also don’t understand why did Sony stop 55”…
Good thing you tested the Bravia 9 before its latest September firmware update which has completely borked a bunch of the settings and messed up the gaming picture quality.
@@DarkKnight-gw4gw It's the worst update on a higher tier Sony TV in years... They know about it and removed the firmware download. Fingers crossed it's fixed immediately!
That HRF OLED issue where certain parts of the screen seem to sort oof strobe is not mentioned - that's a pretty big thing to skip. Do any OLED sets not suffer from this or it just some sets?
Brightness is much more complicated. We also perceive something as "brighter" when contrast is better, and the G4 contrast is better. So for sure the Sony has more peak brighntess than the G4, but not that much more as the pure measurement data shows, so the difference between both TVs isn't that much.
G4 owner here as well as a Hisense U8N. Full screen white brightness is better on the U8N but honestly, the G4 seems brighter when in use even if the nit numbers say otherwise. The U8N is a poor man's Bravia 9, hence why I'm bringing this up. OLED>>>Mini LED for me but it's all personal preference. Oh, and Sony, give us 4 HDMI 2.1 ports already!
You're coping. 3700 nits of brightness vs 1400 and that's just for the 10% window, it's not even close and these new mini LED panels have up to 5 times higher brightness across the board. 50 - 100% windows on OLEDs are just sad, you can't get a proper HDR experience with 120 - 400 nits.
@@marfg12345 you do realize OLED’s get way brighter with specular highlights so the G4 looks brighter. Thats plain facts from my eyeball’s perspective. Mini LED is awesome OLED is the superior technology.
Why does this soumds like an ad for OLED? I got a LG C1 and I regret it. The stress of knowing I may have burnin is too much for me. I'll stick to LCD/LED from now on.
@@matthewitaliano9088 a minimum of 4 hours a day. 8 months into ownership, I spend 2 hours watching Anime. I switched over to UA-cam and noticed images retention. It lasted for 12 hours (I was in talks with Best buy because I have a warranty with them) After this event, I went back to my Old TCL. Sure the TCL looks inferior to the OLED, but the stress of getting image retention or burning again is too much for me. I thought getting a warranty that supposedly covers burning will be enough to alleviate my concerns, but I was wrong
@@paulcox2447 that was my intent as well. I made sure the warranty I got will cover burn in. However after 8 months and experiencing that 12 hour image retention, I learned that the stress of burn in was too much for me. The picture quality isn't worth it.
Which model do you recommend for watching high-quality movies of the zoo, and your movies and series?? Bravia 9 or LG G4?!! Top image quality is a priority for me, thank you very much for your help 🌹🙏🙏
I want an OLED but no matter how much some of the fanboys say burn in isn’t an issue it can still happen. Just because those lot haven’t had issues doesn’t mean others don’t or haven’t. I’ve had 3 previously and all went back to retailer for screen issues which have left me seriously hesitant to get another even though I want to. Just because I wouldn’t be able relax with one.
I agree. I've always owned LG OLED's, and the burn in will and does happen. Love the picture, but I'm dome with OLED's. Purchased a 75-inch Sony Bravia B9.
Every laptop, TV and desktop computer monitor I own is OLED, for 5 years now. No sign of burn on any of them and I don’t take any special precautions, I just don’t max out the brightness, it would hurt my eyes anyway. You can certainly relax, a modern OLED like G4 won’t burn in as log as you don’t run it at max brightness, and even if it does, LG covers it under warranty
I have a G4 in my bedroom, for night time viewing it is almost uncomfortably bright. For SDR I have to ISF expert dark room, for hdr I gotta do cinema usually
@@makaiokalahama yea you can I’m just using the preset modes as a reference point. I also had an LG C1 and none of the preset modes ever felt bright enough. In contrast, the darkest preset mode on the G4 in sdr (isf dark) actually feels bright enough for nighttime
I would pick the g4 good allround tv, handles all minds of video and audio, better priced and oled thus nice deep colors and black values amount of hdmi ports also ok
Great comparison self emissive for me all day every. I have gone from plasma to oled, and soon as micro led isn't a million dollars right to self emissive micro led .
She completely ignores the downsides of oled. burn in is real despite what so folks insist and gaming is the worst for burn in. The brightness fading auto with oled is annoying as hell.
From my understanding the only time when burning can be a real risk is if you sit there and leave your TV on a static image of any kind for a long period of time as in multiple hours every day of the year for at least 3 to 5 years straight at least on today's OLED technology I don't know about you but if I know I'm done using my TV for at least 30 minutes or more, I'm cutting the TV off and guess what that prevents the burning issue. Also says electricity so it's a win-win no matter what if you just take one measly second and press one little button
I find it baffling that even the top of the range TVs that cost 4000$ only have 4 HDMI ports. Every port doesn't have to be be 2.1 but can we please get 6 or 8? I already use up my 4 with an AppleTV, console, eARC and a bluray player. What if someone wants to add a cable box, second console or occasionally connect a laptop or gaming PC? Given one port is permanent used up for audio for many people, 3 is just far too few video inputs to work with.
DisplayPort over USB C is definitely a thing and I think replacing the USB A 2.0/3.0 ports with USB C 3.1+ would be more useful to more people than adding more HDMIs. I'm guessing the reason they don't is because it's expensive to assign that much bandwidth to that many ports, plus they don't want add more licensing fees when margins on TVs are already shrinking fast
@@BigHugeChamp until burn in occurs or the organic pixels start to fade and die, which WILL eventually happen. I'll stick with a TV that will still look fantastic in 5,10 or even 15 years. Given just how good the Bravia is it's an easy choice.
In the US, the G4 is more expensive than the B9. Especially at the largest size: 85” B9 = $4800 vs the 83” G4 = $6000.
