Honestly i love that Dimitri immediately runs off to fight demons to save the soul of a man who was milliseconds from murdering him, its exactly something he would do xD
Fun fact: There were literal horror stories among Imperial soldiers who bore witness to the carnage Dimitri left in his wake. They assumed it was some horrible demon, as they believed there was no way a human being could brutally massacre entire platoons of troops like that.
@@dragonstouch1042the most absurd Dimitri build I’ve used is a Wyvern Lord with the chalice of beginnings. Give him Alert Stance+ and he obliterates most maps.
@@_-Bane-_MainBattalion Wrath, Battalion Vantage, Alert stance+, Lance Prowess 5 and Lancefaire/Lance crit +10 With challice or retribution gambit and a few killer lances.
One thing I always love about Guts’s sword is that is actually dull. A kid was free falling into a pit and the only thing he had on hand was Dragonslayer to reach out with far enough. So he held the sword out and she grabbed it fingers first to hold onto it and while it did cut up her fingers a little, it did stop her fall and then pulled her out. So whenever Guts cuts someone in half he’s not slicing through them, he’s hitting them so hard he’s just tearing off their upper torso.
I think calling DragonSlayer dull is a bit of a misnomer, as it implies that it was designed or was once sharp. Swords aren't normally sharp like knives are because it would just cause them to get nicks and become brittle faster. Swords get most of their sharpness from weight pressure and cutting motions while knives only have pressure and cutting motions. So with a sword as ludicrously massive as DragonSlayer you dont even really need a sharp edge, just a fine enough edge that would actually lead to a cut rather than a crush and then let the weight and pressure do all of the work.
So yeah, at the end, Guts ran out of blood, but the Berserker Armour kept him going until the end. Dimitri probably used his slow movement ability to delay Guts' final swing. He was also strong enough to die standing up, holding his sword up, badass. The brand on Guts' neck is basically a mark giving demons ownership of Gut's soul. Griffith, when he became a demon himself, sacrificed his army to hell (literally, if you die with that brand your soul goes to hell). It also attracts demons to you like moths to a flame and they showed up at the end for Guts' soul. Dimitiri, never quite lost his sense of honour and respected Guts as a fellow warrior and felt obligated to fight to protect his soul. I am a far bigger fan of Guts, but I like Dimitri's character and this is probably the most respectful death I've seen in a Death Battle, they gave Guts a badass death and Demitri fought on to protect his soul with just his spearhead. Jonathon Joestar vs Tanjiro Kamado and Popeye vs Saitama are good if you want other 'respectful KOs'.
They're not kidding - the Javelins of Light literally ARE ballistic missiles. "Those that slither in the dark" (that's what Thales's ilk are called) are the only people in Fodlan with modern technology.
The craziest thing is that they still consider Nemesis their ace in the hole, even refusing to let him out while Byleth raids Shambala and resorting to the javelins first. Lore-wise, Nemesis might be the single strongest person in Fodlan history aside from Seiros centuries ago.
@@_-Bane-_Mainhonestly, Dimitri IS a modern Nemesis. In design, the fact he's a warrior king, his raging attitude in his route, and both ruling over northern fodlan (Nemesis was probably the first King of Farghus or of Srengi origin). Tho honestly still believe Guts shouldve won this match.
It isn't that Dimitri inherits Rhea's feat, and it is more that Rhea's feat gives us context on how strong Edelgard is. Rhea can survive a gigaton explosion to the face, and Edelgard can cause significant harm to Rhea with her axe. That means Edelgard has to be swinging her axe with something in the range of 100s of megatons of force or it just wouldn't do anything. Since Dimitri can fight with her without being just obliterated by that much power he has to be able to wield and take similar amounts of force. It is actually the same argument for Guts' speed since he has never actually dodged lightning before but he has fought someone who has and he was not completely overwhelmed by the speed difference.
Which even then doesn't fully hold up. You can't really equate an explosion to someone swinging an axe with force, like Ken said different skillsets, items and etc hold up against differently against difference enemies. Scaling wise that's how we do it and it's how we always scaled people usually but logically it doesn't really always make sense. Wolverine being able to cut Hulk's skin and Spider-Man can knock out Wolverine shouldn't equate that Spider-Man can beat Hulk.
@@JordaxioI mean you can. That happens all the time in scaling and whatnot and this is no exception. In this case it isn't that much of a difference in skillsets here. Even if cutting Rhea was hundreds of times weaker than the explosion, Dimitri would still hit far harder than Guts here. Not to mention the did the very same for Guts here with him scaling to a beast who can produce a storm over an island.
@@dragonmasterxyz3544And even that’s shaky for Guts, since he had to go inside of the thing to kill it (as opposed to outright overpowering it like the player has to do against those bosses in Fire Emblem).
@@Jordaxio Imagine going to a bomb shelter and try to break through the wall with a pickaxe. You will do some superficial damage eventually but it is going to take you a long time to actually break through the wall, despite having a much more focused tool than a bomb blast would be. It is the same concept here, Edelgard is not as strong as a Javelin but she still has to be swinging insanely hard to do be able to do more than superficial damage to Rhea. Even more so since Rhea wasn't just sitting still and letting Edelgard hit her. And that is what Dimitri scales to, he is not as strong as a Javelin but that still makes him far stronger than anything Guts has ever fought.
@@thomas9208and then you also remember that the Rhea that was hit by javelins of light was is poor health after being in captivity for 5 years and was in bad health as opposed to Rhea in Edelgard’s route who is battle ready and still gets put down. I feel like most people are forgetting that while Dimitri’s strength played a good part, it’s also the relic weapons that are mainly putting that output of power. The relics are striking with some of the strength the original Nabateans had, and we know that relics were said to be able to cut mountains. Even Claude’s relic when activated was able to put Rhea down in the end of Golden Wildfire. The piercing on that relic must be very strong when he activated its full power.
Under the current Death Battle Rules they try to account for the characters personalities and how they are typically portrayed. The only exception being that they don't keep any aspect of their personality, attitudes or world views that would keep them from killing their opponent. In the old days they gave no consideration to the characters's personalities.
Yeah it's a really interesting franchise about basically anime medieval fantasy turn based Anyways I still think I should have guts should have won but I'm fine with
I hope check out more Fire Emblem. It’s a little hard to react to things for Fire Emblem since most of the game is t cutscenes but I’d react to 3 houses support conversations. Also Dimitri didn’t inherit Rhea’s feats although I understand the confusion. Dimitri can fight on par to Rhea(the lady that tanked the javelins of light) since in his route he beats edlegard who defeats Rhea in her route. Power scaling is weird and confusing sometimes.
If you want to see more of Guts, I'd suggest reacting to the supers from Berserk and the Band of the Hawk, as well as the classic 90s Berserk anime and the Berserk: Golden Age Arc trilogy of movies.
Fun fact for Ken and Bethany--Guts here was voiced by Xander Mobus, who's been in Death Battle before, was Deadpool for Team Fourstar's Cell Vs series, and is the announcer in Super Smash Bros, who they use a clip of in this episode when Byleth is first mentioned. Oh yeah and the reason that they said Byleth is everyone's favorite is because people HATED their inclusion. Even Fire Emblem fans. Edelgard had a big support behind her, but Byleth is kinda just there. So Byleth's trailer is the most disliked official Smash video. Another fun fact, two more popular Fire Emblem matchups are against Pokemon characters. Know how they mentioned the head of the Church of Seros, Rhea, and that she can turn into a dragon? Yeah people want her to fight the Plasma boss Ghetsis (he's human but he commands powerful dragons including one that's the embodiment of Wuji, the void). Another is Lucina, a time traveling heroine from a previous FE game, versus Grovyle from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series, a time traveling hero.
