They might just feel alone and want some attention. But injecting themselves with dangerous chemicals/liquids. Still, if people do this just for attention, it would go just too far. Edit: Plus, it doesn't have to be muscles, they could do anything easier AND safer yet injecting themselves with synthol, there's no point. Idiots.
I do to. They are just human. When I was 18 I started getting tattoos because in my head ( and most men would NEVER admit this) that would make me look tough and badass and NO ONE WOULD EVER FUCK WITH ME because I'd be tatted, lol, the way people think when were young, I can look back and have a good laugh at myself, I cant take it back, but I can smile. Were all just human and we ALL DO CRINGE SHIT FROM TIME TO TIME, your a bigger person if you can admit and face your faults. Peace.
literally every single bodybuilder that competes is on ped's. i guess synthol is "not real", but steroids arent even considered cheating at this point. every one of them does it, arnold did it, ronnie coleman did it, all and i mean ALL of them
@@74kross ofcourse. enhanced or not, its still the real deal. i dont mind at all, thats not the problem. just pointing out that a bodybuilder on the highest stage that didnt use anything doesnt exist.
I built up some serious muscles working 12-years volunteering at a church food bank. I was the only person there young enough and strong enough to work with all the heavy boxes laden with food, opening them, stacking them, and getting them ready for the homeless. Backbreaking work but very satisfying.
I want to see a muscle popping out from someone while lifting To me its cool and not gross plus when im seeing blood it gets me excited know its weird 😑
I learned from my trainer that having giant muscles doesnt necessarily mean your strong it's mostly for aesthetic purposes, my trainer told me that he used to know some guys that were really ripped and they were weak as hell working out for strength is structured differently then for getting toned like a body builder.
One thing to note about weights: just because a weight is the size of a 45lb plate does not mean it is 45lbs. There are some 10lb and even 15-25lb plates that look like a 45lb plate. Those weights may be fake, but they also might not be and just be something less than 45lb plates.
I love the last one the most. I genuinely can't believe that he was stupid enough to try MMA and the slap contest with muscles that he knew, or at least should have known, were not only fake. but also slowing him down. Hopefully the 2 experiences slapped some sense into him.
its kinda sad because a lot of them actually had good bodies before injecting the stuff. Also something to keep in mind is that Brian Shaw, 4x Worlds Strongest Man, has biceps that measure in at about 26 in.
I laughed way harder than I should have at the pic of croissant guy with those chicken legs! 😂😂 Seriously though, why do people intentionally do that to themselves?!
Probably Body Dysmorphic Disorder or something along the lines of that. People like the ones in this video are suffering from a mental illness that can get pretty serious if they don’t receive proper help for it. They are people with this illness who have ended up having limbs amputated and the like because they didn’t receive proper help.
What amazed me was actually how many brazilians was shown on this vid. They are kinda well known here as the "do not" examples haha just like the brazilian Ken And, that guy on the grave is Ricardo Milos hahah
Greg Valentino used synthol. He didn't just use test and eq. And most female bodybuilders use steroids when not in the fitness category. Even the ones you said she competed against use them.
@@clanceeinfinity5399 you missed the point. Let me help you out, se everyone knows he's not natural. Everyone also knew that King Ronnie had the natural strength and genetics and unlike this guy he lifted Heav Ass Weights. There's a difference
With the guy who gained muscle mass and lifted less. When I was in high school, I was max squatting 560lbs. 5 foot 8 and 170 lbs. I didn't look nearly that strong. There were only two guys that out squatted me and they were both over 250 lbs. My max bench wasn't super impressive, but it was 275 lbs. Which was still above average for most guys I was competing against. Muscle mass isn't what people think. On my wrestling team, I had the fastest time for 1, 3 and 6 mile runs (I'd drop down to 132 weigh class during wrestling season). On my football team, I would come in second or third for gassers. Ranking in the top three for legs on my football team for lifting weight and top 10 for arms. I didn't look it. You can work out for results or you can work out for looks. Most work out for looks, but that doesn't equate actual strength and endurance.
