depends.... That's the thing, no matter how well you prepare, your life is in the hands of other people. Who knows what they will do. Even with inalienable rights , your life is in the hands of others.
He is guilty of being a war criminal. He had no business of going to Iraq invading a sovereign country which had nothing to do with 9/11 and killing innocent people over lies his own government told him and the world.
@@USCCAOfficial I’m In Arizona. Likely, not guilty. Since this is a scenario based training event, the “good guy” would’ve probably been carrying concealed. When he presented his firearm, would the “bad guy” with the knife attempt to retreat? If he didn’t retreat, would he have stood there and just took 7-9 rounds? I totally understand it’s a scenario, just that people act differently when they know they’re really not going to die.
@USCCAOfficial if you guys had a secondary channel of just scenario of the week, maybe even collab with active self-protection and reenact recent shootings, that would be absolutely amazing
Most self defenders have fantasies about what a potentially threatening encounter will be like, and mentally try to prepare for that senereo. Problem is that in their fantasies, they know the attack is coming, where it's coming from, how many perps, armed or not, etc. A real bad guy will never get a copy of the script you wrote, and if he did, he would go off script for his attack. Channels like Active Self Protection and others show what bad guys really do. Even with that perspective, dealing with an unexpected encounter physically is really different. I train at a facility that has a lot of ways to face a multitude of encounters. Be nice if training like you presented, or like I do, could be more readily available and not so damn expensive. Maybe USCCA could partner up with vetted training facilities across the country to give members access to this live experience. Maybe having the first encounter free or very cheap. Could be a win-win for you and the facility. You can offer something no other similar company offers. The training facility would be having people actually showing up at their facility as potential new customers. There are a lot of angles that could be developed to benefit everyone involved. Another point. I've never been a fan of the buz phrase "Getting off the X". The idea that if you take a couple of steps to the side, that the perp will keep shooting where you were originally is ludicrous. YOU ARE THE X... All you can do is make the X harder to hit. Only exceptions are if you can rapidly vanish from sight behind cover/concielment, or maybe in a zero light situation with good flashlight techniques. Another consideration is the "Tueller's 21 foot principle". Tom did one of the best explanations on this in a previous post. The things that almost no one brings up are that the 1.5 seconds for shots on target were from open carry by trained cops. Probably closer to 2-2.5 seconds or more for an unexpected, well trained carrier. Probably looking more like 30 feet. Second, the 1.5 seconds was the time for the perp to completely cover the distance to you, which means a knife in you at the same time you're shooting him. If you step to the side (off the X), maybe he'll miss. You may miss, too. Now, if you do get a round right in his heart, blowing it up, a well motivated perp still has at 15-20 seconds that he can keep going all OJ on you until it's impossible for him to continue. That's 10 times more time than the initial 1.5 seconds to cover 21 ft, or 210 feet, plus the initial 21 feet, making it a 230-240 foot rule, or the 80 yard rule. So if you choose to stay on the X, you have to shoot the perp in his heart, while he's running at you, when he's 70 yards away away, in 1.5 seconds, including OODA and draw time from concealment. Imagine defending that shot in court. If you're initially further than the 21ft, maybe you can hit the perp, then run to increase your distance, assuming you're faster than the young, strapping, drugged up murder chasing after you. While the Tueller Principle was valuable to show that a perp with a knife can be a mortal threat when he is out 21 feet, what I haven't heard brought up is what happens after he covers that 21 feet.
From my observation, five of the nine shots were basically Center of Mass (front), but the perp turned to run with the victim shooting him the remaining four times in the back (assuming the shots connected). Hellyweird & TV can make people think of the old westerns, potentially tainting the jury pool. They'll remember the perp was shot in the back. Under the rush of adrenaline, I can understand multiple shots; however, it's commonly stated that if a perp runs away (shot or not) you stop firing as the threat is assumed to be over. I wonder though: If the victim, upon noticing the second guy (perp) coming his way, could have commanded the perp to HALT! / STOP! if the bad guy continued moving toward him [victim] while moving to cover, putting one of the cars between them. You don't know the true intention of the bad guy until he brandished the knife and uttered the threat. That said, it's always best to be prepared, especially in dark places like a parking garage. Head-on-a-swivel and all that.... --Proud member of USCCA since 2016👍
To me something like this is scary enough but depending what state this happens in this can be treated differently. Justified in one state, on trial in another state because you didn't run away
The problem with these scenarios vs real life is you know in the scenario that someone is going to pretend to do you harm, in real life you don’t know who is gonna do you harm and when and if they are actually gonna do you harm. That’s what truely jam people up to make these scenarios more life like, is to have them take place over extended periods of time, so you don’t know when it’s coming.
