Deep Dive and Review - Boss RC-500 2 Channel Looper
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- UPDATE: Even though I say you could use other power adapters, this is MY personal opinion and in NO WAY supported by BOSS and there have been reports of these units breaking when powered incorrectly, so BOSS's position is CLEARLY to only use their supported power supply!!!
Reading a Boss Manual is like getting root canal done at the dentist, so Boss hired me to do it for you and guide you through the whole thing... so sit back and learn every aspect of the RC-500 Looper... and it's also a review, so I'll unveil the negative stuff as well!
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0:00 Slideshow
1:15 Making a Loop
5:35 Intro
8:07 What does it do?
11:25 Alternatives from BOSS
13:09 A Rant about MIDI Cables
16:50 How to get started
18:23 Inputs
21:34 Track Parameters and Output Routing
25:50 The Drums
37:12 Memory/Preset Parameters
39:18 Global Settings
43:21 Now We Loop: Parallel Tracks
51:14 Loops with different lengths
53:10 AUTO Length
54:22 Predefined Loop Length
57:14 AUTO Record
1:01:28 Unsynced Loops
1:04:40 LOOP FX
1:09:24 Tracks in Series
1:13:04 Mic Input
1:17:00 External Switches
1:20:00 MIDI Control
1:25:35 MY2CENTS
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Thanks a million! Not only am I really well informed now, but also enormously entertained and even relieved by your rant, which I definitely share!
Thank you so much for making this lengthy video! It was very interesting and informative. I’m new to all of this and just got the rc 500 yesterday. I’ll be rewatching this video again a few more times and playing with the loop station to get it to stick in my head. This is definitely a “get to know” pedal before you start doing anything serious with it.
Great tutorial for the capable but often baffling RC-500. Thanks so much for making this helpful video!
Really helpful tutorial, I have a basic understanding of loopers but this is fairly advanced and I was struggling with syncing up the two channels. Well demonstrated , I was able to immediately go back to it and get going!
Thank you man, you made my day, I appreciate your humorous deep dive a lot
Marvellous, thank you, the most in depth (and funny) video of the RC500. Well done for grappling it to the ground. You have taught me a lot about it, as i wait to buy this.
Just found your channel while looking for RC500 review, glad I found yours. Funny to watch but you dropped all the in and outs... and pros and cons. That's perfect, I loved the humor... and I laughed at the "Proprietary Boss Cables... type A" hahaha. Thank you.
Thank you, man. That’s one of the best video to know what this red box can do. Moreover, i didn’t get bored with this length of video because of your sense of humor.
Good job. I got one and it's been difficult. Couple days ... really. Your tutorial helps a bunch. And then some. Thanks.
Thank you so much for this. I have been going nuts for days (not much of a trip, admittedly) trying to get two tracks to play in series, verse/chorus/verse. You demonstrated it to the point where lo and behold, it works! Others have talked about it, but you put the video of your actual foot switch actions up and that made all the difference.
I have been playing for a long, long time... my 66 Strat was a 16th birthday present, for crying out loud... and I think your videos are terrific and highly entertaining. Jam on!
Ohm and very important question: can I configure the Boss vie Software instead the smal display?
Where did he explain this I need to go from track 1 verse to track 2 chorus with one push separated
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Hi Adrian
Yeah, this was a little tough to figure out.
Under Memory:
Play mode: Single
Single Change: Loop End
Track Change: Series
Record your verse or part on Track 1
Do the other part on Track 2
While playing either track back, at any time during the verse, click the Track Select button and then the Rec/Play button. When the playback reaches the end of the track you're on, it will go right into the other. Same thing to bring it back. You don't have to worry about timing, just somewhere near the point where you want to trigger the change.
When recording, it obviously helps to play right past the cutoff point a tiny bit so there won't be any dead air, so to speak, when the tracks switch.
I hope I've explained this well enough. It was a bear learning it, but good old Eystch got me pointed in the right direction.
To get the two tracks to play in time you have to ensure that you start the second track at the end of the first and end the second track at the end of the first as well
To do this you have have the display on “two tack position”
To get to that *menu *setup by pressing memory/value once scroll to 2TRACKPOS
then when recording on second track you must watch the screen and visually line the two tracks up
I hope that’s clear
It’s very annoying and inconvenient and unlike any other Boss looper ( and I have had them all) but the difference between 16 and 32 bit recording is worth it
Hey bro, Do you ever have sync problems changing from track A to B, and track 1 goes out of time. They are different legths
I’m waiting for mine to be delivered today. I appreciate the information!