The nuke math is a weird one. But what they're saying, is if the dragon can survive 2 of them, then it takes MORE power than that for edelgard to actually kill the dragon. And if Dimitri is just as powerful if not more than edelgard then he is also more powerful then the nukes. Basically Nukes
@@mihaimercenarul7467 I don't remember fleche ever killing Dimitri or ever having a feat to compare her strength. Even so, whatever force Dimitri is able to withstand from fleche is irrelevant to his own power. That's why rhea is important
nope, rhea feat has nothing to do with dimitri. Yet fleche almost killing dimitri with a dagger shows his durability more than using a stupid assumption with rhea surviving two small blasts from javelin of lights that has nothing to do with dimitri.@@ctrlaltsimp3667
So what happened is this: The Berserker armor allows Guts to push beyond all his limits until HIS LAST DROP OF BLOOD has been spilled despite the fact that he was already dead, but he ran out of blood before he had any chance to land a finishing blow, to Dimitri, Guts' brand it's a sign for a special demon to come and drag his soul into hell, because of that brand. But Dimitri undertanding and respects that Guts is someone tormented by demons, just like him thus decides to protect Guts......... “You demons will not have his soul” is unironically one of the nicest things anyone could do for Guts soul at least peace for once in his life. People wanted Guts return for so long, and Dimitri from Fire Emblem Three Houses was the perfect match for him........ This is one the most wanted matches to happen and they didnt disapointed.
There's no way Guts should have lost. So yes, it did disappoint. The fact of the matter is that they don't want Guts to just win every matchup he's in, so they gifted it to Dimitri. Guts scales way higher than Dimitri does.
Perfect match you mean perfect counter for Guts once i saw how much bullshit abilitys Dimitri has that perfectly counter Guts in every way i knew Guts wouldn't win this fight, don't get me wrong i love the fight and the ending but this ain't a fair fight.Its like if you were to put the strongest Genshin impact character vs the strongest character from Kingdom manga and anime and call it a fair fight.
I believe the character scaling based on other character's feats are mostly done when they are similar characters that are meant to be similar. For example if we have examples of Vegeta being able to do something, then we can relatively fairly say that Goku is capable of similar feats. This is what DeathBattle typically does, but you are right, DB certainly does get some things wrong. By no means are they somekind of law, or anything. They make a loooot of mistakes. Here Dimitri's scaling was done in a very similar fashion, he wasn't scaled based on characters he beat, he was scaled based on characters that are estimated to be of similar strength and background.
dimitri is incredibly strong thanks to his crest he even snapped a soldier's neck with one hand as for his mental state there is a reason why he is called the boar from his childhood friend and fellow blue lions member felix he once striked down a rebellion and he wouldn't stop trying to kill edelgard until rodrique and byleth helped him get a handle on things
Regarding your Last Sentence, well it does kind of mean that thing! If someone can basically Take Two Nukes to the Face at the Same time and Survive, that same Person usually won't go down Against just any ordinary Swordsman! So the Fact that Edelgard managed to Wound and Defeat her with an Axe, means that Edelgard must have had more Force in her Attack's than said Javelin's, otherwise the Attack would barely do anything to Rhea, let alone kill her! And Dimitri even Faced an Version of Edelgard that was Basically on Steroids and even Stronger than her usual Self, which makes it even more Impressive that Dimitri could hold his own Against her and even Defeat her and it Certainly Proves that his Strength is Significantly higher than Anything Guts had! That's usually how Scaling Works! If Someone (Character A) let's say defeats an Character that has Actual Feats of Destroying an Universe (Character B) then that Automatically elevates said Character to Universal Level themself (Most likely Even Higher, Depending on how Equal they were in strength) and if Another Guy Shows up (Character C) and Defeats this New Universal Character, then that Elevates him automatically Higher than Both of them Since Character C basically Managed what Character A couldn't
So fleche, Girl with a small dagger îs stronger than a nuke, cuz she almost killed Dimitri and înjured him. No, Dimitri can't tank a nuke. Also edelgard only killed a weakened rhea with a relic weapon, which was stated by rhea that relic weapons are like kryptonite to her, they can hurt her without needing much force. Just the relic and The crest. So that doesn't scale anything.
Also hegemon edekgard was weaker, slower and made her more vulnerable to relic weapons. It was already stated that nornal edelgard was stronger and less vulnerable than her monster form. Use your brain, Dimitri simply doesn't have any feats that puts him above guts.
Yeah the fact that Dimitri had seal movement and sword breaker. Plus he had a Lance which in fire emblem beats swords. I kind of expected Dimitri to win. Guts would have had to have been tremendously stronger and faster than demetri to pull it off. Do I pretty much gave Dimitri every skill possible that he would need to win against guts.
So I was hoping for Guts vs Clare from Claymore in all honesty. While I am disappointed that now we'll have to wait months at minimum just to see Guts fight again, I do think this battle was a BEAUTIFUL alternative to that, and I am satisfied with it from top to bottom :)
Now that you’ve watched this, honestly id love to see you guys react to Fire Emblem stuff! It would be, idk I guess hard to react to Three Houses content because of the different routes BUT, It would be really nice to see you guys learn more about people like Dimitri and Edelgard, hell even Claude! Its super fun so id love to see you guys check it out
Personally, the one part of Berserk I'll always hate is how they wasted a perfectly strong, empowered female character just for shock and to be a tool of Guts' development. If Bethany ever watches Berserk, I hope she's prepared to be deeply disappointed going forward, since we both share a penchant for female characters who break the mold. Sure, future female characters show up, but they're all in checkbox roles like mages and healers, not quite as hard hitting as the warrior and commander Casca.
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 Yeah, if they read the manga taking place after the Eclipse, I can't help but imagine Bethany is not gonna be very fond on the portrayal of Casca, during much of the journey before she regained her sanity, of her being left as a broken shell with the mentality of an infant that mostly can't defend herself (though, there are rare exceptions where she shows signs she's still capable of killing anyone by herself when push comes to shove) which forces Guts (and his new friends) to keep her safe. And yeah, other female characters aren't anything like Casca as a female warrior and commander where they tend to pose as mages and healers or minor fighters that, while badass, wouldn't stand a chance against demonic foes that could easily kill a normal human. Even the female demons (AKA Apostles) themselves that are normally more powerful and deadly than normal humans are either minor characters or outright canon fodder for Guts to murder. And don't get me started on poor Princess Charlotte. Though, there are still some exceptions of a female Berserk character in the manga that serves as a pretty powerful and deadly adversary against Guts and anyone else. There's Rosine during the Conviction arc where she's an Apostle and perhaps one of the hardest foes Guts has ever faced before he had the Berserker Armor while we also have the only female God Hand that is Slan and she's pretty much the most powerful female character in the series alongside her other fellow God Hand members which includes Griffith/Femto. And there's also Flora, while not having a lot of time to shine, was a pretty powerful and wise witch.
@@CB-eo6xo Honestly, you nailed it perfectly for me. I think its just a shame how Miura chose to handle her at the time. Its just...so convenient that of the three, Casca's the one who is affected in such a way that she's infantilized and shattered and with almost no agency, barring her remnant kickass skills.
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 I mean, everyone handles trauma much differently but it's admittedly a tad bit absurd that of all the three survivors (Guts, Casca, and technically Rickert since he wasn't there and didn't get branded) of the Band of the Hawk during the Eclipse, Casca took it the worst while Guts, traumatized in his own right, is fairly not as bad in comparison and is still capable of murdering demons on his own regardless of losing his eye and arm. Heck, even AFTER she recovered her sanity, poor Casca still suffers major PTSD that even THINKING about the event of the Eclipse or looking at Guts face puts her in a serious panic attack.... and than Griffith/Femto comes in and takes her away not too long after that....
