There is a big theme of helixs and twins in the game (twins are obvious, and there are a lot of helix weapons like the godslayer great sword and the Bolt of Gransax). Seeing the cut warped sword makes me wonder of "whorls" were also a similar visual theme earlier in development. As you say, its similar to the omen sky ending and the sky in the lichdragon fight. More loosely, there are the flaming whorls of the fire god in the eye of the fire giant. From certainly likes to fill their games with certain forms. e.g. Bloodborne has tons of different enemies and statues with a "hunched over" form. Edit: lol should have watched the rest of the video and see that my connections were mentioned. I don't always think a single shape means a single connection. I do think From's designers have forms they like. E.g. both Bloodborne and Otogi 2 have a final boss that appears in a cutscene in front of a red moon with "tentacles" (in BB its the Moon Presence, in Otogi 2 its a nine-tailed fox where the tails are visually similar to the MP's tentacles).
I also thought it looked similar to Godwyn's imagery. The swords being reminiscent of the Haligtree and Godwyn give more credence to them coming back in the DLC too, so that would be nice.
Personal theory: this would have also been connected to Hewg's questline. Specifically, THIS is the weapon that is supposed to slay a god. I always found it weird that was his order, but the weapon is just "ehh, whatever the tarnished is using." It feels wrong. No evidence for this, but given this would be the only weapon that has its own progression in-game, I think it fits
Keeping the fandom breathing without any news of the dlc M8 thank you 🙏🏻 at least we can expect a update for the game around nov2 or7th has been around that time
I never knew about this, so I always thought that the cut Muriel sword quest had to do with one of the Carian or Golden Order weapons (DMGS, Nigh and Flame, or Golden Order GS).
I think the 3 great swords are frenzy (with perhaps scaling being similar to sonaf), godslayer and, while white and gold are colors of royalty, they are also colors associated with ancient dragons here. Don’t get me wrong, the heavy thrusting swords combine strength, elegance and defensive playstyle, making them my favourite class, but I’m no fool, I’m aware greatswords are much more popular, so it’s strange they designed the dragon king cragblade before any dragon related greatswords, they probably just cut it, and will introduce it in the DLC. Miriel’s sword could have also been Radagon’s GS before deciding to give it to a random misbegotten tbh.
I'd rather speculate that its branching quest. You either unseal it properly revealing royal white-gold blade or you 'corupt' (or rather crack\\melt it open as there is a visible crack going along hilt) by something related to frenzy (three fingers, frenzied flame, involving vyke, etc)
Well I agree with you with the First sword I would have to say that I think personally the other two swords you can only get one of for they are the final reward based on decisions You make through the quest line ❤
i think the sword is an heirloom, a relic of radagons days as a general before he married renalla, and later given to miquella as a gift (mirroring the golden order spell miquella gives radagon)
I think it’s more of a branching thing you get the monument sword and you can either twist it into its vile form or you restore it to its holy form. Idk I think it could be tied to godwyn and miquella trying to revive him possibly so you could either help and get the holy form or hinder him and get the death form.
I have a damn good feeling that the fact that the giant turtle guy has the sword and gives it to you, makes me want to believe that Godwyn the Golden may have wielded this sword and used it for battle, just an idea that may reveal more about Godwyn.
I think the interesting part about that Sword Monument is not so much Godrick being titled "the Golden", which would have been common for the Golden Lineage throughout most of their history, but rather the fact it describes an event which clearly took place during the Shattering. Meanwhile a bunch of other monuments describe Godfrey's initial campaign of subjugation and the Liurnian War(s?) meaning even if it was a single institution or even an immortal person who erected all of them they have been around for a long, _looong_ time. And kept their style identical throughout, even down to the level of weathering.
the level of weathering I think would be more down to the devs, if they had to simulate different levels of weathering for each set of swords as they were placed throughout history, they would have to have used multiple different models which would take up more space and time in the long run, for what amounted to a cut quest EDIT: Aside from the weathering though I think you're 100% on the mark
I think you've got a really good observation - but then followed the wrong thread of cut content about swords rather than about Vyke. I think it's _significantly_ more probable that the sword Miriel is referring to would be the Dark Moon Greatsword, since it was explicitly bequeathed as a part of a marriage ceremony in the church where he resides. I think it's most likely that originally, after you received it from Ranni under ground, you would have needed to take it to him in order to have its Ash unlocked under the light of the Moon at the church as a part of completing your vow as Ranni's consort eternal (hence the animation for charging the Ash being to raise it skyward, allowing you to fire the arc with the heavy attack). This likely would have also connected to how Radagon's Fukl Moon Greatsword that he got through marriage to Rennala and reforged into his Golden Order Greatsword is inexplicably in the possession of a Leonine Misbegotten deep in a cave up north, and also why Master Hewg is tasked by Marika to forge a blade capable of killing a god as those bith lead to the Age of Stars ending where Marika is not repaired but fully slain. I assume that they just dialed back some of those details or didn't finish some of the miscellaneous additional elements with it, and all of this is _entirely unrelated_ to those 3 unused blades. I think it's significantly more likely to have been conceived as a part of Vyke's cut questline in Stormvale, especially given the nuances of the design work, and how it's connected to the history and Vyke was the closest to becoming Elden Lord. Especially given how much of the Merchants and Kalé's questlines were cut back, I would expect that this would have been a facet of those questlines with the sword likely changing based around a particular path that you follow at the Giant's Forge and whether you use Melina or yourself as the kindling - making all the difference in that as a forge with an eternal flame, and whether or not it burns your body.
Personally I think the quest would have had us find the sheathed sword, and then either take it to 2 separate locations, or complete a quest with 2 different outcomes, depending on which would allow you to "unsheathe" the sword into one of it's 2 forms. I think the twisted version bares a LOT more similarity with the sword Margit uses, it has the same kind of "oily" colour, even without the exact pattern, while also looking very twisted. The idea that it has 3 stages is interesting, but considering the "middle" stage looks pure and the "last" stage looks corrupted, I think it would have been a choice between the two states
If it is connected to the Haligtree, I wonder if it was cut to be part of the DLC if it does in fact center Miquella. Maybe it wasnt nececarily cut but saved for later.