I just bought one of these, looks like i'm gonna spend more time watching this video over and over again than playing the damn thing. Thank's for sharing this, this will be very helpfull.
i've been a long time follower and even if all this time i had been waiting just for this video, so THAAAAANK YOU. i've been looking for a looper that could have pre determined loop lengths. thank you, thank you, thank you. every other video has skimmed over this just saying "oh you can do this" but never showed how it worked.
Thanks henning for this ULTIMATE review 😊 this video is very useful !
If Boss is reading… here’s my 2cents as final customer :
• I’m using it with a 9v powerbank…works perfect.
• I have bought the expensive boss midi cable, quality cable but like you said, it’s way too expensive !
• Rythm section : i would like to have more rock/metal/pop & dance patterns ! The additional rythms available at « Boss tone central » are useless : they take the place of 1 looper track ! I would expect that we can import and add more rythm inside the rc500, not instead of a looper track…
• External midi pedalboard is mandatory if you want to use all the parameters : so add 150/200 € to the rc500 pricing…
• You have an xlr mic input for vocals … i would like in a future update to have the vocoder/robot/autotune effect like the RC505 !!!!
At the end, I’m happy with this rc500, but it needs a lot of menu diving, and it’s not always easy to locate some parameters. But quality is there and when fully extended with midi , it's a beast.
You can actually get male TRS to 5 pin MIDI female connectors that allow you to use any midi cable, and they’re not at all expensive. I’ve used them with my Boss RC5 and they work perfectly
There is lot of work there! Many thanks for the video. Nice job 👍
14:15 The reason BOSS stipulates specific model BOSS adapters is because *in some cases* some pedals draw more current than others. For pedals that draw a lot of current - say, one that pulls .5A, using a low current-rated 9v DC adapter - say, one rated for 200mA might work....for a few minutes....until the adapter catches fire. You need to respect current draw, and be careful when ignoring those adapter requirements. They're not always BS.
Very informative and funny learning! Thanks for this video!
Thanks dude that Video along with the manual helped a lot.
just shared your video to a friend whos getting this looper as you have a proper deep dive n to the product - thank you!
after 6 months.
boy this thing is corky!
congratulations for going through filming this without apparent brain damage.
and even more congratulations for making this video understandable
After 1:28:30: I am glad to own a simple Boss RC-1. What you do for customers cannot be appreciated enough! I would love to see a review of the Boss Nextone Amp series, which are in my opinion the most underrated solid-state amps out there ...
That standard poodle is great. they are so clever. your review is great too.
Thank you for this great, funny and informative review HP! By the way the MIDI cable is TRS-MIDI Cable A. If you search for that, there will be cables that are much cheaper! I got 3 for under 11€...And they are working with various Boss pedals ;)
thanks, important info
its probably possible to resolder one yourself too
You're a legend.. amazing video and very entertaining 😊
Danke für die Übersicht Henning. Wollte nur eben in Erfahrung bringen wie Stereo funktioniert und sofort gefunden
Thanks after hearing the learning curve. I'll go with keep it simple.
Thanks for the depth of your dive and candid commentary that is helpful for a new RC-500 owner. An hour-and-a-half is too much for a video like this, but nothing that some organization and planning wouldn't help with. Tip of the hat to the video editor who sped-up segues, sometimes accompanied with cool graphics, to bypass moments of silence, excessive noodling, etc. How do I get a studio like this?
Thank you very much for this video man. You really helped me :)
late to the party, but this is the best video on the rc 500 i watched - and i watched A LOT. well done and thanks!
Thanks mate ! Really the best tutorial for that thing :D
53:15 has helped me so much! Thank you!
Thank you , great explanation 👍
If they made a looper like the RC-2 with an output separately for the drum track....would be a game changer also in 32bit. The auto rec on the RC-2 is second to none by syncing everything to what is being played.
Thank you for you video review. It was definitely informative and I will probably buy the RC-500.
Coole Klamotten :)...tolles Video vielen Dank
You answered several questions I couldn't seem to figure out. I tried going through the 500 several times trying different things and yet still had problems doing what I wanted it to do. The instruction book is sort of vague on a lot of things. I'm going to have to watch this video several times to really absorb most of it. One thing I will recommend to everyone is to go on the Boss web site and download the latest operating system which is more stable in operation than the original version.
Wow HP...I didn't expect War and Peace length review when I clicked on this...🤣 ( still watched it all, damn you! LOL)
you didn't see time int he corner? Why in the world would you watch this whole thing?
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Great video thanks
Thank you for this video 👍👍
It's interesting to be able to send the drums to the output B. This way you can have guitar and drums go through different effect loops while playing live.
