One time I had a HOG start yelling at me in VC while I was playing Mercy. Our other support was Ana. He deadass said to me, “sO yOu’Re jUsT nOt GoNnA hEaL tHe TaNk??!!!!” While he was LITERALLY ANTI’D IN THEIR SPAWN!!!! Like no bitch, I’m not gonna die in there with you. Some people are so fucking dense.
I had a tank one time scream into his mic because I used the blue beam on him for like 3 seconds and he was at full health. Some tank players are just clueless.
Its me, the one who submitted the replay. That play on the bridge where I bashed off was a missclick, didn't mean to bash. The point in the game where our tank was complaining about heals was right after he played Sigma, walked forward on round 2 at their spawn, then died to McChicken ultimate (although he mentioned the entire game). Also, I saw in chat someone asked about sym turret and ball mines procing inspire, I know the mines do, but I don't think the turrets do (same for torb turret).
Personally other than what he said about your brig ult I'd love to encounter supports like you in overwatch, most like to run in and die before the DPS do. ALWAYS respect the supports that keep you alive or try their best it's not always their fault most have been getting Nerfed lately
im masters dps and it honestly looks to me like you could easily hold up in plat at least. Though tbf most people in lower ranks are less consistent with their high level play so maybe part of the reason your not ranking up isnt purely due to the ridiculous rng queues, but also because not ALL of your games are like this one.
@@yargentumargentum6899 I definitely have games where I'm underperforming, but more than 50% of my games I play like this. Most of my sup losses are because its hard to carry on sup so even if I enable my team, if my team doesn't perform, I lose. I think if I can slowly work my way out of gold and into plat I'll have a much more fun time since I'd be getting silvers at the lowest but golds being lowest usually simply due to matchmaking
This was a pretty good game. Had some brain farts (but who doesn’t from time to time) with positioning but knew when to disengage and position well too. Could hang in Plat and maybe low diamond
8:30 I’m just saying, it could be just the bug acting up. The Swift Step bug acts differently between a live game and replay. I had a few games where I’m spamming the ability and it’s just her doing the “clapping” animation until it actually works. While viewing it in the replay just has her staring at her teammates awkwardly. Now I can’t confirm whether or not the Kiriko tried to Swift Step, but I thought I would give you a heads up, because the bug is still present and it’s very irritating Edit: I do agree this Kiriko hardly used Swift Step and really should use it more often. It was just that moment that made me think for a second. Mostly because I’ve been playing Kiriko since the launch of OW2, and she’s currently in my top 5 most played. So I’ve experienced some buggy moments with her
I think the kiriko just didn't use it. There were several instances where she almost died that personally I would have used it or when she was trying to heal the Ram but Mei walled her off
This has happened to me before. Where I try to Swift Step, see the clap animation of Swift Step, see the little particles that puff up when you use Swift Step, but end up dying only to see in the kill cam that Swift Step didn't even activate (no animation no nothing, just me dying like an idiot according to the game).
currently I am seeing more often that I tp too short or even backwards, idk whats up with that. so kiriko not just claps but I am actually landing somewhere but not where I wanted
I feel like "tank blames support for not healing" is often just "tank admits to having shitty awareness and is completely unaware that their team is getting flanked behind them". Support couldn't heal because there was an Echo/Reaper/Sombra/etc keeping them busy while the tank is just going "I'M HOLDING THE MAIN DOORWAY 1v5, WHERE'S MY TEAM" and "tank diff but trash team" because they hard-focused dueling the enemy tank instead of, y'know, being a tank edit: not to say that was what this tank was doing here, though definitely one or two spots where the Kiriko/Brig had to turn and deal with a flanker (especially on Brig who can peel so well herself) and the tank was completely focused on what was in front of them. And I kinda suspect if they were complaining in chat, it was because of those moments where they noticed they were briefly not being hard-pocketed.
As a plat level tank main, please explain something to me. So if my DPS is kinda shitty and can't help themselves, I get blamed for not checking flank and backing off. Okie dokie then. Then, when I need to babysit their asses, they blame for NOT MAKING SPACE. So how will I go about it? Only way I see that works is super risky aggro with tank but once that works, I jus get gunned down. While the DPS isn't a threat to the enemy and gets mostly ignored in favour of targeting me.
@@zafraz1077 I'm not any higher in rank to give proper advice, but IMO no matter what I don't think you can please everyone, teammates are going to make mistakes and blame you regardless until you're _hopefully_ at an elo where they can understand the macro a bit better (but let's not kid ourselves, people will be toxic and blame others anyway). You're already up in plat, so hopefully you're decently good at threat assessment? Gauging what's more of a threat to your team, that flanker or the rest in front of you, and acting accordingly. Will you turning around deal with the problem quickly enough and make it a 5v4, will the enemy tank just walk in and make it a worse problem if you're not holding them off, etc. Either way, teammates will find ways to blame anyone but themselves for their mistakes, just gotta also make sure you're not doing the same thing yourself and make sure you're confident enough in your own decisions to know what they're blaming on you isn't your fault.
Half my rank is just standing still spamming INEEDHEALING without a clue that the whole team is dead and\or they're out of LOS. Like, you're standing still how hard is it to turn the brain on and process what you're looking at? Literal animals on nothing but instinct to chase the red rag. Oh and spamming while being anti'd. Love that, love babies with 3h game time being put in the same match with ppl who played since 2017
@@Lilian040210favorite had to be a tracer/genji who has the ability to get to their own health pack, and is miles away in safety spamming “need healing”
Tanks like that would bum rush when their team is 50 yards away, but when they are right up against the enemy frontline they sometimes freeze up. Then the DPS flank and gun him down. And then wonder why his supports and DPS didn't help out.
This is the best gold support I've ever seen. Would be thrilled to have this person on support in diamond. Great reactions and great positioning, overall. That tank is ridiculous for blaming support ON A WIN. lol, absolutely insane.
Thanks man I really appreciate the compliment. As I said in my description, I'm still new and started overwatch in OW2 end of season 3, and placed Gold 4 support (gold 5 dps and silver 2 tank) but I feel like I could climb, its just sometimes I get dps that are silver or bronze and as support I can't seem to be able to hard carry my team like I've seen dps or tanks do. Would you have any tips for how to climb on support since you're in diamond?
@@thewalnutbuckethonestly the only way to really ensure it is to either communicate with your team with voice chat, or find at least one friend to play with that's dps or tank
@@thewalnutbucketcooldown usage,ult tracking,aim custom games for mechanical skill also stop playing characters like Brig and play more Ana,Moira depending on the heals situation Zen to bully the enemy team. GL A Diamond
I think the issue is sometimes in OW there is no blame to place You simply just lost, it doesn’t have to be a throw or a singular diff sometimes you just didnt glue as a team, you didn’t play hard enough or it was just forced errors. Not every loss is one guys fault in particular.
