FRANK ZAPPA "NIGHT SCHOOL" (reaction)
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
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From 1986, this was completely performed on the Synclavier. No guitar, no drums. Just Frank and a computer. The album, Jazz From Hell, won the Grammy for Best Rock Instrumental Album. It's mostly Synclavier compositions with only one live guitar solo, St. Etienne.
You can tell that Frank, before he died,was transitioning to more exotic electronic instruments and samplers. His demonstration of Dweezils actual burping, on the Synclavier, for Katie Curic and Jamie Gangel,WNBC, was hilarious,
I can't even imagine what he'd be doing today!
I think it's time to tune it down more again with some grooving rock for Dan and Sifa, and what about some more Bozzio era? What about Terry's amazing drum solo?? You guys deliberately ignoring that amazing demonstration? Stop going all over the map.To be successful ,you need to finish what you start ,as Frank did with Baby snakes, and that 3 year era getting rid of the roxy band. He had a vision, and the fans got the best era. You guys keep pin pricking requests from that era. Try finishing it up before moving ahead. Lots of new stuff in the bozzio era that seems to turn off or confuse you guys completely, or you all elected not to entertain.I just discovered, a few months ago, during the bozzio era,a better guitar, drumming live recordings, over the Shut up series.
Stopping jumping all over the map.
Yes, it was a Synclavier II, produced by New England Digital, the best music computer (at least at this time). I also owned a (small) one in the early eighties :-)
@Zolar Czakl Still waiting for the last chord on black napkins. you never answered me. you don't have to be a musical genius to know. You don't even have to get past John Thompsons first music book! ! You know the one. Swans on the lake? The one you failed to learn properly?
@@Frunobulax74 It's called being "consistent", not random with requests. Jumping all over the place is a mental issue for you guys.
One request is brown shoes don't make it from the 60's, then ,its ship arriving too late from 83. Stay on a consistent course, fools. Don't just finally jump into the best Zappa era, with HIS best drummer and two keys, LIVE, and now we're back to the future with 1986? These type of requests demonstrate random thought patterns, random ignorant choices,not to mention all 3 of you know SH*T about music and music theory. Try staying on the course with future requests. The you tube audience prefers consistency.
In life you burnout losers need to understand to finish up something started before beginning something new.
Now you got all the newbies confused with Zappa's music catalog. You foolish subscribing requesters even confused Sifa, making her think Ansley Dunbar was the drummer on Purple lagoon when it was the brilliant Bozzio! Not smart, guys.
Composed and performed on the Synclavier. The Synclavier was a roughly a $100,000 music computer. Frank has about 6 or 7 albums of his computer music. It’s another whole world.
@Matt Cardin - The Synclavier is now a downloadable app. Honestly, look it up.
@@Frunobulax74 I heard you appreciate good drummers.
Try this drummer out.
ua-cam.com/video/gjrxE_zDbtc/v-deo.html
@@Frunobulax74 I am going to check that out for sure.
In the early 2000s, Ensemble Modern (the outfit that performed The Yellow Shark), released another album of Zappa-penned performances called "Greggery Peccary and Other Persuasions" that contains a live rendition of this piece. Listening to it, you can definitely tell why Zappa was so excited to work with them on his more "impossible" pieces.
the song is about a small, grey & white cat named Sneaky Beam. Sneaky Beam left his home in Arizona to travel to New York, traveling "on foot". He had many adventures along the way. Including a nice lady in Tennessee who invited him inside and gave him water and tuna
I think this was his only Grammy winning Album. Had an "explicit lyrics" warning sticker in spite of it being an instrumental album.
Legendary
He also won after his death for Best Boxed or Special Limited Edition Package for the “Civilization Phase III album in 1996.” And that’s also excluding his 1997 lifetime achievement award from the Grammys
Proof positive that the PMRC never listened to the album.
Pretty sure he was target no 1 for the PMRC after testifying against censorship in music in Washington committees. Explicit uncontrolled thinking is a sin.
There is a clay animation of this by Zappa and Bruce Bickford that is fun and crazy. You can find it on UA-cam. This should have been on radio!