While I do absolutely consider this to be just like getting liposuction (results with no effort) this goes far deeper into mental health issues. Body dysmorphia seems to be one for sure. :( also, these crazy drugs they're injecting are addictive so then there's substance abuse on top of it. It makes me sad to see this the same way it makes me sad to see someone who's anorexic or bulimic or just obsessed with superficiality. And I know that has a negative connotation to it but that's exactly what it is. Instead of working from the inside out they're doing it backwards. Changing your outsides (in the instant gratification type of way) is not going to help with what's going on inside. I've had my struggles with substance abuse and I know the obsessive addictive factor all too well, it's hard to stop even when it's dangerous. I at least hope they find a way out.
As a student nurse yrs ago there was a pt who had been injecting stuff when he was a bodybuilder telling me that he knew the damage he was doing to his body but needed the money 'I had no choice' he said with tears streaming down his face.
You almost never want to secure the weights to the bar. If something goes wrong you’ll be able to get them off easily so you don’t get killed. And if you’re unable to hold the bar steady enough to prevent the weights from sliding off, then the weight is too heavy for you.
As a Brazilian, I'm not surprised with the amount of Brazilians on this list. Ive known some people growing up that passed away with the abuse of anabolizantes
3:47 bigger does not mean stronger, a lot of powerlifters and strongmen are much smaller than bodybuilders, it’s possible that he has switched from a strength based plan to a body building based routine
I just wish everyone would learn to love and accept their bodies. We're all worthy of love and appreciation no matter what we look like. Going to these extremes seems unhealthy. Addictions are not good and that guy who's arm blew out looked so painful.
Nothing wrong with working hard in healthy ways to change your body whether you're trying to gain muscle or lose fat. It's when you sacrifice health to achieve your results that it becomes a problem. There can be just as many health consequences with the "beautiful at any size" BS as there can be with using harmful substances to lose fat or gain muscle. Being healthy is what should be pushed. Being obese can be just as bad for you as using steroids to gain muscle or stimulants to lose weight
Oil muscles aren't even fictional, they are just for the looks If he took steroids (a tiny and controlled amount) at least he would have working muscles that aren't just for show
The fakes are even more hilarious than the real bodybuilder champions that went too far through the likes of steroids, especially the one with the huge balloons on his chest.😂
I hope they all get the help they need and are able to overcome their struggles to feel comfortable and happy in their bodies as they are naturally. It must be awful to feel uncomfortable in your own skin/body. 💚
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5:15 that guy is enjoying himself
what are you doing step bro?
@@somerandomdude3105 step bro sus
Yeahhhhh
What the heck he trying to do
@@gerry5979 It's not that gross, it's actually a thing in the gym.
To be clear, Popeye ( in the cartoons ) had massive and strong forearms, not biceps. Coming from pulling ropes on ships
No, not ropes. Spinach!
@@blockbxrgrxses6873 the only shit that spinach does is making you feel bland.
@@blockbxrgrxses6873yeah it was spinach , I reckon he may have been using steroids in the back ground though. Also we never what else was in that pipe
@@nez9751 trueee
I prefer big forearms to biceps personally
I feel sorry for the guys injecting oils in their body.
They might just feel alone and want some attention. But injecting themselves with dangerous chemicals/liquids. Still, if people do this just for attention, it would go just too far.
Edit: Plus, it doesn't have to be muscles, they could do anything easier AND safer yet injecting themselves with synthol, there's no point.
Idiots.
Lol
I do to. They are just human. When I was 18 I started getting tattoos because in my head ( and most men would NEVER admit this) that would make me look tough and badass and NO ONE WOULD EVER FUCK WITH ME because I'd be tatted, lol, the way people think when were young, I can look back and have a good laugh at myself, I cant take it back, but I can smile. Were all just human and we ALL DO CRINGE SHIT FROM TIME TO TIME, your a bigger person if you can admit and face your faults. Peace.
Me too in a compassionate way for their stupidity, mistakes, and insecurities/issues
hello ryback
They are like that one Spongebob episode where he fakes having big muscles.
That balloon muscles lol 😂
Anchor Arms 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You mean when he drinks lots of water and gets huge which makes no sense since he is underwater XD
@@Casualiity No.
Watch this SpongeBob clip.
