the first speaker was amazing. i realized that our own languages have better connection to our mind than the foreign ones. i might not have been able to understand what he spoke in tamil without subtitles but i do get to understand the bhava with which he was conveying the message. the pain, anguish n frustration he felt by the deed of that evil periyar n denigration of dharma in it's own land can be well understood. thanks for ur effort sir. kudos to rajiv sir for bringing such an interesting n enriching panel to the viewers . jai ho ! jai sanatan dharma
Thank you Infinity Foundation, thank you Sri M. Venkatesan, Sri Ananda Padmanabhan, Sri Jataayu, Sri A. V. Gopalakrishnana and Dr. Kanagaraj. The exposing of EVR, of all the print and visual media's roles in causing and maintaining the social divide is the need of the hour.
I am so happy to watch this. And am so grateful to those who put in the subtitles/closed captions. That way I was able to understand fully what was beinga=said in Tamil. I speak Hindi, Urdu & Punjabi, but can understand some Telugu, Tamil & Kannada, but not too good at that. The closed captions really helped big time.
My best wishes to all the panelist speakers. First time high quality talks in Tamizh. Sri Venkatesan Ji & Sri Ananda Ji for opening up new views about "so called" Dravidian culture. Exceptional presentation by Jataayu Ji & Sri AV GopalaKrishnan Ji.
Immediately, I posted the proceedings of the SIC-3 as follows: tamilheritage.wordpress.com/2017/12/25/swadhesi-indology-conference-chennai-proceedings-introduction/
Fundamental difference between Hindu dharma and Abrahmic religions in truth (satya) and lie (asatya) they are interested in conversations of huge population of Hindu. Once they achieve that then they will start fighting christen verses Islam !! Secularism is tool for that !!
I salute this presentation ad this is the first time a serious intellectual response is being given to the cunning and well funded christian evangelists who are out to destroy the hindu indian culture. Kudos to infinity foundation for organizing this conference.
Great set of talks touching upon most of the important issues around Dravidian Hinduphobia. Essential watch for every Hindu Tamil and Non-Tamil. Non-Tamils need to understand that the methodologies explained here are similar to what Rajiv had constantly talked about. So TamilNadu dravidianism is a laboratory for such experiments on Hinduphobia. These methodologies could be implemented in other regions of India.
Fantastic to watch this. Great sincere effort by everybody to awaken the truth in Tamilnadu. More and more people should join this effort in whatever way you can. I suggest individual speeches and individual sections also be uploaded (in addition to this full session) so that sharing becomes convenient.
இந்து மதம் என்று ஒரு மதம் இல்லை,. அதற்கு என்று ஒரு புனித நூல் இல்லை. வேதங்கள் பார்ப்பனர்களுக்கு ஆனது.வேதத்தை மையமாக வைத்து ஒரு மதத்தைப் பேச வேண்டுமானால் அது பார்ப்பன மதம் என்று பேச வேண்டும். இந்து மதம் என்று பேசுவது மக்களை ஏமாற்ற தான். நம் வழிபாட்டு முறை இல்லையே அனைவரையும் சமமாக கருதவில்லை தீண்டத்தகாதவர் கோபுரத்தை மட்டும் தரிசிக்கலாம். பார்ப்பனரல்லாத இன்னும் எந்த காலத்திலும் கருவறைக்குள் நுழைய முடியாது.கருவறைக்குள் அர்ச்சனை செய்பவர்கள் பார்ப்பனனாகத்தான் இருக்க முடியும். இப்படி ஒரு சாதியை முன்னிறுத்தி செய்ய வேண்டிய வேலையை மதமென்று ஏமாற்றுகிறீர்கள் உங்களை கேட்பதற்கு ஆள் இல்லையா?
Incisive assessment by excellent scholars, of today's harmful trends. Indians simply need to be aware of these issues.....things would sort themselves out automatically. Breaking-India forces thrive because the general public is kept in the dark about their activities; even mainstream journalists appear ignorant of these issues!
Hello Madam, I would appreciate if they raise it to the level of metaphysics rather than mouth the language of "religions" - that tirukkuRaL mentions Hindu Gods. Here is a reply to a Srilankan I did @ the Indiafacts article on Kanchi Seer apparently not standing for tamizh Anthem - standing itself is a Christian practice. The image of tamizh mother is quintessentially Indic ( or Sindhu-kaveri) civilizational. Language is feminine and the female as divine is not there in any western "religions". The persians changed it to Hindu and English man removed that also. Kalavai points out that the author of the tamizh Anthem himself recognizes it in so many ways as quintessentially Sindhu-Kaveri but injects poison midway. But it is not a poison pill for us, we can digest it as Sindhu-Kaveri can take and respect even some conflicting opinions. Proto-sumerian, proto-european not withstanding : you with a Srilankan name ought to be aware that, Sanskrit with a "sa" - Sindhu - the last stressful consonant - that orginates from cosmos ( a bag of air pierced with a pin emits "sss") in it's letter pantheon is already indigenous just as tamizh with it's "ka" in kAveri - the first stressful consonant that a child (which only emits vowels to begin with) gets from Mother - is enshrined in tantra - the worship of the feminine divine as "kAdi" vidya - completely indigenous. SrI Rama becomes irAman in tamizh - "I" itself is feminine divine - just as SrI lanka becomes ilangai in tamizh! Proto-European ( if one exists really) already diverged from Proto-Indo when the Persians added harhavati and hindu , later assigned to Hindus. Don;t know if they deified rivers, we did. So there you go Sanskrit is completely indigenous even in the prevalent theories! To quote Arjun Sampath's recent video, Nakeerar in tirumurugATRuppaDai describes Murugan using letters (12 - uyirezhuttu) - (18 - meyyezuttu) - describing Arumugam. The honorific "aDigal" as in ilangO aDigal is same as the honorific "pAda" (bhagavat pAda, prabhupAda) - referring to the feet of the preceptor as divine - feet walks the path and we try to follow the path laid down by the preceptors. That metaphysics of language as divine , and language as inherently beautiful and hence sacred is quintessentially Sindhu-kAvEri. Problem is so many posters here are into "Gods" due to which people like Kalavai Venkat have to call themselves as "Atheists". Sorry we don't have 33C creators - rather the creation we see with our eyes is regarded as sacred. No faith required, just observe the parents, practicing the sense of the sacred, and live a happy life.
No need for going to the level of metaphysics. With simple facts, the dogmatic theories of the Eurocentric Missionaries and Dravidianists are refuted. Come with specific issue and debate. Don't try to drag the debate to different terains.
Vivekananda said: "Truth is self effulgent". You can indulge in falsification for sometime but you won't succeed. I being a Tamilian am also disgusted by the way in which Tamizh language itself was changed by Dravidian politicians over the years. Many alphabets were taken out of the langauge as they were thought to be derived from Sanskrit. This is what happens when you try to purify a language. You screw it up. Today, Tamizh is totally screwed up. It has lost its pristine beauty. It is time we all wake up and redeem our true heritage.
Since Communists never consider culture and civilization in their economic Marxist philosophy, therefore they would go to any extend to oppose Nationalism because for them every nation is nothing but just a piece of land where people should only care for their economic prosperity and financial equality, and not this culture or that culture. These sectarian movements like Dravidian movement and various Dalit Movements in order to create more rifts between different Caste fault lines or movements on regional language which were made to flourish all these years without much substance are actually driven by a typical Communist mindset (that since there's nothing in actual to bind so many cultures except those all-time favorite theoretical answers answers like "Universal Tolerance" and "Unity in Diversity" which are noting special as a glue to bind and can be irresponsibly applicable to people from any part of the world to demean their right to freedom, therefore India is not one nation) and thus playing into the global hands. But as soon as you would go deep into the gravity of the matter, you would find "Diversity in Unity" more appropriate than this fake popular "Unity in Diversity" concept in defining India's pluralism and multi-culture. But before advocating this point, let me tell you that instead of fake one way Tolerance and absolute non-violence, our Civilization stands on practical ground of Mutual-Respect and "Minimization of Harm"; and this evaluation of Harm is being done in terms of both nature and humanity as follows: 1- Dharma - Law of nature 2- Karma - Law of action 3- Rebirth (Multiple lives) 4- Temporary Heaven and Hell 5- Permanent way back to the source(Moksha).Transmigration and transcendence are one of the core concepts in all Dharmic religions. (Soul keeps on incarnating until : a) obtains Moksha (Hinduism). b) merges with the Creator (Sikhism). c) attains Nirvana (Buddhism). 6- Considering there are multiple ways to attain moksha, that paves way to peace within Dharmic religions. Meditation (the process and aim although may vary in each faith. Like Sikhism mostly concentrates on Naam Simran for Divine- Merger, Buddhism has other meditation techniques like Vipasna etc, and Hinduism too has kriyas, yogic meditations and so on). 7- Respects the freewill of the humans, allows to contemplate and argue the philosophies and beliefs. Seeking is given more importance than believing or disbelieving. Hence, all Indic Religions which originate out of free thinking environment, have a Dharmic Vedic core in them be it Sikhism or Jainism or Buddhism or Hindusim (Sanatana Dharma) or even athesim, and therefore have same "samskaras" and Mutual-Respect for each other and not bloody fake Tolerance (as propagated in the West) which itself sounds intrinsically very insulting. Therefore, no indic religion felt any 'theoretical' insecurity at least, unlike to the Abrahamic Religions which can't be more exclusive than saying "it's either my way or the highway (satanic)".Hindus believe in mutual respect, which is hard for abrahamic religions to accept who are expansionist. There lies the problem. Hindus believe in mutual respect, which is hard for Abrahamic religions to accept who are expansionist and claim their's the only way. We don't believe in concocted "unity in diversity" theory as propagated in the West. Rather we have our own binding theory and the best term to express this force in defining India's pluralism and multi-culture is "Diversity in Unity" which gives every individual to explore the universal truth and all fundamental questions in one's own way without feeling any insecurity on the trust of Mutual-Respect and Dharma. Now before someone would jump on to my caste alleging me of supporting Brahmanism, I must say that I consider myself as Hindu first and Hindu last. I too want this fake birth based Caste System to immediately go away since it was never mentioned in our scriptures and there're so many ways for uprooting this menace of Caste System out of which Vedic education is the best possible way as per me which these political vultures will never agree upon in the name of secularism. Hindu as a community is in short of fund to open such schools because almost all our offering in Hindu temples get collected by the Govt and thus that money become 'secular'. There lies the another problem.
