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They didn't even try to hide the fact that they were guilty. She didn't even pretend to care that her kids were missing. Most parents with missing kids don't rest until they either find them or get answers, but she was partying it up in Hawaii. They definitely killed her third husband. She and Chad are monsters.
A mother will not sleep until her body crashes from exhaustion when her child is missing. A mother can worry about her child for days on end, without food, water, sleep.... You have to force a grieving mother to take care of herself. A concerned mother will investigate better than as a highly trained/experienced investigator. A loving mother has power within her called unconditional love. Lori isn't exhibiting any of these things. She has no power. She decided to believe her babies were zombies. She walks in darkness.
There are stray cats out in the streets that are better, more maternal mothers than her. This case makes me so angry, as it could have been prevented if certain people and the police had taken notice and listened sooner.
I feel for all the victims and I wish Charles' concerns were taken more seriously. Male victims of domestic violence need more attention. If there had been more intervention, maybe some of these lives could have been saved.
Exactly! What she did to him was beyond messed up. Canceling his flight, stealing his car, getting rid of all his things, and disappearing with his kids. She admitted to police all of this. And nothing happened. If this was gender flipped she'd be this poor victim. This dude was completely ignored. Then he's shot dead by her brother months later n there's no red flags!? What the hell. Kids should have been relocated right there.
metuer atist exactly if they had listened to Charles those kids would be alive and Tammy and Charles himself would dbe but instead the idiot cops went straight to Lori and told her what Charles had said and she lied her way out then soon after her and her brother lured Charles to the house and murdered him probably with JJ within earshot then 2 weeks after Tammy dies of what cops now say is Asphyxiation Chad and Lori marry in Hawaii!
Charles even went to the police to save his life & when Alex & Lori killed him, they let them go! At least Charles knew to take Lori off ins policy. Lori having a swim party prob celebrating $million richer, after Charles died has zero to do with God as if he'd ever choose her! Charles & Joe died being great daddies & r with their children now. I heard Tylee is close with Charles so I hope in heaven she knows Lori lied to her about her dad. Lori pretended to be a good mom but Chad let her not have to pretend anymore or she is bipolar.
My heart goes out to Colby. He was so young to have so much heartache in his life. I hope he finds the love and peace he deserves, and knows that none of this is his fault.
I literally cried while watching the documentary last night, if the son is reading this right now, I hope you know this isn’t your fault! You did your job as a older brother protecting your siblings, there was nothing you could of done that could of prevented this from happening, I hope you know this! Sending so much love to the grieving family❣️
Colby's wife just called the cops on him for rape then dropped the charges. I don't think Colby is who you think he is. I've been following this case since legit day 1 and something is off with Colby. Watching them together in the documentary felt awkward honestly
Lori was smiling and laughing when the police were talking to her right after Charles Vallows death , unbelievable !!! And she texted Charles vallows children to tell them their father had died, really ? I would have liked to see her face when she found out that Charles had changed his life insurance policy changing the beneficiary . Pure evil
“Although Charles pleaded to police to have her involuntarily admitted to a mental facility, they concluded that she was no threat” - I bet they regret that decision now that she killed 2 children
And the little boy had a service dog named Bailey and before the bodies were found. The mom called the dog's trainer and told them that they had no use for the dog anymore. :( and the boy and that dog were a dream team. Bailey Sarian covered this case before the kid's body were found and I feel so bad that they took the boys service dog away too. This whole case makes my blood boil.
I think even with Lori’s 3rd husband, she accused him of sexually abusing Colby and Tylee, and investigators found no such thing going on. Instead of being happy, she was infuriated, and the investigators said something to the courts, but they did nothing. This was WAY before she met Charles and Chad. This shows this type of behavior started before she ever met Chad and was “influenced” by him.
@@lizbizwiz1238 She is a Narcisst. Her Former Sister-in-Law said also, that Lori need to be in the Middle and need the Attention (as Ms Texas? and in the "Wheel of Fortune). If she really would be so spiritual, she wouldn't need that. But many Narcissts say the One and do the other. And many of them feel so superior to be chosen or even like God in Person. They often claim to be enlighted. But really enlighted People are introvert and more devot. And they don't murder!!
Anyone else wonder if the cops that didn’t do their job when Charles was killed know that they had a large part in those children being killed. If only they did their job those kids would be alive . I’d just end it if I had to live with that .
I can't praise enough the efforts of the law enforcement in a small Idaho town that broke through a wall of indifference that had been following this woman for years.
If just one person would have listened to her husband and had committed or if her husband would have had her committed, or if the police would have had her arrested after the way she acted when her brother killed her husband maybe these kids would still be alive. Tragic, just tragic.
Just finished the documentary. From the police to the family just brushing everything off n giving this woman so much benefit of the doubt pissed me off. Everyone called the husband crazy for trying to warn them all that Lori was the crazy one. Now they all regret not listening AFTER so many already lost their lives. Fucking shame!
Only the Moment after Charles got shout and Lori stood in Front of his Car - smiling!! That should made the Police Alert. How cold have you to be to act in this Way, if your Ex-Husband die? And then she told the Insurance few Days later, that her Ex died - in the Hope, she'll get the Amount! Chad's Woman died suddenly too. They both - Lori and Chad got married short after their previous Partners died. How many Signs (red Flags) need the Police? 🤔🤨🧐
As an Aussie I'm often disgusted when seeing clips from America of cops. They just have no training and luterally anyone can do it. Like in Australia you have to have finished school at least. Which weeds out a lot of people.
@@tessajones9393 I'm from Germany and here they have to studied it for at least 3 Years. It's a dangerous Job with much Responsibility. It shouldn't be done from everyone.
