Great video! In my experience you should always wait with your purchase a little while. KDM has this tendency to worm itself into your mind. If you encounter KDM for the first time and you can't stop thinking about it, investigating it, watching videos about it...then it's the right game for you. For me it took about a year and it ended with me getting the core box just last week and already putting aside funds for Black Friday :D
I am always happy to say that I was a 1.5 backer for this and have zero regrets. Every time I bring out this game for solo play or with a dedicated group I always have fun and always reminded how much of a great purchase this was. I have spent over 1k in current expansions already and another $800 in future expansions. This really is a game like no other and is more of enthusiast board game then your standard fair. You definitely need to love building and painting miniatures though since that is half the fun in my honest opinion. I love my plastic crack.
The first story is amazingly done. It only goes over the most important rules and makes sure you know the showdown phase (which is where most of your choices will be centered around) without making you worry about gear and settlement management
Still love this vid and come back to it from time to time when I’ve had a break from KDM to get me back in the mood for a game. Will you do a comparison vid with ATO one day?
I got this off of the original Kickstarter, i ended putting probably close to 75 lantern years into the game with different groups and solo...and then realised that the only part of the game i actually enjoyed was the Settlement Phase. I loved the settlement phase, loved all of the option it gave you. Loved the feeling when you had great little stories that popped up with the different events or the set story events. Plus prepping the hunting party, i loved puzzling out the item grid trying to make the best out of what was available But i realised that i absolutely hated the generally unmitagatable randomness of the the hunt phase and didn't find many of the hunt events that interesting, and was disappointed they were in a book rather than cards where the hunt table could have been modified which would have made the whole thing far more interesting. Then while i liked some of the innovation of the showdown phase, i hated how long the level 2 and 3 ones were and how boring the level 1 ones became (at the start of multiple campaigns) The brutality of them was something i enjoyed but really hated how drawn out they could become. Then came the campaign restarts and while you talk about needing to work out a strategy to make the early game tolerable without being too hard, i found this got really dull, but you were punished too hard if you deviated too much from getting specific things early (not going to spoil what for those who haven't played yet) While i like some of the mini designs the base box unfortunately has the issue of being put together from a range of existing minis and the reason they are all included in a cohesive story wrapped around them instead of being designed to be together (which granted some of the in progress stuff is for sure rectifying) I also hated the engineering of the bulk of the armour sets (but i sold most of them off so made a bunch of money back on them alone) I did have great fun painting a lot of it though. In the end i would make excuses not to pull it off the shelf so ended up selling it (and coming out well ahead of what i actually paid) But i can't complain about getting so much game out of it, but between Kingdom Death and Gloomhaven they really showed me what i don't like in big campaign games and what to look out for when looking for new ones (pretty much i hated how repetative i found both of them) Any in conclusion to my Thesis, great video review mate, but thought i would chuck up what is bound to be a fairly lonely negative review (that isn't turned off by the art or the miniature hobby part of Kingdom Death but rather the gameplay issues that i had)
Just checked out your final comments. Very cool, knowing this is your favorite game, that you did not just say "get it!". Great points to consider were made. Very respectful, responsible reviewing, IMHO. And I think if someone is okay with nudity, they would likely not have a problem with this game. There are female AND male parts flying all over the place and no sense of inequality that I could pick up on. It simply adds to the inevitable sense of vulnerability one feels while playing this amazing game. Thanks for bringing this awesome game experience to my attention!
Thanks for the great review ! I sold kdm in the past because of the book keeping part - the addition of the app would make such a difference ... I might need to spend money ... Again ...
This might sound silly. I'm finally getting the urge to jump on the KDM band wagon, however I unfortunately know how the story ends and what the final encounter is. Is the experience still worth the purchase?
Absolutely - it’s about the story you build on the journey and the adventures you will have, people you will see born, fight and die - it’s a total emotional rollercoaster that’s not just about the end.
