It’s worth noting that the original Thousand-Year Door’s main composer, Yoshito Sekigawa, once again served as the main composer for this game. He was also the main composer for Paper Mario: The Origami King, which is why many are make comparisons to that game’s soundtrack.
I think the trouble with a lot of the music comparisons is that it’s contextualising the new music into the original. For example the last song you react to (spoiler ahead) I would argue that playing it in the remake actually had me more emotional than the original because for one there’s much more people in each area, so it feels larger-scale and also it is about everyone cheering Mario on to go and fight off the end of the world. So I feel it’s very appropriate. But of course, that’s my opinion, and you are of course allowed to feel how you feel about it! I just want to help in enjoying the new one more too haha
Also, I want a huge fan of the crystal star them being rock completely, after listening to a few times, I don’t hate it either. It definitely could’ve been a whole lot worse. 😂
Possibly an unpopular opinion, I think the metal vibe mixed with vocals fits perfectly in the were counting on you part. The original is emotional and is really good, but the remake's is emotional AND pumps you up for the final boss
Personally I love it. The originals are great, but I feel like 80% of the time I'd rather listen to the new ones. Plus they all feel longer before looping
I was originally worried about the new tracks but after playing and hearing them in their entirety. I have to say I almost like every new track over the originals. They certainly went heavier on the flutes and violins which gives it a hint of xenoblade or final fantasy flair but being an rpg I feel like it compliments it perfectly while still having that bouncy wackiness you expect from being a Mario rpg. Also they build up and have multiple sections to the tracks before looping which makes them feel more complete. The originals tracks were very short
12:49 This theme you’re referring to is actually the game’s main leitmotif. It’s first heard in the opening prologue music with the storybook. It's then heard when the game's title card shows up (the shot of the boat Mario travels in crossing the sea to get to Rogueport). This leitmotif wasn’t used a whole lot in the original outside of these three key sequences, but the remake quotes it a lot more and does more things with it.
I generally do prefer the new soundtrack but I do find it a little odd that they didn't stick to the style of the originals like the Mario & Luigi remakes tried to do. Perhaps they simply didn't want to compete with the originals and that's why they took it in a different direction? Also, since you generally seemed to enjoy the "big in the original, gets bigger in the remake" songs, would love to hear your thoughts on more battle songs. Especially the new ones!
That’s because Yoko Shimomura worked alone on the Mario & Luigi series, including the remakes. Though I do think she did deviate a bit from the originals with Superstar Saga. The Popple and Cackletta/Fawful battle themes deviated from the originals in their instrumentation. Also, the minigame music in Superstar Saga DX contains completely different themes entirely (taken from Dream Team and Paper Jam).
@@MusicJunkie37 Most of them, even though the original is very nostalgic to me, the soundtrack was never as good as the best Mario soundtracks like Mario Galaxy (I say never, and I know ttyd released before galaxy, but you know what I mean). One of the reasons is that ttyd has a lot of electronic music and galaxy has orchestral music, but now ttyd had orchestral music as well. I especially love the solos on the Grubba theme and the Pennington theme.
The TTYD remastered soundtrack is honestly the greatest modernized ost of all time imo, making peak even more peak is insane. Bonetail, chapter 5 battle theme and moon battle omg just too good...
I kinda see your point, but after Listening to it a bit more and really thinking about it, I like the heavy metal undertones of that end theme. The main melody is still composed of violins and the heavier stuff really highlights the fact that this is one of the darkest most powerful final bosses in all of Mario history.
Also I agree the new version of boggly woods is a bit of downgrade when comparing it to the original. They went with a really oriental vibe and its fine but it misses the point the original was conveying. Boggly woulds is serene, mysterious, other wordy sounding while also calming. The new one sounds like I stepped into a New China buffet.
The rosa tinted glasses are huge in your opinion (which makes sense when it's someones childhood) but to each their own. I think the new soundtrack is in almost every track better than the original. And it's the same composer so I am sure the intention on the new one is the same since it's by the same person. But I am also biased since I love real sounding instruments and I also like "over produced" song.
I'm not really into traditional Japanese-sounding music either, but I think it's fair to introduce that vibe to the Glitz Pit remixes. If anything it's a shortcoming of the original that none of the music had that vibe despite the giant pagoda towering in the middle of the place. That said, still prefer the original Glitz Pit theme just 'cause the melody is totally drowned out in the remix. Bad execution.
Same.. and I played the original on GameCube. I never found much of the original music all that remarkable. Sounded TOO electronic for my taste. Though, I’ll give it one thing… its electronic style has aged incredible well. Not relying on real-sounding instruments means the samples don’t sound super dated.