The problem is that men who are desperate with genuine concern look a lot like men who are controlling and domestically violent, whose relationship has ended. The latter are constantly finger pointing. "she's keeping the kids from me, she's crazy, she's going out with someone awful etc." Unfortunately, there are so many of the latter that the former gets treated with suspicion.
This goes to show that even though someone may seem like they have it all, and they may seem confident and bubbbly, and they may be a terrific parent, worker, whatever, that doesn't always mean they have high self-esteem. The fact that Lori bought into those ideologies and was recruited into the cult so easily (cults target people with low self-esteem and self-worth to recruit) shows that she must have had really low self-worth and didn't have a strong sense of self.
It also happens in politics, especially true of X45; he targeted the uneducated, the disillusioned, those with low self-esteem, and those who shared his views; many friends and families have been torn apart. Now that he has been exposed for who he really is, it will take time for friendships and families to heal and mend rifts, and for those who supported X45 and his minions, to see who their real friends and loved ones are. Lori, however, as she bought into the ideologies, also was narcissistic, always thinking of herself, and not her husbands and children, and it was a perfect storm waiting to happen; she was planning to off Chad, but thank goodness, she was caught before he was made the next dead husband she could profit off of. When her previous husbands and relatives started dying and the kids disappeared, the police dropped the ball on the investigation.
According to the Netflix series, her mom said she was brought up LDS and was drawn to religion. According to Colby (Lori's eldest son) she about cracked when he told her that he was being abused by her second husband, to the point Lori admitted to LDS priests that she wanted to commit murder if she didn't push herself further into religion. Unfortunately she went to both extremes.
I watched the Netflix documentary and it was stunning. I can't believe how Lori could manipulate anyone, including the police, to believe her stories. Overall, it was a great documentary.
@Amouage123 yep for real. I don't understand how she could just say "oh my daughter is at school and my son is at my friends" and the police called her friend and her friend said he wasn't there, the police should have arrested her right then. But they still didn't. Like dude ppl cant just say "idk were my kids are" for months and months, and get to keep living, no way! but apparently this lady can and same with that one terrible mom Casey Anthony, she also "didnt" know were her daughter was for a whole month, but she went out and partied and hooked up with men like nothing was wrong. I cant believe some ppl are like that. Makes me sick
When you get the right combination of people who are just plain crazy together it can turn tragic fast. My Scottish granny would call them "crazy as a sh*t house rat". What a sad sad story. I also watched that Under the Banner of Heaven show. Another black eye for the LDS church.
When I heard the case the first time, I couldn't believe that it was real. When there was a court order for her to produce the children to show that they were safe and she failed to do that, I had a horrible feeling that they were no longer with us. I knew Lori was involved and she played a role in the murders. The fact that she didn't care that her children were missing when everyone else was so scared and worried about them says a lot. It's clear that she was brainwashed by Chad, he's the reason she changed so much. If she never met him, the kids would still be here today. I don't know how anyone can flip and suddenly murder their children. I really hope they'll be charged with Charles murder because it most definitely wasn't self-defense. Chad and Lori are such quacks. The last episode of the documentary was so heartbreaking. They will be dearly missed.
she was a sociopath far before Chad, they're both sociopathic manipulators..she had 5 husbands...her borther killed Charles, her own family was delusionally criminal as well
The whole story is so tragic. Lori’s whole family is creepy and inappropriate. None of them did anything to help Charles. Adam the brother flies out here on Charles’ dime and pretended to be his friend. Sad
That's is what is really irking me as well. Like he was just a write off in this whole lurid tale. He seemed like a really decent guy (even changed his faith for her) that treated her and the kids well and deserved so much better. Just the way she talked behind his back to her friend was sickening.
I remember when this story first hit the news with everyone asking her where the kids were. I remember telling my family that they'd find the kids once they broke out the cadaver dogs and checked the backyard. Sad to say I wasn't far off on that.
Chad lived right down the highway from us didn't know nothing about him until this case broke. Very sad and hurt the community quite a bit wish it would just get to trial
I have been following this story since it began. When Tylee and JJ were unaccounted for, it was on our local news here in Montana. Idaho and Montana she a border. Small portions of Yellowstone National Park are in Montana, as many of the entrances to the Park are in MT. Very sad, devious story. I have watched every hearing online. Both Justin and Nate are excellent reporters.
@E Boston still heartless and sick. I know they were her kids. And really, the little boy wasn't hers at all. I don't care whose kids they are, I could never. I said "Any kids, honestly", or did you not read that part.
If you pay attention to things people say about her, she was NEVER "the perfect monther." She's always been unstable, flighty, and selfish. She just got away with it because she was pretty and slightly charismatic. 🙄
The police failed Charles and the kids had they listened to Charles him and the kids probably would've been alive and when they told her that her that Charles died and she was happy about it that should've been a red flag to them.
Can we explore why no one listened to. Charles Vallow? Why was EVERYONE willing to hear her and ignore him? No one is talking about this hero that tried to get help time and time again. He lost his life trying to help her and the kids. I want to know why no one is talking about Charles- why he wasn’t heard- family, friends, law enforcement… there is a psychology around this that needs to be explored. She showed signs… why was everyone ignoring her changing behavior? Her odd podcast discussions, her strange declarations…
Malignant narcissists are really skilled at drawing people to themselves by turning them against each other. Lori is a malignant narcissist who managed to convince everyone that Charles was the crazy one.