Sir, Before the BJP rule end, I would say, we better get control of entire Hindu Temples in only 100 % Hindua hand.and make a full transparent system to monitor looting of money and our resources(Like statue smuggling and things like that.)
I listen it with tears in my eyes. How our beloved nation n great sanatan dharma were cheated by our own. Special thanks to venkantesaran ji.Height of hypocrisy beef party in jallikattu opposition rally. Great secularism.
Actually answers to questions is given by Swami Vivekananda , there are some lower consciously evolved human beings in society . Like all societies , no society is perfect . Compared to Lord Riseleys caste system how were things in time before that , then before that . Like that comparision can be made to the very beginning , this could have been mentioned , anyhow wonderful presentation . Time has come to become Virat Hindus . Wonderful presentation . In future we have to become a consciously evolved society with total end of any discrimination . There are many good examples in India history that show social harmony .
Step towards building India. This benefit whole world. World should realize that only and only Indian Civilization can save world From disasters: ecological, environmental....
May I suggest a short clips of important points are also prepared by Swadeshi Indology? Just like you guys did for Raj Vedam Ji's talk. Because this are very important talks and too long to reach to the masses. Easier to reach the masses with short clips on important points shared by presenter.
'Arya' is just an adjective. Calling somone Aryaputra is like praising the parents who have given great 'samskaras' to their child. The word Arya means "shreshta" in Hindi and Bhagwad Gita says "shresthta" does not come from birth, rather it comes from your virtues. For eg, Milk, Ghee, 'Chhanchh', Curd, etc all belong to the same family. but their values are different. Yes the real problem of India is in Caste System and that includes not only brahmanism but also Dalit politics. Why were these self claimed liberal parties not able to address this issue in all these years? Probably those political vultures never had that kind of will and intention. This parliamentary democracy has allowed people to collect one group or the other in the name of oppressed over some other groups and cashed into these fault lines, but never really tried to lessen these social gaps. Why do you people who talk so much about Caste discrimination, feel frustrated to see Hindus getting united? These communists thinks "Minority can 'only' be helped by knocking Majority but no matter what, Majority must continue showing big heart for Minority for the sake of democracy and be unilaterally tolerant because that's what 'unity in diversity' means"....I really don't understand that why the hell Hindu-unity is religious polarization to you but Muslim unity in the name of 'Ummah' is fine? Aren't common people of India seeing how deliberately you ignore social crime of promoting sectarianism and hence never target leaders who do caste politics? Is promoting Casteism not "aag lagana"? Who's education system is responsible for the inferior complexity of a common Indian today? If so many incidents of Jihadis bombing people in name of Allah can't paint Muslims in general as Terrorists, how come 2-3 incidents by some crooks in name of gau-raksha can paint whole India as intolerant? I mean we Hindus can also say that we feel a sense of fear to go out in some particular places in West Bengal, Kerala and Kashmir type of states, but we don't do so out of maturity because we know the local incidents should not be generalized for whole country. Look bro, India is democratic and secular not only by the Constitution, but also by inheritance of our pluralistic free mind and open architecture tradition. Democracy and Pluralism and Multi-culture all are Hindu phenomenon because Hindus were in majority, not because of some so called founding fathers only. Had Muslims been in majority, you people would not have enjoyed so much secularism and liberalism, if I may say in your language. But gone are those days when people in general felt into your trap of sectarian politics be it in the name of Dalit Movement or Dravidian Movement or various other movements based on regional language.And by the way, do you even know the international definition of minority? Muslims themselves claim to rule India for more than 600 years or so, they didn't have to pay jaziya tax and all. Parsis don't any problem. Christians are openly running their missionaries and trusts in all over India and also converting the poor Dalits with their foreign funded NGOs. Remaining all other minority religions are Dharmic religions i.e Sikhism Jainism and Buddhism whom we Hindus give Mutual-Respect because of an inherent theoretical trust through the scriptures. This is just a manufactured fear which you Marxists in disguise of intellectualism want to instill into the minority people to push your narrative. Even the word Secularism was introduced later on by a Muslim President Fakir Uddin Ali Ahmed under Indira Gandhi's govt during emergency. In West, Secularism is that " All humans are created equally " and true secularism needs one uniform civil laws... Separation of religions from state (Government). Secularism does not mean that majorities must give up everything to minorities..In perfect secular society, There is no room for reservations or quota system...But don't cunningly conclude that I'm against reservation based on Caste. Let me address this Reservation part later on, but please do tell which country is 100% secularist nation? Now before you jump on to my caste alleging me of supporting Brahmanism, I must say that I consider myself as Hindu first and Hindu last. I too want this fake birth based Caste System to immediately go away since it was never mentioned in our scriptures and there're so many ways for uprooting this menace of Caste System out of which Vedic education is the best possible way as per me which these political vultures will never agree upon in the name of secularism. Hindu as a community is in short of fund to open such schools because almost all our offering in Hindu temples get collected by the Govt and thus that money become 'secular'. There lies the problem. By the way, these Marxists and Muslims who talk so much about Caste System never want to talk about Ashraf ( Arabic word that means 'noble' which includes all undoubted descendants of foreigners and convert from high caste Hindus )and Ajlaf ( contemptuous Arabic term that means 'wreteches' or 'mean people' which include all other Mahomedans comprising the occupational groups and converts of lower ranks; they are also called Kamina or Itar, 'base' or Rasil, a corruption of Rizal, 'wothless'). In some places a third class , called Arzal or 'lowest of all', is added. With them no other Mahomedan would associate, and they are forbidden to enter the mosque, to use the public burial ground. Have anyone ever heard you self claimed secular and liberal intelletuals complain against discrimination against lower strata Muslims? Even if somebody would dare to speak against this, you leftists (whom I call professional mouners or 'Rudali' in desi bhasa) jump in to defend by saying it is their personal law safeguarded by the Constitution itself. I would say that unfortunately even our Constitution Makers didn't address all this discrimination in other communities while making the Constitution and therefore it has always a chance of ammendment.
