If Kirat ever reads this - If it wasn't for the Netflix documentary I would have never known your story and I would have never looked into the podcast and all these interviews which gives more information and understanding. So even though you're disappointed, I would say there is a silver lining!
Anyone else think Indy and Dr seem to be enabling her victim mentality instead of calling out the inconsistencies in her story? She actually is still living in a victim mentality. Delusional again. You’re “disappointed” that a man who owes you nothing is not joining up with you in your fight? Only a delusional person would have expectations from the real Bobby. Real Bobby has his own real family to prioritize and the poor guy has a child with special needs to take care of. I just can’t get over the level of delusion this woman is living in!
from my point of view i could see real bobby only wanting to help because he was completely impersonated and his entire family was too , which is extremely scary and weird for him and his family to deal with as well. but other than that , it is really weird kirat expected him to help her considering he has no idea who she is.
Look up Renae Marsden. She was a victim of catfishing in Australia and committed suicide in 2013. There was a coronial inquest on it. Catfishing should be a serious crime, those who blame the victim or think it wasn’t a big deal, people actually die over this, the psychological impact is immense. The laws need to change to protect people and punish the perpetrator.
I don't understand anyone would at least do a video call? For 10 years she was okay with not even having a video call. I think loneliness and wanting to get married got the best of her. Simran was enjoying the more she was getting response from her.
Exactlyyyyyyy. Like yes catfishing is so wrong and she was violated... but ...the internet isn't safe... don't be here if you're not aware of that. It's SO EASY to avoid this. Even the old fashioned way *take a pic doing *this specific action* and holding this item. Or whatever. I've met soooo many of my ride Or dies online.
@@ofthemoon.exactlyyyy!! it baffles me how someone is comfortable with talking to someone that they only seen photos of and also how naive and gullible u have to be to keep talking to someone who u only met in person once, 9/10 years ago…
I think it was fair that Netflix asked the question about intimacy. Of course, the question was appropriate given that it’s a documentary about your “relationship”. You’re reply was a bit sus though.
I think she was because her reaction to finding out bobby wasn't real was extreme. you don't have that kind of disappointment if you haven't been through all kinds of relations with someone
She just wanted to tell the story her own way and wanted to leave certain parts out. Like who gets a documentary made about them and gets mad at questions being asked 😂
Right? She says "we don't ask people that" Well no not the person standing in front of you at the grocery store but you were being INTERVIEWED ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP lmao. Couldn't believe she didn't realize that was the difference...
The sex question was in context and bore relevance becus it was Simiran doing it ! If it’s private than your whole account is private but we still hearing it …and if you are trying to raise awareness to the criminal element then the the sex reference has complete relevance as it’s clearly a danger !
That exactly what I thought, it was a reasonable question, I very much sympathise with her but for her to go on to say she is logical and rational makes no sense as she had a whole relationship with someone she had never properly met for ten years
She is only logical if it comes under ‘Bobby loves me” ..what happened to the most logical thing to say to him in subsequent chats after that meet in Brighton club ??!!
Call me Victim blaming, but Kirat comes across as one of the dumbest and naive gullible person I’ve ever seen, she should consider herself lucky this was just about a fake relationship, in other scenario, she could’ve given an online scammer her bank details and lost money, Facebook marketplace is full of them
At first I was inclined to think that Kirat was gullible, leaned towards victim blaming. But after hearing more about it over the past few months, it looks like Simran was very calculated and committed to manipulating Kirat. She knew her vulnerabilities and exploited them ceaselessly to play with her emotions and mental health.
I was the same. I didn’t get how. But her cousin targeted her so well. Taking advantage of her vulnerable moments in like that she knew about and her insecurities. I honestly think Simran was psychologically invested in this. Wasting both of their lives
Why should Bobby speak to her! That’s so entitled of her to think he should contacted a weirdo / stranger. The man’s got a child and a whole life. These two girls were losers and clearly had nothing better to do.
YES AND YES! I was side eyeing her while watching the documentary. She's literally talking to a married man with a baby and asked the married man to choose her or his baby? Wth. His wife is 1000 times prettier than her. She wasted her life rejecting men that proposed to her for a married man with a baby son! She's actually a home wrecker too actually!
Khirat was the victim of a probable psychopath. I'd be very afraid to work/socialise with Simran. And I hope someone looks into her past as I wouldn't be surprised if there are other victims.
The pressure to get married is real, you want a family yourself and also you don't want to let people around you down. Especially as a south asian woman, you get older the pressure builds, it affects your mental health. I feel like her mental health was compromised when this was all happening which is why she went ahead with it for so long. You can call it desperation or her being stupid etc but we aren't in that situation to judge really.
