Kingdom Death: Monster Review

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  • @shpini1
    @shpini1 8 років тому +6

    I love that this is a long video. Tons of great insights to a game I will never play probably.
    Thanks!!

  • @BraMithra
    @BraMithra 4 роки тому +2

    Never get too attached to your characters. They are basically just a mode of transport for getting your fear sets into battle. The most important thing is the gear your going into battle with, not who is wearing the gear.

  • @nerzenjaeger
    @nerzenjaeger 8 років тому +17

    Don't get too attached to a single character. Classic D&D in a nutshell.

  • @Wedelvedeeply
    @Wedelvedeeply 8 років тому +10

    Wow. People have been asking if we'd do a video for this game, but I didn't know anything about it, so I figured I'd check out your review.
    Just... wow. I have no idea where to even start. Looks crazy intense and so expansive (and expensive!). Great review though!

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому +1

      Thank you. I fear we may lose you all to a dark place if you set down the path of giving this the ITB treatment! Probably worth it though.

    • @davedogge2280
      @davedogge2280 8 років тому +2

      Did your gaming group at Inside the Box manage to get a copy ? it's very expensive though. I know they are doing a relaunch edition for Kickstarter Black Friday time 2016.

  • @peteshirey1845
    @peteshirey1845 8 років тому +13

    " Bat....Long Pause....Crazy" Nice save Joel, Nice save!

  • @antoyal
    @antoyal 8 років тому +2

    Great overview and review, Joel! It's interesting, it seems like the settlement is your character in this game. And the survivors are kind of like gear for the settlement.

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому +1

      +antoyal That's very accurate. Or like a "resource".

  • @samuelvandyke5344
    @samuelvandyke5344 8 років тому +3

    I really like Ben's painting choices. I think most would go for a straight forward color palate but the style here really seems to match the game. Bravo. Excellent light choices.

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому

      +Samuel VanDyke Totally agree. He did an awesome job!

  • @1183newman
    @1183newman 8 років тому +4

    The expansions really do add a lot to KDM, the game plays fine without them but the new quarries and nemesis bring a lot of cool new aspects to the game. I played a game of KDM with most of the expansions and it doubles your fighting arts and disorder decks, add loads of new terrain pieces, story events and locations. Its a lot of money for the expansions but if you are a fan its worth it.
    The lantern Festival expansion will expand the base campaign past the watcher, so the watcher is a kind of break in the game. It isnt the end unless you want it to be.

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому

      +sam newman Good to know. Thanks Sam.

    • @gimpy1091
      @gimpy1091 5 років тому

      For 400+$ is the gameplay just fine or actually good? Because otherwise it's just a meh game with great production value for a ton of money.

  • @ObiTrev
    @ObiTrev 8 років тому +13

    Looks like DND without the Dungeon Master.

  • @KX5Kat
    @KX5Kat 8 років тому +4

    to quote Leonardo Dicaprio, in 'Wolf of Wall Street' "No shit, you can't even buy 'em anymore. You people are all shit out of luck." KD is completely sold out. Seriously though, I hope they do a reprint soon, it's the best game I've ever played and I hope folks who didn't get it have a chance to own one too.

    • @davedogge2280
      @davedogge2280 8 років тому +1

      Kickstarter starting Black Friday 2016 end of next week (I think)

  • @franarce8380
    @franarce8380 8 років тому +1

    Awesome review! Thanks a lot, the 15 minutes before comparing with Shadows of Brimstone are really well explained on how the game makes you feel and what you will facing when playing it. I also agree with one comment here saying you could get lots of games instead of buying this one, but it seems to be an unique experience. So I believe I will buy some day with my group, but I think I prefer to buy some euros and other dungeon crawlers games first. Great review Joel, the best I seen so far!

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому +2

      +fran arce Yep. I try to stay out of, "Is this game worth $X?" That's one question I will never be able to answer. Is this game good or bad? I can try to answer that one.