A possible theory is that it was going to be Vyke's weapon before and after being frenzied. Then he was cut from his big role, so his lore important and quest dependent sword was cut with him and replaced with a spear. I think the dialogue about being underground from the turtle could be related to it possibly being left underground near the frenzy fingers. Then, the undoing is undoing the disfigurement of the frenzy influence. With the resemblance to the sword monuments, it could be chalked up to reusing an already made but unused asset, as the lore monuments seem a bit out of touch and talk about history from a very long span of time, which doesn't make too much sense and none ever acknowledges them or how they got there. However, I know it's bad theory crafting to chalk it up to practicality, even if it is true. Therefore, my lore inclusion to the sword monuments is that they are made by (____) someone I don't know who it'd be, but by the same people who made the sword. Vyke was gifted the sword as he was thought to be the one to become the Elden lord. That is why his sword and the monuments look the same since they were from the same group/person.
i assumed the monument swords had been at least crafted by Ijji since Jerren tells you he made swords "blunt as stone" that were also immune to the scarlet rot. Now i imagine we'd either get the weapon version made or sold by Ijji or find it somewhere like a dungeon or cave, then we'd get Miriel to have us do something with it to reach the unsealing bit and after that we would have been able to "corrupt" it with the frenzied flame
Maybe the sword was intended for vyke originally being marble or ivory and gold when you fight him at the lord contenders evergaol then when you fight him at the church of inhibition you get the melted version that or vyke would have been a quest line and the reward changes depending on your choices like helping him find Miquella gives the clean sword and if he finds the three fingers the melted version
Interesting idea. What if the Sheathed sword fought like a sword but dealt blunt/striking damage. the pure version Physical & Holy. the Frenzy version Fire and something else, maybe Magic & Fire, but sacling aligned with the Arcane stat. Each version would be slightly faster than the last with sheathed being slower and frenzy being fastest.
Maybe this was one sword that would get more powerful as you progressed. Like starting from maybe leyendell to ending with you beating Lichdragon Fortisaxx. I feel like it looks really close to how the arena looks in that boss fight
My theory is that you take the sword it is sheathed or sealed form, to be unsealed by Miriel and display its royal shine, only for the game to give you the choice of keeping it that way, or letting the opposite power melt it into that figure.
I wonder if the ornate sword may have to do with the Albinaurics with the Haligtree. I say that because the blade scheme is similar to both the Albinauric shield and Loretta’s shield. And the two being a dichotomy ; one can be about a good ending with Albinaurics finding the promised land, the other being the frenzied flame ending.
Maybe the twisted darkened blade was the second stage, and the white and gold version was it completely restored if we assume all three are the same. Hell, maybe Muriel was in charge of it because it was inbued with the Flame of Frenzy unintentionally, and we could purify it with unalloyed gold from like when we have the Frenzied Flame, or we could've used the Needle we get from Millicent's questline. Also, I hope Curved Greatswords get more love in the DLC. Like, maybe we could get a Curved Greatsword version of a weapon like Radahn's sword, or something that resembles the Omen Killer Blade, but with a guard and have it be lighter.
I hope If Miqulla is in the DLC that he has an amazing looking weapon that you would have to complete a quest line to get it. That would be something different and unique.
One thing worth noting is that cut content is generally cut for a reason, like how Kale's quest was likely cut because it incentivises the player to seek the Frenzy ending, which is otherwise the hardest and most out of the curve of the 3 types of endings, probably intended to be a little more of a secret ending for second playthroughs or the rare few who bumped into it (like the Dark Lord ending in DS1 or the End of Fire ending in DS3). For this sword quest, I can think of two big reasons why it was cut from the game: 1 - Having to trade an item for another as a quest step, meaning you would lose your previous sword. FromSoft has quests where you get different rewards depending on what you did, but they don't often force you to loose an item for a questline, usually they just have key items that serve solely for being sacrificed for quest progression (like Seluvis' potion, which has no use other than being given to someone as a quest step). The only exception I can think of for that rule is the Key of the Embeded from Dark Souls 2, so they have done it before once, but it's still not somethign they usually do. And the key was also a weapon you straight up had to sacrifice, not exchange for another, I think that's important because if you trade a sword for a different one, it can generate a lot of frustration if you feel like the new sword is worse than the previous one. For example, the sheathed sword would do strike damage, while the other forms likely would not. They also look more magical, so they might use int, fth or arc while the sheathed form uses only str and dex. They could also have different weapon skills that don't offer the same kind of utility the previous form did. Just baseless specilation of course, but these are some examples of differences that could make the questline unrewarding for someone. 2 - A questline revolving around a specific weapon could incentivise players to use that weapon, specially if they solve the previous issue by making the new forms better than the old ones so they feel rewarding. That could go against the principle of incentivising players to use several different weapons and experiment around, which could harm the intended experience. If someone starts this quest and ends up only using these swords for the entire game, that would make the whole journey less enjoyable since they wouldn't play around with different weapons and skills, not to mention it could make weapon loot less rewarding.
One thing I will say, is they made you trade both the swords from the lothrick princes fight in DS3 to get the combined sword. But that required 3 playthroughs I think.
@@jacobplyler6078 Yeah, but it not only takes multiple playthroughs, making it a far more optional bonus thing, it also clearly shows you the sword you'll get and what you're spending to get it, so the player can chose to make the trade or not. Questlines usually don't give you a clear explanation and menu screen of what you're doing. By th way, Demon's Souls has something similar to that, it's a sword called Northern Regalia that you forge by fusing two endgame swords. What they did there was making the Northern Regalia just undeniably better than either sword in every aspect.
@@urtoryu_dy_althraidn That's true. To your original point, implementation of the swords was more than likely the problem, especially if it was an upgrade or trade kind of thing through a quest. It could have been cool, but it could have also been hard to implement without breaking the game.
@@jacobplyler6078 I wasn't even considering the programming side of things either, but with the types of bugs and gliches you usually see in souls games, I could see that being the kind of thing that would be pretty easy to break too.
Bro I had no idea about the Turtle pope and this sword, I dindt even knew this sword even existed. That is very dope to know and Im very curious about it! An ultragreatsword with 3 phases that only can be hold by a true warrior. Very dope!
While watching this video. I came up with the idea that these three swords are not one sword that changes it's appearance, rather that those three swords exist individually and are in the posetion of three area bosses (not necessarily bosses). Like the burned sword could be a sword under the Three Fingers rule, the white sword under the rule of a royal versility and the "sealed" sword amongst an important, knowledgeable or powerful versility. Know what I mean?
