BRILLIANT!!! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and conveying sophisticated biomechanical movements in such a concise and clear manner.The other video of yours regarding the pronation is awesome. All the best to you. Cheers from France
@@Tenniswithdylan You're welcome!!!but you are the one to be thanked since you create great content. I have already viewed so much stuff about the tennis serve and there are indeed misleading misconceptions that may even generate injuries. I very much appreciate the way you help us decypher the mechanics involved. The tip "ball...before...racket" IS such a genious way!!! I really like the way you explain things. There are so many subjects to talk about. Since I am eager to learn more about the tennis serve I would not mind seeing a serie about the serve.For instance how to manage the tilt of the racquet, how to aim so that the ball lands right on the chosen spot, the consequences of a low or high toss, the importance or not of the dominant eye (laterality) such as crossed eye dominance or non crossed. Oh well, there is such a large spectrum of questions since in involves physics, biomechanics, understanding geometry on the court aso. Enough babbling. My profile : 53 y.o. french rec player that loves the tech stuff and knowing about all the angles. Once again thanks for sharing your knowledge.Your YT Channel IS great and I hope more people will discover your Channel. All the best to you and keep on aiming high. Cheers
These tips have made soo much difference to my consistency, accuracy and speed of serve. Also, far less pain since I stopped snapping my wrist. Thank you Dylan, you’re doing a fantastic job! 🙂👍🎾
This is super useful and explains why I look so terrible when I film my serve. There is nothing fluid about the way I serve and I think shoulder mobility is a large factor of not being able to get that fluid motion of the racket through the trophy position. Thanks Dylan, love your stuff!
@@Tenniswithdylan we're very new to tennis (my son and I) and have been playing a huge amount over the past 3 months or so (10-15 hours a week typically 😂) We're progressing for sure, thanks in no small part to your awesome content Dylan! My serve is pretty big (for a beginner!) but I look like a 40 year old flailing at the ball. I've started slicing for the second serve and pronating flat for the first. The question is when do you apply loading of the back leg (eg your tennis ball pick up and throw drill) to then push through onto your front? I find my back leg is what comes through when I manage to actually use my shoulders 😂 the stiffness is preventing my shoulder from coming through sometimes. The joys of being both old and new 😂
Dylan: That was a great demonstration of the serve fundamentals through the misconception analysis. While I agree there's no wrist-snap per se, as you clearly illustrated, I do get pop from the wrist acceleration just prior to pronation. When the palm of your hand is sideways or perpendicular to the ground, you can move your wrist up and down. I believe some call it "ulnar deviation." That forceful wrist action, combined of course with internal shoulder rotation, enables me to to develop additional racquet head speed. It's very effective on spin serves, particularly the kick. I've always called this a wrist snap, though it doesn't look or feel anything like the "snap" misconception that you demonstrated. I'm probably using the incorrect terminology, but confident that you understand the wrist action that I'm explaining. I picked up the technique while attending Vic Braden's camp many years ago. He would actually crack a whip to demonstrate the wrist action on the serve. Any thoughts or comments? Thanks very much.
Yes well said, the wrist is an advancement when aiding in adding more power on your serve. For people looking to develop their serve the first thing should not be focusing on the small individual parts but the service motion as a whole. Where does the power come from which is from the lower body.
Great lesson! Question - I see some players stand 45 degrees (towards the net posts) and some stand almost parallel to baseline. Which one is good "standard" direction? Parallel to baseline seem to generate more power but sometimes I end up rotating too much at the same spot vs. jumping into the court. Thanks Dylan!
This is amazing video. Thank you! I tend to snap my wrist in the wrong direction like you mentioned. Will try flicking my wrist like getting rid of water.
Nice and awesome tips for good serve!! And i have a question, i knew that you're a left-handed player in tennis, right?? But when you show 'Ball throwing motion', you used right arm!! Is there any reason???? Because i have same arm using like that..!! also i have many confused things in my situation. So i want to ask about this problem, i'd appreciate it if you could answer
You probably have the weight on your front foot too early. At trophy and even at the swing most of your weight should be on the back foot. Also as mentioned above, keep your head up. You can use this: Imagine your head is still up with the front foot lands. Will correct it.
@@Tenniswithdylan nice im still struggling with that, can you do a video to help with that. from current video it feels like you have to pit the elbow in that place without it naturally going there.