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому

      +Drive Thru Review Well.. I shouldn't say never. Obviously there is comparison within a given niche. I did specifically compare Brimstone and KD price-wise... but generally I like to avoid that quagmire.

    • @antoyal
      @antoyal 8 років тому

      +Drive Thru Review That's true. It is especially difficult when you're comparing one game's price to the combined price of several other games. You can only play one game at a time, after all. But if you choose the one game then hopefully it will either have a lot of variety or will be inherently interesting enough to you that you'll want to play it a lot.

  • @Melvin7727
    @Melvin7727 5 років тому +4

    I always hear people describe grim dark things or highly sexualized things such as Kingdom Death, Berserk, Tarantino movies, Robert Rodriguez movies, as juvenile, or even "corny." I don't agree at all. In my opinion, they are stylized, and the difference is clear: intent. They purposefully bent the expectations of reality to create an alternative running reality that functions differently. The purpose of the "bend" can vary, but it often makes light of heavy subject material as a way of excusing itself from dealing with heavy subject material, alleviating some of its severity. Because otherwise, the severity would be unvearable. Stylization is like a license to talk about the most screwed up elements of humanity and demonstrate to the viewer/reader/gamer a good faith agreement to not do anything in poor taste. To me, it all comes off as highly sophisticated entertainment that reaches up as well as down. I don't think of that as being juvenile or anything similar. Sometimes "big boobs and butts" are just that. But in the context of something like Kingdom Death or Berserk? I just don't see it. Is a dancing girl in a Tarantino movie just low brow exploitation of the female sex? I hope that makes sense.

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  5 років тому

      It does. I just use the term as a shield so I don't take it too seriously. Honestly, I use it for just about any form of fantasy or sci-fi. I don't know why Lord of the Rings or Marvel movies get a pass. It's just as "juvenile" as Kingdom Death or 40k. I'll also use the term "pulp" or "Ameritrash". It basically just covers stuff that is so far divorced from reality as to not withstand much scrutiny from a stodgy point of view. I still enjoy all of the above though. :)

    • @listrahtes
      @listrahtes 5 років тому

      @@DriveThruReview Disagree about 40k as a whole being as "juvenile" as Marvel. Honestly something like Marvel shouldn not be in the same sentence as LOTR or 40k. 40k nowadays has a deeply evolved universe with classics like the Ravenor or Eisenhorn series + quite some others. The lore itself is strong and exceeds classic villain / good guy by far and touches aspects like how a saecular or religious society develops, how morals are often a cultural point of view...etc. It has layer above layer in meaning contrary to Marvel..etc which is really just low level entertaining for the masses.
      Regarding sexuality and how it is perceived that really is a cultural and political thing. Quite some people nowadays are more puritan about their body. They love watching horror even torture movies but are offended by a boob. I accept that but its a highly distorted view of reality which ends in people equalizing sexuality with sexism. Nudity and sexuality are as natural as it gets.
      In that KD:M can give us a very focused drawback on human conditioning and what Siegmund Freud called the "id".
      And again regarding juvenile I get you dont meant that in a pejoratively way but the reason I disagree with this is because I dont see the "far divorce from reality" In its overstylized artistic language it connects to us in several instances. Thats imo why people buy and play it. They feel this connection.
      sorry for my english. not a native speaker and some words may be wrong. Appreciate your channel as you always try to give a diverse picture of a game and sometimes transcend the gamers perspective.
      have a nice day

    • @jacobstaten2366
      @jacobstaten2366 4 роки тому

      I agree with you excluding Tarantino.

  • @dimowl
    @dimowl 8 років тому +3

    Fantastic review thank you! The game reminds me a lot of the video game Dark Souls- by the way there is a tabletop version of Dark Souls on Kickstarter right now.