As much as I’m looking forward to the new stuff in the dlc, I truly hope it adds as much of the cut content and quest lines back into the game as possible, things like kale’s or vykes quests especially, it’s a shame to see it go to waste
To me it DEFINITELY looks like it was going to be Morgotts weapon at first, and the crude blade is the one when he transforms to his 2nd stage. But I suppose they decided to change his weapon into a cane 🦯 🤔 I think the sword would have been kooler!
I personally think the second blade is partially sheathed. When u look at the top of the hilt the triangle ornament is dark like the third sword like it’s encased in marble covering the dark melt blade underneath
"This thing you thought was good was actually bad" is definitely very FromSoftware. Like the reveal in DeS that god is in fact the Old One and all Miracles actually come from the Old One.
When I first started playing it might have been coincidence but when I made a sign of respect in the way of one of those poses. I think I kneeled at the 1st 1 I brought it up at the time but I didn't see much about it.
Let's try taking a closer look to the sword Vyke wields on the cover. Edit: I took a look at it myself after watching this video. It's just a Longsword. Sadge.
6:24 the lines on the blade immediately reminded me of radagon as the mesh of radagon (berserk cursemark, bloodborne logo, ect) is present. Its a common icon in this game and it seems to always represent radagon or even us (as his usuper)
I’d also mention that the second “ornamental” sword is similar in style to the Royal Knight set furthering your idea that the sword is related to the Haligtree
The flame of frenzy looking sword also looks like the scorpion tail dagger in the rot area. At the base near the hilt you can almost see it still there
I think since church of vows is so closely related to Manus Celeste, the sword that turtle pope is referring to is The Darkmoon Greatsword. Or possibly its holy opposite with the Golden Order Greatsword as it is lost underground and the church of vows represents the marriage between Rennala and Radagon.
When the game released I was convinced that visiting all the sword monuments would reward me with something...makes since if there is cut content for it.
To me it seems that this swords ( or one sword in different phases ) was connected to games main quest and the ending. Maybe you had to have this sword to rightfully proclaim yourself the Elden Lord, and maybe Muriel was a part of the main questline ( logical because he seems a knowledgeable and important character to be just on the wayside in a random church ). Personally i think this three swords are one sword but in different phases of the game's ending. First one ( probably it gets unsheathed later ) is for Elden Lord ending(s) ( all 4 of them ), other bluish one is for Ranni's ending, and in the Flame of Frenzy ending your Elden Lord's sword becomes like this. Maybe it was even the idea that you would get that sword as a usable weapon after finishing the game ( like you get sword made from Radagon now ) depending on your ending. But that's just a theory...
Perhaps the Ranni ending substitutes the Darkmoon greatsword as a stand in? Almost a metaphor for what Ranni wishes to achieve. Also, needing a weapon to kill a god? Ties in nicely with Hewgs dialogue. Reckon your theory is pretty spot on.
@@kiltysalter2966 I completely forgot about Hewgs dialogue...it makes even more sense now. I was weirded out by his dialogue on my first playthrough because i expected ill get some sort of special weapon for the final boss but it turned out he was just ranting about how good he is at smiting.
The quest theory sounds so accurate when you line up how they (the swords) transform in appearance as the quest goes on with the more liquid looking version being the one you use. Next theory, what would is art be?
Moonlight and Darkslayer. Bet there be a quest from dlc to use a meditation emote below Gurranq to fight a dragon in the clouds. and perhaps even another quest underground for the dark version. The part that is inbetween the handle and blade look like the old one from demon souls, and I can't help but notice theres a giant soul eating tree. What if someone used the souls from the trees(Erd and Halig) to revive Godwyn? I feel like between Miquella creating their own tree and (potentially)Marika's statue pouring water out of a vase symbolize using souls like water to grow a tree. That shadow of the erdtree image could be the literal shadow of the Erdtree, like a mirror dimension where its dark tree has a shadow of light. Wierd bit of random finding, but the minor erdtrees church has three trees that look exactly like a taproot growing straight up, with branches of another tree grafted on to them. I think the side 2 are stunted for some reason, showing a 1/3 success rate. Perhaps the grafted branches don't always benefit the host, a lot like coral from AC6.
Something we don't know is what was Radagon's original weapon as a champion. But the darkened swirled design seems like nothing we've seen of the Golden Order before. The intricacies of its shape would suggest that it's not of the Frenzied Flame. It's possible still to be a weathered state of a once glorious sword. It's possible a Miquella quest would restore it more to a quality. I wouldn't put it past being for the DLC, nor to the way to it. I like to imagine it being found in the Lake of Rot or on the way to it.
Just going my motif, I can almost imagine the weapon being the sword of Godwyn. One a version corrupted by Death, while the other is an uncorrupted version. The related quest could have even had a step that would switch the blade from one state to the other, depending on which was the default. Turtle Pope seems to imply that you found it "underground", which to me tells me two places: the Nokron/Ainsel/etc. area OR the underground area where you fight Fortisax. The second sounds more likely.
What I think is it’s icons from a cut boss weapon from Morgott’s remembrance, since the second form looks so much like Morgott’s sword The writing on the monuments is kinda old-timey speak, like how Morgott speaks, perhaps because of his yearning for the past I could see this being an early version of his weapon, where he’d unsheath it in the royal form for phase 1, perhaps cloaked in illusion to hide his omen self, and resheath it and pull out the second form for phase 2, shattering his illusion, revealing his true self Wild speculation, but it’d be a neat idea for sure!
Whatever's the case, the unsheathed models clearly have a root formation-type design above the hilt, which may tie them to both of the trees. Then again, with what little info we have, there's a good chance they'll be used for the DLC, what with the deathroot swarming the Haligtree (yes, its the Miquella one, its outline is obvious).
Perhaps the bent sword is one forged in the flame of frenzy rather than corrupted and scorched, thus it does not have a rusted or burnt texture rather a darker hue
Ok this is gonna be confusing BUT, I believe those 3 swords are representative of Godwin, the white royal marble version is before the night of the black blade and the second version could be the distorted version mostly because the warped sword reminds me of the sky where we fight the nightmare dragon and even references mieurielles quote, it's obvious that the sword hasnt been used since his death and was left to gather dust in the hero's grave.
It sounds like you find the sword where you start the game, unseal it at the church, then be it that you kill the elder tree or fingers/hags and/or accept the flame madness while it'sequipped.