How cool!
Frank mused in an interview once that had the Synclavier been around in the early days he might not have ever bothered putting together a band. It is a dream machine for composers.
Zappa had always challenged his musicians to their limits with his compositions. The Synclavier could do things they couldn't, even with all the phenomenal skill he brought together in his bands.
I'm glad he didn't have a Synclavier in the '70's. But that he did get to have one. Great song. Soooo "Zappa".
Blessings.
Thanks for sharing Leo!
For those who don't know, Frank was primarily a DRUMMER and the synclavier gave him freedom to whip it out...
I don't think "primarily" is the right word. But his first instrument was the drums.
@@shayDblue3000 Frank Zappa, fan o Edgar Varése, hooked upon Ionization (percussions only piece), who hired Colaiuta, Bozzio, Humphrey, Wackerman, Dunbar, who are among the finest drummers of their generation, who composed the Black Page, Mo N Herb's Vacation and whose first instrument (that's what primary means) was the drum trap and whose basic musical education was give by his percussion teacher, that eventually rose to be one of the most distinct 20th century composers? I think these are enough facts to support my thesis...
@Zolar Czakl So lets take it a step further and agree that he was primarily a composer...
@@bigfootpegrande And percussioned on a bike.
Great choice James. Love this track, the whole album come to that. G-spot tornado is my favourite but this is a very close second. This was Frank's last studio before he died. "Civilisation" was finished just before he died but released much later. If Frank had lived longer I believe this type of music is what he'd have done.This is pure Frank, 100% Frank. I think you have to question any Zappa fan who doesn't like this. If you don't like 100% Frank, what do you like?. Free from prima donna guitarists, head up they're own ass drummers, druggie singers etc. Everything composed, played by Frank, exactly how he wanted it!
Everything was played by Frank on the synclavier.
"Question"?... Really?
These 3 keep moving all over the map of Frank. They can't complete one era! They haven't finished the Bozzio era, by a long shot ,and now they jump with their requests. Why? To be successful ,you need to finish what you start.
@@progperljungman8218 Yes!
@@paulfenwick8767 Ok. I'll settle with being "untrue" in your view then. I prefer the domination of "real instruments" and the dynamics of a collective of musicians playing. (Even if I do appreciate this and the likes as one of Frank's ways of expression)
I believe he was fully satisfied with Ensemble Modern's realisation of his works and that would then also be "100% Frank".
I just love good music and am open to new ways of making good music. If you can't handle progress I guess that's your issue. "real instruments" ! haha. People like you said the same thing when electric guitars, electric organs, synthesizers first came on the scene too, lol.
I too believe he was satisfied with Ensemble Modern, but this was before them and they could only perform selected parts of what Frank wanted.
This was after he got his Synclavier digital synth., and was all programmed by him. This album won him a Grammy. Rather than having to pay musicians, he decided to write music that would probably be too hard for them to play anyway. "G-Spot Tornado" is a good example. There is one guitar solo on the album, recorded on a live tour. The rest is all programmed. This was his last studio album. There was a period before this (which I wish was longer) where he took the synth on tour and was still playing guitar on crazy covers of things like "Purple Haze" - see the CD set The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life.
What would Frank's music sound like if the written music was entered into a computer and then processed into musical sounds without instruments? This! No musicians on this album, he literally had the computer play the whole thing, and obviously it is so good that you never realized this is a PURELY digital reproduction. The Synclavier was a clunky computer, what could he have done with today's tech!
There is one live solo on the album, St. Etienne.
With the exception noted here, the entiriey of this album was the Synclavier. Programed, mastered, edited, and produced by Frank.
@@zappafan012 a long time Zappa fan splitting hairs, noted.
@@Peter-K Lol. Well, when you said there were no musicians on the album....nevermind. 😄
@@zappafan012 I was wrong...forgot about St Etienne
Everything on here is Zappa by himself on a synclavier, a $250'000 computer keyboard work station, no guitars or keytars etc, it's just Zappa typing in the notes or playing them on the Synclavier keyboard, I absolutly love this period of his work, he has quite a few albums with synclavier, he started using it in 1984 right up to his death, he even took it out with him on his last (88) tour.
