Panel Discussion on the Current state of Aryan Theories

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  • @checksumvids
    @checksumvids 6 років тому +46

    From today I am going to say I don’t even know 0.000000001% Sanathaa Dharmam... Thanks you infinity foundation for opening my eyes.
    Jai Shriram.

  • @drooleybob
    @drooleybob 6 років тому +43

    Wonderful. Even when there is a final nail on the coffin of this ridiculous theory, it keeps ghouling about like an undead zombie.
    Keep making videos like this until this falsehood dies down, along with the entire nonsensical dravidian movement.

  • @PankajKumar-yq1uk
    @PankajKumar-yq1uk 6 років тому +17

    Truth always prevails. God bless these dharmic scholars as they become able to protect our Dharma and Rashtra

  • @kalpeshjain3991
    @kalpeshjain3991 6 років тому +16

    there is a tremendous amount of work is done by these pioneers in the panel. Need is to continue this work, teach new intellectuals who are passionate on this topic and suggest a change in narrative.

  • @PhaniSharma2111
    @PhaniSharma2111 6 років тому +34

    Was present for this conference. Excellent talks and panels overall. It's high time all Dharmics take this cause seriously and spread the message everywhere. We have to take back our narrative and history. We have so much scholarship on it already and it's time more people go into these areas and relentlessly work towards dismantling the pseudo-science/history present in these fields. I'll be doing my bit, whichever way possible. We all should too.

  • @malarrganesan2008
    @malarrganesan2008 6 років тому +7

    Tremendous amt of coordination of knowledgeable and passionate scholars who are effortlessly putting their info to better understand

  • @sanjaygowda932
    @sanjaygowda932 6 років тому +8

    wow....wow....and...wow!!!....I so wanna know more about these things.... seems like all our dates of origin of Dharma would be proved wrong and the dates given by the Vedas will be proved right!!!!

  • @sandeeptiwari7157
    @sandeeptiwari7157 4 роки тому +1

    That's awsemoe.
    I can watch such debates for hours.
    This 1hour didn't made me bore .
    Keep going rajiv sir.

  • @rajkumarrishi1
    @rajkumarrishi1 6 років тому +8

    I was eagerly waiting for this. First person to comment. And now watching it. Wowwww.

  • @-vajradatta-8359
    @-vajradatta-8359 5 років тому +4

    21:54 Regarding the horse in India, the rock art in Bhimbetka that depict horses are 30,000 to 40,000 years old from the Paleolithic age. So-called Aryan invasion was supposed to happen only 3,500 years ago.

  • @technocrat6184
    @technocrat6184 6 років тому +7

    Good to see such good people giving presentation .

  • @divyavichar
    @divyavichar 6 років тому +8

    I think Hindutva warriors should work on both fronts, one which asserts (and proves) that there was no Aryan invasion/migration and the other that preserves the Hindu narrative regardless of the racial origins.

  • @kaustubhpendharkar4283
    @kaustubhpendharkar4283 6 років тому +5

    This was fantastic! Thank you for the insights. Especially the debate relating to linguistics.

  • @kavithagurappaji7319
    @kavithagurappaji7319 5 років тому +2

    BRAVO! BRAVO! BRILLIANT! METALLURGY. COULD NOT BE MORE REAL DR. KALYAN RAMAN. LORD SHIVA BROUGHT THIS HOLY KNOWLEDGE TO US. HE WAS REAL AND STARTED THE RUK'' VEDIC AGE. MORE THAN 75.000. YRS AGO. FUNNY NO ONE CONSIDERS THE AUSTRALIAN MIGRATION THEORY AS I AM A SOUTH INDIAN WITH AUSTRALIAN, MELANESIAN AND CHINESE VIETNAMESE GENES WITH SOUTH ASIAN''GENES.

  • @hareshbgpatel
    @hareshbgpatel 6 років тому +5

    Please some eligible people update stuff in Wikipedia .. Today it has become a first source of knowledge for many people ..

