I will now coin the term "lang lang", a language created specifically to understand and interpret language. Things like the IPA, standardised forms of languages, and the like, are all considered lang langs as they try to make sense and interpret language; whether it be one aspect of language, or a specific language (or language family) alone.
Jargon in this video: natlang conlang a priori a posteriori auxlang eng(e)lang minilang personal language IAL - international auxiliary language artlang collablang clong jokelang speedlang stealthlang xenolang nat(uralistic )conlang conpidgin standard language signlang dancelang flaglang loglang philosophical language histlang protolang(uage) musiclang bogolang altlang relex helllang germaniclang slaviclanguage creolang pidglang cipherlang emojilang sketchlang kitchen-sink conlang
Is Esperanto a conlang or a natlang √ Exists in the real world √ Has native speakers ~Decends from a real life proto-language ~Has been evolving for all of history
Esperanto is an international auxilliary conlang! The (impressive) fact that Esperanto has native speakers, nor the fact that it was based on real languages or evolved naturally does not detract from the fact that Esp. has artificial beginnings. c:
It does evolve though. You couldn't always say "la viro bluas" to mean "the man is blue" (bluas is verb in the present tense); at first, you'd have to say "la viro estas blua".
@@felicvik9456 not so fast! there are the lesser known religions of MarBarkerism (which I myself subscribe), Langism (occasionally thought to be a subject of esperantism, but still debatable. Jan Misali is a Langist), the is Ithkuilism (which can be further direct into oligosyntheticism and clongism), and then there was the religion that separated from Tolkinism, which is Neo-Tolkinism (primarily new conlangers, it snares a few who pretentiously see themselves as better than tolkien. its surprisingly more similar than you'd expect.). we should make a doc of the conlang faiths.
Heck, man, you might only have "a few hundred subscribers", but you've already got font support! I've been conlanging since, like, sometime before 2007, and all I've got to show for it is a few FrathWiki pages.
Man I’m scared to post much in the conlanging subreddit. I stopped posting on the zompist forums because I felt like people were snubbing me because I was ‘noobish’.
"Intro" indeed. Now that all the "-langs" are out of the way, we can get into the real meat and potatoes of conlanging. Just where would you even start?
Think you got a few of those wrong, Agma... An engelang is not so specific as you described; it's any language which is engineered rather than crafted artistically or intended as an auxlang etc. It was originally defined in terms of involving objective criteria which the resulting language can be checked against. I personally prefer thinking in terms of a "conceptual language" - a language based on a specific concept or principle, which is its whole point. This is a term used by Jan van Steenbergen in his classification system. Good examples of engelangs include Wilkins' Language, Ro, Babm, aUI, Loglan, Lojban, AllNoun, Láadan, Liva, Ceqli, Fith, Kelen, Toki Pona, Ithkuil. Some of those count as other things such as artlangs or auxlangs at the same time.
Finally I know the term for my conlang: it's a stealthlang/artlang/collablang. I'm not sure about the stealthlang thing, cuz I have no problem telling about my language, but it's used for specifically me and my two friends to speak. (btw it's name is Joxaski, pronounced [ˈjo̞.ʀ̝̊a.ski])
@@elliottsampson1454 χ is a fricative, while ʀ̝̊ is a fricative-trill. My native language is Hebrew, and usually when I try to pronounce χ, it becomes more of a ʀ̝̊ (as happens to many native speakers today), so when creating my languages phonology, I just decided it'll be the ordinary pronunciation.
I hope you realize that you are to David as Jesus is to God (dramatic ik but it's a good analogy) you have done a great service to the entire conlang community, and you should know this.
There's also a difference between NATural language and NATive language. I guess one could tell one from another by posessive personal pronoun in front of the thing. Like: natlang - natural language; my natlang - my native language.