Huh, pretty much Might of Will and Mechanics vs Will and Magic. Martian Manhunter vs Silver is already out by the way, can’t wait for that one. Also, I highly suggest checking out Death Battle Cast, that can also be pretty interesting.
Their release schedule has them posting the Friday after the following Death Battle is released. So they will post a reaction to a different Death Battle next Friday and the one after that will be MM vs SS.
i was so angry that guts lost tbh. berserk is my favorite piece of fiction and i hate to see him die. but it was a fair outcome. i do like how he died, regardless of whether or not i like that he died at all.
pretty sure dimitri is the newestr character in this shows history, with his game being released in 2019, taking the crown from spider-gwen in 2014. that is literally all i know about him
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 there is a reason actually! in fire emblem weapons have durability that wears down over the course of a battle- in this case his lance has 20 uses. If you count each exchange dimitri uses his lance 20 times- meaning it breaks on the last one!
and the berserk manga doesn't have a full-ending yet. I hope that guts get some power-up so next time I see this, I definitely assume guts will win... (if berserk manga gonna continue)
Struggle till the end struggler An Bethany got it they run them like sims past the old battles so rather than research an determine they run multiple to see who wins most
I normally dont go against their outcomes but i sort of agree with Ken on this one, the whole Dimitri beat Edelgard who beat Rhea...eh it doesnt really add up. Just because Edelgard beat Rhea DOESN'T mean that Dimitri had that same level of power; so for me personally...that felt reaching as a way to justify how Dimitri could win, i'll say the same thing about Guts and the Sea god....that number they put out there was a level of power that the SEA GOD put out...not Guts...to which i'll say again should not have been a factor (especially since Guts killed it from the inside). one of the few times is disagree
it does though. edelgard can damage rhea and kill rhea who took that force- and dimitri DIRECTLY overpowers an even more beefed up version of edelgard- meaning his blows have to be at least in the same ballpark as the javelin feat
@@FuckUA-camAndGoogle the calc wasn't for tanking damage, it was dishing damage out. Because edelgard killed rhea while the nukes couldn't, so she should be capable of a similar amount of force at least- and dimitri overpowers her putting him above that.
@@FranTheNerd Those 2 things don't even exist in the same continuity, there's nothing to suggest Edelgard is that strong in the Blue Lions route, hence her death in that route and Dimitri's death in the Black Eagles route.
@@FuckUA-camAndGoogle yes, there's evidence she's even stronger. Considering those that slither in the dark thought hegemon edelgard would be better to kill dimitri than the javelins of light.
@@antiproductive4131Berserk armor not only consumes the user's blood, but also devours the user's mental state. Guts cannot cope with this situation. Schierke must enter his body to stabilize his mental state. Don't think that Guts beat SeaGod on his own. That's when Schierke is ready to enter his body before he can fight.
With how they scaled Dimitri's speed by dodging Meteor, they low-balled it. By using this method, Dimitri could also dodge Bolting (a lightning attack which would put him on Guts' speed) and Aura (literal beams of light meaning he could far exceed Guts)
Dimitri a nice guy?😂😂😂😢😢Trust me. I played Fire Emblem and Dimitri is not some regular nice guy, a good person, but not a nice guy. Death Battle omitted a lot of information on Dimitri's part. The only reason he's so nice in the game is because he's trying to fix himself and the reason he joins the Officer's Academy in the first place was to incite revenge on whoever was truly responsible for both the Faerghus Kingdom's mutiny and the Tragedy of Duscur, which is a racially motivated genocide. Think the Rosewood Massacre of 1923 or the movie based on it, but far more brutal. Racism is one of the themes of the game and was a strong motivator for the massacre (and yet Dimitri still vowed to vindicate them even in his rage, knowing from the start they had nothing to do with it. One of his close friends, Felix, as bitter and edgy as he is, constantly chews out Dimitri for being "too brutal" with one of the perpetrators before they joined the academy and after Edelgard was unmasked, Dimitri goes insane and goes on an offscreen death spree, soloing entire armies by himself for five years straight, he even tortured one commander and when your made avatar returns and they fight an Empire general, after beating him, your avatar unalives him as a mercy to what Dimitri was going to do.
I hate how they describe the Tragedy of Duscar here as “Dimitri’s Dad and some Knights” NO! No he lost his entire Family, he lost his Friends, he lost everyone that was dear to him that day and he was powerless to stop it, he literally watched his own Father’s head get severed off, and his Step mother burned to death. Duscar fucked Dimitri up hard.
Mind u Griffith did all those awful things to Guts and Casca was because Griffith REALLY wants to have sex with Guts but Guts isint gay and Casca was like Griffith's most trusted person so seeing how these got into a relationship he felt both heartbroken and betrayed theres also the case where he had sex with a Princess in hopes to get Guts out of his head but was tortured by Her Dad in the end thus leading to him doing the Eclipse.
@@simvleusen ...Whats the point though? Its not really worth doing, and they arent made to be viewed that way. Even then, they're short as heck even when compiled.
@@simvleusen I just think you've picked a poor choice in reaction content is all. I mean, look at Death Battle, there's several minutes of solid, fleshed out content to look at, all with context and flair. Whats so fun about contextless death quotes that they wouldnt give a damn about without playing the game or understanding the characters? Would make for a dull reaction too, like "oh, damn, thats sad"
I would like to say that this DB… doesn´t look well researched or put together. Let´s go part by part. The DB crew used multiple game mechanics to establish stuff like: armor breaker, making instantly that it could bypass the Berserker armor… because yes? Sure, Dimitri´s weapon maybe could cut through the Berserker´s armor magical defense, but do not use game mechanics that are almost impossible to translate to actual fighting feats… I mean, let´s be real… if that would be the case, Guts has been cutting through heavy plate since he was… 14-15 and still in his teenager years, he killed multiple men in one slash, all using heavy plate… after falling from a cliff… and getting shot with a crossbow… and all of that with a sword that was nowhere close to his signature weapon, the Dragon Slayer. Through metal shields and armor at the same time… so that would give him that skill too? I bet it would have a nice def down percentage… Also, Guts not only dodged lightning multiple times in a row… but when he did get hit, that lightning was stated to be powerful enough to kill multiple awaken apostles… which are bigass monsters. And Guts stood up and went to fighting again. And by using DB own calcs, they say that Guts is at least 3 times faster than Dimitri… Now, let´s see Dimitri´s feat. Nothing that Guts didn´t actually do while he was a kid not old enough to drink legally… And then you have that special cannon attack that brought down the dragon lady… ok, that was impressive, but I think that we have a really big scaling problem here. She face tanked that attack because she was… well… a friggin dragon. That is not the same as Dimitri´s tanking that attack. Maybe during his fight against the enemy that used that attack, the opponent never used such against him. Do we have a cinematic him receiving such attack? Do we see him surviving one of those outside of game mechanics? Yeah… I don’t think there is… so we cannot put that feat on his name, really. For all we know, he may be a glass cannon that can deal a lot more damage than he can take, and therefore being capable of damaging beings that can cause that much destruction before they can make their big attacks.
It is really a good ending but I don’t understand why dimitri wasn’t death after guts sliced him multiple times first lol . People don’t realize how high guts dimensionality is or how high the berserk cosmology since the eclipse is .
Dont worry, even the Fire Emblem fanbase thought they got this fight wrong. Scaling feats from one character to another is common in vs battles like these and while it's fine to scale Dimitri to Rhea, the victories are route dependent so saying that Dimitri is automatically stronger than Edelgard is wrong because she beats him in her route just like he beats her in his route. They technically are even and both would still lose to Guts. It should've been Professor Byleth vs Guts, not Dimitri. Byleth is stronger than all the house leaders and has the better weapon
Not really, the verdict holds up. The javelins may not have been the best way to show it but Dimitri being g able to stand up to Edelgard and Thales is a testament to how insane he is, plus he just does more in a verse that scales higher than the Berserk verse. Most people in the power scaling/vs community agree this result was correct because of that and other reasons.