    • @cosmicallyspeaking871
      @cosmicallyspeaking871 6 років тому +7

      Rajiv Malhotra has talked about this in his writings. Wikipedia is owned by Americans and they alone retain the rights to change or decide what is right and wrong. When you try to update things, they would always reference the western theories, theologians, researchers as their source. How do you tackle that? That in itself is an issue.

  • @biswajitpramanik1415
    @biswajitpramanik1415 6 років тому

    The panel discussion was highly informative and makes us proud of our civilization.
    However, at the end of Panel Discussion, Dr S Kalyanaraman stated that carbon is used to convert molten Iron to Steel. Whereas, in metallurgy, Carbon is used to convert ( ie, Reduction) Iron Ore (ie, Iron oxide ) to Iron and Oxygen is used to convert ( ie, Oxidation ) Iron to Steel by way of decreasing (%) of the Carbon, Silicon, Manganese, Phosphorous etc in molten Iron.

  • @priyakulkarni9583
    @priyakulkarni9583 5 років тому

    What is abundantly clear is that we are a multi-source civilization, not a single-source one, drawing its cultural impulses, its tradition and practices from a variety of lineages and migration histories. The Out of Africa immigrants, the pioneering, fearless explorers who discovered this land originally and settled in it and whose lineages still form the bedrock of our population; those who arrived later with a package of farming techniques and built the Indus Valley civilization whose cultural ideas and practices perhaps enrich much of our traditions today; those who arrived from East Asia, probably bringing with them the practice of rice cultivation and all that goes with it; those who came later with a language called Sanskrit and its associated beliefs and practices and reshaped our society in fundamental ways; and those who came even later for trade or for conquest and chose to stay, all have mingled and contributed to this civilization we call Indian. We are all migrants.

  • @ravindrababu7231
    @ravindrababu7231 5 років тому +2

    Astronomy and Gotra (peoples indexing system) of our ancient India has connection pl explore.

  • @skumar093728
    @skumar093728 6 років тому +2

    I liked it very much.

  • @ramkrishnadas4230
    @ramkrishnadas4230 6 років тому +8

    How can they assert with confidence that spoked wheels were invented in 2200 BC or whichever date it is? One can only claim, no spoked wheels earlier than 2200 BC has been found.

    • @nileshoak4749
      @nileshoak4749 6 років тому +14

      You are absolutely right. This is due to confusion of equating 'absence of evidence with evidence of absence.
      This is the point of disagreement (mild yet very critical at the same time) between Shri Shrikant Talageri ji and myself. Do recognize that while we have 'Vichar- bhed' on this point, we do not have 'Mana-bhed' or 'mission- bhed' when it comes to nonsense of AIT dogma.

    • @sadenb
      @sadenb 6 років тому +2

      I am starting to think that Mahabharata is pre-Harappa .

    • @siddhantsingh6076
      @siddhantsingh6076 6 років тому

      @@nileshoak4749 nilesh ji have you gone through sh marugendra vinods dis-covery that will give nightmares to so-called harrapan scholars 🤣🤣

  • @adityanjsg99
    @adityanjsg99 6 років тому

    Rajiv ji is back.

  • @ravindrababu7231
    @ravindrababu7231 5 років тому +1

    Astronomy gotra People of India - a connectivity .

  • @sadenb
    @sadenb 4 роки тому

    Shrikant Talageri has the most convincing argument. He used the same theories of Witzel and turned it against him.

  • @MsRkshukla
    @MsRkshukla 4 роки тому +1

    Unless we change our textbook, we are loosing this battle to those moolniwasi n Dravidian theorist.

  • @dheerajpimoli9539
    @dheerajpimoli9539 6 років тому +1

    Does rig Veda also tell about non spoked wheels iwant to ask this question

  • @kunalpandey7189
    @kunalpandey7189 4 роки тому

    good....good....

  • @thirdeye7549
    @thirdeye7549 5 років тому

    There were two branches of Ariyans. One is mother way called Ma'Ariyan or Mariyan. Second is Father way called Pa'Ariyan or Pariyan. Pariyan is the clan of Lord Rudra Pariyan from Pariha (The land of Paris/angels), the present Iran.

  • @rahulchawla6256
    @rahulchawla6256 4 роки тому

    This discussion is too small. Couldn’t get much out of these great scholars here.
    Hopefully next video will be 3-4 hours long.