Kinda expected oleds are always more expensive
@@Sarvesh_17Which is why I was surprised when Abby said that the G4 can be typically had for less than the B9 around the 15:00 mark
@@jsonlee01 ig its because the sony tax is extremely high in some countries including mine
I get the G4 83" in Germany for 4.900€. The price is close to the B9, but a few weeks ago I get an offer for 4.300€ for the B9 85". However I decided to buy the G4 and it's really amazing.
I’d like the 83” G4 but so much more $ than the 85” B9, then would have to buy a stand on top of it as I can’t use a wall mount in my situation.
Okay, I'm sold. LG G4 it is. Wallet, lets GO!!
Thanks for the review.
I'm a G4 owner, first LG TV I've ever owned. I've owned nothing but flagship Sony TVs both LED and OLED more recently since 2016. The LG G4 is the best TV I've ever owned hands down.
Enjoy the complimentary burn in 4 years if you're lucky 😂
@@shanew7361 I've had three or four OLED TVs and this has a 5-year panel replacement and I have an extra warranty so I'm good bro plus I make over six figures so I can just buy another one whenever
@@shanew7361enjoy led dse and blooming 😅😂
@@shanew7361 I have over 10K hours on my A80J and I play a lot of games on it with HUDs on and I have ZERO burn in...
@@shanew7361 I have 2 LG OLED's a 65" and 48" I use as PC monitors and have for 4 years now with no problems what so ever. Burn in is a thing of the past buddy.
Great info. I like how you guys cover the clearance that the stands provide for soundbar users.
Mmm, that bright skyscraper loft is a good idea. I'll pick one up to go with the Bravia 9 😂
Now you are talking my language my friend
In Australia, the 77/83 G4 do have stand packages. That come with with wall mount and stand. Same price.
10:24 WHAT...? I'm confused.... Was this taken with Local Dimming disabled...? 🧐
I'm planning on getting the 85" B9 primary because I'll be hooking it up to a high end PC for a mixture of gaming, browsing, streaming, and productivity tasks. A nice pro with LCD is no risk of burn in from static UI elements or desktops.
Otherwise if I were getting a TV purely for videos content and some gaming I'd probably go with OLED. But even then I've seen the B9 in person, and it's quite impressive.
That's about the only issue for me is virtually all of my digital consumption is either on my phone, or a PC. But I still like the comfort of an HTPC setup where I'm sitting further from the screen. I feel less of the need then to "lean" into the content, I can recline back in a more relaxed comfy position.
I had been gaming on the x930e and switched to the a90j. For gaming, i seriously miss the led brightness. Gaming isnt all about pixel response. Alot of people play single player games and want the best image/hdr possible since games are one media that actually pushes higher brightness.
The sdr brightness is also sub par in my opinion on all oleds. Down to it, its up to your use case
I’ve purchased and compared the S95D, G4 and now the Bravia 9 as of yesterday. All great TVs but the LG G4 is visibly brighter and more vibrant in most scenarios. I was shocked.
She’s officially the best reviewer at RTINGS.
Are there any other reviewers at RTINGS? I’ve only ever seen Abbie.
She is absolutely horrible. Either Rtings is taking money from some of these companies in exchange for positive reviews or she just has clear bias towards certain brands over others.
@ your opinion needs to be challenged could you be abit more specific about why you think this way?
I never praise people at random!
I take the Bravia 9 is the best tv I’ve ever seen.
I don’t mind her praising LG…
She speaks to a wider audience..
She most certainly doesn’t speak Iike she’s a mechanical puppet who reads from a teleprompter..
Abby, congratulations on 50 vids! Great job by you and the team!
@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY Brian you da man!
@BigHugeChamp thank you!
Thank you Brian! 😄
That G4 sounds great, but the LG OS is just not pleasant to use compared to Google TV on the Sony. I'm almost thinking Bravia 7
You don't have to use the OS on Sony or LG. You can use a chromecast/google streaming stick, Roku, Firestick or Apple TV and it doesn't matter what the native OS looks like.
I connect a Firestick to my LG C1. They cost from $25-$40 for a good one. The google devices are similar or a little less cost, too.
@@frommatorav1 sure, that's what I do now to turn my old dumb TV smart, but if I'm buying a smart TV it's to upgrade the experience, not deal with a plethora of remotes and settings that some people in the house might struggle with.
@@Schaden81 I get that you don't want extra remotes. In my experience, my family just uses the Firestick remote to turn on the TV and use all the apps. It automatically goes to the right input on the receiver and TV and my wife doesn't need the TV or AVR remote.
I'm a little concerned with using the TV apps and being connected with ethernet to the TV. One thing I noticed on my older LG is there isn't enough storage space dedicated for the apps. My new 4k Max Firestick doesn't have that issue. The 24/7 connection to the internet, concerns me because I'm allowing another company to track me. For that reason, my TV is rarely connected to the internet.
@@frommatorav1 absolutely agree with you. I always use Fire Cube Tv, irrespective of TV as that is always faster than any brand tv software.
Just got a PS5 pro. I'm thinking Bravia 7 also. Would be a good upgrade to my x900h I bought 5 years ago.
The two tv beat each other depending on content, watch a bright hdr movie like mad max and the bravia 9 blows away the G4, watch a dark movie like the revenant and it looks so much better on the OLED so the tvs are not better than each other it all depends on what you watch.
G4 has enough brightness, why do you need more than 2500 nits of brightness anyway? Can u explain? Will it not stress the eyes?
@@gauravgoel8092 You need it for HDR hightlights, explosions, flames, the sun, car lights etc.
@@gauravgoel8092
In reality G4 isn't close to 2500 nits, or anywhere near it.
The absolute best it can do lighting only 2% of the screen sits around 1200-1300 nits. It gets worse the more of the screen you light.
Fullscreen is terrible, Around 200-220 nits, 50% screen is also just poor at around 300-400 nits.