This game always looks amazing, but.... yeah, its' a tough buy. Trying to assemble the minis would drive me to madness. Heck, I've only got one thing so far that required any assembly, which was a mega-boss for Dark Souls, and that's only 3 large pieces, but it still was super irritating and it comes apart sometimes. Yeah, the thing looks just amazing during gameplay, but still frustrating. I'll never understand how people get into building stuff like that on a more complicated scale. Though also it's hard to make a $400 board game sound like a logical purchase. Normally I dont really care about cost at all. When I buy games that have expansions, I tend to just buy everything at once, because I bloody well can. But $400 for JUST the main box? Even I cant reason that one out. And it's probably mostly because of the minis. I love board games, but sometimes minis just seem kinda... unnecessary. Yeah, they look amazing, but you could replace them with small pictures of poodles and it's not like the actual gameplay would really change much. Well, all that and also it's just tougher to acquire stuff during this accursed pandemic. Still, it really does look just superb. I think I'd probably love it. Ugh. With my absolute lack of self control, I'm probably going to end up with a copy of this sooner or later. And then I'd get frustrated at the minis and try to staple them together or something silly like that.
I wish they had a version where they replaced the miniatures with standees and lower the cost to $100. I think KDM as a game looks amazing, because I LOVE story driven games, specially when random things happen. Also the boss fights look really fun. I just wish it didn't cost $400. I really don't care about miniatures all that much. But having said that, I still think I'm going to buy it. I believe the hours you put into this game will pay for it over time...at least I hope it will.
I need to row back from describing the SUSD review as a travesty. That's how I remembered it. However, I have watched again and I was unfair. Paul made a number of good points. His analogy comparing a Queen single and a Van der Graaf Generator triple album was funny and insightful (although everyone knows VDGG made no triple albums). I still think a Euro-gamers channel was never going to like the game. Nuff said.
Great review mate , I love the game but it’s a nasty nasty hard & unforgiving game be prepared for pure rage & despair after losing everything many times maybe not a happy game for a pandemic 💀
Commenting here so I can come back to this. Kingdom death is a game I drool over, but can't afford. Gonna try to get it next black friday. I'm dying to put the minis together.
i think hand spans should be the new standard for measuring game boxes lol the game really reminds me of the monster hunter video games and really like the gear system... but its soo big! one day Jonny...one day. Great video mark
I agree with your take on the hypersexuality, but I think "misogyny" is the wrong word. However, I can definitely see how those who look at the game and know nothing about it would assume so. I know I did! The hypersexuality focuses on men and women pretty equally (for every set of large breasts, you'll find a penis flopping around somewhere). There's no targeting on women, and in fact the gameplay tends to favor women. Many of the game's most powerful characters are women, there tends to be something of a matriarchal theme in a lot of the events and lore. It's also interesting to note that for all the violence, sexuality, body horror, etc, Poots has stated there is no rape in KDM. But I get it; like I said, from the outside looking in, KDM looks like a misogynistic game. It was a big concern of mine until I started playing, and went "Well damn, they flipped the script on me! Awesome!" I'd also point out that as far as the in-game content goes (i.e. not the pinups and extraneous sculpts), the majority of the sexuality in the game is not AT ALL portrayed as titillating. It's not meant to be sexy, it's body horror. It's meant to be twisted and horrific, taking these body parts made for life and creation and twisting them into something perverse and terrifying. Every monster in KDM was once a survivor (or survivors) that was warped by the world, and that's what they became.
Great review. This made me want and not want Kingdom Death Monster :D I think I will keep an eye out for this game and think about it, when it is on sale
I don't know that I would call it Misogynistic; both male and female models are hyper-sexualized, and neither sex has a benefit or demerit. I think all the skin, and the monstrous peni are aimed at hitting an uncomfortable, uncanny place.
Gobsmacked what a collection of boardgames you have after just one year. Anyway as others will say I disagree with the term misogyny completely, quite the opposite..there is male nudity in this game , so I think this is more a reaction to how people feel about nudity and sexuality . I do agree this is an amazing game, probably far too expensive and too unique to ever be accepted and compared to other boardgames. I'm struggling to think of a comparison outside of boardgames where a medium has been taken this far , but it is a work of stunning art on many levels . Beautiful and horrific . Do you really play this solo, the tip about Scribe was great I must give that a go. Thanks.