  • @anupamjain8140
    @anupamjain8140 4 роки тому +1

    Dire need to change the teachings in schools and colleges as also in IAS entrance and training institute.

  • @ravindrababu7231
    @ravindrababu7231 5 років тому

    People or demographic theories of ancient Indians can also take into consideration the gotra system of our ancient times. It was considered to the best indexing system of our ancient people. It can be connected to DNA studies, linguistic studies, ethnoarchaeological studies etc., Thus Aryan and Dravidian arguments or theories and inter migrations of ancient people can be well studies. Thank you.

  • @mahabharat4985
    @mahabharat4985 6 років тому +1

    Subscribed.

  • @Bharatvarsh001
    @Bharatvarsh001 6 років тому

    What's the meaning of starting Sanskrit lines.

  • @jeromedelacour5692
    @jeromedelacour5692 6 років тому +2

    Yeah - first to comment & like!

  • @jorgikralj905
    @jorgikralj905 5 років тому +2

    Talking about Europe 3000bc is quite silly. In time of beginings of Indus civilisation was 'mother godness' civilisation over Europe, manly on area, where now Slavs are! And Slavic languages, Slovenian the most, are more simillar to Rig sanskrit than westeren Europe languages!!! Slavs have a lot of naratives of old times, so called golden age, but like Vedas all these were writen Quite late and before oran transmitted. And it is Quite clear, that peoples from east (KURGAN PEOPLE) came to peacefull Old Europe in change genom structure, not to speak od culture, enomuslly! So Slovenians nad Rig Veda must have some common point in past- based on DNA, language, naratives, late writing,....!

  • @pabslondon
    @pabslondon 4 роки тому

    There are also tin deposits in central asia near the Bactria Margiana complex

  • @vkumar1170
    @vkumar1170 4 роки тому

    Talageri is absurd to compare spread of buddhism with spread of a language.
    Religion can spread independently based on discourse, but language almost always spreads due to population movement in older times where there was no universal education or ideas as started happening after the 17th century.

  • @ronhak3736
    @ronhak3736 5 років тому +2

    Replace Aryan by Hittites and Iranians.

  • @sohanveergurjar8187
    @sohanveergurjar8187 6 років тому

    Nice sir

  • @mosesgummadi
    @mosesgummadi 6 років тому +1

    Latest scientific paper (came a week after this video is posted) proves the Aryan (Steppe pastoralists) ancestry of the priestly class, and that they arrived after Indus Valley Civilisation began. Here’s Tony Joseph’s article explaining in plain words the contents of this paper. www.thequint.com/voices/opinion/genomic-study-vedic-aryan-migration-dravidian-languages-sanskrit

    • @tejasvi18joshi
      @tejasvi18joshi 6 років тому +2

      this is same hula gula by anti Hindu gang.

    • @cosmicallyspeaking871
      @cosmicallyspeaking871 6 років тому +3

      Moses Gummadi ~ That article by Tony Joseph is absolute bunkum! Full of inaccuracies, false theories that have no scientific basis. It doesn't take much to figure that out.

    • @satyamevjayathep8796
      @satyamevjayathep8796 6 років тому

      Thes Hindu nationalists are hiding the truth. If you have common sense, you can see with the naked eye that we are all mixed race.

    • @shrirambhandari1463
      @shrirambhandari1463 4 роки тому

      @@satyamevjayathep8796 mixed race proves nothing actually. We are aware of Sakas and Huns coming in, why can we not say that migrations happen from here. Then they came back and mixed. See please don't give baseless arguments.

  • @ronhak3736
    @ronhak3736 5 років тому

    DNA obtained from an Indus Valley site in Rakhigarhi lacked the steppeland genes that are strongly associated with high-caste North Indian populations today.