This album Jazz From Hell (1986) won Zappa his only Grammy while he was alive. I absolutly love this period of his work, his last 2 albums he made were synclavier, Civilzation Phaze 3 and Dance me this.
I know there is loads of this stuff in the vault unreleased, hopefully they will treat us to more soon.
Check this video out where he talks about the synclavier, it starts around the 8 minute mark
ua-cam.com/video/gSGRaT5fCsU/v-deo.html
Thanks!
I believe that the synclavier answered a deep need in Frank. Tho he did enjoy the live concert experience of musician interaction. But the chance to hear what he wrote down preformed WITHOUT the aggravation of trying to learn it to real, flawed people.
This is a wonderful piece of music. It is so beautiful that is almost unbearable. It's simply too much. Beyond words! There's a version by a real orchestra.
Good lord, man, relax. It's mid at best
@@Frankincensedjb123 😂
@@Frankincensedjb123 Don´t worry.I'll survive.
Frank wanted to have a talk show on TV. (his subjects I'm sure) It was to be called Night School and this would have been its' theme song.
I sort of remember hearing that Frank won a Grammy for this album and he couldn't be arsed to go collect it so he sent his gardener or chauffeur to get it. Sure one of the "experts" will put me right on this, lol.
Hello !
I'm pretty sure it's Al malkin !
😆
He won it, even though it had never been played on the radio, so nobody other than his fans had heard it
Bought the CD back in 1987. I'm not crazy about every piece on the album but Night School is beautiful. I love the extended melody which sounds like an improvised solo. There are some awesome low bass sounds if you play this on a good pair of speakers.
There's a vid of a Steve Allen show from 1963 involving Zappa playing a bicycle as a musical instrument. In the vid Zappa Mentions a film he composed for "The World's Greatest Sinner." 1962. Ray Dennis Steckler also worked on the film!
Thanks for the info!
No musicians. Just Zappa and a Synclavier. Imagine what he would have done with a Mac and Logic.
Only one track on the album has musicians and it’s a Zappa guitar solo. The other tracks are all programmed synth and amazing.
Wow
the main melody line was essentially Zappa himself playing it as a keyboard solo more or less live (in chunks im sure) with the speed knob turned way down. Zappa has endless melodic imagination. Recent scholarship is starting to fathom how he constructed all this amazing material.
What those guys said⬇️. I love the synclavier stuff. So pure. I was dissapointed when the G spot tornado you reacted to was the live version.
You guys really nailed it with your analysis here, especially Sifa - even though this is entirely through-composed it *does* sound like a Zappa solo. It's as if he sat down and wrote out what he thought would be the best possible solo to be played over these chord changes. What a genius
Thanks for watching Tim!
There is some footage from a documentary out there, where Frank demonstrates the Synclavier at his home. Interesting! He really liked that computer because it didn't play any wrong notes, and he didn't have to pay lazy musicians for rehearsal. But I think he felt that the eyebrows were missing...like, the music's eyebrows.
"I see your synths and I raise you .. whatever the fuck!" 😅 nice one ...
I should explain more.
As I wrote... it's Frank. And even though he's a guitarist... in short bursts, he wasn't bad on keyboards either. He at least could get his idea across to the keybordist. And when he composed, not all of it, but VERY MUCH of it was composed on a piano. So he was no stranger to synthesisers.
That first minute that I mentioned in the other post ( about 1 minute into the song) ... it's him improvising. HOWEVER, at that point, when he programmed it into the Synclavier, he added a piano to it, and he expanded it with written material, so it's kind of hard to hear the cut-off point. . A piano with notes that bend... if you will notice. Pianos can't BEND their note. But the synclavier can. Today this a "big whoopie" because you have plug-ins that do this crap for 1.95£ :) but back in 1987 it was costly. But Zappa LOVED his Synclavier.
Why?