  • @rabidduck457
    @rabidduck457 8 років тому +4

    I really like the fact that you went into the part about Survivors aren't the focus of the game but the Settlement and world are the protagonist/antagonist. Came here to say essentially this. I am a fan. I have only played solo due to having many things going on in life. My wife and children are interested in the dynamic narrative that evolves naturally from all these random events. I think this review is a very fair representation of who would enjoy this game and who would not. Its a very long review but it gives you all the info you need to pull the trigger or not on this. I compare this game to XCOM on the PC. Its not about your heroes (though you can get attached to them and get sad/happy when things happen), its about your settlement/organization. Its resource management where your guys are just a variable resource you need to go on. Your gear is what makes the biggest difference but an awesome survivor can compound that. The expansions really add a lot as well. It is not for everyone. It is for me. I am very happy with my purchase. I have never put together miniatures in my life nor painted. I found a new hobby that I enjoy along with actually playing it. I call that a bonus. I especially liked the comparison between Shadows of Brimstone as I was tempted to purchase that. This reinforces my choice to get Kingdom Death Monster over it. Well done

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому +1

      +rabidduck457 Thanks for the feedback. I took a look at it last night and couldn't figure out where to edit the video down. I'm happy with it. It's way way longer than I like a video to be. That's awesome to hear you really got into the assembly aspects.

  • @Infyra
    @Infyra 8 років тому +6

    Comparing the miniature quality of this game to Shadows is like comparing the Mona Lisa to a dog turd on the sidewalk. Also the combat in this game is way deeper then the Shadows combat is, especially if you just compare two base sets and no expansions.
    Shadows is just random dungeons and slaying tons of monsters, its more like Warhammer Quest and makes your characters feel very powerful, Kingdom Death makes you feel the opposite, and even if you feel your surivor is becoming a badass, there is still a real danger to the combat. Every encounter is a boss fight.
    I feel Shadows is more approachable and lighter fun, but kingdom death has a lot more depth.

  • @bukharajones
    @bukharajones 7 років тому +2

    I know this is quite late in the day, but having just received it, I appreciate this very matter of fact review, which is a nice juxtaposition to the SUSD review.

  • @knessing7681
    @knessing7681 8 років тому +5

    Thanks for being Clear and Precise ... it's a good review and reveal. Just came from (watched a couple of vids) BeastOfWar channel, OMG, they make the boardgames they're playing and reviewing so unnecessary infuriating convoluted, and extremely slow. Awesome vid. going to binge watch a couple more of your vids : )

  • @Heraclatian
    @Heraclatian 8 років тому +5

    Any dark souls player is right at home here. As an aside that's an anticipated board game.

    • @VagrantShadow
      @VagrantShadow 5 років тому +1

      That is just not at all true. I see this comparison everywhere and I just don't see it.
      Dark Souls you have complete control and anything that happens to you is because of you. You didn't dodge at the right time etc etc The game continually coaches you to learn how to play and beat it (It's overrated on its "difficulty").
      KDM Is about rolling dice and only being able to slightly mitigate possibility of failing a role. But at the end of the day this is just a game about the luck of the dice.

    • @grissnagck
      @grissnagck 4 роки тому

      @@VagrantShadow I think its more like darkest dungeon with the randomness

  • @timir313
    @timir313 8 років тому +1

    My favorite game of all time. Already bought all the expansions from the spearhead campaign.

  • @cwei10
    @cwei10 8 років тому

    reminds me of Romancing Saga 2 from SNES. Where you play as rulers of a kingdom , expanding it, recruiting more allies, completes project to advance weapons and spells. Then die of old age or in battle, pass on skills learned to the next ruler. Eventually facing the final boss. Maybe when I get some extra cash I will pick Kingdom death: monster up and give it a shot.

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому

      +Wei-Yu Chen Very interesting comparison. I'd not thought of that, but that makes sense. I've forgotten about those games, but that would be a cool theme for such a system.

  • @paulaceto6492
    @paulaceto6492 8 років тому +1

    Nice, thoughtful review. You may know by now that Nick at Board Game Brawl listed this as his top 10 solo game, and this, Shadows of Brimstone and Myth are my top 3. I can see an issue with trying to play this multiplayer. You need everyone together for many sessions, which is not easy to do. But solo, you can proceed at your own pace.
    And oh, I really, really hate The Butcher. Next time, I will be ready for him.