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Hey, it's you! How'd you survive a mind-blowing death like that, Mr. President?
Calling them "bodybuilders" is a disgrace to all the people who did it without using anything
literally every single bodybuilder that competes is on ped's. i guess synthol is "not real", but steroids arent even considered cheating at this point. every one of them does it, arnold did it, ronnie coleman did it, all and i mean ALL of them
These aren't examples of bodybuilders, they're examples of mental illness.
@@longdongmc.johnson but its real muscle not oil
@@74kross ofcourse. enhanced or not, its still the real deal. i dont mind at all, thats not the problem. just pointing out that a bodybuilder on the highest stage that didnt use anything doesnt exist.
Holy cow, he actually used Spongebob’s “Anchor Arms”! 😂
haha
Best comment hahahah
one of my fav episodes lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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2:04 why does Tony geraldo look like Obama who wanted to be the hulk
Lmao thought the exact same thing
Lmao
Came down to the comments section for this
Yes
@@toxictrax9977 same
9:44 Valdir segato sadly passed away at the age of 55
"You can't spell incredible without credible" OOF
Cool I like this comment
You cant spell "your not a good person" without "your a good person"
@@kyroblaze351 shhhhhhhh
Repent, God is coming! Trust in Jesus so you can be saved! He gave His life on the cross for you and He loves you!
understandable
Its easy to get these muscles
Work at a hardware store
Not only do you lift heavy objects all day, you also get paid for it, win-win
Lol good thinking.
I built up some serious muscles working 12-years volunteering at a church food bank. I was the only person there young enough and strong enough to work with all the heavy boxes laden with food, opening them, stacking them, and getting them ready for the homeless.
Backbreaking work but very satisfying.
I worked at Lowe's for a few years. I was a stocker. I gained 45 pounds.
Ur at 69 likes so I won’t ruin it
@@yeetdeleteandnevereatfeet180 u can like again lol
Watching the last faker get slapped silly by a dude with a beer belly was comedy gold.
They look like they could pop 😂
One of the hulk brothers look like Obama.
@@_JustAnotherKid__ fr
I want to see a muscle popping out from someone while lifting
To me its cool and not gross plus when im seeing blood it gets me excited know its weird 😑
I know dude 0-0
Like spongebob in that one episode
I can feel the pain in my arms while watching this
Ouch..
frrrrr
arm breaks
Saddest thing is they looked good even before they injected
Just wanna take the time to say thank you for using cm and inches 👏🏽
Metric yes that is me
Sorry, we don’t use inches here.
@@canadaball1012 Even better!
100th like pog
@@canadaball1012 that's okay, nobody is perfect.
I learned from my trainer that having giant muscles doesnt necessarily mean your strong it's mostly for aesthetic purposes, my trainer told me that he used to know some guys that were really ripped and they were weak as hell working out for strength is structured differently then for getting toned like a body builder.
You sound jealous lol
@@tilabryant5591 he is right just because you have muscles doesn't mean you know how to throw a punch correctly
@@kitty-danger Who talks about punching wtf. He talks about strength.
I just did weights that huge guys where curling 130 6x.
And i dont look strong at all.
We where both surprised. 😂
That's why i descided to pursue calithtenics instead.
One thing to note about weights: just because a weight is the size of a 45lb plate does not mean it is 45lbs. There are some 10lb and even 15-25lb plates that look like a 45lb plate. Those weights may be fake, but they also might not be and just be something less than 45lb plates.
"All gain and no pain"
Looks like all pain and no gain XD
Not true! They gain very much low self-esteem.
@@u6uggg6hguiuggy Good point
they also gain rock arms
@@Magical_LizardWizard wrong gain xD
@@Magical_LizardWizard 🤣🤣🤣🤣
2:06 the guy on the left looks like a stronger version of Obama
I put this before I saw yours lmao
I said the same lmaoi
Lol I didn't
Yeah but fake skepy
Yeaaaaa I was saying that
I love the last one the most. I genuinely can't believe that he was stupid enough to try MMA and the slap contest with muscles that he knew, or at least should have known, were not only fake. but also slowing him down. Hopefully the 2 experiences slapped some sense into him.
