“If we would hold fast to that which is good, we must never tolerate or countenance any doctrine which is not the pure doctrine of Christ’s gospel. There is a hatred which is downright charity - that is, the hatred of erroneous doctrine. There is an intolerance which is downright praiseworthy - that is, the intolerance of false teaching in the pulpit.” - J C Ryle
What's interesting and should make any Christian scratch his/her head is the letters and conversations of those who were much closer in time to our Lord's resurrection. They all sound strangley Catholic. I suspect the sin of Pride is what holds back most Christians from coming home to the one and only Church with Apostolic succession.
An interesting and thought provoking discussion🙏 I’m an Irish Catholic and I love that God has called such a lovely and talented man as Gavin into the Catholic Church. He is a gentle loving child of God🙏
Just finding this now. After a long journey that took me initially to The Evangelical Church I am now on the path to becoming Catholic. Part of this certainty of the anchor that Catholicism represents to me was my admiration and intellectual curiosity about Dr. Ashenden. I am grateful for the wide ranging view from this mountain summit represented here in this interview.
Hi Hannah, thank you for watching. Sadly, I don’t agree that intellectual curiosity is the answer to this quandary that the likes of Gavin and Michael Nazir-Ali are representing. Evangelicalism is generally not faithful to the witness of Jesus Christ as revealed in the Bible, and certainly neither is Catholicism. Please see here for your weighing firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/ along with wider reading here: www.bodyzerobook.com/ 🙏
I admire your bravery in willing to become catholic.even now: It is astonishing because now the Catholic Church has huge enormous scandals and internal miseries as never before probably, and what 's even worse it now has at its head one of the the worst Popes imaginable, a Pope about whom one doubts at his every act if he is even a christian. So you are guided by Dr. Ashenden's journey, and if you permit me, you do very well by letting yourself be guided by this pure figure, this absolutely inequivocal great lover of Christ and his Church and maybe, maybe it is precisely this that renders opaque the insignificant and erroneus leadership of the present pope?
What a gracious man is Gavin Ashenden. Having been saved out of Jehovah's Witnesses (I worked at their offices in the UK for several years) I became an evangelica. It seemed to fit with my understanding of my conversion experience. However, 11 years on from my baptism, I am journeying towards the Catholic faith (via Eastern Orthodoxy). Christ left a church. As Newman said, "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant".
I have a friend who recently moved to the Eastern Orthodox Church from a nondenominational church. When I asked him about his conversion process, he gracefully corrected me. He said that he preferred to use the term “received into the eastern orthodox church“. I appreciated his graciousness by choosing the word “received”.
Thanks to the interviewer and the guest, Dr.Ashenden. Dr.Gavin is a very erudite, intelligent and charismatic addition to our Catholic Church. As a cradle catholic, I greatly welcome the respective conversions of Dr.Gavin and others like Taylor Marshall. The Magisterium is under huge attack at present. But in this time of attack, it should make us feel, and behave, in a more emboldened way. This crisis should energise us - to work harder, to evangelise better and smarter and to carry out lamp publicly in the town square. We possess a faith which is precious, more precious than everything else in fact. Public Awareness of the crisis needs to be raised - among catholics.
Thank you for watching/commenting, Seamus. However affable Gavin may appear to be in things like this, the only point is whether or not what he is now claiming is reconcilable with the biblical Scriptures. Very sadly, it isn't. Jesus spoke firmly against these kind of traditions, (see Mark 7:13). Also, FYI: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
Well, after listened to Dr Ashenden on Fiducia Suppicants, I thought surely he has written a book on his conversion. But he hasn’t. So here I am. Thank you for the upload.
Dear Mr Frank Coughlin, Gavin may be wonderful, you may be wonderful too, but being wonderful does not mean one should be tolerant of theological error, heresy and deception. This podcast may be many things but one thing it is certainly not is too short or rushed!
An excellent conversation between two gentlemen, thank you! It was a pleasure to listen and very well hosted; I learnt a lot from that being a Catholic myself. I'd really endorse another meeting, especially to consider the points below: 1. Nicholas, it would be good to explore repentance given it was mentioned throughout: the Catholic Church has the Sacrament of Confession, what I sincerely believe to be the divinely instituted means our Lord gave the Apostles (Matthew 18:18; John 20:21-23) for us, sinners, to "wash our [sin-stained] robes in the Blood of the Lamb", obtaining full pardon, and being restored to His friendship. I am simply not convinced of any other means or alternative that can produce the same fruits or confer the same amount of grace without this Sacrament. 2. I'd love to consider Biblical Mariology in more detail; apparitions are controversial even among Catholics, but in any case they were, and still are, not considered part of the Magisterium and so are not matters for salvation by their very nature. It can unfortunately, at times of controversy, take away from Catholic Mariology where I believe the real treasures are, where the latter are rich and can be supported by exegesis. In the Church, one of the ways this manifests itself is through devotions, e.g. the Rosary. The Our Father, taught by Jesus; half of the Hail Mary prayer is the angelic salutation given in Luke, the second half can be tied to Marian dogmas/doctrines taught by the Church (Mother of God; Mediatrix of graces, etc.); but also the meditation itself which is the key, inextricable element of the Rosary: the mysteries follow the life of Christ. I would be interested to hear a discussion on this. Again, thanks for hosting a fascinating, civil discourse. It's so refreshing to hear two sides search for common ground, but also lay out their differences where they exist and earnestly seek answers. Thank you. God bless, Philip
Thanks, Philip; please excuse my relative brevity. Regarding repentance, I’ve written a whole chapter on this in my book, Body Zero. If you’re interested, you can find it via Firebrand Notes. But I don’t agree with Catholic doctrines surrounding the “mechanics” of repentance and certainly not regarding Mary. There’s a follow-up to this here: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
Hey Philip, on #1 above, we can add John 20:23 when Jesus says to his apostles: ἄν τινων ἀφῆτε τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἀφιένται αὐτοῖς ἄν τινων κρατῆτε κεκράτηνται which is in modern English: Whoever's sins you forgive, they are forgiven them. Whoever's sins you retain, they have been retained. 🕊 See also 2 Cor. 5:18 “All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation”.
Glad of this chat as I deeply admire both you chaps and its a crucial topic for the Bride of Christ in these times. Jesus prayed that we "may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me." John 17:21 We're woefully far off this. I share Francis Chan's intuition that unless you're in deep grief over this, you're far from the Father's heart on this issue. The self-righteous pride of a "Reformed" Christian has gone sour in my belly and I for one am now seeking charitable communion with members of the Bride whatever denomination they've ended up in. For anyone indulging in Mary-bashing, it's worth asking yourself what the Enemy thinks of what you're doing. The Incarnation in her was, is, and will always be the trumpet call that heralded the devil's defeat. He hates being reminded of it. My hunch is that this is linked to the practical effectiveness you see when invoking it in deliverance ministry etc. Again, delighted this chat has happened and I hope you and others have more. May Christ be exalted till He comes again! MARANATHA
Hi Middie, thank you for watching and kind of you to comment. Your point about the burden for the Church - and the proximity of our hearts to His - is very true. I did the follow up this morning that is very important: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/into-the-pray/id1503334377?i=1000535055294
Out of interest Middie, who indulges in Mary bashing?! It's not something I've heard people do to be honest. Also, I would recommend Nicks podcast on Satan and the name of Jesus, he covers a couple of important points from his discussion with Gavin.
An excellent discussion. Nick, I really enjoy your videos and have learned a lot from them. They've led me to look up Bible passages and reinterpret scripture in a way that I think is more faithful. Many of your videos deal with false teaching in churches as stated by a public or figures or commentators, such as in a reaction video. I'm interested though in learning who you find complete agreement or kinship with in your interpretation of doctrine. Are there any contemporary figures as well as authors or church leaders from the past who match completely your own interpretation of scripture without any reservations?
Hi, thanks for your comment/time with my videos. Thanks also for a very good question. The short answer is very few which is symptomatic of both the' lay of the land' as well as the nature of my prophetic calling. That said, I enjoy the kind of kinship you mention with a couple of trusted men with whom I lock shields. Steve Buckley is one of them. (See a video of his I shared on my community tab). Would you mind sharing your name and a little of your own context?
@NicholasPaulFranks Thank you Nick, my name is Andrew (forgive me if I don't give full name). We've never met. I live in London. My thinking in asking the question is around the pros and cons of being part of a larger congregation and what constitutes an unacceptable level of disagreement. i.e. at what point are doctrinal differences a barrier to common worship, and specifically what is the earliest point of separation where any form of common fellowship becomes too problematic. Is it in fact inevitable that some disagreements will occur even within church members? My feeling is there is a strength in unity but I know this will mean some differences may have to be overcome. I'm Roman Catholic and despite fairly entrenched church teaching there are lively debates on whether women should become deacons and the continued existence of the Latin Mass to give two examples so I know that disagreements can happen. Not very helpful I know in illustrating my question, which is ultimately where to draw the line before a common kinship cannot hold any longer. Lastly, though RC I find an overwhelming amount of your content to be within my own churches teaching and thank you for all your videos and commentary.