I am still in shock...who flames teammates on wins??? As an also gold support, I've been trying to work on lowering my deaths and there's such a big difference when I die a lot and when I die sometimes...the support synergy was also good so like...I'm baffled
Probably just tilted but it's still inexcusable. I've definitely flamed teammates after a win if they're sandbagging and forcing the other four of us to have to play amazingly to keep the game the close. It'll be a bad DPS player with negative E/D ratio and less damage than one of the supports that spent the whole game flanking and dying. It's frustrating winning a 4v5 and for the shitter on your team to get rewarded equally as you do lol. Granted, this rarely happens but it sticks out to me when it does.
One time I was blamed by a Roadhog (who refused to use his self healing ability) for me only having 3 elms and 14 deaths as MERCY! I had +21k healing and we won! But he didn’t stop talking shit because the other teams moira and zen rolled his ass and they had more elms than their dps. Their reaper kept flanking me while I was literally babysitting the tank the whole game and I’m the one who got flamed
@@pspspspspspspspspspspspspspsstbh, i think the only mistake was that as mercy you shouldnot have that many deaths. Try to get it under 10, bc over 10 indicates poor positioning and decision making (not all the time and obv having a good team that knows how to space and control the space is easier on mercy movement). Youll find yourself more impactful and more aware of your surroundings (team+enemy position) when trying to position yourself right,giving yourself more impact. That being said, hog should be the last person a mercy pockets so that is just insane to me lmao
@@kahssie their Sombra had about 16 kills and I swear that 14 of them were her flanking, hacking and then her and the reaper killing me while nobody on my team even tried to deal with her, the 3 elms i had were me solo killing her because I got really fed up with my team not helping, and those were the times were the Roadhog would die and keeps flaming me on the ENTIRE GAME CHAT not even on the team chat. But I will take your advice nonetheless, I also need to learn how to deal with sombra more man
@@pspspspspspspspspspspspspspss support in general is just about staying alive in the face of certain death, or just doing enough before you die that your team can clean house. That situation sounds SUPER frustrating though, especially when you don't get any help. I would recommend watching Skiesti videos, she does a lot of educational stuff with how Mercy works and watching her has helped me survive a little longer. KarQ also does phenomenal educational roasts if you play other supports, but a lot of his stuff can be applied across the board
I find this ridiculous because on valoran for example the heal ultimate and hp from your teammates can be see on the top but for some reason blizzard Has this feature but only for replays?
As a tank player since Overwatch 1, Flats has taught me to not roast any of my teammates and to take responsibility for my poor gaming. Since then, I have become much better tank player and climbing out of Bronze. Now I am Gold but I still have work to do to be a master. There's quick play and UA-cam to help with learning how to play better, thank goodness.
I got advice from some random YT back in OW1 also that you should take responsibility for how you play instead of always blaming your team. I was hard stuck in plat at that time. I made it all the way to GM solo, and that was tough because Diamond was hell on earth. I learned not to que with a big group of people. Because that is like a death sentence. Too many people are one tricks that are stuck in a lower rank because they can't learn to adapt to an enemy team. I know in OW1, even with a loss if YOU played well enough, you wouldn't lose a ton of points.
Could be tripping but the enemy supp "LazyTurtle" kept copying the person we're spectating, switching from Zen to Kiri in the beginning and to brig in the end
Honestly I think the hardest part of support is that dps and tank don’t fully understand that supports role isn’t to heal 24/7 if you can’t do damage in a fight most of the time you aren’t getting actual value
My opinion is in the beginning the Kiriko didn’t actually throw the suzu with the intention of cleansing the discord but instead give the tank a few seconds of invincibility because they were getting low (and the kiriko wasn’t doing a steady supply of healing with the wall jump)
Anytime I hear someone complain about not getting any healing, im going to assume theyre playing too far out or getting aggresive with no supports around. I think the support did a great job besides the few mistakes that they made. I can't complain if its a win.
This was a pretty good game. Had some brain farts (but who doesn’t from time to time) with positioning but knew when to disengage and position well too. Could hang in Plat and maybe low diamond
13:38 the ball literally boops him backwards so he can SEE the doorway to his left, but with a full health Cass he walks forward into him to die to him 😂
I am honestly impressed like.. that's only Gold??? No wonder I am so bad at this game, this Kiriko/Brigitte was succeeding at so many things where I fail so hard, I honestly see nearly no issues with this replay, except for the one or two Brigitte ultimates that failed and when she didn't try to swift step (not sure if it was a bug or not). Like I have way worse positioning and make way too many mistakes, this was super good gameplay to watch imo
From what I'm seeing, the biggest issue is the tank is playing out in the open and minimally if ever using natural cover. They played two tanks who are more poke tanks with really good ranged attacks as though they were brawler tanks, and likely expected one or both supports to just keep them up all the time. The tank also did the one thing that really ticks me off when defending on maps like Eichenwalde: they pushed up well beyond the choke points of the map when they absolutely didn't need to. I cannot tell you how many times people going outside of huge choke points on maps has cost the team really good holds and thus entire points. But seriously, the tank needs to learn how to properly play poke tanks and use the range of their attacks to keep folks at bay and whittle down the enemy team's resources to strike at the right moments. I've reached a point where if a tank was saying they weren't getting heals I'll call out when they were either LoS-ing me or when I was giving them heals and they died anyway.
Pushing up to spawn when you’re holding well is like a reverse C9. It’s so annoying and then Lucio sombra and ball are suddenly capping while your tank is 1v1 with Ana, hanzo, cass, or moira.
In my games, NO HEALING people are the same that somehow are always out of los and in the enemy lines alone against a bastion and junkrat as rein Or they go in before the supports get out of spawn and just blame them when they die 1v5
I had a match the other day where someone on my team was complaining about us supports not healing (in qp, mind you). Both of us had higher healing stats than the other supports, and I was on brig, so I heal by doing damage (which I said). Luckily they shut up after I said those two things. It's not our fault that one of our dps tries to 1v5 the other team.
I had this happen where I had my hands full healing the DPS who just loved to stick out their heads, and then the tank complained about not getting heals while playing ROADHOG.
as a hardstuck gold support, i feel this. i get blamed for not healing ALL the time. i had 25k healing on moira (no, i wasn't "tiktok moiraing") and got blamed so hard despite having the most heals in the entire game. i do not think i deserve gold AT ALL because I've peaked plat 4 and then immediately dropped (i had a bastion get out dps'd by a mercy.)