This whole thing could've been prevented The family and friends are just as guilty and those police should feel shame as well All of them could've done something to prevent those people losing their lives Did they just say "oh they wouldn't do that" and go about their lives? Cause wtf
Tylee and I were born in the same year, 2002 she's supposed to turn 20 this year, (I'm a couple of months older, since I'm from march) she had a whole life in front of her, taken away by her own mother, so tragic
This is one of those types of cases that really makes your blood boil. Reminds me of the Chris Watts documentary a little bit, a parent responsible for first degree murder against their children. It’s a good thing the oldest son was already an adult otherwise if he were a minor he would probably be dead also. I really hope Chad and Lori turn on each other during the trial in 2023.
Chad is so freaking creepy, I will never understand how she turned into the monster she has become. Fly High Charles, JJ, Tylee and Tammy may justice prevail for you!
I remember seeing that body cam footage a while ago, devastating how this played out. The most dangerous crazy people are the ones that can convince EVERYONE they are in fact, not.
I so vividly remember following this case and just hoping so badly they were found. I was pregnant and felt so connected emotionally, I will always think about them and I can’t wait for justice to be served!
Some said about this case, that this is why we make up horror movie monsters: so that we can forget, just for a short time, that the most terrifying monsters are those in the real world. Serial killers like Manson, Dahmer, Gacy, etc...aren't the most frightening of all evildoers. The truly monstrous ones are sometimes living right next door. Or going to church with you every Sunday. Or even in your own family.
the US has many sociopaths, we have a broken society, disconnected, narcissistic, and no empathy..there are murders in every nation but in developed nations, we are a MESS by comparison..religious fanaticism, lack of quality education, and american exceptionalism has caused mass psychopathy
That encounter Charles had with police made me uncomfortable since it appeared the police were not only skeptical of his claims, but regarding him as embellishing and over-reacting. They definitely did not take him seriously. Has no one ever had the courage to tell Janis Cox how awful her lips appear?
How does this woman have so many husbands? That’s a red flag in itself. She’s gotta be manipulating some of these men because how is that not suspicious in itself?
At the end of the netflix miniseries, the oldest sons phone calls with Laurie were awful. This wretched woman showed no remorse what-so-ever. The poor dad who tried warning everyone but was shunned, ughh, so tragic
Lori’s eldest son and mom could have intervened when they received an email from Charles. He and his wife even said “we weren’t reading that email, don’t involve us in ur drama”. Now u are the one crying on tv and wishing ur siblings were still alive. Who’s the dramatic now huh
I was shocked that Lori Vallows own mother finally admitted her daughter did something after the kids were found. I thought they were still protecting her daughter.
@@denben8530 Why would that be shocking? Before the kids were found, they could choose to believe their daughter's word that the children were safe. Once they were found dead, burned, dismembered and buried like trash on her new husband's property...facts are facts. She became impossible to ddefend.
I just finished watching Sins of our mother on Netflix saw at the ending that she was found competent to stand trial. Both of them were scheduled for trial in 2023 prosecutors were going for the death trail. Came to UA-cam to see if they got their punishment. 💔💔Breaks my heart 🙏🏾🙏🏾 prayers to the family 🫶🏾
Just frustrating why did the family not do more? Everyone involved could have done more, Charles kids why did they not kick up a fuss when he was killed? The brother who was supposedly on his side said nothing after he died. Colby had his own family but gosh he should have been concerned along time before he was. The police being idiots in the face of a good looking woman, why am I not surprised. This could have been prevented or atleast they could have been brought to justice along time before they were.
I am watching, I find these kind of stories ( quite interesting) The fact that the police didn’t believe Charles, is partly why those children are dead. She’s white and blonde, no wonder the police didn’t suspect her. 🙄🙄🙄
Alex and cousin Megan were the only ones home. Megan recounts on Hidden True Crime channel. Alex definitely is culpable, and likely at the hands of his family!
Everyone says she changed when meeting old mate but no, she would have always been that way. People aren't normal then flick a switch and they're crazy. The whole family is bizarre. The way the mother made excuses for her earlier and the son not staying in contact with his sister. It was weird. He's suss too. Like. Why would you even call your mother and try and talk after what happened? And to still call her mom. Wtf. The doco made me angry. And that friend that sounded the same as her. Wth lol
I frist heard about all of this in the podcast "Murder With My Husband" (which I highly recommend) and I am blown away on how everything has progressed.
This is sad and heartbreaking I feel for Colby 😢 losing his siblings an the only father he knew also if they had took Charles more serious I seriously Doubt anything would've happened I seriously don't understand why Alex wasn't charged in Charles death if he had been Tammy Tylee and JJ would still be here
I think her brother killed her son. I wonder why Chad's many kids didn't say anything or weren't involved. Nothing explains this. And nothing beyond Charles other kids either
They believe their dad is innocent. Of all of it even the death of their own mother they believe he innocent on that too.i think both are going to blame Alec fir all the killings. But he's dead now too so there's that
Anyone else furious from watching this. Seems to me Lori never had to be accountable through out life and so much could have been prevented. The family handled the situation super strange including the son. That man your step father who you loved so much and lived with, I would have assumed you knew him a little bit better to atleast listen to what he was saying, and give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't know all of it just seemed so strange and Irie from the start. The 4 marriages the molestation I don't know it's just not sitting right with like there was issues before they stated there were issues
That pulmonary embolism was an air filled syringe murder 😳 straight up and down... Sounds like murder to me to silence him for aiding in the other murder of his brother-in-law
Tylee was her flesh and blood. I will never understand a biological mother doing that to their own flesh. JJ was a baby. I just don't understand anything about these two Lori and Chad. RIP T&JJ🙏
The whole story is thrilling to watch. I have already read the news about Lori Vallow’s case. I watched some scenes that weren’t even mentioned in the news. These scenes help to understand perfectly. Character play is so impressive that it made me angry at crime scenes. But the series is very interesting.
