The Phonological Evolution of Conlangs

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  • @DillonHartwigPersonalChannel
    @DillonHartwigPersonalChannel 4 роки тому +187

    Slight correction: the example given for dissimilation is actually another example of assimilation. Otherwise, 10/10 video (:

    • @MrRyanroberson1
      @MrRyanroberson1 3 роки тому +8

      this is actually a vital correction

    • @martinlelarge
      @martinlelarge 2 роки тому +6

      The creator probably meant, tup + mi -> tupni, but yeah I also noticed 😅

    • @betzalelbrook8948
      @betzalelbrook8948 Рік тому

      It's literally the example for the assimilation but backwards ("the other way around")😂

    • @Reansel
      @Reansel Рік тому +7

      An example of dissimilation is the Spanish word "cárcel" (jail or prison), coming from Latin "carcer". The second R dissimilated to L to differentiate from the first one.

    • @Hiljaa_
      @Hiljaa_ Рік тому

      ʡeter

  • @Liggliluff
    @Liggliluff 3 роки тому +57

    (7:15) /y/ and /ø/ are very intuitive when you're a speaker of a Nordic language. Those symbols are used for those sounds. "yla" /y:lä/, øga /ø:gä/.

  • @Liggliluff
    @Liggliluff 3 роки тому +88

    (2:30) In Swedish, definite is a suffix of a word, so "äpple" becomes "äpplet", and "katt" becomes "katten". You could apply the same trick to English by going with "apple"→"thapple", and "cat"→"thicat".

    • @iddqdfomin1593
      @iddqdfomin1593 2 роки тому +6

      actually you couldn't! i read it in a comment, and it has something to do with how speakers make pauses in their speech. an example would be "remember the video with the... dog?": in that sentence, when remembering what the video was about, the person makes a pause. this happens fairly frequently so you could not prefix "the" to nouns.
      but, you can definitely suffix definite articles because of the same reason
      (sorry for my bad english, non-native speaker)

    • @skyworm8006
      @skyworm8006 2 роки тому +9

      @@iddqdfomin1593 This is just a product of spelling. In reality there's no such distinction that is decisively clear. However, we can make judgements based on syntax. But to squabble over labels is nonsense.

    • @Hwelhos
      @Hwelhos 2 роки тому +5

      i wouldnt, u can pause in between which u normally couldnt if it was a prefix
      however whe could pull a french whichd say l'apple and say "th'apple" (maybe even "þ'apple") while itd be "la chatte" and so "the cat"

    • @HoodieProxyYT
      @HoodieProxyYT Рік тому

      @@Hwelhos​​⁠just a note "pomme" is apple and it would be la pomme BUT we do use l' like l'homme and l'internet

    • @Hwelhos
      @Hwelhos Рік тому

      @hoodieproxyyt96 ofc, it was just an example of how the artivle works :p

  • @salumtheconlang2953
    @salumtheconlang2953 4 роки тому +45

    impressive, btw, my favourite sound change is in Old Norse, -nnr > -ðr, e.g. mannr > maðr

  • @columbus8myhw
    @columbus8myhw 3 роки тому +29

    Fun fact: some dialects of Yiddish have a s-ʃ merger (also an i-u merger), meaning the word for "foot" (originally "fus") and "fish" ("fish") both became "fis". To resolve the ambiguity, they added the Belarussian translation, so "foot" became "fisnohe" and "fish" became "fisribe".
    EDIT: Northeastern Yiddish specifically

    • @wilhelmseleorningcniht9410
      @wilhelmseleorningcniht9410 3 роки тому

      I thought Northeastern Yiddish didn't typically have the I-U merger? I think that typical of more southern and central dialects, like Polish ones

    • @k-techpl7222
      @k-techpl7222 6 місяців тому

      The s-ʂ merger (depostalveorisation more generally) is a relatively well-known dialectal feature in Polish, where it is known as Mazuration.