Last bit reminded me of a bastion i fought in one of the capture maps (i think it was the lijiang tower one with a shop rigjt outside both spawns but dont remember the name tbh). Bastion ults,i go over and bajablast him in my ult. I meet him face to face and start gunning. End of the game killed him 4/5 times as mercy and it was hilarious
BRO FR!!!!!!!! rn I'm in Plat 4 for the 4th time & I'm confident i'll get out bc I changed 2 things 1 I actually talk in vc now even if im the only 1 talking but im calling out ults (ult tracking) ability tracking & general callouts "u have no supports" "flanker here" "you're LOSing me" etc & 2 I changed my recoil setting for Bap my main
@@Alex_Aramayo ive managed to climb almost to diamond just to derank immediately, it sucks bro. I LITERALLY WENT 5 - 2 AND DERANKED TO PLAT 2, it sucks sm
I legit just did the same shit at the same spot where she fell off the map 💀💀💀 I swear when ur falling it hits different the mind just kinda goes “ah fuck I can’t believe you’ve done this”
As a ow1 tank main who picked up support in season three of ow2, I can tell you that gold is the worst of the metal ranks for this role. I was there for a while, slowly but consistently climbing after zooming out of bronze and silver as a Kiriko otp. One match after I'd been in gold 2 for a while, I was told by my tank and dps, who were stacked and on the same page of awful decision making, essentially that I was one of the stupidest people on the planet and didn't deserve to play the game. That same gaming session, I hit plat 5 and then hit it again on an alt. Plat 5 to 1 was so unbelievably fast, as I can rely on a larger percentage of my team (especially plat 3 and above). Don't worry. Metal ranks are very rough out there for supports right now, and for some reason I know people who are newer to the game and don't even know how to nano a genji blade comfortably, that have zoomed to diamond with a 2.5k healing average per game while duoing with me, while my grind is still easy but slow af. You all will climb out of gold and get in the rhythm of the ladder in time, just keep at it. Gold to Plat is doable, but just not as fun on support. I believe in you all!
8:20 It's the "Oh, shit" moment, technically you have time to react but choose not to press anything. You're so shock at what you just did and the brain stop processing completely.
7:35 I've had those moments as well lol. Anyone know why this happens? It's like Kiriko slips and falls even though you didn't let go of your climb button.
tanks like this is the reason i turned off chat, it’s distracting to see someone saying you’re doing bad when you know you’re doing your job and your best. i play mercy so it’s honestly not my job to support the tank, ofc help the tank when needed but mercy’s job is to support the dps mostly and peel for your other support and tank when necessary. as long as your doing your best and having fun that’s all that matters. ignore butt hurt people who blame everybody but refuse to evaluate their own gameplay and their mistakes.
Not gonna lie I notice most of the games I have lost in competitive have always about 90% of the time have been when enemy team has a healer/support on the tank. I play zarya and bruh it can be frustrating. Also notice too when the tank OR support falls the team falls unless you got some bad ass teammates or enemy’s lol. Feel like one healer should be on the tank while other helps dps players, to kinda back up what I’m saying, when I play mercy or brig I be with my homie who plays Orisa and we win majority of the time
I've found that if the tank dies and they aren't just a chill have fun player, they will always blame support, even if both supports were going all out on them. I had one call me out like that in voice chat to another player, when both me and the other support were pumping into him as fast as we could. I called him out for calling us out in voice chat, and his tune changed immediately.
Gold tanks think two things. 1. That if a support has damage number that number could 100% have been healing numbers instead. 2. That they should be able to stand out in the open indefinitely being shot by 5 enemies and as long as the healers are good they should never die.
8:20 i think she did try to right when she was on the wall, sometimes it doesnt even try to do the animation where she claps. she clearly looked at that teammate and i think thats what happened there
i really like to play agressive as orisa but i understand when i die because the supports are far back. i also make sure to protect them and stay close to them. i think the main problem with this tank is that they dont fall back when they need to and dont see if their supports / team is down.
Ask people, if you want of course, to include game report screenshots with their gameplay, that way you'll actually get a better understanding on how the damage/healing was actually dispersed/mitigated/used. It's not like it would hurt anything to have that info! That's just my opinion.
@@natsuccubus You're right that they "can" be arbitrary; though, it's not about having higher healing numbers... - having the numbers to any person that can actually read them while a game is going does in fact tell you that there was nothing else you could do (and I'm sure anybody VoD reviewing can also see and determine sniper one shots = less healing numbers at times lol). We don't need to see them as the audience; but, I would assume it would actually work out better for these streamers that do VoD reviews in shaping their reasons/insight to another player.
I mean if sup doesn't prioritise the tank then it's GG. Counter picks are more important than optimal performance. As long as you are providing utility you should come out on top. People in low ELO don't seem to get this.
the kiri wasnt looking at anyone on her team so it didn't tp, the soldier was literally right infront but they just didnt look at him and accepted their fate
This happens in my gold comp games the tank will push into the enemy back lines when the supports are Zen and Moriarty etc and can't heal long range or dive
im learning lifeweaver and so far all ive learned is that some games i just need to reserve my life grip for one person whos constantly feeding (often a tank at 1 bar of health)
Some people legit just blame anything they can both comp and quick play. Had a game where one complained about me and other support in shout chat, even after victory and high heal numbers, and people on both teams called him out how he was underperforming as a tank. Some just believe a support should always be a mercy beam surgically attached to them
I'd pray for my supports to play like this whenever I'm DPS or tank! Aside from maybe 2 instances, everything else has been absolutely fine, and I'd love to have them supporting me!
I dont trust my blind ass teammates in gold. I had a game where I had 36k healing (no, that's not a typo) and I was accused of throwing the game. Fucking metal ranks are wild.
idk the circumstances of the game but 36k healing doesnt necessarily mean you were playing good its like when DPS players say wasnt my fault i have 40k damage but they only have 3 elims because they only shoot the tank, that being said if you werent just lucio healbotting for 36k and you played like ana/bap/kiri etc then maybe on your team for taking that much damage, ive also had supports that dont use their kits proactively and that ends up effecting the game btw im a support main
I found that in metal ranks, high impact damage is way mire effective than healing. Had a losing capture the point round, because our monkey for the life of him could not kill a widow and didnt back out for us to help him when he was low. Had enough of that widow going scott free, did my switch from mercy to ana, and just slapped that widow silly by playing close range and bullying her and their ana. That purple, sleeping and damage gave my tank freedom to kill and actually not be the target of death for once. Sometimes, you cant out heal your teams stupidity but you surely can out punish the enemy's
If i see someone complaining about heals and it's a Rammatra, more often than not, it's the Rammatra's fault cause they have this tendancy to push to the next dimension almost always, dies and blames it on the supports. I legit see this atleast once a day.
As a Brig main, I really like the way this person plays Brig. I'm sure they gonna climb. I know this moment right here 13:10 would piss me off for sure lol The challenge is to take a deep breath and keep going. And if after a match like this I'm still feeling tilted, I just take a break. I only play comp if I'm ready to face this situations and have a clear mind to try to find a solution to work around, a lot of times the way you choose to adapt it's what makes you win the game and carry. After that, I would just avoid this tank and hope to never see them again lol
i will say in my experience in low elo, there are a few entitled tanks. what i mean by that is there is an insufferable population of tanks that never notice their mistakes- overextending, abandoning the team to get kills and expecting supports to just drop everything and be there with them within milliseconds, not making good choices in general and blaming the supports for "no heals". there have been times i have hard diff'd enemy supports and the tank will still blame me and the other support for their poor decisions. one thing i will say though as a Kiriko main, every Kiriko main needs to get into the habit of this very basic move set: heal, kunai, kunai, repeat. the reason for that being is if youre good with your aim or just lucky you can kill most heroes with 2 headshots and the pause between heal bursts is around the same timing as it is to send out 2 kunais.