Well yeah people can pressure you, but as you get older shouldn't you figure out a method to think for yourself and have your own boundaries and values and understanding of life? Like no one can force you into feeling bad if you don't actually allow yourself to accept what they're forcing down your throat? I do get it, because I'm brown, but she's also 30+, if she really wanted to get married she chose to go with a phantom instead of real suitors she otherwise had?
@@Newuxtremethe fantasy of Bobby (handsome, successful, social standing) was likely better than what she felt the real suitors could offer. I believe she was smitten with him early on.
I was in that situation so I’ll judge her. I’m also a Punjabi female with the same cultural pressures. Got married at 39, but wasn’t desperate nor did I throw the ability to be rational out the window! I have to admit…I don’t think someone so delusional and with no insight as to how this happened to her, should have children. She needs to get off social media as the whole world already knows her issues and focus on doing the work required to resolve her deep rooted issues so she can eventually attract someone healthy.
This girl came up to Bobby in a Brighton nightclub, and he had no clue who she was and walked away from her. Did the penny not drop ? She was skyping (Simran) and she was making tapping noises to communicate with her thinking its Bobby. Is she for real falling for this for 9 years ?
It's also sort of obvious that she had doubts throughout the whole ordeal - which is not something touched on in Netflix or the podcast. Like, she mentions she used to Google maps his location in New York and find people that worked at those locations. It sounded like she may have approached them to double-check whether they had seen or interacted with him I think she fell for this due to a variety of factors and some of the things Simran did were very smart (i.e the picking clothes bit for the child) but at the same time I do wonder whether there's some truth to the fact that they were both engaging in this fantasy while knowing to an extent that it is a fantasy
I also feel a lot of people won't understand because of the added pressures from south asian culture. Some things that are normal for south asians but may be perceived as strange to other people. Hope Kirat gets the closure she is looking for!
no south asian culture supports a 10 year fling on off relationship or marrying divorced people who father kids of another person. She was desperate for a fantasy when she had proposals from others...if she wanted kids and marriage so desperatately, but she just wanted a man with job status.
The whole story was odd, I feel for this lady but so many things didn’t make sense. Married man then divorced she was attached to a random then she was upset about him shot then witness protection.. it just felt surreal and family were sad for her talking to a random that no one knew and then he was married after and she was still talking to him. I was so baffled by it all and then witness protection and no alarm bells. I wish her well but seriously ….
I find her explanations in the last 3rd of this podcast quite revealing how far Simran went and don‘t forget that the community is very connected and everybody knows someone… it is mind boggling that S invented 60 different personalities.. I don‘t think I would have had any chance to not falling for it..
@@soulie1971 I think there were soo many chances were this whole thing should have rang alarm bells…. It’s odd never spoke to him, never seen him and it was elaborate and becoming attached to a random. I hope she moves forward from this chapter and this evil cousin gets what’s coming to her, clearly playing on an insecurity and I presume has mental,issues of her own
I want to question her on why she was speaking to a married man then that man introduces her to his wife then they become friendly after their marriage “ends” between bobby and sanj she decides to betray girl code and pursue a relationship with her friends ex husband!
@@soulie1971 if the community was so connected then why didn’t here parents or relatives hear about all of the drama happening to Bobby from any real people? I don’t think her friends and family were connected to real Bobby’s family. It just doesn’t add up. I’m part of a Punjabi community and if someone dies or something extreme happens to someone in the community, everyone is talking about it IRL not online.
"I made my family tree and Bobby was sad that he didn't have his because he's very similar to me as a person”. "he's very similar to me as a person." Yes, because his personality was created especially for you? Interesting choice of words.
She's stuck in victim mode, refusing to take accountability for the red flags SHE ignored and the choices SHE made. At some point, the "poor me" act wears thin when it's paired with zero self-reflection.
I'm sorry but did anyone notice that she told the story of her seeing Sanj differently than how she did in the netflix documentary?? It wasn't by chance or coincidental..come on now
She shouldn’t blame the Indian/brown/punjabi community for her crazy choices. She did everything the Indian community wouldn’t agree with and is now blaming them. She is a victim but of her own self. The interviewers seem to be agreeing with her to be kind.
Yeah, this is not a cultural issue , it’s a kirat issue. I’m a Punjabi female and was single up until my late 30s, but there’s no way in hell I would have believed or stuck around for all of that insane drama! Even if she thought it was all real, didn’t she for a sec consider that she would not have a stable family life with this guy who has had major health issues, was in witness protection. I mean come on!