Also another word for minilang is simplisticlanguage or simplelang Also Bee's use natdancelang (naturalistic dance lang) to communicate whare a flower is
to me the problem its the complex lingustics terms that i dont have any idea of what it means and when i ask they explain me with more complicated words and i keep asking and in the final i end up with a wall of text that i still dont understand the concept
natlang = real language, conlang = fake language a-priori = starting from scratch, a-postiori (you probably meant a-posteriori?) = based on existing language(s?) auxlang = a serious conlang meant for real life, artlang = a not-serious conlang which is not meant for real life ial = a VERY serious conlang that wants to be a lingua franca, or even THE lingua franca englang = conlang which is specific to a weird extent, or in weird ways romlang = fake romance language, germaniclang = fake germanic language, slaviclang = fake slavic language natconlang = a pretend natlang, creolang = a pretend creole, pidginlang = a pretend pidgin minilang = extremely simplified language, presumably less functional (does tok pisin count?) personal lang = a conlang not meant to be published collablang = when a group of people create a conlang together conpidgin = a collablang made by people who refuse to talk to each other, except in the language they're making clong = a conlang that is funny in the abstract, jokelang = a disparaging term for a clong helllang = a clong made to be comically user-hostile xenolang = a language made to be exotic and different and defy existing conventions kitchen sink conlang = a rookie conlang that has far too many linguistic features relex = an a-posteriori conlang that makes only superficial changes to an existing language stealthlang = a language made for relaying secret messages (do hobo signs count?) cipherlang = a language made to be encrypted? standardlang = an a-posteriori language considered a natlang because it was created by authority figures signlang = sign (gestural) language, flaglang = semaphore-like language loglang = a language created to imitate computer code and/or math philosophical lang = a conlang hypothetically created to enable new types of ideas and/or discussions? protolang = a language that was used as the basis for a histlang histlang = a conlang that mimics the process of language evolution? dancelang = dance-based sign language, musiclang = a conlang that imitates music (are these loglangs?) bogolang = an auxlang that frankensteins two languages together altlang = an imaginary language from an alternate history emojilang = did you know "emoji" is japanese for "picture symbol" and the similarity to "emote" is coincidental? sketchlang = an incomplete or half-baked conlang anadew = acronym, "a natlang did even worse", acadew = "a conlang did even worse" (are these real???) lexember = a challenge to add a word to your conlang every day for a month and post it online speedlang = a language created under a time constraint as a fun challenge
Clongers: make entire languages
Also clongers: con- goes before every word and -lang goes after every word
ConIlang Conlovelang conyoulang
Conconlanglang
conmelang: conhahalang conilang conlikelang conyourlang confunnylang conwordslang conmagiclang conmanlang
I will now coin the term "lang lang", a language created specifically to understand and interpret language. Things like the IPA, standardised forms of languages, and the like, are all considered lang langs as they try to make sense and interpret language; whether it be one aspect of language, or a specific language (or language family) alone.
The IPA is really a conscript rather than a conlang.
Metalinguistics!
All I can think of now is a candle with scents of patchouli, sandalwood, and *lang lang*
That would technically be a jargon, I think.
As a Chicagoan I can't get over the fact that this sounds like gang gang and I love it, godspeed to this man
Jargon in this video:
natlang
conlang
a priori
a posteriori
auxlang
eng(e)lang
minilang
personal language
IAL - international auxiliary language
artlang
collablang
clong
jokelang
speedlang
stealthlang
xenolang
nat(uralistic )conlang
conpidgin
standard language
signlang
dancelang
flaglang
loglang
philosophical language
histlang
protolang(uage)
musiclang
bogolang
altlang
relex
helllang
germaniclang
slaviclanguage
creolang
pidglang
cipherlang
emojilang
sketchlang
kitchen-sink conlang
ANADEW: Another Natlang Already Did (It), Except Worse
ACADEW: Another Conlang...
Lexember: Lexicon December
6:01 *sudden discord notification*
Leave it aspiring linguists to make up dozens of terms that are only marginally better than just saying what they are outright.
Is Esperanto a conlang or a natlang
√ Exists in the real world
√ Has native speakers
~Decends from a real life proto-language
~Has been evolving for all of history
Esperanto is an international auxilliary conlang!
