The irony is a lot of the woke localizers _don't even speak Japanese._ Someone else is translating and then they are applying the woke filter on top of it in the name of "localization". They are doing it on purpose.
You don't feel much for them, i feel nothing but pure, unadulterated hatred towards english localizers for the atrocities they've done to translations of my favorite franchises.
I'm a translator. And I prefer AI over localizers because AI can be controlled by the author and respect the author. I became a translator because I wanted to become a creator and I don't trust other translators with my work. So I support this. Authors take priority. Respect them or get replaced.
One of the things that I found most offensive about localizers is that they're not translators -- most don't speak the language, what they do is take a rough version from the translator and change it. This is something that otherwise would be done by the translator, who is typically bicultural (unlike your average localizer). I actually think that AI translators will probably never be up to completely replacing humans...but they would be incredibly good for enabling translators to do better work & faster, and that would mean they could do the polishing themselves.
If you’re a translator with experience, then I’m sure you’re aware of the localization brain-rot infecting translators. Localization claims to do things that translators already did, and does it worse by doing weird things like choosing loose synonyms for translating words, completely ruining the tone and register of the word. Translators were good at this because it was their job to pin-point and transliterate the closest synonym. Yen Press is my prim example for this. It’s like they’re trying to translate it in a way that most people can’t read, regardless if the original was like that or not. 糞垂れどもが｡ ただ何のルールもないわけだけでやり放題しやがってる｡ 許さねぇ｡
Thing is... AI/Machine translation is rough at the best of times, and outright gibberish on many occasions as well. This should be used to 'start' the translation of something, but human translators should also be involved at every step.
Normally I would be against using AI, mainly use of AI for anything, art for example, promotes laziness and churns out cursed end product. But if AI translation can do a decent job, and is the only way to avoid using localizers when comes anime and manga, why not?
When you abuse your tenure in a self-righteous crusade to pervert and infect the industry, all just to push a certain "message", you deserve everything that karma sends your way.
Japanese now one year learning. Chatgpt exceptionally good is. If you're learning Japanese you'll understand my sentence structure joke there :) But seriously it's really freaking good at Japanese.
One REALLY important thing to keep in mind is that localizers don't speak a lick of Japanese and are often likely to be the obnoxious and odious tourist when they travel outside of their home area. I'd rather have bad machine translations, even if they're passed along raw without an actual translator doing a cleanup pass. (At what I hear the page rates tend to be, that might actually allow you to have human translators able to earn enough to make the job worthwhile: You might not be able to raise the page rates, but if you drop the amount of work required to match what you can pay...)
The translators were never the issue. It's the localizers, who receive an already-translated version which they then get paid to ruin. This isn't a big win and won't affect localizers at all.
Normally I would be against using AI, mainly use of AI for anything, art for example, promotes laziness and churns out cursed end product. But if AI translation can do a decent job, and is the only way to avoid using localizers when comes anime and manga, why not?
@whitewolf3051 normally my view of AI is that it is an assistant not a replacement. AI can be used as an assistant to speed up production on content you are making but never rely on the AI 100%. You still need to do some work yourself. Localizers are the rare exception that deserve to be replaced
@@whitewolf3051 It promotes laziness as much as the first car promoted laziness, it doesn't, it just makes things easier and more accessible for a lot of people, it is just a tool like the car.
@@whitewolf3051 Translation =\= Localization Localization needs to go away and just purely translate 1 to 1. If you don't get the joke because it's cultural, watch more anime.
I wouldnt say I'm happy about this, simply because not every localizer and translator is a bigoted shit head, but the industry has brought this on itself. In any other situation, the community would be on the workers side over them being replaced with AI, but the localizers have so through rally burnt all of the bridges with the community at large that thats not going to happen.
I do not and will not side with anyone over being replaced with AI if I have any reason to suspect that they supported, in ANY fashion, the replacement of men with machines in workplaces. This is no different. The only reason people are freaking out over AI artists and translators is because the folks who have most loudly advocated for the destruction of low skill labor work forces are the same people who believed their artsy positions could never be taken from them. Self centered fuckers have been telling workers "learn to code" for *decades* now when their loss of jobs at the hands of machines was brought up. The rest of you can learn to code now too. There is NOTHING wrong with AI replacing artists, just as there was nothing wrong with robots replacing working hands. We crossed this river a long time ago now. Anyone playing otherwise is just one of those selfish tools who believed their skills were irreplaceable and whom shared not one drop of sympathy with people who lost their homes and went hungry when they were kicked out of machine plants.
Tbh in today's globalized world, the concept of an anime localizer isn't necessary anymore. People are already used to consuming international media, with international cultural references. We don't need "jelly donuts" anymore. All we need is pure translators.
