I have an ST and I would never hate on anyone who owns a Fiesta ST, RS or a Focus ST. We are all part of a unique club and we should encourage and support each other with knowledge and love. I have an idea? Let us adopt the Sister Sledge song "We Are Family" as our club song whenever we get together.
Took me a while to fully appreciate my ST. My biggest gripe was comparing it to AWD RS's and WRX's. All in all, it really is an amazing car for what it is. (Best in its class I believe) I also agree financially. People constantly ask "why didn't you get the RS bro?" And I respond with "do I look like I have an extra 10-15k laying around?" Lol Good video man.
fuck society , they always whant us to " do this" do that" . its very sinple, the ST is the car you like and enjoy . fuck society. Dont let society fool you .
For 3 to 4 grand, the ST can be made quicker than the RS. So performance isn't an issue with the ST. I would argue the engine and drivetrain is stronger and more reliable on the ST, so far.
James McClendon so from an st1(or even st2) to an rs1, what's the price difference? Quite a bit I'd say. I'm good man. Also I have traded in modded cars before. I'm well aware of what its value will probably be. I'm stuck with this car for a long time anyways haha
What I've discovered: you show up to a car meet in an ST and everyone laughs "it's just a focus." Show up in an RS and everyone stares in awe 😂 I love my ST though 💘
Alex Taylor yeah until the ST guy realizes he paid 25k and the RS guy paid 40k for a Focus lol. Those people at the car meets ain't gonna help pay your note! Also, the RS is old news at this point. Everyone is swooning over the civic type R these days. Car payments will last a lot longer than the appeal at cars & coffee.
Don't our so-called Stupid President believes in bringing jobs back to America Mr. buyusgoods? if he's stupid, I guess that makes you stupid too. Plus he's a financial genius! How about you? Do you have any luxury hi-rise towers named after you? I'll bet, you're too scared to talk crap against Obama because people might call you a racist! Lol!
Definitely not the only reason. I’ve gotten to a point (and age) where I really weigh my options anymore when it comes to a car that’s my daily driver. Once the “new car” feeling wears off I am doing all the same old crap with my car day to day. The price gap between an ST and RS is pretty large too. So if you just want something fun but practical as an everyday vehicle I see why people would pick an ST.
That is a pretty stupid comment. Hell I could have bought two RS if I was so inclined, but I bought an ST. Why? Because in my personal opinion $40k+ for a new hatchback is stupid. The RS is a beautiful and amazing machine, but the price is to much. I feel the same way about the Civic Type-R and it's pricing.
Word Maestro, please, before you make another idiotic post, do the following. First, please go read the definition of irony. Second, re-read the original bone headed post from the OP and re-read my response. Cost is the reason I didn't buy the RS, but not because I couldn't afford it. Obviously your reading comprehension is not that great.
20k in my brand new '17 ST1. A little over 3k in goodies and now she will whip ass on a new RS for far less cash...yeah, ST for the win in my opinion...just wait til I go 2869 turbo and run 12's for another 2k, still far less than the price of an RS and you won't see an ST that quick coming until it screams past ya. School's out.
love my ST, Ive owned many cars of this type and I typically feel the need to upgrade if a new model comes out or get the "R model" I love this thing how it drives, utility etc... Im keeping the ST3 which I paid $24k for out the door/taxes included; dude take my money!
The ST is one of my dream car's. I have a humble 2015 Ford Focus Titanium X 1.0 Ecoboost. Humble but smooth. Check out my channel if you want. Acceleration video's and more of my Focus. I'm subscribing your channel. Greetings from Norway :-)
In Hawaii the st sticker price is $30k but it sells for $36k (base) and the sticker price for the rs is $41k and sells for $52k (base). Damn Hawaii prices why you gotta be so high.
I have owned an ST since they first came out, in 2013, zero problems and I love it. I've been watching the RS and ST line in Europe for a long time, and now we finally have them. I would have got an RS but they said they were not bringing them to the US....lier's... I've been looking at them, but the price is harsh...and the leaking gasket issue is a real turn off. I'll wait until the fix all the issues then think about getting one. That engine is new in the RS, the ST has the tried and true pinto blocked 2.0, a proven race engine for years. Now if we could import the Sierra RS whale tail, or Mk 1 or Mk2.
Sharpsdoublerifle that’s how I feel about the RS right now as well. That’s a real issue it is having so I want to wait and see what the fix is and go from there. At the same time the interior is identical minus the seat materials so I feel like if I got another car I would want it to be totally different
Sorry old comments but i came across this. You guys really missed out on some of the best performance fords ever produced. The old sierra and escort rs cosworth's have a legendary following here in the uk. The original whale tail sierra cossie is fetching a £100k nowadays over here 😯. Never see them on the road i havent done for years. I assume all locked away in storage kept in mint condition. Also the mk1 focus rs is creeping up in price. The mk2 focus st and rs have their cult followers too. My friend had a mk2 st decatted and running full stage 3 many years back when we where barely 21yo. Insurance was astronomical and boy did it drink fuel! It was an animal though it really was! I seen a green mk2 rs on the road just a few weeks ago...that 5 pot volvo engine still sounds 👌. Music to the ears 😁. I had a mk7 fiesta a few years back great fun, i currently have mk3 focus running around 300bhp. Its quick although doesnt have that exhaust note we got with the mk2 though. Still great fun!
I just bought a 2013 stage 2 ST in June from a locally owned dealership. The owner of the dealership is a HUGE car guy who loves Focus STs. After my purchase, I went back to the dealership because the owner wanted to hear what the ST sounded like with the GReddy exhaust I put on it. He had an RS on the lot he wanted me to test drive to see what I thought about it. To be honest, the RS is the better car hands down. However, we both agreed there isn’t a super huge difference between a stock RS and a tuned ST. So if you can’t afford the RS, buy an ST and go stage 2 or 3 if possible. Of course it won’t be an RS, but it’ll be somewhat close to one.