The Fire Emblem fanbase is not indicative on the vs fanbase. The vs fanbase has long considered this correct as a fight and the research blogs go in depth on why the characters scale to each other considering the events of each route doesn't change enough to make characters far beyond each other.
I think the wildcard element is Byleth. Any army they join is basically guaranteed victory, so it’s hard to know who would win the war if Byleth wasn’t around, but Three Hopes makes it clear how absolutely OP the Ashen Demon is compared to everyone else, and that’s without the Sword of the Creator.
@@_-Bane-_Main It is debatable. But even if assuming that Byleth did 3/4 of the work, the Javelin scaling would still be 100s of times stronger than Guts best feats.
@@dragonmasterxyz3544 I agree, but I think Byleth is the reason that 3H scaling is so difficult. I personally think the Empire might win if Byleth wasn’t present, though Edelgard could realistically be killed if she fought the Immaculate one without Byleth. I honestly don’t know how the war would’ve gone.
This was a really well animated death battle. I do disagree with this outcome. They listed Guts as needing help by Zodd to defeat the lightning apostle, but fail to mention that Dimitri has the professor byleth, and probably 8 other allies wail on Edelgard. And depending on the difficulty, there is variables. In Edelgard route, same can be said, they needed 10 ppl to kill Rhea. Also in Edelgard route, Dimitri dies. He dies by getting trampled by "100 regular" soldiers in Claude's route..... so I'm just saying..... they didn't give these flaws to Dimitri if they're comparing every 3h routes to help enhance Dimitri's capabilities. Really strenching there with Rhea's durability and defeat by Edelgard in a different route to add in a pro to Dimitri in his own route (Rhea doesn't die in Blue House). Idk, didn't think it's fair if you can pick and choose perks from different timelines into one being and failing to consider their flaws in other routes that led to his death. Guts didn't die at all yet. Dimitri dies 3/4 times in the 3h story.
the cutscene only shows dimitri taking on edelgard, even if you want to include byleth and say dimitri only contributed 1%- that STILL puts him stronger than guts by 40x
Dimitri dies in certain routes to characters that would also fold Guts so this doesn't really hold up, not to mention all the inherent stuff they mentioned. On top of that Dimitri absolutely has the speed advantage, they just didn't scale him to stuff like Hoarfrost for the sake of argument.
@HonestOpinions4u Guts vs Nightmare came out an incredibly long time ago with different standards of research and production value. Of course they're gonna refine their work over time.
Like even assuming that 3/4 of the work was done by Byleth, you realize that Dimitri would still be hundreds of times stronger right? Not to mention that they still gave Guts the full scaling for the Lightning. They also didn't mention that the Sea God was killed from the inside. Regardless of technicalities, Guts still got the full scaling in the episode.
@skeety7883 it can't be canon as there are multiple paths that cannot happen at the same time. Also nigh every ability Lil D used were not shown to be used in game outside of gameplay.
@@shatterpointgaming215 And? Different paths doesn’t mean anything, the powers and abilities of the characters doesn’t change. And using that logic, 90% of all video game characters abilities wouldn’t be canon just because they’re not shown in cutscenes, like Cloud from Final Fantasy, or Yu from Persona. Trying to brush off Dimitri’s abilities as “non canon” just because of gameplay is dumb. If his abilities weren’t canon, they wouldn’t exist.
@skeety7883 that's the literal definition of canonicity. If they haven't in canon been shown to use the ability or feat then they aren't canon. If you want to go that route you would have contradictory feats. What they used for Dimitri is what's called composite. And if we went that route Guts would one-shot Dimitri because in his game he can one-shot enemies with his supers. That's how fictional character debates works. Would you like an example?
@@shatterpointgaming215 …Literally none of what you said is right 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. That’s not what canon is, different routes doesn’t mean the characters are any more or less powerful than in other routes, that’s not what composite means, and Guts has zero feats that support him one-shotting anything as powerful as Dimitri. You’re making yourself look bad bud, that’s not how any of this works. At all. In any way, shape or form 🤦♂️.
Honestly i love that Dimitri immediately runs off to fight demons to save the soul of a man who was milliseconds from murdering him, its exactly something he would do xD
Dang, now I need to go down that route in Fire Emblem 😂
Fun fact: There were literal horror stories among Imperial soldiers who bore witness to the carnage Dimitri left in his wake. They assumed it was some horrible demon, as they believed there was no way a human being could brutally massacre entire platoons of troops like that.
It’s kinda funny that his use as a unit matches that description. Soloing with him is fun
@@dragonstouch1042the most absurd Dimitri build I’ve used is a Wyvern Lord with the chalice of beginnings. Give him Alert Stance+ and he obliterates most maps.
@@_-Bane-_MainBattalion Wrath, Battalion Vantage, Alert stance+, Lance Prowess 5 and Lancefaire/Lance crit +10
With challice or retribution gambit and a few killer lances.
If Guts had to go down, I'm glad they did it this way. He yielded to *noone* and stood his ground, even in death.
*A legend till the end*
@@CasualCat64ouch poor Dimitri he lost to a little Girl with a. Dagger
@@MihaiLupascu-kg9ssand Guts lost to a little girl with a sword.
@@CasualCat64dude guts can't control berserk armor
@@CyberBlastoisewhich little girl? To what sword?
One thing I always love about Guts’s sword is that is actually dull. A kid was free falling into a pit and the only thing he had on hand was Dragonslayer to reach out with far enough. So he held the sword out and she grabbed it fingers first to hold onto it and while it did cut up her fingers a little, it did stop her fall and then pulled her out.
So whenever Guts cuts someone in half he’s not slicing through them, he’s hitting them so hard he’s just tearing off their upper torso.
I think calling DragonSlayer dull is a bit of a misnomer, as it implies that it was designed or was once sharp. Swords aren't normally sharp like knives are because it would just cause them to get nicks and become brittle faster. Swords get most of their sharpness from weight pressure and cutting motions while knives only have pressure and cutting motions. So with a sword as ludicrously massive as DragonSlayer you dont even really need a sharp edge, just a fine enough edge that would actually lead to a cut rather than a crush and then let the weight and pressure do all of the work.
as someone who was stabbed with a sharpie, blunt objects hurt more than sharp ones
Metal 🤘
its essentially a massive sword with an axe edge on it. not dull, just not sharp.
@@DevilSlayrIt seems that sword fighting has something to do with dragons, and only dragon knight
So yeah, at the end, Guts ran out of blood, but the Berserker Armour kept him going until the end. Dimitri probably used his slow movement ability to delay Guts' final swing. He was also strong enough to die standing up, holding his sword up, badass. The brand on Guts' neck is basically a mark giving demons ownership of Gut's soul. Griffith, when he became a demon himself, sacrificed his army to hell (literally, if you die with that brand your soul goes to hell). It also attracts demons to you like moths to a flame and they showed up at the end for Guts' soul. Dimitiri, never quite lost his sense of honour and respected Guts as a fellow warrior and felt obligated to fight to protect his soul. I am a far bigger fan of Guts, but I like Dimitri's character and this is probably the most respectful death I've seen in a Death Battle, they gave Guts a badass death and Demitri fought on to protect his soul with just his spearhead. Jonathon Joestar vs Tanjiro Kamado and Popeye vs Saitama are good if you want other 'respectful KOs'.
It also matches Dimitri’s character. He has a lot of empathy for the dead
I would claim that the recent silver surfer and martian manhunter fight is also a 'respectful KO'.
Magneto vs Tetsuo is also another 'respectful KO'.
Loved it when there is a 'respectful KO'.