Less than half as bright as a low end mini/micro/qled and less than a third as bright as high end.
@@rankcolour8780 really?, these numbers if true really looks bad. But I have G4 in my living room, with a big size window. I watch it mostly in standard mode settings in day, not even vivid which is very bright. At night I use auto switch to cinema mode while watching movies. Don't feel those number in practical use. But I don't have the brightness measuring the brightness to confirm the numbers.
sensible remark
Pricing is opposite from what this person mentioned. The Bravia 9 is $300 less than the G4 in many places.
In the UK they are very close in price, the Sony may be fractionally cheaper, the G4 gives you an extra 2" diagonal on the panel size.
In Australia LG is cheaper that Sony
Excellent video as usual Abby. Great breakdown of the differences between these two TVS. I'm a OLED guy now, but I have a miniled TV from 2020 the infamous TCLR635 which I think is still a good TV for what it gives you. I believe it was their first affordable miniled TV.($650.00) is what I paid for my unit.😊
Recently purchased a Sony Bravia B9 75-inch and PS5 Slim. I'd like to connect wireless headphones 🎧 to play Ps5 games and use their 3D audio surround feature the Ps5 offers. I'm not sure which would have the best sound overall. Connecting to the Ps5 or the Sony Bravia B9 directly for games 🎮?
The 85" Sony Bravia 9 is 1200 cheaper than the 83' G4- Crutchfield. That is a huge difference in price.
And it's a fantastic TV. I'm very pleased.
What's your point? If you can afford a 80"+ TV, that doesn't really matter. Besides what's more noticeable is that from
I'm between the 83 inch g4 and the
85 inch Bravia 9. Both are great tv's, but 1,200 dollars does matter even if I can afford both. Anyone who says it doesn't matter doesn't know how money works. They are many things 1,200 dollars can be used for, especially if you have a house and kids.
Lol, you are comparing led vs oled
@@XLL38_0criticize much?
Hi, I’m not sure how cinemas are in Canada, but here in Brazil, even in IMAX, black is far from absolute. It’s more of a dark grey; I wouldn’t even call it black. There’s no issue with blooming or color bleeding, but it's not true black, and I think Mini-LED performs similarly. So, for anyone wanting a cinema-like image, based on my experience here, getting a Mini-LED, setting it to filmmaker mode, and disabling enhancements to achieve that "perfect black" is the best option, because it doesn't exist in cinemas, at least here. If you're into gaming, etc., you can choose based on preference. Personally, I prefer Mini-LED because it feels more advanced, and I’m drawn to its brightness and durability. Sometimes I leave the TV on static content while I do other things, and with OLED, that would make me anxious, and I’m already too anxious, so I prefer to avoid it. But both are great options.
Cinema is garbage as far as image quality goes anyway. There's no reason to use it as a reference, especially given its ultra narrow dynamic range compared to modern TV tech.
Both are great TV's. I own OLED and miniLED TV's, and I prefer the brightness of the miniLED for everyday viewing. MiniLED makes SDR look like HDR in many cases, which is incredible to see.
If you think HDR equates to brightness then yeah but it’s actually the other way around.
@@johnb4905 It's not the other way around, it's both. From the brightest to the darkest. High dynamic range. Is that the best you got? You're not going to impress me when I own both displays and know the strengths and weaknesses of both.
@@DrakonR Wrong again. When everything is lifted in SDR it’s not both.
@@johnb4905 what are you arguing? You don't know what HDR is, and now you're saying SDR is lifted? It's not. In fact, there's another post here that gives credit to the G4 for making SDR look more like HDR too.
I get it, if you like flat images, then these TV's aren't for you. The rest of us will enjoy the performance of these TV technologies.
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@@DrakonR No, you don’t get it. It’s the 3 dimensionality of SDR on OLED televisions that makes it look more HDR than on LCD televisions. It’s what I noticed in seconds when I saw the first images on the Bravia 7.
I couldn’t wait to replace it with the C3. Even a WRGB panel is noticeably better than a top end LCD.
Would B9 work fine for gaming such as COD and FIFA? Would the latency noticeable compared to OLED?
Here in Australia, except for a once-off crazy sale, the B9 is always cheaper than the G4 at least for the 85/83 size that I was looking for. Right now, the B9 85" (4.6K) is 2K cheaper than the 83" G4. So it is a no-brainer for me as I dont game on TV and my TV viewing room is not totally dark (by choice). And not to mention the far superior sound quality of the B9 and very useful Voice Zoom for dialogue clarity.
@@Andrew-cp7mc at the good guys the 77 G4 is more than the 75 B9 a.t.m but they are close , I got the G4 did you get the B9 if so what's your take on it
@@bungalowtomcat1 Enjoying my 85 B9 very much; been trying out with dark movies like Sin City, 300, Alpha, it was spectacular for specular highlights and shadow details. For me, it has been to be >80" and versatile for day and night viewing in a living room with windows so not a difficult decision. Also the true white and shadow details of miniLED is more important to me than perfect contrast.
Looks like 83 G4 is very popular as stocks are limited it seems and price is holding up very well, outside of sales.
I have both and prefer the B9. I don’t care who wins, but i just do like the B9 more, especially when you are watching in bt2020. Then the G4 gets crushed. You can even enable bt2020 for everything and then finetune it a little bit and brightness is incredible. The G4 is also incredible, but i personally prefer a more vibrant image, then a perfect black level image. That said both are actually perfect!
I prefer the G4 because it’s a more all around TV that can do both movies and games well whereas the Sony is more movie oriented with some gaming capabilities
Can’t stand LG software prefer Sony’s
What is bt2020?
If you like vibrance you should have got a Samsung S95.
@@jollama Thats crazy to think considering Sony has Playstation lol.
I am a G4 owner, the brightness is eye searing
Sure Jan.