  • @fsbayer
    @fsbayer 2 роки тому +13

    I would add some caveats to sound change rules.
    Regarding rule 1 - if a language is written and the orthographic standard is retained for a long time, it can actually have an effect on future sound changes through mechanisms like hypercorrection and deliberate archaism in connection with sociolinguistic factors (prestige etc). Instances like that break rule 1.
    As for rule 2 - this is essentially the neogrammarian hypothesis defined a bit more narrowly, but basically, it just doesn't hold true. It holds true for the *vast majority* of changes, but there are almost always exceptions. Consider vowel lengthening in "off" and "often" in Received Pronunciation: This change does not affect, e.g. offal nor offer. Now sure, you could create a convoluted phonological hypothesis for this (change only occurs in monosyllabic words or in the first syllable of a disyllabic word where the second syllable has a nasal coda), but the far simpler explanation is that the change is incidental to a specific word or set of words, or indeed you could argue that it is governed by grammatical categories - prepositions and adverbs yes, anything else no. But even if you reject that, the point remains that languages *occasionally* feature sound changes that affect only a handful of words (or even just a single word) with no sensibly identifiable phonological reason.

  • @scptime1188
    @scptime1188 3 роки тому +8

    This is before watching but just remember that sounds shifting does not always constitute a new language, or even the introduction of a new sound. If, for example, unvoiced stops become voiced between vowels, this does not mean your language has voiced stops. All it means is that voiced stops are an ALLAPHONIC VARIATION of unvoiced stops. Like how in english, we actually have a palatal fricative, it's just an allaphone of /h/ (e.g "hue"). Tbis applies to all sound changes. English also has allophonic aspirated stops and, in many varieties of American English, an allophonic tap sound.
    Also on thing to note is that sound changes should verrryyyy roughly aim to make the language easier to speak. It doesn't make sense for a sound change to spread if it is impractical. However, what counts as "easier to speak" depends on lots of things.
    FINALLY, note that, if you're aiming for the evolution of a new language, you will always have to change grammar and vocabulary too. New words will be introduced to the language, prefixes and suffixes will degrade over time, new grammatical distinctions wil be added, loan words can be introduced and changed over time, etc... all of these are just as important as the changing of sounds in your language.

  • @GlaceonStudios
    @GlaceonStudios 4 роки тому +26

    Maybe after all is said and done, Examplish's aspirated sounds could lenify into fricatives: /ph/ > /f/, /bh/ > /v/, /kh/ > /x/, etc.

    • @kayinth9136
      @kayinth9136  4 роки тому +17

      I do quite like that idea, since /ɢʰ/ would become /ʁ/ we'd have a rhotic again and I've never been very good at distinguishing aspirated sounds from unaspirated ones. I might slip it in at the start of the Lexical Evolution video, whenever that comes out

    • @GlaceonStudios
      @GlaceonStudios 4 роки тому

      @@kayinth9136 Great! I look forward to it. I'm actually surprised you haven't been as noticed as you are.

    • @GlaceonStudios
      @GlaceonStudios 4 роки тому +1

      @@kayinth9136 Also, close vowels tend to become approximants next to other vowels. Perhaps the current /w/ sound could become a /v\/ somehow, and then there could be /j/, /w/, and /hy/?

    • @w0lf370
      @w0lf370 3 роки тому +1

      i would say /fh/ > /f/ > /v/ > /ɯ/

    • @eufalesio1146
      @eufalesio1146 3 роки тому +2

      /ʁ/ can be a non-rhotic sound, I'd say that "rhotic" is more of a phonotactical name than a phonic name

  • @colireg
    @colireg 4 роки тому +15

    this dude deserves more subscribes

  • @zanziboi
    @zanziboi 3 роки тому +13

    0:50 I don't think that's always true. Southern US English dialects were historically non-rhotic, but they've now became rhotic again recently.

    • @cellularautomaton.
      @cellularautomaton. 2 роки тому +13

      that's from influence by other us dialects, not just an undo of the sound change

    • @TheLukeLsd
      @TheLukeLsd 2 роки тому +2

      That's not language evolution but exterior influence.

    • @Hwelhos
      @Hwelhos Рік тому +3

      that isnt undoing the sound shift, its shifting rhotics back in

    • @chesspiece4257
      @chesspiece4257 Рік тому +1

      @@TheLukeLsdthey lost the rhotic also due to other languages, which is a type of evolution

  • @gamerrfm9478
    @gamerrfm9478 4 роки тому +21

    This is the quality content I like to see

  • @jobda1211
    @jobda1211 3 роки тому +7

    In polish once were the sound é [e], which generally evolved in e [ε], but exact evolution of it were different depending on the grammar, old endings -éj [ej] and -ém [em] become -y [ɨ] and -em [εm] in nouns, but -ej [εj] and -ym [ɨm] in adjectives

    • @k-techpl7222
      @k-techpl7222 6 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, these sound shift rules are weakened once the culture has developed writing. Writing allows speakers to notice sound changes and in turn respond to them (reintroduce sounds, apply sound changes grammatically, etc.).
      On a side note. It's interesting to note that in Silesian (around which you get a bit of a heated debate nowadays), that old é seems to have almost exclusively shifted to an y sound.