    • @chaitanyatalegaonkar8629
      @chaitanyatalegaonkar8629 4 роки тому

      South Asian populations have the highest STR diversity within R1a1a,[27][28][7][3][1][29] and subsequent older TMRCA datings,[note 11] and R1a1a is present among both higher (Brahmin) castes and lower castes, although the presence is higher among Brahmin castes.[1][29] From these findings some researchers have concluded that R1a1a originated in South Asia,[28][1][note 12][note 13] excluding a substantial genetic influx from Indo-European migrants.[28][27][3]

  • @technocrat6184
    @technocrat6184 6 років тому

    Starting vale portion me audio problem he

  • @deepakishere-e1d
    @deepakishere-e1d 6 років тому +1

    Why to use english as a medium, and if in a diverse lands of ours we ourselves have not been able to develop an indeginous language, it clearly refers to our incompetency as a viable civilization

  • @cypher1308
    @cypher1308 6 років тому +1

    One more logical evidence that rejects Aryan Invasion Theory
    As stated in AIT/AMT 1500 BCE is not so ancient, and considering first Sanskrit text written in 4000 BCE & all North Indians following Sanskrit as their sacred language, also Fair skinned Indus Valley people,...the migration should've been finished by 7000 BCE.
    If Aryans migrated in 1500 BCE & their original language was Proto-Indo-European, and Sanskrit is a derivative of that language....then how we've our oldest Sanskrit text written in 4000 BCE.
    This seriously questions the integrity of Aryan Migration theory ! Also never forget how west has portrayed "Alexander as winner of the battle of Hydaspes, spared the life of Porus, gave him his empire back, turned back & died in the path with some illness !" These kind of lame theories question the integrity of western historians.

  • @ReddyAlwaysReady
    @ReddyAlwaysReady 6 років тому

    G

  • @joemontana8290
    @joemontana8290 6 років тому +1

    Theory:
    Europe Asia
    Both native asians and native Europeans had their culture superimposed with PIE culture. Why on earth is this racist or difficult to understand.

  • @KannapiranArjunan-vm2rq
    @KannapiranArjunan-vm2rq 6 років тому +1

    Welcome to Hindutva politics to rewrite the History but wrongly. Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) must be evidence based not emotion or Hindutuva mission based. Irrespective of AIT is true or false, we Indians love each other live peacefully with diversity of religions and races. Thats the greatness of India the world must learn from India. A Tamil author Kaniyan Poonguntrnar wrote some 2000 years ago "Yadum voorae Yavarum Keelir"..means the globe is our home and all human beings are our family members. A great wisdom adopted by many countries from this verses. Having said that let us go inside AIT.
    Hitler claimed he is Aryan and that aryan was instrumental for huge human destruction in history. DARIUS THE Iranian king declared himself as Aryan and invaded northern India and thats how many pakistani look like persian and so also many north Indian ..but they are our brothers sisters irrespective of their caste, religion. "yaadumvoorae yavarum kelir .. "( A Tamil poet Kaniyan Pponguntrnar wrote some 2000 years).. . Rig veda provide evidence of Aryan invasion " Oh Indra you killed and chased out the black skinned short people ( Dravidian?) from Indus" ..Rig veda is a version of Iranian or Aryan "Vendida " a text of Zoroastrian...Be a proud hindu after trashing or denouncing all vedas, Manusmriti, Puranas and keep the nobility of hindu religion...more we read or probe into puranas or vedas more will be the damage done to hinduism...just like Da vinci code in Christianity.
    Some more points;
    1. DNA map of India reveals Indian population has Aryan and dravidian genome of different proportion. Most North Indians have more Aryan genes and south Indian more of Dravidian gene. SOME brahmin sect have more aryan gene. In south many iyengars are non bramins converted to iyengars by Ramanjuar. 2. North Indian languages are Indo-Aryan or Indo-european not indian but Dravidian is native to india starting from Indusvalley. 3. Whole of India was having dravidian as mother tongues because non bramins and ladies including brahmin ladies (panchamas according to Manusmriti!) should not read or talk or learn Sanskrit. Sanskrit is derived from dravidian and modified for rituals. Thats why its called a perfected (from dravidian) language so there are more than 40% substrates from Dravidian used in sanskrit.
    According to Ramanuja if illusion dominates then we cannot reach parapramom! The seeds for all vedas are from Tamil veda according to the vaishnava Saint Andal ( vedam anaithukkum vithakum kothai tamil).
    ---