These guys got more vegetable oil in their biceps then my mother has in the kitchen
😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Their legs are skinnier than the chicken feet my mother uses for soup
me, a 13 year old boy has more leg muscle mass than some of those dudes
@@Magical_LizardWizardcongratulations 😂😂
its kinda sad because a lot of them actually had good bodies before injecting the stuff. Also something to keep in mind is that Brian Shaw, 4x Worlds Strongest Man, has biceps that measure in at about 26 in.
damn
LOL, I needed a good laugh this morning and then I came across this video. Thank you!
My Sharp Pencil: *I'm About To Do What's Called A Pro-Gamer Move*
@@user-gz1ye2jo1q why are you doing this in every comment reply
@@gurpinderwarar4625 because he has no personality whatsoever besides that?
@@gurpinderwarar4625 bot, most likely.
I had a dare to sayyy
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2:01 looks like Obama now has too much free time
LMAO XD yeah ik he just looks like obama
😂🤣🤪
😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's my cousin
lolz
“In Russia body builds you”
Be Amazed 2020
I laughed way harder than I should have at the pic of croissant guy with those chicken legs! 😂😂
Seriously though, why do people intentionally do that to themselves?!
Addiction. People are addicted to looking a certain way which includes these people even if we find it ridiculous.
They play an important role for me; they make me laugh and disgusted at the same time.
Probably Body Dysmorphic Disorder or something along the lines of that. People like the ones in this video are suffering from a mental illness that can get pretty serious if they don’t receive proper help for it.
They are people with this illness who have ended up having limbs amputated and the like because they didn’t receive proper help.
Why? Because they suffer from things like body dysmorphia/dysmorphophobia, addiction, etc.
@Tommy Gunzz Synthol doesn't give you muscle, it takes it away. So its just dumb to do it altogether
Croissant 😂🥐🥐
*Carl Wheezer has entered the chat*
@@iulia5665 indeed
*are you going to finish that croissant*
Always be grateful for what you have 🤗
Ewww
Seriously tho
Lol
Bruh
Everything
Wrong
With
Workouts
Lol what he did
Guys: "I wanna have muscles but I dont want to work for it"
Doctor: "say no more"
The Synthol stuff is typically self injected, and the huge majority of doctors will only tell you that it is a terrible idea.
Video says otherwise smh 🤦♂️
Smh you need work till u be good
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it just oil, you get no strenght
These folks took "my body my choice" to another discusting level lol!
"Weird flex" 😅 👏
no
Good one 😂
Bahaaaa 😂
"But ok"
But ok
“But for him his ideal body shape was a croissant” 🤣
I can't believe some people actually think that kind of fake muscles look good on them
It makes me feel unwell looking at these people.
10:05 That 3rd shot looks like it should be in Playboy.
Ey yo that's gay man
No capp
Lol
LOL
OH DAMNNNN
3:00 this is the most accurate diss lmao GoOTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYMMMM GOTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEM
For the last guy, he essentially fought MMA with two milk jugs strapped to his forearms. I'm sure his speed didn't plummet.
First
@@Condom. second
@@Concise_Parakeet Third.
@@k1dn1ce76 fourth
@@kitty-danger fifth lol
“But for him his ideal body shape was a croissant” 5:30 bruh why you do him like that lmaooooo ahhhahahahaha
Why is this guys voice so soothing
What amazed me was actually how many brazilians was shown on this vid.
They are kinda well known here as the "do not" examples haha just like the brazilian Ken
And, that guy on the grave is Ricardo Milos hahah
BRAZIL!!!
Today I learned that there is a contest where you get to slap the shit out of your opponent. Good to know... 😬
That doesn't sound like fun!!?? That's strange.. hanging head, guess it's back to normal games then...
The Russian guy with the beard by any chance? Too funny.
Yo you seen that on vid this man sent his opponent out the ring with a slap
😂😂👍🏾
Susan Robinson
Same, sounds low-key fun though ngl.
Greg Valentino used synthol.
He didn't just use test and eq.
And most female bodybuilders use steroids when not in the fitness category. Even the ones you said she competed against use them.
" Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder , but nobody want to lift heavy ass weights"~ Ronnie Coleman 8x Mr. Olympia
That's how I got them. Hard , hard work and years of dedication.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder..."
he isnt even natty either.
@@clanceeinfinity5399 you missed the point. Let me help you out, se everyone knows he's not natural. Everyone also knew that King Ronnie had the natural strength and genetics and unlike this guy he lifted Heav Ass Weights. There's a difference
I laughed myself almost to death with this video... 😂😂 Hysterical and ridiculous bodybuilders.😂
You still call them bodybuilders xD?
3:48 It’s actually 11, not 9.
With the guy who gained muscle mass and lifted less.
When I was in high school, I was max squatting 560lbs. 5 foot 8 and 170 lbs. I didn't look nearly that strong. There were only two guys that out squatted me and they were both over 250 lbs. My max bench wasn't super impressive, but it was 275 lbs. Which was still above average for most guys I was competing against.
Muscle mass isn't what people think. On my wrestling team, I had the fastest time for 1, 3 and 6 mile runs (I'd drop down to 132 weigh class during wrestling season). On my football team, I would come in second or third for gassers.
Ranking in the top three for legs on my football team for lifting weight and top 10 for arms. I didn't look it. You can work out for results or you can work out for looks. Most work out for looks, but that doesn't equate actual strength and endurance.
WHO CARES ..YOU WROTE ALL THAT BEDTIME STORY FOR WHAT RIME OR REASON
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My youngest did body building and won his first show (amateur). It takes very powerful dedication and discipline.
While I do absolutely consider this to be just like getting liposuction (results with no effort) this goes far deeper into mental health issues. Body dysmorphia seems to be one for sure. :( also, these crazy drugs they're injecting are addictive so then there's substance abuse on top of it. It makes me sad to see this the same way it makes me sad to see someone who's anorexic or bulimic or just obsessed with superficiality. And I know that has a negative connotation to it but that's exactly what it is. Instead of working from the inside out they're doing it backwards. Changing your outsides (in the instant gratification type of way) is not going to help with what's going on inside. I've had my struggles with substance abuse and I know the obsessive addictive factor all too well, it's hard to stop even when it's dangerous. I at least hope they find a way out.
5:38 Ah shit, here we go again.
lol
Saw that thumbnail and was like “yeah right” two seconds later:😐
2:54 “did they say hulk brothers”
Me: more like BULK brothers lol
As a student nurse yrs ago there was a pt who had been injecting stuff when he was a bodybuilder telling me that he knew the damage he was doing to his body but needed the money 'I had no choice' he said with tears streaming down his face.
What money? Was he an influencer or somethin?
Pretty sure there were better methods to make money.
@@BahamutEx usually there always is, but desperate people can make really dumb decisions
4:49 Does she not realize that she’s supposed to secure the weights onto the bar so they don’t slide off?
That why don't take drugs
The make you dumber
Lol
Olympic weights stay on the bar fairly well as long as the bar stays somewhat horizontal.
You almost never want to secure the weights to the bar. If something goes wrong you’ll be able to get them off easily so you don’t get killed. And if you’re unable to hold the bar steady enough to prevent the weights from sliding off, then the weight is too heavy for you.
I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE ACTUALLY INJECT THESE DANGEROUS SUBSTANCES INTO THEIR SYSTEM, LOL
Ikr? lol
@@burger322 LKR?
Glad this video is out here for educational reasons 😁 thank you
Man: *lifts 500+ pounds and calls easy*
Me: *stuck lifting 65 pounds at max*
I can't understand what they has in their brain to do something so stupid like that.
Oil
2:51 if Obama was a body builder lol 😂
6:17 : your friends face when you give him a loli
Lol
Bruh.🤣🤣
Our meme lord, Ricardo Milos
Brad isn’t faking being a bodybuilder he’s faking weights.