I love this scenario because it made me truly think about how you train with your weapon. Imagine that you train thousands upon thousands of reps to draw concealed from 3:30 but this is the one day he decide to try AIWB. As fast as this scenario happened, you don't have time to fumble for your weapon.
Anthony, did you see and use the sights, or did you point shoot? Do you think a red dot would have made any difference? Thank you in advance for your answers.
A human body is a big target. Unless you're highly trained with a red dot, you'll waste value time fiddling around looking for your dot. Point and shoot. No red dot. My highly trained CCW instructor does not use a red dot on his EDC.
The only thing that could hurt him in court is did he have knife? Are you sure it was a knife or was he handing you something? When it comes to a jury then it will be my peers which means someone who is a veteran as well as a parent.
I think in real situation first the attacker will attack immediately, without warning, and the gun will be carried concealed - he couldn`t draw it so fast.
Question. What if someone is truly acting in self defense. USCCA then sends someone in to defend the case. But the defendant by a woke court is found guilty regardless. Does USCCA go back to the defendant for the attorney fee? Or does USCCA immediately pull out of the case if the defendant is charged with a crime? I suppose getting a bill for $100,000 or more would be salt in the wound.... and defendant would have bigger things to worry about at that point. But how does that work?
None of those. For one, simply being charged after a self defense incident is NOT a coverage exclusion. The appeals process is also available to members if needed (policy defines 'conviction' as the "final non appealable entry"). And on the recoupment point, 1) per policy language, recoupment is ONLY triggered when required by applicable law and not just because a member lost a case or took a plea. 2) In all the years the policy has been a member benefit, the recoupment clause has NEVER been used to recover any of the legal fees paid on behalf of members.
This scenario is already unrealistic from Go. He’s open carrying a weapon - far easier access but 99% of people, including him, wouldn’t be carrying in this manner.
Buddy there's a whole LOT of people who open carry every single day. I literally see it every single day. Concealed carry is not the way of choice for most people for many reasons.
Would it have been weird or unwise to 'try' and start guarding the right side of your head with your left hand while shooting and moving backward. I wonder if a second attacker would be able to overcome the load shots and move toward you, but still. If it's his buddy..
I can see a jury, especially if it is a blue state, saying he used excessive force for firing multiple rounds after the perp ran. I would say innocent, but it depends on the location. As soon as I am outnumbered and the attackers are armed, it is on though.
@@USCCAOfficial 'lol' all you want, it's a constructive criticism to help you. The scenario itself can be in realistic lighting but from a viewers perspective you need to adjust in post. Even with a cell phone brightness turned up, it's too dark for all but a dark room to watch in. Not being able to take critiques from people that consume your content and then laughing is wild.
How many of you think Anthony would be found guilty in this scenario?
Depends on the state and the county, unfortunately...
depends.... That's the thing, no matter how well you prepare, your life is in the hands of other people. Who knows what they will do. Even with inalienable rights , your life is in the hands of others.
He is guilty of being a war criminal. He had no business of going to Iraq invading a sovereign country which had nothing to do with 9/11 and killing innocent people over lies his own government told him and the world.
It depends... No matter how much you prepare, your life is in others' hands. Who knows what they'll do, even with rights.
In New York he would be guilty
In most states, not guilty. My first thought was, “are these 2 guys working together…one to distract me and one to rob me”? Great scenario and layout.
Right. Word of advice. Never leave a stranger behind you. Make sure you get in a position where no one (stranger) is behind you
Solid test.
Not guilty.
If I'm on the jury, he's going home.
True he should have kept his eye on the guy who was asking for the food, but instead he had his back turn bad judgment on him
How do you think it might go in your state?
@@USCCAOfficial I’m In Arizona. Likely, not guilty. Since this is a scenario based training event, the “good guy” would’ve probably been carrying concealed. When he presented his firearm, would the “bad guy” with the knife attempt to retreat? If he didn’t retreat, would he have stood there and just took 7-9 rounds? I totally understand it’s a scenario, just that people act differently when they know they’re really not going to die.
We NEED a LOT of these videos.