    • @siddharthsiddharth7106
      @siddharthsiddharth7106 6 років тому +8

      It is remarkable how people of India were led by the nose regarding aryan dravidian made in Europe , which was later used for conversion by the church

    • @praveenreddy2416
      @praveenreddy2416 6 років тому

      Source please

    • @maverky1972
      @maverky1972 5 років тому

      Unfortunately, it is not just Indians but westerners in the garb of practicing ' Vedic/Hindu Astrology' believe they are 'Aryans'. Here is a screenshot of my conversation with one such western Astrologer with the handle 'Eyé of the veda'. I have documented many such instances.
      imgur.com/a/XUjmXqd

    • @mauktikkul6845
      @mauktikkul6845 5 років тому +1

      @@maverky1972
      Hint of racism on his statement
      😂 This white ego will soon be destroyed

  • @pabslondon
    @pabslondon 4 роки тому

    Talageri can't talk properly

  • @teepee431
    @teepee431 6 років тому

    At 7. 30: it is indeed "applied" that the inhabitants of Britain were IE-speaking people from the outside. What is wrong with you people? Why can't you follow where truth takes you? Satyameva jayate. Duh?

  • @alekskaran8531
    @alekskaran8531 6 років тому +1

    There are so many things but I will start with only couple
    points:
    - Indo-European language does not exist. This is Serbian language.- Aryans are Serbs who in three occasions (about 4000, 3400 and 2400 years ago) invaded/migrated to India led respectively by three Serbian rulers - Nino Belov (Biblical Nimrod -> search Google: ‘serbian arms baghdad
    museum’), Serbo Makaridov (also mentioned in the Bible) and Alexander (i.e. Lesander Karanovic) Macedonian the Great. The last invasion was not called Aryans but he followed the steps of his predecessors, passing Persia (because Aryans in Iran).- Serbs are European indigenous people (like Australian Aborigines or American ‘Indians’ with almost the same destiny) - Serbian alphabet is 6000 years old, the language is much older (older than Latin, Greek and Hebrew), English and German
    languages are 800 and 600 years old!!!- Serbs lived between Baltic, Atlantic, Black Sea, Mediterranean, Asia Minor, northern Africa, Crete- For proponents that Sanskrit came from India - how Sanskrit could influence every corner of Serbian language? Who brought Sanskrit to Europe, where are descendants or any evidence or toponym? - What does it mean STAN (= Serbian word) in Pakistan, Hindustan, Rajasthan, Kurdistan, Kazakhstan, Baluchistan, etc? - All Slavic languages and nations evolved from Serbian roots70% Germans are of Serbian origin- Etruscans are Serbs who established Rome- Troya (Ilion - Ilya was the chief Serbian God) was Serbian town- Official version that Slavs (i.e. Serbians) came to Balkan in the 6th century is a historical lie without any supporting
    evidence and made all this confusion. - I know several hundreds identical words between modern Serbian and Sanskrit, some researchers assert - 40% are identical- In India there are hundreds of Serbian toponyms with same names as rivers and mountains in Serbia- There are Aryan descendants in India who still speak Serbian language- Etc, etc, etc…- The key question for everyone - why previous is not widely known? It seems, to the panellists - not known at all although it is a part of common history.- Ready to give more evidences if there is some interest. World history must be written again.

    • @dhimankalita1690
      @dhimankalita1690 6 років тому +6

      U wrote so much but tue sad thing is it's all bullshit....serbia has nothing to do with sanskrit nobody takes serbia seriously it's not even consider in any theories regarding the origin of sanskrit... You just want a place in indian culture and history... Stick with serbian culture don't steal other countries culture and language

    • @CowBhai
      @CowBhai 6 років тому +3

      All geography mentioned in Sanskrit texts are in India, confirmed by archaeological excavations. There is no connection to Serbia.

  • @SenthilKumar-ff2uy
    @SenthilKumar-ff2uy 6 років тому +3

    TALAGERI IS MAKING MORONIC STATEMENTS--TELL US OF THE SCRIPTS OF LANGUAGE!

    • @shrirambhandari1463
      @shrirambhandari1463 4 роки тому

      There is no rule that only if there is script the language is there.