Same. The default brightness is way too much, people walking into the room get overwhelmed. I can't imagine how it won't be bright enough for 99% of living rooms.
Like, in a good way?
@@BigHugeChamp Yes. Very good. The extra brightness especially affects SDR content. I know the Bravia gets better marks for SDR, but the G4 produces the best SDR I've seen on an OLED. It almost looks HDR-like, if that makes sense.
@@EmblemParade sick. I’m waiting for Black Friday to pull the trigger but thanks for the info.
Suggestion / Question - If image processing is your biggest issue, are you better off just getting something like an NVIDIA Shield? How does that compare to the Sony and LG? I don't think I've ever seen anyone something like that.
Nah nvidia shield aint gonna help
@@Sarvesh_17 That's literally part of what the Shield does, the touted AI up-sampling and processing.
@@rodmunch69 its nothing compared to the actual tv processing
@@Sarvesh_17 oh thank you for gracing us with your incredible knowledge. God bless.
@@rodmunch69 The Nvidia Shield is 5 or 6 years old now, and when it was new it could upscale better than many of the TVs back then.
The TVs from the past 3 years keep getting better and better with processing and sharpening. So much so, that many are better than the Shield now. These two TVs are some of the best in upscaling and are better than the Shield. This doesn't make the Shield bad, just not an upgrade.
People usually forget that theatre projectors as expensive as they may be have black levels far less than high end LCD like B9. Pure physics of a projected image. On top of that super expensive color grading reference monitors like the Sony HX3110 are exclusively LCD and not OLED.
In the future Oleds will be eventually replaced by micro leds.
7:46 The Bravia's dE is tiny accross the board, how does it get a lower accuracy score than the G4? This makes no sense
Nice review, Abbey - really helped me choose the G4!
Excellent writing and presentation. Great review!!
Hey Abbey 🎉🎉🎉 happy 50th appearance! 😂. Thanks for the comparisons. I had both of these TVs in my home in the 85 inch class for Sony and the 83 inch class for LG.
I chose the LG G4 in 83 inch installed on wall . Even with it being a WOled I’m more than confident with my purchase . The google software played a part in my decision along with a few other things. But I’m confident with my purchase . I tried to go mini led for main room so I didn’t have to worry about burn in etc . But with Best Buy total and the 5 year panel warranty I feel secure either way . Also forgot to mention , on the 83 inch G4 all the inputs are along the left side for ease of access while wall mounted .
Thanks again for the video .
Una garantía de 5 años contra quemados, da mucha tranquilidad.
@@tigresa821 Sí, da mucha tranquilidad.
4:58 to 5:08 is there actually really UHD as it should be called but advertised as 4K content being broadcast over the air?
My question regards longevity. OLED - meaning organic / will these pixels last as long as a mini LED? The information I was given was no - is this true?
No, they fade dim out over time.
The pixels themselves won't last as long on an OLED compared to mini LED but the mini LED get degraded in different ways, particularly dirt screen effect. If DSE looks bad on a screen, it hurts the picture just as bad as burn-in.
@@frommatorav1 Nice try. DSE is upfront and you do a return. it is nothing like burn in which degrades over time.
@vybo8921 DSE gets worse over time also. It doesn't usually start on day 1. The TV I had with DSE, it started at about 14 months. Within another year it was awful, but it's gradual, so you may have trouble with warranty.
@@vybo8921 Which LEDs also degrade over time, just at a reduced rate compared to OLED. Also, LCDs also degrade over time and can suffer from other issues. The only display I've experienced "burn-in" on was an LCD in a smartphone.
Well I've got thin stripes of direct sunlight coming through the blinds and that pretty much kills any oled out of my choices. Maybe this should be talked about more.
If only there was technology that could manage light from blinds! Guess its curtain call for OLED, let's stop making them, they are truly devil incarnate, seeking only to dwell in darkness! Oh, right, curtains exist.
Please review the newly US released Panasonic OLEDs!
Got a sonos sound bar. Instead of using the hdmi for it, I used the optical port. Works out fine.
I'm happy not being one of those people that feels like I need the latest and greatest and most expensive. So I ended up getting the LG C3 and it has been and will continue to be an absolutely awesome TV in my livingroom.. A little under $2000 for a 65-inch C3 and 5yr warranty meaning I am covered until 2029 an in NO need to upgrade at least till then.. Its a wonderful thing the late adopter life..
Any burn in sign
@gauravgoel8092 ??Burn-in?? Unless your purposely absolutely trying to get Burn-in and doing it for years then Burn-in really isn't a thing..
So NO no Burn-in on my C3 or my C1 I have had since 2021
@@RedPillAlways great to hear that, thank you. In the top trend reply in this thread, few people are speaking like the latest oled tvs like G4 will be unuseful within 3 years. My oled tablet has no sign of burnin in 3 years.
@gauravgoel8092 your welcome. yeah to be honest these people that talk about burn-in are really stuck in the past the funny thing is it was Samsung that promoted the burn-in so heavily as an Anti- OLED thing and now Samsung does OLED. Now yes back in the early days of OLED TVs burn in was pretty bad but since 2019 you pretty much have to go out of your way and purposefully try to get burn in and you have to try and do it for a very long time.
But for regular everyday use movies TV shows Sports gaming whatever. No. My C1 is working on being 4 years old and is perfectly fine. The only reason I got the LG C3 for my living room is because the C1 just wasn't bright enough. Now the C1 is my Bedroom TV and the C3 is marvelous and will stay in my Living room for years to come
OLED is the BEST way to go IMO..
@@gauravgoel8092 No burn-in on my LG C1. About to be 2 years old with over 9000 hours use on it.
Sony all day every day. At least for me. Or maybe the Panny z95a!
Love my A95L
A friend in the u.k has the Z95A and says in any input and any content , even low bit 480p and up just upscal and look amazing 👏 and the colour accuracy is perfect and rich 👌 hope that helps , I'm in Australia 🇦🇺 so I'll get him to ship me one 😂
We're looking forward to testing the new Panasonic TVs!