On it 🫡
@USCCAOfficial if you guys had a secondary channel of just scenario of the week, maybe even collab with active self-protection and reenact recent shootings, that would be absolutely amazing
Training is prudent and necessary.
Absolutely James!
We need more judges that side with the citizens instead of the criminals involving self defense
Im so glad you covered this topic. I park in a garage at work. Its lighted and we have cameras but this helped me a lot. Thanks Guys.
You're very welcome! We are happy to hear you found it helpful!
You served when my son-in-law did. ❤ Blessings to you.
Most self defenders have fantasies about what a potentially threatening encounter will be like, and mentally try to prepare for that senereo.
Problem is that in their fantasies, they know the attack is coming, where it's coming from, how many perps, armed or not, etc. A real bad guy will never get a copy of the script you wrote, and if he did, he would go off script for his attack. Channels like Active Self Protection and others show what bad guys really do. Even with that perspective, dealing with an unexpected encounter physically is really different. I train at a facility that has a lot of ways to face a multitude of encounters. Be nice if training like you presented, or like I do, could be more readily available and not so damn expensive. Maybe USCCA could partner up with vetted training facilities across the country to give members access to this live experience. Maybe having the first encounter free or very cheap. Could be a win-win for you and the facility. You can offer something no other similar company offers. The training facility would be having people actually showing up at their facility as potential new customers. There are a lot of angles that could be developed to benefit everyone involved.
Another point. I've never been a fan of the buz phrase "Getting off the X". The idea that if you take a couple of steps to the side, that the perp will keep shooting where you were originally is ludicrous. YOU ARE THE X... All you can do is make the X harder to hit. Only exceptions are if you can rapidly vanish from sight behind cover/concielment, or maybe in a zero light situation with good flashlight techniques.
Another consideration is the "Tueller's 21 foot principle". Tom did one of the best explanations on this in a previous post. The things that almost no one brings up are that the 1.5 seconds for shots on target were from open carry by trained cops. Probably closer to 2-2.5 seconds or more for an unexpected, well trained carrier. Probably looking more like 30 feet. Second, the 1.5 seconds was the time for the perp to completely cover the distance to you, which means a knife in you at the same time you're shooting him. If you step to the side (off the X), maybe he'll miss. You may miss, too. Now, if you do get a round right in his heart, blowing it up, a well motivated perp still has at 15-20 seconds that he can keep going all OJ on you until it's impossible for him to continue. That's 10 times more time than the initial 1.5 seconds to cover 21 ft, or 210 feet, plus the initial 21 feet, making it a 230-240 foot rule, or the 80 yard rule. So if you choose to stay on the X, you have to shoot the perp in his heart, while he's running at you, when he's 70 yards away away, in 1.5 seconds, including OODA and draw time from concealment. Imagine defending that shot in court. If you're initially further than the 21ft, maybe you can hit the perp, then run to increase your distance, assuming you're faster than the young, strapping, drugged up murder chasing after you.
While the Tueller Principle was valuable to show that a perp with a knife can be a mortal threat when he is out 21 feet, what I haven't heard brought up is what happens after he covers that 21 feet.
Force on force training is the most eye-opening experience of my concealed carry journey.
And its excellent practice! Have you gotten to do it often?
This was very informative, much appreciated!
We are happy to hear you found it helpful, thank you for your support!
From my observation, five of the nine shots were basically Center of Mass (front), but the perp turned to run with the victim shooting him the remaining four times in the back (assuming the shots connected). Hellyweird & TV can make people think of the old westerns, potentially tainting the jury pool. They'll remember the perp was shot in the back. Under the rush of adrenaline, I can understand multiple shots; however, it's commonly stated that if a perp runs away (shot or not) you stop firing as the threat is assumed to be over.
I wonder though: If the victim, upon noticing the second guy (perp) coming his way, could have commanded the perp to HALT! / STOP! if the bad guy continued moving toward him [victim] while moving to cover, putting one of the cars between them. You don't know the true intention of the bad guy until he brandished the knife and uttered the threat. That said, it's always best to be prepared, especially in dark places like a parking garage. Head-on-a-swivel and all that....
--Proud member of USCCA since 2016👍
Good training.
Thanks 👍
Thanks for your support!
Rule. Always leave the crap on your car where it's at. Get in your car and go. Lock the doors immediately.
Good plan. Thanks.
Especially if you aren’t the one that put it their
To me something like this is scary enough but depending what state this happens in this can be treated differently. Justified in one state, on trial in another state because you didn't run away
100%
Great training senecio
Thanks for your support!