Thank you. There is male nudity - absolutely. However, a lot of the female models are all dis-proportioned (certainly when you look at some of the models you can buy beyond the core game). The male models and characters aren’t. I’m not putting myself on a pedestal though - merely pointing out that it is very skewed towards a fantastical, old skool ideals of the female form. I’m not using the term misogyny as it may once have been used (I’m not saying that there’s a hatred of women), I’m using it in the fact that there is an obvious difference (beyond nudity) in the representations of the male and female forms in the game. Yes, it could be called hyper-sexualised but it still veers towards sexualising one gender more than another. However, it’s an interesting discussion. Thanks for taking. The time to watch and to comment. Yes - I do play this purely solo and Scribe is a godsend. 👍👍
What is it with gamers these days, if a character sheet like this is seen aa intimidating? It's not even a quater of a typical RPG. And please Old Gods erase woke and alt-rights from the face of the flat Earth!
Commenting here so I can come back to this. Kingdom death is a game I drool over, but can't afford. Gonna try to get it next black friday. I'm dying to put the minis together.
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Great video! In my experience you should always wait with your purchase a little while. KDM has this tendency to worm itself into your mind. If you encounter KDM for the first time and you can't stop thinking about it, investigating it, watching videos about it...then it's the right game for you. For me it took about a year and it ended with me getting the core box just last week and already putting aside funds for Black Friday :D
I am always happy to say that I was a 1.5 backer for this and have zero regrets. Every time I bring out this game for solo play or with a dedicated group I always have fun and always reminded how much of a great purchase this was. I have spent over 1k in current expansions already and another $800 in future expansions. This really is a game like no other and is more of enthusiast board game then your standard fair. You definitely need to love building and painting miniatures though since that is half the fun in my honest opinion. I love my plastic crack.
The first story is amazingly done. It only goes over the most important rules and makes sure you know the showdown phase (which is where most of your choices will be centered around) without making you worry about gear and settlement management
Still love this vid and come back to it from time to time when I’ve had a break from KDM to get me back in the mood for a game. Will you do a comparison vid with ATO one day?
I got this off of the original Kickstarter, i ended putting probably close to 75 lantern years into the game with different groups and solo...and then realised that the only part of the game i actually enjoyed was the Settlement Phase.
I loved the settlement phase, loved all of the option it gave you. Loved the feeling when you had great little stories that popped up with the different events or the set story events. Plus prepping the hunting party, i loved puzzling out the item grid trying to make the best out of what was available
But i realised that i absolutely hated the generally unmitagatable randomness of the the hunt phase and didn't find many of the hunt events that interesting, and was disappointed they were in a book rather than cards where the hunt table could have been modified which would have made the whole thing far more interesting.
Then while i liked some of the innovation of the showdown phase, i hated how long the level 2 and 3 ones were and how boring the level 1 ones became (at the start of multiple campaigns)
The brutality of them was something i enjoyed but really hated how drawn out they could become.
Then came the campaign restarts and while you talk about needing to work out a strategy to make the early game tolerable without being too hard, i found this got really dull, but you were punished too hard if you deviated too much from getting specific things early (not going to spoil what for those who haven't played yet)
While i like some of the mini designs the base box unfortunately has the issue of being put together from a range of existing minis and the reason they are all included in a cohesive story wrapped around them instead of being designed to be together (which granted some of the in progress stuff is for sure rectifying)
I also hated the engineering of the bulk of the armour sets (but i sold most of them off so made a bunch of money back on them alone)
I did have great fun painting a lot of it though.
In the end i would make excuses not to pull it off the shelf so ended up selling it (and coming out well ahead of what i actually paid)
But i can't complain about getting so much game out of it, but between Kingdom Death and Gloomhaven they really showed me what i don't like in big campaign games and what to look out for when looking for new ones (pretty much i hated how repetative i found both of them)
Any in conclusion to my Thesis, great video review mate, but thought i would chuck up what is bound to be a fairly lonely negative review (that isn't turned off by the art or the miniature hobby part of Kingdom Death but rather the gameplay issues that i had)
I like how your brightly colored card grids and survivor bases lighten the dour mood a bit :-)
Just checked out your final comments. Very cool, knowing this is your favorite game, that you did not just say "get it!". Great points to consider were made. Very respectful, responsible reviewing, IMHO.