I feel like miriel would be the beginning of the quest. After the seal is broken and the sword unsheathed the next step is to take it to master hewg. He states the sword is not that great and isn't in any condition to be used but can be if forged with accient metals. The reason is because the sword absorb bits of grace at it lay dormant. Now the next step would be to find the accient metals. Maybe somewhere in the haligtree there is a hidden chest or boss that has the material. And then for the other metal it can be found at the top of the frenzied flame tower in a chest after defeating the enemies. But in order to use it it must be blessed mpby the three fingers. After you have both or one you can take it to iji and he can make a special ingot that you then take to hewg. Depending on what you choose you can get the haligtree's salvation or the unbound frenzy.
My theory would be that the questline related to the sword(s) being mentioned in the video is thus... It seems like its meant to be a questline with two different options or paths you could go down. One you take the monument sword to Turtle Pope and he unsheathes it and you get rewarded with the smooth, white and gold blade. The other being you take the monument sword to the three fingers or somewhere in deeproot depths or somewhere else, and thus you get the corrupted, twisted version of the blade. I dont think its three seperate weapons, i think its just one weapon that has two possible outcomes and the unsheathed sword you get depends on the choice you would have to make by the end of the questline
we gonna get the 3 swords in the dlc first is gonna be start of the quest, the other two you will get depending on which tree you help from that dlc art, this is all my guess but it looks like it could work
sounds like it's a spin on the northern regalia from demon's souls, but instead of two swords becoming one it's a sword that can become one of two states.
to me it feels like the Haligtree connection is RIGHT it FEELS right, I think maybe this sword would've been the literal blade of Miquella, a sword he actually used, it has an ornamental design that suggests more of an ornamental sword meant to show his nobility/godhood as Miquella seems to be shown as being someone who did not fight but rather his sister would instead fight for him perhaps you'd actually find the sword in the Haligtree or "resting against" a sword statue in the Consecrated Snowfield tho that feels unlikely, the warping is interesting as it would suggest being able to corrupt it via the Frenzy Flame (which in a sense could also connect it to Miquella even more due to Miquella's Needle being needed to remove the Frenzied Flame) or perhaps instead it would be found in the area before the Three Fingers and could be taken to the Haligtree where you would "cure" it restoring it to the marbled white blade another answer might be actually more interesting as it could instead suggest that Fromsoft may have actually considered playing around with World Tendency again but scrapped it, so hear me out perhaps the sword would've changed form based on your World/Player Tendency, where it would appear maybe as a stone sword at neutral, the marbled blade at white and the malformed blade at black or maybe even have worked like Soulbrandt and Demonbrandt where you could either find each version in different locations like ones at the Haligtree and has high Holy low Phys dmg and the other is at the Three Fingers and would instead be high Fire low Phys dmg though maybe instead of anything like that instead consider the "sheathed sword" being a 'weapon' it could also suggest a similar two halves make a whole type thing but instead by taking the sheathed sword to a certain location such as for eg the Haligtree you would be able to "transpose" it into the Marble Sword and it would gain holy damage or you take it to the Frenzy Flame and aslong as you are afflicted with the flame you can strip and interact with the fingers again and instead have the sword become the Warped Sword which would gain fire damage and ofc the AoW would change too 'Marble Sword' would gain a holy projectile type of move maybe like Miquella's Ring of Light or more uniquely it would have Radagon's Rings of Light as it's Ash of War while the 'Warped Sword' would likely gain something similar to Vyke's spear but perhaps also paralleling the Marble version by instead having a Frenzy Flame madness inducing version of Black Flame Ritual just with a bigger radius just my thoughts on it, I hope these will return in the DLC as I hope a lot of cut content will but we will have to wait and see
I personally think it could have been made by Iji there's one point where Blythe it says that his swords we're dull as stone but they were the only ones that could withstand the scarlet rott so maybe the people who wielded them knew how powerful they were and that they could survive the Scarlett rott but did not possess the capability to unsheathe them. So they wielded them with the sheath on and thus literally making them Dull as Stone.
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Did y'all see the fuckin runebear spirit summon icon? We can guess exactly why that mf was cut lol
There might be a connection to the alabaster lord sword. The handles seem very similar.
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Those 3 cut sword, just looking at them, seem like minor references to the 3 kings of Dark Souls 2 -- the Sunken, Ivory and Old Iron Kings.
Fingers crossed we get them in the dlc
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The warped sword reminds me more of the sky in the omen curse ending or in the lichdragon fight. Maybe it was Godwyn’s?
There is a big theme of helixs and twins in the game (twins are obvious, and there are a lot of helix weapons like the godslayer great sword and the Bolt of Gransax).
Seeing the cut warped sword makes me wonder of "whorls" were also a similar visual theme earlier in development. As you say, its similar to the omen sky ending and the sky in the lichdragon fight.
More loosely, there are the flaming whorls of the fire god in the eye of the fire giant.
From certainly likes to fill their games with certain forms. e.g. Bloodborne has tons of different enemies and statues with a "hunched over" form.
Edit: lol should have watched the rest of the video and see that my connections were mentioned. I don't always think a single shape means a single connection. I do think From's designers have forms they like. E.g. both Bloodborne and Otogi 2 have a final boss that appears in a cutscene in front of a red moon with "tentacles" (in BB its the Moon Presence, in Otogi 2 its a nine-tailed fox where the tails are visually similar to the MP's tentacles).
I also thought it looked similar to Godwyn's imagery.
The swords being reminiscent of the Haligtree and Godwyn give more credence to them coming back in the DLC too, so that would be nice.
Personal theory: this would have also been connected to Hewg's questline. Specifically, THIS is the weapon that is supposed to slay a god.
I always found it weird that was his order, but the weapon is just "ehh, whatever the tarnished is using." It feels wrong.
No evidence for this, but given this would be the only weapon that has its own progression in-game, I think it fits
If that's the answer then they may have cut it to avoid making the final boss fight too gimmicky.
Yeah, you don't want to "lock" the player into the weapon they are "supposed to be using."
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Keeping the fandom breathing without any news of the dlc M8 thank you 🙏🏻 at least we can expect a update for the game around nov2 or7th has been around that time
The handles of the swords are the same as the onyx and alabastar lords swords btw. Their otherworldy metalic hue is also a good fit for meteoric ore.
I thought it reminded me of the alabaster sword too
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I found it in the DLC!!! Stone-Sheathed Sword!!
I never knew about this, so I always thought that the cut Muriel sword quest had to do with one of the Carian or Golden Order weapons (DMGS, Nigh and Flame, or Golden Order GS).