-now coming to the Caste System, I must say that although I've been born in a so called Brahman family but since the day I've come across Bhagwad Gita, I've always considered myself as a Hindu first and Hindu last. However, I must say that Brahmin sages introduced the Varnashrama system to Hindus. They wanted to formally divide labor. The caste system was made rigid, NOT BECAUSE ALL BRAHMINS WERE CORRUPT. The caste system was made rigid because it was believed that when a certain family has the son learning from his father, that would not only cut back societal expenses on education but also introduce expertise in the society. However, as with any event in history, This had negative consequences too. My ancestors did not mean harm. But, I believe that expertise is not produced by son learning from father but by facing difficulties in life..nepotism sucks. Castes were never allotted by birth in the past.. It was decided by karma but later those in power at their own convenience deliberately misinterpreted the whole Vedas to serve their purpose... The present caste system is fucked up and we are responsible for it...?It's already commanded in our scriptures to update our smritis( Manusmriti to Yagnivalkya to now Mitakshara and Dayabaga) like Puranas, Shastras and kavyas from time time with evolution in Human material and spiritual expereince. That's why we have so many interpretations of Ramayana and Sitayana, and that's why we are not hesitant to accept the Indian Constitution as one of our latest shastras and part of our religion. No Hindu can deny this. But can we expect the same from self claimed all time perfect Abrahamic religions too? Religion was not responsible for this menace of Caste System , rather manipulations and deliberate misinterpretations of Varna and Jati vyavastha in Social Structure were. We self claimed Brahmans who don't want others to read Vedas and expose our greed, whose ancestors had cunningly manipulated our Shrutis(Vedas and Upnishads which are Universally Eternal and Fundamental that can't be changed) and didn't update Smritis (Shastras, Puranas and Kavyas) in greed so that the power, wealth, land and knowledge can be centralized (based on birth) and not decentralized in different sections of society based on individual skills or abilities, should come in front and lead the revolution of uprooting this Caste System from our society and accept ourselves as Hindu first and Hindu last. Regarding Smritis which are commanded to be updated in the sciptires itself, I would like to add that although Manusmriti was updated to Yagvalkya and then to Meetakshara and Daybaga School of Thoughts, but from then on we have been stagnant for last 1000-1500 years and never really cared to update and contexualized them in a more logical, spiritual and scientfic way. Similalrly, Puranas and Shastras too were not updated along with Human evolution and time. However, kavyas like Ramayna and Mahabharat, being 2 mahakavyas were interpreated many times in various ages according to one's own way of looking at things. Although the Jati vyvastha was based on state level to ensure that Children who inherit traditional skills from their parents can produce more in quality and quantity, but according to Varna vyvastha in puroshoktm (which came after Manusmriti and which was deliberately not made popular or accessed to every section of society), a child from any family holds all the right to be Brahman if he owes intellectual skills, or to be Kshtriya if he owes fighting skills even if his father has some skills other than that of Kshtriya. And that's why the weaver jati, steel making jati, goldsmiths, porters etc were not poor in dated History until 17th century. But since this Varna vyavastha and jati vyavastha which were very much logical and practical have been intoxicated to such a large extent now that we should not be thinking of reverse engineering these systems. Rather we should consider ourselves as Hindu first and Hindu last. We should continuously evolve our smritis(scriptures) with time on the basis of science and spiritual experience as it is already said in the scriptures, instead of being frozen and still like Abrahamic religions. You can also verify that- Purusha sukta from Rig veda says -" As mentioned in Rigveda 9.112.3, ' Karu-raham-tato-bhisag upal-pakshini-nanah, Nana-dhiyo vasu-yavo-anu-gaayiv tashthi-mindrayandu-parishravaha' which means ki Varna ka shabdik meaning hai rung (color) aur shastro me trigun(3 personality virtues). Yani satva, rajo aur tamo naam ki mano-sthiti ya mano-dasha(psyche) ko varna yani rungo k madhyam se v darshaya jata hai. Isliye satva ko safed (white), rajas ko laal (red) aur tamash ko krishna yani kaale (black) rung se abhivyakt kiya jata hai. Jab manushya apne astitva (existence) k liye kabhi jungli pashuo se aur kabhi dusre samooho (groups) k aakraman (attack) se fight kar raha tha, aisi vyavastha me jo satva guun pradhan(dominant) the jinhone society k samajik (social) or aadhyatmik (spiritual) marg-darshan ka jimma (responsibility) uthaya, they were called Brahman. Jo rajo guun dominant the, yoddha (warrior) the, veer the, yuddh me kushal aur nirbhik (fearless) the, jinhone apne samaj apne samudaay (community) ki raksha (defense) ki jimmedari uthayi, they were called Kshatriya. Jo rajo aur tamo guun pradhan the, jinhone samaj k paalan-poshan, bhojan aur rojmarra (daily needs) ki zarurato ki jimmedari li, they were called vaisya (business class). aur jo tamo guun pradhan the, inhone apne samaj apne samudaay ki sewa (service) ki jimmedari uthayi, they were called as shudra. " What did rishi Yagyavalkya say to king Janak of Mithila province in Brihadaranyako Upanishad in reply to the question( What does a man become like and how does he behave after knowing the eternal truth brahma?) of Acharya Gohan- "Jo brahm ko jaan chuka hai, wohi brahman ban jata hai fir chahe woh is dhara (earth) par kahi bhi kisi k v ghar me paida hua ho, baki koi brahman nahi hai, wo sab mrityu (death) aur shok (sorrow) k grasit hain. Brahm ko jaan lene k baad jo bhukh(hunger)-pyas(thirst), janm(birth)-mrityu(death) aur shok(mourn)-moh(worldly desires and attachments) ki kaamna se mukt(free) hokar bhiksha( begging) par nirvah karta hai, wahi brahman hai. )", which means Varna k is vyavastha ka apne pracheen (ancient) ruup (form) me janm se koi sambandh nahi tha. Aur agar Varna vyavastha Janm pe aadharit nahi hai, toh fir Janm se koi mahan aur koi heen kaisa?Mai uus vyavastha k khilaf hu jo pratyek manushya ko samajik aur adhyatmik uutkarsha ka awsar(equal opportunity) na de. All of us are born shudras, with knowledge we have to become brahman and then end up as one with the eternal. Every person should have an equal right to choose his/her profession kyoki wahi purusharth(only a metaphor here) hai aur shram(profession) ka vibhajan(distribution) kisi ek varna k adikar me nahi add ho sakta.Har vyakti me aseem sambhavnae hain aur unhi sambhavnao ka dwar kholna hi varna vyavastha hai. This was the reason why Bhargavram (popularly known as Parshuram) despite of being born in a brahman family, could hold farsa(sword) in his hand as Kshtriyas. This was the reason why Valmiki despite of being born in a Kshatriya family could become Brahman and got the upadhi of Maharishi for his intellectual and spiritual knowledge. This was the same reason why Karna despite of being nourished by a fisherwoman was allowed to learn shastrakala(Fighting skills) as warriors. This was the same reason why Valmiki despite of being a son of fisherwoman and himself being a lootera(robber) could get the seat of vyas and become famous as vedavyasa after getting transformed and knowing brahma (the eternal truth). This was the same reason why Kalidas despite of coming from lakarhara (woodcutter) family got the upadhi of Mahakavi(The great Poet) after getting transformed from a foolish man to Kalibhakta. And this was again the same reason why Ravana despite of being born in a North Indian Brahman family, got the adjective of Rakshasa and later on got punished by Rama who was a Kshatriya, and no brahman had any problem against this." The same has been told by bhagvan Mahavir (in Uttaradhyana Satra) too- "Kammuna brahamano hoi, Kammuna hoi Khatriyo, Vaisyo kammuna hoi, Suddo havai kammuna" which means it is the good and bad actions of a person and not his birth that determines his Varna. Similarly, bhagwan Buddha ne v Sutta nipata 9.57,58 me isi ko support kiya hai- " na Jachcha brahmano hoti, na jachcha hoti abrahmano(unbrhamnic); kammuna hoti brahmano, te piko hoti kammuna" and in Sutta nipta 7.21,22- " na jachcha vasli hoti, na jachcha hoti brahamno; kammuna vaslo hoti, kammuna hoti brahmano" which again mean ki Varna vyavastha me koi mahaan aur koi heen nahi. Jaise mastak(head), bhujao(arms), jangho(thighs) aur pairo(legs) ka ek vyakti k kalyan k liye ek sath kaam karna aawasyak hai, usi prakar samaj k kalyan k liye ek sath kaam karna aawsyak hai, usi prakar samaj k kalyan k liye sabhi varno ki samanya ruup se aawsyakta hai. For eg, Milk, Ghee, 'Chhanchh', Curd, etc all belong to the same family, but their values are different.
If we allow ourselves to think, there are too many similarities between current situation and in EVR's time (as Maa Venkatesan ji said). Then, when Brahmins were being attacked, confused tamilans didn't speak. Now when Anti-Hindus and Anti-nationals are trying to destroy our unity through JNU etc..., We, Hindus and Indians, are also not speaking. History will always repeat itself again and again. Only those, who learned from history, will stand strong and survive.
If one has only about a minute, the example (in English) beginning @~1:29:17 might be a good take-away. Those who follow English and Tamizh will take more out of this rather rare panel discussion, in my opinion.
The word caste is used by scholars here. They should also highlight and stress on we have varna and jati... And word caste is a west construct to divide and rule.
Better upload their papers, for critical study, to know what sources, they have mentioned. The speakers / paper presenters appear to be delivering “political’ discourses on “stages”. And they were never seen in any of the History Forums like IHC, SIHC etc….. Particularly, when they mention certain “Christians” inculturation, dialogue etc., it is not clear as to whether they have done any field study, interviewed them, interacted with them etc…
5:55 That's why we need to get rid of the world "secular" which Indira Gandi added to the preamble. Before you do anything else now, go see the definition of secular, it will just take a second if you Google it!