They're not kidding - the Javelins of Light literally ARE ballistic missiles. "Those that slither in the dark" (that's what Thales's ilk are called) are the only people in Fodlan with modern technology.
The craziest thing is that they still consider Nemesis their ace in the hole, even refusing to let him out while Byleth raids Shambala and resorting to the javelins first. Lore-wise, Nemesis might be the single strongest person in Fodlan history aside from Seiros centuries ago.
@@_-Bane-_Mainhonestly, Dimitri IS a modern Nemesis. In design, the fact he's a warrior king, his raging attitude in his route, and both ruling over northern fodlan (Nemesis was probably the first King of Farghus or of Srengi origin).
Tho honestly still believe Guts shouldve won this match.
It isn't that Dimitri inherits Rhea's feat, and it is more that Rhea's feat gives us context on how strong Edelgard is. Rhea can survive a gigaton explosion to the face, and Edelgard can cause significant harm to Rhea with her axe. That means Edelgard has to be swinging her axe with something in the range of 100s of megatons of force or it just wouldn't do anything. Since Dimitri can fight with her without being just obliterated by that much power he has to be able to wield and take similar amounts of force.
It is actually the same argument for Guts' speed since he has never actually dodged lightning before but he has fought someone who has and he was not completely overwhelmed by the speed difference.
Which even then doesn't fully hold up. You can't really equate an explosion to someone swinging an axe with force, like Ken said different skillsets, items and etc hold up against differently against difference enemies.
Scaling wise that's how we do it and it's how we always scaled people usually but logically it doesn't really always make sense. Wolverine being able to cut Hulk's skin and Spider-Man can knock out Wolverine shouldn't equate that Spider-Man can beat Hulk.
@@JordaxioI mean you can. That happens all the time in scaling and whatnot and this is no exception. In this case it isn't that much of a difference in skillsets here. Even if cutting Rhea was hundreds of times weaker than the explosion, Dimitri would still hit far harder than Guts here. Not to mention the did the very same for Guts here with him scaling to a beast who can produce a storm over an island.
@@dragonmasterxyz3544And even that’s shaky for Guts, since he had to go inside of the thing to kill it (as opposed to outright overpowering it like the player has to do against those bosses in Fire Emblem).
@@Jordaxio Imagine going to a bomb shelter and try to break through the wall with a pickaxe. You will do some superficial damage eventually but it is going to take you a long time to actually break through the wall, despite having a much more focused tool than a bomb blast would be. It is the same concept here, Edelgard is not as strong as a Javelin but she still has to be swinging insanely hard to do be able to do more than superficial damage to Rhea. Even more so since Rhea wasn't just sitting still and letting Edelgard hit her. And that is what Dimitri scales to, he is not as strong as a Javelin but that still makes him far stronger than anything Guts has ever fought.
@@thomas9208and then you also remember that the Rhea that was hit by javelins of light was is poor health after being in captivity for 5 years and was in bad health as opposed to Rhea in Edelgard’s route who is battle ready and still gets put down. I feel like most people are forgetting that while Dimitri’s strength played a good part, it’s also the relic weapons that are mainly putting that output of power. The relics are striking with some of the strength the original Nabateans had, and we know that relics were said to be able to cut mountains. Even Claude’s relic when activated was able to put Rhea down in the end of Golden Wildfire. The piercing on that relic must be very strong when he activated its full power.
This was Fire Emblem's debut in Death Battle, and it was amazing. Also, listen to the track that went along with the fight: God's Hand.
Under the current Death Battle Rules they try to account for the characters personalities and how they are typically portrayed. The only exception being that they don't keep any aspect of their personality, attitudes or world views that would keep them from killing their opponent. In the old days they gave no consideration to the characters's personalities.
Except one of their earlier Death Battles had just that, where they had Goku give Superman a Sensu Bean so he could fight him at full strength.
@@imaran1303 that was during the time that they started factoring in personality.
This death battle was really good, even if my boy Guts lost :(
Yall should check out more Fire Emblem, its a really interesting franchise!
Yeah it's a really interesting franchise about basically anime medieval fantasy turn based
Anyways I still think I should have guts should have won but I'm fine with
Pretty Epic Fight all around, Totally Knocks Guts vs Nightmare out of the park I would DARE say.
"Despite the ending" DESPITE?
You're crazy that's an amazing ending
I hope check out more Fire Emblem. It’s a little hard to react to things for Fire Emblem since most of the game is t cutscenes but I’d react to 3 houses support conversations. Also Dimitri didn’t inherit Rhea’s feats although I understand the confusion. Dimitri can fight on par to Rhea(the lady that tanked the javelins of light) since in his route he beats edlegard who defeats Rhea in her route. Power scaling is weird and confusing sometimes.
Honestly I think a good reaction could be them reacting to every playable character’s death quote
If you want to see more of Guts, I'd suggest reacting to the supers from Berserk and the Band of the Hawk, as well as the classic 90s Berserk anime and the Berserk: Golden Age Arc trilogy of movies.
Fun fact for Ken and Bethany--Guts here was voiced by Xander Mobus, who's been in Death Battle before, was Deadpool for Team Fourstar's Cell Vs series, and is the announcer in Super Smash Bros, who they use a clip of in this episode when Byleth is first mentioned. Oh yeah and the reason that they said Byleth is everyone's favorite is because people HATED their inclusion. Even Fire Emblem fans. Edelgard had a big support behind her, but Byleth is kinda just there. So Byleth's trailer is the most disliked official Smash video.
Another fun fact, two more popular Fire Emblem matchups are against Pokemon characters. Know how they mentioned the head of the Church of Seros, Rhea, and that she can turn into a dragon? Yeah people want her to fight the Plasma boss Ghetsis (he's human but he commands powerful dragons including one that's the embodiment of Wuji, the void). Another is Lucina, a time traveling heroine from a previous FE game, versus Grovyle from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series, a time traveling hero.
The nuke math is a weird one. But what they're saying, is if the dragon can survive 2 of them, then it takes MORE power than that for edelgard to actually kill the dragon. And if Dimitri is just as powerful if not more than edelgard then he is also more powerful then the nukes. Basically Nukes
so fleche, a girl with a dagger > dimitri>> nuke
@@mihaimercenarul7467 I don't remember fleche ever killing Dimitri or ever having a feat to compare her strength. Even so, whatever force Dimitri is able to withstand from fleche is irrelevant to his own power. That's why rhea is important
nope, rhea feat has nothing to do with dimitri. Yet fleche almost killing dimitri with a dagger shows his durability more than using a stupid assumption with rhea surviving two small blasts from javelin of lights that has nothing to do with dimitri.@@ctrlaltsimp3667
also rhea getting killed by a relic weapon is like scaling a thief to superman cuz he beat him with a kryptonite axe@@ctrlaltsimp3667
@@mihaimercenarul7467 good to see you old friend, glad to see you still haven't grasped edelgard>rhea + Dimitri>Edelgard = Dimitri>>Rhea
The fight between guts and dimitri is really good especially at the end when dimitri went to save guts which is really awesome👍🏾
So what happened is this:
The Berserker armor allows Guts to push beyond all his limits until HIS LAST DROP OF BLOOD has been spilled despite the fact that he was already dead, but he ran out of blood before he had any chance to land a finishing blow, to Dimitri, Guts' brand it's a sign for a special demon to come and drag his soul into hell, because of that brand. But Dimitri undertanding and respects that Guts is someone tormented by demons, just like him thus decides to protect Guts......... “You demons will not have his soul” is unironically one of the nicest things anyone could do for Guts soul at least peace for once in his life.
People wanted Guts return for so long, and Dimitri from Fire Emblem Three Houses was the perfect match for him........ This is one the most wanted matches to happen and they didnt disapointed.