  • @kumarjeevan3374
    @kumarjeevan3374 6 років тому +2

    dravidian language family is oldest living languages in world

    • @aloktandon2045
      @aloktandon2045 6 років тому +8

      kumar jeevan language may be but there is no dravid or aryan. only sanatan bharat varsh. come out of slumber and see above the weet propaganda to malign and devide dharma

    • @siddharthsiddharth7106
      @siddharthsiddharth7106 6 років тому +3

      Tamil yes , nobody is denying antiquity of Tamil language

    • @RK-dj4xb
      @RK-dj4xb 5 років тому

      There is no such thing as Aryan & Dravidian. Please try to enlighten yourself.

    • @raghavarvoltore6517
      @raghavarvoltore6517 5 років тому

      No its not. Please read this: www.academia.edu/27780697/The_Chronology_of_Ancient_India_Victim_of_Concoctions_and_Distortions_by_Vedveer_Arya

  • @KannapiranArjunan-vm2rq
    @KannapiranArjunan-vm2rq 6 років тому

    First written Sanskrit was found in Syria (analtolia) about 2500 years back and not in India. That proves east word movement of Sanskrit from Syria to India not westward movement as claimed by wishful Hindutva. In India even in 2300 yrs old Ashoka's (200 to 300BC) inscriptions there was no Sanskrit used! So its all Hindutva Aryan supremacist arguments that Sanskrit is native to India but its Indo-European orginginated in Anatolia. Westerners, being Aryans but not falsify Aryan supremacy, they reject that westward movement that is scientific history. The puranas and Hindutva wishful thinking are fallacy or dreams!. According to Sanskrit history only brahmin men can learn speak and read sanskrit.. that means brahmin ladies shouln't talk in sanskrit so also nonbrahmin should not learn or speak or write in sanskrit.. So Brahmin ladies and non brahmins only spoke a dravidian language! That means the lingua franca of all Indians must be Dravidian language.

    • @cosmicallyspeaking871
      @cosmicallyspeaking871 6 років тому +3

      Kannan Arjun ~ The word " Dravida " is a Sanskrit word for the geographical coordination, loosely translated as " landmass surrounded by 3 oceans". That is all it is. It is neither a race nor language. And what is wrong in Hindutva? Being a Hindu and Being part of Sanatana Dharma is Hindutva. And Sanskrit " itihaas " ( it is not history ) has countless number of examples where people from all Varnas - men AND WOMEN learned Sanskrit and become greatest of the great Artists, Rishis, Maharshis, Warriors, Scientists, Mathematicians, traders, farmers, agriculturists and so on. People from all Varna & social strata were able to learn Sanskrit and attain higher level of knowledge & skills. So your silly theory that only Brahmin men were allowed to learn Sanskrit falls flat right there. Varnas are decided by one's Gunas and not by lineage. You need to get back to some fact-based research and re-learn than just parrot what they taught you in schools/colleges, where syllabus is always based on theories of the so-called western scientists, who did nothing but concoct one false hypothesis after another. Peace!

    • @Rishi123456789
      @Rishi123456789 6 років тому +3

      I completely agree with you, Cosmically Speaking. Caste was never originally hereditary, it was originally only an organisation and categorisation of society based on occupation and what occupation you had was, in those ancient times, determined by whatever your predominant guna was. This is confirmed by Lord Krishna Himself (considered by many Hindus to be God Himself in a human form) when He says in the Bhagavad Gita: “According to the three gunas and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.”
      Furthermore, social mobility used to be the norm in India before Europeans arrived in India. Caste rigidity only occurred in India AFTER Europeans arrived in India. Also, all of the four castes were equally necessary for Vedic Civilisation to function properly. Kshatriyas are the arms, Brahmins are the head, Vaishyas are the thighs and Shudras are the feet. This is what the Vedic scriptures say and the message is that a person needs a head, arms, thighs and feet to properly function and that, in a similar way, society equally needs Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras to properly function.

    • @dhruva8538
      @dhruva8538 5 років тому +1

      Nice alternative world possibilities written by you
      Get into fiction writing