Profitec Pro 600 vs Expobar Brewtus IV Espresso machine comparison
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- A comparison between the Profitec Pro 600 and Expobar Brewtus IV and why I chose the Pro 600.
The equipment was purchased at Whole Latte Love. They are highly recommended! www.wholelatte...
Pro 600 new steam arm mounting: 9:08
Drip tray comparison: 12:54
Valve comparison: 14:38
PID comparison: 16:48
Shot pulled on Brewtus: 24:57
Shot pulled on Pro 600: 29:09
pump noise comparison: 31:47
Black side panel on Pro 600: 33:02
In Australia this Expobar sells for around AUD2600 and Profitec 600 for AUD3800, so they are not in the same league and obviously expect Profitec 600 to be better built. I ended up buying Expobar and for that price you get so much real estate that can not be rivalled by any other brand for a dual boiler. It is like a beast, 2mm thick SS body, huge 2x1.5lr boilers so can make lots and lots of coffee one after one. It take about 4 minuet for the boiler to heat-up and another 4 minute for brew boiler to reach the temp, but I leave it longer to heat the group-head. I did not experience most of the issues you raised about the machine. Its reinfusion chamber is smart. I was a bit hesitant to buy it after seen the review, but I am more than happy that I bought this machine.
Just ordered the 600. Your videos were the most beneficial in helping my decision. THANK YOU!
same here. How are you liking it?
Bout to order a 600 myself. In all my research it’s the oneeeee
@@eigojiyouzu Had it for just over a year and love it! There's now a flow control option that can be added to it because of the E61 group head but I haven't bought it. Nice to have options to mod / improve if needed.
I did get a bottomless portafilter and only use that. Also got a nanotech (quartz) coated filter basket that is VERY easy to clean.
@@takemijo5617 nice one, I’ve since picked up a bottomless. I wouldn’t change a thing. I get perfect extractions on nearly every shot i pull. This machine is it for me. Couldn’t be any more pleased
This is a very thorough review of the two. Most people buying at this level are going to be very picky with details like this.
Thank you! I love the work that WLL and other stores do but they do tend to talk more about pros and not the cons. Your approach asks many of the questions I have been wondering about.
Thanks for the thorough review. WLL does a great job with their videos but I like the "home user experience" perspective. Nice.
Really great real world review. We don’t get the brewtus here in the UK but I am interested in the Pro 600 and was great to learn a few things missed in plenty of the mainstream video reviews. So thank you!
The Profitec Pro 600 has a rubber isolator on its pump. That's why it's it's quieter.
Some lavazza bags you buy are more than a year off roast . People don’t realize that no matter how famous that brand is, coffee freshness always win . Try Ruby Coffee espresso beans or Kickapoo full spectrum. Both are great for milk based drinks and super fresh .
Fresh (up to month old) coffee always wins big brand bags and stale coffee always tastes wrong, no matter how good machine is.
Agreed! I switched to Nicoletti espresso blend. It's usually less than a week old lol. Found on Amazon too.
This is a timely video for me as my Brewtus IV is in for repair (again) and I'm thinking of buying either a new Brewtus IV or a Profitec 600 or 700 (or a Rocket). I don't think the outcome of the test was ever in doubt given that the Brewtus design is about 10 years old and, in the UK, £550 ($710) cheaper than the 600! Good vid though - many thanks.
2 things. 1. A cold portafilter will pour differently. 2. Timing the shot should begin when the pour starts; 25-30 seconds from first drips for 2oz. I have a Prof and love it.
All true! I'm down to just the Pro 600 now. I added a Lunar scale also and I'm single dosing with the Ceado E6P so everything is pretty consistent these days :) I switched coffee also. I use Nicoletti beans Espresso roast (found on Amazon). They are super fresh, the roast date is usually a few days before I get them.
@@ComputerProMedia l'm currently grinding with a Mini Mazzer. It's been pretty good for years, but I'm getting an E6p soon. I get beans from a local roaster and love them. The whole home espresso thing is addictive!
@@danielmedley3486 When single dosing with the e6p, a standard 58mm tamper or distribution tool will fit the top hole to stop the beans from popcorning up. I'm using my distribution tool and it works great. It would be awesome if they made a small single or double dosing funnel that fit that unit. The hopper it comes with is huge. It's convenient to fill it up but to be honest the grind time to output ratio changes after the beans sit in the hopper and it's a pain to dial it in all the time. With single dosing, you can leave the grind setting alone, unless you change bean vendors. You'll like the e6p, it seems like a workhorse.
cpro48609 I saw a video where mark said the mazzer mini hopper fit the ceado If you wanted a smaller one.
I love the magnetic kitchen timer you've attached to the Brewtus. My parents used to have one seemingly identical to this one in their kitchen and now I have one myself. I think this is one of those designs that for some reason get so popular that magnetic kitchen timers from different manufacturers somehow end up looking exactly like this. So absurd.