This documentary was so sad. Her poor son Colby, the parents, the grandparents…we get so wrapped up in the story as it’s unfolding, we forget there are people living it. I found listening to her talking on the phone, it was like severe narcissistic personality run amok. Absolutely zero accountability. You question me..oh, you’re a zombie.
This story is so infuriating and tragic. What makes a person one day watch or read something about a common topic like religion and suddenly they willingly derail their lives so far out of the norm to the point of doing the unspeakable to their own children.
In Lori’s case, severe narcissism provided a perfect platform for extreme religious ideology to grow and fester. She’s so deep in her delusion she truly believes what she did to her children was part of Gods will, and thus, she isn’t guilty of murder, but rather, provided a “service” to her children by freeing them from their “dark spirits.” It’s essentially the same thing that happened with the communities in the 18th century that burned or executed witches. The religious delusions are by far the most dangerous.
I just finished watching the documentary; and Up until today she doesn’t feel that she did something wrong, RIP the victims and I feel sorry for Colby , hoping one day he can’t live with a little peace at least 😢this was sad sad
Religious mania & delusions are often part of mental illness. I would bet her psych evaluation was interesting. She was found mentally unfit to plead at one point .
i think LV displayed the ways of a sociopath way before her obsession with CD and the end times. Going all the way back to her first and esp her second marriage ( when she alleges child sex abuse of her 2 oldest kids by their father, going so far as to convince her children this happened, alienating Tylee from her biological father) This stuff did not happen in a vacuum her relationship with her brother was certainy not normal. i think this all was happening in the context of a very troubled family. I will be watching as she is tried, i hope convicted and served the justice Tylee Ryan, JJ Vallow, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow and possibly Joseph Ryan all cry out for from their graves. Death follows this woman, i find her to be cold as ice.
Why didn’t they just give the kids to the grandparents or even her elder son? The rest of the family is certainly at fault for not allowing the mother another option.
"By all accounts Lori was a loving and caring mother until she adopted radical religious beliefs". This. It's almost always this. It's all because of religion and I'm sick of it!
I wouldn't be surprised if lori was the one who actually killed him and Alex is covering for her and tylee probably witnessed it and they why they killed her.
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They didn't even try to hide the fact that they were guilty. She didn't even pretend to care that her kids were missing. Most parents with missing kids don't rest until they either find them or get answers, but she was partying it up in Hawaii. They definitely killed her third husband. She and Chad are monsters.
Yeah she and Chad are evil
A mother will not sleep until her body crashes from exhaustion when her child is missing. A mother can worry about her child for days on end, without food, water, sleep.... You have to force a grieving mother to take care of herself. A concerned mother will investigate better than as a highly trained/experienced investigator. A loving mother has power within her called unconditional love. Lori isn't exhibiting any of these things. She has no power. She decided to believe her babies were zombies. She walks in darkness.
There are stray cats out in the streets that are better, more maternal mothers than her. This case makes me so angry, as it could have been prevented if certain people and the police had taken notice and listened sooner.
Is Charles her fourth husband?
I fully believe that the Lord took Alex out because he was killing people and he needed to go ..
I feel for all the victims and I wish Charles' concerns were taken more seriously. Male victims of domestic violence need more attention. If there had been more intervention, maybe some of these lives could have been saved.
Exactly! What she did to him was beyond messed up. Canceling his flight, stealing his car, getting rid of all his things, and disappearing with his kids. She admitted to police all of this. And nothing happened. If this was gender flipped she'd be this poor victim. This dude was completely ignored. Then he's shot dead by her brother months later n there's no red flags!? What the hell. Kids should have been relocated right there.
@@LavenderSkyla absolutely
metuer atist exactly if they had listened to Charles those kids would be alive and Tammy and Charles himself would dbe but instead the idiot cops went straight to Lori and told her what Charles had said and she lied her way out then soon after her and her brother lured Charles to the house and murdered him probably with JJ within earshot then 2 weeks after Tammy dies of what cops now say is Asphyxiation Chad and Lori marry in Hawaii!
Charles even went to the police to save his life & when Alex & Lori killed him, they let them go! At least Charles knew to take Lori off ins policy. Lori having a swim party prob celebrating $million richer, after Charles died has zero to do with God as if he'd ever choose her! Charles & Joe died being great daddies & r with their children now. I heard Tylee is close with Charles so I hope in heaven she knows Lori lied to her about her dad. Lori pretended to be a good mom but Chad let her not have to pretend anymore or she is bipolar.
exactly. it's not just women that suffer from domestic violence, men go through the same thing.
My heart goes out to Colby. He was so young to have so much heartache in his life. I hope he finds the love and peace he deserves, and knows that none of this is his fault.
I literally cried while watching the documentary last night, if the son is reading this right now, I hope you know this isn’t your fault! You did your job as a older brother protecting your siblings, there was nothing you could of done that could of prevented this from happening, I hope you know this! Sending so much love to the grieving family❣️
The son is an accused rapist.
The brother died? There was a older sister thats it. And a little brother and middle brother. And she killed them all. Terrible
@@Anthony.and.Bigsis She is referring to Colbe, who is Lori's eldest son, the only sibling that survived.
@@peachleroux I didn’t know he was on Survivor. What season? I think I would remembered him.
Colby's wife just called the cops on him for rape then dropped the charges. I don't think Colby is who you think he is. I've been following this case since legit day 1 and something is off with Colby. Watching them together in the documentary felt awkward honestly
Lori was smiling and laughing when the police were talking to her right after Charles Vallows death , unbelievable !!! And she texted Charles vallows children to tell them their father had died, really ? I would have liked to see her face when she found out that Charles had changed his life insurance policy changing the beneficiary . Pure evil
Absolutely was pure evil
“Although Charles pleaded to police to have her involuntarily admitted to a mental facility, they concluded that she was no threat” - I bet they regret that decision now that she killed 2 children
You know they do. They need to Take those Threats more Seriously. Like a more training. It's all Bad
yep! they could have done more. Or he should have got out of the situation faster.