There's no way Guts should have lost. So yes, it did disappoint. The fact of the matter is that they don't want Guts to just win every matchup he's in, so they gifted it to Dimitri. Guts scales way higher than Dimitri does.
Perfect match you mean perfect counter for Guts once i saw how much bullshit abilitys Dimitri has that perfectly counter Guts in every way i knew Guts wouldn't win this fight, don't get me wrong i love the fight and the ending but this ain't a fair fight.Its like if you were to put the strongest Genshin impact character vs the strongest character from Kingdom manga and anime and call it a fair fight.
I believe the character scaling based on other character's feats are mostly done when they are similar characters that are meant to be similar.
For example if we have examples of Vegeta being able to do something, then we can relatively fairly say that Goku is capable of similar feats.
This is what DeathBattle typically does, but you are right, DB certainly does get some things wrong. By no means are they somekind of law, or anything. They make a loooot of mistakes.
Here Dimitri's scaling was done in a very similar fashion, he wasn't scaled based on characters he beat, he was scaled based on characters that are estimated to be of similar strength and background.
Man these two need a hug.
dimitri is incredibly strong thanks to his crest he even snapped a soldier's neck with one hand as for his mental state there is a reason why he is called the boar from his childhood friend and fellow blue lions member felix he once striked down a rebellion and he wouldn't stop trying to kill edelgard until rodrique and byleth helped him get a handle on things
He didn't snap that guy's neck. He crushed his skull, helmet included.
Regarding your Last Sentence, well it does kind of mean that thing!
If someone can basically Take Two Nukes to the Face at the Same time and Survive, that same Person usually won't go down Against just any ordinary Swordsman! So the Fact that Edelgard managed to Wound and Defeat her with an Axe, means that Edelgard must have had more Force in her Attack's than said Javelin's, otherwise the Attack would barely do anything to Rhea, let alone kill her! And Dimitri even Faced an Version of Edelgard that was Basically on Steroids and even Stronger than her usual Self, which makes it even more Impressive that Dimitri could hold his own Against her and even Defeat her and it Certainly Proves that his Strength is Significantly higher than Anything Guts had!
That's usually how Scaling Works! If Someone (Character A) let's say defeats an Character that has Actual Feats of Destroying an Universe (Character B) then that Automatically elevates said Character to Universal Level themself (Most likely Even Higher, Depending on how Equal they were in strength) and if Another Guy Shows up (Character C) and Defeats this New Universal Character, then that Elevates him automatically Higher than Both of them Since Character C basically Managed what Character A couldn't
So fleche, Girl with a small dagger îs stronger than a nuke, cuz she almost killed Dimitri and înjured him. No, Dimitri can't tank a nuke. Also edelgard only killed a weakened rhea with a relic weapon, which was stated by rhea that relic weapons are like kryptonite to her, they can hurt her without needing much force. Just the relic and The crest. So that doesn't scale anything.
Also hegemon edekgard was weaker, slower and made her more vulnerable to relic weapons. It was already stated that nornal edelgard was stronger and less vulnerable than her monster form. Use your brain, Dimitri simply doesn't have any feats that puts him above guts.
First time FE is in this show.
Fun fact about me berserk was the first manga I ever read and I love it I’m sad the creator died
Yeah the fact that Dimitri had seal movement and sword breaker. Plus he had a Lance which in fire emblem beats swords. I kind of expected Dimitri to win. Guts would have had to have been tremendously stronger and faster than demetri to pull it off. Do I pretty much gave Dimitri every skill possible that he would need to win against guts.
Guts does not exist in Fire Emblem rules, weapon triangle has no bearing on him.
The weapon triangle doesn't exist in 3 houses, but Dimitri having Sword Breaker makes up for that.
Also piercing armour
So I was hoping for Guts vs Clare from Claymore in all honesty. While I am disappointed that now we'll have to wait months at minimum just to see Guts fight again, I do think this battle was a BEAUTIFUL alternative to that, and I am satisfied with it from top to bottom :)
Now that you’ve watched this, honestly id love to see you guys react to Fire Emblem stuff! It would be, idk I guess hard to react to Three Houses content because of the different routes BUT, It would be really nice to see you guys learn more about people like Dimitri and Edelgard, hell even Claude! Its super fun so id love to see you guys check it out
Best fight of this season.
worst
@@mihaimercenarul7467bro ant man vs atom is right there
yup, that one was pretty good@@owenbridgers
Berserk 1997 is definitely worth the watch
Personally, the one part of Berserk I'll always hate is how they wasted a perfectly strong, empowered female character just for shock and to be a tool of Guts' development. If Bethany ever watches Berserk, I hope she's prepared to be deeply disappointed going forward, since we both share a penchant for female characters who break the mold.
Sure, future female characters show up, but they're all in checkbox roles like mages and healers, not quite as hard hitting as the warrior and commander Casca.
You do know that the Manga isn't finished yet, right?@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 Yeah, if they read the manga taking place after the Eclipse, I can't help but imagine Bethany is not gonna be very fond on the portrayal of Casca, during much of the journey before she regained her sanity, of her being left as a broken shell with the mentality of an infant that mostly can't defend herself (though, there are rare exceptions where she shows signs she's still capable of killing anyone by herself when push comes to shove) which forces Guts (and his new friends) to keep her safe. And yeah, other female characters aren't anything like Casca as a female warrior and commander where they tend to pose as mages and healers or minor fighters that, while badass, wouldn't stand a chance against demonic foes that could easily kill a normal human. Even the female demons (AKA Apostles) themselves that are normally more powerful and deadly than normal humans are either minor characters or outright canon fodder for Guts to murder. And don't get me started on poor Princess Charlotte.
Though, there are still some exceptions of a female Berserk character in the manga that serves as a pretty powerful and deadly adversary against Guts and anyone else. There's Rosine during the Conviction arc where she's an Apostle and perhaps one of the hardest foes Guts has ever faced before he had the Berserker Armor while we also have the only female God Hand that is Slan and she's pretty much the most powerful female character in the series alongside her other fellow God Hand members which includes Griffith/Femto. And there's also Flora, while not having a lot of time to shine, was a pretty powerful and wise witch.
@@CB-eo6xo
Honestly, you nailed it perfectly for me. I think its just a shame how Miura chose to handle her at the time. Its just...so convenient that of the three, Casca's the one who is affected in such a way that she's infantilized and shattered and with almost no agency, barring her remnant kickass skills.
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 I mean, everyone handles trauma much differently but it's admittedly a tad bit absurd that of all the three survivors (Guts, Casca, and technically Rickert since he wasn't there and didn't get branded) of the Band of the Hawk during the Eclipse, Casca took it the worst while Guts, traumatized in his own right, is fairly not as bad in comparison and is still capable of murdering demons on his own regardless of losing his eye and arm.
Heck, even AFTER she recovered her sanity, poor Casca still suffers major PTSD that even THINKING about the event of the Eclipse or looking at Guts face puts her in a serious panic attack.... and than Griffith/Femto comes in and takes her away not too long after that....
"I'm still standing" moment in death battle history
I went for Dimitri because he is a spear user and they don’t get enough love
Huh, pretty much Might of Will and Mechanics vs Will and Magic.
Martian Manhunter vs Silver is already out by the way, can’t wait for that one.
Also, I highly suggest checking out Death Battle Cast, that can also be pretty interesting.
Their release schedule has them posting the Friday after the following Death Battle is released. So they will post a reaction to a different Death Battle next Friday and the one after that will be MM vs SS.
@@thomas9208 I see, good to know.
i was so angry that guts lost tbh. berserk is my favorite piece of fiction and i hate to see him die. but it was a fair outcome. i do like how he died, regardless of whether or not i like that he died at all.