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Very nice video explaining. Regardless of your decision I think anybody will truly fall in love with these hatchbacks. I own a 17 focus ST1 (lowest package) and I adoreeeeee the thing. So many aftermarket parts out there for these cars. ST’s are huge bang for your buck cars as well
I can give you a easy answer to why you should buy a ST or a RS. On the used market you can find a ST for 11k-16k and the RS us going to 28k minimum! If the added horsepower and all wheel drive seems worth the extra 12k go for it, but for me It just wasn't.
I weigh a 155 and i'm 5.7. The RS has nothing wrong with the ride quality at all. I have done every mode and all feel the same. Honestly could not love the way it feels on the road more.
K9 JSB I disagree %100...! I'm just being real...I can certainly afford one. As a daily driver, I would never have the opportunity to utilize the performance extras to their full capability on public streets without getting pulled over a few times a week nor is it smart or safe either. That's a fact a fact. Additionally, the cosmetic upgrades; I could selectively spend a few hundred dollars on personal custom options and be completely satisfied with the enhanced esthetics, again, personal factual preference. Lastly, the fuel difference in savings alone, over 5 yesrs, will alone pay for the upgrades you buy for your ST1, 2 or 3. I'm extremely happy with my decision to buy 2018 ST3...!!
Everyone has a opinion but most people are wrong :-) I like all the st' and rs. The people that don't have even drive or own a st or rs say about engine trouble etc, mine has been perfect, good vid cheers steve :-)
Yea I agree about the comments on engine issues. Very few ST's and RS's are having engine issues compared to how many are manufactured. Almost any car you buy these days is extremely reliable stock. When you tune the car is usually when the issues start
My co-worker and I often have this conversation. We both work for a Ford dealership. He has an ST. But I currently own an SE sedan with leather and ambient lighting. So, I love the ST but, since I like the features in my car, and I like the ST, if I decide to get an ST over a Mustang GT, I have to get at least an ST2
I recently test drove both the ST and RS....yes the RS has more power but the ST is equally nice minus the power. I'm leaning toward the ST. Not sure the RS is worth that big ass price tag.... nothing wrong with the ST, its a really nice hot hatch.
Yea I have thought about trading my ST in for the RS but the interior would make me feel like I was driving the same car so I think when I buy another car I will get something totally different
buildmorefarms100 yes it is worth: RS is all wheel drive , aseembled in germany , brembo brakes for track, 100 more hp, 19" forgued racing wheels with performance tires , performance exhaust , full racing damperig set up , racing steering wheel set up, drifting mode plus front spliter for down force, 20 seg overboost, factory 22.5 max turbo psi adn ST is 24.0000 , RS is 40.000 . Rs is for track , ST for street etc..
i used to have hw ST , wich is still a performance car, and i really enjoy it . jist keep your ST man , its such am amazing car. for me the RS was something special, something i've been waiting for so long.
Understated and mature looking, doesn't look like a boy racer car with vast wing and garish colours. Plus, FAR better bang for the buck. With a relatively small outlay you can boost this car to 300BHP with a few basic modifications professionally fitted, and, with an ATB limited slip diff, you can massively stabilise the front end and dial out the torque steer
My Local Ford dealerships keep contacting me to try out or by an RS. I haven't driven one yet (and I am sure I would want one...thats what happened going from a 2012 Titanium Sedan with a 5spd manual to my 2014 ST). But, let the staff at the dealerships know that I cannot justify the $60,000-$64,000 Canadian for one. I can buy his and hers Cadillac CTS-V's for that money (yeah, like 2008's, but you get the idea). Luckily for me, my ST came in on a trade in on a RS, so I got a 2014 ST3 with only 26,000 kilometers on the odometer, with 2 sets of rims and a couple of aftermatket mods for under $20,000 Canadian. The price premium on cars like the RS and STI in Canada is much higher than down south.
Buy an ST1. Aftermarket mods are much better than factory anyway. Get the better motor mount, put a bigger turbo in it, put in an LSD, get it tuned, swap in some forged 17x8 wheels and sticky tires. Make 300+ whp, be quicker than the RS, have less invested, cost less in maintenance and insurance, be more comfortable on the road. I would argue a well tuned ST is more reliable than an RS, has a stronger block and drivetrain overall. Not going to tune anything? Fork over the big money and do the RS. Whatever.
I have no hate for the RS and i bought the focus 2016 MK3.5 ST brandnew wich i use as a daily driver with 50.000 miles on it allready. If i would buy the RS then it would be a weekend car.
My ST was discounted by 7500 dollars, making it less than half the price of the RS. I like it. I've met RS owners and we both respected each others cars. I wouldn't pretend to be able to beat an RS but that's not the point. A new hot hatch for 20 grand is hard to beat anymore. It's fun when you want and easy to drive as a daily. The STs sit for MONTHS new, like you say in the video. I bought my 2018 in October of 2018. You can always get a deal because there are still 2018s sitting. Although for the same reason they've discontinued the ST in the states.
The RS is more race car vs. the ST is more daily driver. The ST will ride better w/ 18" wheels & a softer suspension. The RS will also be very thirsty if you daily drive it & will cost much more to insure.
Haven't even finished the video yet, just wanted to say thanks! Early next year will be in the market and I'll either be buying an ST outright (most likely as I need a good DD) or going nuts and financing a low mile RS. Appreciate all the info and video man, keep up the great work!
Without watching it, my reasons are 1) Cheaper 2) More practical daily driver (better mileage, and suspension is much more compliant 3) The ST is already plenty powerful for the street 4) RS has shown to have reliability problem with engine failures, etc.5) Kind of goes with #1, but there are many more incentives available for the ST, 0% financing, cash back rebates, etc The only reason in my opinion to get the RS is if you're going to the track fairly regularly and/or have another car as a daily driver. But, it also depends on what you're willing to put up with, and how your commute is as a daily driver. Even as a track car however, the RS is going to need work done to it. That being said, I'd opt for an RS over an STI, Civic Type-R, and likely a Golf R(unless it was for daily driving purposes, but I've heard a lot of problems with the Golf-R too). Subaru really needs to get a next gen STI out so there's more competition in the segment.