Thank you, Andrew...very helpful to have this extra info. I would say that I have largely addressed your questions across my two books which I appreciate aren't quick answers but the work has been done there nonetheless. Under the 'writing' tab on my website, I have also compiled some of the key shorter articles that carry the essence of my conviction including that I don't recognise Roman Catholicism as biblical orthodoxy. Believe it or not, I say that with love. The recent content I have done on the Lausanne "covenant" is pivotally important in this regard. Critical reading is essential at this stage in world/church history and I would appeal to you to carefully read the book we examine in this video (with the caveats I provided re the error of cessationism): ua-cam.com/video/551rAlgihts/v-deo.html In specific terms of what you rightly highlight about the strength (and joy!) of faithful Christian fellowship, "The Glorious Few" really is my only answer, a central feature of which is the contribution of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to an understanding as to what national repentance would conceivably look like in our current society. As we see Jerusalem surrounded, Zechariah 12:12-14 also is worthy of reflection I hope that at least helps in some regard. N
Gavin is a lovely guy and grabs headlines but, along with Michael Nazir-Ali (who also considers the answer to capitulating evangelicalism to be a traipse to another whorehouse in search of fidelity), isn’t anywhere near radical enough. firebrandnotes.com/the-glorious-few/
Thanks, Sonia. Ongoing conversation is very important but I do think we all tend to assume that we will have the luxury of time to talk until the cows come home! This is my testimony before God: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
@@NicholasPaulFranks I do understand about time, there is never enough for everything we want to do. In any case, I look forward to further podcasts, whenever they come. Thanks for this present time.
Here's the deal. In the Davidic kingdom the queen was the mother of the king. Can you dig it? Mary IS the queen mother and given by Christ from the cross to the disciples. He had nothing more left to give, and since she was a widow and had no other children she needed John to take care of her. And much more.
@@NicholasPaulFranks Wow. I am surprised at your manner of reply. 1 Kings 2:19 is where Mr McCarthy draws his point from - "And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand." KJB
@@TyroneBeiron You might also be surprised at the manner of reply of J C Ryle who also stood in breach when it came to the eternally significant deception of Catholicism - the problem today is that we are all too polite, betraying the very significance of what we disagree about: “I really cared nothing for anyone’s opinion, and resolved not to consider one jot who was offended and who was not offended by anything I did. I saw no one whose opinion I cared for in the place, and I resolved to ask nobody’s counsel, in the work of my parish, or as to the matter or manner of my preaching, but just to do what I thought the Lord Jesus Christ would like, and not to care one jot for the face of man.” - J C Ryle “We want more boldness among the friends of truth. There is far too much tendency to sit still and wait for committees…We want more men who are not afraid to stand alone. It is truth, not numbers, which shall always in the end prevail. We have the truth, and we need not be ashamed to say so. The judgment day will prove who is right, and to that day we boldly appeal.” - J C Ryle
@@TyroneBeiron Fair enough! This video has attracted an overwhelming amount of Catholic polemic (due to Gavin’s profile) but none of which has been even remotely convincing. Hence the brevity! FYI: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
@@NicholasPaulFranks greetings - angling at the heart of the matter, really. In a world *de*-incarnating before our eyes, where is the protestant response? Apologies for a bit of presumption, but based on the discussion I take it that you are in some way affiliated with perhaps an evangelical form of protestantism?
@@BrotherJohannes Greetings. In short, I agree with you re the absence of meaningful/faithful evangelicalism in a darkening world. But I disagree that Catholicism is the answer. I think this is why Gavin initially wanted to discuss things in this video with me. The “lesser of two evils” is not the approach for a world slip-streaming to hell. If you Google Body Zero and my name, my 2019 book will come up. (If you are wanting to invest any time in knowing what I would stake my life on being true).
@@NicholasPaulFranks thanks for your reply, yes I did check the site but didn't see anything offhand in terms of an explicit confession so inferred at least something evangelical. But to the question of the Incarnation - would you not hold that a deep and profound appreciation of this is indispensable to the faith?
@@BrotherJohannes I’m sorry, John; I’m still not quite following why you’re asking this and why it wouldn’t go without saying. You can’t possibly have thought from this discussion with Gavin that I am some kind of progressive/liberal heretic?!
Only just come across this. Thanks to Gavin for his explanation as to why he joined the Roman Catholic church. Gavin was in the vanguard of with those appalled by the direction the church of England is going, standing alongside those holding the line for the truth going back to the feminist movement and the ordination of women. It seems that Gavin has fallen into a snare of the enemy. Being tormented and finding relief in the presence of Mary when he prays the rosary, he thinks that the answer is in the rosary but it’s a trap. The smell of roses is obviously from his new rosewood beads. He then needs justify the Mary bit by embracing Marian apparitions. Curiously, of all the Marian apparitions, the one Gavin very unrigorously cites is that of Garabandal in 1961. There were 4 girls (not 3 as indicated by Gavin) who claimed first a visitation from the Archangel Michael (not Gabriel as indicated by Gavin) and then subsequent multiple apparitions of the archangel and of Mary. Nowhere have I seen that the angel taught the girls to pray the rosary. Despite the whole village and busloads of visitors turning out to watch the girls in their ecstasy nobody else claimed to see the apparitions except a young, scholarly, Jesuit priest who went up to visit Garabandal and died the same day. (Not something to mess with lightly). What’s the point? Neither clerics, nor police nor secular investigators could affirm the authenticity of the occurrences. Gavin says that it was the message Mary gave the children that convinced him but the message was the very reason the church rejected it because there was nothing in it out of the ordinary that you wouldn’t hear any Sunday in church. The bishop forbad the children to enter the church because the church was getting damaged by the huge number of people pushing and shoving to see if Mary would appear when the girls went in. If we can’t verify an apparition dated 1961 how can he expect us to believe one dated 320 AD? Come Gavin. There is a huge difference between Garabandel and the transfiguration of Jesus - everyone present saw Moses and Elijah talking with Jesus. A website authored by Adela Borrás Ripol about the main Marian apparitions in Spain says “The main objective (of this website) is to offer the reader new experiences concerning the Marian apparitions and thus help increase the potential for tourism in these areas.” Not only are some of the key points re Garabandal incorrect but still Gavin is asking us to swallow hard and accept his experiences with his Rosary beads and the Marian apparitions whilst at the same time, slipping in sideways, the Immaculate conception of Mary, Mary mother of God, Mary Queen of Heaven, Mary’s perpetual virginity, Mary’s perpetual sinless state, Mary’s assumption into heaven, and probably, in the not too distant future, Mary the co-redeemer. Surely the “magisterium” belongs to the Catholic (universal) Church which any born again bible believing Christian is part of and is not the exclusive property of the Roman Catholic Church. The magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church would be better termed “dark history”. In the UK the Roman Catholic Church is a very tame beast but ask any evangelical Cristian in Spain about the persecution and martyrdom of evangelical Christians by the Roman Catholic Church including the first translator of the bible into Spanish, Casiodoro de Reina. Is Gavin really better off in the Roman Catholic church rather than fighting for the life of the church in the evangelical corner alongside the many other faithfuls from within the Church of England?
Am I mistaken? An apparition ISN’T the same as a ‘vision’. The two terms are not interchangeable. A vision can be individualistic and in the mind whereas an apparition is something which affects reality, maybe for more than one person. The two terms are not interchangeable and this factor is considered by the church when weighing up the validity of such stories…. Are we dealing with visions of the Virgin Mary or Appartions? There is a difference.
@@NicholasPaulFranks the criteria for proof is different for both. Therefore it would probably be better and more objective to define what is actually claimed. Are you trying to prove (or disprove) a vision or an apparition? I would consider the transfiguration to be an apparition of both Moses and Elijah. In that they were present with Jesus. So Marian Apparitions would need a higher burden of proof than a Marian vision. In that regard I think the terms are important to your conversation. The two terms were used by you both as if they meant the same thing which they don’t. I think your objections deserve to be answered as robustly as possible. I am a convert to Catholicism myself and am now beginning to value the communion of the saints, something that as a Protestant, I only had a very limited experience of. Great channel BTW! Paul
@@wordonwatches Many thanks, Paul. I’m certainly not disagreeing regarding the importance of language and clarifying potential ambiguity. But I don’t believe that this is a defining issue in the broader context of the conversation here as I trust was very clear through the rest of the conversation: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
Thanks, Marg. Indeed, Gavin mentions this in the article in question. It’s the overall doctrine of ‘Marian this that or the other’ that we’re calling out.