The different kazhagams taking pride in attaching 'dravidian' in their names shiuld wind up if their leaders (Thalaivars) are true to their salt. They should of course give up their "dravidianism" -- and publc loot and property grabbing through intimidations - while ruling or sharing power, That is the only logically warranted thing after this unbiassed and crystal clear expose of the hocus pocus due to EV Ramasami
DESTRUCTION OF A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY..!! India was a prosperous peaceful society with social equality with vwey high social values and human values..! Even wars were fought with meticulous rules away from public at an earmarked battlefield..! Afyer 1857 Sepoy mutiny, the chrishitian invaders knew that Cultural Affinity and Social Equality were the main reasons for High Valour and Strong Unity among the Sepoys..! So they thought unless they destroy the cultural.affinity and create social.inequality, they cant continue their Rule in India..! The Social equality was destroyed by chrishitian invaders by bringing in Criminal Tribes Act 1871 and our society was divided by force. We were forced to practice social atrocities on such legally sidelined Tribes..! Such people branded as Criminal Tribes (later as Dalits) were separated from mainstream society. They were prevented to enter villages, to take water from wells etc., thus introducing untouvhability too..! Those who stealthily helped them access to village on those initial days of the implementation of Law were severely punished..! Thus through law the chrishitian invaders successfully implemented social discrimination since1871 and later after 3 generations(60 years) when it bacame an accepted social practice, they started putting the blame on our own society since 1930s. By that time there were hardly anyone in society who knew what was the actual society in 1871.(Those who were about 10 years age at 1871 were about 70 in 1930s and mostly were dead ) In 1930s, They organised Round Table Conference to pose as though they were saviours of Criminal Tribes, and now they branded them as Dalits and lower caste..and wanted to give them special favours while sidelining Brahmans by branding them.as upper caste. Thus the seeds for our cultural destruction was sown. .... Meanwhile, in 1871 they also tampered our Occupation based Varna Social system and converted it into Birth based Caste Certification system. Brahmans were tacitly shifted out from their occupation and given lucurative jobs. They not only deprived indhuism of its scholars but also got native manpower to rule. Social inequality was thus promoted by promoting few by giving good positions while depriving others by branding them as Criminal Tribes..! Simultaneously, they kept silently destroying Sanskrit, vedagamas, goshalas, etc., since 1857 in well organised manner. Most of the indhu scholars were killed or sent to Cellular jail in Andhaman to get murdered. Scholars like Tagore who delinked Sanskrit from indian literature were promoted..! Though initially since 1870s Brahmans were given jobs, later, since 1930s, the chrishitian invaders and their agents reversed their stand creating a hostile atmosphere against Brahmans and Indhu priests. They took over control of Temples in 1938 so that Temples can be deprived of its Artistes, Priests, Lands, Ornaments, etc., . After independence too anti brahman atmosphere was continued. The priests and scholars were further discouraged and sidelined so that their next generation was demotivated from becoming religious scholars ..! Also Atmosphere was created so that they move out to chrishitian nations..! This too helped the chrishitian invaders in two ways. One to destroy our cultural basement and another to chrishitianise the third generation descendants of our indhu scholars in an alien environment..! After Independence, The continuation of the chrishitian rule indirectly through their own Agents within Congress ensured nonstop anti-indhu govt activities and further propagation of chrishitianity within India..! Now, most casteist leaders, intermediary cults and fake swamijis are all funded from defence budget of US UK etc., Naxalites and Conversions are also similarly funded by Defence Budget of Chrishitian Nations. We need to expose the whole long term Chrishitian Agenda of Destruction of Our Society and Culture. In 1857, after Sepoy mutiny, they have deviced a 10 generation plan (200years) to destroy our culture in-toto and make us chrishitian church slaves by 2057..! Beware..this is a well planned Reinvasion War..!! Are we going to fight it out or silently turn into chrishitian slaves ?? 1947 was Fake Freedom. It was a Ploy to stop the Freedom Struggle and trick us to believe as though Chrishitian Rule has ended. Unless we erase Church Slavery, we are not a Free Nation. Through Church, the Foreigners will indulge more and more in our Politics and Governance and also control every aspect of our life once we get converted..! Are we to lose our Great Motherland and our Future Generations to Chrishitian Slavery again ? Are we going to give up the hard earned Freedom ? Remember only our Cultural Security is our National Security..!! Bharat Matha ki Jai..!! ua-cam.com/video/LqAl7EG1kVE/v-deo.html
Blaming Brahmins for all the ills by Dravidian politicians are a cover up for their misdeeds in Dravidian parties rules ,these political parties completely destroyed Tamil culture
we need to go back to Gauda = north of Vindhya and Dravida = south of Vindhya or the "South Indians" should wife all the references to Agastya and Lopamudra !!!!!!!!!
Why Swadeshi indology doesn't include tamil literature? Why focus on only antiquity of Sanskrit? Why lacking focus in the south? Are you people even ready to accept if Tamil is older than sanskrit? Are you people ready to accept if Tamil or south Indian civilization is older and gave birth to saraswati civilization?
shri hari dumbo...have you watched the video ???? they are talking about all from 2nd century BC to Subramanium Bharathi. don't make a mockery of yourself.
shree hari I can see where you come from. We will short ot as to which one is old. But are you ready to except EVRa and Dravida movements are christian missionaries hiden groups ?
It is a pity that intellectuals who were honest did not just leave Tamil Nadu and rebutt these from outside the state. If you are passive, you are the loser.
Ma venkatesan asks what's the connection between mudukullathur caste violence and brahmins? Well there's no direct connection but the very philosophical base for caste was created by brahmins
Unfortunately this is a widely held misconception. Scholars scream out loud that it is not the case but people continue to hold this erroneous view. The Brahmins did NOT device caste. The Vedas themselves speak of 4 varnas, based on vocation. Dharmasastras such as Manu Dharma sastra was written by Manu, a Kshatriya, from the administrative point of view. Any discrimination on basis of caste may have been first perpetrated by those other than Brahmin. Racism is not inherent in Indian society.
All this is wrong history . Caste was imposed on India by British after revolt of 1857 by a man called Lord Riseley who was sent from England . He created Heiarchy of castes in India . In India they blamed Brahmins .
Read Breaking India . Being Different . Academic Hinduphobia . All conflicts and wars in past century were started from.Europe . All wrong propaganda was done . End game was Conversion . British wanted to destroy Indian civilisation they knew indians were proud people .
Tamil has nothing to do with Sanskrit. Sanskrit has been classified as a proto-iranian language to this day. In fact sanskrit is not a Indian language at all. However, it is clearly established that Tamil is the original native language of India. Now a big question arises before me. Why the Indian government ruled by brahmin walas hell bent on spreading Hindi which itself is a mix of Arabic, Pashtun, Turkic, Parsi and other middle eastern languages?
Tamil and Sanskrit are different but ancient languages of India. No doubt in that fact. But they have been interacting for centuries. Many Sanskrit works have been translated to Tamil and Tamils have contributed to the development of Sanskrit. Tamil Works have been also translated to Sanskrit also. Tamil literature from the Sangam period has the references on Vedas, Yajnas, Puranas, Mahabharata and Ramayana. There is very clearcut continuity in culture and civilization of India across linguistic states and regions. For the convenience of Eurocentric rootless Abrahamics, we need not deny the relationship between Sanskrit.
'Vedic philosophy" goes hand in hand with Tamil philosophy. Can you spell out the difference? Nobody can because there is no difference. Even today most people are bilingual and multilingual in this country; that does not make each language a different culture. Yes, Tamil and Sanskrit are equally ancient, each contributed to the development of the other but we do not have track of the exact manner. As a Tamilian, I am also happy to say that perhaps Tamil is older, but the fact is that the Rg Veda is the most ancient literature that we have. We modern citizens should stop bickering over speculation and be more accepting of "Tamil culture" and "Sanskrit culture" being one. There is no question of imposing any language. If you want to get educated, then learn the language, that is all.
Sanskrit is not Indo-Iranian, It is as much Indian as Tamil. As Kannada and Telugu and Malayalam evolved out of Tamil, Sanskrit evolved out of an proto language which evolved in areas around Kashmir. Proto-Avestan and Sanskrit co-evolved before tribes migrated to Iran and then it evolved separately from Sanskrit. Same thing happened to dravidian languages, however those languages stayed in India unlike other Indo- European languages.
the first speaker was amazing. i realized that our own languages have better connection to our mind than the foreign ones. i might not have been able to understand what he spoke in tamil without subtitles but i do get to understand the bhava with which he was conveying the message. the pain, anguish n frustration he felt by the deed of that evil periyar n denigration of dharma in it's own land can be well understood.
thanks for ur effort sir. kudos to rajiv sir for bringing such an interesting n enriching panel to the viewers . jai ho ! jai sanatan dharma
Well said.
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Great presentation. Especially Shri Jataayu ji from 41 min through 62 min. Fabulous!
I caught you ...i have watched your vidoes too...
Happy to see u in this panel discussion. I have seen your research videos. Great
Infinity foundation should start Swadeshi journalism . Patriotic journalists of India should join it .
It has already started and thats why many are against that individual now.
they need fund which they dont have. no one funding them.
Beautiful speech by Maa Venkatesan Ji.. It's quite encouraging to listen to people like you
Very eye-opening discussion on Tamil Nadu Hinduphobics. Pranam to all the members.
I’m thrilled to see tamil scholars step up to undo the dravidian lie. It’s late in the day but so important, so important in this days temperament.
Blaming Brahmins for everything is very similar to how Nazis blamed Jews for everything.
@nagumomu ganaleni the Jews are all powerful not. They control everything from the shadows.
@nagumomu ganaleni this is all false narrative against Brahmins. Christian evangelists propagate issues in Hindu society to further their cause
@Madurai Veeran How did they propagate caste system, there was no caste system before British.
@Madurai Veeran Okay. Please kill us all.
Thank you Infinity Foundation, thank you Sri M. Venkatesan, Sri Ananda Padmanabhan, Sri Jataayu, Sri A. V. Gopalakrishnana and Dr. Kanagaraj. The exposing of EVR, of all the print and visual media's roles in causing and maintaining the social divide is the need of the hour.
Sri Jatayu's speech is awesome. He is obviously a well read man and a scholar.