Actually, his professors saved everyone that he/she could recruit into the blue lion house. If given the chance.
pretty sure dimitri is the newestr character in this shows history, with his game being released in 2019, taking the crown from spider-gwen in 2014.
that is literally all i know about him
Welp, gotta keep the tradition. Saitama Vs Popeye next?
I'm surprised you two haven't watched the vegeta vs thor death battle
They probably want to catch up on Kai before seeing it.
Cause it's trash
It would be so cool if you guys reacted to Fire Emblem: Three Houses or Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes content! Like friendship bonds for example.
Would love them to watch the Supports and stuff, though they’d need some added context for some
@@owenbridgers Exactly!
I agree with this statement
So the dragonslayer can break the weapon but only does it at the end? Hmm....
For dramatic effect 🙂
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 there is a reason actually! in fire emblem weapons have durability that wears down over the course of a battle- in this case his lance has 20 uses. If you count each exchange dimitri uses his lance 20 times- meaning it breaks on the last one!
Don't think you've done Weiss vs Mitsuru. I'd suggest it if that's so. Red vs Blue is also nice.
The track for this fight, God's Hand, slaps so hard.
Also, Optimus Prime vs Gundam next pls.
I am so sad Berserk won't ever be finished.. atleast by Kentaro Miura :(
Guts is my favorite protagonist of all time. He is absolutely badass but also there is so much depth to his character
In all honesty they would be friends and get a beer
Died standing up. Only one other person has been granted a death as epic as that.
Cú Chulainn?
@@runedoom Whitebeard
and the berserk manga doesn't have a full-ending yet. I hope that guts get some power-up so next time I see this, I definitely assume guts will win... (if berserk manga gonna continue)
A MAD RESPECT FOR DIMITRI!!!💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
I appreciate you betting on Guts. I already knew he lost and still would have bet on him too.
Its time!
No, they actually made us think he wasn't dead when he was 🤣
Another Friday without Hercules vs Son Wukong
Please do Martian manhunter vs silver surfer next it’s a good battle
Based on their release pattern they will do it in two weeks.
And bring some tissues
Well this was a rough one in the death battle comments
This was a reaction and do Martian vs Silver surfer next.
video game characters are normally more overpowered than anime characters
I would love maybe next Friday you guys can watch the Live action Death battles DAREDEVIL VS NIGHTWING PLZ LOL!!!
Still dont agree with this one but it was a great animation.
Say, have you noticed my Comment regarding the Bosses of Ultimate Ninja Storm 2? Just want make sure.
Y'all should do Deku vs. Asta next time
The Lion defeats The Dragon.
the other way around
@@mihaimercenarul7467 Indeed?
Guts' animal motif is a dog, not a dragon, pal.
Guts is peak of masculinity. No debate
Dimitri is actually that strong in lore? I just turned him into dancer in my playthrough lolololol
lore wise he's genuinely scary and more than a match for any of the demonic beasts lmao
Fire emblem is underrated in power
Struggle till the end struggler
An Bethany got it they run them like sims past the old battles so rather than research an determine they run multiple to see who wins most
please REACT TO BERSESRK 1997
its a shame to be spoiled by these death battles regarding one of the greatest anime series of all time
If you thought guts and dimitri had it bad, watch martian manhunter vs silver surfer and see.
I didn't expect to cry during character analysis but I did
I normally dont go against their outcomes but i sort of agree with Ken on this one, the whole Dimitri beat Edelgard who beat Rhea...eh it doesnt really add up. Just because Edelgard beat Rhea DOESN'T mean that Dimitri had that same level of power; so for me personally...that felt reaching as a way to justify how Dimitri could win, i'll say the same thing about Guts and the Sea god....that number they put out there was a level of power that the SEA GOD put out...not Guts...to which i'll say again should not have been a factor (especially since Guts killed it from the inside).
one of the few times is disagree
it does though. edelgard can damage rhea and kill rhea who took that force- and dimitri DIRECTLY overpowers an even more beefed up version of edelgard- meaning his blows have to be at least in the same ballpark as the javelin feat
@rollthedyce7578 Edelgard being able to deal big damage does not equate to Edelgard being able to tank big damage.
@@FuckUA-camAndGoogle the calc wasn't for tanking damage, it was dishing damage out. Because edelgard killed rhea while the nukes couldn't, so she should be capable of a similar amount of force at least- and dimitri overpowers her putting him above that.
@@FranTheNerd Those 2 things don't even exist in the same continuity, there's nothing to suggest Edelgard is that strong in the Blue Lions route, hence her death in that route and Dimitri's death in the Black Eagles route.
@@FuckUA-camAndGoogle yes, there's evidence she's even stronger. Considering those that slither in the dark thought hegemon edelgard would be better to kill dimitri than the javelins of light.
Still waiting on Thor vs Vegeta.
I haven't even read Berserk but damn this seems like a pretty unfair matchup lmao
Well nvm I expected Guts to win by a longshot here
@@antiproductive4131Berserk armor not only consumes the user's blood, but also devours the user's mental state. Guts cannot cope with this situation. Schierke must enter his body to stabilize his mental state. Don't think that Guts beat SeaGod on his own. That's when Schierke is ready to enter his body before he can fight.
Fun fact: Berserk is the greatest piece of media to have ever been created.
Still a little iffy about the result, but it was still a cool fight.
And hey. 1 win for Fire Emblem.
With how they scaled Dimitri's speed by dodging Meteor, they low-balled it. By using this method, Dimitri could also dodge Bolting (a lightning attack which would put him on Guts' speed) and Aura (literal beams of light meaning he could far exceed Guts)
Dimitri a nice guy?😂😂😂😢😢Trust me. I played Fire Emblem and Dimitri is not some regular nice guy, a good person, but not a nice guy. Death Battle omitted a lot of information on Dimitri's part. The only reason he's so nice in the game is because he's trying to fix himself and the reason he joins the Officer's Academy in the first place was to incite revenge on whoever was truly responsible for both the Faerghus Kingdom's mutiny and the Tragedy of Duscur, which is a racially motivated genocide. Think the Rosewood Massacre of 1923 or the movie based on it, but far more brutal. Racism is one of the themes of the game and was a strong motivator for the massacre (and yet Dimitri still vowed to vindicate them even in his rage, knowing from the start they had nothing to do with it. One of his close friends, Felix, as bitter and edgy as he is, constantly chews out Dimitri for being "too brutal" with one of the perpetrators before they joined the academy and after Edelgard was unmasked, Dimitri goes insane and goes on an offscreen death spree, soloing entire armies by himself for five years straight, he even tortured one commander and when your made avatar returns and they fight an Empire general, after beating him, your avatar unalives him as a mercy to what Dimitri was going to do.
I hate how they describe the Tragedy of Duscar here as “Dimitri’s Dad and some Knights”
NO! No he lost his entire Family, he lost his Friends, he lost everyone that was dear to him that day and he was powerless to stop it, he literally watched his own Father’s head get severed off, and his Step mother burned to death. Duscar fucked Dimitri up hard.
Why not try React Berserk it's just 25 episode And the best version is 1997
fire what now? this is a joke
nope, fire emblem is a great series and just scales a bit higher than beserk.
Mind u Griffith did all those awful things to Guts and Casca was because Griffith REALLY wants to have sex with Guts but Guts isint gay and Casca was like Griffith's most trusted person so seeing how these got into a relationship he felt both heartbroken and betrayed theres also the case where he had sex with a Princess in hopes to get Guts out of his head but was tortured by Her Dad in the end thus leading to him doing the Eclipse.
Time to react to some Fire Emblem content? Hopium
What’s there to react to? They’re tactical rpgs, they’d need to let’s play them.
crit quotes, crit animations, death quotes
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...Whats the point though? Its not really worth doing, and they arent made to be viewed that way. Even then, they're short as heck even when compiled.