I think Dr Gavin was cut off a little unceremoniously - probably through lack of time.... He really needs to come back to talk, as asked, about the Marian apparitions and the eucharistic miracles... One can see why he has been attacked - he is saying things, as an excellent Catholic, no - one else dare...
Carmel, everybody else here has appreciated the length of time and care that was given to this conversation, including Gavin. 80 minutes is plenty for what we discussed; we need less "ceremony" and more truth.
The question over Garabandal was not really settled in this discussion. First of all, nothing in the apparitions contradicted church teaching - but the reason why it is "in hiatus" or not recognised is because one of the visionaries later declared she had not seen anything. She created a unique problem for the Church in this way, because the girls had been filmed during the apparition itself. And they had been seen acting in tandem, ie, crossing themselves, (with the sign of the Cross) all at the exact same time, ie simultaneously, but without looking at each other. Of course it is not necessary to believe in or accept private revelations, but it is interesting that they occur at times of crisis, not only for the Church, but the world. Fatima in Portugal at the outbreak of WW1, HEEDE in Germany, WW2. In 1963 Garabandal, at the time of Vatican 2.
Thanks for watching. Firstly, we weren’t aiming to prove or disprove the Garabandal stories; it was mentioned in passing in a much a longer/broader conversation. Secondly, once again, whether in a time of historical significance or not, the issue is not whether something happens or not but, rather, what was its source? Verifying spiritual origin doesn’t necessarily equate to God. Finally, with respect, there is much about Catholic teaching that we can not even begin to reconcile with the Bible and the explicit teachings of Yeshua podcast.firebrandnotes.com/900157/9179391-satan-the-name-of-jesus-feat-nick-franks
Interesting scripture, Parmandur! Thanks. Clearly our cross-purposes in this conversation relate more widely to how tradition has rather morphed (from and in to) doctrine and theology that is at least very questionable. We’ll do some content on this soon but, for now, this follow-up podcast (20 mins) is important: www.buzzsprout.com/900157/episodes (just click “Listen Now” and you’ll be taken to the episode) 🙏
P.s. just happened to read this passage in Matthew 27. What struck me (in reading it in a disconnected way from this vlog conversation) is that these saints were literal resurrections at the moments of Jesus’ death, not merely ghostly apparitions that I think you’re suggesting give credence to what Catholics maintain as wider doctrine. I don’t see anything in Scripture that warrants the belief in praying to saints etc. For me, and the likes of J C Ryle, this is dangerous.
As to the min 39 on video regarding the charismatic authority. I myself experienced often a spiritual leap in that. And then I learned to ask Jesus to intervene and the evil went away. I understood that what we perceive as our-always working authority in the name of Jesus, is sometimes absolutely failing us and this is not because Jesus does not have all power, but because we are still lacking spiritual skills to use it. On the other hand when you turn to f.ex Mary, for my understanding, she has all the authority a believer can have, because she was a special person with a very special mission for the world and never failed God in fullfilling that.
If you were able to support your comment with Scripture then you would be correct. The Bible says the exact opposite about Jesus, hence Catholicism being a false religion.
Hi Nicholas, sorry for my late reply. I was educated by the Jesuits. St. Ignatius of Loyola coined the motto ‘A.M.D.G.’ The ancient Jesuits did everything to promote God’s glory, to accomplish His will on earth as it in heaven. I admire Gavin Ashenden immensely. A true holy man.
The "Poem of the Man God" has been condemned by the Church as Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN has stated: Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, present head of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly the same office that condemned the "Poem"), informed Cardinal Siri in 1985 of the "Poem's condemnation: After the dissolution of the Index, when some people thought the printing and distribution of the work was permitted, they were reminded again in L'Osservatore Romano (June 15, 1966) that "The Index retains its moral force despite its dissolution."
@@NicholasPaulFranks I apologize for offending you. I do not know you and therefore could not know how much you were hearing in the bigger sense of the word. However, my thought is in line with what your guest said about your own facial expression when he posited his first major conclusion, all the while stressing his own deep surprise about his conclusion for the necessity of conversion. I am not sure if he characterized the look on your face as the look of "disgust" or "disdain", but that that also did not surprise him, since he certainly felt that way at first as well. Perhaps you would have preferred my saying that "it looked to me as though" the deeper your guest tried to clarify his position in chunks so that listeners would be able to follow, the more you were "listening" to individual points and actually mentally refuting what he said point by point as he spoke, but therefore not hearing the position as a whole built up by layers of points. If still believe that, as you expressed, I "don't have a clue what I am talking about", I apologize again and am sorry for you that I listened, watched and wanted to comment.
@@anda1anda2 if you’d wanted to have engaged respectfully you’d have taken a little more care rather than the curt sentence you opted for. My response to Gavin’s claim that demonic power wasn’t submitting to Jesus Christ (but was to some rosary beads) is worthy of much more rebuke than a surprised facial.
Christian's that have a different faith lens other than Catholic/Orthodox will NEVER understand Mother Mary's role in Jesus Davidic Kingdom. Mary is the new Eve. Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant Mary is the Queen Mother of his Kingdom Unless you are willing to go back to learn with an open heart from the early Church you will never see it. Ave Maria...
Ah! That old devilish chestnut that attempts to apply biblical truth (justification by the gift of faith ) to non-biblical doctrine, all the while feigning, “it is written!”. But it simply isn’t! (And you can’t show me where it is!). Thus, the LORD rebuke you.
@@NicholasPaulFranks I would disagree with the very entry or framing of the concept here. The Rosary is litany of love with Jesus at the middle. Yes, it recites angelic salutation to Mary in the Hail Mary, but Jesus is clearly marked the ends of this in the very prayer itself. It suffices to read the prayers of the modern rosary to see it. The idea that the rosary would supplant Jesus is by its very definition contradictory. Also, when a catholic priest exorcists do their work, they do it in Christ’s name. Please see an exorcism for proof of this.
@@aloyalcatholic5785 Thanks for this but, regardless of the many other aspects that could be discussed here in what you’re saying, I’m quoting Gavin directly when he says that, by experience, the Name of Jesus was insufficient to rebuke his demonic visitation cf. the Rosary that gave him breakthrough. This is clearly not even close to being biblical.
How in earth do you get to "pray the rosary or enjoy the devil " ? Certainly not from the bible. Gavin is a fantastic bloke, but that story is not going to wash with me.
The New Testament was compiled by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, therefore we believe in it only in so far as the Mystical Body of Christ (Holy Mother Church) tells us to believe it. Indeed Christ left us a Church, not a manuscript which we are free to personally interpret and create 20.000 different sects contradicting each other. The Catholic Church is not a man-made religion, but it's both a human and supernatural institution with a divine head: Christ, a God-given authority granted upon her. This is why some demons can only be driven put by Apostolic successors. And upon this Church built upon Peter the rock, Christ pledged us that the gates of hell shall never prevail against it. Indeed the 2000 years history of the Church of Jesus Christ are absolutely miraculous. Despite the endless persecutions, the pervasive internal corruption and heretics of all sorts trying to destroy it from within, she has always triumphed over everything keeping the treasure of the Deposit of Faith, the Sacramental validity, and her hierarchy uncontaminated. When most bishops were arian, the Apostolic Faith kept by few saintly bishops miraculously triumphed over those heretics. When the protestant revolution started destroying Christendom, the glorious Council of Trent and a golden age of saints restored everything in Christ, away from the humanist papacies of the renaissance.
I totally agree to Gavin's view on Reformation. From God perspective it was meant as a cleansing for the Church, but in the both involved sides actually failed. The Church wanted to almost kill Luther for his ideas, and Luther had problems with other issues which antisemitism was one of them, and got lost in events that happened after he's got revelation given by the Holy Spirit about Grace and his confrontation with the Church's authorities. However, Luther never did want to leave the Church and to build another one, these were his followers who went so far. And because God will not bless rebellion of any kind, I have feeling and observation ( I spent many years as reformed Evangelical) that ever since the Evangelicals better or worse but are all drifting in a small boats over the ocean and very often get crashed against something, whereas the original Church in both wings Eastern and Western ( Catholic & Orthodox)are like big ships heading forward, despite many problems. What is born of God will go with God, no matter what.
I think you’ll find that Luther (despite his faults) wanted absolutely nothing to do with Rome and that the reformation, rather than for “wanting a new Church”, was actually about excavating the only true Church/theology that had been buried by all the kinds of funk that you’re contending for! Hence the ongoing need of the Five Solas.
P.s. if you read the dog’s dinner of things in 1 Corinthians 11 you will see that God absolutely DOES require and call for division/rebellion. Verse 19 of that chapter says it all. We are only in right standing with God by the blood of the Lamb.