The new version of rogueport sewers is fantastic the extra layer of tanginess you were talking about gives an ancient vibe to it. Which works considering you’re in an ancient city underground. Sub level 3 is my favorite and dare I say expands on the original because the games main motif is present which is reminding you,“yes, you are here but this is part of the bigger adventure” It’s wonderful. Sekigawa is a mad lad.
I love these! Got to play through TYYD for the first time and I love it. I would love to see more of these, I would kill for you to react to Mother 3’s soundtrack. Even if you never played the game, I’d love a reaction
The new ost is a lot more dynamic and diverse in terms of genre. I love all of the songs but I feel like some of the overworld themes are too intense, mainly rogueport and palace of shadow part 1.
I’m so torn. The new soundtrack works much better as a grand return to Rogueport in Paper Mario Thousand Year Door 2. Like rogueport is a bombastic return to a familiar local. And the twilight town track sounds like a spooky dusk time festival. If you listen to these tracks as a sequel to TYD, it works way better!
Glitzville is very interesting. I do think the original is better, but over time I've come to prefer the remake's. The original is like a goofy wacky carnival, while the remake is a lively Asian Festival. It makes me think a big event is going on, and the Asian elements of the location start to become more apparent. I think they could've kept some of the goofy-ness in there, but I am a big fan of the festival idea. I think a lot of the remake's songs aren't necessarily better or worse than the original, but rather a new take that I can enjoy. I could put both soundtracks into a playlist and shuffle them, and I would enjoy every single song. There are things to love about the remake songs, and there are things to enjoy about the originals... The remake _has_ made it hard in the sense that the originals don't contain the new bridges they've added to each of the songs. It feels a bit empty or short without them.
I respect your decision to not like the new tracks, but the new soundtrack gives them much more depth and new character. I agree some are hit or miss, and there's nothing wrong with liking the original, but completely shitting on them, like on the ending theme there, is a bit much.
He *does* like the newer soundtrack overall, though. I think it's just certain specific ones that he has very emotional ties to that he took issue with (which is understandable). But even the ones where he says "the original is better," he'll preface it by saying "I still like the new version" or "I don't hate the new version."
@@PianistTanooki I can see where you come from; it's just the feeling I got overall from this video when he compared the tracks. Still, no hate his way. It's his opinion. It was a little frustrating to play this game after so many years, loving the new soundtrack and hearing someone saying how they massacred some songs.
@@yanggino8848 I largely disagree with his takes here, too, but I can't say I'm mad at his opinion. I have very strong opinions when it comes to the original Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga music because that was such a defining game in my childhood. Most of Superstar Saga DX's music is pretty solid, but some weren't exactly to my liking… but that's totally okay. They have their own redeeming qualities. Like Josh said here, I'm still happier to hear new takes on the old music than to just hear the same old tunes with no changes at all.
I would love you to do another one of these with more songs. This is one of my favorite soundtracks ever and I love comparing the two versions! And I haven't played the new version yet so hearing the new tracks for the first time is a blast
I respect your opinion and I 100% agree with GlitzVille and the Crystal Stars music, they kinda butchered it with the electric guitar. but I have to disagree with Petalburg, the Great Tree, and Twilight Town in this video you cut the new songs right when the new section happen it's like you are allergic to change :')
I'm have to come back to this later and give it the time and attention it deserves. I'll make a coffee and make sure I got an hour of time set aside for this (I was 6min in but I said nah I gotta give this video my full attention).
Damn. I would love to discuss this soundtrack. I like your opinions of the changes and i agree with a lot of what you had to say. Overall i feel like the original soundtrack had a really unique sound design. And the new soundtrack i feel is very big and satisfying, as well as some stuff i feel they present better, but that new orchestral sound is less stylistic and more true to its music theory. It feels fresh without trying to outdo the original track and it feels pretty good actually. Immediately finding the old tunes badge is actually super fun because i sit there and compare the songs Also idk if you noticed! But the battle themes change in the different areas, whereas before they were always the same battle theme for small encounters. The second i heard that i knew it was different and it kinda blew my mind. Amazing game, amazing soundtrack, satisfying remake. Chefs kiss
Second comment here, you happened to unfortunately pick a lot of tracks that were good in the original and didn't shine very much or at all in the remake. I have some better ones to reccommend: "A Brief Lecture" Some versions of "The Thousand-Year Door", notably the first version (simple one), the Diamond Star version (added piano) and the Garnet Star version (built up version). "Battle Theme". Not the classic one we know and love but amazing variations of it for specific instances. Some that stand out are: Unsettling Area, Chapter 2 and Chapter 6. "Super Luigi" "We're the Three Shadows!" "Pianta Parlor" "Pianta Parlor Minigame" Finally, there are some completely new tracks that in my opinion you shouldn't sleep on: "A Suspicious Black Chest" "Master of Action Commands" (ancient chinese music vibe similar to Glitzville beware! It's done much better here though and has more of an Autumn Mountain from Origami King vibe.) "Attack-a of the Whacka" and maybe each of the new themes for each partner! You don't have to make a second video of course, these are just recommendations/personal highlights in the OST.