Why ? Because you didn't just win powerball this week. All kidding aside, I can respond to the comments about choosing a base ST over the ST option packages. Mainly the recaro seats. They were way too small and uncomfortable for me.
I agree, the ST is better value than an RS but its like anything else, its down to affordability. If you can afford an RS, then go for it. I would say though that there is a better argument for paying the difference between an Audi S3, or an Audi RS3.
Not really the reasons people want to hear!! I expected you to say about the car! Not that you couldn’t be bothered to wait or whatever.. jeeeeezuzzz!!! Zzzzzz
I got an st3 n i love it. Bought a couple mods n i love it even more. Great car for day driving, sport driving, trips. Yea 2wd is a lil annoying at times, not because it isn't a great FWD system, its great, just like u said its def great to have. Still though, love my st3 its a great car.
I came from the Fiesta ST, wanted a bigger car so was looking at the Focus ST as one option but when I drove it it felt slower than the Fiesta ST. Especially in low speeds. When I drove the RS it immediately felt faster and more agile. Also, the RS suspension is, in normal, milder than the Fiesta ST.
For me, the choice was several reasons. While an RS would have been nice, I couldn't justify the increased cost of the RS (higher initial price over my ST being equipped the same, higher insurance costs on the RS, my insurance company wants too much for the ST as it is, the RS the insurance for me is insane. Ride quality, the ST is livable, but the RS i think would be too harsh daily driving. Fewer color options on the RS. The two cars are both great for what they are intended for.. the ST is a fun daily driver.. The RS is a great car for track use and weekend warrior. Bottom line, buy what is going to be the best for what your going to use it for... The ST is like a phillips screw driver and the RS is like a torx bit driver.. Both are great for what they are intended for.. but are not so great when used for what they aren't intended for.
You are so wrong i had the st3 and now have the rs the rs just blows the st out the water on every level drive one and u will understand. As for fuel my st did 28 and the rs 24 so not that much different
Well said. Like you, I believe the ST is a better overall value. I also own a Fiesta ST. The price I paid for both vehicles comes close to the price of a fully loaded RS.
Ive owned ford cars for years recently brought a st3 in stealth grey think its a awesome car for the money and thats what it boils down to bang for buck great videos m8 keep up the good work all the way from the uk
I got a question for you. I want more power. can I just upgrade my turbo or do I need to do a bunch of other stuff to it before upgrading turbos?. Thanks
For me, I chose the ST because I wasn't willing to pay the RS premium. For that money I'd rather get something with a V8 or at least a Turbo 6. Plus it would almost certainly be more comfortable on the daily. When the dealer I went to offered my 2015 ST3 for $3.5k below MSRP, I jumped on it. That helped! Lol
ST is better smiles per dollar in my opinion. You can get a base ST for less than 20 grand which is nuts. The RS is just so expensive for what it is. When you're in that price range, why not go with a Mustang GT? I will say the RS is pretty unique, much more rare than a Mustang.
I bought the 2016 ST and added the same cat-back Ford Performance exhaust with TRC full round splitters and loving it as my first brand new car. When I had my first 3 month free check up and while waiting the guy who sold me the ST let me take an RS for a spin. I have to say it was awesome - tighter suspension, nicer gearbox and tons of power... the only issue was the extra $25K NZD to upgrade. I am however still really happy with my ST as it still has enough grunt for a burst here and there and sounds really nice with the exhaust upgrade (it was your video about the install that convinced me to get it). Keep up the good work.
Bizarre you've made a comparison video in which you haven't actually driven the other car you're comparing. All you have done is attempt to shine light on the ST using your biased opinion & use hearsay to discredit the RS. Weird.
I'm debating between a new Civic Si and an ST3. I haven't driven either yet. The Recaro seats are my biggest concern. They look tight. What's your opinion on both cars. Thanks
I would drive them both for sure. Before I had my ST I had a 2011 Si coupe. You will love the Si and you will love the ST. I think the ST will give you more raw performance excitement but the Si is extremely efficient and probably just as fun to drive. The huge difference will be the torque. You will find you really have to work the Si for power and with the ST it is always there. The seats in the Si are comfortable and sporty. The ST Recaro's are very aggressive and add a really cool feel to the car. They aren't as good as the Si for day to day use but in the turns there is nothing better.
What dealer did you go to for it? I'm also in phoenix az, and looking to get an st! Sanderson ford is the closest to me, but I do work in mesa, near berge ford.
Interior of the ST is nicer than the RS? What?? You couldn't even defend this inane argument while discussing it in the video since you went on at some length about how much better the material is on the RS seats lol. It's perfectly legitimate to pick the Focus ST because of fuel economy, budget, but a lot of your other arguments sound like self justification since you haven't even driven an RS. Otherwise I'd argue that if you are to pick an ST, it should be the Fiesta, since that's a much more fun vehicle.
I think I'm the only person who didn't buy an RS because I thought the color I ordered was false advertisement and I was PISSED when it came off/ fell off of the truck in Cookie Monster Blue. When ford was advertising the focus RS it was definitely a metallic blue. Apparently Performance blue and Tangerine scream were too expensive for the Focus RS to come in.
If you financed 12k for 3 years or whatever it was sounds like you could have bought any car within reason. You put half down on that car which I’ll never understand why considering 12k could be used for far more than a down payment on a focus ST. And then you say you could pay it off tomorrow. You’re blowing my mind......makes no sense
+Shane McCaulley I can understand your confusion. When I bought the car I put 13k down and financed 18k over 5 years. I didn’t have the money to pay off the whole care at once when I bought it but now I have plenty. I put that much down because I traded my civic si. Honestly I just can’t swallow dumping that much out of the bank but I probably will in the next 12 months. Make sense?
Ben, I have a 16 st currently stock... thinking about the mountune mp275 package... what are your thoughts? I want to keep warranty which is why i'm avoiding other packages
If you want to keep your warranty in tact, that is the upgrade you need to go with. It's going to give you great gains and the mid range power will be a big upgrade. I also feel Mountune makes the highest quality Focus ST upgrades.