Hi there! Just bought myself the boss RC500!! What a demo you did!! Awesome!! Just a question, how do you path the RC 500 with the boss katana MKII 100? I don’t find any clear details on it.. and afraid of doing something wrong… the guitar in the input of the katana amp.. TRS cable from Boss RC 500 Input A to effects send in the katana - TRS cable from Boss RC 500 Output A to Effects return on the boss katana MKII amp?
Seriously nice work, Eytschpi42! After listening to your review, I am thinking of a decision tree in the form of a series of questions, The first for me being “do I want to record in serial or in parallel?” Each question sets Up prompts or reminders, things to keep in mind when pursuing a particular path. Probably, just by doing this I will get my head around the unit (coming tomorrow evening!), But I suspect it will help to catch the unexpected settings while I am learning. It reminds me of setting up PA for a live show: place the equipment, then run power, then run audio, then normalize gain- hey, wait! Why is there no sound? Ah, I left the break switch engaged. Why do I always forget that? The advantage of Boss loopers is their weakness: The unit is capable of setting up multiple scenarios, but because of that the unit requires setup for each scenario. It reminds me of the Apollo 11 moon landing: forgetting to turn off one switch overloaded The computers, throwing them into an otherwise unnecessary abort/continue decision. And somehow that reminds me of this meme: commas save lives! “Let’s eat, grandma.” Versus “Let’s eat grandma!” Enjoying your humor and your pets. Thanks for all your hard work on this.
why "seriously nice work Thomann"... what does Thomann have to do with this video?
@@EytschPi42 my mistake-thought Thomann was your name. Fixed it.
Interesting take on the TRS-to-MIDI standard issue.
love this stuff
Another quick question. If I want to name a loop is there a way to clear the existing name in one hit first (like a backspace) or do I need to start at the end and select each character and scroll to a blank working backwards? I find it very annoying to have to do this and can’t imagine there isn’t a simpler way.
Any advice as to how to use this as a midi master? If I were to midi sync a drum machine to it for example and let the rc-500 control the tempo and start/stop?
i have ordered the boss rc 500 and will read the manual, but i have a question re: loading wav files created on previous loopers ie rc 300. if i load into a 1 - 99 preset on the RC 500 that i have edited and saved all the various parameters discussed, will the wav file adopt those RC 500 parameters - ie play to that rhythm, effects, tempo, ctrl assignments, etc - or is there a container file that loads along with the wave files and replaces the current RC500 preset parameters?
Great vid thank you
I’m planning to get an expression pedal to control rhythm volume
I find I only use a range between 15 and 75 , is there a way to set those values as a minimum and maximum and save ?
Couldn’t find this in any documentation
Cheers
Jesus. Boss needs to give us more than two lines of text or an app that we can control it via Bluetooth. Great video. Thank you.
Damn that would be great!
"Comes with manual tremolo"... lmao! 😅 Great vid!
If you go to a 3/4 beat it has less beat options and also has the accent on the 1 where as a lot of waltz beats have the accent on the 2 and the 3
Does it have though the feature that the RC-10 has, which can make an outro fill on the drums? This is very useful if you want to use the drums on a live gig.
Watched this to decide if I wanted to buy the thing. Now that I’ve been using it for a while I’m watching again to see if I find something I’ve been missing.
Very good video.
I spent a few hours learning RC-500 (during February 2024) and returned it for several reasons... having to use the output jack to turn it on, having to disconnect the output jack to turn it off, no way to set rhythm volume globally, output cannot be used for headphones unless we like everything only in one ear. Two times of a rhythm coming through my speakers at volume level 100 pissed me off. It seems like it should be $55 not $350. It reminds me of little Coleco games in the 1970's and 1980's.
great video! I am trying to make the midi work with Midi Baby 3, dont know if they have "burst" any ideas how thaT would work?
can you connect Volca Drum to it?
Can you do that with just 2 of them(RC-500 being the master clock with midi out)?
Or do you need another piece of gear like BeatStep or KeyStep so they can sync?
Cool man!
Hi, is there a way to get the guitar recording out of Out B and the vocal recording out of Out A in order to send the first to the amp and the second to the vocal system?