My personal opinion can be summed up as the new tracks are sadly 'overproduced', adding too much and/or orchestrating things that sounded better in their midi form. Some benefit from being more layered ect, and the addition of variants and MORE songs is good. But yeah, I keep the nostalgia badge off only to experience the new ost for the first time. On replay I'd probably keep it on.
I like how these people try and detemrine how these songs, SHOULD sound when they arent nintendo or even the original composer who came back for this game. Like they know any better, a little pretentious I'd say.
So many of the new tracks sounding a bit asian might be slightly related to the fact that this is an asian game and the soundtrack is made by asian artists. So if they pick more traditional instruments it just sounds asian to us.
Now if you listen through the ending of the remade rogueport theme, they added a whole new part to it which it sounds really nice, and a bunch of other tracks have a bunch of new endings too which they sound really nice too
To be fair I think the reason they went with guitars for that final theme is because in origami king they also went with guitars and for it's climatic moments, and it's very clear this remake's soundtrack took clear inspiration from the direction origami king's soundtrack went towards and it's shocking you didn't cover the new battle themes considering you went on about the bombasticness of everything
Origami King was primarily composed by Yoshito Sekigawa, who also primarily composed the original Thousand-Year Door music on GameCube, but was originally credited as "Yoshito Hirano" back then, before he got married (Japanese men sometimes change their surnames when they get married). He once again served as lead composer for the TTYD remake… so I don't think this is the sound team being "inspired" by the direction of Origami King… it's the fact that the original composer is retroactively applying a style that he honed in on with Origami King and reimagining his own stuff with said style.
I still love the original Glitzville music the most, but I do still personally REALLY like what they did with the remake version. To me, it kind of represents what Glitzville is all about: It's a mix of a traditional, kung fu-esque 'train your way to the top' vibe, and a flashy, Hollywood entertainment vibe. Like, it strikes me as the EXACT type of music that would play at like Universal Studios or Disneyland if they had a kung fu themed area. I know it sounds like a lot of 'noise', but that's the bustling, busy Hollywood vibe
I love it, but I still prefer the original due to the nostalgia. At least with these new tracks, it's the closest we get to a experience something fresh out of something familiar.
Interesting that the new OST is a mixed bag. I guess I may be switching between the two. Or maybe just on a second playthrough. I havent decided. Anyway, nice video! I appreciated the spoiler warning 👍🏻
I personally think most of the new soundtrack is better,mostly because the old versions were never that memorable for me. This is partly due to me caring less about music as a child and partly because I just like the music more. Especially that last one. I disagree with you so damn hard on that one.
I think it better captures the intended vibe of Glitzpit. A very foreign, very exotic place made up of the shared interest between a mix of unrelated cultures.
I don't like most of the remixed tracks. Some are great, like the new music in Riverside Station, Poshley Sanctum's secret room, or the new Pit of 100 Trials music, but most of them just feel overly complicated, loud, and busy sounding for basically no reason. At least the Nostalgic Tunes badge is there. I kept it on most of the time.
To me personally, most songs are an improvement but the boss songs. The only boss song i felt was an improvement was Magnus von grapple 2.0 and the mini boss battle, every other was i was disappointed with. Ch8 boss got me good with the double pain badge but i was happy since i could turn the nostalgia badge on to finish the game on a high note.
Gotta admit I'm disappointed at your views on the songs, especially the glitzville one, your bias for the old shows more than anything, but I guess this is a reaction and not an unbiased review of the new music
Am I the only one who loves the standard battle music remix but hates the new region-specific arrangements? I really wish the standard battle theme was kept throughout the entire game, it hyped me up like nothing else, and I’d take that over thematic fit personally.