And I think if someone is okay with nudity, they would likely not have a problem with this game. There are female AND male parts flying all over the place and no sense of inequality that I could pick up on. It simply adds to the inevitable sense of vulnerability one feels while playing this amazing game. Thanks for bringing this awesome game experience to my attention!
Thanks for the great review ! I sold kdm in the past because of the book keeping part - the addition of the app would make such a difference ... I might need to spend money ... Again ...
Thanks for the video, exactly what i was looking for as a review
My favorite game ever. I'm at the eighth campaign (People of the Stars, lantern year 18).
This might sound silly. I'm finally getting the urge to jump on the KDM band wagon, however I unfortunately know how the story ends and what the final encounter is. Is the experience still worth the purchase?
Absolutely - it’s about the story you build on the journey and the adventures you will have, people you will see born, fight and die - it’s a total emotional rollercoaster that’s not just about the end.
This game always looks amazing, but.... yeah, its' a tough buy. Trying to assemble the minis would drive me to madness. Heck, I've only got one thing so far that required any assembly, which was a mega-boss for Dark Souls, and that's only 3 large pieces, but it still was super irritating and it comes apart sometimes. Yeah, the thing looks just amazing during gameplay, but still frustrating. I'll never understand how people get into building stuff like that on a more complicated scale.
Though also it's hard to make a $400 board game sound like a logical purchase. Normally I dont really care about cost at all. When I buy games that have expansions, I tend to just buy everything at once, because I bloody well can. But $400 for JUST the main box? Even I cant reason that one out. And it's probably mostly because of the minis. I love board games, but sometimes minis just seem kinda... unnecessary. Yeah, they look amazing, but you could replace them with small pictures of poodles and it's not like the actual gameplay would really change much.
Well, all that and also it's just tougher to acquire stuff during this accursed pandemic.
Still, it really does look just superb. I think I'd probably love it. Ugh. With my absolute lack of self control, I'm probably going to end up with a copy of this sooner or later. And then I'd get frustrated at the minis and try to staple them together or something silly like that.
Haha see and assembling the minis is one of my absolute favorite parts of it.
$400 is expensive as an upfront cost...but I have spent way more than that on Warhammer 40K armies too.
I wish they had a version where they replaced the miniatures with standees and lower the cost to $100. I think KDM as a game looks amazing, because I LOVE story driven games, specially when random things happen. Also the boss fights look really fun. I just wish it didn't cost $400. I really don't care about miniatures all that much. But having said that, I still think I'm going to buy it. I believe the hours you put into this game will pay for it over time...at least I hope it will.
Great work, Mr Dainty. This deserves to move from BGG latest video to hot review, to replace the SUSD travesty.
I need to row back from describing the SUSD review as a travesty. That's how I remembered it. However, I have watched again and I was unfair. Paul made a number of good points. His analogy comparing a Queen single and a Van der Graaf Generator triple album was funny and insightful (although everyone knows VDGG made no triple albums). I still think a Euro-gamers channel was never going to like the game. Nuff said.
Great review mate , I love the game but it’s a nasty nasty hard & unforgiving game be prepared for pure rage & despair after losing everything many times maybe not a happy game for a pandemic 💀
Great fun watching This.
How many characters to control do you recommend for solo gaming?
You have to play with 4 for the hunt and showdown.
@@NotBoredGaming thank you, Ive watched this video literally 4x before pulling the trigger.
Christmas will become grim and fun
Commenting here so I can come back to this. Kingdom death is a game I drool over, but can't afford. Gonna try to get it next black friday.
I'm dying to put the minis together.
i think hand spans should be the new standard for measuring game boxes lol the game really reminds me of the monster hunter video games and really like the gear system... but its soo big! one day Jonny...one day. Great video mark
Dude - you would love it but it’s very expensive. However, I think it’s totally worth it. Cheers buddy 👍
Terrific review--thank you! :)
Boardgames are totally underrated as prepping items. If the grid goes down and electricity is gone whatayagonnaplay then? Gamers will need their fix.
You will have to fight for your own survival then and no time for boardgames about survival.