Christ sent the Comforter, The Holy Spirit to be present and indwell the belivers. That very present Holy Spirit will teach every true believer all that is necessary for eternal salvation. That present Holy Spirit is the one and only true agent of God. All people who set themselves up as The Gate are but liars and thieves. But remember the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are the Godhead singularly and collectively.
exactly! Most if not all apparitions of Mary lead the audience to Jesus and call for repentence. I constatated this when I had myself for years all possible prejudices toward these visions
Mary was given to us by our Lord on the cross. "Women, behold your son" and to John, "Behold they Mother" Our Beloved Savior performed his first miracle even before his time had come when the blessed Virgin asked him to help the wedding party, what did Mary say to the servants " Do whatever he tells you". Mary always points to Jesus ❤
Jesus in his divinity lives in the eternal mode so when he prayed to The Father that the Church may be one, he must have seen that the separation will occur, and that the separation will happen in the permissive Will of The Father, for a greater purpose. Jesus' prayer will be answered and The Church will be one.
It is no surprise to me that whenever extra biblical doctrine is embraced, (as with Catholicism) there is more than a little muddying of the waters so that even UA-cam comments are unclear.
I Think the Devil has duped Gavin into bowing at the feet of Mary rather than Standing at the foot of the cross.His attack was a double bluff .good cop bad cop .routine , Just as he did with Walter Veigh except Walter didn't fall for it . HE should take a look at walters personal testamony he would find it very interesting .When I get confused I always go back to the cross and say dose this take anything away from the work of the cross .god only wishes his son to be glorified .no one else . o i do like Gavin ..
The hubris, the ignorance, the deception, the villainy: **Acts 13:10** “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?
Yes, I despair of the ‘pick’n mix’ modern theology of the Anglican Church ! ..... but, I would not even consider becoming a Roman Catholic since Vatican II and especially under Bergoglio and his Pachamama heresy ! I would support Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Alexander Tschugguel. Read ‘Infiltration’ by Taylor Marshall. Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners, not to promote a secular globalist agenda. The RCC has betrayed its Magisterium, its Divine Certainties and the teachings of the Saints, Doctors of the Church and the Church Fathers. Christus Vincit ! Christus Imperat ! Christus Regnat !
Stephen, you are a common example of someone who doesn’t extend basic courtesy, probably has no UA-cam content of your own, voyeuristically trolls others to begin pointless arguments and yet…still wants to posture with intellectual superiority. 🤯
IN ANSWER..... SCRIPTURE IS NOT ENOUGH, THAT'S WHY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS GIVEN BY GOD THE MAGISTERIUM.... IF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH JUST HAD SCRIPTURE, THEN THE CHURCH WOULD BE PROTESTANT AND NOT THE ONE HOLY CATHOLIC UNIVERSAL CHURCH.
What a man, what a mind, what a talent and pastoral heart that is theologically sound, to lose for the Church of England, but not for the Church in England. Maybe the Church of England should simply lose England and come back to the one real Church, and than the churchmen of the former Church of England could really start again by serving the Church in England like Dr. Ashenden, or John Henry Newman did? I am really sorry, but do you honestly need more than one John Henry Newman to get things a bit right? Can national pride be that inmense.....? There is natural life for an addict once he's given up what hooked him up, so there issupernatural in abundance life for the Church in England once it loses England in its name, because that what it's hooked on, the pride that speaks out of the exclusive name, even if thereafter it also accepted to be known as the Anglican communion, or what have you...
@@NicholasPaulFranks the church in England had the bible several centuries before Tyndale. I think you mean Tyndale was the first to translate it into the English language.
@@NicholasPaulFranks even by Tyndale's time, most people in England were still illiterate, or semi literate at best. They couldn't read a Bible, nor afford to buy one. Only a small educated elite were literate, and they could read Latin, which was the universal language of Europe. It has only been the last 200 years or so that the average person in England has been literate enough to read a Bible.
@chrismole1315 The average English protestant is clueless - with respect. They have zero knowledge about the sect which they claim to believe in. Protestantism.in its conception was a land/wealth grab. More crucially, it has led billions of people away from the One True Apostolic Church into the spiritual eternal abyss.
Yes we know why you are converted. It could be the lack of your understanding of The Holy Bible. Or from the start you were acting Christian. If you are really a believer in Jesus Christ you do not say you converted from names that people created. Show me in the Bible those names, Catholic, protestant, Baptist and so on, all those names were created by people. In the Bible there is a sinner and a believer ( a converter who confece that he was a sinner who did not believe and now he believes in Jess Christ as his redeemer and his saviour). The Lord Jesus Christ said my sheep hear my vice and I know them,and they follow me ...John 10 : 27- 28 He did not say and will not say in the judgment day, are you a Catholic or are you a Protestant or are you of Church of England and so on... Hope you ask in prayer that the Lord Jesus Christ will reveal by the Holy Spirit the basic of Christianity to you to understand why you are called a Christian.
Amen to that Bessie!! I hope you might be able to read my new book coming out next week that I think you’ll appreciate. This, along with Body Zero (2019) will be here: www.bodyzerobook.com/
A Christian is a follower of Christ: Jesus says in the Bible " come follow me": this means ... come live the same way as l lived in obedience to the will of my Father in Heaven. Jesus set Himself as an example to follow his way, which is the way of His Father: Truth: Now along came different men in the history of the world and changed the way of Jesus to live the way that those men wanted... they became Protestant, Jehovahs, Mormons, Islam etc... they changed God's teaching to their own teaching. These are all different denominations created by men. They haven't got the Truth:
@@fritula6200 This is absolute nonsense but perfectly in keeping with extra-biblical Catholic mysticism. How on Earth are you claiming that Catholics brought the Bible to England?
“If we would hold fast to that which is good, we must never tolerate or countenance any doctrine which is not the pure doctrine of Christ’s gospel. There is a hatred which is downright charity - that is, the hatred of erroneous doctrine. There is an intolerance which is downright praiseworthy - that is, the intolerance of false teaching in the pulpit.”
- J C Ryle
What's interesting and should make any Christian scratch his/her head is the letters and conversations of those who were much closer in time to our Lord's resurrection. They all sound strangley Catholic. I suspect the sin of Pride is what holds back most Christians from coming home to the one and only Church with Apostolic succession.
@@craigetling9591 I at least agree with you about the sin of Pride
An interesting and thought provoking discussion🙏
I’m an Irish Catholic and I love that God has called such a lovely and talented man as Gavin into the Catholic Church.
He is a gentle loving child of God🙏
Thank you for watching, Paddy. But before God as my witness: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
Conversations like this are so rare. So much respect and care taken in these disagreements. Thank you for this, really intriguing stuff
Thank you as ever for tuning in and encouraging, bro 👊🏻 Maranatha!
not rare at all
Just finding this now. After a long journey that took me initially to The Evangelical Church I am now on the path to becoming Catholic. Part of this certainty of the anchor that Catholicism represents to me was my admiration and intellectual curiosity about Dr. Ashenden. I am grateful for the wide ranging view from this mountain summit represented here in this interview.
Hi Hannah, thank you for watching. Sadly, I don’t agree that intellectual curiosity is the answer to this quandary that the likes of Gavin and Michael Nazir-Ali are representing. Evangelicalism is generally not faithful to the witness of Jesus Christ as revealed in the Bible, and certainly neither is Catholicism. Please see here for your weighing firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/ along with wider reading here: www.bodyzerobook.com/ 🙏
Listening intently St Paul also said it " is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead so they may be loosed from their sins"
I admire your bravery in willing to become catholic.even now: It is astonishing because now the Catholic Church has huge enormous scandals and internal miseries as never before probably, and what 's even worse it now has at its head one of the the worst Popes imaginable, a Pope about whom one doubts at his every act if he is even a christian. So you are guided by Dr. Ashenden's journey, and if you permit me, you do very well by letting yourself be guided by this pure figure, this absolutely inequivocal great lover of Christ and his Church and maybe, maybe it is precisely this that renders opaque the insignificant and erroneus leadership of the present pope?
@@guygeorgesvoet4177 Name me a Church that has not had scandals or bad leaders? Is that really an argument or just a straw man.
@@NicholasPaulFranks Catholics created the Bible you profess to use to put down Catholicism. How strange.
What a gracious man is Gavin Ashenden. Having been saved out of Jehovah's Witnesses (I worked at their offices in the UK for several years) I became an evangelica. It seemed to fit with my understanding of my conversion experience. However, 11 years on from my baptism, I am journeying towards the Catholic faith (via Eastern Orthodoxy). Christ left a church. As Newman said, "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant".
firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
Welcome home!
I have a friend who recently moved to the Eastern Orthodox Church from a nondenominational church. When I asked him about his conversion process, he gracefully corrected me. He said that he preferred to use the term “received into the eastern orthodox church“. I appreciated his graciousness by choosing the word “received”.
Thank you for watching, April
This video is so enlightening....