The Synclavier didn't say "maybe you could change this part so I can blahh blah blah"
The Synclavier didn't ask for money from a song YOU wrote
The Synclavier didn't do drugs.
The ....SYNCLAVIER... DIDN'T... MAKE... FUCKING...
mistakes.
One of my favorites
Nice, I haven't heard this in years
Initially this was to be the opening titles music for a talk show, "Night School", Frank as host.
Never happened
Frank Zappa isn't dead he's writing music for Bobs Burgers. Ha
Frank said that he needed the Synclavier to play the parts that were literally impossible to play with normal musicians. My favorite of the computer stuff is G-Spot Tornado.
@David Beard - I think it went the other way around. I think Frank got the Synclavier not knowing its full capabilities, then, being Frank, proceeded to produce a lot of things that were humanly impossible to play.
While I was watching this video my wife closed the door. She thought it is awful. Anyway, the synclavier stuff is very close to my heart. It is almost like sitting on Mr. Zappas shoulder watching him create. To me this music is always open and never quite finished … very flow of consciousness like. Civilisation Phaze III is my favourite Zappa Album. Will play it to my wife tomorrow…
😆what a funny story! Thanks for watching Ronald!
I've had 2 long term relationships go south, both really hated Zappa and most of the time I listened on headphones, the last one then complained I always had my headphones on !!! Go figure.
@@spikeybaby1735 It is a little more complicated with my gal. She likes some Zappa. I was listening to Uncle Meat recently and she liked it and said that it is very unique and interesting (proud hubby because I think Uncle Meat is a high point). She really likes some of the Joe's Garage stuff. But everything Guitar and Synclavier is not for her ... too abstract she says. Sometimes she calls it "boys-music". What ever that means. And I get it. It is not easy to distinguish between dated sound, style or attitude and the quality of the music itself.
Thanks James. Great song. Thanks Dan and Sifa for all the great music you react to. And this was all Frank. The whole album was just Frank, except for St. Etienne.
Thanks for being here Tom!
One of my favourite Zappa pieces 🙂
Hunt around, there's a recording of a live event, "Zappa's Universe".
It has a live version of Night School, with Mike Keneally on guitar.
Pretty much note for note. It's athletic, to say the least.
oh...
and Music is the Best.
Thanks for the tip!
Still feel, nearly 40 years on, that Frank turning to the Synclavier was the saddest part of his journey. Takes all the humanity out of his music. All the soul. I hated it then, I'm just sad when I hear it now.
I mostly agree. "Aerobics In Bondage" is a great composition though. I love that one.
We dug it! But we get why you would say that having gone through the real Zappa experience. Sorry so late w the response; honestly didn’t know how to answer and wanted to see the responses. Hope you’re well Saturninebear!
Oh imagine what Frank could have done with todays advanced virtual instruments and audio technology if this is what he could do with mid eighties technology? Frank was using a Synclavier 2 on this album which was a digital polyphonic sampler/synthesizer/workstation which cost a fortune back in the day "starting at around $25,000 upwards! His compositional skills shine through on what could be a fairly boring electronic experiment turns into a beautiful and captivating arrangement. This was great guys and I could see you were loving its unexpected glory.....respec to da "Sight after dark" massive I ! What you said about Frank raising the "Synth Stakes" was so true Dan Ha Ha! BTW this was completely electronic, all performed on the keyboard (flatbed) even the ZOLO!
This whole thing may be programmed on a computer....BUT... the keyboard solo that starts at about the minute mark and doesn't end until about a minute later... is just that... a keyboard solo... it is NOT actually programmed it is improvised, and THAT was then programmed into the song, and... it is Frank Zappa playing it. The same is true of the solo in the middle if G-spot Tornado from this same album.
Wait till you hear G Spot Tornado... And it was ALLLLL Zappa solo... Many orchestral compositions of Frank's are transcribed guitar solos that are then adapted for orchestra...