That is where I am stuck. I would rather have my car paid off and then make a decision. I also plan on getting a RWD car and AWD car. It's a great tune for the ST but I plan on getting more cars and want to put my money toward that. If you plan on keeping your ST for a long time I say go for it.
Thanks for the input, I just don't see the value of it for 2k... maybe I need to drive someones at the pavs that has that package to compare :) I think I would rather put my money into the mountune cat back and intercooler for these hot AZ days. Maybe some wheels...who knows
kickercar why? He's right. I have an RS, I was considering an ST but after adding ST3, it was about $32k at the time and I could get an RS for $36k so I jumped. Buuuuuuut my RS ended up being $42k all said and done because I wanted all the options. Heated steering wheel and seats are awesome in winter. One would buy an ST for a softer ride, better gas mileage and a lower price. The RS has none of these qualities. I bought the RA because I think it's a modern classic, will hold value well if I keep it close to stock, and pops during gear changes. Only bad thing about it is ride harshness but slightly lower tire pressures help with that, 38/41 as opposed to 46/46.
You could swap 18" or 17" wheels and tires on the RS to improve the ride quality. Whatever still clears the brake rotors. I have a '15 SE Sedan with 5spd and upgraded the stock 16" wheels. Was debating between 17 and 18". Ultimately went with a quality set of forged 17x8 wheels. Lost 7 pounds of weight off each corner. There's no reason to have the rubber-band thin tires around a set of wheels other than style. Performance in corners is marginally better with the larger wheels, but everywhere else there isn't any performance to be had. They cost a lot more, produce a harsher ride, are more prone to bending in potholes, are louder on the roadway. The thin tire trends are 100% style based. There's a balance. I think based on the looks of my 17" I hit the sweet spot. Your opinion on wheels may vary.
I find the ride in the RS to be pretty nice as it's one of my daily drivers. Put in track mode or turn on the suspension system and yeah.. you'll be bouncing around like a rock in a stiff box.... but it's a sports vehicle. lolAs for the performance parts, they're coming. it's just a matter of time. For me, I'm waiting for parts to be covered under Ford Performance.
Focus ST/RS owners! Can't we all just get along and appreciate our cars? Never compare within the Ford family! Compare the inferior products to Ford! Lol!
Just bought a Focus ST Diesel a few days ago myself and absolutely love it, great handling, plenty of power, great daily drivers car, low fuel consumption and looks nice. Also Front wheel drive on the winter roads is absolutely no problem if you got the proper tires :)
Coming from the ST to the RS. You are completely wrong on every statements. Please drive BOTH cars and I mean DRIVE both cars before making any "comparison" from the ST and the RS.
I have an ST and I would never hate on anyone who owns a Fiesta ST, RS or a Focus ST. We are all part of a unique club and we should encourage and support each other with knowledge and love. I have an idea? Let us adopt the Sister Sledge song "We Are Family" as our club song whenever we get together.
Took me a while to fully appreciate my ST. My biggest gripe was comparing it to AWD RS's and WRX's. All in all, it really is an amazing car for what it is. (Best in its class I believe)
I also agree financially. People constantly ask "why didn't you get the RS bro?" And I respond with "do I look like I have an extra 10-15k laying around?" Lol
Good video man.
fuck society , they always whant us to " do this" do that" . its very sinple, the ST is the car you like and enjoy . fuck society. Dont let society fool you .
For 3 to 4 grand, the ST can be made quicker than the RS. So performance isn't an issue with the ST. I would argue the engine and drivetrain is stronger and more reliable on the ST, so far.
Bull shit! A brand new RS with ST1 package is only about 4K more than a brand new ST with the St3 package!
Thanks for mod-n-tuning it for the next buyer when you trade your car in because you're not going to get more on the trade-in value.
James McClendon so from an st1(or even st2) to an rs1, what's the price difference? Quite a bit I'd say. I'm good man. Also I have traded in modded cars before. I'm well aware of what its value will probably be. I'm stuck with this car for a long time anyways haha
What I've discovered: you show up to a car meet in an ST and everyone laughs "it's just a focus." Show up in an RS and everyone stares in awe 😂 I love my ST though 💘
Alex Taylor yeah until the ST guy realizes he paid 25k and the RS guy paid 40k for a Focus lol. Those people at the car meets ain't gonna help pay your note!
Also, the RS is old news at this point. Everyone is swooning over the civic type R these days. Car payments will last a lot longer than the appeal at cars & coffee.
Great point. Gotta make sure your love for the car outlasts the hype!
Don't our so-called Stupid President believes in bringing jobs back to America Mr. buyusgoods? if he's stupid, I guess that makes you stupid too. Plus he's a financial genius! How about you? Do you have any luxury hi-rise towers named after you? I'll bet, you're too scared to talk crap against Obama because people might call you a racist! Lol!
Alex Taylor I definitely get that vibe when I roll up with my ST lol but oh well. When it comes down to it, it’s not their car or for them to enjoy.
Cababah I only paid 32k for my focus RS which only had 5,000 miles on it and already had a new montune suspension installed.
My Focus ST has 19" wheels. I need a Chiropractor
Obviously the rs is a better car, bigger engine, AWD but, with the focus st you get a ton of features for your money
TheMasterMind the rs has a lot of motor issues thou
The only reason a buy a st is because you can't afford a rs no other reason matters cheers steve :-)
Steve BHP DEVON sounds like me
Definitely not the only reason. I’ve gotten to a point (and age) where I really weigh my options anymore when it comes to a car that’s my daily driver. Once the “new car” feeling wears off I am doing all the same old crap with my car day to day.
The price gap between an ST and RS is pretty large too. So if you just want something fun but practical as an everyday vehicle I see why people would pick an ST.
That is a pretty stupid comment. Hell I could have bought two RS if I was so inclined, but I bought an ST. Why? Because in my personal opinion $40k+ for a new hatchback is stupid. The RS is a beautiful and amazing machine, but the price is to much. I feel the same way about the Civic Type-R and it's pricing.
@@SaxmanUSMC the irony is strong with you. Cost is the reason you didn't buy an RS.