@@Tenniswithdylan Well, it's a hitting/striking motion, and it's also aiming for a target rather than maximizing distance. Technically speaking: 1) If you want to throw the racket as far as possible, you'd keep the racket on edge. Since you need to contact the ball, you pronate. 2) Also, on contact, the racket is really coming down, not continuing up. This is because the ball trajectory needs to be down (& forward). 3) One misunderstanding coming from the similar looking motions is the contribution of leg drive to power. In a throw or a shot put, the leg drive does contribute, because its vector is aligned with the trajectory. For a serve, there's only a partial contribution of the leg drive into vertical racket speed. Most of the swing path, the body is already still in the air. Being airborn is the main reason for leg involvement, because you want to maximize the angle onto the service box. 4) For the serve, the torso uncoils later than for a throw, where your dominant shoulder will move in front of the non-dominant before release. On the serve the uncoiling is still underway at the point of contact. Of course there are similarities too, in terms of total kinetic chain involving legs, torso, shoulder ... but not enough to be really helpful as a full analogy. Not only physically but moreover mentally, the idea of striking a ball is so different from throwing an object, that I wouldn't use one as an instructional aid for the other. But that's just my opinion :) Cheers!
Absolutely nothing groundbreaking here. It's all been said and done before. That's not to say it's not useful but as I said it's old news. The whole wrist snap thing gained traction when lazy commentators were trying unsuccessfully to describe how Sampras was able to generate so much velocity on his serves. Too much of today's coaching seems to revolve around what the coaches deem to be technical terms e.g. loading, pronation, trophy position, platform stance, pinpoint stance, etc.
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This is by far the best tennis serve instruction on YT ever.
Thank you for the kind words
Great detailed breakdown of the serve mechanics! Cheers!
Yes no problem! Hope it helps 😊
BRILLIANT!!!
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and conveying sophisticated biomechanical movements in such a concise and clear manner.The other video of yours regarding the pronation is awesome.
All the best to you.
Cheers from France
Thanks for the support and kind words! If you would like me to cover anything else please let me know. Thanks 🙏🏽
@@Tenniswithdylan You're welcome!!!but you are the one to be thanked since you create great content.
I have already viewed so much stuff about the tennis serve and there are indeed misleading misconceptions that may even generate injuries.
I very much appreciate the way you help us decypher the mechanics involved.
The tip "ball...before...racket" IS such a genious way!!!
I really like the way you explain things.
There are so many subjects to talk about.
Since I am eager to learn more about the tennis serve I would not mind seeing a serie about the serve.For instance how to manage the tilt of the racquet, how to aim so that the ball lands right on the chosen spot, the consequences of a low or high toss, the importance or not of the dominant eye (laterality) such as crossed eye dominance or non crossed.
Oh well, there is such a large spectrum of questions since in involves physics, biomechanics, understanding geometry on the court aso.
Enough babbling.
My profile : 53 y.o. french rec player that loves the tech stuff and knowing about all the angles.
Once again thanks for sharing your knowledge.Your YT Channel IS great and I hope more people will discover your Channel.
All the best to you and keep on aiming high.
Cheers
These tips have made soo much difference to my consistency, accuracy and speed of serve. Also, far less pain since I stopped snapping my wrist. Thank you Dylan, you’re doing a fantastic job! 🙂👍🎾
Great to hear that 🙏🏽
Very good coaching. Easy to follow and remember.
Thank you
Most helpful video Ive found on the serve motion, super helpful
Great to hear that!
This is super useful and explains why I look so terrible when I film my serve. There is nothing fluid about the way I serve and I think shoulder mobility is a large factor of not being able to get that fluid motion of the racket through the trophy position. Thanks Dylan, love your stuff!
Yes shoulder mobility does play a role in improved range of motion. Any questions feel free to ask 🙏🏽
@@Tenniswithdylan we're very new to tennis (my son and I) and have been playing a huge amount over the past 3 months or so (10-15 hours a week typically 😂)
We're progressing for sure, thanks in no small part to your awesome content Dylan!
My serve is pretty big (for a beginner!) but I look like a 40 year old flailing at the ball. I've started slicing for the second serve and pronating flat for the first.
The question is when do you apply loading of the back leg (eg your tennis ball pick up and throw drill) to then push through onto your front?
I find my back leg is what comes through when I manage to actually use my shoulders 😂 the stiffness is preventing my shoulder from coming through sometimes. The joys of being both old and new 😂
Bravo!!! Perfect meticulously very detailed right to the point 😊
Thank you 🙏🏽
Dylan: That was a great demonstration of the serve fundamentals through the misconception analysis. While I agree there's no wrist-snap per se, as you clearly illustrated, I do get pop from the wrist acceleration just prior to pronation. When the palm of your hand is sideways or perpendicular to the ground, you can move your wrist up and down. I believe some call it "ulnar deviation." That forceful wrist action, combined of course with internal shoulder rotation, enables me to to develop additional racquet head speed. It's very effective on spin serves, particularly the kick. I've always called this a wrist snap, though it doesn't look or feel anything like the "snap" misconception that you demonstrated. I'm probably using the incorrect terminology, but confident that you understand the wrist action that I'm explaining. I picked up the technique while attending Vic Braden's camp many years ago. He would actually crack a whip to demonstrate the wrist action on the serve. Any thoughts or comments? Thanks very much.