I got flamed by a tank in a gold game for not healing enough as Ana, because he was a diamond Ana main. This dude stood out in the open all game, even when discorded, played Zarya all game (into widow + pharah) and didn't make any effort to help me when widow + pharah chased me all game long. I assume the tanks in his Diamond games actually know how to play the game and enqble him, but he is so delusional that he thinks he's 1v5ing every game he plays.
Better support play than I get half the time. Usually they are too busy hiding to do anything useful. A brig that is a little heavy on the W key is better than the brig that hides all game doing nothing.
I'd bet this tank is in too high rank to be honest. The combination of him not using natural cover and him not retreating when there's an ult going off I would bet he's boosted by the rest of his team.
Lots of tanks get carried by aggro at low ranks. I have seen so many tanks overextend, and teams just all run away in different directions. KITE THEM AND PUNISH AGGRESSION! lol
i just a junkrat that yelled HEAL in VC while i threw every heal i had at him.. eve healbotting him. he still died and complained he didnt get any heals xD
Thats quite good kiri play for gold... pretty aware of her teammates, not a heal bot. N mostly good cleanse timing. Could be better with swift step n more aggressive positioning on att. Teammates might blame supps bc they dont have as much healing as enemy. But could be bc they arent pressuring or killing the enemy supps more.
I think it’s rare that I look at other supports game play, they have so much time to do something other than heal. When I play support I swear 3 teammates are always critical so I literally can’t bps.
I get accused of not doing my job from time to time and me being pwty decide to completely ignore the person who complained and purposefully not heal them - w-
I was in open queue playing Juno on a team with 2 tanks and 2 DPS. We won round 1 and I had smth like 8 kills, however many assists, and 9-10k heals. One of my DPSs has the nerve to ask me to play Mercy
Not only tanks who complain. Just had a DPS who was overextending all the time, not playing with the team and expected me on Bap to follow and heal him all the time. People usually also moan when I play Moira. I get 15k healing and 10k damage, we win the game and still people complain about not getting healed enough. Though, in that game, our Mercy did another 15k healing. IDK if they are only butthurt because I get more elims or damage. Just two recent experiences. But tbh: more often than not I get compliments and endorsements. Most people seem to realize when they have a decent support carrying them. Sometimes people just have a bad day and blame it on others. Support players are the easiest targets. Tanks are next. Very easy to write 'tank diff' as the role is so important.
I kinda see it as the Ramattra/Sigma being dumb and not even trying to help his team, who disengaged when it went downhill. I'm guessing that the tank was blaming the supports for not healing due to him constantly going in and trying to get eliminations while not realizing that his supports got eliminated themselves in some shape, way, or form, where he himself should've disengaged when he realized that he wasn't healed and either wait for the supports or try to find health packs.
I love this comment section for one for being supportive of the gold supporter😂. 2. Here’s my experience from just being a supporter. My main is Moira and I like to helpful to my team by dps, but still healing. Here’s the thing people hate when I dps as supporter because I’m not healing them lol. I’m healing everyone but healers can’t out heal the damage everyone taking lol. That where everyone don’t understand and all supporters have charge up just like reloading a weapon lol.
I’m a gold 1 healer and dps and can confirm gold tanks have bad positioning and just rush their spawns and die then blame everyone else even dps rush spawns then wonder why they die
I find myself back seat tanking Rams when I'm on support, I feel they don't look at their health when in nemesis, I know I tend to tunnel vision when doing it myself , just saying block in vc and telling them when they are good to go again can just keep them up longer or win the fight
I play support a bunch and I’m not kidding, I could have my best game and I would be blamed. I had a wholesome interaction with someone on the opposite team, who said our team was good. Then when I said thank you, the Ana on our team said it wasn’t for me. Like dude we were winning, I had saves in the double digits, over 10,000 heals, just because I don’t really battle mercy that much doesn’t mean I’m not doing something. And also WE WON. It’s not like we lost and someone wanted to blame someone else. There was no reason for this. And I was doing my job. They were just mean to be mean :(.
Sig messed up their defense. Against cass: rock immediately. Rock on CD? Then shield while waiting for rock. If not, grasp. Since shield gone, he should grasp first. Not rock. Totally could have saved himself. They lost that 1st defense cap bc of him
As a gold support, I can confirm there are tanks out there that will complain about no healing if you're not a Mercy yellow beaming their ass 24/7
Ye, I’m in plat and had a game where the tank started complaining to our mercy to ‘stop pocketing the dps’
One time I had a HOG start yelling at me in VC while I was playing Mercy. Our other support was Ana. He deadass said to me, “sO yOu’Re jUsT nOt GoNnA hEaL tHe TaNk??!!!!” While he was LITERALLY ANTI’D IN THEIR SPAWN!!!! Like no bitch, I’m not gonna die in there with you. Some people are so fucking dense.
That lack of healing sounds like a taking too much damage problem
I had a tank one time scream into his mic because I used the blue beam on him for like 3 seconds and he was at full health. Some tank players are just clueless.
@@lakkaiithe tank isn’t 100% in the wrong there.
Its me, the one who submitted the replay. That play on the bridge where I bashed off was a missclick, didn't mean to bash. The point in the game where our tank was complaining about heals was right after he played Sigma, walked forward on round 2 at their spawn, then died to McChicken ultimate (although he mentioned the entire game). Also, I saw in chat someone asked about sym turret and ball mines procing inspire, I know the mines do, but I don't think the turrets do (same for torb turret).
Personally other than what he said about your brig ult I'd love to encounter supports like you in overwatch, most like to run in and die before the DPS do. ALWAYS respect the supports that keep you alive or try their best it's not always their fault most have been getting Nerfed lately
Wait, it's the support's fault they walked into a McCassidy ult? Definitely gold.
im masters dps and it honestly looks to me like you could easily hold up in plat at least. Though tbf most people in lower ranks are less consistent with their high level play so maybe part of the reason your not ranking up isnt purely due to the ridiculous rng queues, but also because not ALL of your games are like this one.
@@yargentumargentum6899 I definitely have games where I'm underperforming, but more than 50% of my games I play like this. Most of my sup losses are because its hard to carry on sup so even if I enable my team, if my team doesn't perform, I lose. I think if I can slowly work my way out of gold and into plat I'll have a much more fun time since I'd be getting silvers at the lowest but golds being lowest usually simply due to matchmaking
This was a pretty good game. Had some brain farts (but who doesn’t from time to time) with positioning but knew when to disengage and position well too. Could hang in Plat and maybe low diamond
8:30 I’m just saying, it could be just the bug acting up. The Swift Step bug acts differently between a live game and replay. I had a few games where I’m spamming the ability and it’s just her doing the “clapping” animation until it actually works. While viewing it in the replay just has her staring at her teammates awkwardly.