Really? I think the standard battle theme is on the lower end to be honest Like, chapter 6 battle theme and moon battle theme might be my favourite tracks in this game, period
There's an irony that a lot of the new tracks lose their charm by adding too many layers / instruments and bloating the song to make it 'grander', yet the one time that would actually work really well (the "We're Counting on You, Mario!" song), they phone it in with the heavy metal vibe
Great content, I wouldn't have minded an even deeper dive where you spend hours comparing every track in the game. Personally, I think the standard battle theme remixes are reason enough for me not to use the Nostalgic Tunes badge much in future playthroughs; the original battle theme is great, but it can get grating having that same exact battle theme constantly playing by the time you're a few chapters in. Plus some of the remixes are on the same level of greatness as the original rendition(Hooktail Castle and Riverside Station especially). I'll just reserve Nostalgic Tunes for the final boss sequence, since they absolutely butchered the music there.
I find a lot of them mid. Like some stuff is really nice but some tracks are just flat downgrades to me and it’s a shame. The biggest issue is that the nostalgic tunes badge removes unique battle themes for each chapter, which are undoubtedly the best musical change they made. It’s a good new soundtrack but you just can’t beat those iconic originals.
Yes I agree. I think you can never really replace the original soundtrack of a game. It’s the original after all. I see it as an alternative for people who want to shake it up a little lol. But yeah it is difficult to choose between the original and the newly added situational tracks. I just be hopping between them 🥴
@@_kevosan nothing can replace the original for you because of rose tinted glasses. The only people complaining that the original music is better are people that have played the original many years ago.
@@miyamotomusashi6450 Very shortsighted to think every single person preferring the original is solely because of rose tinted glasses. There are examples of people that never grew up with the original that prefer the electronic approach more than the rock/orchestral approach in the remake.
I personally feel that the classic has a great overall tone that the remake doesn’t impact as hard with their full orchestration, HOWEVER, every new event and variations that use the original’s motifs absolutely nail it and go above the original. Every character theme added is an absolute banger, the new interludes to the soundscape keep the pacing way more consistent. So, all in all, you get a lot of value in the remake for giving the options.
I prefer the original soundtrack, a million times, more than the remake soundtrack. They used many musical instruments, this time, and that's why I feel the remake's soundtrack is cluttered, like: Why use a Bass in boss battle themes like the Doopliss, Cortez and Smorg ones? Imagine my dissapointment when I realized that they changed the Staff Credits theme. The original soundtrack one was more melancholic. I bought the Nostalgic Tunes badge right away, but I didn't used it once, because I wanted to give a chance to the remake soundtrack. I wanted to like it, but I couldn't. The Rogueport theme is the only one that I liked in this remake. Even though I finished this remake already, I rather play the original game, period. I was hoping that The Thousand-Year Door remake, make a path to get remakes of the first Paper Mario and Super Paper Mario, but I after this whole experience, I think is for the best, that those games stay the way they already are.
I start to think we don't need a new good paper mario with soul and so many osts remixed, and because the 30Fps for other people, so I think they need to do bads paper mario just to teach everyone a lesson so just shut up please
It’s worth noting that the original Thousand-Year Door’s main composer, Yoshito Sekigawa, once again served as the main composer for this game.
He was also the main composer for Paper Mario: The Origami King, which is why many are make comparisons to that game’s soundtrack.
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I mean Glitzville was originally called Oolong Town so the Asian feeling was 100% intentional and the original just didn't represent it
I'm italian, in the Italian version of the game the city it's called Oolong
I think the trouble with a lot of the music comparisons is that it’s contextualising the new music into the original.
For example the last song you react to (spoiler ahead) I would argue that playing it in the remake actually had me more emotional than the original because for one there’s much more people in each area, so it feels larger-scale and also it is about everyone cheering Mario on to go and fight off the end of the world. So I feel it’s very appropriate.
But of course, that’s my opinion, and you are of course allowed to feel how you feel about it! I just want to help in enjoying the new one more too haha
Remake soundtrack is wonderful, most people just want to be Contradictorians
I ALSO like the remake soundtrack, I just agree that it lacks some of the quirks and subtleties of the original at points.
Also, I want a huge fan of the crystal star them being rock completely, after listening to a few times, I don’t hate it either. It definitely could’ve been a whole lot worse. 😂
Please do more of these, Joshy!
I want to hear your takes on the battle themes for each chapter. I just finished chapter 6 and I was completely blown away by the arrangement.
Chapter 4 is my favorite because it's spooky to the max!
Chapter 5 & 7 had the best ones to me
Chapter 4 was definitely my favorite battle theme, chapter 7, both themes were a close second 👏👏👏
Possibly an unpopular opinion, I think the metal vibe mixed with vocals fits perfectly in the were counting on you part.