Awesome video man! Dont get quality customer reviews this often. But in regards to shot time on your brewtus, correct me if I'm wrong, but most expobars takes longer to pull a shot due to the way the e61 group head is milled under the shower screen. It's intended to create a even preinfusion but when you flip that lever, there is extra space that must be filled before coffee can start dripping. Overall, awesome video, boss!
This is exactly what I'm comparing! Thanks for sharing
in Australia, the first cost 3500AUD and the second 2500AUD. I most probably going with the second as an upgrade from the 650AUD Breville express. Only cons personally I found from your video is the metal taste you said as they using copper not stainless steel. Not sure now. Thinking of the new Crem One but not many reviews around!
The temperatures given at around 7:00 really blew my mind until I realised...Fahrenheit!
Ha!
Hope I don't mistake, but I think you can modify the pressure of the expobar...in the back of the drip tray in the right side you need to turn that screw left or right for pressure. You need to search on UA-cam. Hope I don't mistake
You're right (from a Brewtus IV owner).
The under extract is when the shot is too fast, and the over extract is when the shot is slow!
You may have just changed my mind about buying the brewtus. Great job breaking them down, thanks.
The Brewtus is a great machine, especially for the money! I think the Pro 600 is a better machine for sure but it's $500 or so more so that has to factor in. If money was that tight I would be happy with the Brewtus for sure. If the money difference isn't a deal breaker then the 600 is, in my opinion, the best machine (non-plumbed) for most homes. I think the smaller boiler size makes the super quick heat up time beat out the larger units, to be honest. It's awesome.
@@ComputerProMedia I just took delivery of a Synchronika today. I really wanted to get the Lucca M58 from Clive but I didn't want to spend $200 on sales tax, so I just went all in for the Ecm. It's a little more than I wanted to spend but for the time that I hope to use it, it's still way less than buying one drink per day.
@@spencersmustache2844 oh man! That is an awesome machine! Love the joysticks. That's a top end unit for sure that you can't really go wrong with. What did you do on the grinder end?
@@ComputerProMedia I got a Ceado E5p. I figured I can weigh doses manually to save the extra I spent on the machine. Joysticks were why I decided to go with it and why I was looking at the Lucca.
Being able to be plumbed in was a dealbreaker for me. As a proud owner of a Brewtus IV for about 7 years now, I can give it a solid thumbs up. The repairability is superb on this thing. As time goes on something is going to need maintenance or repair! After about 5 years the little plastic line going from the brew boiler to the brew head started leaking. I ordered replacement parts, but the replacement started leaking after about 8 months. So what I did was go to the hardware store and upgraded the line from 1/8 to 1/4 and put in good quality quickconnects and haven't had a problem since.... If I were to do it over again I would use flared copper tubing to replace the one plastic line from the brew boiler.
This was a great video! Held up really well! I've just bought a Pro 600 and I was wondering if I'd made the right choice (buyer remorse maybe) but your side by side video has reassured me I made the right decision!
This is tuff!! Ordering my cirst machine between profitec600 or crem one infuser dual boiler(rotory pump). 🤦🏽♂️
Thank you! Brilliant overview.
expobar delay is due to preinffusion chamber..thats a good thing.
Awesome mate. Really helpful.
Super video! Thank you for sharing it.
After watching your videos I ended up buying the 600. I also purchased the sette 270wi since I knew how to fix the static issue and it produced super fluffy grinds. Loved that part. But I had a couple of issues with it and decided to exchange it with the ceado 6p. It was a surprise to feel how heavy this grinder is compared to the sette. It’s a quality build for sure! Thank you for making these videos. It’s so nice to see you go through your process and point out the little things newbies wouldn’t necessarily think about. I do have a question though .... did your ceado start out producing clumpy grinds because mine did and I was told to run a couple bags of cheap coffee through it to season it.
I don't think it produced clumpy grinds when I first got it. What coffee are you using? I use Nicoletti Espresso roast. You can get on Ebay, it's super fresh, roasted in New York. The Sette did produce super fluffy grinds and it's known for that. I think the Ceado is a much better grinder though. Your right, it's built like a tank. I love how you can single dose with it by using that dist tool or tamper trick for the top. I'll never go back to using the hopper now lol.
cpro48609 Ive been using medium roast. It probably has more oil than your light roast. I will def try your beans in the future. Right now, I’ve been gifted so many bags of coffee, I’ll have to work through them all. Lol
I wouldn't prefer stainless steel against copper lol... copper is healthy and not getting rusty..
I would not recommend them whatsoever. They are Crooks I paid them $3,500 and they did not send out anything. I had to get MasterCard involved in getting my money back.!!!