  • @Miramepictures
    @Miramepictures 3 роки тому +9

    Sandhi संधी from Sanskrit meaning 'to join'

  • @maxreenoch1661
    @maxreenoch1661 3 роки тому +24

    NASALIZATION
    ALSO KNOW AS...
    FRENCH
    I laughed waaaay too hard at this lol

    • @lukesmith8896
      @lukesmith8896 3 роки тому

      Les enfants sont dans ton grand train

  • @MarcyYorsa
    @MarcyYorsa 3 роки тому +10

    Wonderful stuff, rigam! This taught me a good few new things about conlanging!
    Your explanation indeed adds a new perspective and new info about sound changes which I've not come across in the other conlanger channels I follow
    Can't wait to see more from ya! And yes, I can agree I prefer not to use formal notation x3

  • @Czar_Moss
    @Czar_Moss 2 роки тому +2

    3:07 French all dramatic like a smash intro is so stupid I laughed

  • @jorder85
    @jorder85 4 роки тому +10

    Awesome! Can’t wait for the other videos in this, I can never do grammatical or lexical evolution right

  • @seilaessecanalnvaitervideo6414
    @seilaessecanalnvaitervideo6414 4 роки тому +4

    this video should have more views and this channel more subscribers

  • @user-vc7ur1hd2s
    @user-vc7ur1hd2s 4 роки тому +8

    I love it! thank you!

  • @tobiasglendenning7966
    @tobiasglendenning7966 Рік тому +1

    This is the most useful video on this topic I've found

  • @nicholasbridges7857
    @nicholasbridges7857 4 місяці тому

    Hi I enjoyed this and would love the next two it was very helpful

  • @Liggliluff
    @Liggliluff 3 роки тому +17

    (1:20) Interesting fact, there's an official ISO language code for Sentinelese, being "std". In case it's an actual real language, so it has forward compatibility. Now if we only could get some samples of that presumable language, that would be lovely.

    • @cerberaodollam
      @cerberaodollam 3 роки тому +4

      Well, considering that human contact is a bit dangerous... Drones maybe?

  • @kevinschreiner4179
    @kevinschreiner4179 5 місяців тому

    6:53 thats so interesting! Korean did the exact opposite transformation and now lacks rounded versions of i and e.

  • @EdricoftheWeald
    @EdricoftheWeald 2 роки тому

    This has become my favourite conlang channel, love it

  • @Budkalon
    @Budkalon 3 роки тому +6

    Great video! It sums up many things I have been telling my friends about
    I also have this one sound (or word?) change that happens quite frequently in my native language (and so in my conlangs): the reanalysis. It happens to 'smoothen' the word, It has to do with politeness in my language. Like, some sounds might be considered as 'too sacred' etc
    For example, many old-Sundanese /w/ sounds become "nc" /ɲt͡ʃ/ in modern Sundanese
    sawah > sanca,
    rawa > ranca,
    kiwa > kénca,
    labah > lawah > lancah,
    etc