Word Maestro, please, before you make another idiotic post, do the following. First, please go read the definition of irony. Second, re-read the original bone headed post from the OP and re-read my response. Cost is the reason I didn't buy the RS, but not because I couldn't afford it. Obviously your reading comprehension is not that great.
20k in my brand new '17 ST1. A little over 3k in goodies and now she will whip ass on a new RS for far less cash...yeah, ST for the win in my opinion...just wait til I go 2869 turbo and run 12's for another 2k, still far less than the price of an RS and you won't see an ST that quick coming until it screams past ya. School's out.
Michael F doesn't a rs run low 12s stock?
simple: focus RS is for track. ST for street.
Ines Serna just like STI and WRX
love my ST, Ive owned many cars of this type and I typically feel the need to upgrade if a new model comes out or get the "R model" I love this thing how it drives, utility etc... Im keeping the ST3 which I paid $24k for out the door/taxes included; dude take my money!
i'm planning on getting an RS as soon as my wife lets me, lol
No she did Not get my Shelby GT in the divorce!!
Step 1. Grow a pair
Step 2. Dump that bitch
Step 3. Buy car, get more ass than a toilet seat.
Did you get the RS yet?
You mean like never?
The ST is one of my dream car's. I have a humble 2015 Ford Focus Titanium X 1.0 Ecoboost. Humble but smooth. Check out my channel if you want. Acceleration video's and more of my Focus. I'm subscribing your channel. Greetings from Norway :-)
Thank you for the support!
Well it seems like the head gasket issue on the RS has been acknowledged as a serious issue so add that to the list!
In Hawaii the st sticker price is $30k but it sells for $36k (base) and the sticker price for the rs is $41k and sells for $52k (base). Damn Hawaii prices why you gotta be so high.
I have owned an ST since they first came out, in 2013, zero problems and I love it. I've been watching the RS and ST line in Europe for a long time, and now we finally have them. I would have got an RS but they said they were not bringing them to the US....lier's... I've been looking at them, but the price is harsh...and the leaking gasket issue is a real turn off. I'll wait until the fix all the issues then think about getting one. That engine is new in the RS, the ST has the tried and true pinto blocked 2.0, a proven race engine for years. Now if we could import the Sierra RS whale tail, or Mk 1 or Mk2.
Sharpsdoublerifle that’s how I feel about the RS right now as well. That’s a real issue it is having so I want to wait and see what the fix is and go from there. At the same time the interior is identical minus the seat materials so I feel like if I got another car I would want it to be totally different
Sorry old comments but i came across this. You guys really missed out on some of the best performance fords ever produced. The old sierra and escort rs cosworth's have a legendary following here in the uk. The original whale tail sierra cossie is fetching a £100k nowadays over here 😯. Never see them on the road i havent done for years. I assume all locked away in storage kept in mint condition.
Also the mk1 focus rs is creeping up in price.
The mk2 focus st and rs have their cult followers too. My friend had a mk2 st decatted and running full stage 3 many years back when we where barely 21yo. Insurance was astronomical and boy did it drink fuel! It was an animal though it really was! I seen a green mk2 rs on the road just a few weeks ago...that 5 pot volvo engine still sounds 👌. Music to the ears 😁.
I had a mk7 fiesta a few years back great fun, i currently have mk3 focus running around 300bhp. Its quick although doesnt have that exhaust note we got with the mk2 though. Still great fun!
I just bought a 2013 stage 2 ST in June from a locally owned dealership. The owner of the dealership is a HUGE car guy who loves Focus STs. After my purchase, I went back to the dealership because the owner wanted to hear what the ST sounded like with the GReddy exhaust I put on it. He had an RS on the lot he wanted me to test drive to see what I thought about it. To be honest, the RS is the better car hands down. However, we both agreed there isn’t a super huge difference between a stock RS and a tuned ST. So if you can’t afford the RS, buy an ST and go stage 2 or 3 if possible. Of course it won’t be an RS, but it’ll be somewhat close to one.
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That's why you don't take your shit to carmax and why you sell it elsewhere
lol I got my car transferred to another dealer, same situation. Lowest the other dealer got was $28,999 LMAO wtf?!! other dealer....24k out door
Very nice video explaining. Regardless of your decision I think anybody will truly fall in love with these hatchbacks. I own a 17 focus ST1 (lowest package) and I adoreeeeee the thing. So many aftermarket parts out there for these cars. ST’s are huge bang for your buck cars as well
Hell just buy a 2017 mustang s550 GT!!! With all the discounts and rebate going on right now. Put you at $29k 🏁
Mike J Autos and stuff smiles per gallon!
I can give you a easy answer to why you should buy a ST or a RS. On the used market you can find a ST for 11k-16k and the RS us going to 28k minimum! If the added horsepower and all wheel drive seems worth the extra 12k go for it, but for me It just wasn't.
I weigh a 155 and i'm 5.7. The RS has nothing wrong with the ride quality at all. I have done every mode and all feel the same. Honestly could not love the way it feels on the road more.
Only reason to buy an ST over and RS.. *Because you either can't afford to buy the RS or you can afford to run it.*
Or you have a better car than both already and want a fun car to drive on the daily that won't break the bank.
K9 JSB I disagree %100...! I'm just being real...I can certainly afford one. As a daily driver, I would never have the opportunity to utilize the performance extras to their full capability on public streets without getting pulled over a few times a week nor is it smart or safe either. That's a fact a fact. Additionally, the cosmetic upgrades; I could selectively spend a few hundred dollars on personal custom options and be completely satisfied with the enhanced esthetics, again, personal factual preference. Lastly, the fuel difference in savings alone, over 5 yesrs, will alone pay for the upgrades you buy for your ST1, 2 or 3. I'm extremely happy with my decision to buy 2018 ST3...!!