  • @CounterAttack
    @CounterAttack 8 років тому +2

    An excellent review. Thank you!

  • @JoachimErdtman
    @JoachimErdtman 8 років тому

    Great review Joel. I very much enjoyed watching this video.

  • @Jasebbi
    @Jasebbi 8 років тому

    WOW, that box makes the shadows of brimstone box look small.

  • @Gondorization
    @Gondorization 8 років тому

    Loved this review. Insightful, and very well presented.

  • @mikejohnson8848
    @mikejohnson8848 7 років тому +2

    Great Video!

  • @PoVisko
    @PoVisko 8 років тому +1

    Quote of the day: "Bat. . . you know, crazy."

  • @_lewtz
    @_lewtz 8 років тому

    Game is amazing. It is now OOP. Only way to get it is ebay. OR.. if you locate the rules... somewhere... there is mods on Tabletop Simulator for it that work great.

  • @kevinerskine3299
    @kevinerskine3299 8 років тому

    Thanks for doing this Joel. I keep looking at this, but with Brimstone and even more so Myth, I think I can pass on this now. Much appreciated!

    • @LuisFernandoRamosB
      @LuisFernandoRamosB 8 років тому

      +Kevin Erskine
      Honestly, this is way better than those 2. I would even consider to sell both just to get this.

  • @Azhi3r
    @Azhi3r 6 років тому +2

    is it worth it for gaming solo ? or should i think about another game for solo?

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  6 років тому +1

      Azhier Radak It depends if you like building and painting minis. If you do, I’d recommend soloing it.

    • @uluairi
      @uluairi 6 років тому +3

      In my opinion, this is the perfect game to play solo. I don´t want to share this nightmare with anyone. It´s only me, and the darkness... I also don´t want anybody to see me crying xD

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  6 років тому +1

      @@uluairi More than a fair point right there.

    • @Azhi3r
      @Azhi3r 6 років тому +1

      @@DriveThruReview I never paint minis and i never build minis but i dont wanna play anything else in the pc, i start to play some small boardgames this months and its really different, its more... sane in a way and fun to me now. Im worried about to build the minis really, but fuck it, i have a lot of time so no problem, it will be a challenge to build all those minis, thanx for the video, the answer and the channel.

    • @Azhi3r
      @Azhi3r 6 років тому

      @@uluairi make me laugh hard, and yes seems like that type of game, i dont wanna share it to

  • @malcomalexander9437
    @malcomalexander9437 7 років тому +5

    Yeah, the imagery is making me think Berserk was a big inspiration.

    • @Melvin7727
      @Melvin7727 5 років тому

      Malcom Alexander
      Berserk is the best. Big reason I'm interested in this game.

  • @gnomechompsky4996
    @gnomechompsky4996 8 років тому

    Cool review!

  • @jacobstaten2366
    @jacobstaten2366 4 роки тому

    I wish this was a computer or cellphone game just because it's so damn complicated and I'd probably end up playing it on my own.

    • @Sonnenbringer
      @Sonnenbringer 3 роки тому

      Go ahead! After just one compaign you are easily into to.

  • @KristoVaher
    @KristoVaher 8 років тому

    Have you tried Assault on Doomrock? You might like it unless you love miniatures too much.

  • @CadorYT
    @CadorYT 8 років тому

    great video thank you,
    can the friend of ben who painted this give some advise? which colors did he used?

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому

      +Khaador Shoot benwax a Geekmail on BGG. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions.

  • @Razorwindsg
    @Razorwindsg 8 років тому

    suppose you want to start over again, are you able to "reset" the character minis you made? or its going to be very fragile?

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому

      +Michael Ng Once you build the minis, they are built. You never lose gear though really, so it's not that big of an issue if you transfer weapons to a new character. The armor might not match up exactly or maybe they only have one weapon of the type or something. It will be "close enough".