  • @89Awww
    @89Awww 3 роки тому +15

    I'm working on a world occupied my humanoids (which resemble *nymphs*) and a specific mountain-dwelling ethnic group of them called Oreads (named after mountain nymphs in Greek mythology). They live in high altitudes with little vegetation so they evolved specialized sensitive ears to help them hunt. These ears allow them to hear the slightest differences in pronunciation from far away and enable their languages to have vast phonemic inventories beyond regular human speech. Here is my detailed phonological evolution from ancient Proto North Nymphic to the remote Modern Oread language and how 22 proto consonants & 6 proto vowels gradually became 260 consonants, 27 vowels and 12 diphthongs:
    Proto North Nymphic
    Consonants bilabial dental alveolar palatal velar epiglottal glottal
    plosive *p b *t *d *k *g *ʔ
    fricative *ɸ β *θ *ð *s *z *x *ɣ *ħ
    nasal *m *n
    approximant *l *j *w
    trill *r
    Vowels front mid high
    high i u
    mid e ə o
    low ɑ
    Proto North Nymphic to Old Pasture:
    oʔ < o̰ (creaky voice from glottal plosive)
    st < t͡s (afficate creating metathesis)
    ami < äm (i-mutation)
    tət < tː (schwa dropping between identical consonants)
    dit < did (consonant voicing harmony)
    kθ, ft < t̪͡θ (non-sibilant dental affricates from dental fricative + any plosive)
    sp < p͡ɸ (afficate creating metathesis)
    sk < k͡x (afficate creating metathesis)
    Old Pasture:
    Consonants bilabial dental alveolar palatal velar glottal
    short long short long short long
    plosive voiced b bː d dː g gː
    devoiced p pː t tː k kː ʔ
    affricat voiced d̪͡ð d̪͡ðː d͡z d͡zː
    devoiced p͡ɸ p͡ɸː t̪͡θ t̪͡θː t͡s t͡sː k͡x k͡xː
    fricative voiced β βː ð ðː z zː ɣ ɣː
    devoiced ɸ ɸː θ θː s sː x xː h
    nasal plain m mː n nː
    creaky m̰ n̰
    trill r rː
    approximant j w
    lateral affricate t͡ɬ t͡ɬː
    approximant l lː
    Vowels front mid back
    unrounded rounded unrounded rounded
    plain creaky plain creaky plain creaky plain creaky
    high i ḭ y y̰ ɯ ɯ̰ u ṵ
    mid e ḛ ø ø̰ ə ɤ ɤ̰ o o̰
    low æ æ̰ ɑ ɑ̰
    Old Pasture to Tectonic Pasture:
    təʔ < tʼ (ejectives from schwa dropping between plosives and glottals)
    rk < (ʁq) (rhotic becomes approximate before consonants, yields retroflex and uvular allophones from alveolars and velars, respectively)
    itə < iːt (schwa dropping with compensentory lengthening)
    iħu < iu (intervocalic epiglottal fricative vanishes and surrounding vowels become diphthongs)
    Tectonic Pasture:
    Consonants bilabial dental alveolar retroflex palatal velar uvular glottal
    short/long short/long short/long short/long short/long
    plosive voiced b bː d dː (ɖ) (ɖː) g gː (ɢ) (ɢː)
    devoiced p pː t tː (ʈ) (ʈː) k kː (q) (qː) ʔ