Everyone has a opinion but most people are wrong :-) I like all the st' and rs. The people that don't have even drive or own a st or rs say about engine trouble etc, mine has been perfect, good vid cheers steve :-)
Yea I agree about the comments on engine issues. Very few ST's and RS's are having engine issues compared to how many are manufactured. Almost any car you buy these days is extremely reliable stock. When you tune the car is usually when the issues start
the rs as all high perf cars does not perform well in ice or snow
Seen kids put 5k into their Focus ST and it'll be making 360hp to the wheels on E30😂 😂😂
My co-worker and I often have this conversation. We both work for a Ford dealership. He has an ST. But I currently own an SE sedan with leather and ambient lighting. So, I love the ST but, since I like the features in my car, and I like the ST, if I decide to get an ST over a Mustang GT, I have to get at least an ST2
I can't believe there are Ford dealerships out there still marking up the price of the RS. I bought my RS2 in March and paid 2k under MSRP.
Eric D true. Paid 36,700 for a 40,500 rs....and that rs had a invoice of 38,600
I paid 8000CAD under MSRP for my 2018 red SE
I got the 2018 st 3 5 days ago. Couldn't be happier.
I recently test drove both the ST and RS....yes the RS has more power but the ST is equally nice minus the power. I'm leaning toward the ST. Not sure the RS is worth that big ass price tag.... nothing wrong with the ST, its a really nice hot hatch.
Yea I have thought about trading my ST in for the RS but the interior would make me feel like I was driving the same car so I think when I buy another car I will get something totally different
How long have you had the ST and what did you like about it the least?
but as an everyday driver? is the RS the way to go?
really need you to review a 2018 vw gti please
Ive driven the RS and own a 2016 ST3, loaded with every option. The RS is the better car. But is it $10,000 better? I do not think it is.
buildmorefarms100 yes it is worth: RS is all wheel drive , aseembled in germany , brembo brakes for track, 100 more hp, 19" forgued racing wheels with performance tires , performance exhaust , full racing damperig set up , racing steering wheel set up, drifting mode plus front spliter for down force, 20 seg overboost, factory 22.5 max turbo psi adn ST is 24.0000 , RS is 40.000 . Rs is for track , ST for street etc..
Im just not sure it would give me $10,000 more fun. The ST is pretty great.
i used to have hw ST , wich is still a performance car, and i really enjoy it . jist keep your ST man , its such am amazing car. for me the RS was something special, something i've been waiting for so long.
Only 10,000 more? I'd go with the RS :)
Just because it's more rarely seen and AWD.
Then why havent you bought one yet Ben?
Love my 16' ST no regrets.
Understated and mature looking, doesn't look like a boy racer car with vast wing and garish colours. Plus, FAR better bang for the buck. With a relatively small outlay you can boost this car to 300BHP with a few basic modifications professionally fitted, and, with an ATB limited slip diff, you can massively stabilise the front end and dial out the torque steer
My Local Ford dealerships keep contacting me to try out or by an RS. I haven't driven one yet (and I am sure I would want one...thats what happened going from a 2012 Titanium Sedan with a 5spd manual to my 2014 ST). But, let the staff at the dealerships know that I cannot justify the $60,000-$64,000 Canadian for one. I can buy his and hers Cadillac CTS-V's for that money (yeah, like 2008's, but you get the idea). Luckily for me, my ST came in on a trade in on a RS, so I got a 2014 ST3 with only 26,000 kilometers on the odometer, with 2 sets of rims and a couple of aftermatket mods for under $20,000 Canadian. The price premium on cars like the RS and STI in Canada is much higher than down south.
Buy an ST1. Aftermarket mods are much better than factory anyway. Get the better motor mount, put a bigger turbo in it, put in an LSD, get it tuned, swap in some forged 17x8 wheels and sticky tires. Make 300+ whp, be quicker than the RS, have less invested, cost less in maintenance and insurance, be more comfortable on the road. I would argue a well tuned ST is more reliable than an RS, has a stronger block and drivetrain overall.
Not going to tune anything? Fork over the big money and do the RS. Whatever.
I have no hate for the RS and i bought the focus 2016 MK3.5 ST brandnew wich i use as a daily driver with 50.000 miles on it allready. If i would buy the RS then it would be a weekend car.
Without watching the video.. I'd say Because it's cheaper, uses less gas, and less money to repair? :P
I would trade my '14 ST3 ST in a heart beat for an RS. RS is much better. The ST has depreciated plus the RS looks better.
Another informative video, thx!
You're welcome!
My ST was discounted by 7500 dollars, making it less than half the price of the RS. I like it. I've met RS owners and we both respected each others cars. I wouldn't pretend to be able to beat an RS but that's not the point. A new hot hatch for 20 grand is hard to beat anymore. It's fun when you want and easy to drive as a daily.
The STs sit for MONTHS new, like you say in the video. I bought my 2018 in October of 2018. You can always get a deal because there are still 2018s sitting. Although for the same reason they've discontinued the ST in the states.
The RS is more race car vs. the ST is more daily driver. The ST will ride better w/ 18" wheels & a softer suspension. The RS will also be very thirsty if you daily drive it & will cost much more to insure.
Haven't even finished the video yet, just wanted to say thanks! Early next year will be in the market and I'll either be buying an ST outright (most likely as I need a good DD) or going nuts and financing a low mile RS. Appreciate all the info and video man, keep up the great work!
Without watching it, my reasons are 1) Cheaper 2) More practical daily driver (better mileage, and suspension is much more compliant 3) The ST is already plenty powerful for the street 4) RS has shown to have reliability problem with engine failures, etc.5) Kind of goes with #1, but there are many more incentives available for the ST, 0% financing, cash back rebates, etc
The only reason in my opinion to get the RS is if you're going to the track fairly regularly and/or have another car as a daily driver. But, it also depends on what you're willing to put up with, and how your commute is as a daily driver. Even as a track car however, the RS is going to need work done to it.
That being said, I'd opt for an RS over an STI, Civic Type-R, and likely a Golf R(unless it was for daily driving purposes, but I've heard a lot of problems with the Golf-R too). Subaru really needs to get a next gen STI out so there's more competition in the segment.
Why ? Because you didn't just win powerball this week. All kidding aside, I can respond to the comments about choosing a base ST over the ST option packages. Mainly the recaro seats. They were way too small and uncomfortable for me.