Now I can’t confirm whether or not the Kiriko tried to Swift Step, but I thought I would give you a heads up, because the bug is still present and it’s very irritating
Edit: I do agree this Kiriko hardly used Swift Step and really should use it more often. It was just that moment that made me think for a second. Mostly because I’ve been playing Kiriko since the launch of OW2, and she’s currently in my top 5 most played. So I’ve experienced some buggy moments with her
I think the kiriko just didn't use it. There were several instances where she almost died that personally I would have used it or when she was trying to heal the Ram but Mei walled her off
This has happened to me before. Where I try to Swift Step, see the clap animation of Swift Step, see the little particles that puff up when you use Swift Step, but end up dying only to see in the kill cam that Swift Step didn't even activate (no animation no nothing, just me dying like an idiot according to the game).
currently I am seeing more often that I tp too short or even backwards, idk whats up with that. so kiriko not just claps but I am actually landing somewhere but not where I wanted
She wasn’t looking towards a teammate close enough to be able to even use swift step, it’s on her
earlier i swift stepped to my zen who was with the rest of my team and it tped me back to spawn i was so annoyed because it even used my cooldown
3:58 the sojourn was waiting to get healed for so long just to step in a trap immediately after healing
I feel like "tank blames support for not healing" is often just "tank admits to having shitty awareness and is completely unaware that their team is getting flanked behind them". Support couldn't heal because there was an Echo/Reaper/Sombra/etc keeping them busy while the tank is just going "I'M HOLDING THE MAIN DOORWAY 1v5, WHERE'S MY TEAM" and "tank diff but trash team" because they hard-focused dueling the enemy tank instead of, y'know, being a tank
edit: not to say that was what this tank was doing here, though definitely one or two spots where the Kiriko/Brig had to turn and deal with a flanker (especially on Brig who can peel so well herself) and the tank was completely focused on what was in front of them. And I kinda suspect if they were complaining in chat, it was because of those moments where they noticed they were briefly not being hard-pocketed.
As a plat level tank main, please explain something to me. So if my DPS is kinda shitty and can't help themselves, I get blamed for not checking flank and backing off. Okie dokie then. Then, when I need to babysit their asses, they blame for NOT MAKING SPACE. So how will I go about it? Only way I see that works is super risky aggro with tank but once that works, I jus get gunned down. While the DPS isn't a threat to the enemy and gets mostly ignored in favour of targeting me.
@@zafraz1077 I'm not any higher in rank to give proper advice, but IMO no matter what I don't think you can please everyone, teammates are going to make mistakes and blame you regardless until you're _hopefully_ at an elo where they can understand the macro a bit better (but let's not kid ourselves, people will be toxic and blame others anyway).
You're already up in plat, so hopefully you're decently good at threat assessment? Gauging what's more of a threat to your team, that flanker or the rest in front of you, and acting accordingly. Will you turning around deal with the problem quickly enough and make it a 5v4, will the enemy tank just walk in and make it a worse problem if you're not holding them off, etc.
Either way, teammates will find ways to blame anyone but themselves for their mistakes, just gotta also make sure you're not doing the same thing yourself and make sure you're confident enough in your own decisions to know what they're blaming on you isn't your fault.
Half my rank is just standing still spamming INEEDHEALING without a clue that the whole team is dead and\or they're out of LOS. Like, you're standing still how hard is it to turn the brain on and process what you're looking at? Literal animals on nothing but instinct to chase the red rag.
Oh and spamming while being anti'd. Love that, love babies with 3h game time being put in the same match with ppl who played since 2017
@@Lilian040210favorite had to be a tracer/genji who has the ability to get to their own health pack, and is miles away in safety spamming “need healing”
Tanks like that would bum rush when their team is 50 yards away, but when they are right up against the enemy frontline they sometimes freeze up. Then the DPS flank and gun him down. And then wonder why his supports and DPS didn't help out.
This is the best gold support I've ever seen. Would be thrilled to have this person on support in diamond. Great reactions and great positioning, overall. That tank is ridiculous for blaming support ON A WIN. lol, absolutely insane.
Thanks man I really appreciate the compliment. As I said in my description, I'm still new and started overwatch in OW2 end of season 3, and placed Gold 4 support (gold 5 dps and silver 2 tank) but I feel like I could climb, its just sometimes I get dps that are silver or bronze and as support I can't seem to be able to hard carry my team like I've seen dps or tanks do. Would you have any tips for how to climb on support since you're in diamond?
@@thewalnutbuckethonestly the only way to really ensure it is to either communicate with your team with voice chat, or find at least one friend to play with that's dps or tank
@@adriantabron3428 I just don't have any friends that are plat+ on dps or tank. The only plat friend I have is on support
@@thewalnutbucketcooldown usage,ult tracking,aim custom games for mechanical skill also stop playing characters like Brig and play more Ana,Moira depending on the heals situation Zen to bully the enemy team. GL A Diamond
@@thewalnutbucketyou got some Instincts and knowledge to have just started 3 months ago. Really good stuff.
I think the issue is sometimes in OW there is no blame to place
You simply just lost, it doesn’t have to be a throw or a singular diff sometimes you just didnt glue as a team, you didn’t play hard enough or it was just forced errors.
Not every loss is one guys fault in particular.
such a good take, i wish everyone felt this way. Sometimes the enemies are just better
or the other team was just better
spitting facts
THIS!! Lost a game where me and the other supports (enemy included) had 10k healing each and yet my tank said “supp diff”
@@evl952 10K healing can either be a lot or a little. Context matters.
Seriously, what did the tank expect to happen? Never die at all?
From where his positioned? I dunno man.... hard to tell 😂
Honestly, if I'm playing Tank, I want this Kiriko as Mt healer. They did amazing...
I am still in shock...who flames teammates on wins??? As an also gold support, I've been trying to work on lowering my deaths and there's such a big difference when I die a lot and when I die sometimes...the support synergy was also good so like...I'm baffled
Probably just tilted but it's still inexcusable. I've definitely flamed teammates after a win if they're sandbagging and forcing the other four of us to have to play amazingly to keep the game the close. It'll be a bad DPS player with negative E/D ratio and less damage than one of the supports that spent the whole game flanking and dying. It's frustrating winning a 4v5 and for the shitter on your team to get rewarded equally as you do lol. Granted, this rarely happens but it sticks out to me when it does.
One time I was blamed by a Roadhog (who refused to use his self healing ability) for me only having 3 elms and 14 deaths as MERCY! I had +21k healing and we won! But he didn’t stop talking shit because the other teams moira and zen rolled his ass and they had more elms than their dps. Their reaper kept flanking me while I was literally babysitting the tank the whole game and I’m the one who got flamed
@@pspspspspspspspspspspspspspsstbh, i think the only mistake was that as mercy you shouldnot have that many deaths. Try to get it under 10, bc over 10 indicates poor positioning and decision making (not all the time and obv having a good team that knows how to space and control the space is easier on mercy movement). Youll find yourself more impactful and more aware of your surroundings (team+enemy position) when trying to position yourself right,giving yourself more impact. That being said, hog should be the last person a mercy pockets so that is just insane to me lmao
@@kahssie their Sombra had about 16 kills and I swear that 14 of them were her flanking, hacking and then her and the reaper killing me while nobody on my team even tried to deal with her, the 3 elms i had were me solo killing her because I got really fed up with my team not helping, and those were the times were the Roadhog would die and keeps flaming me on the ENTIRE GAME CHAT not even on the team chat. But I will take your advice nonetheless, I also need to learn how to deal with sombra more man
@@pspspspspspspspspspspspspspss support in general is just about staying alive in the face of certain death, or just doing enough before you die that your team can clean house. That situation sounds SUPER frustrating though, especially when you don't get any help. I would recommend watching Skiesti videos, she does a lot of educational stuff with how Mercy works and watching her has helped me survive a little longer. KarQ also does phenomenal educational roasts if you play other supports, but a lot of his stuff can be applied across the board
Blizzard should add the teammates icons like in the replays because is extremely common for tanks and dps to not notice when your supports are dead
I find this ridiculous because on valoran for example the heal ultimate and hp from your teammates can be see on the top but for some reason blizzard Has this feature but only for replays?