The original is emotional and is really good, but the remake's is emotional AND pumps you up for the final boss
Personally I love it. The originals are great, but I feel like 80% of the time I'd rather listen to the new ones. Plus they all feel longer before looping
I was originally worried about the new tracks but after playing and hearing them in their entirety. I have to say I almost like every new track over the originals. They certainly went heavier on the flutes and violins which gives it a hint of xenoblade or final fantasy flair but being an rpg I feel like it compliments it perfectly while still having that bouncy wackiness you expect from being a Mario rpg. Also they build up and have multiple sections to the tracks before looping which makes them feel more complete. The originals tracks were very short
12:49 This theme you’re referring to is actually the game’s main leitmotif. It’s first heard in the opening prologue music with the storybook. It's then heard when the game's title card shows up (the shot of the boat Mario travels in crossing the sea to get to Rogueport). This leitmotif wasn’t used a whole lot in the original outside of these three key sequences, but the remake quotes it a lot more and does more things with it.
I generally do prefer the new soundtrack but I do find it a little odd that they didn't stick to the style of the originals like the Mario & Luigi remakes tried to do. Perhaps they simply didn't want to compete with the originals and that's why they took it in a different direction? Also, since you generally seemed to enjoy the "big in the original, gets bigger in the remake" songs, would love to hear your thoughts on more battle songs. Especially the new ones!
That’s because Yoko Shimomura worked alone on the Mario & Luigi series, including the remakes.
Though I do think she did deviate a bit from the originals with Superstar Saga. The Popple and Cackletta/Fawful battle themes deviated from the originals in their instrumentation. Also, the minigame music in Superstar Saga DX contains completely different themes entirely (taken from Dream Team and Paper Jam).
I've played the original many times in the last 20 years but the new music is way better.
All the tracks across the board?
@@MusicJunkie37 Most of them, even though the original is very nostalgic to me, the soundtrack was never as good as the best Mario soundtracks like Mario Galaxy (I say never, and I know ttyd released before galaxy, but you know what I mean). One of the reasons is that ttyd has a lot of electronic music and galaxy has orchestral music, but now ttyd had orchestral music as well. I especially love the solos on the Grubba theme and the Pennington theme.
The TTYD remastered soundtrack is honestly the greatest modernized ost of all time imo, making peak even more peak is insane.
Bonetail, chapter 5 battle theme and moon battle omg just too good...
Am I the only one who likes the new Glitzville so much more. They made it much less repetitive.
I kinda see your point, but after Listening to it a bit more and really thinking about it, I like the heavy metal undertones of that end theme. The main melody is still composed of violins and the heavier stuff really highlights the fact that this is one of the darkest most powerful final bosses in all of Mario history.
12:00 - 12:30 The additional vocals and instrumentals makes sense as level 3 is as same level as the Thousand Year Door.
Missed opportunity for Nintendo to make a Paper Mario amiibo.
Also I agree the new version of boggly woods is a bit of downgrade when comparing it to the original. They went with a really oriental vibe and its fine but it misses the point the original was conveying.
Boggly woulds is serene, mysterious, other wordy sounding while also calming. The new one sounds like I stepped into a New China buffet.
The rosa tinted glasses are huge in your opinion (which makes sense when it's someones childhood) but to each their own. I think the new soundtrack is in almost every track better than the original. And it's the same composer so I am sure the intention on the new one is the same since it's by the same person. But I am also biased since I love real sounding instruments and I also like "over produced" song.
I'm not really into traditional Japanese-sounding music either, but I think it's fair to introduce that vibe to the Glitz Pit remixes. If anything it's a shortcoming of the original that none of the music had that vibe despite the giant pagoda towering in the middle of the place.
That said, still prefer the original Glitz Pit theme just 'cause the melody is totally drowned out in the remix. Bad execution.
Don’t know why bro took the time to react to a weak soundtrack
Sorry, but I feel like I live in a different reality compared to other OG TTYD fans on this one
Same.. and I played the original on GameCube. I never found much of the original music all that remarkable. Sounded TOO electronic for my taste.
Though, I’ll give it one thing… its electronic style has aged incredible well. Not relying on real-sounding instruments means the samples don’t sound super dated.
The new version of rogueport sewers is fantastic the extra layer of tanginess you were talking about gives an ancient vibe to it.
Which works considering you’re in an ancient city underground. Sub level 3 is my favorite and dare I say expands on the original because the games main motif is present which is reminding you,“yes, you are here but this is part of the bigger adventure”
It’s wonderful. Sekigawa is a mad lad.