So if it was a tight close knit community, then why didn’t anyone in her family or family friend circle hear about or talk about the crazy stuff that happened to Bobby? In my community news like that spreads like wildfire. It wouldn’t be limited to just online chatting…my parents, the aunties and uncles would be talking about it. So many unanswered questions!
@tikibombom weird that you think logic equals Simran. People with your thinking are the problem why people like Kirat feel it’s ok to ignore red flags.
says there is cultural pressure to get married, yet does a 10 year on/off relationship (from what i know that is not behaviour indian girls are encouraged to do or any girl for that matter)...then turns down all these marriage proposals...has autonomy to be in a 10 year fling, and has autonomy to reject the proposals and choose a divorced guy who can't speak who is fathering a child with another woman, not sure what that has to do with cultural pressure? She is still harking on about this 2-3 years on, she's is not well and need in depth therapy. You just cannot be in love or call someone the love of your life when you haven't properly met them. This is not normal at all. Why is she raising awareness of extreme isolated things, she thought this was a widespread issue but it is not. poor girl has no understanding of attachment or what is healthy.
There are mill of people having long-term on-line relationship. I was one of them. I used 2 years of my life before I cut itand it was really hard. I dont agree that you can't love someone online It is very easy but in the real life it is often not working as in a real life there is not that luxury of having that perfect, problem free world.
@@mikronela it is not normal to love someone you vaguely met once in a club who did not remember you. Sounds like loving an online image and persona rather than a real person, you did not speak to and typed to. Fantasy. Maybe in your case you were like most normal online relationships where you can video call, see them, hear them, unlike the situation here where she wanted to believe the drama of a man being shot etc because it is more exciting than meeting a man who does a normal 9-5 office job. It is unhealthy, unnatural to love someone in a penpal way. Your situation is different (I assume) compared to loving text messages and forgiving every single indescretion.
I haven’t even watch this Netflix doc but this Simran is in a whole level of her own. This is a mental health issue, this Simran has experienced or witnessed a serious trauma, manipulative to a whole different level. Full credit to Kirat, may wahiguru give you extra strength and kushi for the rest of your journey. Wow ❤🔥🙏🏽 Big up Indy & Dr podcast, Chak di phate 🔥🔥🔥
It feels like there is SO much more going on beneath the surface here, it would be fascinating to hear the things that are going unspoken. Kirat's fleeting allusion to a past situation that made her anxious and panicky when the police were mentioned suggests she might have fixated on people or misread situations before. Perhaps Simran honed in on that aspect of her character and used that to draw her in. Certainly talking to a man you believe to be in a first and then second marriage while you are purportedly in your own long-term relationship is iffy, while Kirat now downplaying Bobby's importance to her in those early years is unconvincing. Simran is obviously a manipulative and obsessive nutjob who will continue to repeat and escalate these behaviours throughout her life but there are some really peculiar dynamics going on with Kirat too. Maybe getting support for this upset will inadvertently lead to her gaining some insight into her own issues.
I watched this yesterday and I can’t believe that anyone would fall for this. Just the fact that Bobby was supposed to be on witness protection program in the NY! 😂😂😂 Girl…
This whole story is crazy and it's sad to see how much of it Kirat believed. I don't think it's fair to victim blame, but I wonder if Kirat ever thinks that she was far too gullible and should have maybe questioned things more? Either way i hope she finally finds some peace❤
YES AND YES! I was side eyeing her while watching the documentary. She's literally talking to a married man with a baby and asked the married man to choose her or his baby? Wth. His wife is 1000 times prettier than her. She wasted her life rejecting men that proposed to her for a married man with a baby son! She's actually a home wrecker too actually!
The story is wild and Simran should be make accountable for what she did... but, it creeps me out when she speaks of Bobby as if they DID had a real relationship, and I know it was real for her at the momment, but she stills refers as if he had say or done some things or had some sort of connection with her... and the real Bobby refers to her in the doc as "this lady". It is so unfair for him & his family that this woman talks as she was part os his life
I didn't think about it from that perspective! I can see why the local authorities took the view that the real Bobby and his wife etc were the actual victims.