I am so happy to watch this. And am so grateful to those who put in the subtitles/closed captions. That way I was able to understand fully what was beinga=said in Tamil. I speak Hindi, Urdu & Punjabi, but can understand some Telugu, Tamil & Kannada, but not too good at that. The closed captions really helped big time.
Such talks must get wide publicity to educate every one about the breaking India forces. Jai Hind.
My best wishes to all the panelist speakers. First time high quality talks in Tamizh.
Sri Venkatesan Ji & Sri Ananda Ji for opening up new views about "so called" Dravidian culture.
Exceptional presentation by Jataayu Ji & Sri AV GopalaKrishnan Ji.
What is tamizh. Is it a tamil word? English spelling making it jibbrish
Yes, Zha is different from la and La. It should be Thamizh. We have three consonants. la, La and zha in Tamil as well as malaiyaLam.
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i am sure none of the local Tamil media either print or TV would have covered this event..
Not true. Many TVs are private and not owned by the govt.
Immediately, I posted the proceedings of the SIC-3 as follows:
tamilheritage.wordpress.com/2017/12/25/swadhesi-indology-conference-chennai-proceedings-introduction/
You can read parts 1 to 6, if you know Tamil
they will never print
Fascinating talk! Best video ever to discuss dharma in Tamil Nadu,every Indian need to see this
There was no Saint Thomas .
Yes the apostle never came to India! He never left Palestine area. This is concocted, false history by evangelists!
Fundamental difference between Hindu dharma and Abrahmic religions in truth (satya) and lie (asatya) they are interested in conversations of huge population of Hindu. Once they achieve that then they will start fighting christen verses Islam !! Secularism is tool for that !!
I salute this presentation ad this is the first time a serious intellectual response is being given to the cunning and well funded christian evangelists who are out to destroy the hindu indian culture. Kudos to infinity foundation for organizing this conference.
Great set of talks touching upon most of the important issues around Dravidian Hinduphobia. Essential watch for every Hindu Tamil and Non-Tamil. Non-Tamils need to understand that the methodologies explained here are similar to what Rajiv had constantly talked about. So TamilNadu dravidianism is a laboratory for such experiments on Hinduphobia. These methodologies could be implemented in other regions of India.
Fantastic to watch this. Great sincere effort by everybody to awaken the truth in Tamilnadu. More and more people should join this effort in whatever way you can. I suggest individual speeches and individual sections also be uploaded (in addition to this full session) so that sharing becomes convenient.
We should have national Tilak day . It should be celebrated every week .
M Venkatesan, amazing knowledge. May god bless him.
Excellent talks by all the speakers! Jataayu ji.. you rock :)
Sir Venkatesan made me fall in love with Tamil. What a beautiful language!
Great job.... Bhagwan aap sab ko ashirwad de....
Excellent, please come forward in TV so that wide audience will be reached
Venkatesan ji 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Indeed informative. Thanks to all the speakers.
excellent panel discussion. kudos to the panelists and organizers.
இந்து மதம் என்று ஒரு மதம் இல்லை,. அதற்கு என்று ஒரு புனித நூல் இல்லை. வேதங்கள் பார்ப்பனர்களுக்கு ஆனது.வேதத்தை மையமாக வைத்து ஒரு மதத்தைப் பேச வேண்டுமானால் அது பார்ப்பன மதம் என்று பேச வேண்டும். இந்து மதம் என்று பேசுவது மக்களை ஏமாற்ற தான்.
நம் வழிபாட்டு முறை இல்லையே அனைவரையும் சமமாக கருதவில்லை தீண்டத்தகாதவர் கோபுரத்தை மட்டும் தரிசிக்கலாம்.
பார்ப்பனரல்லாத இன்னும் எந்த காலத்திலும் கருவறைக்குள் நுழைய முடியாது.கருவறைக்குள் அர்ச்சனை செய்பவர்கள் பார்ப்பனனாகத்தான் இருக்க முடியும்.
இப்படி ஒரு சாதியை முன்னிறுத்தி செய்ய வேண்டிய வேலையை மதமென்று ஏமாற்றுகிறீர்கள் உங்களை கேட்பதற்கு ஆள் இல்லையா?
Modern Hinduism is not possible without Tamil traditions like Temples. Those dravidian followers need to realize.
Incisive assessment by excellent scholars, of today's harmful trends. Indians simply need to be aware of these issues.....things would sort themselves out automatically. Breaking-India forces thrive because the general public is kept in the dark about their activities; even mainstream journalists appear ignorant of these issues!
Hello Madam, I would appreciate if they raise it to the level of metaphysics rather than mouth the language of "religions" - that tirukkuRaL mentions Hindu Gods. Here is a reply to a Srilankan I did @ the Indiafacts article on Kanchi Seer apparently not standing for tamizh Anthem - standing itself is a Christian practice.
The image of tamizh mother is quintessentially Indic ( or Sindhu-kaveri) civilizational. Language is feminine and the female as divine is not there in any western "religions". The persians changed it to Hindu and English man removed that also. Kalavai points out that the author of the tamizh Anthem himself recognizes it in so many ways as quintessentially Sindhu-Kaveri but injects poison midway. But it is not a poison pill for us, we can digest it as Sindhu-Kaveri can take and respect even some conflicting opinions.
Proto-sumerian, proto-european not withstanding : you with a Srilankan name ought to be aware that, Sanskrit with a "sa" - Sindhu - the last stressful consonant - that orginates from cosmos ( a bag of air pierced with a pin emits "sss") in it's letter pantheon is already indigenous just as tamizh with it's "ka" in kAveri - the first stressful consonant that a child (which only emits vowels to begin with) gets from Mother - is enshrined in tantra - the worship of the feminine divine as "kAdi" vidya - completely indigenous.
SrI Rama becomes irAman in tamizh - "I" itself is feminine divine - just as SrI lanka becomes ilangai in tamizh!
Proto-European ( if one exists really) already diverged from Proto-Indo when the Persians added harhavati and hindu , later assigned to Hindus. Don;t know if they deified rivers, we did. So there you go Sanskrit is completely indigenous even in the prevalent theories!
To quote Arjun Sampath's recent video, Nakeerar in tirumurugATRuppaDai describes Murugan using letters (12 - uyirezhuttu) - (18 - meyyezuttu) - describing Arumugam.
The honorific "aDigal" as in ilangO aDigal is same as the honorific "pAda" (bhagavat pAda, prabhupAda) - referring to the feet of the preceptor as divine - feet walks the path and we try to follow the path laid down by the preceptors.
That metaphysics of language as divine , and language as inherently beautiful and hence sacred is quintessentially Sindhu-kAvEri.
Problem is so many posters here are into "Gods" due to which people like Kalavai Venkat have to call themselves as "Atheists". Sorry we don't have 33C creators - rather the creation we see with our eyes is regarded as sacred. No faith required, just observe the parents, practicing the sense of the sacred, and live a happy life.
No need for going to the level of metaphysics. With simple facts, the dogmatic theories of the Eurocentric Missionaries and Dravidianists are refuted. Come with specific issue and debate. Don't try to drag the debate to different terains.
Vivekananda said: "Truth is self effulgent".
You can indulge in falsification for sometime but you won't succeed.
I being a Tamilian am also disgusted by the way in which Tamizh language itself was changed by Dravidian politicians over the years. Many alphabets were taken out of the langauge as they were thought to be derived from Sanskrit.
This is what happens when you try to purify a language. You screw it up.
Today, Tamizh is totally screwed up. It has lost its pristine beauty.
It is time we all wake up and redeem our true heritage.
Such an important video and much need of the time.. As tamil speaking Indian... Appreciating everyone who made this happened..
Impressive panel - all of them had very interesting insights. Good discussions.
Since Communists never consider culture and civilization in their economic Marxist philosophy, therefore they would go to any extend to oppose Nationalism because for them every nation is nothing but just a piece of land where people should only care for their economic prosperity and financial equality, and not this culture or that culture.
These sectarian movements like Dravidian movement and various Dalit Movements in order to create more rifts between different Caste fault lines or movements on regional language which were made to flourish all these years without much substance are actually driven by a typical Communist mindset (that since there's nothing in actual to bind so many cultures except those all-time favorite theoretical answers answers like "Universal Tolerance" and "Unity in Diversity" which are noting special as a glue to bind and can be irresponsibly applicable to people from any part of the world to demean their right to freedom, therefore India is not one nation) and thus playing into the global hands. But as soon as you would go deep into the gravity of the matter, you would find "Diversity in Unity" more appropriate than this fake popular "Unity in Diversity" concept in defining India's pluralism and multi-culture. But before advocating this point, let me tell you that instead of fake one way Tolerance and absolute non-violence, our Civilization stands on practical ground of Mutual-Respect and "Minimization of Harm"; and this evaluation of Harm is being done in terms of both nature and humanity as follows:
1- Dharma - Law of nature
2- Karma - Law of action
3- Rebirth (Multiple lives)
4- Temporary Heaven and Hell
5- Permanent way back to the source(Moksha).Transmigration
and transcendence are one of the core concepts in all Dharmic religions.
(Soul keeps on incarnating until :
a) obtains Moksha (Hinduism).
b) merges with the Creator (Sikhism).
c) attains Nirvana (Buddhism).