I love these! Got to play through TYYD for the first time and I love it. I would love to see more of these, I would kill for you to react to Mother 3’s soundtrack. Even if you never played the game, I’d love a reaction
The new ost is a lot more dynamic and diverse in terms of genre. I love all of the songs but I feel like some of the overworld themes are too intense, mainly rogueport and palace of shadow part 1.
I’m so torn. The new soundtrack works much better as a grand return to Rogueport in Paper Mario Thousand Year Door 2.
Like rogueport is a bombastic return to a familiar local.
And the twilight town track sounds like a spooky dusk time festival.
If you listen to these tracks as a sequel to TYD, it works way better!
A sequel to TTYD would be a new locale, not a reusing of these old locations.
Glitzville is very interesting. I do think the original is better, but over time I've come to prefer the remake's.
The original is like a goofy wacky carnival, while the remake is a lively Asian Festival. It makes me think a big event is going on, and the Asian elements of the location start to become more apparent.
I think they could've kept some of the goofy-ness in there, but I am a big fan of the festival idea.
I think a lot of the remake's songs aren't necessarily better or worse than the original, but rather a new take that I can enjoy. I could put both soundtracks into a playlist and shuffle them, and I would enjoy every single song. There are things to love about the remake songs, and there are things to enjoy about the originals... The remake _has_ made it hard in the sense that the originals don't contain the new bridges they've added to each of the songs. It feels a bit empty or short without them.
I respect your decision to not like the new tracks, but the new soundtrack gives them much more depth and new character. I agree some are hit or miss, and there's nothing wrong with liking the original, but completely shitting on them, like on the ending theme there, is a bit much.
He *does* like the newer soundtrack overall, though. I think it's just certain specific ones that he has very emotional ties to that he took issue with (which is understandable). But even the ones where he says "the original is better," he'll preface it by saying "I still like the new version" or "I don't hate the new version."
@@PianistTanooki I can see where you come from; it's just the feeling I got overall from this video when he compared the tracks. Still, no hate his way. It's his opinion. It was a little frustrating to play this game after so many years, loving the new soundtrack and hearing someone saying how they massacred some songs.
@@yanggino8848 I largely disagree with his takes here, too, but I can't say I'm mad at his opinion. I have very strong opinions when it comes to the original Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga music because that was such a defining game in my childhood. Most of Superstar Saga DX's music is pretty solid, but some weren't exactly to my liking… but that's totally okay. They have their own redeeming qualities.
Like Josh said here, I'm still happier to hear new takes on the old music than to just hear the same old tunes with no changes at all.
I would love you to do another one of these with more songs. This is one of my favorite soundtracks ever and I love comparing the two versions! And I haven't played the new version yet so hearing the new tracks for the first time is a blast
Sort of annoying that 80% of the video you picked songs to listen to that you didn't like.
I respect your opinion and I 100% agree with GlitzVille and the Crystal Stars music, they kinda butchered it with the electric guitar. but I have to disagree with Petalburg, the Great Tree, and Twilight Town in this video you cut the new songs right when the new section happen it's like you are allergic to change :')
I'm have to come back to this later and give it the time and attention it deserves. I'll make a coffee and make sure I got an hour of time set aside for this (I was 6min in but I said nah I gotta give this video my full attention).
Damn. I would love to discuss this soundtrack. I like your opinions of the changes and i agree with a lot of what you had to say.
Overall i feel like the original soundtrack had a really unique sound design. And the new soundtrack i feel is very big and satisfying, as well as some stuff i feel they present better, but that new orchestral sound is less stylistic and more true to its music theory.
It feels fresh without trying to outdo the original track and it feels pretty good actually. Immediately finding the old tunes badge is actually super fun because i sit there and compare the songs
Also idk if you noticed! But the battle themes change in the different areas, whereas before they were always the same battle theme for small encounters. The second i heard that i knew it was different and it kinda blew my mind.
Amazing game, amazing soundtrack, satisfying remake. Chefs kiss
Second comment here, you happened to unfortunately pick a lot of tracks that were good in the original and didn't shine very much or at all in the remake. I have some better ones to reccommend:
"A Brief Lecture"
Some versions of "The Thousand-Year Door", notably the first version (simple one), the Diamond Star version (added piano) and the Garnet Star version (built up version).
"Battle Theme". Not the classic one we know and love but amazing variations of it for specific instances. Some that stand out are: Unsettling Area, Chapter 2 and Chapter 6.
"Super Luigi"
"We're the Three Shadows!"