I think the 3 great swords are frenzy (with perhaps scaling being similar to sonaf), godslayer and, while white and gold are colors of royalty, they are also colors associated with ancient dragons here. Don’t get me wrong, the heavy thrusting swords combine strength, elegance and defensive playstyle, making them my favourite class, but I’m no fool, I’m aware greatswords are much more popular, so it’s strange they designed the dragon king cragblade before any dragon related greatswords, they probably just cut it, and will introduce it in the DLC.
Miriel’s sword could have also been Radagon’s GS before deciding to give it to a random misbegotten tbh.
heavy thrusting swords have a very offensive playstyle its all jumping and running attacks
I'd rather speculate that its branching quest. You either unseal it properly revealing royal white-gold blade or you 'corupt' (or rather crack\\melt it open as there is a visible crack going along hilt) by something related to frenzy (three fingers, frenzied flame, involving vyke, etc)
Well I agree with you with the First sword I would have to say that I think personally the other two swords you can only get one of for they are the final reward based on decisions You make through the quest line ❤
Exactly what I was thinking. The first one looks like a "pure" version, while the second one looks more like an "omen" version
i think the sword is an heirloom, a relic of radagons days as a general before he married renalla, and later given to miquella as a gift (mirroring the golden order spell miquella gives radagon)
I think it’s more of a branching thing you get the monument sword and you can either twist it into its vile form or you restore it to its holy form. Idk I think it could be tied to godwyn and miquella trying to revive him possibly so you could either help and get the holy form or hinder him and get the death form.
I have a damn good feeling that the fact that the giant turtle guy has the sword and gives it to you, makes me want to believe that Godwyn the Golden may have wielded this sword and used it for battle, just an idea that may reveal more about Godwyn.
I think the interesting part about that Sword Monument is not so much Godrick being titled "the Golden", which would have been common for the Golden Lineage throughout most of their history, but rather the fact it describes an event which clearly took place during the Shattering. Meanwhile a bunch of other monuments describe Godfrey's initial campaign of subjugation and the Liurnian War(s?) meaning even if it was a single institution or even an immortal person who erected all of them they have been around for a long, _looong_ time. And kept their style identical throughout, even down to the level of weathering.
Or they made them all in one pass after the shattering. Maybe in order to promote a certain version of history.
the level of weathering I think would be more down to the devs, if they had to simulate different levels of weathering for each set of swords as they were placed throughout history, they would have to have used multiple different models which would take up more space and time in the long run, for what amounted to a cut quest
EDIT: Aside from the weathering though I think you're 100% on the mark
6:03 pursuer's sword
I think you've got a really good observation - but then followed the wrong thread of cut content about swords rather than about Vyke.
I think it's _significantly_ more probable that the sword Miriel is referring to would be the Dark Moon Greatsword, since it was explicitly bequeathed as a part of a marriage ceremony in the church where he resides.
I think it's most likely that originally, after you received it from Ranni under ground, you would have needed to take it to him in order to have its Ash unlocked under the light of the Moon at the church as a part of completing your vow as Ranni's consort eternal (hence the animation for charging the Ash being to raise it skyward, allowing you to fire the arc with the heavy attack).
This likely would have also connected to how Radagon's Fukl Moon Greatsword that he got through marriage to Rennala and reforged into his Golden Order Greatsword is inexplicably in the possession of a Leonine Misbegotten deep in a cave up north, and also why Master Hewg is tasked by Marika to forge a blade capable of killing a god as those bith lead to the Age of Stars ending where Marika is not repaired but fully slain.
I assume that they just dialed back some of those details or didn't finish some of the miscellaneous additional elements with it, and all of this is _entirely unrelated_ to those 3 unused blades.
I think it's significantly more likely to have been conceived as a part of Vyke's cut questline in Stormvale, especially given the nuances of the design work, and how it's connected to the history and Vyke was the closest to becoming Elden Lord.
Especially given how much of the Merchants and Kalé's questlines were cut back, I would expect that this would have been a facet of those questlines with the sword likely changing based around a particular path that you follow at the Giant's Forge and whether you use Melina or yourself as the kindling - making all the difference in that as a forge with an eternal flame, and whether or not it burns your body.
Personally I think the quest would have had us find the sheathed sword, and then either take it to 2 separate locations, or complete a quest with 2 different outcomes, depending on which would allow you to "unsheathe" the sword into one of it's 2 forms. I think the twisted version bares a LOT more similarity with the sword Margit uses, it has the same kind of "oily" colour, even without the exact pattern, while also looking very twisted. The idea that it has 3 stages is interesting, but considering the "middle" stage looks pure and the "last" stage looks corrupted, I think it would have been a choice between the two states
Looking back, your prediction about the location and state are so correct
Reminds me of the Goron sword questline from ocarina of time. Hope to see it in the DLC!
If it is connected to the Haligtree, I wonder if it was cut to be part of the DLC if it does in fact center Miquella. Maybe it wasnt nececarily cut but saved for later.
A possible theory is that it was going to be Vyke's weapon before and after being frenzied. Then he was cut from his big role, so his lore important and quest dependent sword was cut with him and replaced with a spear. I think the dialogue about being underground from the turtle could be related to it possibly being left underground near the frenzy fingers. Then, the undoing is undoing the disfigurement of the frenzy influence. With the resemblance to the sword monuments, it could be chalked up to reusing an already made but unused asset, as the lore monuments seem a bit out of touch and talk about history from a very long span of time, which doesn't make too much sense and none ever acknowledges them or how they got there. However, I know it's bad theory crafting to chalk it up to practicality, even if it is true. Therefore, my lore inclusion to the sword monuments is that they are made by (____) someone I don't know who it'd be, but by the same people who made the sword. Vyke was gifted the sword as he was thought to be the one to become the Elden lord. That is why his sword and the monuments look the same since they were from the same group/person.
I wish we got to see more of vyke with his journey being intertwined with the player
i assumed the monument swords had been at least crafted by Ijji since Jerren tells you he made swords "blunt as stone" that were also immune to the scarlet rot.
Now i imagine we'd either get the weapon version made or sold by Ijji or find it somewhere like a dungeon or cave, then we'd get Miriel to have us do something with it to reach the unsealing bit and after that we would have been able to "corrupt" it with the frenzied flame
Maybe the sword was intended for vyke originally being marble or ivory and gold when you fight him at the lord contenders evergaol then when you fight him at the church of inhibition you get the melted version that or vyke would have been a quest line and the reward changes depending on your choices like helping him find Miquella gives the clean sword and if he finds the three fingers the melted version
Interesting idea.