The (impressive) fact that Esperanto has native speakers, nor the fact that it was based on real languages or evolved naturally does not detract from the fact that Esp. has artificial beginnings. c:
It does evolve though. You couldn't always say "la viro bluas" to mean "the man is blue" (bluas is verb in the present tense); at first, you'd have to say "la viro estas blua".
conlang because it's "CONstructed"
@@masondipperpines5009 i didnt said im real
@@janKanali okay
**excited to finally understand you**
"Our lord, our hero David Peterson"
😅 Guess I am more of an outsider than you presume
Hehehe, that's an explanation for another day
In the conlang society you leave your religion and join Petersonism, Tolkinism or Esperantism
@@felicvik9456 not so fast! there are the lesser known religions of MarBarkerism (which I myself subscribe), Langism (occasionally thought to be a subject of esperantism, but still debatable. Jan Misali is a Langist), the is Ithkuilism (which can be further direct into oligosyntheticism and clongism), and then there was the religion that separated from Tolkinism, which is Neo-Tolkinism (primarily new conlangers, it snares a few who pretentiously see themselves as better than tolkien. its surprisingly more similar than you'd expect.). we should make a doc of the conlang faiths.
4:31 It's _ā postERiōrī_ (from Lat. _posterior_ ‘following, coming after’).
Boi use IPA
This is such a helpful guide that I wish I had when I began conlanging! Amazing thought, Nguh! :3
“Esperanto isn’t an IAL”.
*nods*
Heck, man, you might only have "a few hundred subscribers", but you've already got font support! I've been conlanging since, like, sometime before 2007, and all I've got to show for it is a few FrathWiki pages.
I'm also a starter in the community
Who wants to help me make a romlang englang philosophical-lang loglang artlang collablang clong hellang kitchen-sink-lang conlang?
Still up for it?
@@greenkitty1 sure, why not
@@globalincident694 are you on the conlangs discord or agma schwa discord?
@@greenkitty1 no
@@greenkitty1 I've joined agma schwa, see you there
Wow. We make up enteire languages, but most of our vocabulary ends on "-lang"?
We realy should question ourselfs...
Who doesn't love agglutination?
Man I’m scared to post much in the conlanging subreddit. I stopped posting on the zompist forums because I felt like people were snubbing me because I was ‘noobish’.
"Intro" indeed. Now that all the "-langs" are out of the way, we can get into the real meat and potatoes of conlanging. Just where would you even start?
I would recommend checking out Artifexian’s videos.
Think you got a few of those wrong, Agma...
An engelang is not so specific as you described; it's any language which is engineered rather than crafted artistically or intended as an auxlang etc. It was originally defined in terms of involving objective criteria which the resulting language can be checked against. I personally prefer thinking in terms of a "conceptual language" - a language based on a specific concept or principle, which is its whole point. This is a term used by Jan van Steenbergen in his classification system.
Good examples of engelangs include Wilkins' Language, Ro, Babm, aUI, Loglan, Lojban, AllNoun, Láadan, Liva, Ceqli, Fith, Kelen, Toki Pona, Ithkuil. Some of those count as other things such as artlangs or auxlangs at the same time.
Finally I know the term for my conlang: it's a stealthlang/artlang/collablang.
I'm not sure about the stealthlang thing, cuz I have no problem telling about my language, but it's used for specifically me and my two friends to speak. (btw it's name is Joxaski, pronounced [ˈjo̞.ʀ̝̊a.ski])
why write it /ʀ̝̊/ instead of /χ/? is there a difference?
@@elliottsampson1454 χ is a fricative, while ʀ̝̊ is a fricative-trill. My native language is Hebrew, and usually when I try to pronounce χ, it becomes more of a ʀ̝̊ (as happens to many native speakers today), so when creating my languages phonology, I just decided it'll be the ordinary pronunciation.
@@gal749 I'm dumb, i mixed up ʀ and ʁ
@@gal749 also native hebrew speaker, and I agree with what you said, but what does the upside down kamats thing under the R represent?
@@novaace2474 Means it's a raised phone - in this case, fricated.
Wow this is an old comment. Joxaski is long gone lol
15:16 have you heard about -the beautiful creation that is- qhertsan?