The entire album this is from (Jazz from Hell), with the exception of one track, as people here rightly noted, is Synclavier music (the Synclavier was a programmable synthesizer and one of the earliest samplers, which Zappa purchased for a $hitload of money in the early 1980s). Back in 1986, the Synclavier's technical abilities were still pretty limited, both in terms of sound and in terms of the options of programming complex rhythms into it, so the album (despite having several absolute classics on it!) is known for its relatively low-quality sound and lower level of rhythmic sophistication than Frank's usual. By the time he released his final album, 1993's Civilization Phase III, the technical limitations were mostly gone, and the Synclavier and live recordings (mostly with the Ensamble Moderne) were blended together seamlessly, to the point you can't tell which is which.
The "solo" could have been played on a keyboard, but more likely it was written out in notation and then programmed into the Synclavier's computer interface.
Also, the reason Frank preferred the Synclavier in the 1980s wasn't the new synth fashion of the age. It was the fact that, unlike most musicians, the technical precision of his music's performance mattered to him more than the "human touch" a real musician playing an acoustic instrument could give it. The Synclavier never made mistakes. The London Symphony Orchestra made lots and lots of them, despite all the rehearsal time he paid for.
Thanks for the info!
Best Synclavier track on the album is While You Were Art II.
Ahhhh! Jazz From Hell! One of my favorite Zappa albums! (Of course I do have lots of favorite Zappa albums, so…)
This was going to be the theme song for a late night talk show called Night School where Frank would discuss current events. It never happened but it would have been wonderful and at least we have this. I always think of a news team getting introduced to this. “Bill Crimson with sports” in a cheesey 80s news template idk haha
☺️that would’ve been great!
Ther exist a live performance in "zappas universe" of this one. Guitar by Mike Keneally. Frank Zappa was to sick to participate in his own 25th anniversary in recordbuisness where a lot of others musicians honoring his music. this is anotherone of the must sees.
Frank Zappa is an interesting man.
Frank won a Grammy for this album.
So cool!
Jazz from Hell is an entirely instrumental album featuring an RIAA Parental Advisory sticker. ;)
Woah😆.
I like it 👍😁
Truly one of his better compositions imho. I love it!
Hi again. I live in SW Florida and I listened to a local jazz station, for the main reason that the commercial stations down here really suck hard. The station was a collage station on NPR and I said to myself, well at least I'm hearing new music with no commercials, you know, expand my musical horizons, (I don't have good knowledge of jazz music, besides FZ). Now I listened to this station for years and heard all the jazz standards, amazing jazz artist. I've been listening to FZ since I was 15, I'm now 63, but even with my meager jazz knowledge, I knew FZ was doing some amazing jazz and never heard one composition on this station. Sifa made the comment, " why wasn't this on the radio?", and I kept asking this question to myself, a long time before this video. Why didn't they ever do FZ on this station? After listening to this station for years, I had confirmed that FZ was right up there with the best of the best, (if nor better). So I concluded that they are just "Jazz Snobs". I think FZ scares a lot of people. I so miss Frank Zappa.
probably musically he is too intellectual for them.
We appreciate your commenttary Wayne!
@Wayne Sullins - It's actually simple. The big record companies blackballed Frank from the radio to try to destroy his career because he fought with them and sued them.
@@Frunobulax74 yeah, I remember all that shit going on way back when. But it didn't stop Frank. Still the fact remains, FZ is one hell of a jazz musician/composer and this station was a "public" radio station and should in my humble opinion, recognize the genius in FZ's music.
@@59wsulli1 - Great point!
Hey kids sorry I missed this video yeah it was the synclovir there was this really expensive computer controlled synthesizer Matrix thing that he got a hold of and he really used that thing a lot so yeah he used that thing probably for this whole record I had this record it was you know I actually had it on vinyl here's a little absurd thing I had to come up with a Halloween costume so I took a hard hat and I threw a bunch of day glow paint on it like a Jackson Pollock painting and I cut out Frank Zappa's face off of the album you know and it was just perfect it just covered my face he was pretty hilarious course I know I destroyed of Frank Zappa album cover but s*** man that man probably made a pretty penny for me cuz I had probably almost every one of his records someday I'll tell you the story about when I met the man alrighty brooklynites yeah you got to check out the Beltway Bandits that's from this album but what a handsome portrait of Frank you know with his suit on and his tie and his hair all night it's really amazing it's just such a good picture of him okay Brooklyn Heights check your kids later
B..but...what'sit fooooorrr? What'sit meeeeeeeaaannn?