I pray it is
Thanks to the interviewer and the guest, Dr.Ashenden. Dr.Gavin is a very erudite, intelligent and charismatic addition to our Catholic Church. As a cradle catholic, I greatly welcome the respective conversions of Dr.Gavin and others like Taylor Marshall. The Magisterium is under huge attack at present. But in this time of attack, it should make us feel, and behave, in a more emboldened way. This crisis should energise us - to work harder, to evangelise better and smarter and to carry out lamp publicly in the town square. We possess a faith which is precious, more precious than everything else in fact. Public Awareness of the crisis needs to be raised - among catholics.
Thank you for watching/commenting, Seamus. However affable Gavin may appear to be in things like this, the only point is whether or not what he is now claiming is reconcilable with the biblical Scriptures. Very sadly, it isn't. Jesus spoke firmly against these kind of traditions, (see Mark 7:13). Also, FYI: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
Very useful converation. Thank you gentlemen.
I hope it was… 1 Corinthians 11:19
I really enjoyed this podcast. Thank you both for this honest and thought provoking dialogue. I will keep you both in my prayers.
Many thanks, Marg. Glad that you found it enjoyable!
Well, after listened to Dr Ashenden on Fiducia Suppicants, I thought surely he has written a book on his conversion. But he hasn’t. So here I am. Thank you for the upload.
I deal with these types of conversions - and why they're simply not radical enough - in my new book this year: firebrandnotes.com/the-glorious-few/
Many thanks for this interesting, wide-ranging and thought-provoking discussion. (The comfort stop near the end was also interesting in its own way!)
Pleasure, Neil; glad it was informative. And, yes, it was longer than usual conversation!
That was an amazing conversation, I have learned so much thank you
I’m glad…thank you for watching 😊
Gavin is wonderful. Interviewer is C-. Rushed and conveys lack of patience.
Dear Mr Frank Coughlin, Gavin may be wonderful, you may be wonderful too, but being wonderful does not mean one should be tolerant of theological error, heresy and deception. This podcast may be many things but one thing it is certainly not is too short or rushed!
An excellent conversation between two gentlemen, thank you! It was a pleasure to listen and very well hosted; I learnt a lot from that being a Catholic myself. I'd really endorse another meeting, especially to consider the points below:
1. Nicholas, it would be good to explore repentance given it was mentioned throughout: the Catholic Church has the Sacrament of Confession, what I sincerely believe to be the divinely instituted means our Lord gave the Apostles (Matthew 18:18; John 20:21-23) for us, sinners, to "wash our [sin-stained] robes in the Blood of the Lamb", obtaining full pardon, and being restored to His friendship. I am simply not convinced of any other means or alternative that can produce the same fruits or confer the same amount of grace without this Sacrament.
2. I'd love to consider Biblical Mariology in more detail; apparitions are controversial even among Catholics, but in any case they were, and still are, not considered part of the Magisterium and so are not matters for salvation by their very nature. It can unfortunately, at times of controversy, take away from Catholic Mariology where I believe the real treasures are, where the latter are rich and can be supported by exegesis. In the Church, one of the ways this manifests itself is through devotions, e.g. the Rosary. The Our Father, taught by Jesus; half of the Hail Mary prayer is the angelic salutation given in Luke, the second half can be tied to Marian dogmas/doctrines taught by the Church (Mother of God; Mediatrix of graces, etc.); but also the meditation itself which is the key, inextricable element of the Rosary: the mysteries follow the life of Christ. I would be interested to hear a discussion on this.
Again, thanks for hosting a fascinating, civil discourse. It's so refreshing to hear two sides search for common ground, but also lay out their differences where they exist and earnestly seek answers. Thank you.
God bless,
Philip
Thanks, Philip; please excuse my relative brevity. Regarding repentance, I’ve written a whole chapter on this in my book, Body Zero. If you’re interested, you can find it via Firebrand Notes. But I don’t agree with Catholic doctrines surrounding the “mechanics” of repentance and certainly not regarding Mary. There’s a follow-up to this here: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
Hey Philip, on #1 above, we can add John 20:23 when Jesus says to his apostles: ἄν τινων ἀφῆτε τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἀφιένται αὐτοῖς ἄν τινων κρατῆτε κεκράτηνται which is in modern English: Whoever's sins you forgive, they are forgiven them. Whoever's sins you retain, they have been retained. 🕊 See also 2 Cor. 5:18 “All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation”.
Glad of this chat as I deeply admire both you chaps and its a crucial topic for the Bride of Christ in these times.
Jesus prayed that we "may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me." John 17:21
We're woefully far off this. I share Francis Chan's intuition that unless you're in deep grief over this, you're far from the Father's heart on this issue. The self-righteous pride of a "Reformed" Christian has gone sour in my belly and I for one am now seeking charitable communion with members of the Bride whatever denomination they've ended up in.
For anyone indulging in Mary-bashing, it's worth asking yourself what the Enemy thinks of what you're doing. The Incarnation in her was, is, and will always be the trumpet call that heralded the devil's defeat. He hates being reminded of it. My hunch is that this is linked to the practical effectiveness you see when invoking it in deliverance ministry etc.
Again, delighted this chat has happened and I hope you and others have more. May Christ be exalted till He comes again! MARANATHA
Hi Middie, thank you for watching and kind of you to comment. Your point about the burden for the Church - and the proximity of our hearts to His - is very true. I did the follow up this morning that is very important: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/into-the-pray/id1503334377?i=1000535055294
Out of interest Middie, who indulges in Mary bashing?! It's not something I've heard people do to be honest. Also, I would recommend Nicks podcast on Satan and the name of Jesus, he covers a couple of important points from his discussion with Gavin.
An excellent discussion. Nick, I really enjoy your videos and have learned a lot from them. They've led me to look up Bible passages and reinterpret scripture in a way that I think is more faithful. Many of your videos deal with false teaching in churches as stated by a public or figures or commentators, such as in a reaction video. I'm interested though in learning who you find complete agreement or kinship with in your interpretation of doctrine. Are there any contemporary figures as well as authors or church leaders from the past who match completely your own interpretation of scripture without any reservations?
Hi, thanks for your comment/time with my videos. Thanks also for a very good question. The short answer is very few which is symptomatic of both the' lay of the land' as well as the nature of my prophetic calling. That said, I enjoy the kind of kinship you mention with a couple of trusted men with whom I lock shields. Steve Buckley is one of them. (See a video of his I shared on my community tab). Would you mind sharing your name and a little of your own context?
@NicholasPaulFranks Thank you Nick, my name is Andrew (forgive me if I don't give full name). We've never met. I live in London. My thinking in asking the question is around the pros and cons of being part of a larger congregation and what constitutes an unacceptable level of disagreement. i.e. at what point are doctrinal differences a barrier to common worship, and specifically what is the earliest point of separation where any form of common fellowship becomes too problematic. Is it in fact inevitable that some disagreements will occur even within church members? My feeling is there is a strength in unity but I know this will mean some differences may have to be overcome. I'm Roman Catholic and despite fairly entrenched church teaching there are lively debates on whether women should become deacons and the continued existence of the Latin Mass to give two examples so I know that disagreements can happen. Not very helpful I know in illustrating my question, which is ultimately where to draw the line before a common kinship cannot hold any longer. Lastly, though RC I find an overwhelming amount of your content to be within my own churches teaching and thank you for all your videos and commentary.
Thank you, Andrew...very helpful to have this extra info. I would say that I have largely addressed your questions across my two books which I appreciate aren't quick answers but the work has been done there nonetheless. Under the 'writing' tab on my website, I have also compiled some of the key shorter articles that carry the essence of my conviction including that I don't recognise Roman Catholicism as biblical orthodoxy. Believe it or not, I say that with love. The recent content I have done on the Lausanne "covenant" is pivotally important in this regard. Critical reading is essential at this stage in world/church history and I would appeal to you to carefully read the book we examine in this video (with the caveats I provided re the error of cessationism): ua-cam.com/video/551rAlgihts/v-deo.html
In specific terms of what you rightly highlight about the strength (and joy!) of faithful Christian fellowship, "The Glorious Few" really is my only answer, a central feature of which is the contribution of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to an understanding as to what national repentance would conceivably look like in our current society. As we see Jerusalem surrounded, Zechariah 12:12-14 also is worthy of reflection
I hope that at least helps in some regard.
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@NicholasPaulFranks Thank you Nick, I'm grateful for your reply. All the best.
@@APCSW19 no animosity is meant, Andrew. I’m also grateful for your very refreshing approach. Maranatha
I am Catholic and only just discovered Dr. Ashenden. I am astonished I had not discovered his glorious witness before.
Gavin is a lovely guy and grabs headlines but, along with Michael Nazir-Ali (who also considers the answer to capitulating evangelicalism to be a traipse to another whorehouse in search of fidelity), isn’t anywhere near radical enough. firebrandnotes.com/the-glorious-few/
That was a great conversation, and I agree, needs follow ups. Anyway, I've subbed. Thank you to both.