That's just a lack of awareness. The kill feed is right there too
@@pixelette98 tell that to mi tank bro that charges 1v5 whit no support
@@kliveranwell he's bronze then so who cares
@@billymays9296 it becomes mi problem when they start saying "diff sup when they just ignore the tracer annoying mi ass until i die
As a tank player since Overwatch 1, Flats has taught me to not roast any of my teammates and to take responsibility for my poor gaming. Since then, I have become much better tank player and climbing out of Bronze. Now I am Gold but I still have work to do to be a master. There's quick play and UA-cam to help with learning how to play better, thank goodness.
I got advice from some random YT back in OW1 also that you should take responsibility for how you play instead of always blaming your team. I was hard stuck in plat at that time. I made it all the way to GM solo, and that was tough because Diamond was hell on earth. I learned not to que with a big group of people. Because that is like a death sentence. Too many people are one tricks that are stuck in a lower rank because they can't learn to adapt to an enemy team.
I know in OW1, even with a loss if YOU played well enough, you wouldn't lose a ton of points.
Could be tripping but the enemy supp "LazyTurtle" kept copying the person we're spectating, switching from Zen to Kiri in the beginning and to brig in the end
*gets headshot once
"I must reclaim my honor"
I hate when people do that😂.
Honestly I think the hardest part of support is that dps and tank don’t fully understand that supports role isn’t to heal 24/7 if you can’t do damage in a fight most of the time you aren’t getting actual value
My opinion is in the beginning the Kiriko didn’t actually throw the suzu with the intention of cleansing the discord but instead give the tank a few seconds of invincibility because they were getting low (and the kiriko wasn’t doing a steady supply of healing with the wall jump)
Anytime I hear someone complain about not getting any healing, im going to assume theyre playing too far out or getting aggresive with no supports around. I think the support did a great job besides the few mistakes that they made. I can't complain if its a win.
5:18 glad to see I am not the only mobile support who likes to face tank tires they just taste so good.
This was a pretty good game. Had some brain farts (but who doesn’t from time to time) with positioning but knew when to disengage and position well too. Could hang in Plat and maybe low diamond
Indeed, controling your farts is not easy. Very little warning either. XD
Tank plays out of position, it’s support’s fault…
Classic Tank fallacy
13:38 the ball literally boops him backwards so he can SEE the doorway to his left, but with a full health Cass he walks forward into him to die to him 😂
There is at least one support responsible for ram having a bad time, and it rhymes with Hen.
And its not on his team😂
I am honestly impressed like.. that's only Gold??? No wonder I am so bad at this game, this Kiriko/Brigitte was succeeding at so many things where I fail so hard, I honestly see nearly no issues with this replay, except for the one or two Brigitte ultimates that failed and when she didn't try to swift step (not sure if it was a bug or not). Like I have way worse positioning and make way too many mistakes, this was super good gameplay to watch imo
“Then we got MOIRA who will probably be DPSING” 💀 he ain’t wrong
Love this one! Awesome kiriko/brig play honestly
I remember seeing this on stream. As a support main, this is so relatable - regardless of rank tbh
This person deserves to rank up imo
there's an enticing call that permeates the soul when one brig ults. "be the tank" it says, and it is hard to refuse. lol
From what I'm seeing, the biggest issue is the tank is playing out in the open and minimally if ever using natural cover. They played two tanks who are more poke tanks with really good ranged attacks as though they were brawler tanks, and likely expected one or both supports to just keep them up all the time. The tank also did the one thing that really ticks me off when defending on maps like Eichenwalde: they pushed up well beyond the choke points of the map when they absolutely didn't need to. I cannot tell you how many times people going outside of huge choke points on maps has cost the team really good holds and thus entire points.
But seriously, the tank needs to learn how to properly play poke tanks and use the range of their attacks to keep folks at bay and whittle down the enemy team's resources to strike at the right moments. I've reached a point where if a tank was saying they weren't getting heals I'll call out when they were either LoS-ing me or when I was giving them heals and they died anyway.
Pushing up to spawn when you’re holding well is like a reverse C9. It’s so annoying and then Lucio sombra and ball are suddenly capping while your tank is 1v1 with Ana, hanzo, cass, or moira.
In my games, NO HEALING people are the same that somehow are always out of los and in the enemy lines alone against a bastion and junkrat as rein
Or they go in before the supports get out of spawn and just blame them when they die 1v5
18:04 the Cass was just trying to tell them what time it was
7:43 as a gm kiriko player i feel messing up ur wall climb and dying off the map on a spiritual level
I had a match the other day where someone on my team was complaining about us supports not healing (in qp, mind you). Both of us had higher healing stats than the other supports, and I was on brig, so I heal by doing damage (which I said). Luckily they shut up after I said those two things. It's not our fault that one of our dps tries to 1v5 the other team.
I had this happen where I had my hands full healing the DPS who just loved to stick out their heads, and then the tank complained about not getting heals while playing ROADHOG.
Swift step isn’t even 100% reliable. It can be very glitchy and unreliable depending where your team mates are located.
as a hardstuck gold support, i feel this. i get blamed for not healing ALL the time. i had 25k healing on moira (no, i wasn't "tiktok moiraing") and got blamed so hard despite having the most heals in the entire game. i do not think i deserve gold AT ALL because I've peaked plat 4 and then immediately dropped (i had a bastion get out dps'd by a mercy.)
Last bit reminded me of a bastion i fought in one of the capture maps (i think it was the lijiang tower one with a shop rigjt outside both spawns but dont remember the name tbh). Bastion ults,i go over and bajablast him in my ult. I meet him face to face and start gunning. End of the game killed him 4/5 times as mercy and it was hilarious
@@kahssie mine was on watchpoint gibraltar, bastion literally had high ground and everything
I’m plat support… both team’s supports healed around 30k and our dps typed on the chat I quote “0 heal” 😅 i’m done with this game! 😬
BRO FR!!!!!!!! rn I'm in Plat 4 for the 4th time & I'm confident i'll get out bc I changed 2 things 1 I actually talk in vc now even if im the only 1 talking but im calling out ults (ult tracking) ability tracking & general callouts "u have no supports" "flanker here" "you're LOSing me" etc & 2 I changed my recoil setting for Bap my main
@@Alex_Aramayo ive managed to climb almost to diamond just to derank immediately, it sucks bro. I LITERALLY WENT 5 - 2 AND DERANKED TO PLAT 2, it sucks sm
I legit just did the same shit at the same spot where she fell off the map 💀💀💀 I swear when ur falling it hits different the mind just kinda goes “ah fuck I can’t believe you’ve done this”
No literally, I just gave up even tho I had tp because I was internally screaming
I already feel targeted as a gold support main lol
Me LMFAOOO
Same lol. We've all been in this situation, getting blamed when we're doing as well as we reasonably can be, even if we won the damn game haha.