What if the Sheathed sword fought like a sword but dealt blunt/striking damage.
the pure version Physical & Holy.
the Frenzy version Fire and something else, maybe Magic & Fire, but sacling aligned with the Arcane stat.
Each version would be slightly faster than the last with sheathed being slower and frenzy being fastest.
Maybe this was one sword that would get more powerful as you progressed. Like starting from maybe leyendell to ending with you beating Lichdragon Fortisaxx. I feel like it looks really close to how the arena looks in that boss fight
My theory is that you take the sword it is sheathed or sealed form, to be unsealed by Miriel and display its royal shine, only for the game to give you the choice of keeping it that way, or letting the opposite power melt it into that figure.
I wonder if the ornate sword may have to do with the Albinaurics with the Haligtree. I say that because the blade scheme is similar to both the Albinauric shield and Loretta’s shield. And the two being a dichotomy ; one can be about a good ending with Albinaurics finding the promised land, the other being the frenzied flame ending.
Maybe the twisted darkened blade was the second stage, and the white and gold version was it completely restored if we assume all three are the same. Hell, maybe Muriel was in charge of it because it was inbued with the Flame of Frenzy unintentionally, and we could purify it with unalloyed gold from like when we have the Frenzied Flame, or we could've used the Needle we get from Millicent's questline.
Also, I hope Curved Greatswords get more love in the DLC. Like, maybe we could get a Curved Greatsword version of a weapon like Radahn's sword, or something that resembles the Omen Killer Blade, but with a guard and have it be lighter.
Curved GS don't really need more love, except maybe more infusable ones for variety. They have an amazing moveset, good reach, and spectacular damage.
@CsStrez I mean in variety and infusable ones. We have a ton of a variety of Greatswords, but the Curved Greatsword have a very limited variety.
The third sword reminds me a lot of the skybox we can see in Fia's dream when we fight Fortissax.
The second one looks pretty similar to the Miquellean Knight Sword. They both have the same colors of silver and amber.
I hope If Miqulla is in the DLC that he has an amazing looking weapon that you would have to complete a quest line to get it. That would be something different and unique.
One thing worth noting is that cut content is generally cut for a reason, like how Kale's quest was likely cut because it incentivises the player to seek the Frenzy ending, which is otherwise the hardest and most out of the curve of the 3 types of endings, probably intended to be a little more of a secret ending for second playthroughs or the rare few who bumped into it (like the Dark Lord ending in DS1 or the End of Fire ending in DS3). For this sword quest, I can think of two big reasons why it was cut from the game:
1 - Having to trade an item for another as a quest step, meaning you would lose your previous sword. FromSoft has quests where you get different rewards depending on what you did, but they don't often force you to loose an item for a questline, usually they just have key items that serve solely for being sacrificed for quest progression (like Seluvis' potion, which has no use other than being given to someone as a quest step).
The only exception I can think of for that rule is the Key of the Embeded from Dark Souls 2, so they have done it before once, but it's still not somethign they usually do. And the key was also a weapon you straight up had to sacrifice, not exchange for another, I think that's important because if you trade a sword for a different one, it can generate a lot of frustration if you feel like the new sword is worse than the previous one.
For example, the sheathed sword would do strike damage, while the other forms likely would not. They also look more magical, so they might use int, fth or arc while the sheathed form uses only str and dex. They could also have different weapon skills that don't offer the same kind of utility the previous form did. Just baseless specilation of course, but these are some examples of differences that could make the questline unrewarding for someone.
2 - A questline revolving around a specific weapon could incentivise players to use that weapon, specially if they solve the previous issue by making the new forms better than the old ones so they feel rewarding. That could go against the principle of incentivising players to use several different weapons and experiment around, which could harm the intended experience. If someone starts this quest and ends up only using these swords for the entire game, that would make the whole journey less enjoyable since they wouldn't play around with different weapons and skills, not to mention it could make weapon loot less rewarding.
One thing I will say, is they made you trade both the swords from the lothrick princes fight in DS3 to get the combined sword. But that required 3 playthroughs I think.
@@jacobplyler6078 Yeah, but it not only takes multiple playthroughs, making it a far more optional bonus thing, it also clearly shows you the sword you'll get and what you're spending to get it, so the player can chose to make the trade or not.
Questlines usually don't give you a clear explanation and menu screen of what you're doing.
By th way, Demon's Souls has something similar to that, it's a sword called Northern Regalia that you forge by fusing two endgame swords. What they did there was making the Northern Regalia just undeniably better than either sword in every aspect.
@@urtoryu_dy_althraidn That's true. To your original point, implementation of the swords was more than likely the problem, especially if it was an upgrade or trade kind of thing through a quest. It could have been cool, but it could have also been hard to implement without breaking the game.
@@jacobplyler6078 I wasn't even considering the programming side of things either, but with the types of bugs and gliches you usually see in souls games, I could see that being the kind of thing that would be pretty easy to break too.
Bro I had no idea about the Turtle pope and this sword, I dindt even knew this sword even existed. That is very dope to know and Im very curious about it! An ultragreatsword with 3 phases that only can be hold by a true warrior. Very dope!
While watching this video. I came up with the idea that these three swords are not one sword that changes it's appearance, rather that those three swords exist individually and are in the posetion of three area bosses (not necessarily bosses). Like the burned sword could be a sword under the Three Fingers rule, the white sword under the rule of a royal versility and the "sealed" sword amongst an important, knowledgeable or powerful versility.
Know what I mean?
This sounds far more legit to me
@@qualiswilliams7403 Thank you.
As much as I’m looking forward to the new stuff in the dlc, I truly hope it adds as much of the cut content and quest lines back into the game as possible, things like kale’s or vykes quests especially, it’s a shame to see it go to waste
Sword of miquella and Godwyn, I'm sure
8 months later, they are the sword of darknes, lgiht and stone sword XDD and are stright sword
To me it DEFINITELY looks like it was going to be Morgotts weapon at first, and the crude blade is the one when he transforms to his 2nd stage. But I suppose they decided to change his weapon into a cane 🦯 🤔 I think the sword would have been kooler!
Yeah it reminded me immediately of Morgott's cursed blood sword. But maybe just an earlier design for it.
I personally think the second blade is partially sheathed. When u look at the top of the hilt the triangle ornament is dark like the third sword like it’s encased in marble covering the dark melt blade underneath
"This thing you thought was good was actually bad" is definitely very FromSoftware. Like the reveal in DeS that god is in fact the Old One and all Miracles actually come from the Old One.