    • @Razorwindsg
      @Razorwindsg 8 років тому

      +Drive Thru Review So i guess this is because the actual equipment and stats is on the cards, so the aim of the miniatures' gear representation is more of "get as close" so that I don't get confused which is which?

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому

      +Michael Ng Right. Or you could just build your favorite looking survivor and just use that all the time regardless of gear.

    • @antoyal
      @antoyal 8 років тому +1

      +Michael Ng One thing that a few maniacs are doing with this game is to put little magnets at the major joints of the characters. It requires hollowing out a space for the magnet, sort of creating a ball joint. I think that this is more common in dedicated miniatures games like Warhammer, but it does allow you to "reset" or modify your character miniatures in this game. I am not handy enough or dedicated enough to go that route though, so I would just opt for creating character archetypes. Dude with the two-hander, chick with the spear... that kind of thing.

  • @demo4444
    @demo4444 6 років тому +2

    Are you still playing this, did it stick with you?

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  6 років тому

      I've moved it along. We stuck with Shadows of Brimstone for our over-the-top-epic-long-never-ending dungeon dive campaign game. :)

    • @demo4444
      @demo4444 6 років тому +1

      Drive Thru Games do you think it's worth the cost for version 1.5 currently at $400?

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  6 років тому +1

      That's tricky. If you're going to spend the time and effort to paint everything up and are for sure going to have time to set it aside to either play it solo or with a committed group, I'd say it's worth it. It's an excellent system with an amazing outrageous theme. Maybe get folks to chip in on it.

  • @matthewham7400
    @matthewham7400 8 років тому

    Definitely my new "Grail" game. Are they planning a reprint? Copies are listed for ridiculous sums on eBay.

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому

      +Matthew Ham I'm not 100% sure. I think there are some plans. I believe at least they are gauging interest.

    • @jeffreymook5771
      @jeffreymook5771 8 років тому

      +Matthew Ham I heard he is going to have copies at Gen Con this year. This is my #1 game to get at Gen Con.

    • @1183newman
      @1183newman 8 років тому

      +jeffrey mook If any of the expansions are there as well i suggest you pick them up to because they are amazing expansions and difficult to get.

  • @Pigumami
    @Pigumami 8 років тому

    That new Dark Souls game looks like a similar kind of game with some of the chrome taken out a bit. I am a little more interested in that. Especially because of the price for this one. I will just play From Software games on the TV for now, lol

  • @conditionnerd
    @conditionnerd 8 років тому

    Great game! We wish we could get it to the table more.

  • @ElKobold
    @ElKobold 8 років тому

    What's your opinion on the ongoing Dark Souls campaign?

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому +1

      +Nichik Gameplay looked pretty mediocre from the little bit I browsed.

    • @ElKobold
      @ElKobold 8 років тому

      +Drive Thru Review Yeah, and there's a distinct lack of information / reviews as well. Reason I've asked is that the two get compared in the comments section often. But this is likely due to the price point more than anything else, I think.

    • @paulbauman8005
      @paulbauman8005 8 років тому

      +Drive Thru Review +Nichik Not really similar games, from what I can tell. DS reminds me of Gears of War: The Board Game, which isn't a bad thing but definitely not in the same league as KDM in terms of systems variety & variability.
      More DS gameplay information has popped up here (re: the exploration aspect):
      www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game/posts/1556959
      And via a few AMA sessions that have resulted in a FAQ:
      steamforged.com/dark-souls-faq
      Zero campaign, though.

    • @ElKobold
      @ElKobold 8 років тому

      +Paul Bauman Well, card-driven fighting giant bosses is in both. Not saying if it's good or bad though.

  • @AndresSalazararthub
    @AndresSalazararthub 8 років тому

    I remember this original kickstarter, I wanted it but it was over $100

    • @Straddllw
      @Straddllw 8 років тому

      And now it's over $500. There are some lucky people out there who got everything for $100.