They seen she was an attractive woman. And couldn't see past that. Smh. Sad.....
They will sat HIPPA laws and they can't hold someone against their will after 72 hrs or less. Laws need changed
And the little boy had a service dog named Bailey and before the bodies were found. The mom called the dog's trainer and told them that they had no use for the dog anymore. :( and the boy and that dog were a dream team. Bailey Sarian covered this case before the kid's body were found and I feel so bad that they took the boys service dog away too. This whole case makes my blood boil.
Omg i love Bailey Sarian!
They probably would of killed the poor dog too ... This is heartbreaking
Actually, first she tried to sell the dog. What a monster she is.
Thought the trainer find she was selling Bailey so he took donated Bailey back. Bailey & JJ were best friends.
@@kitandsons173 thats what I read & trainer caught onto her dispicable act.
Really annoyed me, so many people ignored these red flags, those poor kids! The police investigations have so much wrong with them on so many points
Welcome to white religious america.
I think even with Lori’s 3rd husband, she accused him of sexually abusing Colby and Tylee, and investigators found no such thing going on. Instead of being happy, she was infuriated, and the investigators said something to the courts, but they did nothing. This was WAY before she met Charles and Chad. This shows this type of behavior started before she ever met Chad and was “influenced” by him.
@@lizbizwiz1238 She is a Narcisst. Her Former Sister-in-Law said also, that Lori need to be in the Middle and need the Attention (as Ms Texas? and in the "Wheel of Fortune).
If she really would be so spiritual, she wouldn't need that. But many Narcissts say the One and do the other. And many of them feel so superior to be chosen or even like God in Person. They often claim to be enlighted. But really enlighted People are introvert and more devot. And they don't murder!!
Anyone else wonder if the cops that didn’t do their job when Charles was killed know that they had a large part in those children being killed. If only they did their job those kids would be alive . I’d just end it if I had to live with that .
They were pretty pathetic. Laughing with her and making jokes to the daughter then they guy was shot dead. It make me so sad and sick.
@@tessajones9393 they just assumed it was another nasty divorce but it is not their jobs to assume its their job to investigate
@E Boston of course its the police job to protect citizens from harm you imbaseal
@eboston7591what is their job then genius?
I can't praise enough the efforts of the law enforcement in a small Idaho town that broke through a wall of indifference that had been following this woman for years.
If just one person would have listened to her husband and had committed or if her husband would have had her committed, or if the police would have had her arrested after the way she acted when her brother killed her husband maybe these kids would still be alive. Tragic, just tragic.
I know she killed Joe Ryan (Tylee's bio dad) she is on tape admitting she looked up bible verses to see if it was ok to kill your ex
Husbands can't just have their wives committed, it legally does not work that way anymore.
Someone did listen .... Adam cox, her brother but it wasn't enough and too late
Rest in Peace Charles Vallow
Rest in Peace Tylee
Rest in Peace JJ
Rest in Peace Tammy Daybell
Your missing mrRyan Tyler's dad
I think her 3rd husband was killed too! but I am not 100%. This story is too crazy!
@@jeffreypullis696yes, Joseph Ryan was also murdered. It wasn't mentioned in this video 😢
Just finished the documentary. From the police to the family just brushing everything off n giving this woman so much benefit of the doubt pissed me off. Everyone called the husband crazy for trying to warn them all that Lori was the crazy one. Now they all regret not listening AFTER so many already lost their lives. Fucking shame!
Only the Moment after Charles got shout and Lori stood in Front of his Car - smiling!! That should made the Police Alert. How cold have you to be to act in this Way, if your Ex-Husband die?
And then she told the Insurance few Days later, that her Ex died - in the Hope, she'll get the Amount!
Chad's Woman died suddenly too. They both - Lori and Chad got married short after their previous Partners died.
How many Signs (red Flags) need the Police? 🤔🤨🧐
As an Aussie I'm often disgusted when seeing clips from America of cops. They just have no training and luterally anyone can do it. Like in Australia you have to have finished school at least. Which weeds out a lot of people.
But yeah they jokes and laughing made me really sad and sick.
@@tessajones9393 I'm from Germany and here they have to studied it for at least 3 Years. It's a dangerous Job with much Responsibility. It shouldn't be done from everyone.
The problem is that men who are desperate with genuine concern look a lot like men who are controlling and domestically violent, whose relationship has ended. The latter are constantly finger pointing. "she's keeping the kids from me, she's crazy, she's going out with someone awful etc." Unfortunately, there are so many of the latter that the former gets treated with suspicion.
This goes to show that even though someone may seem like they have it all, and they may seem confident and bubbbly, and they may be a terrific parent, worker, whatever, that doesn't always mean they have high self-esteem. The fact that Lori bought into those ideologies and was recruited into the cult so easily (cults target people with low self-esteem and self-worth to recruit) shows that she must have had really low self-worth and didn't have a strong sense of self.
It also happens in politics, especially true of X45; he targeted the uneducated, the disillusioned, those with low self-esteem, and those who shared his views; many friends and families have been torn apart. Now that he has been exposed for who he really is, it will take time for friendships and families to heal and mend rifts, and for those who supported X45 and his minions, to see who their real friends and loved ones are. Lori, however, as she bought into the ideologies, also was narcissistic, always thinking of herself, and not her husbands and children, and it was a perfect storm waiting to happen; she was planning to off Chad, but thank goodness, she was caught before he was made the next dead husband she could profit off of. When her previous husbands and relatives started dying and the kids disappeared, the police dropped the ball on the investigation.