Thanks, Sonia. Ongoing conversation is very important but I do think we all tend to assume that we will have the luxury of time to talk until the cows come home! This is my testimony before God: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
@@NicholasPaulFranks I do understand about time, there is never enough for everything we want to do. In any case, I look forward to further podcasts, whenever they come. Thanks for this present time.
Baffled that someone can move from an apostate church to a false religion. The world is truly lost.
Indeed! But hope this will provide some comfort: ua-cam.com/video/RYyz2rp1gmk/v-deo.html
Satan from the beginning knows because God told him, that Mary will crush his head.
What’s your point in connection with the video?
Here's the deal. In the Davidic kingdom the queen was the mother of the king. Can you dig it? Mary IS the queen mother and given by Christ from the cross to the disciples. He had nothing more left to give, and since she was a widow and had no other children she needed John to take care of her. And much more.
Deception.
@@NicholasPaulFranks Wow. I am surprised at your manner of reply. 1 Kings 2:19 is where Mr McCarthy draws his point from - "And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand." KJB
@@TyroneBeiron You might also be surprised at the manner of reply of J C Ryle who also stood in breach when it came to the eternally significant deception of Catholicism - the problem today is that we are all too polite, betraying the very significance of what we disagree about:
“I really cared nothing for anyone’s opinion, and resolved not to consider one jot who was offended and who was not offended by anything I did. I saw no one whose opinion I cared for in the place, and I resolved to ask nobody’s counsel, in the work of my parish, or as to the matter or manner of my preaching, but just to do what I thought the Lord Jesus Christ would like, and not to care one jot for the face of man.”
- J C Ryle
“We want more boldness among the friends of truth. There is far too much tendency to sit still and wait for committees…We want more men who are not afraid to stand alone. It is truth, not numbers, which shall always in the end prevail. We have the truth, and we need not be ashamed to say so. The judgment day will prove who is right, and to that day we boldly appeal.”
- J C Ryle
@@NicholasPaulFranks Sure. Point taken. I simply meant how 'succinct' you were. 😂🍷🍷
@@TyroneBeiron Fair enough! This video has attracted an overwhelming amount of Catholic polemic (due to Gavin’s profile) but none of which has been even remotely convincing. Hence the brevity! FYI: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
They are blinded by satan. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.🙏
Anyone claiming that Jesus is somehow insufficient to banish Satan is the literal personification of biblical illiteracy and its consequent deception.
Considering how seriously the host takes his faith, I would be curious as to how much significance/weight he attaches to the Incarnation.
Not quite sure what you’re angling at?
@@NicholasPaulFranks greetings - angling at the heart of the matter, really. In a world *de*-incarnating before our eyes, where is the protestant response? Apologies for a bit of presumption, but based on the discussion I take it that you are in some way affiliated with perhaps an evangelical form of protestantism?
@@BrotherJohannes Greetings. In short, I agree with you re the absence of meaningful/faithful evangelicalism in a darkening world. But I disagree that Catholicism is the answer. I think this is why Gavin initially wanted to discuss things in this video with me. The “lesser of two evils” is not the approach for a world slip-streaming to hell. If you Google Body Zero and my name, my 2019 book will come up. (If you are wanting to invest any time in knowing what I would stake my life on being true).
@@NicholasPaulFranks thanks for your reply, yes I did check the site but didn't see anything offhand in terms of an explicit confession so inferred at least something evangelical. But to the question of the Incarnation - would you not hold that a deep and profound appreciation of this is indispensable to the faith?
@@BrotherJohannes I’m sorry, John; I’m still not quite following why you’re asking this and why it wouldn’t go without saying. You can’t possibly have thought from this discussion with Gavin that I am some kind of progressive/liberal heretic?!
Only just come across this. Thanks to Gavin for his explanation as to why he joined the Roman Catholic church. Gavin was in the vanguard of with those appalled by the direction the church of England is going, standing alongside those holding the line for the truth going back to the feminist movement and the ordination of women.
It seems that Gavin has fallen into a snare of the enemy. Being tormented and finding relief in the presence of Mary when he prays the rosary, he thinks that the answer is in the rosary but it’s a trap. The smell of roses is obviously from his new rosewood beads. He then needs justify the Mary bit by embracing Marian apparitions.
Curiously, of all the Marian apparitions, the one Gavin very unrigorously cites is that of Garabandal in 1961. There were 4 girls (not 3 as indicated by Gavin) who claimed first a visitation from the Archangel Michael (not Gabriel as indicated by Gavin) and then subsequent multiple apparitions of the archangel and of Mary. Nowhere have I seen that the angel taught the girls to pray the rosary. Despite the whole village and busloads of visitors turning out to watch the girls in their ecstasy nobody else claimed to see the apparitions except a young, scholarly, Jesuit priest who went up to visit Garabandal and died the same day. (Not something to mess with lightly). What’s the point? Neither clerics, nor police nor secular investigators could affirm the authenticity of the occurrences. Gavin says that it was the message Mary gave the children that convinced him but the message was the very reason the church rejected it because there was nothing in it out of the ordinary that you wouldn’t hear any Sunday in church. The bishop forbad the children to enter the church because the church was getting damaged by the huge number of people pushing and shoving to see if Mary would appear when the girls went in.
If we can’t verify an apparition dated 1961 how can he expect us to believe one dated 320 AD? Come Gavin.
There is a huge difference between Garabandel and the transfiguration of Jesus - everyone present saw Moses and Elijah talking with Jesus.
A website authored by Adela Borrás Ripol about the main Marian apparitions in Spain says “The main objective (of this website) is to offer the reader new experiences concerning the Marian apparitions and thus help increase the potential for tourism in these areas.”
Not only are some of the key points re Garabandal incorrect but still Gavin is asking us to swallow hard and accept his experiences with his Rosary beads and the Marian apparitions whilst at the same time, slipping in sideways, the Immaculate conception of Mary, Mary mother of God, Mary Queen of Heaven, Mary’s perpetual virginity, Mary’s perpetual sinless state, Mary’s assumption into heaven, and probably, in the not too distant future, Mary the co-redeemer.
Surely the “magisterium” belongs to the Catholic (universal) Church which any born again bible believing Christian is part of and is not the exclusive property of the Roman Catholic Church. The magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church would be better termed “dark history”. In the UK the Roman Catholic Church is a very tame beast but ask any evangelical Cristian in Spain about the persecution and martyrdom of evangelical Christians by the Roman Catholic Church including the first translator of the bible into Spanish, Casiodoro de Reina.
Is Gavin really better off in the Roman Catholic church rather than fighting for the life of the church in the evangelical corner alongside the many other faithfuls from within the Church of England?
In short, no he is not. I've written about this here: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/ - thank you for your comment.
Am I mistaken? An apparition ISN’T the same as a ‘vision’. The two terms are not interchangeable.
A vision can be individualistic and in the mind whereas an apparition is something which affects reality, maybe for more than one person.
The two terms are not interchangeable and this factor is considered by the church when weighing up the validity of such stories…. Are we dealing with visions of the Virgin Mary or Appartions? There is a difference.
You’re probably right but I’m not sure that’s the main point here. FYI: podcast.firebrandnotes.com/900157/9179391
@@NicholasPaulFranks the criteria for proof is different for both. Therefore it would probably be better and more objective to define what is actually claimed. Are you trying to prove (or disprove) a vision or an apparition?
I would consider the transfiguration to be an apparition of both Moses and Elijah. In that they were present with Jesus.
So Marian Apparitions would need a higher burden of proof than a Marian vision. In that regard I think the terms are important to your conversation.
The two terms were used by you both as if they meant the same thing which they don’t. I think your objections deserve to be answered as robustly as possible.
I am a convert to Catholicism myself and am now beginning to value the communion of the saints, something that as a Protestant, I only had a very limited experience of.
Great channel BTW! Paul
@@wordonwatches Many thanks, Paul. I’m certainly not disagreeing regarding the importance of language and clarifying potential ambiguity. But I don’t believe that this is a defining issue in the broader context of the conversation here as I trust was very clear through the rest of the conversation: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
@@NicholasPaulFranks wishing you all the best and thanks for your replies.
@@wordonwatches Likewise, Paul! And to you also. Maranatha
Be OK but bowing down to Mary statue and saying hail Mary isn't right and the pope well say no more
🙏
Garabandal has not been approved by the Catholic Church.
Thanks, Marg. Indeed, Gavin mentions this in the article in question. It’s the overall doctrine of ‘Marian this that or the other’ that we’re calling out.
The Catholic Church is the original true church. There is a massive awakening coming of evangelicals realizing this fact.
I don’t think so: firebrandnotes.com/2021/10/15/english-catholic-conversions/
Amen and Amen. Fiat!
Amen to what?!
I think Dr Gavin was cut off a little unceremoniously - probably through lack of time....