@DaShikuXI To be a bit blunt on this, some things might still need it - not for cultural references, but more for idioms and euphemisms: this is a completely unrelated language, but in a novel series called “Scum Villain’s Self-Saving System”, there’s an alias whose meaning doesn’t translate well when done literally: in the original language (Chinese), “Airplane” is roughly slang for “beating an airplane”, which I’ll have to leave understanding the meaning to readers because of UA-cam. In a Japanese case, there’re a few cases in anime where certain jokes don’t land because of *tone* , rather than anything cultural. I saw a video going over dubs vs subs, where there were two dubbed versions of an anime: one where it was a direct translation, one where it changed the words to capture the same tone. The second actually sounded less awkward. Which brings my next point, some words are not one-for-one: other languages have words that don’t exist in our language and vice-versa: the English language has a lot of synonyms that do not exist in other languages, and Japanese has a lot of words that don’t exist in English. I’m adding this part because I just remembered Spy x Family, but it’s probably the best case of localizers. Due to Anya being six, there are a lot of pun/jokes that would require annotations to understand , such as what leads her to thinking of frogs from an assassin’s words, or why Yuri ends up calling her “Chihuahua Girl” (it was because Anya mistakes her uncle’s words as “powerful chihuahua” or “swole chihuahua” in the English translation). This doesn’t excuse what current localizers do, but it does mean that *good ones* would still be needed. And AI might just be that, the barrier that separates the hacks from the fans.
Honestly, localizers deserve to be replaced. Instead of doing the job they were hired for in good faith, they changed context of phrases, sometimes completely altered the personalities of characters and changed the story being told to push THEIR agenda over the mangaka's story. Don't do the job you were hired for, lose it. That's how it works for anything else. FAFO
I can hear the localizer's typing on twitter. One of the only jobs I want to be replaced by A.I. If you didn't want to be replaced, then do your actual job
Good for them, maybe corporations in the localization will start doing their actual job than force an agenda. Give it another 5 or so years before they get the memo.
Yeah this is a case of the lesser of 2 evils. I'd rather it be done by a real person with passion and a love of manga but when that's not an option I'll gladly take Ai
@@Topbeehler naive. Censoring and hardcoded responses are a huge plague upon AI. One big investment with some DEI incentive and propaganda is going to spread the same way.
The question for anime and manga localizers: can you translate anime and manga without putting anything weird in them even if it's just a single word? After all, we don't ask you to put something subversive on them. No/you can't? Then, that's why people prefer AI translator than localizers because the latter tend to have a feeling that they'll feel incomplete or missing if they don't put sus words into the anime and manga. As if that they have/need to put those words into anime and manga no matter what.
I hope theres one that users can use. I know these companies are not going to translate the manga I've been reading and the translators... they haven't updated in over a year and I'm very upset about it. I really hope they didn't abandoned it. This ain't the first time they left it alone for a year but on it's Japanese website, it's frequently updating. (although they are behind a paywall)
What is so great about machines: They do exactly what you set it up to do. What is not so great about machines: They do exactly what you set it up to do.
For me personally this ai thing is a win win, since A: you hopefully get much better, non-political translations and B: you get options for more languages that got miniscule attention. I hope this same comes to anime too some day. Most current anime localizers need to get foot.
I don't know if AI can translate accurately without understanding context sometimes, but the industry kinda had this coming by not vetting woke activism more rigourously...
In a perfect world, manga publishers would just screen translators instead of letting them do whatever they want. We'll see how AI translations will fare.
Translating softwares have been a thing for years. Technically you could say it's a bit trickier for a machine to translate text in a manga or graphic novel as the formatting and layout deviate from "normal" full-page material. Here's the kicker though, even with translation software on "standard layout", an actual translator will still review the source material and the final product to make sure no weird shenanigans pops up. The issue is more or less activists parading as translators and localizers without learning the process properly and screwing things up.
If translators had made honest work and had not sought to confront us as the group of ideological warriors they are, perhaps today we could've said something in their favor. Remember guys: don't spit upwards.
Incompetence in implementation aside, I think it's a good idea to remind people that AI is currently at it's worst, and will only become more capable over time. ...Unless of course it gets lobotomized like ChatGPT did with 4.0 and ends up actually regressing as a result. But let's assume things will be developed properly in Japan.
this is good new because even if it doesnt replace traditional localizers, it will still give them very strong incentive to just do their job well instead of taking "creative" liberties with the material since itll be competition that theyll lose jobs and money to if they dont step up their game
They had one of the most simplest jobs that would of never ended and they trashed it. they F-ed around and found out the hard way... No sympathy... ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)
I don't want AI to replace human translators. But they're not giving us much choice, because the people in charge are not improving things. If I could get an AI translation of the next Dragon Quest game instead of what we've gotten for the last 20 years, I'd gladly support it. Don't like that idea? Then fucking fix it yourself, SquareEnix. Replace the localization director who keeps insisting on massive changes to the dialogue/characters. And stop pushing cheesy accents.