    ejective pʼ pːʼ tʼ tːʼ (ʈʼ) (ʈːʼ) kʼ kːʼ (qʼ) (qːʼ)
    affricate voiced d̪͡ð d̪͡ðː d͡z d͡zː (ɖ͡ʐ) (ɖ͡ʐː)
    devoiced p͡ɸ p͡ɸː t̪͡θ t̪͡θː t͡s t͡sː (ʈ͡ʂ) (ʈ͡ʂː) k͡x k͡xː (q͡χ) (q͡χː)
    ejective p͡ɸʼ p͡ɸːʼ t̪͡θʼ t̪͡θːʼ t͡sʼ t͡sːʼ (ʈ͡ʂʼ) (ʈ͡ʂːʼ) k͡xʼ k͡xːʼ (q͡χʼ) (q͡χʼ)
    fricative voiced β βː ð ðː z zː (ʐ) (ʐː) ɣ ɣː (ʁ) (ʁː)
    devoiced ɸ ɸː θ θː s sː (ʂ) (ʂː) x xː (χ) (χː) h
    nasal plain m mː n nː (ɳ) (ɳː)
    creaky m̰ n̰ (ɳ̰)
    trill r rː
    approximant (ɻ ) j w
    lateral affricate t͡ɬ t͡ɬː
    ejective t͡ɬʼ t͡ɬːʼ
    approximant l lː
    Vowels front back
    unrounded rounded unrounded rounded
    short long creaky short long creaky short long creaky short long creaky
    high i iː ḭ y yː y̰ ɯ ɯː ɯ̰ u uː ṵ
    mid e eː ḛ ø øː ø̰ ɤ ɤː ɤ̰ o oː o̰
    low æ æː æ̰ ɑ ɑː ɑ̰
    diphthongs plain iu ui æy oi ɑi ɑu
    creaky ḭṵ ṵḭ æ̰y̰ o̰ḭ ɑ̰ḭ ɑ̰ṵ
    Tectonic Pasture to Oread:
    sn < n̥ (consonant coallescence turns consonant clusters into new 'hybrid' consonants)
    dj < dʲ
    dw < dʷ
    kj < c
    lj < ʎ
    lkxj < c͡ʎ̥̝
    fr < r̥
    rħ < ʜ
    uj < ɥ
    ng < ŋ
    lː < ɬː (geminated lateral approximant becomes voiceless and turns into a long lateral fricative)
    æ, e< ɛ (short /æ/ & /e/ merge with /ɛ/)
    ɑ, ɤ < ʌ (short /ɑ/ & /ɤ/ merge with /ʌ/)
    ɯ, u< ʊ (short /ɯ/ & /u/ merge with /ʊ/)
    Consonants
    plosive voiced *b bʲ bː bːʲ *d dʷ dʲ dː dːʷ dːʲ ɖ ɖʷ ɖː ɖːʷ ɟ ɟʷ ɟː ɟːʷ *g gʷ gː gːʷ
    devoiced *p pʲ pː pːʲ *t tʷ tʲ tː tːʷ tːʲ ʈ ʈʷ ʈː ʈːʷ c cʷ cː cːʷ *k kʷ kː kːʷ q qʷ qʲ qː qːʷ qːʲ*ʔ
    ejective pʼpʲʼ pːʼpːʲʼ tʼ tʷʼ tʲʼ tːʼ tːʷʼ tːʲʼ ʈʼʈʷʼʈːʼ ʈːʷʼ cʼcʷʼ cːʼcːʷʼ kʼ kʷʼ kːʼ kːʷʼ qʼqʷʼqʲʼ qːʼqːʷʼqːʲʼ
    affricate voiced d̪͡ð d̪͡ðʷ d̪͡ðː d̪͡ðːʷ d͡z d͡zʷ d͡zː d͡zːʷ ɖ͡ʐ ɖ͡ʐʷ ɖ͡ʐːɖ͡ʐːʷ d͡ʑ d͡ʑʷd͡ʑːd͡ʑːʷ
    devoiced p͡ɸ p͡ɸː t̪͡θ t̪͡θʷ t̪͡θː t̪͡θːʷ t͡s t͡sʷ t͡sː t͡sːʷ ʈ͡ʂ ʈ͡ʂʷ ʈ͡ʂː ʈ͡ʂːʷ t͡ɕ t͡ɕʷ t͡ɕː t͡ɕːʷ k͡x k͡xʷk͡xːk͡xːʷ q͡χ q͡χʷ q͡χːq͡χːʷ
    ejective p͡ɸʼp͡ɸːʼ t̪͡θʼ t̪͡θʷʼ t̪͡θːʼ t̪͡θːʷʼ t͡sʼ t͡sʷʼ t͡sːʼ t͡sːʷʼ ʈ͡ʂʼ ʈ͡ʂʷʼʈ͡ʂːʼ ʈ͡ʂːʷʼ t͡ɕʼ t͡ɕʷʼ t͡ɕːʼ t͡ɕːʷʼk͡xʼk͡xʷʼk͡xːʼk͡xːʷʼq͡χʼq͡χʷʼq͡χːʼq͡χːʷʼ
    fricative voiced *β βʲ βː βːʲ *ð ðʷ ðʲ ðː ðːʷ ðːʲ *z zʷ zː zːʷ ʐ ʐʷ ʐː ʐːʷ ʑ ʑʷ ʑː ʑːʷ *ɣ ɣʷ ɣː ɣːʷ ʁ ʁʷʁʲ ʁːʁːʷʁːʲ
    devoiced *ɸ ɸʲ ɸː ɸːʲ *θ θʷ θʲ θː θːʷ θːʲ *s sʷ sː sːʷ ʂ ʂʷ ʂː ʂːʷ ɕ ɕʷ ɕː ɕːʷ *x xʷ xː xːʷ χ χʷχʲ χːχːʷχːʲ h
    nasal voiced *m mː *n nː ɳ ɳː ɲ ɲː ŋ ŋʷ ŋː ŋːʷ
    devoiced m̥ n̥ ɳ̥ ɲ̥ ŋ̊ ŋ̊ʷ
    creaky m̰ n̰ ɳ̰ ɲ̰ ŋ̰ ŋ̰ʷ
    approximant *j ɥ *w
    trill voiced *r rː ʜ
    devoiced r̥ r̥ː
    lateral affricate devoiced t͡ɬ t͡ɬʷ t͡ɬː t͡ɬːʷ c͡ʎ̥̝ c͡ʎ̥̝ː
    ejective t͡ɬʼ t͡ɬʷʼ t͡ɬːʼ t͡ɬːʷʼ c͡ʎ̥̝ʼ c͡ʎ̥̝ːʼ
    fricative ɬ ɬː
    approximant *l ʎ
    vowels:
    *iː, ḭ, yː, y̰ ɯː, ɯ̰, *uː, ṵ
    *ɪ, ʏ *ʊ
    *eː, ḛ, øː, ø̰ ɤː, ɤ̰, *oː, o̰
    *ɛ, œ *ʌ, *ɔ
    æː, æ̰ *ɑː, ɑ̰
    ɪu̯ ʊi̯ œy̆ ɔi̯ æi̯ ɑu̯ ɪ̰ṵ ʊ̰ḭ œ̰y̰ ɔ̰ḭ æ̰ḭ ɑ̰ṵ