6- Considering there are multiple ways to attain moksha, that
paves way to peace within Dharmic religions. Meditation (the
process and aim although may vary in each faith. Like
Sikhism mostly concentrates on Naam Simran for Divine-
Merger, Buddhism has other meditation techniques like
Vipasna etc, and Hinduism too has kriyas, yogic meditations
and so on).
7- Respects the freewill of the humans, allows to contemplate and argue the philosophies and beliefs. Seeking is given more importance than believing or disbelieving.
Hence, all Indic Religions which originate out of free thinking environment, have a Dharmic Vedic core in them be it Sikhism or Jainism or Buddhism or Hindusim (Sanatana Dharma) or even athesim, and therefore have same "samskaras" and Mutual-Respect for each other and not bloody fake Tolerance (as propagated in the West) which itself sounds intrinsically very insulting. Therefore, no indic religion felt any 'theoretical' insecurity at least, unlike to the Abrahamic Religions which can't be more exclusive than saying "it's either my way or the highway (satanic)".Hindus believe in mutual respect, which is hard for abrahamic religions to accept who are expansionist. There lies the problem.
Hindus believe in mutual respect, which is hard for Abrahamic religions to accept who are expansionist and claim their's the only way. We don't believe in concocted "unity in diversity"
theory as propagated in the West. Rather we have our own binding theory and the best term to express this force in defining India's pluralism and multi-culture is "Diversity in Unity" which gives every individual to explore the universal truth and all fundamental questions in one's own way without feeling any insecurity on the trust of Mutual-Respect and Dharma.
Now before someone would jump on to my caste alleging me of supporting Brahmanism, I must say that I consider myself as Hindu first and Hindu last. I too want this fake birth based Caste System to immediately go away since it was never mentioned in our scriptures and there're so many ways for uprooting this menace of Caste System out of which Vedic education is the best possible way as per me which these political vultures will never agree upon in the name of secularism. Hindu as a community is in short of fund to open such schools because almost all our offering in Hindu temples get collected by the Govt and thus that money become 'secular'. There lies the another problem.
Sir, Before the BJP rule end, I would say, we better get control of entire Hindu Temples in only 100 % Hindua hand.and make a full transparent system to monitor looting of money and our resources(Like statue smuggling and things like that.)
I listen it with tears in my eyes. How our beloved nation n great sanatan dharma were cheated by our own. Special thanks to venkantesaran ji.Height of hypocrisy beef party in jallikattu opposition rally. Great secularism.
Actually answers to questions is given by Swami Vivekananda , there are some lower consciously evolved human beings in society . Like all societies , no society is perfect . Compared to Lord Riseleys caste system how were things in time before that , then before that . Like that comparision can be made to the very beginning , this could have been mentioned , anyhow wonderful presentation . Time has come to become Virat Hindus . Wonderful presentation . In future we have to become a consciously evolved society with total end of any discrimination . There are many good examples in India history that show social harmony .
therationalhindu.com/mathematically-caste-by-birth-could-not-have-existed-in-bharat-c7be1f38af89
Step towards building India. This benefit whole world. World should realize that only and only Indian Civilization can save world From disasters: ecological, environmental....
I , 1st time I listen full lecture, I could understand, so sweet.
Very informative, need more such initiative, awareness is the key to fight, opponents are one step ahead, we need to catch up
May I suggest a short clips of important points are also prepared by Swadeshi Indology? Just like you guys did for Raj Vedam Ji's talk. Because this are very important talks and too long to reach to the masses. Easier to reach the masses with short clips on important points shared by presenter.
'Arya' is just an adjective. Calling somone Aryaputra is like praising the parents who have given great 'samskaras' to their child. The word Arya means "shreshta" in Hindi and Bhagwad Gita says "shresthta" does not come from birth, rather it comes from your virtues. For eg, Milk, Ghee, 'Chhanchh', Curd, etc all belong to the same family. but their values are different.
Yes the real problem of India is in Caste System and that includes not only brahmanism but also Dalit politics. Why were these self claimed liberal parties not able to address this issue in all these years? Probably those political vultures never had that kind of will and intention. This parliamentary democracy has allowed people to collect one group or the other in the name of oppressed over some other groups and cashed into these fault lines, but never really tried to lessen these social gaps. Why do you people who talk so much about Caste discrimination, feel frustrated to see Hindus getting united?
These communists thinks "Minority can 'only' be helped by knocking Majority but no matter what, Majority must continue showing big heart for Minority for the sake of democracy and be unilaterally tolerant because that's what 'unity in diversity' means"....I really don't understand that why the hell Hindu-unity is religious polarization to you but Muslim unity in the name of 'Ummah' is fine? Aren't common people of India seeing how deliberately you ignore social crime of promoting sectarianism and hence never target leaders who do caste politics? Is promoting Casteism not "aag lagana"? Who's education system is responsible for the inferior complexity of a common Indian today?
If so many incidents of Jihadis bombing people in name of Allah can't paint Muslims in general as Terrorists, how come 2-3 incidents by some crooks in name of gau-raksha can paint whole India as intolerant? I mean we Hindus can also say that we feel a sense of fear to go out in some particular places in West Bengal, Kerala and Kashmir type of states, but we don't do so out of maturity because we know the local incidents should not be generalized for whole country. Look bro, India is democratic and secular not only by the Constitution, but also by inheritance of our pluralistic free mind and open architecture tradition. Democracy and Pluralism and Multi-culture all are Hindu phenomenon because Hindus were in majority, not because of some so called founding fathers only. Had Muslims been in majority, you people would not have enjoyed so much secularism and liberalism, if I may say in your language.
But gone are those days when people in general felt into your trap of sectarian politics be it in the name of Dalit Movement or Dravidian Movement or various other movements based on regional language.And by the way, do you even know the international definition of minority? Muslims themselves claim to rule India for more than 600 years or so, they didn't have to pay jaziya tax and all. Parsis don't any problem. Christians are openly running their missionaries and trusts in all over India and also converting the poor Dalits with their foreign funded NGOs. Remaining all other minority religions are Dharmic religions i.e Sikhism Jainism and Buddhism whom we Hindus give Mutual-Respect because of an inherent theoretical trust through the scriptures. This is just a manufactured fear which you Marxists in disguise of intellectualism want to instill into the minority people to push your narrative. Even the word Secularism was introduced later on by a Muslim President Fakir Uddin Ali Ahmed under Indira Gandhi's govt during emergency.
In West, Secularism is that " All humans are created equally " and true secularism needs one uniform civil laws... Separation of religions from state (Government). Secularism does not mean that majorities must give up everything to minorities..In perfect secular society, There is no room for reservations or quota system...But don't cunningly conclude that I'm against reservation based on Caste. Let me address this Reservation part later on, but please do tell which country is 100% secularist nation?
Now before you jump on to my caste alleging me of supporting Brahmanism, I must say that I consider myself as Hindu first and Hindu last. I too want this fake birth based Caste System to immediately go away since it was never mentioned in our scriptures and there're so many ways for uprooting this menace of Caste System out of which Vedic education is the best possible way as per me which these political vultures will never agree upon in the name of secularism. Hindu as a community is in short of fund to open such schools because almost all our offering in Hindu temples get collected by the Govt and thus that money become 'secular'. There lies the problem.
By the way, these Marxists and Muslims who talk so much about Caste System never want to talk about Ashraf ( Arabic word that means 'noble' which includes all undoubted descendants of foreigners and convert from high caste Hindus )and Ajlaf ( contemptuous Arabic term that means 'wreteches' or 'mean people' which include all other Mahomedans comprising the occupational groups and converts of lower ranks; they are also called Kamina or Itar, 'base' or Rasil, a corruption of Rizal, 'wothless').
In some places a third class , called Arzal or 'lowest of all', is added. With them no other Mahomedan would associate, and they are forbidden to enter the mosque, to use the public burial ground. Have anyone ever heard you self claimed secular and liberal intelletuals complain against discrimination against lower strata Muslims? Even if somebody would dare to speak against this, you leftists (whom I call professional mouners or 'Rudali' in desi bhasa) jump in to defend by saying it is their personal law safeguarded by the Constitution itself. I would say that unfortunately even our Constitution Makers didn't address all this discrimination in other communities while making the Constitution and therefore it has always a chance of ammendment.
-now coming to the Caste System, I must say that although I've been born in a so called Brahman family but since the day I've come across Bhagwad Gita, I've always considered myself as a Hindu first and Hindu last.
However, I must say that Brahmin sages introduced the Varnashrama system to Hindus. They wanted to formally divide labor. The caste system was made rigid, NOT BECAUSE ALL BRAHMINS WERE CORRUPT. The caste system was made rigid because it was believed that when a certain family has the son learning from his father, that would not only cut back societal expenses on education but also introduce expertise in the society. However, as with any event in history, This had negative consequences too. My ancestors did not mean harm. But, I believe that expertise is not produced by son learning from father but by facing difficulties in life..nepotism sucks.