Amazing video and amazing product. It s difficult to learn, but worth it. Question...why at times am I not able to change my loop length from a fixed number of measures on my track menu? I know I am missing something simple.
you can’t change it if you ready recorded a loop in that memory
Is there a way to turn on the auto rec function (where the loop starts recording only when you start playing) without menu diving for each loop/preset? My old Jamman had a button you could press to enable this. I want to buy the RC500, but don't want to go menu diving each time I want to enable this setting for a loop.
good stuff
I bought an official ROLAND midi cable with an after market adaptor (for the RC-500)... I've also been cussing for days wondering why it won't connect to my ROLAND drum machine. THANK YOU for clearing up this bullshit issue.
All 9v adapters works but there are some who gives a buzz or hum. That’s why they recommend they’re BOSS PSA adapters.
Watched this and your video on the rc10r.. aargh would love a combination of the two.. so which one to choose 🤔 I'm guessing for someone coming from the rc1 that the rc10r is a logical choice for added track and drums and "ease" of use?
Id like to see a more indepth on the midi capabilities. and parhaps a review on your midi controller pedal that you use. video was very helpful
Is there any way to add new rhythm patterns so that the pattern can be selected, the tempo changed, the level changed, parts 1-4 turned on/off, etc? I'm not finding any good patterns that put the accent on beat 3 of a 4/4 time signature. They all seem to accent beats 2 and 4.
Thanks for the video. I ABY 2 amps live and would like to put a loop on one amp I can step on with my rhythm so I can play the harmony on the other then step on it off when harmony part is done. Would this be a good pedal for that? I don’t need effects or drums. Thanks.
Can u get different drums for different loops? (in series mode I'm thinking it would be nice to be possibru).
Please somebody explain how you can assign different rhythms one to each track when you have the RC500 in single mode and you're using each track as Verse and Chorus. Thanks.
Hi, thanx for this very interesting video. I have a question about using a backing track and play over it in a special way. Don't know if what I want, is possible. Situation is as follows. I got a backing track of only the piano track of the song Feel from Robbie Williams. In the middle and in the end of this song is a part in were I (play the guitar) have to play two parts in the same time. First a riff and then the riff and a wah piece both together. So I thought this can be done by the RC500. But what I forget was that the backing track is playing the whole song and there only twice a part were I would use the looper. So, is it possible to let the looper play the backing track on Track 1, and if we are in the middle, I can switch the looper on to record on track 2 and then record the riff. After the riff, I let loop the riff and can play the wah piece over it, while the backing track goes on on track 1. What happened is, that if I start to play the backing track from beginning, and goes to track 2, it seems that recording on track 2 is still on. The recording on track 2 should starting only when I hit it in the middle or end of the song.
Wirklich gut und umfaasend erklärt Henning, würde mich aber eher für den RC-600 interessieren. Ok, viel Arbeit trotzdem: kommt das mal? Alex
21:02 PEAK SRC is the green light above the input button to see if your signal is clean (green) slightly hot (yellow) or peaking (red) for your input sources (or other options)
Hi :) Master, what good cheap driver would you recommend to boss rc 500? :)
Even being a paid review, thank you for your honest comments! Thats what we are looking for.
I saw that you also made a review of the Harley Benton Midi Controller (aka Melo Audio Midi Commander, which I own). I was wondering if this MIDI Controller would work with RC 500 as you have mention that MIDI message should be 127 and 0 on a single push of a button. Thanks!!!
as gar as I know the Melo can’t do that. It is fairly limited.
Theres any way around to send the click/metronome/rythm only to hear it in a headphones and none in the speakers? As it doens't have any dedicated phones out seems it wouldn't be possible right?? :(
how do i use my behringer FCV-100 volume pedal with my RC500? How do I setup my RC500 to accept to control the current track volume?
I noticed you finished recorded and started playing Loop 1 before recording Loop 2 and jumping back to Loop 1.
Is it possible to finish recording Loop 1 (verse) and instantly start recording Loop2 (chorus)?
i just bought the RC500 and noticed an immediate problem. when i record a loop in either track and alter the tempo even slightly, it cause the loop soung to distort as a warble.
i've updated the system version to 1.02 and turned off all loop FX, still the same problem. i've contacted Boss and waiting for an answer. do i have a defective unit or is this a product design defect?
Thank you for the tutorial. It is very helpful! I cant find a solution for this... Today i rec on my daw an intro to transfer it on rc500, and when i connected to the amp the sound was extremely loud. I thought that it was the output dB....I returned to the daw and i change the output volume at -12 dB and the problem still exist. The looper has the new update. Any ideas???? Thank you again :)
What is the difference with T2 output A (T1 output B) and T2 PAN L50 or R50?
Hey, thank you so much for this very useful review!
Did you figure out a way to make midi controller work when it just send 127 messages in CC?