I'll never be able to shake my concerns that the AI might have been lobotomized or otherwise compromised. Reading in Japanese is fun, but that's probably because I don't mind stopping to look up unfamiliar words in a dictionary.
If an AI is more faithful to what the creator of a series tries to conveys than so called translators that neither respect the language nor the original work then I have no problems siding with Skynet!
Huh. Not a bad idea really but going by Google Translate I would also consider keeping some proofreaders/english editors on staff just to make sure the engine coherently translates. After alll context can be changed just from a missing comma or period.
Considering some openly admitted to not even reading and just making up story this is insanely good news such a big company is going for AI. Id rather read slight mistranslations then the story being completely altered. I question how these people even learnt Japanese to translate in the first place and ended having such a hatred towards it.
The punchline: It won't matter, because AI translations will still need to be vetted to weed out the _inevitable_ peculiarities that AI will spit out... and the people these anime/manga producers are going to _tap_ for all that proofreading will be the remnants of today's localizing community-complete with the same soapboxes.
Hire the scanlators to proofread and edit the machine translations when needed. it should be hard to find those who just want to do right by the show and the fans
Hope this means my issues of sakamoto days can be released faster now. I've been collecting them but i also read them online to stay as current as I can off scans from the site
Im not really sure about AI But i also think that localization is not needed anymore It's not the 90s or 2000s where the internet is not so mainstream or maybe not all people have access to it We live in era where almost all people who can access foreign media, 100% they have access on internet
Considering the issue with how bad some AI translations can be, it'd be great to have real people localise instead. However! The amount of corruption in the localising industry is ridiculous with tons of activists injecting nonsense into their translations that wasn't even what was said. So I'd still rather have a bad AI translation than blatant mistranslations. At least with AI, you know you're getting a translation that's going to be more accurate than anything else unless it's been programmed to "wokeify" translations or something.
Do you ever just watch videos about drama in/about twitter anime community even though you don't actually watch anime that much, nor use twitter at all except to follow an artist or two? Anyway this is pretty cool to hear.
I really wish we had human translators. We will lose a lot in translation now. STILL this is a step up from most modern "localizers". An L all around but the fact it is better than what we have today is the really sad part.
As long as a trusted human reviews the translations and only make changes based on grammatical structure, it's perfectly fine. At present, AI is just a glorified hybrid of a search engine and chat bot. Not the reincarnation of Shodan, Am, Skynet, GlaDOS, Hal 2000 or Joshua. We're a long way off from that.
it sounds like a good thing in the short term but don't be fooled. AI translation will just become corrupt like the current system. the interesting bit to me is how corrupt will it be if AI is doing most of the work.
The translation by AI are still a bit rough or broken when the words are too small, so i guess the proof reading is still needed. I just hope the proof reader are not those kind of people.
learning a new language and apply that skill is a very hard thing to do. im am really sad about those translator that where just doing their jobs and sudenly, thanks to a cocky asshole, they lost that income, its and absolute shame: even worse that is AI what is getting used to replace those jobs.
I don't believe that the translations will be left 100% to the AI. There will still need to be an actual person to review the translation to ensure it was translated correctly. And translations are not always 1:1 due to words having different cultural meanings, and people will still need to ensure that the correct meaning is translated, not just the words. I don't know how good the AI translations are, but I suspect it won't be perfect every time, and will still require people to review it and correct the mistakes. Example: "Arigato (ありがと)" means "Thank you" in a casual form, and "Arigato Gozaimasu (ありがとございます) is the formal and polite form of saying thank you, which is often translated to "thank you very much" in English. It does not literally mean "thank you very much", "Arigato Gozaimasu" is just the polite and formal way to say thank you, and in English "Thank you very much" is a polite and formal way to say thank you. So we can use that translation. But we can also say in English "Thank you so much!" or "Thank you with all my heart" or "I very much appreciate it" or many other ways to express thank you in a formal way. I don't know if AI translators would always translate "arigato gozaimasu" to "thank you very much". Or if it would be able to recognize context, and translate the correct meaning. Like if a dying husband says to his wife "Arigato gozaimasu" for being by his side. It might make more sense to translate it to "Thank you with all my heart" instead of translating it to "Thank you very much". I don't know if AI translators would be able to recognize context like this and translate the meaning and feelings correctly. So I have doubts that AI translations will be left 100% to AI unless there's no money or time to have a human review it. And if a person needs to review it, then they can still abuse the translations.
Normally I would be against using AI, mainly use of AI for anything, art for example, promotes laziness and churns out cursed end product. But if AI translation can do a decent job, and is the only way to avoid using localizers when comes anime and manga, why not?