According to the Netflix series, her mom said she was brought up LDS and was drawn to religion. According to Colby (Lori's eldest son) she about cracked when he told her that he was being abused by her second husband, to the point Lori admitted to LDS priests that she wanted to commit murder if she didn't push herself further into religion. Unfortunately she went to both extremes.
@@aznmochibunny But religion did she wish to push herself into?
@Brianna Lee. You are absolutely correct.
For real 100%
So sad! So many red flags, no one listened or spoke up and they’re all dead now 🥺 So tragic 💔
I watched the Netflix documentary and it was stunning. I can't believe how Lori could manipulate anyone, including the police, to believe her stories. Overall, it was a great documentary.
For real i agree. Its crazy she does that.
@Amouage123 yep for real. I don't understand how she could just say "oh my daughter is at school and my son is at my friends" and the police called her friend and her friend said he wasn't there, the police should have arrested her right then. But they still didn't. Like dude ppl cant just say "idk were my kids are" for months and months, and get to keep living, no way! but apparently this lady can and same with that one terrible mom Casey Anthony, she also "didnt" know were her daughter was for a whole month, but she went out and partied and hooked up with men like nothing was wrong. I cant believe some ppl are like that. Makes me sick
She’s a white woman, it wasn’t that difficult for the police.
Attractive white woman. That's why.
When you get the right combination of people who are just plain crazy together it can turn tragic fast. My Scottish granny would call them "crazy as a sh*t house rat". What a sad sad story. I also watched that Under the Banner of Heaven show. Another black eye for the LDS church.
When I heard the case the first time, I couldn't believe that it was real. When there was a court order for her to produce the children to show that they were safe and she failed to do that, I had a horrible feeling that they were no longer with us. I knew Lori was involved and she played a role in the murders. The fact that she didn't care that her children were missing when everyone else was so scared and worried about them says a lot. It's clear that she was brainwashed by Chad, he's the reason she changed so much. If she never met him, the kids would still be here today. I don't know how anyone can flip and suddenly murder their children. I really hope they'll be charged with Charles murder because it most definitely wasn't self-defense. Chad and Lori are such quacks. The last episode of the documentary was so heartbreaking. They will be dearly missed.
she was a sociopath far before Chad, they're both sociopathic manipulators..she had 5 husbands...her borther killed Charles, her own family was delusionally criminal as well
its always the fact after, we as humans need to be more proactive. if there are any red flags going on, then get help fast!
I knew her from High School , and this story shocks me to this day.
The whole story is so tragic. Lori’s whole family is creepy and inappropriate. None of them did anything to help Charles. Adam the brother flies out here on Charles’ dime and pretended to be his friend. Sad
That's is what is really irking me as well. Like he was just a write off in this whole lurid tale. He seemed like a really decent guy (even changed his faith for her) that treated her and the kids well and deserved so much better. Just the way she talked behind his back to her friend was sickening.
@@plantbasedsenior4240 Exactly...Its almost like he knew it was going to happen.
I’m confused. So what happened with Adam?
If Charles was taken seriously and the Cox family would have listened to him, perhaps all of this could have been avoided.
I remember when this story first hit the news with everyone asking her where the kids were. I remember telling my family that they'd find the kids once they broke out the cadaver dogs and checked the backyard. Sad to say I wasn't far off on that.
Chad lived right down the highway from us didn't know nothing about him until this case broke. Very sad and hurt the community quite a bit wish it would just get to trial
Lori and chad are truly despicable they have ruined so many people's lives
I have been following this story since it began. When Tylee and JJ were unaccounted for, it was on our local news here in Montana. Idaho and Montana she a border. Small portions of Yellowstone National Park are in Montana, as many of the entrances to the Park are in MT. Very sad, devious story. I have watched every hearing online. Both Justin and Nate are excellent reporters.
This couple is heartless. I just don't understand how you can do that to your kids. Any kids, honestly. They're sick.
@E Boston still heartless and sick. I know they were her kids. And really, the little boy wasn't hers at all. I don't care whose kids they are, I could never. I said "Any kids, honestly", or did you not read that part.
If you pay attention to things people say about her, she was NEVER "the perfect monther." She's always been unstable, flighty, and selfish. She just got away with it because she was pretty and slightly charismatic. 🙄
This… this is the comment I was looking for
The police failed Charles and the kids had they listened to Charles him and the kids probably would've been alive and when they told her that her that Charles died and she was happy about it that should've been a red flag to them.
Definitely. And they practically coddled Alex when he admitted shooting Charles. I mean talk about white privilege. Ugh.
You know what gets me? Lori smiling on her wedding day while her children are BURIED.
Can we explore why no one listened to. Charles Vallow? Why was EVERYONE willing to hear her and ignore him? No one is talking about this hero that tried to get help time and time again. He lost his life trying to help her and the kids.
I want to know why no one is talking about Charles- why he wasn’t heard- family, friends, law enforcement… there is a psychology around this that needs to be explored.
She showed signs… why was everyone ignoring her changing behavior? Her odd podcast discussions, her strange declarations…
Malignant narcissists are really skilled at drawing people to themselves by turning them against each other. Lori is a malignant narcissist who managed to convince everyone that Charles was the crazy one.
This whole thing could've been prevented
The family and friends are just as guilty and those police should feel shame as well
All of them could've done something to prevent those people losing their lives
Did they just say "oh they wouldn't do that" and go about their lives? Cause wtf
Yep the family turned a blind eye
@@dakalodk some people tried to warn them; they were murdered. Lori ordered the hits.