Yes well said, the wrist is an advancement when aiding in adding more power on your serve. For people looking to develop their serve the first thing should not be focusing on the small individual parts but the service motion as a whole. Where does the power come from which is from the lower body.
good stuff Dylan ! Enjoyed the clear instructions. Regards from Singapore
Thanks for the support!
Awesome tips
Thank you
this is a brilliant amazing piece of content, which made me subscribe to your channel, this is very good!!!
Thank you 🙏🏽
Brilliant video thank you, I have a problem with the jump part of the serve have you got any tips on that at all?
Thank you!
Yes I can make more videos on this
Great lesson! Question - I see some players stand 45 degrees (towards the net posts) and some stand almost parallel to baseline. Which one is good "standard" direction? Parallel to baseline seem to generate more power but sometimes I end up rotating too much at the same spot vs. jumping into the court. Thanks Dylan!
I have subscribed to your channel since you are using Pure Drive.
Thanks 😊
A video on flexibility and being more relaxed would be great!
What "Babolat Pure Drive" are you using???
"Babolat Pure Drive" or "Babolat Pure Drive Plus"???
Standard pure drive 300g
This is amazing video. Thank you! I tend to snap my wrist in the wrong direction like you mentioned. Will try flicking my wrist like getting rid of water.
Much appreciated! Glad I could help you out
Nice and awesome tips for good serve!!
And i have a question, i knew that you're a left-handed player in tennis, right??
But when you show 'Ball throwing motion', you used right arm!!
Is there any reason????
Because i have same arm using like that..!! also i have many confused things in my situation.
So i want to ask about this problem, i'd appreciate it if you could answer
Thank you! I actually throw with my right arm and do a lot of my demos as a righty for my clients.
I hope I did not confuse you 😅
Awesome tips. Btw I have a problem, can you help? When I serve my chest and head collapses down and I hit the net. How do you stop that?
Oh, and make sure you keep staring at that ball until you actually witness it rebounding off your strings!
You probably have the weight on your front foot too early. At trophy and even at the swing most of your weight should be on the back foot. Also as mentioned above, keep your head up. You can use this: Imagine your head is still up with the front foot lands. Will correct it.
@@harryherman5371 Thank you! 😊
Yes this works great
Practice hitting and holding your finish. Check where your head and chest are post contact for reference
Quick question, people say you shouldn't force the elbow up, so how to get into that position without forcing it? So it comes naturally
The elbow will drive up as you drive from the legs upwards. The shift will allow your elbow to freely drive up
@@Tenniswithdylan nice im still struggling with that, can you do a video to help with that. from current video it feels like you have to pit the elbow in that place without it naturally going there.
Agree with most but the serve is not a throwing motion. It might look similar but there are fundamental differences.
The serve is an upwards throwing motion, how would you describe the motion?
@@Tenniswithdylan Well, it's a hitting/striking motion, and it's also aiming for a target rather than maximizing distance. Technically speaking:
1) If you want to throw the racket as far as possible, you'd keep the racket on edge. Since you need to contact the ball, you pronate.
2) Also, on contact, the racket is really coming down, not continuing up. This is because the ball trajectory needs to be down (& forward).
3) One misunderstanding coming from the similar looking motions is the contribution of leg drive to power. In a throw or a shot put, the leg drive does contribute, because its vector is aligned with the trajectory. For a serve, there's only a partial contribution of the leg drive into vertical racket speed. Most of the swing path, the body is already still in the air. Being airborn is the main reason for leg involvement, because you want to maximize the angle onto the service box.
4) For the serve, the torso uncoils later than for a throw, where your dominant shoulder will move in front of the non-dominant before release. On the serve the uncoiling is still underway at the point of contact.
Of course there are similarities too, in terms of total kinetic chain involving legs, torso, shoulder ... but not enough to be really helpful as a full analogy. Not only physically but moreover mentally, the idea of striking a ball is so different from throwing an object, that I wouldn't use one as an instructional aid for the other.
But that's just my opinion :) Cheers!
Absolutely nothing groundbreaking here. It's all been said and done before. That's not to say it's not useful but as I said it's old news. The whole wrist snap thing gained traction when lazy commentators were trying unsuccessfully to describe how Sampras was able to generate so much velocity on his serves. Too much of today's coaching seems to revolve around what the coaches deem to be technical terms e.g. loading, pronation, trophy position, platform stance, pinpoint stance, etc.