That croissant joke combined with the Ricardo gravestone made it impossible for me not to laugh
As a Brazilian, I'm not surprised with the amount of Brazilians on this list. Ive known some people growing up that passed away with the abuse of anabolizantes
i think the issue is that they make the wrong part of the muscle look big so it looks really bad
Been seeing him in a couple videos before but damnnn, the moment the voice said "The Crossaint." I burst into laughs 😂 That's fresh
3:47 bigger does not mean stronger, a lot of powerlifters and strongmen are much smaller than bodybuilders, it’s possible that he has switched from a strength based plan to a body building based routine
Then body build! Not body morph
I just wish everyone would learn to love and accept their bodies. We're all worthy of love and appreciation no matter what we look like. Going to these extremes seems unhealthy. Addictions are not good and that guy who's arm blew out looked so painful.
Nothing wrong with working hard in healthy ways to change your body whether you're trying to gain muscle or lose fat. It's when you sacrifice health to achieve your results that it becomes a problem. There can be just as many health consequences with the "beautiful at any size" BS as there can be with using harmful substances to lose fat or gain muscle.
Being healthy is what should be pushed. Being obese can be just as bad for you as using steroids to gain muscle or stimulants to lose weight
Sadly, mental illness will always be a thing. It is impossible for everybody to be properly comfortable in their bodies.
Each of us can stand improvement.
10:30 - Valdir’s chest injections make him look like the male version of Dolly Parton 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Except Dolly's are natural.
Boobs
The real man boobs 😂
@@bcaye haha noooo they're not
As a man i feel so ashamed, they might have an exploding fake muscle but they don't have the power.
5:35 you actually made me laugh... i wasn't expecting that lmao
If you think about it, DNA is literally a body builder
Woah
Facts
All things Marine -
Heredity counts most!
Coiled Steel haha
be amazed didnt add bar weight which is 45 lbs so gracyanne barbosa squat was 495 not 450
How do you know
10:35 those look like buts
Oil muscles aren't even fictional, they are just for the looks
If he took steroids (a tiny and controlled amount) at least he would have working muscles that aren't just for show
10:30
Pórnstars be like:
Lol
The fakes are even more hilarious than the real bodybuilder champions that went too far through the likes of steroids, especially the one with the huge balloons on his chest.😂
At least the champions worked hard
HOW DO THESE PEOPLE PUT ON THEIR T SHIRTS?
ITS LIKE PHENEAS FROM PHENEAS N FERB
IDK THE SPELLING SRY IF MY SPELLING IS WRONG
😂
Its ok to have wrong spelling but its phineas
yea how?
Ik
Joshua is finyese
2:33 why is obama on the left
3:47
Last time I checked, the amount of time between 2007 and 2018 is not 9 years.
The dude in the thumbnail looking like his whole blood supply went to his upper arms
I hollered when he said " ever heard of leg day" lmao lol kmsl. They forget about the rest of the body
Haha forget leg day... what about forearm day???
I hope they all get the help they need and are able to overcome their struggles to feel comfortable and happy in their bodies as they are naturally. It must be awful to feel uncomfortable in your own skin/body. 💚
Aww❤
2:06 left dude, Obama's cousin.
Finally someone figured it out
@@barackobama2451 XD
Barack Obama lmao
Bodybuilder:I am the strongest.
Injection:Are you sure about that?
Arlindo be wearing the Zyzz shirt but no ones mirin’
Faker: I became a bodybuilder in 4 days.
The photoshop: half white, half pink, that's the way it is.
"Yeah, you might be able to snap me in half, but a single twitch of my finger could end you."
8:47 remember everyone, Russia builds you 😂
Their muscles look like a balloon that is ready to burst...
10:37
he’s blowing up literally 😂🤣😂😂
"no pain, no gain"
they took that saying to next level lol
2:58 that is best insult i heard
omg my brother
9:02 POV: that one video game shopkeeper waiting for you to buy something
OMG NEIL CICIERIGA
Half of these guys look like anime/RPG villains when they overuse the MacGuffin of Power and are halfway transformed into the final boss.
this is why i spend a lot of time on the character customization
yuk.... most gross thing I've ever watched in a while....
Synthol is 85 percent medium-chain triglyceride (MCT) oil, 7.5 percent lidocaine, and 7.5 percent alcohol.
Me: looking at my Twig arms Bruh
same💀
I have metal arms
Same 🤣🤣🤣🖕
Still far better than these people's arms.