He really needs to come back to talk, as asked, about the Marian apparitions and the eucharistic miracles...
One can see why he has been attacked - he is saying things, as an excellent Catholic, no - one else dare...
Carmel, everybody else here has appreciated the length of time and care that was given to this conversation, including Gavin. 80 minutes is plenty for what we discussed; we need less "ceremony" and more truth.
@@NicholasPaulFranks No no - excellent discussion and thanks...
Attacks referred to Gavin's battle with the demons...
The question over Garabandal was not really settled in this discussion. First of all, nothing in the apparitions contradicted church teaching - but the reason why it is "in hiatus" or not recognised is because one of the visionaries later declared she had not seen anything. She created a unique problem for the Church in this way, because the girls had been filmed during the apparition itself. And they had been seen acting in tandem, ie, crossing themselves, (with the sign of the Cross) all at the exact same time, ie simultaneously, but without looking at each other. Of course it is not necessary to believe in or accept private revelations, but it is interesting that they occur at times of crisis, not only for the Church, but the world. Fatima in Portugal at the outbreak of WW1, HEEDE in Germany, WW2. In 1963 Garabandal, at the time of Vatican 2.
Thanks for watching.
Firstly, we weren’t aiming to prove or disprove the Garabandal stories; it was mentioned in passing in a much a longer/broader conversation.
Secondly, once again, whether in a time of historical significance or not, the issue is not whether something happens or not but, rather, what was its source? Verifying spiritual origin doesn’t necessarily equate to God.
Finally, with respect, there is much about Catholic teaching that we can not even begin to reconcile with the Bible and the explicit teachings of Yeshua podcast.firebrandnotes.com/900157/9179391-satan-the-name-of-jesus-feat-nick-franks
Bonhoefer was 40 when he died
Was another age cited?
Traditionally, Matthew 27 v.50-54 was applied to the phenomenon of apparitions, such as that experienced by St. Gregory described by Gavin.
Interesting scripture, Parmandur! Thanks. Clearly our cross-purposes in this conversation relate more widely to how tradition has rather morphed (from and in to) doctrine and theology that is at least very questionable. We’ll do some content on this soon but, for now, this follow-up podcast (20 mins) is important: www.buzzsprout.com/900157/episodes (just click “Listen Now” and you’ll be taken to the episode) 🙏
P.s. just happened to read this passage in Matthew 27. What struck me (in reading it in a disconnected way from this vlog conversation) is that these saints were literal resurrections at the moments of Jesus’ death, not merely ghostly apparitions that I think you’re suggesting give credence to what Catholics maintain as wider doctrine. I don’t see anything in Scripture that warrants the belief in praying to saints etc. For me, and the likes of J C Ryle, this is dangerous.
@@NicholasPaulFranks that's, like, just your opinion, man.
I'll stick with the Patristic reading, which lines up with lived Christian experience.
@@Parmandur I’ll stick with the Bible which trumps any experience (from whatever origin) 👍
@@NicholasPaulFranks you mean you are going with your personal interpretation of the Bible. Which as you may recall is just, like, your opinion, man.
As to the min 39 on video regarding the charismatic authority. I myself experienced often a spiritual leap in that. And then I learned to ask Jesus to intervene and the evil went away. I understood that what we perceive as our-always working authority in the name of Jesus, is sometimes absolutely failing us and this is not because Jesus does not have all power, but because we are still lacking spiritual skills to use it. On the other hand when you turn to f.ex Mary, for my understanding, she has all the authority a believer can have, because she was a special person with a very special mission for the world and never failed God in fullfilling that.
If you were able to support your comment with Scripture then you would be correct. The Bible says the exact opposite about Jesus, hence Catholicism being a false religion.
Please watch/share this film: ua-cam.com/video/d-ozzKsqYnE/v-deo.html
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam!
Latin mottos more important than one of Paul’s two Aramaic words brought into the NT? 😔 Maranatha amien
Hi Nicholas, sorry for my late reply. I was educated by the Jesuits. St. Ignatius of Loyola coined the motto ‘A.M.D.G.’ The ancient Jesuits did everything to promote God’s glory, to accomplish His will on earth as it in heaven. I admire Gavin Ashenden immensely. A true holy man.
@@paoloosmena1324 I very much like Gavin too 🙏
@@NicholasPaulFranks I know that you admire Gavin too, having watched your interview with him.
God bless you, good man!
@@paoloosmena1324 maranatha, Paolo
I don’t recognise denominations.
Sadly -- and tragically -- the Church do
Not the true church.@@NicholasPaulFranks
The "Poem of the Man God" has been condemned by the Church as Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN has stated: Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, present head of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly the same office that condemned the "Poem"), informed Cardinal Siri in 1985 of the "Poem's condemnation:
After the dissolution of the Index, when some people thought the printing and distribution of the work was permitted, they were reminded again in L'Osservatore Romano (June 15, 1966) that "The Index retains its moral force despite its dissolution."
No idea wha you're meaning
Sorry, Nicholas. I don't think that you were really listening.
Sorry, Anda. I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about.
@@NicholasPaulFranks I apologize for offending you. I do not know you and therefore could not know how much you were hearing in the bigger sense of the word. However, my thought is in line with what your guest said about your own facial expression when he posited his first major conclusion, all the while stressing his own deep surprise about his conclusion for the necessity of conversion. I am not sure if he characterized the look on your face as the look of "disgust" or "disdain", but that that also did not surprise him, since he certainly felt that way at first as well. Perhaps you would have preferred my saying that "it looked to me as though" the deeper your guest tried to clarify his position in chunks so that listeners would be able to follow, the more you were "listening" to individual points and actually mentally refuting what he said point by point as he spoke, but therefore not hearing the position as a whole built up by layers of points. If still believe that, as you expressed, I "don't have a clue what I am talking about", I apologize again and am sorry for you that I listened, watched and wanted to comment.
@@anda1anda2 if you’d wanted to have engaged respectfully you’d have taken a little more care rather than the curt sentence you opted for. My response to Gavin’s claim that demonic power wasn’t submitting to Jesus Christ (but was to some rosary beads) is worthy of much more rebuke than a surprised facial.
@@NicholasPaulFranks Again. I apologize
@@anda1anda2 as do I for not responding graciously.
"Marian apparitions"? This says it all: ua-cam.com/video/Jk6gQhKa9YQ/v-deo.html
Christian's that have a different faith lens other than Catholic/Orthodox will NEVER understand Mother Mary's role in Jesus Davidic Kingdom.
Mary is the new Eve.
Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant
Mary is the Queen Mother of his Kingdom
Unless you are willing to go back to learn with an open heart from the early Church you will never see it.
Ave Maria...
Ah! That old devilish chestnut that attempts to apply biblical truth (justification by the gift of faith ) to non-biblical doctrine, all the while feigning, “it is written!”. But it simply isn’t! (And you can’t show me where it is!). Thus, the LORD rebuke you.
Why are you surprised?. Did Jesus not tell his disciples that some demons come out only by prayer and fasting?😘🙏
Are you referring to Gavin?
During the rosary the name of Jesus is involved many times. So in truth, there would be the evocation of Jesus’s name.
But the inference in this conversation/testimony was clearly that the rosary actually trumped the Name of Jesus ⚔️
@@NicholasPaulFranks I would disagree with the very entry or framing of the concept here. The Rosary is litany of love with Jesus at the middle. Yes, it recites angelic salutation to Mary in the Hail Mary, but Jesus is clearly marked the ends of this in the very prayer itself. It suffices to read the prayers of the modern rosary to see it. The idea that the rosary would supplant Jesus is by its very definition contradictory. Also, when a catholic priest exorcists do their work, they do it in Christ’s name. Please see an exorcism for proof of this.
@@aloyalcatholic5785 Thanks for this but, regardless of the many other aspects that could be discussed here in what you’re saying, I’m quoting Gavin directly when he says that, by experience, the Name of Jesus was insufficient to rebuke his demonic visitation cf. the Rosary that gave him breakthrough. This is clearly not even close to being biblical.
How in earth do you get to "pray the rosary or enjoy the devil " ? Certainly not from the bible. Gavin is a fantastic bloke, but that story is not going to wash with me.
Ditto. Extremely frustrating and all the more because he’s such a lovely bloke.
Gavin needs to get back to Scripture and Scripture, alone.
'My christianity is the Doctrine of Christ and The Commandments of God', PERIOD!
Indeed. And the only route back to that which should never have been left is repentance in the face of gross spiritual adultery.
Amen, Nicholas@@NicholasPaulFranks
The New Testament was compiled by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, therefore we believe in it only in so far as the Mystical Body of Christ (Holy Mother Church) tells us to believe it. Indeed Christ left us a Church, not a manuscript which we are free to personally interpret and create 20.000 different sects contradicting each other.