Because I bought the MP-100 from Harley Benton and realize that it's not working the way it should. You can edit the custom mode and set it toggle, but it means that you have to press 2 times for every actions...
Maybe there's another way to program the mp100, to make it send 127 when pressed down and 0 when released?
This was exactly my concern! Right now i'm looking for the best midi foot controller to easily work with this thing and have the 8 toggles at your disposition. Was thinking of the Harley Benton MP-100 or the old Behringer FCB-1010. Thought of going for the Harley Benton but if what you're stating is the only option to make it work, its a hassle. Curious what other people's experiences are!
Hi and thank you very much! I'm a sax and keyboards player, and I've been told by a friend I should buy a looper for live gigs (you know nowadays it's more and more difficult to play with bands for little gigs so I'm thinking to play alone sometimes - we need money too ;-).
The problem is that I'm not good with electronic and computers, menus etc... I first thought to buy RC3 (I don't know if you can use it with a sax), now I'm checking RC500...
What would you advice me to buy if I want to prepare at home loops with keyoard or sax (3 or 4 parts), and then go play live, knowing that I would prefer an easy one? RC500 seems to have a very complicated menu, I'm not sure if I can use it... Thank you again!
I forgot: Since I'll play outside I'd like to know what is the autonomy if you play with batteries? (I checked but didn't find a sure answer). Thank you again
can the ispot power supply be used with rc-500. mine is 9v 1500ma center neg.
I got a digital piano casio, how can I conect it to my rc 500?HELP! Wich midi cable do I need to use and how can configurate it to play with the guitar
Dayuum! Calling out BOSS on their adapter like that!
Nice Rant, that's why I watch this channel daily. For the Truth : )
Qq
What about something simple like recording one of the great full song backing tracks from UA-cam, But, with the ability to have control (from this loop station) of the tempo for the pre-recorded backing track to one track, then your rhythm and lead on the 2nd track instead of struggling with being a drummer and guitar player trying to figure out ALL the options it provides? Can adjusting the tempo of ANY pre-recorded, full song backing track be done on any brand looper out there?
Does anyone know whether track 2 (on parallel mode) must be the same length or multiples of track 1. For instance, can I record a two measure percussion loop on track 1 and record a 16 measure loop on track 2 with track 1 repeating 8 times?
Does anyone know of a detailed video walkthrough of how to use the xsonic midi with the RC-500? The section on MIDI here was super fast and low on how to do things. I mean a video that details how to use the xsonic app and how to do that send 127-0 mentioned, it wasn't explained. I'm not having much success with mine.
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Great video. Thanks for putting the effort in. Had my RC-500 since last week and was frustrated at lack of in depth video so perfect timing.
One query/issue it still have is to do with Rhythm variations. You mention the A and B variations but don’t demonstrate. I cannot get these to change at all, end of loop or end of measure it doesn’t happen. Any idea?
You also mention creating a preset and copying it to other memories but don’t explain how (I may have missed it as fell asleep for 5 minutes somewhere in the middle) ;-)
just make a preset, hit save and pick a new memory... do it for all of them.
As for variations.... you have to assign a variation change to a foot controller
@@EytschPi42 thank for the reply. Annoys me that count in isn’t on by default and would also like to reduce level of drums globally. Will have a go at a custom preset tomorrow. Was under the impression than the A/B transition was something you could set without needing to trigger with pedal. Thanks for clarifying.
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I play whatever I have in my hands... I don't care about radius!
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I have almost no sound when I connect it to stereo fx loop.
Can you please advise?
Great video.
If anyone could help me. How should I connect RC500 with my Boss GT1 guitar processor and then to the stereo PA mixer? What cables should I use? ( balanced or unbalanced)
Thank you in advance:)
I'm a completely novice with these things
Kind regards
Awesome Tutorial - far out!! After all - how do you copy the preset? You mentioned it so often but did not say how….? Got the RC500 yesterday😊
save it to another slot, then save it to another slot again
Ah, of course - vielen Dank 🤩
i think the fact that you can use midi to swith each parts of the drum kits on and off is awsome, and i hope ppl didnt miss that, it is like the drum part itself is a 4 layered looper with two traks and even fills when you switch between them if you want , you can use a controller to switch kits and patterns on the go too, that is UNLESS you chose to play and record your own drum patterns using any of the onboard kits trough midi in (they have many samples eachas you will find out when playing them with a keyboard, opens up for almost limitless loads of new variations
This is a game changer. So could i sent midi from my Novation Circuit to use as parts in the RC-500 drum kits? I also have an Electribe with drum and bass samples... Thx
how many undo's do you get on both tracks?