"Pianta Parlor"
"Pianta Parlor Minigame"
Finally, there are some completely new tracks that in my opinion you shouldn't sleep on:
"A Suspicious Black Chest"
"Master of Action Commands" (ancient chinese music vibe similar to Glitzville beware! It's done much better here though and has more of an Autumn Mountain from Origami King vibe.)
"Attack-a of the Whacka"
and maybe each of the new themes for each partner! You don't have to make a second video of course, these are just recommendations/personal highlights in the OST.
My personal opinion can be summed up as the new tracks are sadly 'overproduced', adding too much and/or orchestrating things that sounded better in their midi form. Some benefit from being more layered ect, and the addition of variants and MORE songs is good. But yeah, I keep the nostalgia badge off only to experience the new ost for the first time. On replay I'd probably keep it on.
Not even letting the some of remake soundtracks finish just hurts lol
Especially for the boggly woods tree 😵 I enjoy the extra part they added to it
I like how these people try and detemrine how these songs, SHOULD sound when they arent nintendo or even the original composer who came back for this game.
Like they know any better, a little pretentious I'd say.
So many of the new tracks sounding a bit asian might be slightly related to the fact that this is an asian game and the soundtrack is made by asian artists. So if they pick more traditional instruments it just sounds asian to us.
Origami King also had some Japanese infused music, love it when Nintendo puts some culture in their games
Now if you listen through the ending of the remade rogueport theme, they added a whole new part to it which it sounds really nice, and a bunch of other tracks have a bunch of new endings too which they sound really nice too
Can you react to the rest of the ost?! :D
What most people are leaving out is that the Rogueport theme in the back alleys is slightly different than the main track.
To be fair I think the reason they went with guitars for that final theme is because in origami king they also went with guitars and for it's climatic moments, and it's very clear this remake's soundtrack took clear inspiration from the direction origami king's soundtrack went towards
and it's shocking you didn't cover the new battle themes considering you went on about the bombasticness of everything
Origami King was primarily composed by Yoshito Sekigawa, who also primarily composed the original Thousand-Year Door music on GameCube, but was originally credited as "Yoshito Hirano" back then, before he got married (Japanese men sometimes change their surnames when they get married). He once again served as lead composer for the TTYD remake… so I don't think this is the sound team being "inspired" by the direction of Origami King… it's the fact that the original composer is retroactively applying a style that he honed in on with Origami King and reimagining his own stuff with said style.
You can get a badge and it would let you listen to the original soundtrack
I still love the original Glitzville music the most, but I do still personally REALLY like what they did with the remake version. To me, it kind of represents what Glitzville is all about: It's a mix of a traditional, kung fu-esque 'train your way to the top' vibe, and a flashy, Hollywood entertainment vibe. Like, it strikes me as the EXACT type of music that would play at like Universal Studios or Disneyland if they had a kung fu themed area. I know it sounds like a lot of 'noise', but that's the bustling, busy Hollywood vibe
I love it, but I still prefer the original due to the nostalgia. At least with these new tracks, it's the closest we get to a experience something fresh out of something familiar.
you said some very abnormal things in this video but I'll respect your opinion and move on without commenting mine
Interesting that the new OST is a mixed bag. I guess I may be switching between the two. Or maybe just on a second playthrough. I havent decided. Anyway, nice video! I appreciated the spoiler warning 👍🏻
I personally think most of the new soundtrack is better,mostly because the old versions were never that memorable for me. This is partly due to me caring less about music as a child and partly because I just like the music more.
Especially that last one. I disagree with you so damn hard on that one.
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I think the only track that personally I felt was worse was the main glitzville theme but for the most part I loved the soundtrack
I think it better captures the intended vibe of Glitzpit. A very foreign, very exotic place made up of the shared interest between a mix of unrelated cultures.
@@JsYTA it's not a bad track but I just like the more lively feel of the original
Same here
I don't care that much for the og's soundtrack, but the remake's might beat TOK's for me. Not sure though
You made me appreciate the original Bogley Woods track so much, thank you.
Thanks - great video, and very interesting to see where our musical tastes differ!
I don't like most of the remixed tracks. Some are great, like the new music in Riverside Station, Poshley Sanctum's secret room, or the new Pit of 100 Trials music, but most of them just feel overly complicated, loud, and busy sounding for basically no reason.
At least the Nostalgic Tunes badge is there. I kept it on most of the time.