Square Enix? Good, that's restores some of my respect for them. I just Finished Dawntrail, and boy let me tell you. The "Woke Agenda" is STRONG in it. Complaining about being "Dead Named", the pitfalls of Eugenics, and mostly the ONLY Kingdom that is to be "taken out"... if you run around and look at the people of the Kindgom that is to be destroyed... they are ALL of "pale complection". The most you see of slight darker skin is Duskwight Elezen... Which would be "pale complection adjacent". SBI and their Woke Agenda didn't just put their nonsense in a "few lines of he story as to not offend anyone of Western Audience." They full on made sure the one kingdom that gets wiped out, is a giant "Unalive White People" message.
I hope the EN market does well with this, nobody should go through what you guys are, if there is one thing that the PT-BR fans are proud of, is our subs and dubs, always great, and I heard the Hispanic America have it great too, so let's hope the EN fans can have it too.
When the tech gets good enough, there's no reason to use humans for translation. There's no creative process going on. Author has certain vision and expresses it. Audience wants the same thing, just legible/audible in their language. With AI being good enough, you could record 1 voice performance and get 15 languages (and same voice! so Kiryu in Yakuza is always the same awesome Japanese voice actor, not some California fart in English version). Obviously there will always be some tiny edge cases where for AAA perfect performance you will need a language expert assisting with some rare very tricky bit where languages diverge so much it can't be easily swapped out... but still assisting the original director and/or assisting the translator AI.
Ok so this may be a stupid question but I just wanna clarify: when using ai, are we only talking about the translation not the dubbing? Cause I’m the actual dubbing front is much prefer actual actor before any kind of ai.
I will take somewhat janky but high budget machine translation (which will be quality review edited) over blatantly misrepresenting the original content for western agendas ANY day.
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They don’t respect a language enough to properly translate it then they’ll act upset when they get replaced. I don’t feel much for them here.
They’re just mad that they’re losing an avenue to spread .
The irony is a lot of the woke localizers _don't even speak Japanese._ Someone else is translating and then they are applying the woke filter on top of it in the name of "localization". They are doing it on purpose.
they are crybullies
You don't feel much for them, i feel nothing but pure, unadulterated hatred towards english localizers for the atrocities they've done to translations of my favorite franchises.
true, but this is a slippery slope. We might be apathetic now because of justified resentment, but you have to admit, it's bad for the future.
I'm a translator. And I prefer AI over localizers because AI can be controlled by the author and respect the author. I became a translator because I wanted to become a creator and I don't trust other translators with my work. So I support this. Authors take priority. Respect them or get replaced.
Yep. Honestly, I think AI could be more accurate for translations, too.
I know how you feel. I would nuch prefer to translate my own work instead of giving it to someone who's going to do whatever they want.
One of the things that I found most offensive about localizers is that they're not translators -- most don't speak the language, what they do is take a rough version from the translator and change it. This is something that otherwise would be done by the translator, who is typically bicultural (unlike your average localizer).
I actually think that AI translators will probably never be up to completely replacing humans...but they would be incredibly good for enabling translators to do better work & faster, and that would mean they could do the polishing themselves.
If you’re a translator with experience, then I’m sure you’re aware of the localization brain-rot infecting translators. Localization claims to do things that translators already did, and does it worse by doing weird things like choosing loose synonyms for translating words, completely ruining the tone and register of the word. Translators were good at this because it was their job to pin-point and transliterate the closest synonym. Yen Press is my prim example for this. It’s like they’re trying to translate it in a way that most people can’t read, regardless if the original was like that or not.
糞垂れどもが｡ ただ何のルールもないわけだけでやり放題しやがってる｡ 許さねぇ｡
Between which languages?
Localization is the only job I WANT to be replaced by AI. It's just a language barrier that bad people have been abused for a VERY long time.
Thing is... AI/Machine translation is rough at the best of times, and outright gibberish on many occasions as well. This should be used to 'start' the translation of something, but human translators should also be involved at every step.
Hell yeah! Crawl toward the heavens, up and out of the rubble of the tower of Babel!
Localization is the only part of the translation process that wouldn't be replaced.
Also minimum wage jobs should be taken over by AI too. We don't really need those, because no one wants to work a minimum wage job, anyway.
Normally I would be against using AI, mainly use of AI for anything, art for example, promotes laziness and churns out cursed end product. But if AI translation can do a decent job, and is the only way to avoid using localizers when comes anime and manga, why not?
Localizers are going to be big mad...
Oh well. Bully for them.
Great meme potential
Guess they should just ... "Learn to code" LOL!
Bully miguire: Gonna cry?
When you abuse your tenure in a self-righteous crusade to pervert and infect the industry, all just to push a certain "message", you deserve everything that karma sends your way.