@E Boston oh right I forgot police are useless
Thanks for reminding me
The family should’ve heeded the warning signs and removed those young kids from her custody!!
She took HIS car and left him there with Alex … what??? No one questioned that??
Tylee and I were born in the same year, 2002 she's supposed to turn 20 this year, (I'm a couple of months older, since I'm from march) she had a whole life in front of her, taken away by her own mother, so tragic
Poor Charles's I feel sorry for his family
already binged it! i thought i knew about this case but there was so much more details in this doc!
This is one of those types of cases that really makes your blood boil. Reminds me of the Chris Watts documentary a little bit, a parent responsible for first degree murder against their children. It’s a good thing the oldest son was already an adult otherwise if he were a minor he would probably be dead also. I really hope Chad and Lori turn on each other during the trial in 2023.
Chad is so freaking creepy, I will never understand how she turned into the monster she has become. Fly High Charles, JJ, Tylee and Tammy may justice prevail for you!
She always was a monster, just waiting for the perfect scenario to be exposed.
I remember seeing that body cam footage a while ago, devastating how this played out.
The most dangerous crazy people are the ones that can convince EVERYONE they are in fact, not.
I so vividly remember following this case and just hoping so badly they were found. I was pregnant and felt so connected emotionally, I will always think about them and I can’t wait for justice to be served!
The police and family definitely failed them smh
Her confidence and calmness was terrifying.
Some said about this case, that this is why we make up horror movie monsters: so that we can forget, just for a short time, that the most terrifying monsters are those in the real world. Serial killers like Manson, Dahmer, Gacy, etc...aren't the most frightening of all evildoers. The truly monstrous ones are sometimes living right next door. Or going to church with you every Sunday. Or even in your own family.
the US has many sociopaths, we have a broken society, disconnected, narcissistic, and no empathy..there are murders in every nation but in developed nations, we are a MESS by comparison..religious fanaticism, lack of quality education, and american exceptionalism has caused mass psychopathy
That encounter Charles had with police made me uncomfortable since it appeared the police were not only skeptical of his claims, but regarding him as embellishing and over-reacting. They definitely did not take him seriously.
Has no one ever had the courage to tell Janis Cox how awful her lips appear?
The Netflix documentary on this was wild. I just don't understand some people..
How does this woman have so many husbands? That’s a red flag in itself. She’s gotta be manipulating some of these men because how is that not suspicious in itself?
At the end of the netflix miniseries, the oldest sons phone calls with Laurie were awful. This wretched woman showed no remorse what-so-ever. The poor dad who tried warning everyone but was shunned, ughh, so tragic
That cop better feel so damn guilty @5:05 he’s such a scumbag!!
In the documentary, they did not mention the same day, Charles was murdered. Lori threw a party!
She did not wait until the next day , it was later the same night that Charles was killed that she had a pool party
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Lori’s eldest son and mom could have intervened when they received an email from Charles. He and his wife even said “we weren’t reading that email, don’t involve us in ur drama”. Now u are the one crying on tv and wishing ur siblings were still alive. Who’s the dramatic now huh
I was shocked that Lori Vallows own mother finally admitted her daughter did something after the kids were found. I thought they were still protecting her daughter.
@@denben8530 Why would that be shocking? Before the kids were found, they could choose to believe their daughter's word that the children were safe. Once they were found dead, burned, dismembered and buried like trash on her new husband's property...facts are facts. She became impossible to ddefend.
Lori bring Divorced three times is a major red flags
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I just finished watching Sins of our mother on Netflix saw at the ending that she was found competent to stand trial. Both of them were scheduled for trial in 2023 prosecutors were going for the death trail. Came to UA-cam to see if they got their punishment. 💔💔Breaks my heart 🙏🏾🙏🏾 prayers to the family 🫶🏾
2 lost broken people who think they can kill whoever stands in the middle of their love.
Lost and delusional in every sense of the word.
Good grief.
It's so weird how they did nothing to disguise their suspicious behavior. They apparently thought they were "spiritually protected."
Just frustrating why did the family not do more? Everyone involved could have done more, Charles kids why did they not kick up a fuss when he was killed? The brother who was supposedly on his side said nothing after he died. Colby had his own family but gosh he should have been concerned along time before he was. The police being idiots in the face of a good looking woman, why am I not surprised. This could have been prevented or atleast they could have been brought to justice along time before they were.
Colby and his wife have since separated and she's accused him of rape recently. Not all was quite as it seemed there.
I am watching, I find these kind of stories ( quite interesting) The fact that the police didn’t believe Charles, is partly why those children are dead.
She’s white and blonde, no wonder the police didn’t suspect her. 🙄🙄🙄
I think it is because everyone in that area is just really trusting and naive, including police.
I swear crazies are coming out of the woodwork everyday 😩😩😩 Poor babies.
When Lori was a child, her sister died in an "accident". Only Alex and Lori were home when this happend.
Alex and cousin Megan were the only ones home. Megan recounts on Hidden True Crime channel. Alex definitely is culpable, and likely at the hands of his family!
The way the grandma handled it was so frustrating…
This was the very first true crime case I. Became obsessed with.
Everyone says she changed when meeting old mate but no, she would have always been that way. People aren't normal then flick a switch and they're crazy. The whole family is bizarre. The way the mother made excuses for her earlier and the son not staying in contact with his sister. It was weird. He's suss too. Like. Why would you even call your mother and try and talk after what happened? And to still call her mom. Wtf. The doco made me angry. And that friend that sounded the same as her. Wth lol
I started this, but seeing the photos and video clips of the kids just broke my heart and I couldn't keep going.