Might aswell question why react content exists in the first place
@@simvleusen
I just think you've picked a poor choice in reaction content is all. I mean, look at Death Battle, there's several minutes of solid, fleshed out content to look at, all with context and flair.
Whats so fun about contextless death quotes that they wouldnt give a damn about without playing the game or understanding the characters?
Would make for a dull reaction too, like "oh, damn, thats sad"
Golden Dear is the best house in Fire Emblem Three House.
If by best you mean objectively the worst, then sure.
You misspelled "Blue Lions" but that's okay.
guts aint dead hes waiting for the bullshit
I would like to say that this DB… doesn´t look well researched or put together.
Let´s go part by part.
The DB crew used multiple game mechanics to establish stuff like: armor breaker, making instantly that it could bypass the Berserker armor… because yes? Sure, Dimitri´s weapon maybe could cut through the Berserker´s armor magical defense, but do not use game mechanics that are almost impossible to translate to actual fighting feats… I mean, let´s be real… if that would be the case, Guts has been cutting through heavy plate since he was… 14-15 and still in his teenager years, he killed multiple men in one slash, all using heavy plate… after falling from a cliff… and getting shot with a crossbow… and all of that with a sword that was nowhere close to his signature weapon, the Dragon Slayer. Through metal shields and armor at the same time… so that would give him that skill too? I bet it would have a nice def down percentage…
Also, Guts not only dodged lightning multiple times in a row… but when he did get hit, that lightning was stated to be powerful enough to kill multiple awaken apostles… which are bigass monsters. And Guts stood up and went to fighting again.
And by using DB own calcs, they say that Guts is at least 3 times faster than Dimitri…
Now, let´s see Dimitri´s feat. Nothing that Guts didn´t actually do while he was a kid not old enough to drink legally… And then you have that special cannon attack that brought down the dragon lady… ok, that was impressive, but I think that we have a really big scaling problem here.
She face tanked that attack because she was… well… a friggin dragon. That is not the same as Dimitri´s tanking that attack. Maybe during his fight against the enemy that used that attack, the opponent never used such against him. Do we have a cinematic him receiving such attack? Do we see him surviving one of those outside of game mechanics? Yeah… I don’t think there is… so we cannot put that feat on his name, really. For all we know, he may be a glass cannon that can deal a lot more damage than he can take, and therefore being capable of damaging beings that can cause that much destruction before they can make their big attacks.
There is *a lot* wrong with your “argument” bud.
It is really a good ending but I don’t understand why dimitri wasn’t death after guts sliced him multiple times first lol . People don’t realize how high guts dimensionality is or how high the berserk cosmology since the eclipse is .
Dimitri is deceptively durable. The man survived through some intense shit.
dimitri has taken worse hits, pretty simply. Guts is strong but not as strong as edelgard- who dimitri put down.
Dont worry, even the Fire Emblem fanbase thought they got this fight wrong. Scaling feats from one character to another is common in vs battles like these and while it's fine to scale Dimitri to Rhea, the victories are route dependent so saying that Dimitri is automatically stronger than Edelgard is wrong because she beats him in her route just like he beats her in his route. They technically are even and both would still lose to Guts. It should've been Professor Byleth vs Guts, not Dimitri. Byleth is stronger than all the house leaders and has the better weapon
Not really, the verdict holds up. The javelins may not have been the best way to show it but Dimitri being g able to stand up to Edelgard and Thales is a testament to how insane he is, plus he just does more in a verse that scales higher than the Berserk verse. Most people in the power scaling/vs community agree this result was correct because of that and other reasons.
The Fire Emblem fanbase is not indicative on the vs fanbase. The vs fanbase has long considered this correct as a fight and the research blogs go in depth on why the characters scale to each other considering the events of each route doesn't change enough to make characters far beyond each other.
I think the wildcard element is Byleth. Any army they join is basically guaranteed victory, so it’s hard to know who would win the war if Byleth wasn’t around, but Three Hopes makes it clear how absolutely OP the Ashen Demon is compared to everyone else, and that’s without the Sword of the Creator.
@@_-Bane-_Main It is debatable. But even if assuming that Byleth did 3/4 of the work, the Javelin scaling would still be 100s of times stronger than Guts best feats.
@@dragonmasterxyz3544 I agree, but I think Byleth is the reason that 3H scaling is so difficult. I personally think the Empire might win if Byleth wasn’t present, though Edelgard could realistically be killed if she fought the Immaculate one without Byleth. I honestly don’t know how the war would’ve gone.
This was a really well animated death battle. I do disagree with this outcome. They listed Guts as needing help by Zodd to defeat the lightning apostle, but fail to mention that Dimitri has the professor byleth, and probably 8 other allies wail on Edelgard. And depending on the difficulty, there is variables. In Edelgard route, same can be said, they needed 10 ppl to kill Rhea. Also in Edelgard route, Dimitri dies. He dies by getting trampled by "100 regular" soldiers in Claude's route..... so I'm just saying..... they didn't give these flaws to Dimitri if they're comparing every 3h routes to help enhance Dimitri's capabilities. Really strenching there with Rhea's durability and defeat by Edelgard in a different route to add in a pro to Dimitri in his own route (Rhea doesn't die in Blue House). Idk, didn't think it's fair if you can pick and choose perks from different timelines into one being and failing to consider their flaws in other routes that led to his death.
Guts didn't die at all yet.
Dimitri dies 3/4 times in the 3h story.
the cutscene only shows dimitri taking on edelgard, even if you want to include byleth and say dimitri only contributed 1%- that STILL puts him stronger than guts by 40x
Not to mention the slight inconsistencies DB had between this one and their knightmare episode
Dimitri dies in certain routes to characters that would also fold Guts so this doesn't really hold up, not to mention all the inherent stuff they mentioned. On top of that Dimitri absolutely has the speed advantage, they just didn't scale him to stuff like Hoarfrost for the sake of argument.
@HonestOpinions4u Guts vs Nightmare came out an incredibly long time ago with different standards of research and production value. Of course they're gonna refine their work over time.
Like even assuming that 3/4 of the work was done by Byleth, you realize that Dimitri would still be hundreds of times stronger right?
Not to mention that they still gave Guts the full scaling for the Lightning. They also didn't mention that the Sea God was killed from the inside. Regardless of technicalities, Guts still got the full scaling in the episode.
One of the few Death Battles I wholeheartedly disagree with. And only due to them using non canon game mechanics.
…Except they didn’t lol. Everything they used is canon.
@skeety7883 it can't be canon as there are multiple paths that cannot happen at the same time. Also nigh every ability Lil D used were not shown to be used in game outside of gameplay.
@@shatterpointgaming215 And? Different paths doesn’t mean anything, the powers and abilities of the characters doesn’t change. And using that logic, 90% of all video game characters abilities wouldn’t be canon just because they’re not shown in cutscenes, like Cloud from Final Fantasy, or Yu from Persona. Trying to brush off Dimitri’s abilities as “non canon” just because of gameplay is dumb. If his abilities weren’t canon, they wouldn’t exist.
@skeety7883 that's the literal definition of canonicity. If they haven't in canon been shown to use the ability or feat then they aren't canon. If you want to go that route you would have contradictory feats. What they used for Dimitri is what's called composite. And if we went that route Guts would one-shot Dimitri because in his game he can one-shot enemies with his supers. That's how fictional character debates works. Would you like an example?
@@shatterpointgaming215 …Literally none of what you said is right 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. That’s not what canon is, different routes doesn’t mean the characters are any more or less powerful than in other routes, that’s not what composite means, and Guts has zero feats that support him one-shotting anything as powerful as Dimitri. You’re making yourself look bad bud, that’s not how any of this works. At all. In any way, shape or form 🤦♂️.
Guts won through fighting will
Guts is all here for ,that other (dont care who of what that is)