Castes were never allotted by birth in the past.. It was decided by karma but later those in power at their own convenience deliberately misinterpreted the whole Vedas to serve their purpose... The present caste system is fucked up and we are responsible for it...?It's already commanded in our scriptures to update our smritis( Manusmriti to Yagnivalkya to now Mitakshara and Dayabaga) like Puranas, Shastras and kavyas from time time with evolution in Human material and spiritual expereince. That's why we have so many interpretations of Ramayana and Sitayana, and that's why we are not hesitant to accept the Indian Constitution as one of our latest shastras and part of our religion. No Hindu can deny this. But can we expect the same from self claimed all time perfect Abrahamic religions too?
Religion was not responsible for this menace of Caste System , rather manipulations and deliberate misinterpretations of Varna and Jati vyavastha in Social Structure were.
We self claimed Brahmans who don't want others to read Vedas and expose our greed, whose ancestors had cunningly manipulated our Shrutis(Vedas and Upnishads which are Universally Eternal and Fundamental that can't be changed) and didn't update Smritis (Shastras, Puranas and Kavyas) in greed so that the power, wealth, land and knowledge can be centralized (based on birth) and not decentralized in different sections of society based on individual skills or abilities, should come in front and lead the revolution of uprooting this Caste System from our society and accept ourselves as Hindu first and Hindu last. Regarding Smritis which are commanded to be updated in the sciptires itself, I would like to add that although Manusmriti was updated to Yagvalkya and then to Meetakshara and Daybaga School of Thoughts, but from then on we have been stagnant for last 1000-1500 years and never really cared to update and contexualized them in a more logical, spiritual and scientfic way. Similalrly, Puranas and Shastras too were not updated along with Human evolution and time. However, kavyas like Ramayna and Mahabharat, being 2 mahakavyas were interpreated many times in various ages according to one's own way of looking at things.
Although the Jati vyvastha was based on state level to ensure that Children who inherit traditional skills from their parents can produce more in quality and quantity, but according to Varna vyvastha in puroshoktm (which came after Manusmriti and which was deliberately not made popular or accessed to every section of society), a child from any family holds all the right to be Brahman if he owes intellectual skills, or to be Kshtriya if he owes fighting skills even if his father has some skills other than that of Kshtriya. And that's why the weaver jati, steel making jati, goldsmiths, porters etc were not poor in dated History until 17th century. But since this Varna vyavastha and jati vyavastha which were very much logical and practical have been intoxicated to such a large extent now that we should not be thinking of reverse engineering these systems. Rather we should consider ourselves as Hindu first and Hindu last. We should continuously evolve our smritis(scriptures) with time on the basis of science and spiritual experience as it is already said in the scriptures, instead of being frozen and still like Abrahamic religions.
You can also verify that-
Purusha sukta from Rig veda says -" As mentioned in Rigveda 9.112.3,
' Karu-raham-tato-bhisag upal-pakshini-nanah,
Nana-dhiyo vasu-yavo-anu-gaayiv tashthi-mindrayandu-parishravaha'
which means ki Varna ka shabdik meaning hai rung (color) aur shastro me trigun(3 personality virtues). Yani satva, rajo aur tamo naam ki mano-sthiti ya mano-dasha(psyche) ko varna yani rungo k madhyam se v darshaya jata hai. Isliye satva ko safed (white), rajas ko laal (red) aur tamash ko krishna yani kaale (black) rung se abhivyakt kiya jata hai. Jab manushya apne astitva (existence) k liye kabhi jungli pashuo se aur kabhi dusre samooho (groups) k aakraman (attack) se fight kar raha tha, aisi vyavastha me jo satva guun pradhan(dominant) the jinhone society k samajik (social) or aadhyatmik (spiritual) marg-darshan ka jimma (responsibility) uthaya, they were called Brahman. Jo rajo guun dominant the, yoddha (warrior) the, veer the, yuddh me kushal aur nirbhik (fearless) the, jinhone apne samaj apne samudaay (community) ki raksha (defense) ki jimmedari uthayi, they were called Kshatriya. Jo rajo aur tamo guun pradhan the, jinhone samaj k paalan-poshan, bhojan aur rojmarra (daily needs) ki zarurato ki jimmedari li, they were called vaisya (business class). aur jo tamo guun pradhan the, inhone apne samaj apne samudaay ki sewa (service) ki jimmedari uthayi, they were called as shudra. "
What did rishi Yagyavalkya say to king Janak of Mithila province in Brihadaranyako Upanishad in reply to the question( What does a man become like and how does he behave after knowing the eternal truth brahma?) of Acharya Gohan- "Jo brahm ko jaan chuka hai, wohi brahman ban jata hai fir chahe woh is dhara (earth) par kahi bhi kisi k v ghar me paida hua ho, baki koi brahman nahi hai, wo sab mrityu (death) aur shok (sorrow) k grasit hain. Brahm ko jaan lene k baad jo bhukh(hunger)-pyas(thirst), janm(birth)-mrityu(death) aur shok(mourn)-moh(worldly desires and attachments) ki kaamna se mukt(free) hokar bhiksha( begging) par nirvah karta hai, wahi brahman hai. )", which means Varna k is vyavastha ka apne pracheen (ancient) ruup (form) me janm se koi sambandh nahi tha. Aur agar Varna vyavastha Janm pe aadharit nahi hai, toh fir Janm se koi mahan aur koi heen kaisa?Mai uus vyavastha k khilaf hu jo pratyek manushya ko samajik aur adhyatmik uutkarsha ka awsar(equal opportunity) na de.
All of us are born shudras, with knowledge we have to become brahman and then end up as one with the eternal. Every person should have an equal right to choose his/her profession kyoki wahi purusharth(only a metaphor here) hai aur shram(profession) ka vibhajan(distribution) kisi ek varna k adikar me nahi add ho sakta.Har vyakti me aseem sambhavnae hain aur unhi sambhavnao ka dwar kholna hi varna vyavastha hai.
This was the reason why Bhargavram (popularly known as Parshuram) despite of being born in a brahman family, could hold farsa(sword) in his hand as Kshtriyas.
This was the reason why Valmiki despite of being born in a Kshatriya family could become Brahman and got the upadhi of Maharishi for his intellectual and spiritual knowledge.
This was the same reason why Karna despite of being nourished by a fisherwoman was allowed to learn shastrakala(Fighting skills) as warriors.
This was the same reason why Valmiki despite of being a son of fisherwoman and himself being a lootera(robber) could get the seat of vyas and become famous as vedavyasa after getting transformed and knowing brahma (the eternal truth).
This was the same reason why Kalidas despite of coming from lakarhara (woodcutter) family got the upadhi of Mahakavi(The great Poet) after getting transformed from a foolish man to Kalibhakta.
And this was again the same reason why Ravana despite of being born in a North Indian Brahman family, got the adjective of Rakshasa and later on got punished by Rama who was a Kshatriya, and no brahman had any problem against this."
The same has been told by bhagvan Mahavir (in Uttaradhyana Satra) too-
"Kammuna brahamano hoi,
Kammuna hoi Khatriyo,
Vaisyo kammuna hoi,
Suddo havai kammuna"
which means it is the good and bad actions of a person and not his birth that determines his Varna.
Similarly, bhagwan Buddha ne v Sutta nipata 9.57,58 me isi ko support kiya hai-
" na Jachcha brahmano hoti, na jachcha hoti abrahmano(unbrhamnic);
kammuna hoti brahmano, te piko hoti kammuna"
and in Sutta nipta 7.21,22- " na jachcha vasli hoti, na jachcha hoti brahamno;
kammuna vaslo hoti, kammuna hoti brahmano"
which again mean ki Varna vyavastha me koi mahaan aur koi heen nahi. Jaise mastak(head), bhujao(arms), jangho(thighs) aur pairo(legs) ka ek vyakti k kalyan k liye ek sath kaam karna aawasyak hai, usi prakar samaj k kalyan k liye ek sath kaam karna aawsyak hai, usi prakar samaj k kalyan k liye sabhi varno ki samanya ruup se aawsyakta hai. For eg, Milk, Ghee, 'Chhanchh', Curd, etc all belong to the same family, but their values are different.
Anchor is awesome
Thank you very much
Super speech by Maa Venkatesan garu
If we allow ourselves to think, there are too many similarities between current situation and in EVR's time (as Maa Venkatesan ji said). Then, when Brahmins were being attacked, confused tamilans didn't speak. Now when Anti-Hindus and Anti-nationals are trying to destroy our unity through JNU etc..., We, Hindus and Indians, are also not speaking. History will always repeat itself again and again. Only those, who learned from history, will stand strong and survive.
excelwnt work.sir
If one has only about a minute, the example (in English) beginning @~1:29:17 might be a good take-away.
Those who follow English and Tamizh will take more out of this rather rare panel discussion, in my opinion.
Which verse of Paripadal says the people of Madurai woke-up by listening Vedas?
Most eye opening part was Shaivite matt enjoying insult of Vaishnava. Humans are stupid
imran atheist You have ignored the rest of the talk & focus on this one point
Jago Bharath veero Jago
The panelists are ok but why you didn't any dravidian speakers in this discussion
The word caste is used by scholars here. They should also highlight and stress on we have varna and jati... And word caste is a west construct to divide and rule.
Better upload their papers, for critical study, to know what sources, they have mentioned.
The speakers / paper presenters appear to be delivering “political’ discourses on “stages”. And they were never seen in any of the History Forums like IHC, SIHC etc…..