@@TheCrewExpendable and Muriel is such the type of npc that’s oblivious to this or knows and accepts everything for their defects like radagon
This may be a stretch, but if you look at them upright, don’t the bases of the blades look like deathroot?
You know what sword I want to get? The one that is wielded by skeletons in Farum Azula, like, why can't you get them?
maybe those swords are rewards depending on the ending you chose. but that's just me
Been a while since i played eldenring but didnt the blacksmith mention a sword that could kill a god to ? Or something
I always felt like the great dog had some type of important role in some type of quest line and now we know that he originally was.😺
Bro you really stretching this out 😂
Love the Metroid Prime theme in the background.
I like the journey idea that this Monument Sword possibly has.
The unsheathed one is definitely a nod to LOZ Majoras Mask. It looks nearly identical to the Gilded Sword!!! So cool!
When I first started playing it might have been coincidence but when I made a sign of respect in the way of one of those poses. I think I kneeled at the 1st 1 I brought it up at the time but I didn't see much about it.
Let's try taking a closer look to the sword Vyke wields on the cover.
Edit: I took a look at it myself after watching this video. It's just a Longsword. Sadge.
6:24 the lines on the blade immediately reminded me of radagon as the mesh of radagon (berserk cursemark, bloodborne logo, ect) is present. Its a common icon in this game and it seems to always represent radagon or even us (as his usuper)
I KNEW I SAW THOSE SWORDS BEFORE!!!
Took me a while but finally found the video
I’d also mention that the second “ornamental” sword is similar in style to the Royal Knight set furthering your idea that the sword is related to the Haligtree
Similar thing in Bloodborne (when the DLC hadn’t came out) is the whirlygig saw that the vermin npc attack you with.
for some reason that 3rd swirly sword remind me of the sky in Deeproot Depths while fighting LICHDRAGON FORTISSAX
Honestly these two swords, if anything, remind of those Demon's Souls swords the most. Soulbrandt and Demonbrandt
I though the twisted sword as you called it looked more like violent swirling water streams, then anything to do with fire.
The flame of frenzy looking sword also looks like the scorpion tail dagger in the rot area. At the base near the hilt you can almost see it still there
it actually kinda reminds me of the Crimsonwhorl bubble tear, which I guess would push the Fellgod connection, maybe reforged by a Giant?
the yellow parts of the warped sword remind me of the corpse wax used to repair gargoyles and their weapons
Who else would have crafted that sword if not Iji. He's the kind of guy, Been there got the T-shirt, has seen it all
The ornamental looking sword reminds me of the "Gilded sword" from Zelda MM.
I think since church of vows is so closely related to Manus Celeste, the sword that turtle pope is referring to is The Darkmoon Greatsword. Or possibly its holy opposite with the Golden Order Greatsword as it is lost underground and the church of vows represents the marriage between Rennala and Radagon.
When the game released I was convinced that visiting all the sword monuments would reward me with something...makes since if there is cut content for it.
what a great treasure you have found , great work ... :)
6:00 the blade reminds me of the Gilded Sword from Zelda Majora's Mask!
These swords makes me think of Lothric and Lorian's weapons from DS3
I live 10mins from those swords in Norway 🙂 cool reference!
I love this idea! Hopefully they put the quest line in the DLC!
I don't know anything about the lore, but what I do know is that's one sexy sword.
aww that metroid music takes me back
To me it seems that this swords ( or one sword in different phases ) was connected to games main quest and the ending. Maybe you had to have this sword to rightfully proclaim yourself the Elden Lord, and maybe Muriel was a part of the main questline ( logical because he seems a knowledgeable and important character to be just on the wayside in a random church ).
Personally i think this three swords are one sword but in different phases of the game's ending. First one ( probably it gets unsheathed later ) is for Elden Lord ending(s) ( all 4 of them ), other bluish one is for Ranni's ending, and in the Flame of Frenzy ending your Elden Lord's sword becomes like this. Maybe it was even the idea that you would get that sword as a usable weapon after finishing the game ( like you get sword made from Radagon now ) depending on your ending.
But that's just a theory...
Perhaps the Ranni ending substitutes the Darkmoon greatsword as a stand in?
Almost a metaphor for what Ranni wishes to achieve.
Also, needing a weapon to kill a god? Ties in nicely with Hewgs dialogue. Reckon your theory is pretty spot on.
@@kiltysalter2966 I completely forgot about Hewgs dialogue...it makes even more sense now. I was weirded out by his dialogue on my first playthrough because i expected ill get some sort of special weapon for the final boss but it turned out he was just ranting about how good he is at smiting.
The quest theory sounds so accurate when you line up how they (the swords) transform in appearance as the quest goes on with the more liquid looking version being the one you use. Next theory, what would is art be?
Moonlight and Darkslayer. Bet there be a quest from dlc to use a meditation emote below Gurranq to fight a dragon in the clouds. and perhaps even another quest underground for the dark version. The part that is inbetween the handle and blade look like the old one from demon souls, and I can't help but notice theres a giant soul eating tree. What if someone used the souls from the trees(Erd and Halig) to revive Godwyn? I feel like between Miquella creating their own tree and (potentially)Marika's statue pouring water out of a vase symbolize using souls like water to grow a tree. That shadow of the erdtree image could be the literal shadow of the Erdtree, like a mirror dimension where its dark tree has a shadow of light. Wierd bit of random finding, but the minor erdtrees church has three trees that look exactly like a taproot growing straight up, with branches of another tree grafted on to them. I think the side 2 are stunted for some reason, showing a 1/3 success rate. Perhaps the grafted branches don't always benefit the host, a lot like coral from AC6.
Maybe 3 dlcs in one like ds2 sotfs,one sword per dlc🤔
Something we don't know is what was Radagon's original weapon as a champion. But the darkened swirled design seems like nothing we've seen of the Golden Order before. The intricacies of its shape would suggest that it's not of the Frenzied Flame. It's possible still to be a weathered state of a once glorious sword. It's possible a Miquella quest would restore it more to a quality. I wouldn't put it past being for the DLC, nor to the way to it. I like to imagine it being found in the Lake of Rot or on the way to it.
Just going my motif, I can almost imagine the weapon being the sword of Godwyn. One a version corrupted by Death, while the other is an uncorrupted version. The related quest could have even had a step that would switch the blade from one state to the other, depending on which was the default. Turtle Pope seems to imply that you found it "underground", which to me tells me two places: the Nokron/Ainsel/etc. area OR the underground area where you fight Fortisax. The second sounds more likely.