I am not a fan of AI, nor will I advocate for it. But accurate translations for dubs need to be made without any woke crap in it.
And yet I pray there's no stereotypes for both eastern and western media
I am a fan of AI, and will advocate for it. But accurate translations for dubs need to be made without any woke crap in it. (ur cool btw)
Right? Just stick to the script and translate as accurately as possible. No exceptions.
Japanese now one year learning. Chatgpt exceptionally good is.
If you're learning Japanese you'll understand my sentence structure joke there :)
But seriously it's really freaking good at Japanese.
That Word means nothing honestly
One REALLY important thing to keep in mind is that localizers don't speak a lick of Japanese and are often likely to be the obnoxious and odious tourist when they travel outside of their home area.
I'd rather have bad machine translations, even if they're passed along raw without an actual translator doing a cleanup pass. (At what I hear the page rates tend to be, that might actually allow you to have human translators able to earn enough to make the job worthwhile: You might not be able to raise the page rates, but if you drop the amount of work required to match what you can pay...)
Whenever I hear the phrase “Mantra Engine,” or something similar, my mind immediately jumps to Asura’s Wrath lol.
The translators were never the issue. It's the localizers, who receive an already-translated version which they then get paid to ruin. This isn't a big win and won't affect localizers at all.
Mantra Engine sounds like some sort of forbidden and/or powerful ancient technology from some loosely Buddhist inspired Sci-fantasy story.
I'm usually against AI in cases similar to this, but localizers will do an even worse job and they don't deserve those jobs, so W.
Good. The localizers deserve to be replaced by AI
Normally I would be against using AI, mainly use of AI for anything, art for example, promotes laziness and churns out cursed end product. But if AI translation can do a decent job, and is the only way to avoid using localizers when comes anime and manga, why not?
@whitewolf3051 normally my view of AI is that it is an assistant not a replacement. AI can be used as an assistant to speed up production on content you are making but never rely on the AI 100%. You still need to do some work yourself. Localizers are the rare exception that deserve to be replaced
@@whitewolf3051 It promotes laziness as much as the first car promoted laziness, it doesn't, it just makes things easier and more accessible for a lot of people, it is just a tool like the car.
@@whitewolf3051 Translation =\= Localization Localization needs to go away and just purely translate 1 to 1. If you don't get the joke because it's cultural, watch more anime.
@@celestirr 100% agree with you!!!
So you're not going to mention how Blackstone is going to ruin this opportunity? (A E-Manga platform dumped 1.7 Billion dollars on Blackstone.)
Blackstone is regarding Infocom not Manta
@@HeroHei So that means, Shueisha and Shogakukan won't be affected. That's a relief.
They bought a digital manga website, not a publishing company. I doubt they'll have much say in the production of manga.
@@Pyovali Thanks for the clarification.
Also blackstone and blackrock are two different companies. Blackrock came out of blackstone and split off. They are not on good terms.
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I wouldnt say I'm happy about this, simply because not every localizer and translator is a bigoted shit head, but the industry has brought this on itself. In any other situation, the community would be on the workers side over them being replaced with AI, but the localizers have so through rally burnt all of the bridges with the community at large that thats not going to happen.
I do not and will not side with anyone over being replaced with AI if I have any reason to suspect that they supported, in ANY fashion, the replacement of men with machines in workplaces. This is no different. The only reason people are freaking out over AI artists and translators is because the folks who have most loudly advocated for the destruction of low skill labor work forces are the same people who believed their artsy positions could never be taken from them. Self centered fuckers have been telling workers "learn to code" for *decades* now when their loss of jobs at the hands of machines was brought up.
The rest of you can learn to code now too. There is NOTHING wrong with AI replacing artists, just as there was nothing wrong with robots replacing working hands. We crossed this river a long time ago now. Anyone playing otherwise is just one of those selfish tools who believed their skills were irreplaceable and whom shared not one drop of sympathy with people who lost their homes and went hungry when they were kicked out of machine plants.
Tbh in today's globalized world, the concept of an anime localizer isn't necessary anymore. People are already used to consuming international media, with international cultural references. We don't need "jelly donuts" anymore. All we need is pure translators.
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To be a bit blunt on this, some things might still need it - not for cultural references, but more for idioms and euphemisms: this is a completely unrelated language, but in a novel series called “Scum Villain’s Self-Saving System”, there’s an alias whose meaning doesn’t translate well when done literally: in the original language (Chinese), “Airplane” is roughly slang for “beating an airplane”, which I’ll have to leave understanding the meaning to readers because of UA-cam.
In a Japanese case, there’re a few cases in anime where certain jokes don’t land because of *tone* , rather than anything cultural. I saw a video going over dubs vs subs, where there were two dubbed versions of an anime: one where it was a direct translation, one where it changed the words to capture the same tone. The second actually sounded less awkward.