To me personally, most songs are an improvement but the boss songs. The only boss song i felt was an improvement was Magnus von grapple 2.0 and the mini boss battle, every other was i was disappointed with. Ch8 boss got me good with the double pain badge but i was happy since i could turn the nostalgia badge on to finish the game on a high note.
what's wrong with the boss songs? cause you're not saying they're bad, just that they disappointed you
No I tear up at that part too 😭
Glitzville really is a bonk
To me, they (mostly) did an amazing job.
Are you gonna make a video on the killer klowns game?
Is there a name for that haircut?
Awesome comparisons! I also greatly prefer the original Boggly Woods and Inside the Great Boogly Tree songs.
Gotta admit I'm disappointed at your views on the songs, especially the glitzville one, your bias for the old shows more than anything, but I guess this is a reaction and not an unbiased review of the new music
Am I the only one who loves the standard battle music remix but hates the new region-specific arrangements? I really wish the standard battle theme was kept throughout the entire game, it hyped me up like nothing else, and I’d take that over thematic fit personally.
Really? I think the standard battle theme is on the lower end to be honest
Like, chapter 6 battle theme and moon battle theme might be my favourite tracks in this game, period
@@enderallygolem I beat chapter 6 last night, and that battle theme definitely comes very close.
There's an irony that a lot of the new tracks lose their charm by adding too many layers / instruments and bloating the song to make it 'grander', yet the one time that would actually work really well (the "We're Counting on You, Mario!" song), they phone it in with the heavy metal vibe
Personally, I think that tracks that were never too noteworthy didn't have much charm to begin with, but to each their own
Check out Polyphia's album Renaissance. It's certainly angelic metal.
Great content, I wouldn't have minded an even deeper dive where you spend hours comparing every track in the game.
Personally, I think the standard battle theme remixes are reason enough for me not to use the Nostalgic Tunes badge much in future playthroughs; the original battle theme is great, but it can get grating having that same exact battle theme constantly playing by the time you're a few chapters in. Plus some of the remixes are on the same level of greatness as the original rendition(Hooktail Castle and Riverside Station especially). I'll just reserve Nostalgic Tunes for the final boss sequence, since they absolutely butchered the music there.
No lol. Final boss ost is miles better
I find a lot of them mid. Like some stuff is really nice but some tracks are just flat downgrades to me and it’s a shame. The biggest issue is that the nostalgic tunes badge removes unique battle themes for each chapter, which are undoubtedly the best musical change they made. It’s a good new soundtrack but you just can’t beat those iconic originals.
Yes I agree. I think you can never really replace the original soundtrack of a game. It’s the original after all. I see it as an alternative for people who want to shake it up a little lol.
But yeah it is difficult to choose between the original and the newly added situational tracks. I just be hopping between them 🥴
@@_kevosan nothing can replace the original for you because of rose tinted glasses. The only people complaining that the original music is better are people that have played the original many years ago.
@@miyamotomusashi6450 Very shortsighted to think every single person preferring the original is solely because of rose tinted glasses.
There are examples of people that never grew up with the original that prefer the electronic approach more than the rock/orchestral approach in the remake.
The remade music is absolutely breathtaking. I can't stop smiling at it. The only themes I was at all disappointed in were Glitzville and Doopliss.
I personally feel that the classic has a great overall tone that the remake doesn’t impact as hard with their full orchestration, HOWEVER, every new event and variations that use the original’s motifs absolutely nail it and go above the original. Every character theme added is an absolute banger, the new interludes to the soundscape keep the pacing way more consistent. So, all in all, you get a lot of value in the remake for giving the options.
I prefer the original soundtrack, a million times, more than the remake soundtrack.
They used many musical instruments, this time, and that's why I feel the remake's soundtrack is cluttered, like: Why use a Bass in boss battle themes like the Doopliss, Cortez and Smorg ones?
Imagine my dissapointment when I realized that they changed the Staff Credits theme. The original soundtrack one was more melancholic.
I bought the Nostalgic Tunes badge right away, but I didn't used it once, because I wanted to give a chance to the remake soundtrack. I wanted to like it, but I couldn't. The Rogueport theme is the only one that I liked in this remake.
Even though I finished this remake already, I rather play the original game, period.
I was hoping that The Thousand-Year Door remake, make a path to get remakes of the first Paper Mario and Super Paper Mario, but I after this whole experience, I think is for the best, that those games stay the way they already are.
No
I also prefer the original soundtrack. Maybe because some songs fit perfectly well with the game the original game.
Take those glasses off.
Like the other guy said
I start to think we don't need a new good paper mario with soul and so many osts remixed, and because the 30Fps for other people, so I think they need to do bads paper mario just to teach everyone a lesson so just shut up please