    • @AndresSalazararthub
      @AndresSalazararthub 8 років тому

      yeah I just couldn't justify, it didn't have the replay that I needed at the time. I wouldn't mind trying it out.

  • @christopherings7996
    @christopherings7996 8 років тому

    More Dark Souls than D&D or Super Mario It seems. Putting together a game group to give this a try. Should be interesting.

  • @Mary42877
    @Mary42877 7 років тому +2

    if darksouls was a boardgame? (i've never played darksouls but that's what it looks like)

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  7 років тому

      There is actually a Darksouls board game being published this year :)

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  7 років тому

      I do hope to at least try it. Not sure when/how it's being released.

  • @kommodore6691
    @kommodore6691 8 років тому +13

    Don't see how this is worth $400. You could buy Descent, Imperial Assault, X-Wing, Armada, Shadows of Brimstone, Blood Rage and Zombicide and still come out under $400.

    • @chrisdonovan8795
      @chrisdonovan8795 8 років тому +2

      +David Pellegrini It seems to be very high quality, but I'm also confused about why they chose to go this high end. Like I said in an earlier comment, if the game is good, they can reduce the quality of the components and still have a good game. I'm guessing that their marketing strategy is similar to companies that sell expensive cars. In the board game world, this is a Rolls Royce. I don't blame them for trying, but I wonder how financially successful they will be.

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому +18

      +The Grim Jester (Chris Donovan) Ya. i don't think the one to many price comparison is quite apt. You could also buy like 200 fillers for the same price. You are paying for that unique boutique experience. The minis in none of those games are as details as this game... nor as customizable. A couple of those are great games. Brimstone is probably the closest comparison. And yes, when you look at that across the board. You can get ALL of the Brimstone items for the same price. And that's a real interesting comparison imo. They have a lot in common but are also very different... as I talked about in the review ;)

    • @tomwatson7817
      @tomwatson7817 8 років тому +6

      They have a second Kick Starter with reprints and additions and they raised over 4 Million in the first 24 hours. The quality of the game and components are the goal vs making a mass marketed game. Basically Creator gets to explore his artistic and creative desire with out having the business aspect get in the way of what he wants in the game.

    • @mrmoto66
      @mrmoto66 7 років тому +2

      Simply STUNNING. Nothing comes close. Experience alone is worth admission.
      NOTHONG LIKE IT AND LIKELY NOTHING WILL COME CLOSE FOR SOME TIME.

    • @a.7801
      @a.7801 7 років тому +1

      Is it possible to still get this game or am i too late?

  • @eriksjogren800
    @eriksjogren800 Рік тому

    Thanks

  • @zephro666000
    @zephro666000 Рік тому

    Do you play this game solo

  • @john-lenin
    @john-lenin 3 роки тому

    Someone needs to buy me a copy.

  • @Vertigo180
    @Vertigo180 7 років тому +4

    I was kind of hoping this would make me NOT want this game. Guess I'll have to track it down.... and some friends too.

  • @Sephvion
    @Sephvion 8 років тому +1

    So, pretty much, don't play this in my LGS. Hahaha.
    And your friend is a good painter. Does he have any videos?

    • @DriveThruReview
      @DriveThruReview  8 років тому +1

      He doesn't. But, you find him as Ben Waxman on BGG. His image contributions will be on his profile.

  • @EclecticCamel
    @EclecticCamel 8 років тому

    Seems cool. Looks a little darker than I'd probably gravitate towards, so I don't feel too bad that it's essentially out of reach indefinitely. But everything looks pretty on point, no question.

  • @1body1year
    @1body1year 8 років тому

    Made me want the game, but ooooh that price tag.... so I never will get it.

  • @cheesedanishable
    @cheesedanishable 6 років тому +3

    Darkest dungeon the board game

  • @LosthorizonPT
    @LosthorizonPT 8 років тому

    I will never be playing this so thx for the insight :)