Which brings my next point, some words are not one-for-one: other languages have words that don’t exist in our language and vice-versa: the English language has a lot of synonyms that do not exist in other languages, and Japanese has a lot of words that don’t exist in English.
I’m adding this part because I just remembered Spy x Family, but it’s probably the best case of localizers. Due to Anya being six, there are a lot of pun/jokes that would require annotations to understand , such as what leads her to thinking of frogs from an assassin’s words, or why Yuri ends up calling her “Chihuahua Girl” (it was because Anya mistakes her uncle’s words as “powerful chihuahua” or “swole chihuahua” in the English translation).
This doesn’t excuse what current localizers do, but it does mean that *good ones* would still be needed.
And AI might just be that, the barrier that separates the hacks from the fans.
As long as it's used appropriately I have no complaints 🗿
Twitter cop can cope all they want w anime community
Honestly, localizers deserve to be replaced. Instead of doing the job they were hired for in good faith, they changed context of phrases, sometimes completely altered the personalities of characters and changed the story being told to push THEIR agenda over the mangaka's story. Don't do the job you were hired for, lose it. That's how it works for anything else. FAFO
I can hear the localizer's typing on twitter. One of the only jobs I want to be replaced by A.I. If you didn't want to be replaced, then do your actual job
No more activists
I think is good, not just for manga but novels, having a more "precise" and fast translation is what most want.
Good for them, maybe corporations in the localization will start doing their actual job than force an agenda. Give it another 5 or so years before they get the memo.
Twitter which it is now X cops are pissed *inserts troll smug faces here*
AI replacing some jobs is good actually.
Yeah this is a case of the lesser of 2 evils. I'd rather it be done by a real person with passion and a love of manga but when that's not an option I'll gladly take Ai
@@Topbeehler naive.
Censoring and hardcoded responses are a huge plague upon AI.
One big investment with some DEI incentive and propaganda is going to spread the same way.
The question for anime and manga localizers: can you translate anime and manga without putting anything weird in them even if it's just a single word? After all, we don't ask you to put something subversive on them.
No/you can't? Then, that's why people prefer AI translator than localizers because the latter tend to have a feeling that they'll feel incomplete or missing if they don't put sus words into the anime and manga. As if that they have/need to put those words into anime and manga no matter what.
I hope theres one that users can use. I know these companies are not going to translate the manga I've been reading and the translators... they haven't updated in over a year and I'm very upset about it. I really hope they didn't abandoned it. This ain't the first time they left it alone for a year but on it's Japanese website, it's frequently updating. (although they are behind a paywall)
I want my manga and light novels to be as close to the original Japanese as possible. Especially if I periodically learn new words as a result.
What is so great about machines: They do exactly what you set it up to do.
What is not so great about machines: They do exactly what you set it up to do.
For me personally this ai thing is a win win, since
A: you hopefully get much better, non-political translations and
B: you get options for more languages that got miniscule attention.
I hope this same comes to anime too some day. Most current anime localizers need to get foot.
as long as the AI is not controlled by a person who has the same mindset as those crappy localizers
I will forever curse the person who decided to translate "Zoro" as "Zolo". If this AI can avoid that bullsht then I'm all for it.
I don't know if AI can translate accurately without understanding context sometimes, but the industry kinda had this coming by not vetting woke activism more rigourously...
In a perfect world, manga publishers would just screen translators instead of letting them do whatever they want. We'll see how AI translations will fare.
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It's a big win for us anime fans, But don't let it go to your heads.
Stay focused and stay strong, Savvy?
0:26 hitting like for Mako, she's so wholesome
We may finally get the Golgo 13 translation thanks to the MTL currently we are missing most of the chapters
Translating softwares have been a thing for years. Technically you could say it's a bit trickier for a machine to translate text in a manga or graphic novel as the formatting and layout deviate from "normal" full-page material.
Here's the kicker though, even with translation software on "standard layout", an actual translator will still review the source material and the final product to make sure no weird shenanigans pops up. The issue is more or less activists parading as translators and localizers without learning the process properly and screwing things up.
If translators had made honest work and had not sought to confront us as the group of ideological warriors they are, perhaps today we could've said something in their favor. Remember guys: don't spit upwards.
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I love your videos man, all my weeb news in one place with no filler or meaningless BS.
Incompetence in implementation aside, I think it's a good idea to remind people that AI is currently at it's worst, and will only become more capable over time.
...Unless of course it gets lobotomized like ChatGPT did with 4.0 and ends up actually regressing as a result. But let's assume things will be developed properly in Japan.
How can we be sure that they aren't injecting the same ideas translators currently have into the AI training?