Waiting on my Sony Bravia B9 75-inch to be delivered Wednesday 😂
I auditioned the A95L, the Panny Z95A and the LG G4 in person at my local AV dealer here in the UK. These are the three best TVs in the market now.
When calibrated and viewed from a reasonable distance in a dark room, they all look equally good and you can’t tell any difference unless you compare zoomed in screen caps side by side, so it boils down to features.
I bought the LG G4 because it’s the only one that has four full speed HDMI 2.1 ports (I need three of them for my gaming devices). This is where Sony and Panny need to improve, it’s not good enough for a flagship TV to only provide two HDMI 2.1 ports in 2024.
BTW, I upgraded from a Panny GZ2000 and I had a Sony Bravia FALD TV before that, so I’m not an LG fanboy by any means.
Which is the best tv money can buy for mostly 1080p videos upscaled to 4k or 8k ofc
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Can a stand be bought separately for the G4s larger sizes if you’re not allowed to wall mount in your apartment for example?
I subbed because of Abby, she's a delight! Grats on the 50 vids this year
i had both side by side in accurate settings for over two weeks. in most scenes the G4 looks better because of the per pixel contrast. In brightness they are on par. the B9 is brighter in large uniform brightness area scenes, the g4 is brighter when there are smaller brightness gradients. in many scenes they look identical brightness wise but G4 looks more 3dimensional and more detailed due to per pixel oled contrast.
you can't compare with content that doesn't use your TV's brightness. moreover you base yourself on one type of content but a television is several sources. the sony is 5 times brighter than the lg G4
The comparisons you make when looking at a 5cm screen are absurd but above all you forget that the contrast of OLED is a disadvantage if you don't have 4K sources
This is exactly my observation too, you have put it in perfect ways. Allow me to copy your comment to post for some replies please.
Can i get good sound out without significant delay or loss in sound quality if i pair 2 echo studios via alexa app to lg g4? Or does the sound come out of only one speaker? Or is it that i can use the speakers as only controls but not as speakers?
There are no forums that answer this.
Where is your Panasonic Z95A review? :)
Brian's tech has a lg g4 v Panasonic on UA-cam
Thank you for gracing us with your presence 🎉
I’m just still not sold on OLEDs. Just picked up the Bravia 7 last week and am more than pleased. Considering I occasionally play games, watch movies, watch sports, and occasionally use it as a computer monitor, the risk of burn in with OLED would be too high. If I was getting a TV purely for movie watching, an OLED would be a no-brainer. But if I’m going to be using it for various types of media, I’m going to stick to LED. I went with the Bravia 7 instead of 9 because multiple reviews, including Rtings, stated that it doesn’t lag far behind the 9 in real world content. The price to performance increase ratio wasn’t good enough, but I still wanted a Sony. It’s a beautiful TV with more than enough nits.
You bought a great TV, so I'm sure you'll be happy with it.
I just have one gripe about your comment about OLED. The fact that you vary the content is a positive "for" OLED. I'm typing this comment on one now and because I stream TV, watch sports, watch movies and view various media from my PC on it, my 65" LG C1 OLED has no signs of burn-in with almost 2 years of use and close to 10k hours. As long as you're using an OLED with varying content, the chance of burn-in is minimal. If my screen is static for too long, it just dims.
I'm more of a budget buyer and have a Sony X90L for main console and tv and an LG B4 for bedroom PC. I know Abby mentioned the stutter on OLEDs to be poor and that Sony Bravia 9 is only marginally better than the G4 but what's not mentioned is that LG locks all those features when in PC mode on all of their Oleds. At the least when watching UA-cam videos on my PC hooked up to either TV, the Sony X90L will always look smoother and better to my 120 fps eyes than the LG B4. There's gimmicks you can do to unlock motion smoothing on the LG displays when hooked up to a PC but I just can't recommend it. If the gaming is mainly consoles then sure the LG is wonderful. But I think the Bravia 9 is still extremely impressive. The biggest downside to me is Sony only supporting hdmi 2.1 on two ports one including the E-Arc. They really gotta move past that.
The risk of burn in is mostly exaggerated by those who don't own them. At this point you'd expect there to be thousands of people saying they're switching back to LCDs from having burn in, yet it's nearly nonexistent. It really seems more just like people justifying buying a new LCD over OLED rather than from serious concern.
I hate insinuating that but it seems clearly the case. LCDs aren't inherently bad, but you should know why you're buying what you are.
@Sweet-Tooth31 there shouldn't be stuttering on an OLED from gaming vs an LCD. That would mean your games are stuttering, which they really shouldn't. She said OLED shows the jutter in 24hz content like movies more. All displays do, but OLED shows it more because of how fast the transitions are.
Let it be known you are still supposed to use V-sync when using G-sync/ Freesync and consoles always do. The if you're seeing stuttering from an improper frame rate you may no have VRR enabled. A lot of people always just assume it will work immediately but most displays need it enabled both on the TV and in your graphics control panel.
You may also just have generally too low a frame rate. You can try just using a frame generator like lossless scaling. I'm kinda assuming this is a high possibility as people rarely use frame rate counters.
@Skylancer727 I apologize. I misused the term stutter when meaning Judder referring to 24hz content.
TLDR: Oleds are best with streaming apps and video game consoles. With mixed PC usage, I find it cumbersome. LED based panels like the Sony Bravia series make mixed PC usage more favorable, for me.