  • @miwiarts
    @miwiarts 4 роки тому +5

    Hello!
    Excellent video, you're an amazing resource. Do you have a Twitter?

    • @kayinth9136
      @kayinth9136  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks, I'm afraid I don't have a Twitter though

  • @machaiarcanum
    @machaiarcanum 4 роки тому +4

    Love it!

  • @ArtemNovikov-rz3ns
    @ArtemNovikov-rz3ns 4 роки тому +3

    A great video! The way you present the information is very easy to understand. A little bit fast for me. Though, I'm not a native English speaker.

  • @ryuko4478
    @ryuko4478 4 роки тому +6

    Dissimilation is when sounds become less similar, not become more similar but it's spreading bacwards.
    Also aspirated voiced stops aren't actually aspirated, they are murmured/breathu voiced stops which come from completely different processes from where aspiratiom comes from, so the scenario you created is pretty unrealistic.

  • @emtheslav2295
    @emtheslav2295 4 роки тому +4

    You forgot one of my fav sound changes: palatalization (ti->chi)

    • @gal749
      @gal749 3 роки тому +4

      This is just a type of assimilation.

    • @xXJ4FARGAMERXx
      @xXJ4FARGAMERXx 3 роки тому +1

      Is _du_ to _dgu_ also assimilation? (The _du_ in "education")

    • @emtheslav2295
      @emtheslav2295 3 роки тому +1

      @@xXJ4FARGAMERXx it's the same thing, so yea

    • @abarette_
      @abarette_ 10 місяців тому +1

      or in english, tu -> chu

  • @jan_Masewin
    @jan_Masewin 3 роки тому +6

    /ber/ is even worse outside of England; in my NZ accent bear/beer/bare/bier are all merged, rivalled only by peer/pear/pier/pare/pair

  • @Brennende_Rose
    @Brennende_Rose Рік тому

    In German, we also had a pretty big sound shift, which especially divides southern German from northern German dialects and especially English. For example is water in northern German Water, and in southern German Wasser, in southern German it's das and was, in northern German it's dat and wat, also things like Appel, in northern German, became Apfel in southern German, so many strong consonants turned into... Uh idk, softer, longer variants

  • @arsenixkikokoro
    @arsenixkikokoro 2 роки тому

    9:24 if the distinction isn't phonemic, would it be spelled?

    • @lananghayomingbumi2782
      @lananghayomingbumi2782 Рік тому

      non phonemic distinctions are usually not spelt, with a few exeptions ( off the top of my head is the romanization for greenlandic vowels)

  • @lucsgabriel1052
    @lucsgabriel1052 3 роки тому +2

    "also known as *F R E N C H*" lmfaoooo

  • @MatthewMcVeagh
    @MatthewMcVeagh 3 роки тому +3

    Gotta say it - you have difficulty with front rounded vowels! ;)
    They're coming out a bit centralised, and the ones that are supposed to be close are rather lowered.
    Otherwise great work.