Particularly, when they mention certain “Christians” inculturation, dialogue etc., it is not clear as to whether they have done any field study, interviewed them, interacted with them etc…
Gud job Mancha
5:55
That's why we need to get rid of the world "secular" which Indira Gandi added to the preamble. Before you do anything else now, go see the definition of secular, it will just take a second if you Google it!
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Devapriyaji's talk was incoherent at several places, too many times the topic was disrupted by his interjection of "I mean"..
The different kazhagams taking pride in attaching 'dravidian' in their names shiuld wind up if their leaders (Thalaivars) are true to their salt. They should of course give up their "dravidianism" -- and publc loot and property grabbing through intimidations - while ruling or sharing power, That is the only logically warranted thing after this unbiassed and crystal clear expose of the hocus pocus due to EV Ramasami
DESTRUCTION OF A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY..!!
India was a prosperous peaceful society with social equality with vwey high social values and human values..! Even wars were fought with meticulous rules away from public at an earmarked battlefield..!
Afyer 1857 Sepoy mutiny, the chrishitian invaders knew that Cultural Affinity and Social Equality were the main reasons for High Valour and Strong Unity among the Sepoys..!
So they thought unless they destroy the cultural.affinity and create social.inequality, they cant continue their Rule in India..!
The Social equality was destroyed by chrishitian invaders by bringing in Criminal Tribes Act 1871 and our society was divided by force. We were forced to practice social atrocities on such legally sidelined Tribes..!
Such people branded as Criminal Tribes (later as Dalits) were separated from mainstream society. They were prevented to enter villages, to take water from wells etc., thus introducing untouvhability too..! Those who stealthily helped them access to village on those initial days of the implementation of Law were severely punished..!
Thus through law the chrishitian invaders successfully implemented social discrimination since1871 and later after 3 generations(60 years) when it bacame an accepted social practice, they started putting the blame on our own society since 1930s. By that time there were hardly anyone in society who knew what was the actual society in 1871.(Those who were about 10 years age at 1871 were about 70 in 1930s and mostly were dead )
In 1930s, They organised Round Table Conference to pose as though they were saviours of Criminal Tribes, and now they branded them as Dalits and lower caste..and wanted to give them special favours while sidelining Brahmans by branding them.as upper caste. Thus the seeds for our cultural destruction was sown.
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Meanwhile, in 1871 they also tampered our Occupation based Varna Social system and converted it into Birth based Caste Certification system.
Brahmans were tacitly shifted out from their occupation and given lucurative jobs. They not only deprived indhuism of its scholars but also got native manpower to rule.
Social inequality was thus promoted by promoting few by giving good positions while depriving others by branding them as Criminal Tribes..!
Simultaneously, they kept silently destroying Sanskrit, vedagamas, goshalas, etc., since 1857 in well organised manner. Most of the indhu scholars were killed or sent to Cellular jail in Andhaman to get murdered. Scholars like Tagore who delinked Sanskrit from indian literature were promoted..!
Though initially since 1870s Brahmans were given jobs, later, since 1930s, the chrishitian invaders and their agents reversed their stand creating a hostile atmosphere against Brahmans and Indhu priests. They took over control of Temples in 1938 so that Temples can be deprived of its Artistes, Priests, Lands, Ornaments, etc., .
After independence too anti brahman atmosphere was continued. The priests and scholars were further discouraged and sidelined so that their next generation was demotivated from becoming religious scholars ..! Also Atmosphere was created so that they move out to chrishitian nations..! This too helped the chrishitian invaders in two ways. One to destroy our cultural basement and another to chrishitianise the third generation descendants of our indhu scholars in an alien environment..!
After Independence, The continuation of the chrishitian rule indirectly through their own Agents within Congress ensured nonstop anti-indhu govt activities and further propagation of chrishitianity within India..!
Now, most casteist leaders, intermediary cults and fake swamijis are all funded from defence budget of US UK etc., Naxalites and Conversions are also similarly funded by Defence Budget of Chrishitian Nations.
We need to expose the whole long term Chrishitian Agenda of Destruction of Our Society and Culture.
In 1857, after Sepoy mutiny, they have deviced a 10 generation plan (200years) to destroy our culture in-toto and make us chrishitian church slaves by 2057..!
Beware..this is a well planned Reinvasion War..!!
Are we going to fight it out or silently turn into chrishitian slaves ??
1947 was Fake Freedom. It was a Ploy to stop the Freedom Struggle and trick us to believe as though Chrishitian Rule has ended.
Unless we erase Church Slavery, we are not a Free Nation. Through Church, the Foreigners will indulge more and more in our Politics and Governance and also control every aspect of our life once we get converted..!
Are we to lose our Great Motherland and our Future Generations to Chrishitian Slavery again ? Are we going to give up the hard earned Freedom ?
Remember only our Cultural Security is our National Security..!!
Bharat Matha ki Jai..!!
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Blaming Brahmins for all the ills by Dravidian politicians are a cover up for their misdeeds in Dravidian parties rules ,these political parties completely destroyed Tamil culture
we need to go back to Gauda = north of Vindhya and Dravida = south of Vindhya or the "South Indians" should wife all the references to Agastya and Lopamudra !!!!!!!!!
Why Swadeshi indology doesn't include tamil literature? Why focus on only antiquity of Sanskrit? Why lacking focus in the south?
Are you people even ready to accept if Tamil is older than sanskrit?
Are you people ready to accept if Tamil or south Indian civilization is older and gave birth to saraswati civilization?
shree hari can you focus on the content what is written in Tamil classics rather than the futile debate of what is old?
shri hari dumbo...have you watched the video ???? they are talking about all from 2nd century BC to Subramanium Bharathi.
don't make a mockery of yourself.
shree hari
I can see where you come from. We will short ot as to which one is old.
But are you ready to except EVRa and Dravida movements are christian missionaries hiden groups ?
great question! they will never answer
ram0210 yup I have no problem in accepting that.
It is a pity that intellectuals who were honest did not just leave Tamil Nadu and rebutt these from outside the state.
If you are passive, you are the loser.
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Ma venkatesan asks what's the connection between mudukullathur caste violence and brahmins? Well there's no direct connection but the very philosophical base for caste was created by brahmins
Unfortunately this is a widely held misconception. Scholars scream out loud that it is not the case but people continue to hold this erroneous view. The Brahmins did NOT device caste. The Vedas themselves speak of 4 varnas, based on vocation. Dharmasastras such as Manu Dharma sastra was written by Manu, a Kshatriya, from the administrative point of view. Any discrimination on basis of caste may have been first perpetrated by those other than Brahmin. Racism is not inherent in Indian society.
All this is wrong history . Caste was imposed on India by British after revolt of 1857 by a man called Lord Riseley who was sent from England . He created Heiarchy of castes in India . In India they blamed Brahmins .
Read Breaking India . Being Different . Academic Hinduphobia . All conflicts and wars in past century were started from.Europe . All wrong propaganda was done . End game was Conversion . British wanted to destroy Indian civilisation they knew indians were proud people .
How caste system came into India .
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When colonial powers rule over other countries they justify that rule to their ppl back home by blaming that country . In India they blamed Brahmins .
pure BJP presentation
Tamil has nothing to do with Sanskrit. Sanskrit has been classified as a proto-iranian language to this day. In fact sanskrit is not a Indian language at all. However, it is clearly established that Tamil is the original native language of India. Now a big question arises before me. Why the Indian government ruled by brahmin walas hell bent on spreading Hindi which itself is a mix of Arabic, Pashtun, Turkic, Parsi and other middle eastern languages?
Tamil and Sanskrit are different but ancient languages of India. No doubt in that fact. But they have been interacting for centuries. Many Sanskrit works have been translated to Tamil and Tamils have contributed to the development of Sanskrit. Tamil Works have been also translated to Sanskrit also. Tamil literature from the Sangam period has the references on Vedas, Yajnas, Puranas, Mahabharata and Ramayana. There is very clearcut continuity in culture and civilization of India across linguistic states and regions. For the convenience of Eurocentric rootless Abrahamics, we need not deny the relationship between Sanskrit.
'Vedic philosophy" goes hand in hand with Tamil philosophy. Can you spell out the difference? Nobody can because there is no difference. Even today most people are bilingual and multilingual in this country; that does not make each language a different culture.
Yes, Tamil and Sanskrit are equally ancient, each contributed to the development of the other but we do not have track of the exact manner.
As a Tamilian, I am also happy to say that perhaps Tamil is older, but the fact is that the Rg Veda is the most ancient literature that we have.
We modern citizens should stop bickering over speculation and be more accepting of "Tamil culture" and "Sanskrit culture" being one.
There is no question of imposing any language. If you want to get educated, then learn the language, that is all.
Sanskrit is not Indo-Iranian, It is as much Indian as Tamil. As Kannada and Telugu and Malayalam evolved out of Tamil, Sanskrit evolved out of an proto language which evolved in areas around Kashmir. Proto-Avestan and Sanskrit co-evolved before tribes migrated to Iran and then it evolved separately from Sanskrit. Same thing happened to dravidian languages, however those languages stayed in India unlike other Indo- European languages.
well said Sharda!
"Sanskrit is not a Indian language at all" - the funniest statement I have come across :)))