Sure wouldn’t jail him for the quality of his beard. It’s Lit!
In my state I would have to hold up on about 3 rounds cause we are limited to 10 + 1 rounds.🙈
Exactly how it goes down
The problem with these scenarios vs real life is you know in the scenario that someone is going to pretend to do you harm, in real life you don’t know who is gonna do you harm and when and if they are actually gonna do you harm. That’s what truely jam people up to make these scenarios more life like, is to have them take place over extended periods of time, so you don’t know when it’s coming.
I love this scenario because it made me truly think about how you train with your weapon. Imagine that you train thousands upon thousands of reps to draw concealed from 3:30 but this is the one day he decide to try AIWB. As fast as this scenario happened, you don't have time to fumble for your weapon.
By far the most important aspect is what state you’re in
Last four shots were into the attacker's back. More problems as he was "attempting to flee"
Anthony, did you see and use the sights, or did you point shoot? Do you think a red dot would have made any difference?
Thank you in advance for your answers.
A human body is a big target. Unless you're highly trained with a red dot, you'll waste value time fiddling around looking for your dot. Point and shoot. No red dot. My highly trained CCW instructor does not use a red dot on his EDC.
@@nvpoolshooter Thank you for the reply.
Videos I have seen of Real Life scenarios there are 2-3 perps
Excellent scenario video.
Not guilty.
Thank you for your support!
The only thing that could hurt him in court is did he have knife? Are you sure it was a knife or was he handing you something? When it comes to a jury then it will be my peers which means someone who is a veteran as well as a parent.
I think in real situation first the attacker will attack immediately, without warning, and the gun will be carried concealed - he couldn`t draw it so fast.
Police would have done the exact same thing. They wouldn't retreat.
Ask the jury if they would be willing to have a knife stuck in their neck before defending themselves.
depends on what state you live in..
Question. What if someone is truly acting in self defense. USCCA then sends someone in to defend the case. But the defendant by a woke court is found guilty regardless. Does USCCA go back to the defendant for the attorney fee? Or does USCCA immediately pull out of the case if the defendant is charged with a crime? I suppose getting a bill for $100,000 or more would be salt in the wound.... and defendant would have bigger things to worry about at that point. But how does that work?
None of those.
For one, simply being charged after a self defense incident is NOT a coverage exclusion. The appeals process is also available to members if needed (policy defines 'conviction' as the "final non appealable entry").
And on the recoupment point, 1) per policy language, recoupment is ONLY triggered when required by applicable law and not just because a member lost a case or took a plea.
2) In all the years the policy has been a member benefit, the recoupment clause has NEVER been used to recover any of the legal fees paid on behalf of members.
This scenario is already unrealistic from Go. He’s open carrying a weapon - far easier access but 99% of people, including him, wouldn’t be carrying in this manner.
That’s why you didn’t get a heart. Truth hurts.
Buddy there's a whole LOT of people who open carry every single day. I literally see it every single day. Concealed carry is not the way of choice for most people for many reasons.
It's the exorbitant court and legal fees that compound the issue.
Would it have been weird or unwise to 'try' and start guarding the right side of your head with your left hand while shooting and moving backward. I wonder if a second attacker would be able to overcome the load shots and move toward you, but still. If it's his buddy..
I can see a jury, especially if it is a blue state, saying he used excessive force for firing multiple rounds after the perp ran. I would say innocent, but it depends on the location. As soon as I am outnumbered and the attackers are armed, it is on though.
What about the fact that he shot what looked like 2 times after the assailant turned and appeared to be leaving?
Except it's never guys that look like these lol
These guys actually work and have their own money
They'd never try to take a chick like me!😊❤️
I'm already a member get that thing off the screen
4th, 31 October 2024
OCD?
You say “unhoused” one more time, I’m blocking this channel.
Defend your life go to jail
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Most of this video needs a lot more lighting. Hard watch.
It's almost as though it is lighted like a parking garage.
Lol
@@USCCAOfficial 'lol' all you want, it's a constructive criticism to help you. The scenario itself can be in realistic lighting but from a viewers perspective you need to adjust in post. Even with a cell phone brightness turned up, it's too dark for all but a dark room to watch in.
Not being able to take critiques from people that consume your content and then laughing is wild.
Ask the jury if they would be willing to have a knife stuck in their neck before defending themselves.