  • @ididntrananyoneover5740
    @ididntrananyoneover5740 4 місяці тому

    Can a sound shift realistically occur only in multisyllabic words? Like I want word-final vowels to be reduced in my conlang, which causes me some trouble with monosyllabic words...

  • @WatermelonEnthusiast9
    @WatermelonEnthusiast9 2 роки тому +1

    Can someone help me find a lenition chart? Im trying to lenate or fortify ʃ, but i cant find a chart to help me and i cant think of what it would lenate to

    • @vequiera
      @vequiera Рік тому +2

      On the off chance you’re still trying to figure out how to lenate /ʃ/, I haven’t seen it in a lenition chart either but I think your safest bet would be either /ç~h/ (opening and or debuccalization), or /ʒ/ (sonorization). Maybe even /i̯/ if you want to go for vocalization!
      e.g. /ʃoko/ > /çoko/ or /hoko/, /tuʃa/ > /tuʒa/, /tuʃa/ > /tuça/ > /tuʝa/ (opening + sonorization), and /aʃtan/ > /ai̯tan/
      if you want to get wild with sound changes you could even have something like /aʃ.jak/ > /ah.jak/ > /aŋ.jɛk/ ala Avestan!

  • @Poopick
    @Poopick 8 місяців тому

    Rhotics become /n/? I dont see any rhotics in old examplish C table. Please explain

  • @underthedice1231
    @underthedice1231 Рік тому

    "Nasty consonant clusters" laughs in Québécois.

  • @fsbayer
    @fsbayer 2 роки тому

    Also, epenthesis is not only for consonants. Vowel epenthesis exists and is well documented, for instance in Sanskrit (svarabhakti) and in the Q-Celtic languages!

  • @v1e1r1g1e1
    @v1e1r1g1e1 6 місяців тому

    Cave Man 1 to Cave Man 2: ''I say, Aloysius... how about we all agree about case theory, person, gender, syntax, suffixes, prefixes and all that other stuff needed for effective verbal communication before we commit to any kind of language? What do you say to that, old fellow?
    Cave Man 2: ''Uggah bougghahhh?!'' (Translation: Uggah bougghahhha)

  • @rossapolis
    @rossapolis Рік тому

    10:26 Your pronunciation of Menominee is wrong. It's pronounced Men-OM-ih-nee, with the emphasis on the 2nd syllable. I'm from Wisconsin and the Menominee Indian Reservation is located in my state.

  • @entwistlefromthewho
    @entwistlefromthewho 3 роки тому +1

    I think Celtic initial consonant mutations break your Rule 1.

  • @sapphoenixthefirebird5063
    @sapphoenixthefirebird5063 2 роки тому +1

    /ç/ will also very likely become /ʃ/ (English's SH sound), so "titűj" would be pronounced /ti.tyʃ/. Also, your pronunciation of /ç/ sounds a lot more like /ʃ~ɕ/, so why not?
    Either that, or have /ç/ shift back to /x/ and /x/ shift back to /h/, then the old /x/, now /h/, gets lost, like in English ("night" /naɪt/, where German has "Nacht" /naxt/). This will give your language an orthography a bit more like Spanish (J = /x/ in Spanish, jajaja)
    Fun fact: Spanish actually had the letter J represent /ʃ/ before it shifted backwards to modern /x/, hence spellings like "ejemplos" whilst Portuguese has "exemplo".

    • @Reansel
      @Reansel Рік тому +1

      Actually, letter J (and G before E and I) represented the sound /ʒ/ in Medieval Spanish, the voiced pair of /ʃ/. This one was represented by letter X. As a result of the sibilant consonants change, /ʒ/ became voiceless and merged with /ʃ/; and later this sound changed to /x/.

  • @vampyricon7026
    @vampyricon7026 2 роки тому +1

    correction on Mandarin: the sounds should be the same as the English ones, as you were using tenuis (unvoiced unaspirated) stops [p,t,k] for /b,d,g/. English is weird like that in that the "voicing" distinction is muddy
    Better examples would probably come from some Romance language where they actually voice their voices stops.

  • @vonsareno9452
    @vonsareno9452 9 місяців тому

    (3:12)nasalization also known as french😂😂😂(also you forgot the "a",nasaliztion.