I hope you realize that you are to David as Jesus is to God (dramatic ik but it's a good analogy) you have done a great service to the entire conlang community, and you should know this.
Oh dang, thats a powerful metaphor, hahaha, thanks so much!
Is Hawaiian dance, luau I think, a natural dancelang?
There's also a difference between NATural language and NATive language. I guess one could tell one from another by posessive personal pronoun in front of the thing. Like: natlang - natural language; my natlang - my native language.
this guy its my savior
I have multiple conlangs, and cause I love Romance languages the moast of them are romlangs, but I also have 2 islolates and 1 germanic conlang.
Vötgil be like: qr
More like VötGwd.
@@WillBassman
Confusingly, if you pulled the lang out of your posterior, it's not a posteriori.
I'm sure Conlang Community is speaking agglutinative language
Hi
howdy
Hi zhl
@@MiMiBrokenbourgh zhl is a terrible approximation of a voiced lateral fricative XD
@@user-vc7ur1hd2s well then źl or žl
@@MiMiBrokenbourgh lol
Also another word for minilang is simplisticlanguage or simplelang
Also Bee's use natdancelang (naturalistic dance lang) to communicate whare a flower is
Boi nguh is popular 😌
bees have a natural dancelang.
6:01 SHIET
*Modern High German laughing in being a Standard language*
Technically it's minlang, not minilang
For me the terminology barrier has not been a problem within linguistics and conlaŋing.
to me the problem its the complex lingustics terms that i dont have any idea of what it means and when i ask they explain me with more complicated words and i keep asking and in the final i end up with a wall of text that i still dont understand the concept
any interesting cipher lang suggestion?
Uses the parts of the letters that stick out for a separate language
why not just regular sign language, easy to do secretly
@@holdingpattern245 loking for written and maybe pronounced kind of thing
I think half of these was coined by your discord but very usfull because its very difficult to commnicate these ideas somtimes
english is a nat-aux-enge-lang
a postiori
natlang = real language, conlang = fake language
a-priori = starting from scratch, a-postiori (you probably meant a-posteriori?) = based on existing language(s?)
auxlang = a serious conlang meant for real life, artlang = a not-serious conlang which is not meant for real life
ial = a VERY serious conlang that wants to be a lingua franca, or even THE lingua franca
englang = conlang which is specific to a weird extent, or in weird ways
romlang = fake romance language, germaniclang = fake germanic language, slaviclang = fake slavic language
natconlang = a pretend natlang, creolang = a pretend creole, pidginlang = a pretend pidgin
minilang = extremely simplified language, presumably less functional (does tok pisin count?)
personal lang = a conlang not meant to be published
collablang = when a group of people create a conlang together
conpidgin = a collablang made by people who refuse to talk to each other, except in the language they're making
clong = a conlang that is funny in the abstract, jokelang = a disparaging term for a clong
helllang = a clong made to be comically user-hostile
xenolang = a language made to be exotic and different and defy existing conventions
kitchen sink conlang = a rookie conlang that has far too many linguistic features
relex = an a-posteriori conlang that makes only superficial changes to an existing language
stealthlang = a language made for relaying secret messages (do hobo signs count?)
cipherlang = a language made to be encrypted?
standardlang = an a-posteriori language considered a natlang because it was created by authority figures
signlang = sign (gestural) language, flaglang = semaphore-like language
loglang = a language created to imitate computer code and/or math
philosophical lang = a conlang hypothetically created to enable new types of ideas and/or discussions?
protolang = a language that was used as the basis for a histlang
histlang = a conlang that mimics the process of language evolution?
dancelang = dance-based sign language, musiclang = a conlang that imitates music (are these loglangs?)
bogolang = an auxlang that frankensteins two languages together
altlang = an imaginary language from an alternate history
emojilang = did you know "emoji" is japanese for "picture symbol" and the similarity to "emote" is coincidental?
sketchlang = an incomplete or half-baked conlang
anadew = acronym, "a natlang did even worse", acadew = "a conlang did even worse" (are these real???)
lexember = a challenge to add a word to your conlang every day for a month and post it online
speedlang = a language created under a time constraint as a fun challenge