I agree, the ST is better value than an RS but its like anything else, its down to affordability. If you can afford an RS, then go for it. I would say though that there is a better argument for paying the difference between an Audi S3, or an Audi RS3.
RS, ST ,Great cars.
Not really the reasons people want to hear!! I expected you to say about the car! Not that you couldn’t be bothered to wait or whatever.. jeeeeezuzzz!!! Zzzzzz
I got an st3 n i love it. Bought a couple mods n i love it even more. Great car for day driving, sport driving, trips. Yea 2wd is a lil annoying at times, not because it isn't a great FWD system, its great, just like u said its def great to have. Still though, love my st3 its a great car.
I came from the Fiesta ST, wanted a bigger car so was looking at the Focus ST as one option but when I drove it it felt slower than the Fiesta ST. Especially in low speeds. When I drove the RS it immediately felt faster and more agile.
Also, the RS suspension is, in normal, milder than the Fiesta ST.
For me, the choice was several reasons. While an RS would have been nice, I couldn't justify the increased cost of the RS (higher initial price over my ST being equipped the same, higher insurance costs on the RS, my insurance company wants too much for the ST as it is, the RS the insurance for me is insane. Ride quality, the ST is livable, but the RS i think would be too harsh daily driving. Fewer color options on the RS. The two cars are both great for what they are intended for.. the ST is a fun daily driver.. The RS is a great car for track use and weekend warrior. Bottom line, buy what is going to be the best for what your going to use it for... The ST is like a phillips screw driver and the RS is like a torx bit driver.. Both are great for what they are intended for.. but are not so great when used for what they aren't intended for.
You are so wrong i had the st3 and now have the rs the rs just blows the st out the water on every level drive one and u will understand. As for fuel my st did 28 and the rs 24 so not that much different
Well said. Like you, I believe the ST is a better overall value. I also own a Fiesta ST. The price I paid for both vehicles comes close to the price of a fully loaded RS.
Ive owned ford cars for years recently brought a st3 in stealth grey think its a awesome car for the money and thats what it boils down to bang for buck great videos m8 keep up the good work all the way from the uk
The only reason I didn't buy a focus rs and bought a focus st is because I could not afford it.
I got a question for you. I want more power. can I just upgrade my turbo or do I need to do a bunch of other stuff to it before upgrading turbos?. Thanks
You guys need an ST225MK2 in your life. Lol You can't beat the sound of a 5 pot. Lol
your smart its best to not stretch your budget to thin. live within out means. there are sporty cars at almost every price level
For me, I chose the ST because I wasn't willing to pay the RS premium. For that money I'd rather get something with a V8 or at least a Turbo 6. Plus it would almost certainly be more comfortable on the daily. When the dealer I went to offered my 2015 ST3 for $3.5k below MSRP, I jumped on it. That helped! Lol
dblr3000 same!
I knew something was fishy about those roads they look too familiar when you said you live in AZ.
ST is better smiles per dollar in my opinion. You can get a base ST for less than 20 grand which is nuts. The RS is just so expensive for what it is. When you're in that price range, why not go with a Mustang GT?
I will say the RS is pretty unique, much more rare than a Mustang.
TheCapn23 a gt is a batter buy then the rs. There's no make up on a gt gets batter mpg and can make a lot more power then the rs stock for stock
Buy what you want. Be happy with what you have. Drive the car that speaks to you. Period.
The only reason I got a ST is because I can't afford the RS. That should be the only reason for anyone. If you can afford an RS, then GET THE RS!
I totally agree
I bought the 2016 ST and added the same cat-back Ford Performance exhaust with TRC full round splitters and loving it as my first brand new car. When I had my first 3 month free check up and while waiting the guy who sold me the ST let me take an RS for a spin. I have to say it was awesome - tighter suspension, nicer gearbox and tons of power... the only issue was the extra $25K NZD to upgrade. I am however still really happy with my ST as it still has enough grunt for a burst here and there and sounds really nice with the exhaust upgrade (it was your video about the install that convinced me to get it). Keep up the good work.
+Mike Renolds glad to hear that and thanks for the support!
Bizarre you've made a comparison video in which you haven't actually driven the other car you're comparing.
All you have done is attempt to shine light on the ST using your biased opinion & use hearsay to discredit the RS.
Weird.
Not trying to discredit the RS at all. I love it!
I'm currently deciding between the St and rs solely because of awd for the winter. How is the St in snow? Anyone?
It’s fine if you get the right tires for it
I'm debating between a new Civic Si and an ST3. I haven't driven either yet. The Recaro seats are my biggest concern. They look tight. What's your opinion on both cars. Thanks
I would drive them both for sure. Before I had my ST I had a 2011 Si coupe. You will love the Si and you will love the ST. I think the ST will give you more raw performance excitement but the Si is extremely efficient and probably just as fun to drive. The huge difference will be the torque. You will find you really have to work the Si for power and with the ST it is always there. The seats in the Si are comfortable and sporty. The ST Recaro's are very aggressive and add a really cool feel to the car. They aren't as good as the Si for day to day use but in the turns there is nothing better.
You can’t afford an rs get an St simple economics
Electronically limited to 145mph / 233kph.
What dealer did you go to for it? I'm also in phoenix az, and looking to get an st! Sanderson ford is the closest to me, but I do work in mesa, near berge ford.
I got mine at San Tan Ford
I gues this guy doesn't like awd 🤔
I love AWD
@@Gjeebs fwd will never dig like awd especially when you start tuning
I’m always broke, so maybe I should go for a second hand Focus ST2....
You’re better off keeping what you currently have and build up savings then get one
Interior of the ST is nicer than the RS? What?? You couldn't even defend this inane argument while discussing it in the video since you went on at some length about how much better the material is on the RS seats lol.
It's perfectly legitimate to pick the Focus ST because of fuel economy, budget, but a lot of your other arguments sound like self justification since you haven't even driven an RS. Otherwise I'd argue that if you are to pick an ST, it should be the Fiesta, since that's a much more fun vehicle.
I've driven the FiST and it's a nimble car but I didn't think it was nearly as fun.