Great comparison. Why did you choose the 600 over the Profitec 700? I’m thinking about the 600 as well. Also, how do you tell when the water level is low in the 600? Doesn’t look like you can see the tank from the outside of the machine. Thanks for posting this it was informative.
The 600 is a little more compact than the 700. Smaller boiler so heats up super quick. I knew I would only be making a few drinks at a time so the 600 was definitely a better fit for me. They are both awesome machines though! If your making 4-5 drinks at a time then I'd probably go the 700 route or Syncronika. If your making a few at a time with the occasional 4 to 5 then the 600 is the perfect sweet spot! For the water level.... there is no indicator. I usually just top it off as part of my daily routine so it hasn't been an issue at all.
Nice vid! Expobar rebranded to Crem. I like their pressure profiling machine.
btw, what's the mic and camera you are using to make your vids?
In this video it's just a GoPro attached to a chest strap.
In Canada the Profitec 600 goes for 2500 Canadian dollars
Is it true 304 non-ferrous stainless steel on those higher end machines? On my new Gaggia Classic Pro I found out they are the cheaper type of stainless steel that are ferrous and still prone to rust
Ordering my profitec 700 tomorrow. Thank you for your review, so helpful. I’m new to the whole manual espresso machines, used to super automatics. The new 700 comes in two models, one with flow control one without, not sure which one to order yet. Have no experience with flow control so maybe order without? Which tamper and leveler are you using? I’m ordering tomorrow from WLL as well. Also, which smart plug did you buy that works with Alexa? Thank you so much!
Hi Keren, I haven't used one with flow control yet so not sure. I know you can buy the kit for both the 700 and my model the 600 and then install yourself. I haven't needed it so far and to be honest don't see myself getting one. I don't tamp anymore and just use a leveling tool. The Jack Leveler pretty much does both and it makes your shots very consistent, especially if you use a scale. I did a quick review on my new distribution tool along with a few other small upgrades to the Profitec Pro 600: ua-cam.com/video/tu6G7lhw8yg/v-deo.html
Yes I just saw the other video and purchased everything you use as well. Love you videos. What plug do you use for Alexa to be able to turn it on via app?
@@kerenladizhansky8077 I have a bunch of these units and they work great: amzn.to/34DqaOM , but for the coffee maker since it is on the cupboard I installed this built in outlet version because I needed the grinder to fit tighter near the back of the cupboard: amzn.to/34Afh06
Yes, engineered in Germany, made in Italy.
Thanks a lot for the review of both machine really helpful.
I also have a question and maybe you can help since you had both machines,
does the portafilter of any of the machines work or fit on the other ?
Would appreciate the answer
Yes if they are both 58mm standard sized portafilters they should fit in either machine. I have interchanged them on those machines with no problems.
Really appreciate the answer 👍
Do you like the positioning of the PID screen on the Pro 600? Seems like the 600, 700, and Synchronika have the PID in that position down just above the steam gauge, while the Lucca M68V2 has it up high. As a beginner, I have a feeling I'll be relying on that timer, too, so I want to make sure it's in a comfortable position.
I think I would like the gauges higher like the Syncronika but i'm used to them now. For the PID... I don't know to be honest. It's hard to imagine it in a high position since i've been using this for a while now. I can tell you that the position is totally fine for me while in use. When I think about it, I do watch the output as it's pouring out and my scale underneath which is what I actually go by. Since the PID is near the bottom it feels very natural looking at the scale, the flow and the PID since they are all near each other. If it was on top I would be jumping from the top to the bottom quite a bit. If you look at my newer videos I'm always using the scale and would never not use it. In the end I think any position would probably work once you got used to it but I can tell you i'm very, very happy with the Pro 600!
Awesome! And thanks for your response to my other video. Our context is very similar. We'll mostly be making drinks two at a time for my wife and I, but every now and then it'd be cool to be able to line them up when we have friends over. I just watched a video from Clive Coffee on pulling a shot and totally see what you mean about depending primarily on weight and using the time just to see if you're in the ballpark: ua-cam.com/video/zXDI-swjL94/v-deo.html
Love that portafilter on the pro 600, where’d you buy it?
Just looked at the video, that’s not the stock Profitec portafilter, it’s a bottomless portafilter I got from Whole Latte Love.
Wait, you didn’t end up with a Mazzer grinder and La Marzocco machine? Who are you buying these machines from that have such a liberal return policy? How do you think the Profitec compares to Rocket and QuickMill? I started with a Rancilio Silvia and Rocky and wanted a dual boiler so I went with what I could swing (A Breville Dual Boiler) When it works the Breville is a fantastic machine but since 2012 I’ve had Breville replace machines, I’m on my 6th machine (Their customer support has been incredible, but I feel that I’ve overstayed my welcome). The latest Dual Boiler is failing again and I’m really annoyed (and pretty broke) I’m trying to figure out what to do now, I was thinking a Rocket Heat exchanger, but I’m not 100% certain that will meet all my needs. The thing I want the most is reliability and longevity. La Spaziale? In the meantime I bought a Hario pour over and that is keeping us happy.