If I'm gaming on the LG B4 with my PC, I'm using 4k 120 fps with ALLM, VRR/GSYNC and there's no screen tearing or stuttering for games. Unless they're poorly optimized. However, even if I set the HDMI input my PC is connected to (rtx 3080) to Game Console or Home Theater or whatever, it will still lock nearly all Clarity settings including TruMotion which is the Motion Interpolation to make 24hz content appear smoother. I want this setting on for movies I play with PotPlayer or VLC. The only way I've found to have it work with my PC such as when playing movies or anime or UA-cam is by setting the refresh rate to Ultra HD 2160p @ 60hz (instead of PC Mode 2160p 120hz) in the Nvidia Control Panel and turning the refresh rate from Gsync Compatible to Fixed Refresh thus disabling VRR. This allows me to change Clarity settings, specifically TruMotion where I can set De-Judder strength to 3 or 4 depending on taste.
Gaming in general with Oleds, honestly fantastic. I find this anecdotal use case for me regarding movies on Windows to be annoying when I compare plugging my PC to the X90L in the living room. Even with the PC plugged in, I can easily switch to Cinema and have access to Motion settings without messing with the resolution and frame rate. Idk if there's a demand for LG to adopt something similar.
Technically I could just get something like an Nvidia Shield and use Plex and avoid all the PC issues by using a different input on the LG B4. I know I'm a minority, to me judder on movie content is a huge deal breaker more so than HDR brightness or Pitch Black contrast. Sony's Motion handling is something I wish every manufacturer had.
Wow. Not a word about sound quality & options. Also nothing about on-screen menus and Ui. Also, does LG offer the equivalent to SONY’s Bravia (now SONY) streaming service?
Why would you spend that much on a TV and not get speakers?
A nifty 50! 👏🏼👏🏼
The G4 is going to be my next TV!!!!
But now Panasonic gave me something else to think about... 🤨🤨
What do you mean that "noticeably dimmer in Game Mode" is a con for G4, when in the review you wrote there is almost no difference in brightness in Game Mode?
@@speancer did she say that? I didn’t catch it. Might’ve been referring to the C4.
@@BigHugeChamp 14:04
which is better tcl 55c765 or hisense u8kq or u8nq?
Big congrats on 50 vids! Consumers are better for your contribution to the internets.
Congratulations on your 50th appearance this year, egg on the internet. 🎉
Haha good point !
Abby is fantastic, always glad to see video reviews from her.
How is the G4 sold cheaper than the B9? That depends on size and that LG gives more discount more often.
Does anyone know if either of the two models have a picture in picture or split screen option I like to play video games and have watchable content on at the same time.
The G4 can have split screen and PiP with up to 4 different sources.
We need a review of the 48" LG B4, the prices on those are amazing right now but I've never seen measurements of it.
Additional important Advantages of (B9) miniLED:
1. No risk of burn-in if you use it as a PC monitor.
2. No Brightness Limiter of bright full screen HDR scenes or dimming of static logos/huds etc.
3. Superior Motion Clarity due to Black Frame Insertion at 60/100/120hz without any noticeable brightness drop where G4 will lose around 50% brightness.
Burn-in only happens if you're an office worker.
As a gaming monitor you would have to be insane to buy the B9 instead of the G4.
The LG G4 is the best gaming display on the market bar none.
@budthecyborg4575 what about the S95d? That dog 🐕 will hunt....
@@budthecyborg4575nah, burn in can and does happen on plenty of gamers' OLED TV's or for people watching a lot of news/network TV with banners or logos on their screen, depending on the frequency of use.
@@budthecyborg4575also, nope. The B9 is a fantastic gaming TV. No one will be disappointed with its performance.
@@budthecyborg4575 Sorry mate, but you're all wrong. "Burn-in" in OLEDs is cumulative, so no matter what you do it just degrades because of its organic nature. Manufacturers try to mitigate it through various tricks like pixel shifting etc. but the truth is OLED will degrade in the end and it will do quicker in situations where you watch news with a lot of static elements or do gaming and let's be real, almost every game has some kind of HUD - another static element. Even if you watch/play stuff without static stuff whatsoever your display will still degrade over time, 5 years is probably the maximum you can get from OLED without degradation being very noticeable. Don't get me wrong, OLED is the best technology in terms of picture quality but it has a lot of drawbacks and if you want your display to last at least a decade you should probably get Mini LED until Micro LED becomes affordable for us consumers.
Only issue I see is comparing flawed tech like OLEDs to stable tech that won’t be guaranteed to degrade and will have burn in.
Abby more importantly which one should I get bravia 8 or s90d Samsung ?
I ended up with both and honestly 65inch they are so much the same it Scarry, if I had to choose it would be SONY
Something never mentioned is the often huge problem with vertical banding on these WOLED LG panels. Tons of people having returned them. Because just like how DSE can be bad on LED TVs. This type of banding can be outright nasty on the LG OLEDs. Which can be easily seen in light content, where DSE would be seen.
But OLED always get a pass and ignoring flaws they have.
There’s no vertical banding or DSE on my G4, so it’s not as if it’s a problem that affects every WOLED set
Weird you say its never mentioned when it was mentioned in the video you're commenting on...
@@little_fluffy_clouds Yeah its a panel lottery issue, and I've seen the same thing happen on LCD panels where a stripe of the LED backlights was degrading/failing, leading to noticeable delineation between zones).
G4 has MLA for brightness, but loses vibrancy at high brightness. So much for a technology that only kills the picture quality.
Bravia 9 doesn't have this issue.
In your Color Volume comparison (8:17) it is clear the Bravia 9 has better colors, and also pure white without a tinge of blue, unlike the G4.
so an ice hockey game would not dim on the Bravia 9 and the G4 and Sony A95L would?
@@gosman949 I have watched hockey a lot on my LG C1 OLED, which isn't as good as the G4 and I never have an issue with it dimming during a game, unless I pause the screen. If it's paused, it dims, but in live action it hasn't.
@@frommatorav1 dimming it should do during pause. Rest room breaks are necessary during games!