Not in a straight line maybe, but for spirited driving in the corners the Fiesta wins hands down. The 500 lb lower weight is a huge advantage.
I think I'm the only person who didn't buy an RS because I thought the color I ordered was false advertisement and I was PISSED when it came off/ fell off of the truck in Cookie Monster Blue.
When ford was advertising the focus RS it was definitely a metallic blue.
Apparently Performance blue and Tangerine scream were too expensive for the Focus RS to come in.
Cookie Monster Blue lol
Who cares about the colour.
Excellent video , genuine advice.
3rd place winners get anything? 😉
If you financed 12k for 3 years or whatever it was sounds like you could have bought any car within reason. You put half down on that car which I’ll never understand why considering 12k could be used for far more than a down payment on a focus ST. And then you say you could pay it off tomorrow. You’re blowing my mind......makes no sense
Shoulda just bought the car straight out and not even financed it....
+Shane McCaulley I can understand your confusion. When I bought the car I put 13k down and financed 18k over 5 years. I didn’t have the money to pay off the whole care at once when I bought it but now I have plenty. I put that much down because I traded my civic si. Honestly I just can’t swallow dumping that much out of the bank but I probably will in the next 12 months. Make sense?
RGBGFIVE crystal clear
Fuel economy, comfort, price, and the ST is almost as fast.
zzebowa its 100hp slower though
They are all stealsmen. Not salesmen
Like I SAID LONG LIVE THE KING
Love your vids man. I’m subscribing. Keep it up
Thank you!
Simple just for the price
Ben, I have a 16 st currently stock... thinking about the mountune mp275 package... what are your thoughts? I want to keep warranty which is why i'm avoiding other packages
If you want to keep your warranty in tact, that is the upgrade you need to go with. It's going to give you great gains and the mid range power will be a big upgrade. I also feel Mountune makes the highest quality Focus ST upgrades.
Agreed, but for 2k I just don't know if its worth the extra 20hp and 25 ft lbs torque.
what do you think?
That is where I am stuck. I would rather have my car paid off and then make a decision. I also plan on getting a RWD car and AWD car. It's a great tune for the ST but I plan on getting more cars and want to put my money toward that. If you plan on keeping your ST for a long time I say go for it.
Thanks for the input, I just don't see the value of it for 2k... maybe I need to drive someones at the pavs that has that package to compare :) I think I would rather put my money into the mountune cat back and intercooler for these hot AZ days. Maybe some wheels...who knows
That’s not light weight 😂
I'm a winner
Nice video sir
I'm a winner
I'M A WINNER
Best thing I did to my st was delete the symposer
I might have to do that. In what way does it change the sound after?
I'm also curious.
Winter
Driving skills > AWD
Travis Ross Winter tires are the solution. The problem with driving in snow/ice is grip and the ability to stop, AWD doesn't help you.
i own a st2 and a rs2. this vid makes me want to pull my hair out.
Keep your hair, dislike, and move on
kickercar why? He's right. I have an RS, I was considering an ST but after adding ST3, it was about $32k at the time and I could get an RS for $36k so I jumped. Buuuuuuut my RS ended up being $42k all said and done because I wanted all the options. Heated steering wheel and seats are awesome in winter.
One would buy an ST for a softer ride, better gas mileage and a lower price. The RS has none of these qualities. I bought the RA because I think it's a modern classic, will hold value well if I keep it close to stock, and pops during gear changes. Only bad thing about it is ride harshness but slightly lower tire pressures help with that, 38/41 as opposed to 46/46.
Jay Barrow nice to know about the tire pressure. 👍
You could swap 18" or 17" wheels and tires on the RS to improve the ride quality. Whatever still clears the brake rotors.
I have a '15 SE Sedan with 5spd and upgraded the stock 16" wheels. Was debating between 17 and 18". Ultimately went with a quality set of forged 17x8 wheels. Lost 7 pounds of weight off each corner. There's no reason to have the rubber-band thin tires around a set of wheels other than style. Performance in corners is marginally better with the larger wheels, but everywhere else there isn't any performance to be had. They cost a lot more, produce a harsher ride, are more prone to bending in potholes, are louder on the roadway. The thin tire trends are 100% style based. There's a balance. I think based on the looks of my 17" I hit the sweet spot. Your opinion on wheels may vary.
Wow it calls for 46 PSI? I thought the Fiesta ST's 39 and 36 in the rear were high.
You forgot about the Leon Cupra.
+LoveGod16 I agree but we don't have those in the US
Oh too bad..
I lost my ST to Harvey rip
Sucks to hear that but I am glad you are okay.
I lost mine to an Uber driver. So I bought an RS S2
RIP
Totally different cars. Comparison like wrx to st, and evo to RS.
I find the ride in the RS to be pretty nice as it's one of my daily drivers. Put in track mode or turn on the suspension system and yeah.. you'll be bouncing around like a rock in a stiff box.... but it's a sports vehicle. lolAs for the performance parts, they're coming. it's just a matter of time. For me, I'm waiting for parts to be covered under Ford Performance.
Focus ST/RS owners! Can't we all just get along and appreciate our cars? Never compare within the Ford family! Compare the inferior products to Ford! Lol!
Stopped watching three minutes in. So, you didn’t buy the RS because you couldn’t afford it and didn’t even wait for it to come out.
Just bought a Focus ST Diesel a few days ago myself and absolutely love it, great handling, plenty of power, great daily drivers car, low fuel consumption and looks nice.
Also Front wheel drive on the winter roads is absolutely no problem if you got the proper tires :)
I would love to drive the diesel version
Coming from the ST to the RS. You are completely wrong on every statements. Please drive BOTH cars and I mean DRIVE both cars before making any "comparison" from the ST and the RS.
I think you would do it best
Or you could not buy a rental car and get one with an actual resale value
I’ve been inlove with the Rs .
Does this car have an automatic Transmission. I’m looking into either
Neither the RS or ST have automatic transmissions
@@Gjeebs lol good 😂🔥👌 just got an st 2015 love it manual is the way
If they where only a automatic