So could u make sure pro 600 for coffee shop??
Question: What's your opinion on the steam / warm water wand of the Pro 600?
I like them so far. In a way I miss the old style so I could rinse directly into my sink, but I see why they designed these like they did.
That expobar has the vibration pump? Probably that's why is so louder.
Both machines have a vibration pump. The Profitech is a little big quieter though. Better dampening mounts I think.
@@ComputerProMedia Yep. Vibe pumps both.
thank you
sorry, one last question. why didn't you try out one of the Rocket Machines?
Jake Chan mainly price. Rocket seems to be a bit higher due to name. Nice machines though! I think the best value (at least for me) was the Profitec Pro 600 due to price for all the features it has especially the 2 bar pressure. The smaller dual stainless steel boilers seem to heat up and make great espresso in around 12 minutes or so which is crazy for a machine like that.
If I ever get a plumbed in machine I will probably get an ECM Synchronika.
But for reservoir machines I think the 600 is very hard to beat right now.
22:50 that wireless switch is cool, what is the brand?
It's a TP-Link, works with the Kasa app. amzn.to/3b61odQ
so are you keeping the Profittec at the end?
Jake Chan yes the Profitec is the one I chose. It’s been awesome so far along with the Ceado E6P grinder!
Have you kept it? And if so would you buy it again?
Yes we currently have the Profitec Pro 600. It's been amazing and I would definitely buy the same unit again. It's perfect for me.
@@ComputerProMedia I went ahead and jumped on the sale to get the flow control and added on the Eureka Mignon Specialita
@@Mike_Genisys That's awesome!
@@Mike_Genisys and I’ll ask you after your 7 months! How do ya like it??? Trying to justify the price but don’t know if it’s something that I’ll buy and a year later say I probably could have gotten something cheaper and been just as well off
@@ARADG15 I'd go with the 700 since it could be plumed in, or an EMC because it looks slightly nicer. I paired mine with the Eureka Mignon Specialita Espresso Grinder, and I have flow control It took awhile but I can make a latte that's close the the niche coffee shops and I'm not talking SB. Americanos are great. I think dual boilers is a must if you make a lot of milk based drinks, but if you're single you can get away with a single boiler. I think flow control isn't worth it unless you get into those specialties beans. I would change the grinder I selected out, because it's not intuitive getting back to your grind setting if you change it. It comes does to technique and grind .. gotta get a good grind and tamp correctly .. after that the machine does the rest. I also added a wemo smart outlet so I can have the machine turn on before I wake up so it's ready to go in the morning. I spent the extra money because I wanted a machine that would last at least 5/6 years. When you look at the tear down it's pretty decent parts. I went through a breville and a delonghi super automatic, both broke after a year and a half of daily usage.
What brand is the watch and the belt?
It's an Apple watch with a Leatherman Tread band. (the smaller size band, large size is huge!). The band has tools on it like glass breaker, screwdrivers, etc. amzn.to/2LkFyed
I don't see how you can call 35 min a brief overview! Good coverage though.
You need A scale!
True... Weight of grind & weight of the espresso and timer is the recipe. Maybe a smaller collection cup too, less cooling. .
The reason the expobar has a slow start whit extracting a shot is because it’s doing a pre in fusion standard it’s the way the brew group is built.
You’re not doing your homework before a review 😠 a lot of things you say is negative for the expobar and they both are excellent machines but you’re review isn’t.
Not sure what your talking about? They both extract at roughly the same speed. The Expobar has a pre-infustion chamber that just disperses water evenly after pressure builds up in the grouphead. Both units have E61 groups obviously but the Expobar has the dispersion unit inside theirs. It does not affect shot timing so i'm not sure where you thought I said it did lol. I do an E61 style pre-infuse with both units. I also said both machines were great units multiple times so not sure where the negative for the Expobar is coming from? When comparing the two, obviously the Profitec is a better made, higher end unit as it should be since It's almost a thousand dollars more than the Expobar. In the video I mention that my choice (based on my needs and budget) resulted in my purchase of the Profitec but I would be perfectly happy with the Expobar if budget was a factor. My Expobar Brewtus had a plastic smell so that was another factor why I chose the Profitec. So not sure the homework comment was warranted lol but it's all good, I wish you all the best in your coffee endeavors.
I don't know how you perceived the negativity Marco as I didn't pick up on any. The Profitech is a better machine and it should be due to a much higher price. In saying that the Brewtus is still a good machine however the quality is not as good which is reflected in the much lower price. The more you pay the better the build. Negative review?, no way.
You just cant please some people.