@@gosman949 Correct. I'm fine that it dims when I pause because that helps prevent the burn-in. My point is that it "only" dims when I pause, and not when the bright white ice of hockey is being shown during the hockey game.
Yeh but an oled to lcd the upscaling would be ,even, as they are so close anyway , as oled has like 10% better things to make the LG G4 be even in upscaling detail and smoothing , that should be an answer , answered ????
Which TV is better: the G4 or the M4?
When will PHOLED be installed in the LG TV? 2025 or 2026?
I bought an OLED in 2017, and it is basically unwatchable at this point due to burn-in. While I do have a static image burn-in near the bottom of the TV, it recently developed a general burn-in in the center third of the TV that is not a static image but appears more like a smear. Because of where it is and its impact on colour panning across the screen, it is extremely distracting. I love OLEDs for picture quality but will go with a mini LED until newer OLED technology that promises to eliminate burn-in shows up in production TVs.
I have the 77" G4 OLED and I can honestly say its a great TV, and even at 1000 nits in HDR its very bright so it must be the MLA+ panel working its magic. Some times it is too bright especially at night it can be eye searing! While blacks are pure black and colors pop as well
Yes.
im going g4 this time but with insurance this time unlike with s95b. my first oled tv dying on me still pains me. i loved it so much. 😮💨
Why do you guys say you’ll “lose it” if you use the soundbar for E ARC?
There are tons of soundbars that have HDMI 2.1 pass through. You literally don’t have to lose anything, if you do even a modicum of research and prep.
Happy 50th!!! 🎉
Whay you never Revew panasonic z95a?
a quand le test du Z95 ?
This is an excellent comparison. One thing I find to be problematic in these comparisons though, they only use the newest Ultra HD movies and shows for testing. There are 100 years of movies, and some of the newer models (like LG C4) have extremely poor ability to render film grain on older shows. So much so that is makes them look much much worse than on a TV from 10 years ago. I'd like to see comparisons that include a broader range of historical content for those who watch a broader variety.
She did talk about image processing and upscaling of older content and gave the edge to Sony.
No one is going to notice 4.4ms difference in input lag. That is NOT what people notice. It is pixel response time and that OLED are more clear in movements because of it.
Input lag is the moment you press a mouse button to the point of response on the screen. 4.4ms is 4.4 THOUSANDS of a second. A blink of an eye is way slower. In fact a single frame at 144Hz is SLOWER than 4.4ms. So tell me people. How many people can see individual frames at 144hz (fps). So NO you're not going to notice any input lag difference.
It's almost infuriating how people don't understand these things.
The best human reaction times with pro players meaning "pressing a button" is 120-140ms or so. That is pretty darn far away from 4.4ms isn't it. So if you react 15times slower than the difference of these TVs, that input lag difference means jack squat.
The advantage again with OLED is the pixel response time. Which is a visual cue on the screen. That however is a negative watching slower frame rate content.
Does local dimming even work in game mode?
Sort of yes
@@bungalowtomcat1 what does "sort of" mean 😅
@@TheRealBOBlibob just depends if you put it into the right hdmi spot then your fine and then choose the right settings 😉
@@bungalowtomcat1 That's great to hear. I have been avoiding Mini-LED TVs for a while because of local dimming usually turning off in game mode.
I have had Sony for the past 20years. Now considering to move to LG because value x money isn’t making much sense with Sony. I also don’t understand why did Sony stop 55”…
the market does not want high end 55" inch TVs - simple.
I’m rooting for the Sony, very impressive tv technology. Thank you for a detailed and entertaining comparison.
Side note: you look lovely ☺️
Good thing you tested the Bravia 9 before its latest September firmware update which has completely borked a bunch of the settings and messed up the gaming picture quality.
It's temporary and will be fixed by Sony soon.
@@mikej6565 I hope you are right. This was a really bad update.
@@DarkKnight-gw4gw It's the worst update on a higher tier Sony TV in years... They know about it and removed the firmware download. Fingers crossed it's fixed immediately!
That HRF OLED issue where certain parts of the screen seem to sort oof strobe is not mentioned - that's a pretty big thing to skip. Do any OLED sets not suffer from this or it just some sets?
All TV's do this, it's just more noticebable on OLED's. Assuming you're referring to VRR flicker.
Brightness is much more complicated. We also perceive something as "brighter" when contrast is better, and the G4 contrast is better. So for sure the Sony has more peak brighntess than the G4, but not that much more as the pure measurement data shows, so the difference between both TVs isn't that much.
G4 owner here as well as a Hisense U8N. Full screen white brightness is better on the U8N but honestly, the G4 seems brighter when in use even if the nit numbers say otherwise. The U8N is a poor man's Bravia 9, hence why I'm bringing this up. OLED>>>Mini LED for me but it's all personal preference. Oh, and Sony, give us 4 HDMI 2.1 ports already!
Comparing a second-rate Chinese product with deceptive marketing (does it even have quantum dots?) to Sony should be taken as an insult, as it is.
lol hisense is trash
@@salesfocus6270 for the money, they’re better than you’d think. They’re no LG G4 or Bravia 9 but the U8N is really good for $1000
You're coping. 3700 nits of brightness vs 1400 and that's just for the 10% window, it's not even close and these new mini LED panels have up to 5 times higher brightness across the board. 50 - 100% windows on OLEDs are just sad, you can't get a proper HDR experience with 120 - 400 nits.
@@marfg12345 you do realize OLED’s get way brighter with specular highlights so the G4 looks brighter. Thats plain facts from my eyeball’s perspective. Mini LED is awesome OLED is the superior technology.
Why does this soumds like an ad for OLED? I got a LG C1 and I regret it.
The stress of knowing I may have burnin is too much for me. I'll stick to LCD/LED from now on.
How often were you using your screen?
@@matthewitaliano9088 a minimum of 4 hours a day.