It used to be to employ several promising young people. It meant they didn't have dance to your tattoo of death, your Spandau ballet, as it were, for a while yet.
Life affirming and life-changing shizz, for some folkz.
"Guess what we learned last night. Siddown, this'll really fuck you up. I'm gonna show, soon's i can stop laughing at the thought of it."
Collapses in hilarity yet again.
" Don't get impatient, it'll be worth it, it always is." ;>{D
Frank rather preferred the cigar chomping executives who were open to new sounds by saying''what is it?what the fuck give it a whirl''....
He said after 60's hippy music began selling the record companies bought in young pony tailed talent scouts that would not give new music a shot unless it sounded like what was selling....The fat cigar chomper did not know nothing about music but were more open to taking a chance then the trendy new young guns the record industry employed who would allow only what they deemed good.
How on earth this album won a grammy for best rock instrumental when there is little that could be called rock on the album.
If you like that one you will love, "G Spot Tornado" from the same album. Oh shit I just realised you have already reacted to it. Though the live performance version, not the "Jazz from Hell" studio version. Maybe give that one a listen. I
think you would like it.
Thanks for the tip Steve!
It's a shame Frank didn't live to see more advanced music production computer tools. He would have been a kid in a candy store.
For sure!
Synclavier sorry Google couldn't spell it right anyhow it was a computer and it was tied in I think it had MIDI and that sort of thing and you could put in a lot of different keyboards that were midi ready and then you just type in notations that you want and then it would just play it through whatever keyboards you had hooked up to the computer setup okay kids
We appreciate you Bryan!
Have you heard 'While You Were Art?'
Not yet!
Jazz from hell is electronic , computer muzik
The Alpha and the Omega......Peace.
Never did it for me. Has no soul. Although I always loved "Aerobics in Bondage", which is also executed on Synclavier.
It’s all brain but I love it for that
Frank didn't believe in souls. What this has is a beautiful melody.
@@reidwhitton6248 people who say Frank’s music doesn’t have soul obviously don’t have a good balance of soul and brain like he did. If music with soul is this incessant four chord pop the masses listen to then I’ll take brain music any day
We’re open to all opinions, thanks for watching Steve!
@@Mime59100 I will never say "Frank's music has no soul". I was talking about this song. (I'm a big Zappa fan)
OK, now you are getting into the real stuff...music that Zappa wrote without worrying about whether or not a human would be able to play it.
This song is the most accessible of his computer works. But just wait... You are coming up on some MIND BENDING shit in ANY song that you pick as the next one from the "computer" catalog of Zappa.
Zappa's last studio album, the synclavier years. A few nice ditties by master.
@Frankincensed - What about Civilization Phaze III and Dance Me This? They were done years after Jazz from Hell. CPIII was released 2 days shy of a year after his death. Gail, the freak, for some reason held DMT until shortly before her death as Frank's 100th release
I never get a good reaction when I show people this song.
Lol what did you think of ours?
Please do MGMT Electric Feel music video too
For a TV show theme (which is what it was intended to be) it sure is above average. But otherwise? Good golly grief, did everyone f**k up in the eighties playing around with those little (or in this case: big) plastic machines. (Apart from Tom Waits and Einstürzende Neubauten.)
We don’t think so☺️
This is great now ( shut up and play yer guitar )
Boy, you all love ur Zappa. lol. Well, how bout I throw out some groups and who knows. ZZ Top, Master of Sparks! Jethro Tull, To Cry You a Song! Cactus, Evil! James Gang Funk #49! All makin' some killa muse. Cheers all, and by the way, I have nothing against Zappa at all.
Who likes ice cream? What about puppies? Can I get a shout out for puppies?
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