Blackrock is trying to buy manga and anime, so it's time to see if Japan will truly stand up or bend the knee.
this is good new because even if it doesnt replace traditional localizers, it will still give them very strong incentive to just do their job well instead of taking "creative" liberties with the material since itll be competition that theyll lose jobs and money to if they dont step up their game
They had one of the most simplest jobs that would of never ended and they trashed it.
they F-ed around and found out the hard way... No sympathy... ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)
I don't want AI to replace human translators. But they're not giving us much choice, because the people in charge are not improving things. If I could get an AI translation of the next Dragon Quest game instead of what we've gotten for the last 20 years, I'd gladly support it. Don't like that idea? Then fucking fix it yourself, SquareEnix. Replace the localization director who keeps insisting on massive changes to the dialogue/characters. And stop pushing cheesy accents.
I'll never be able to shake my concerns that the AI might have been lobotomized or otherwise compromised. Reading in Japanese is fun, but that's probably because I don't mind stopping to look up unfamiliar words in a dictionary.
If an AI is more faithful to what the creator of a series tries to conveys than so called translators that neither respect the language nor the original work then I have no problems siding with Skynet!
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Huh. Not a bad idea really but going by Google Translate I would also consider keeping some proofreaders/english editors on staff just to make sure the engine coherently translates. After alll context can be changed just from a missing comma or period.
I don't want sensitivity readers screwing with my stuff
Twitter cops: "They terk er jerbs!" D:
Considering some openly admitted to not even reading and just making up story this is insanely good news such a big company is going for AI.
Id rather read slight mistranslations then the story being completely altered.
I question how these people even learnt Japanese to translate in the first place and ended having such a hatred towards it.
The localizers don't translate it, they receive it already translated and THEN ruin it. The only thing this will do is make things worse.
The punchline: It won't matter, because AI translations will still need to be vetted to weed out the _inevitable_ peculiarities that AI will spit out... and the people these anime/manga producers are going to _tap_ for all that proofreading will be the remnants of today's localizing community-complete with the same soapboxes.
Hire the scanlators to proofread and edit the machine translations when needed. it should be hard to find those who just want to do right by the show and the fans
Hope this means my issues of sakamoto days can be released faster now. I've been collecting them but i also read them online to stay as current as I can off scans from the site
Im not really sure about AI
But i also think that localization is not needed anymore
It's not the 90s or 2000s where the internet is not so mainstream or maybe not all people have access to it
We live in era where almost all people who can access foreign media, 100% they have access on internet
The people who complain about those bad localizations back then were awkward social people.
AI translations need some proofreading ususally, but better than localizers.
I'm just waiting for AI to good enough to be used on all the untraslated animated works from the 60s/70s/80s.
That's good. Now there should be some more accurate translations.
Considering the issue with how bad some AI translations can be, it'd be great to have real people localise instead. However! The amount of corruption in the localising industry is ridiculous with tons of activists injecting nonsense into their translations that wasn't even what was said. So I'd still rather have a bad AI translation than blatant mistranslations. At least with AI, you know you're getting a translation that's going to be more accurate than anything else unless it's been programmed to "wokeify" translations or something.
What about scambags from Blackstone?
Ignore this. I asked without checking your channel.
They better check the translation after the AI does.
They brought it on themselves
As someone who is making a manga i see this as a Huge win!
I hope this spreads to video games not long after, too. 😊
I also just got into the kengan series as well as Baki... The less we say about the crossover the better.
And thats why I only watch Fansubs.
Theyre art on theyr own, and writters personality and little notes give life to the whole thing.
Do you ever just watch videos about drama in/about twitter anime community even though you don't actually watch anime that much, nor use twitter at all except to follow an artist or two?
Anyway this is pretty cool to hear.
The only problem I have with AI is potential inaccuracies. But, at least we have the political crap out of the way.
even if they have AI translations they can still not agree with the finish product and alter it.
maybe make an explenation about localizers and translators. i have no idea there was a problem as i rarely read manga. would love to know more
I know there are some pretty good and decent localizer out there but every time a new among us published, we always get the crappy ones
The funny part is things weren't supposed to be this way but lolcowlizers have racked up an impressive amount of hate
Can't wait for anime to be on that list.
Job Automation isn't so bad after all
I really wish we had human translators. We will lose a lot in translation now.
STILL this is a step up from most modern "localizers". An L all around but the fact it is better than what we have today is the really sad part.
As long as a trusted human reviews the translations and only make changes based on grammatical structure, it's perfectly fine. At present, AI is just a glorified hybrid of a search engine and chat bot. Not the reincarnation of Shodan, Am, Skynet, GlaDOS, Hal 2000 or Joshua. We're a long way off from that.
LETS GO GAMERS NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT?!
They used their position to push their agenda instead of respecting the authors, and now they get replaced because of it.
You reap what you saw.
I never saw good machine translation, so I don't really fun of this direction.