I agree with your take on the hypersexuality, but I think "misogyny" is the wrong word. However, I can definitely see how those who look at the game and know nothing about it would assume so. I know I did! The hypersexuality focuses on men and women pretty equally (for every set of large breasts, you'll find a penis flopping around somewhere). There's no targeting on women, and in fact the gameplay tends to favor women. Many of the game's most powerful characters are women, there tends to be something of a matriarchal theme in a lot of the events and lore. It's also interesting to note that for all the violence, sexuality, body horror, etc, Poots has stated there is no rape in KDM. But I get it; like I said, from the outside looking in, KDM looks like a misogynistic game. It was a big concern of mine until I started playing, and went "Well damn, they flipped the script on me! Awesome!"
I'd also point out that as far as the in-game content goes (i.e. not the pinups and extraneous sculpts), the majority of the sexuality in the game is not AT ALL portrayed as titillating. It's not meant to be sexy, it's body horror. It's meant to be twisted and horrific, taking these body parts made for life and creation and twisting them into something perverse and terrifying. Every monster in KDM was once a survivor (or survivors) that was warped by the world, and that's what they became.
Only prude US citizens regard KDM as "hypersexual". That's why there is so much need for extreme porn in the US.
I can’t justify the cost / get hold of a copy of this sadly. Have you ever tried it on tabletop simulator? If so do you recommend it?
I haven’t as I have the physical copy.
Epic review for an epic game
Great review. This made me want and not want Kingdom Death Monster :D
I think I will keep an eye out for this game and think about it, when it is on sale
Haha - thanks. Black Friday is your friend for when it’s on sale from the Kingdom Death website - it’s about 1/3 off on Black Friday.
I’ve invested in 1.6! Still waiting for it to be delivered though 🙁 is KDM still your favourite game?
It really is. The wait will be worth it for you 👍
I don't know that I would call it Misogynistic; both male and female models are hyper-sexualized, and neither sex has a benefit or demerit. I think all the skin, and the monstrous peni are aimed at hitting an uncomfortable, uncanny place.
Brilliant review 👍
Gobsmacked what a collection of boardgames you have after just one year. Anyway as others will say I disagree with the term misogyny completely, quite the opposite..there is male nudity in this game , so I think this is more a reaction to how people feel about nudity and sexuality . I do agree this is an amazing game, probably far too expensive and too unique to ever be accepted and compared to other boardgames. I'm struggling to think of a comparison outside of boardgames where a medium has been taken this far , but it is a work of stunning art on many levels . Beautiful and horrific . Do you really play this solo, the tip about Scribe was great I must give that a go. Thanks.
Thank you. There is male nudity - absolutely. However, a lot of the female models are all dis-proportioned (certainly when you look at some of the models you can buy beyond the core game). The male models and characters aren’t. I’m not putting myself on a pedestal though - merely pointing out that it is very skewed towards a fantastical, old skool ideals of the female form. I’m not using the term misogyny as it may once have been used (I’m not saying that there’s a hatred of women), I’m using it in the fact that there is an obvious difference (beyond nudity) in the representations of the male and female forms in the game. Yes, it could be called hyper-sexualised but it still veers towards sexualising one gender more than another.
However, it’s an interesting discussion.
Thanks for taking. The time to watch and to comment.
Yes - I do play this purely solo and Scribe is a godsend.
👍👍
I appreciate the commentary on the old school fantasy art
Love your review, thanks! I’d just like to say that I don’t see misogyny, but a hipersexualized and gore world.
I want this game so bad
Buy it on Black friday for a good deal.
Wait 1000 lbs is low level?!
As in £’s. Yup - people have spent 4/5/6 X that amount on the game.
@@NotBoredGaming ah my ignorance is showing on my lbs not £! Letting my ugly American out a bit there!
So you got the core and like 5 expansions then?
Core and 6 expansions:
Sunstalker
Dragon King
Gorm
Dung Beetle Knight
Slender Man
White Gigalion
@@NotBoredGaming Dung Beetle Knight? That sounds like an instant buy
What is it with gamers these days, if a character sheet like this is seen aa intimidating? It's not even a quater of a typical RPG.
And please Old Gods erase woke and alt-rights from the face of the flat Earth!
Commenting here so I can come back to this. Kingdom death is a game I drool over, but can't afford. Gonna try to get it next black friday.
I'm dying to put the minis together.