The Catholic Church is not a man-made religion, but it's both a human and supernatural institution with a divine head: Christ, a God-given authority granted upon her. This is why some demons can only be driven put by Apostolic successors.
And upon this Church built upon Peter the rock, Christ pledged us that the gates of hell shall never prevail against it. Indeed the 2000 years history of the Church of Jesus Christ are absolutely miraculous. Despite the endless persecutions, the pervasive internal corruption and heretics of all sorts trying to destroy it from within, she has always triumphed over everything keeping the treasure of the Deposit of Faith, the Sacramental validity, and her hierarchy uncontaminated. When most bishops were arian, the Apostolic Faith kept by few saintly bishops miraculously triumphed over those heretics. When the protestant revolution started destroying Christendom, the glorious Council of Trent and a golden age of saints restored everything in Christ, away from the humanist papacies of the renaissance.
I totally agree to Gavin's view on Reformation. From God perspective it was meant as a cleansing for the Church, but in the both involved sides actually failed. The Church wanted to almost kill Luther for his ideas, and Luther had problems with other issues which antisemitism was one of them, and got lost in events that happened after he's got revelation given by the Holy Spirit about Grace and his confrontation with the Church's authorities. However, Luther never did want to leave the Church and to build another one, these were his followers who went so far. And because God will not bless rebellion of any kind, I have feeling and observation ( I spent many years as reformed Evangelical) that ever since the Evangelicals better or worse but are all drifting in a small boats over the ocean and very often get crashed against something, whereas the original Church in both wings Eastern and Western ( Catholic & Orthodox)are like big ships heading forward, despite many problems. What is born of God will go with God, no matter what.
I think you’ll find that Luther (despite his faults) wanted absolutely nothing to do with Rome and that the reformation, rather than for “wanting a new Church”, was actually about excavating the only true Church/theology that had been buried by all the kinds of funk that you’re contending for! Hence the ongoing need of the Five Solas.
P.s. if you read the dog’s dinner of things in 1 Corinthians 11 you will see that God absolutely DOES require and call for division/rebellion. Verse 19 of that chapter says it all. We are only in right standing with God by the blood of the Lamb.
I can see your faces!
Don’t quite understand?!
Christ sent the Comforter, The Holy Spirit to be present and indwell the belivers. That very present Holy Spirit will teach every true believer all that is necessary for eternal salvation. That present Holy Spirit is the one and only true agent of God. All people who set themselves up as The Gate are but liars and thieves. But remember the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are the Godhead singularly and collectively.
Can you try and more specifically apply your comment more to the video?
exactly! Most if not all apparitions of Mary lead the audience to Jesus and call for repentence. I constatated this when I had myself for years all possible prejudices toward these visions
Again, show from the Bible where “Marian apparitions” are part of the process of repentance. Utter nonsense.
Mary was given to us by our Lord on the cross. "Women, behold your son" and to John, "Behold they Mother"
Our Beloved Savior performed his first miracle even before his time had come when the blessed Virgin asked him to help the wedding party, what did Mary say to the servants " Do whatever he tells you". Mary always points to Jesus ❤
@@craigetling9591 deception
Jesus in his divinity lives in the eternal mode so when he prayed to The Father that the Church may be one, he must have seen that the separation will occur, and that the separation will happen in the permissive Will of The Father, for a greater purpose. Jesus' prayer will be answered and The Church will be one.
It is no surprise to me that whenever extra biblical doctrine is embraced, (as with Catholicism) there is more than a little muddying of the waters so that even UA-cam comments are unclear.
I Think the Devil has duped Gavin into bowing at the feet of Mary rather than Standing at the foot of the cross.His attack was a double bluff .good cop bad cop .routine , Just as he did with Walter Veigh except Walter didn't fall for it . HE should take a look at walters personal testamony he would find it very interesting .When I get confused I always go back to the cross and say dose this take anything away from the work of the cross .god only wishes his son to be glorified .no one else . o i do like Gavin ..
Indeed and amen!
If you are with Mary you are indeed standing at the foot of the Cross. Mary and Jesus are inseparable.🙏
@@antoutabbal2948 this is extraneous spiritual thought. Mark is correct - idolising Mary is demonic deception.
Catholic conversion for you and yours immediately+++
The hubris, the ignorance, the deception, the villainy: **Acts 13:10** “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?
Yes, I despair of the ‘pick’n mix’ modern theology of the Anglican Church !
..... but, I would not even consider becoming a Roman Catholic since Vatican II and especially under Bergoglio and his Pachamama heresy ! I would support Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Alexander Tschugguel. Read ‘Infiltration’ by Taylor Marshall.
Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners, not to promote a secular globalist agenda. The RCC has betrayed its Magisterium, its Divine Certainties and the teachings of the Saints, Doctors of the Church and the Church Fathers.
Christus Vincit ! Christus Imperat ! Christus Regnat !
It’s all so distracting from Jesus. We should all know how He dealt with that…
Oh dear, what a fumbling start. Do your planning before you go on air.
Stephen, you are a common example of someone who doesn’t extend basic courtesy, probably has no UA-cam content of your own, voyeuristically trolls others to begin pointless arguments and yet…still wants to posture with intellectual superiority. 🤯
IN ANSWER..... SCRIPTURE IS NOT ENOUGH, THAT'S WHY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS GIVEN BY GOD THE MAGISTERIUM....
IF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH JUST HAD SCRIPTURE, THEN THE CHURCH WOULD BE PROTESTANT AND NOT THE ONE HOLY CATHOLIC UNIVERSAL CHURCH.
Thank you for summarising so well why Catholicism is demonically deceptive: "Scripture is not enough..."
What a man, what a mind, what a talent and pastoral heart that is theologically sound, to lose for the Church of England, but not for the Church in England. Maybe the Church of England should simply lose England and come back to the one real Church, and than the churchmen of the former Church of England could really start again by serving the Church in England like Dr. Ashenden, or John Henry Newman did? I am really sorry, but do you honestly need more than one John Henry Newman to get things a bit right? Can national pride be that inmense.....? There is natural life for an addict once he's given up what hooked him up, so there issupernatural in abundance life for the Church in England once it loses England in its name, because that what it's hooked on, the pride that speaks out of the exclusive name, even if thereafter it also accepted to be known as the Anglican communion, or what have you...
Watch this and weep:
ua-cam.com/video/RYyz2rp1gmk/v-deo.html
Roman Catholicism brought the Bible to England.
nope. unless tyndale was a catholic
@@NicholasPaulFranks the church in England had the bible several centuries before Tyndale. I think you mean Tyndale was the first to translate it into the English language.
@@chrismole1315 Of course, but the Bible wasn’t available to every plowboy in England (or any non-Latin speakers) until then at all, was it?
@@NicholasPaulFranks even by Tyndale's time, most people in England were still illiterate, or semi literate at best. They couldn't read a Bible, nor afford to buy one. Only a small educated elite were literate, and they could read Latin, which was the universal language of Europe. It has only been the last 200 years or so that the average person in England has been literate enough to read a Bible.
@chrismole1315 The average English protestant is clueless - with respect. They have zero knowledge about the sect which they claim to believe in. Protestantism.in its conception was a land/wealth grab. More crucially, it has led billions of people away from the One True Apostolic Church into the spiritual eternal abyss.
Catholic monarch, or bust.
Bust
Yes we know why you are converted. It could be the lack of your understanding of The Holy Bible. Or from the start you were acting Christian. If you are really a believer in Jesus Christ you do not say you converted from names that people created. Show me in the Bible those names, Catholic, protestant, Baptist and so on, all those names were created by people. In the Bible there is a sinner and a believer ( a converter who confece that he was a sinner who did not believe and now he believes in Jess Christ as his redeemer and his saviour). The Lord Jesus Christ said my sheep hear my vice and I know them,and they follow me ...John 10 : 27- 28 He did not say and will not say in the judgment day, are you a Catholic or are you a Protestant or are you of Church of England and so on...
Hope you ask in prayer that the Lord Jesus Christ will reveal by the Holy Spirit the basic of Christianity to you to understand why you are called a Christian.
Amen to that Bessie!! I hope you might be able to read my new book coming out next week that I think you’ll appreciate. This, along with Body Zero (2019) will be here: www.bodyzerobook.com/
A Christian is a follower of Christ: Jesus says in the Bible " come follow me": this means ... come live the same way as l lived in obedience to the will of my Father in Heaven. Jesus set Himself as an example to follow his way, which is the way of His Father: Truth:
Now along came different men in the history of the world and changed the way of Jesus to live the way that those men wanted... they became Protestant, Jehovahs, Mormons, Islam etc... they changed God's teaching to their own teaching.
These are all different denominations created by men. They haven't got the Truth:
@@fritula6200 This is absolute nonsense but perfectly in keeping with extra-biblical Catholic mysticism. How on Earth are you claiming that Catholics brought the Bible to England?