Implementing AI instead of searching for the right people is a win for nobody
*ONE OF THE TIME THAT REPLACE HUMAN WITH AI IS ACCEPTABLE*
it sounds like a good thing in the short term but don't be fooled. AI translation will just become corrupt like the current system. the interesting bit to me is how corrupt will it be if AI is doing most of the work.
The translation by AI are still a bit rough or broken when the words are too small, so i guess the proof reading is still needed.
I just hope the proof reader are not those kind of people.
learning a new language and apply that skill is a very hard thing to do.
im am really sad about those translator that where just doing their jobs and sudenly, thanks to a cocky asshole, they lost that income, its and absolute shame:
even worse that is AI what is getting used to replace those jobs.
LLM for translating can still be trained in a malicious manner that the current bad translators want. Keep your eyes peeled.
If the translation is bad I won't buy it whether it's bad AI or bad human work if it's bad it's not worth my money
I don't believe that the translations will be left 100% to the AI. There will still need to be an actual person to review the translation to ensure it was translated correctly. And translations are not always 1:1 due to words having different cultural meanings, and people will still need to ensure that the correct meaning is translated, not just the words. I don't know how good the AI translations are, but I suspect it won't be perfect every time, and will still require people to review it and correct the mistakes.
Example: "Arigato (ありがと)" means "Thank you" in a casual form, and "Arigato Gozaimasu (ありがとございます) is the formal and polite form of saying thank you, which is often translated to "thank you very much" in English. It does not literally mean "thank you very much", "Arigato Gozaimasu" is just the polite and formal way to say thank you, and in English "Thank you very much" is a polite and formal way to say thank you. So we can use that translation. But we can also say in English "Thank you so much!" or "Thank you with all my heart" or "I very much appreciate it" or many other ways to express thank you in a formal way. I don't know if AI translators would always translate "arigato gozaimasu" to "thank you very much". Or if it would be able to recognize context, and translate the correct meaning. Like if a dying husband says to his wife "Arigato gozaimasu" for being by his side. It might make more sense to translate it to "Thank you with all my heart" instead of translating it to "Thank you very much". I don't know if AI translators would be able to recognize context like this and translate the meaning and feelings correctly.
So I have doubts that AI translations will be left 100% to AI unless there's no money or time to have a human review it. And if a person needs to review it, then they can still abuse the translations.
Hopefully, there will be a ton of manga that has been untranslated for many years
Normally I would be against using AI, mainly use of AI for anything, art for example, promotes laziness and churns out cursed end product. But if AI translation can do a decent job, and is the only way to avoid using localizers when comes anime and manga, why not?
Man, theyre still malding. its their mess at 1st place. XD
That’s fine, we meme the Reddit cops
Square Enix? Good, that's restores some of my respect for them. I just Finished Dawntrail, and boy let me tell you. The "Woke Agenda" is STRONG in it. Complaining about being "Dead Named", the pitfalls of Eugenics, and mostly the ONLY Kingdom that is to be "taken out"... if you run around and look at the people of the Kindgom that is to be destroyed... they are ALL of "pale complection". The most you see of slight darker skin is Duskwight Elezen... Which would be "pale complection adjacent".
SBI and their Woke Agenda didn't just put their nonsense in a "few lines of he story as to not offend anyone of Western Audience." They full on made sure the one kingdom that gets wiped out, is a giant "Unalive White People" message.
I hope the EN market does well with this, nobody should go through what you guys are, if there is one thing that the PT-BR fans are proud of, is our subs and dubs, always great, and I heard the Hispanic America have it great too, so let's hope the EN fans can have it too.
When the tech gets good enough, there's no reason to use humans for translation. There's no creative process going on. Author has certain vision and expresses it. Audience wants the same thing, just legible/audible in their language. With AI being good enough, you could record 1 voice performance and get 15 languages (and same voice! so Kiryu in Yakuza is always the same awesome Japanese voice actor, not some California fart in English version). Obviously there will always be some tiny edge cases where for AAA perfect performance you will need a language expert assisting with some rare very tricky bit where languages diverge so much it can't be easily swapped out... but still assisting the original director and/or assisting the translator AI.
Ok so this may be a stupid question but I just wanna clarify: when using ai, are we only talking about the translation not the dubbing? Cause I’m the actual dubbing front is much prefer actual actor before any kind of ai.
I will take somewhat janky but high budget machine translation (which will be quality review edited) over blatantly misrepresenting the original content for western agendas ANY day.
While it is a win, I worry in another section, blackstone aqcuired something along the lines of e-manga.
This is the only way to save translations so be it.
The translators were never the problem, it was the localizers, who receive the translated text from the translators before they start ruining it.
I wanna see an anime on call of duty’s zombies (aether story)
A scene where Richthofen lets Dempsey die