Even singing 'Mr. Sandman...' is telling, imo.
They deserve capital punishment. They are completely evil.
I frist heard about all of this in the podcast "Murder With My Husband" (which I highly recommend) and I am blown away on how everything has progressed.
This is sad and heartbreaking I feel for Colby 😢 losing his siblings an the only father he knew also if they had took Charles more serious I seriously Doubt anything would've happened I seriously don't understand why Alex wasn't charged in Charles death if he had been Tammy Tylee and JJ would still be here
Where was Colbee all this time?
That guy just got arrested too🤦🏽♀️NOT associated with this.
@@cloud8315 wait… the eldest son Colby got arrested?
@@Kyleigh.24 yes
@@cloud8315 They just dropped the charges against him.
This was wild! Rest in peace to Tammy, Tylee, J.J. and Charles.
I think her brother killed her son.
I wonder why Chad's many kids didn't say anything or weren't involved. Nothing explains this. And nothing beyond Charles other kids either
They believe their dad is innocent. Of all of it even the death of their own mother they believe he innocent on that too.i think both are going to blame Alec fir all the killings. But he's dead now too so there's that
This one is as disturbing as the Hart family. So many red flags, so many missed opportunities and the children are always the ones who pay. 😢
Alex flat out had a heart attack hearing Tammy was being exhumed.
Make a top 10 best Logan and Camille moments in Big Time Rush, please.
Anyone else furious from watching this. Seems to me Lori never had to be accountable through out life and so much could have been prevented. The family handled the situation super strange including the son. That man your step father who you loved so much and lived with, I would have assumed you knew him a little bit better to atleast listen to what he was saying, and give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't know all of it just seemed so strange and Irie from the start. The 4 marriages the molestation I don't know it's just not sitting right with like there was issues before they stated there were issues
That pulmonary embolism was an air filled syringe murder 😳 straight up and down... Sounds like murder to me to silence him for aiding in the other murder of his brother-in-law
What a disturbing story, this is so sad.
Tylee was her flesh and blood. I will never understand a biological mother doing that to their own flesh. JJ was a baby. I just don't understand anything about these two Lori and Chad. RIP T&JJ🙏
Is this on Netflix?
The whole story is thrilling to watch. I have already read the news about Lori Vallow’s case. I watched some scenes that weren’t even mentioned in the news. These scenes help to understand perfectly. Character play is so impressive that it made me angry at crime scenes. But the series is very interesting.
Again, shocking true story and Rebecca make it impossible not to watch.
This documentary was so sad. Her poor son Colby, the parents, the grandparents…we get so wrapped up in the story as it’s unfolding, we forget there are people living it. I found listening to her talking on the phone, it was like severe narcissistic personality run amok. Absolutely zero accountability. You question me..oh, you’re a zombie.
Some people falsely claim that they had NDE experiences to make money off of it.
“She was later medically cleared at community bridges” - well, someone wasn’t doing their job
This story is so infuriating and tragic. What makes a person one day watch or read something about a common topic like religion and suddenly they willingly derail their lives so far out of the norm to the point of doing the unspeakable to their own children.
In Lori’s case, severe narcissism provided a perfect platform for extreme religious ideology to grow and fester. She’s so deep in her delusion she truly believes what she did to her children was part of Gods will, and thus, she isn’t guilty of murder, but rather, provided a “service” to her children by freeing them from their “dark spirits.” It’s essentially the same thing that happened with the communities in the 18th century that burned or executed witches. The religious delusions are by far the most dangerous.
I just finished watching the documentary; and Up until today she doesn’t feel that she did something wrong, RIP the victims and I feel sorry for Colby , hoping one day he can’t live with a little peace at least 😢this was sad sad
Religious mania & delusions are often part of mental illness. I would bet her psych evaluation was interesting. She was found mentally unfit to plead at one point .
This whole ordeal is disturbing and super sad. I did watch the documentary and it made me so angry of what she did to her children and husband. :(
I watched this the other day. Heartbreaking truly
i think LV displayed the ways of a sociopath way before her obsession with CD and the end times. Going all the way back to her first and esp her second marriage ( when she alleges child sex abuse of her 2 oldest kids by their father, going so far as to convince her children this happened, alienating Tylee from her biological father) This stuff did not happen in a vacuum her relationship with her brother was certainy not normal. i think this all was happening in the context of a very troubled family. I will be watching as she is tried, i hope convicted and served the justice Tylee Ryan, JJ Vallow, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow and possibly Joseph Ryan all cry out for from their graves. Death follows this woman, i find her to be cold as ice.
Lori’s mom is crazy too
These police that did not help him should be sued
Why didn’t they just give the kids to the grandparents or even her elder son? The rest of the family is certainly at fault for not allowing the mother another option.
For He taketh the wicked at their own devices
I was so shocked seeing her photo and then finding out about her past. So so so shocked
"By all accounts Lori was a loving and caring mother until she adopted radical religious beliefs". This. It's almost always this. It's all because of religion and I'm sick of it!
I read the book about that story. Both of those people are messed up.
Shocking that Colby was just arrested😳
What? For what
@@licdaysi SA against a lady
@@cloud8315 what is sa?
@@smokeyb321 s..ual assault.
@@smokeyb321 sexual assault
Another case where the system failed soooo many innocent people
They could have given over those children at anytime to the family so sad
Bro thanks for this I did not want to watch this series on netflix...
If there’s hell I hope they rot in it , those poor babies didn’t deserve this breaks my heart
I wouldn't be surprised if lori was the one who actually killed him and Alex is covering for her and tylee probably witnessed it and they why they killed her.
Never heard this crime hope the victims get justice and hope they get the death penalty.
I watched it. It was shocking