8 months into ownership, I spend 2 hours watching Anime. I switched over to UA-cam and noticed images retention. It lasted for 12 hours (I was in talks with Best buy because I have a warranty with them)
After this event, I went back to my Old TCL. Sure the TCL looks inferior to the OLED, but the stress of getting image retention or burning again is too much for me.
I thought getting a warranty that supposedly covers burning will be enough to alleviate my concerns, but I was wrong
I have a c1 and I love it. I got a 5 year warranty and just use it like I would any other TV.
@@paulcox2447 that was my intent as well. I made sure the warranty I got will cover burn in. However after 8 months and experiencing that 12 hour image retention, I learned that the stress of burn in was too much for me. The picture quality isn't worth it.
How long have you been using C1? Any burn in signs?
Is G4 better than Sony B7?
For sure and it's better than B9 too!
Which model do you recommend for watching high-quality movies of the zoo, and your movies and series?? Bravia 9 or LG G4?!! Top image quality is a priority for me, thank you very much for your help 🌹🙏🙏
B9
Why not Bravia 8?
I’ll take the Sony a95l any day
Yeah same here.
I would except the price prohibits me. The best i can do is a 77 G4 or a 75 B9.
you say the lg G4 has better contrast: the joke, specify in the dark, with grays which are black and whites which are gray.
I want an OLED but no matter how much some of the fanboys say burn in isn’t an issue it can still happen. Just because those lot haven’t had issues doesn’t mean others don’t or haven’t. I’ve had 3 previously and all went back to retailer for screen issues which have left me seriously hesitant to get another even though I want to. Just because I wouldn’t be able relax with one.
I agree. I've always owned LG OLED's, and the burn in will and does happen. Love the picture, but I'm dome with OLED's. Purchased a 75-inch Sony Bravia B9.
No burn in if I keep always under 50% brightness?
No burn in if I keep always under 50% brightness?
Every laptop, TV and desktop computer monitor I own is OLED, for 5 years now. No sign of burn on any of them and I don’t take any special precautions, I just don’t max out the brightness, it would hurt my eyes anyway.
You can certainly relax, a modern OLED like G4 won’t burn in as log as you don’t run it at max brightness, and even if it does, LG covers it under warranty
@@-Yeti- OK, what sense does it make to have a review bragging about how bright the C4 is, if you have to cut it 50% back to prevent burn in?
I have a G4 in my bedroom, for night time viewing it is almost uncomfortably bright. For SDR I have to ISF expert dark room, for hdr I gotta do cinema usually
Can't you just lower the peak brightness? Or something.?
@@makaiokalahama yea you can I’m just using the preset modes as a reference point. I also had an LG C1 and none of the preset modes ever felt bright enough. In contrast, the darkest preset mode on the G4 in sdr (isf dark) actually feels bright enough for nighttime
@@arturoluna475 I just got my G4 yesterday, I'm enjoying it. Playing Ghost Recon Wildlands right now.
I love the brightness. My sammy mini led is beast
I would pick the g4 good allround tv, handles all minds of video and audio, better priced and oled thus nice deep colors and black values amount of hdmi ports also ok
Great comparison self emissive for me all day every. I have gone from plasma to oled, and soon as micro led isn't a million dollars right to self emissive micro led .
I wish Sony would make a TV with 144Hz. They're really lagging behind the competition
She completely ignores the downsides of oled. burn in is real despite what so folks insist and gaming is the worst for burn in. The brightness fading auto with oled is annoying as hell.
From my understanding the only time when burning can be a real risk is if you sit there and leave your TV on a static image of any kind for a long period of time as in multiple hours every day of the year for at least 3 to 5 years straight at least on today's OLED technology
I don't know about you but if I know I'm done using my TV for at least 30 minutes or more, I'm cutting the TV off and guess what that prevents the burning issue. Also says electricity so it's a win-win no matter what if you just take one measly second and press one little button
Abby is the best Rtings I hope you hear me. If she quits im gone lol jk. Seriously give her a raise though and don't be cheap.
The 50th Abby's vids wohoo ! And G4 FTW.
B9 is the GOAT
If the bravia 9 has the rainbow glare of the x93l then its a no go for me. Thats partly why i replaced my x93l with an lg c4.
Need a PS5 PRO t.v. My previous t.v. was LG C8 OLED. I want to try the Sony Bravia 9. Pricy but w/e
Abby way to go! Your the 1st to almost make me forget about Cedrics classic reviews from long ago.
I summarize your opinion: the bravia 9 is better in hdr in sdr but take the lg G4 because it is oled
I find it baffling that even the top of the range TVs that cost 4000$ only have 4 HDMI ports. Every port doesn't have to be be 2.1 but can we please get 6 or 8? I already use up my 4 with an AppleTV, console, eARC and a bluray player. What if someone wants to add a cable box, second console or occasionally connect a laptop or gaming PC? Given one port is permanent used up for audio for many people, 3 is just far too few video inputs to work with.
DisplayPort over USB C is definitely a thing and I think replacing the USB A 2.0/3.0 ports with USB C 3.1+ would be more useful to more people than adding more HDMIs.
I'm guessing the reason they don't is because it's expensive to assign that much bandwidth to that many ports, plus they don't want add more licensing fees when margins on TVs are already shrinking fast
Braiva 9 for life! 4,000 nits in a 1% window is pure gold... Love you all...
It can't reach 4000 nits.
@@SagaciousFrank and if it could you wouldn’t want it too lol. Not trying to wear sunglasses while watching tv. G4 hits the sweet spot.
@@BigHugeChamp until burn in occurs or the organic pixels start to fade and die, which WILL eventually happen. I'll stick with a TV that will still look fantastic in 5,10 or even 15 years. Given just how good the Bravia is it's an easy choice.
@@stewiegriffin5084 exactly 💯 👏
@@stewiegriffin5084 love me a Sony!