As a ow1 tank main who picked up support in season three of ow2, I can tell you that gold is the worst of the metal ranks for this role. I was there for a while, slowly but consistently climbing after zooming out of bronze and silver as a Kiriko otp.
One match after I'd been in gold 2 for a while, I was told by my tank and dps, who were stacked and on the same page of awful decision making, essentially that I was one of the stupidest people on the planet and didn't deserve to play the game. That same gaming session, I hit plat 5 and then hit it again on an alt. Plat 5 to 1 was so unbelievably fast, as I can rely on a larger percentage of my team (especially plat 3 and above).
Don't worry. Metal ranks are very rough out there for supports right now, and for some reason I know people who are newer to the game and don't even know how to nano a genji blade comfortably, that have zoomed to diamond with a 2.5k healing average per game while duoing with me, while my grind is still easy but slow af. You all will climb out of gold and get in the rhythm of the ladder in time, just keep at it. Gold to Plat is doable, but just not as fun on support. I believe in you all!
at 9:35, ramattra wasnt pushing in lol he was the only one on the payload during overtime. He had no choice but to be there.
8:20 It's the "Oh, shit" moment, technically you have time to react but choose not to press anything. You're so shock at what you just did and the brain stop processing completely.
7:35 I've had those moments as well lol. Anyone know why this happens? It's like Kiriko slips and falls even though you didn't let go of your climb button.
My guess?
The game’s detection for which is a wall and what is floor sucks
tanks like this is the reason i turned off chat, it’s distracting to see someone saying you’re doing bad when you know you’re doing your job and your best. i play mercy so it’s honestly not my job to support the tank, ofc help the tank when needed but mercy’s job is to support the dps mostly and peel for your other support and tank when necessary. as long as your doing your best and having fun that’s all that matters. ignore butt hurt people who blame everybody but refuse to evaluate their own gameplay and their mistakes.
Not gonna lie I notice most of the games I have lost in competitive have always about 90% of the time have been when enemy team has a healer/support on the tank. I play zarya and bruh it can be frustrating. Also notice too when the tank OR support falls the team falls unless you got some bad ass teammates or enemy’s lol. Feel like one healer should be on the tank while other helps dps players, to kinda back up what I’m saying, when I play mercy or brig I be with my homie who plays Orisa and we win majority of the time
The ram was too aggro and wanted a Mercy pocket.
I've found that if the tank dies and they aren't just a chill have fun player, they will always blame support, even if both supports were going all out on them. I had one call me out like that in voice chat to another player, when both me and the other support were pumping into him as fast as we could. I called him out for calling us out in voice chat, and his tune changed immediately.
7:34 is the most gold thing i have ever seen
Gold tanks think two things.
1. That if a support has damage number that number could 100% have been healing numbers instead.
2. That they should be able to stand out in the open indefinitely being shot by 5 enemies and as long as the healers are good they should never die.
Love the vids Emon, Keep it up!
When the Kiriko fell off the map I’m pretty sure they tried wall climbing and it didn’t work or they didn’t hold the button down.
8:20 i think she did try to right when she was on the wall, sometimes it doesnt even try to do the animation where she claps. she clearly looked at that teammate and i think thats what happened there
i really like to play agressive as orisa but i understand when i die because the supports are far back. i also make sure to protect them and stay close to them. i think the main problem with this tank is that they dont fall back when they need to and dont see if their supports / team is down.
Ask people, if you want of course, to include game report screenshots with their gameplay, that way you'll actually get a better understanding on how the damage/healing was actually dispersed/mitigated/used. It's not like it would hurt anything to have that info! That's just my opinion.
those numbers can be completely arbitrary. I can get outhealed simply bc the other team has a dps hitting headshots and insta killing
@@natsuccubus You're right that they "can" be arbitrary; though, it's not about having higher healing numbers... - having the numbers to any person that can actually read them while a game is going does in fact tell you that there was nothing else you could do (and I'm sure anybody VoD reviewing can also see and determine sniper one shots = less healing numbers at times lol).
We don't need to see them as the audience; but, I would assume it would actually work out better for these streamers that do VoD reviews in shaping their reasons/insight to another player.
I mean if sup doesn't prioritise the tank then it's GG. Counter picks are more important than optimal performance. As long as you are providing utility you should come out on top. People in low ELO don't seem to get this.
the kiri wasnt looking at anyone on her team so it didn't tp, the soldier was literally right infront but they just didnt look at him and accepted their fate
The tank had their head up between their own buttcrack and their finger glued to their W key.
This happens in my gold comp games the tank will push into the enemy back lines when the supports are Zen and Moriarty etc and can't heal long range or dive
im learning lifeweaver and so far all ive learned is that some games i just need to reserve my life grip for one person whos constantly feeding (often a tank at 1 bar of health)
Some people legit just blame anything they can both comp and quick play. Had a game where one complained about me and other support in shout chat, even after victory and high heal numbers, and people on both teams called him out how he was underperforming as a tank. Some just believe a support should always be a mercy beam surgically attached to them
I'd pray for my supports to play like this whenever I'm DPS or tank! Aside from maybe 2 instances, everything else has been absolutely fine, and I'd love to have them supporting me!
This is definitely a gold game of all time
I dont trust my blind ass teammates in gold. I had a game where I had 36k healing (no, that's not a typo) and I was accused of throwing the game. Fucking metal ranks are wild.
Happens in Diamond too, ppl are mad and wanna blame anyone but themselves
idk the circumstances of the game but 36k healing doesnt necessarily mean you were playing good its like when DPS players say wasnt my fault i have 40k damage but they only have 3 elims because they only shoot the tank, that being said if you werent just lucio healbotting for 36k and you played like ana/bap/kiri etc then maybe on your team for taking that much damage, ive also had supports that dont use their kits proactively and that ends up effecting the game btw im a support main
Same lol. The other day I did 31K as Mercy in short game (it ended up 3-1 or 3-2 I think) and some complained I didn't heal at all :')
I found that in metal ranks, high impact damage is way mire effective than healing. Had a losing capture the point round, because our monkey for the life of him could not kill a widow and didnt back out for us to help him when he was low. Had enough of that widow going scott free, did my switch from mercy to ana, and just slapped that widow silly by playing close range and bullying her and their ana. That purple, sleeping and damage gave my tank freedom to kill and actually not be the target of death for once. Sometimes, you cant out heal your teams stupidity but you surely can out punish the enemy's
If i see someone complaining about heals and it's a Rammatra, more often than not, it's the Rammatra's fault cause they have this tendancy to push to the next dimension almost always, dies and blames it on the supports. I legit see this atleast once a day.