  • @animanya394
    @animanya394 2 роки тому

    Hm, i thought this would be a video on phonological evolution of conlangs…

  • @kori228
    @kori228 Рік тому

    6:47 your /y/ sounds so weird bro, lol

  • @im-radio
    @im-radio 5 місяців тому

    why do the subtitles think youre speaking vietnamese

  • @lowencraft1404
    @lowencraft1404 2 роки тому

    Nasalisation, also known as
    *FRENCH*

  • @samuelmarger9031
    @samuelmarger9031 3 роки тому +2

    Lizard woman? Oh, I got reverse-trapped...

  • @SBVCP
    @SBVCP Рік тому +1

    The only complain i have about the video is the excesive megaphone. Once or twice it would be funny perhaps, but so much it becomes intrusive and actualyl hurts my ears

  • @cerberaodollam
    @cerberaodollam 3 роки тому +1

    Wow, we have so many damn vowels, there's a diacritic named after us. 😅 Go 🇭🇺

  • @kirilvelinov7774
    @kirilvelinov7774 Рік тому

    Phonology of Slovian
    Vowels A E Y O U Æ
    Consonants B C D F G H J K L M N P R S T W Z Þ DZ NJ

  • @NikodAnimations
    @NikodAnimations 2 місяці тому

    100th Comment

  • @JayFolipurba
    @JayFolipurba 5 місяців тому

    to be fair, you're not making /ü/ and /ö/ either. I mean, you're better than the average english speaker and big props, but whenever you(plural) try it sounds too forced relax your throat just let your LIPS glide from i to u, and e to o. no weird throat pinching. If it comes out your nose, you're doing it wrong

  • @shannonparkhill5557
    @shannonparkhill5557 2 роки тому

    I pronounce it CAVLARY! not cavalry nor calvary

  • @ashtray3860
    @ashtray3860 3 роки тому +2

    Man, why does everything up and coming conlang UA-camrs gotta be brits? It makes my Irish potato blood scallop and bake! Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh

    • @cerberaodollam
      @cerberaodollam 3 роки тому +3

      Hey, y'all got Artifexian 🙂

    • @ashtray3860
      @ashtray3860 3 роки тому +2

      @@cerberaodollam thank you giving me some perspective, when you put it like that, it’s not all that bad. You’re a true hero, friend. I wish you the best in this life.

  • @kirilvelinov7774
    @kirilvelinov7774 2 роки тому

    Hinanese evolution
    Original phonology:a,e,o,k,t,p,f,s,h,m,n,w,l,y
    22 letters,14 sounds
    Note:a and ae,k and g,t,th and d,p and b,s and z,n and ng and l and r are all pronounced the same
    Current phonology:a,ae,e,o,k,g,t,th,d,p,b,f,s,z,h,m,n,ng,w,l,r,y
    22 letters,22 sounds

    • @kirilvelinov7774
      @kirilvelinov7774 2 роки тому

      Modern Hinanese alphabet and pronunciation
      a,p,k,t,e,s,h,t,y,k,l,m,n,o,p,l,s,t,w,f,n,a
      Old Hinanese alphabet and pronunciation
      a,b,g,d,e,z,h,th,y,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,t,w,f,ng,ae

  • @kirilvelinov7774
    @kirilvelinov7774 Рік тому

    Footballandian phonology
    Vowels:
    /i/ /u/ /e/ /o/ /a/
    Consonants:
    /p/ /t/ /c/ /b/ /d/ /g/ /f/ /s/ /x/ /m/ /n/ /r/ /ñ/ /į/ /ų/
    /k/=c(before a,o,u),qu
    /s/=c(before e,i),s
    /į/ and /ų/ are isolated
    /r/ is trilled(coca cora???)
    h(silent) is used for vowel length
    /x/ is pronounced like a soft g
    Example:Ar(g/x???)entina
    Missing letters:
    k(replaced by c or qu because they sound the same)
    v(pronounced between f and b)
    Example:verano/ferano/berano???
    z(pronounced between c,s and d)
    Example:usted/ustez/ustec???
    Ogonek=Semivowel

  • @Langwyrm
    @Langwyrm Рік тому

    Y'all be sayin /ˈsʌmpθ.ɪŋ/?
    I say /ˈsʌmθ.ɪŋ/ and everyone I know says /ˈsʌmθ.ɪŋ/
    2:55