What I think is it’s icons from a cut boss weapon from Morgott’s remembrance, since the second form looks so much like Morgott’s sword
The writing on the monuments is kinda old-timey speak, like how Morgott speaks, perhaps because of his yearning for the past
I could see this being an early version of his weapon, where he’d unsheath it in the royal form for phase 1, perhaps cloaked in illusion to hide his omen self, and resheath it and pull out the second form for phase 2, shattering his illusion, revealing his true self
Wild speculation, but it’d be a neat idea for sure!
That’s got to be what Dog-pope Muriel was referring to!
Whatever's the case, the unsheathed models clearly have a root formation-type design above the hilt, which may tie them to both of the trees. Then again, with what little info we have, there's a good chance they'll be used for the DLC, what with the deathroot swarming the Haligtree (yes, its the Miquella one, its outline is obvious).
Perhaps the bent sword is one forged in the flame of frenzy rather than corrupted and scorched, thus it does not have a rusted or burnt texture rather a darker hue
Oh this is cool! Imagine a straight sword with madness buildup. It would be terror in PvP
I think that’s why it was cut
Ok this is gonna be confusing BUT, I believe those 3 swords are representative of Godwin, the white royal marble version is before the night of the black blade and the second version could be the distorted version mostly because the warped sword reminds me of the sky where we fight the nightmare dragon
and even references mieurielles quote, it's obvious that the sword hasnt been used since his death and was left to gather dust in the hero's grave.
It sounds like you find the sword where you start the game, unseal it at the church, then be it that you kill the elder tree or fingers/hags and/or accept the flame madness while it'sequipped.
my man, those are clearly great swords/colossal
probably cut content that will make it into the expansion. The corrupted sword does look like frenzy which is nice, game needs more frenzy weapons
I feel like miriel would be the beginning of the quest. After the seal is broken and the sword unsheathed the next step is to take it to master hewg. He states the sword is not that great and isn't in any condition to be used but can be if forged with accient metals. The reason is because the sword absorb bits of grace at it lay dormant. Now the next step would be to find the accient metals. Maybe somewhere in the haligtree there is a hidden chest or boss that has the material. And then for the other metal it can be found at the top of the frenzied flame tower in a chest after defeating the enemies. But in order to use it it must be blessed mpby the three fingers. After you have both or one you can take it to iji and he can make a special ingot that you then take to hewg. Depending on what you choose you can get the haligtree's salvation or the unbound frenzy.
5:08 Its clearly an Mega Ultra Greatsword. 3-times the size of the Greatsword but half the weight. :)
Beserk reference yes but I think more so a memorial to kentaro miura the author of beserk who passed away during elden ring development
My theory would be that the questline related to the sword(s) being mentioned in the video is thus...
It seems like its meant to be a questline with two different options or paths you could go down.
One you take the monument sword to Turtle Pope and he unsheathes it and you get rewarded with the smooth, white and gold blade.
The other being you take the monument sword to the three fingers or somewhere in deeproot depths or somewhere else, and thus you get the corrupted, twisted version of the blade.
I dont think its three seperate weapons, i think its just one weapon that has two possible outcomes and the unsheathed sword you get depends on the choice you would have to make by the end of the questline
muriel saying theres a seal on the sword reminds me of the sword from Tales from earthsea by studio ghilbi. could be a reference to that
we gonna get the 3 swords in the dlc first is gonna be start of the quest, the other two you will get depending on which tree you help from that dlc art, this is all my guess but it looks like it could work
The warped sword reminds me of flowing water, which makes me think of Malenia
The third one kinda reminds me of both the separated sword and the prince of death’s staff
sounds like it's a spin on the northern regalia from demon's souls, but instead of two swords becoming one it's a sword that can become one of two states.
Imagine if the sword when unsheathed does holy, and when warped does madness.
to me it feels like the Haligtree connection is RIGHT it FEELS right, I think maybe this sword would've been the literal blade of Miquella, a sword he actually used, it has an ornamental design that suggests more of an ornamental sword meant to show his nobility/godhood as Miquella seems to be shown as being someone who did not fight but rather his sister would instead fight for him
perhaps you'd actually find the sword in the Haligtree or "resting against" a sword statue in the Consecrated Snowfield tho that feels unlikely, the warping is interesting as it would suggest being able to corrupt it via the Frenzy Flame (which in a sense could also connect it to Miquella even more due to Miquella's Needle being needed to remove the Frenzied Flame) or perhaps instead it would be found in the area before the Three Fingers and could be taken to the Haligtree where you would "cure" it restoring it to the marbled white blade
another answer might be actually more interesting as it could instead suggest that Fromsoft may have actually considered playing around with World Tendency again but scrapped it, so hear me out perhaps the sword would've changed form based on your World/Player Tendency, where it would appear maybe as a stone sword at neutral, the marbled blade at white and the malformed blade at black or maybe even have worked like Soulbrandt and Demonbrandt where you could either find each version in different locations like ones at the Haligtree and has high Holy low Phys dmg and the other is at the Three Fingers and would instead be high Fire low Phys dmg
though maybe instead of anything like that instead consider the "sheathed sword" being a 'weapon' it could also suggest a similar two halves make a whole type thing but instead by taking the sheathed sword to a certain location such as for eg the Haligtree you would be able to "transpose" it into the Marble Sword and it would gain holy damage or you take it to the Frenzy Flame and aslong as you are afflicted with the flame you can strip and interact with the fingers again and instead have the sword become the Warped Sword which would gain fire damage and ofc the AoW would change too 'Marble Sword' would gain a holy projectile type of move maybe like Miquella's Ring of Light or more uniquely it would have Radagon's Rings of Light as it's Ash of War while the 'Warped Sword' would likely gain something similar to Vyke's spear but perhaps also paralleling the Marble version by instead having a Frenzy Flame madness inducing version of Black Flame Ritual just with a bigger radius
just my thoughts on it, I hope these will return in the DLC as I hope a lot of cut content will but we will have to wait and see
I would love a sword and sheath type weapon where the sheath is used for strikeing as well like valorheart from DS3
I personally think it could have been made by Iji there's one point where Blythe it says that his swords we're dull as stone but they were the only ones that could withstand the scarlet rott so maybe the people who wielded them knew how powerful they were and that they could survive the Scarlett rott but did not possess the capability to unsheathe them. So they wielded them with the sheath on and thus literally making them Dull as Stone.