As a Brig main, I really like the way this person plays Brig. I'm sure they gonna climb. I know this moment right here 13:10 would piss me off for sure lol The challenge is to take a deep breath and keep going. And if after a match like this I'm still feeling tilted, I just take a break. I only play comp if I'm ready to face this situations and have a clear mind to try to find a solution to work around, a lot of times the way you choose to adapt it's what makes you win the game and carry. After that, I would just avoid this tank and hope to never see them again lol
I love how oblivious emong is to how much gaslighting goes on in gold
i will say in my experience in low elo, there are a few entitled tanks. what i mean by that is there is an insufferable population of tanks that never notice their mistakes- overextending, abandoning the team to get kills and expecting supports to just drop everything and be there with them within milliseconds, not making good choices in general and blaming the supports for "no heals". there have been times i have hard diff'd enemy supports and the tank will still blame me and the other support for their poor decisions. one thing i will say though as a Kiriko main, every Kiriko main needs to get into the habit of this very basic move set: heal, kunai, kunai, repeat. the reason for that being is if youre good with your aim or just lucky you can kill most heroes with 2 headshots and the pause between heal bursts is around the same timing as it is to send out 2 kunais.
I’ll admit. I just picked up Kiriko and I didn’t know you could cleanse during a Dva bomb to live. 😮 sweet! 😂
If the tank can't help keep the supports alive, so they CAN heal players, they don't deserve any heals
I got flamed by a tank in a gold game for not healing enough as Ana, because he was a diamond Ana main. This dude stood out in the open all game, even when discorded, played Zarya all game (into widow + pharah) and didn't make any effort to help me when widow + pharah chased me all game long. I assume the tanks in his Diamond games actually know how to play the game and enqble him, but he is so delusional that he thinks he's 1v5ing every game he plays.
I actually thought that was the tank game I was in but I don’t think I would’ve blame the supports and more myself 😭
Better support play than I get half the time. Usually they are too busy hiding to do anything useful. A brig that is a little heavy on the W key is better than the brig that hides all game doing nothing.
I'd bet this tank is in too high rank to be honest. The combination of him not using natural cover and him not retreating when there's an ult going off I would bet he's boosted by the rest of his team.
Lots of tanks get carried by aggro at low ranks. I have seen so many tanks overextend, and teams just all run away in different directions.
KITE THEM AND PUNISH AGGRESSION! lol
As a life weaver main im excellent but i need a tank with a shield to go crazy with my thorn volley.
I've had other players blame me for not healing through literal headshots. No matter what happens they always blame supports it seems.
You can hear the Brig telling them to come back lol
Oh yeah there were multiple times I pressed "Group Up!" and "Fall Back!" lmao, mostly at beginning of round 2
This looks like my gold support games. Except the tank didn't LOS heals as much
i just a junkrat that yelled HEAL in VC while i threw every heal i had at him.. eve healbotting him. he still died and complained he didnt get any heals xD
Thats quite good kiri play for gold... pretty aware of her teammates, not a heal bot. N mostly good cleanse timing. Could be better with swift step n more aggressive positioning on att.
Teammates might blame supps bc they dont have as much healing as enemy. But could be bc they arent pressuring or killing the enemy supps more.
I think it’s rare that I look at other supports game play, they have so much time to do something other than heal. When I play support I swear 3 teammates are always critical so I literally can’t bps.
Her falling there pissed me off bc he had swift step
I get accused of not doing my job from time to time and me being pwty decide to completely ignore the person who complained and purposefully not heal them - w-
I was in open queue playing Juno on a team with 2 tanks and 2 DPS. We won round 1 and I had smth like 8 kills, however many assists, and 9-10k heals. One of my DPSs has the nerve to ask me to play Mercy
Not only tanks who complain.
Just had a DPS who was overextending all the time, not playing with the team and expected me on Bap to follow and heal him all the time.
People usually also moan when I play Moira. I get 15k healing and 10k damage, we win the game and still people complain about not getting healed enough. Though, in that game, our Mercy did another 15k healing. IDK if they are only butthurt because I get more elims or damage.
Just two recent experiences.
But tbh: more often than not I get compliments and endorsements. Most people seem to realize when they have a decent support carrying them.
Sometimes people just have a bad day and blame it on others. Support players are the easiest targets. Tanks are next. Very easy to write 'tank diff' as the role is so important.
The tank stayed on a shield hero against symmetra…
I kinda see it as the Ramattra/Sigma being dumb and not even trying to help his team, who disengaged when it went downhill. I'm guessing that the tank was blaming the supports for not healing due to him constantly going in and trying to get eliminations while not realizing that his supports got eliminated themselves in some shape, way, or form, where he himself should've disengaged when he realized that he wasn't healed and either wait for the supports or try to find health packs.
I love this comment section for one for being supportive of the gold supporter😂. 2. Here’s my experience from just being a supporter. My main is Moira and I like to helpful to my team by dps, but still healing. Here’s the thing people hate when I dps as supporter because I’m not healing them lol. I’m healing everyone but healers can’t out heal the damage everyone taking lol. That where everyone don’t understand and all supporters have charge up just like reloading a weapon lol.
Emongg would totally make a great OW coach
@3:14 Those arms - BILLION$ company with graphics my kids made on mario paint.
9:37 tank dies on point and triggers overtime. Somehow they win the fight and you skipped to inside the castle.
I can get you the replay code if you want it
the most wild thing about toxic overwatch teammates is that they will complain EVEN WHEN THEY WIN?!? i don't understand at all
One game as brig my tank wasnt their for 5 minutes at the start and I was just complaetely just tanking for that 5 minutes, we won after wards.
its the nature of humans to not find fault with themselves
13:40 u can hear sig ult but he doesnt lose it
As a Gold Support Main, I always recommend to my rank to take less damage when they ask for heals…they don’t like that suggestion.
I’m a gold 1 healer and dps and can confirm gold tanks have bad positioning and just rush their spawns and die then blame everyone else even dps rush spawns then wonder why they die
omg ive played with collegeboy before this is an out of body experience these are the people i play with in comp
Its because all Tank mains have "Flats Syndrome" and are convinced they can do no wrong
I find myself back seat tanking Rams when I'm on support, I feel they don't look at their health when in nemesis, I know I tend to tunnel vision when doing it myself , just saying block in vc and telling them when they are good to go again can just keep them up longer or win the fight
Show us Lucio pretty please
I play support a bunch and I’m not kidding, I could have my best game and I would be blamed. I had a wholesome interaction with someone on the opposite team, who said our team was good. Then when I said thank you, the Ana on our team said it wasn’t for me. Like dude we were winning, I had saves in the double digits, over 10,000 heals, just because I don’t really battle mercy that much doesn’t mean I’m not doing something.
And also WE WON. It’s not like we lost and someone wanted to blame someone else. There was no reason for this. And I was doing my job. They were just mean to be mean :(.
Sig messed up their defense. Against cass: rock immediately.
Rock on CD? Then shield while waiting for rock. If not, grasp.
Since shield gone, he should grasp first. Not rock. Totally could have saved himself. They lost that 1st defense cap bc of him
tank threw as sigma literally facedived that mccree ult
Good to know the idea of the tank blaming heals when shit goes wrong will always carry over from WoW