Honestly I think she refers to him in that way out of pure embarrassment because if she starts saying my cousin simran it would make it even more real to her. Also it would sound even crazier to the listeners. Even thou we know that’s the situation…..just my 2 cents
@@richlove8375 yeah, i get that she does that when telling her story. But after revealing that it wasn't him, its weird that she still says things like: "Bobby told me this", "Bobby promised me this". We all know it wasn't him. She could say: "Fake Bobby" or "This character". Or even say "I was told this" or "I was promised this"
she thought it was him for 10 yrs, a huge chunk of her life, she's way more the victim then Simran and of course shes going to tell her story with "bobby" because thats who she thought she was speaking too
She wants desperately to blame her behavior on the pressures that south Asian families put on you to get married. But it makes no sense because her actions actually went AGAINST her getting married and more so leaned towards her subconsciously avoiding marriage. I think that’s something she should explore with a licensed clinical psychotherapist. A woman desperate for marriage doesn’t get strung along for 18 years by a man. She also doesn’t jump down this strange rabbit hole with someone that didn’t even recognize her when she saw him at a club and notices he never mentions it. Instead she would have been on dating apps getting love bombed and married too quickly to anyone that would have her scammer be damned. Her actions line up with someone that isn’t actually emotionally available for actual intimacy and love. That’s why she always took her ex back and did the dance with him so long. Deep down she knew he wouldn’t commit but it was an excuse. Deep down she knew Bobby’s story was BS that’s why she didn’t question things or research. Witness protection? Girl you knew damned well. There is something else keeping her in this cycle. Maybe she is actually lesbian and suppressing it because it’s frowned upon in their culture, maybe her cousin simran knows something we don’t. It doesn’t have to be that of course, there are many reasons people do things to avoid real intimacy and it could be something as simple as having had her ❤ broken in middle school or rejection. I also think she deep down knew simran was complicit and that’s why she was willing to go along with her insistence. She is an extremely avoidant person. She let herself use Bobby to avoid self care and responsibilities in life to the point she had dark circles and was losing weight.
Jumping in this bandwagon! Kirath seems like a lovely warm “salt of the earth” person. I feel terrible for her not receiving full justice. I commend her for taking this public. Hosts keep talking over her! I hope that she receives legal support to take Simran down. She should open her own UA-cam channel. Simran needs locking up. Exposing
Wow! Even though I saw so many red flags from the beginning, my heart still breaks for Kirat. So frightening for Bobby and his wife too. The cousin made a full-time job out of terrorizing her cousin, it’s beyond imagination. Laws need to be put in place to protect people from this but also to prosecute the perpetrators. Kirat is brave for taking on the potential shame and ridicule to share her story for the protection of others. ❤️🇨🇦
I'm sorry, but this woman was plain desperate. I mean how can you keep a close bond with someone for nearly 10 years (even friendship) without seeing someone face to face (date, video meeting etc.)? Even with his friends she met 'online', people would think that over time they would have coffee together in person or some sort of 'meet up'. She even mentioned she saw the 'real' Bobby early on and he didn't recognise her. It's really hard to have empathy for her.
Wait, why were consultants talking to her? Was she next of kin? Is Facebook the standard method of communication for people in witness protection programs?
Kirad is just dumb and needs to stop sharing she was in a relationship because she wasn’t and it was her business to ask her if she was intimate since Kirad is the one going on about it lol it’s a fair question!!
YES AND YES! I was side eyeing her while watching the documentary. She's literally talking to a married man with a baby and asked the married man to choose her or his baby? Wth. His wife is 1000 times prettier than her. She wasted her life rejecting men that proposed to her for a married man with a baby son! She's actually a home wrecker too actually!
I want to question her on why she was speaking to a married man. Then that man introduces her to his wife then they become friendly after their marriage “ends” between bobby and sanj she decides to betray girl code and pursue a relationship with her friends ex husband!
YES AND YES! I was side eyeing her while watching the documentary. She's literally talking to a married man with a baby and asked the married man to choose her or his baby? Wth. His wife is 1000 times prettier than her. She wasted her life rejecting men that proposed to her for a married man with a baby son! She's actually a home wrecker too actually!
And she said in the documentary that she was in a commited relationship herself. I am surprised that her pushy "community" had nothing to say about that? On & off with that one too. Seems like a pattern. On & off without proper commitment just head in the clouds.
I watched the documentary and felt a mix of emotions. The way she keeps referring to Bobby as someone she had a relationship within this podcast is perplexing. Why would Bobby, who has no connection to her cause, help her? This raises questions about her perspective. It’s clear that she needs to take full responsibility for her situation and move on. The reality is that she never had a relationship with Bobby. The whole story doesn't add up, married man, in hospital, death bed, gets ex-wife pregnant, has child, suspected liar. She still love him? She choose that. The true victims here are Bobby and Sanj.
They’re all victims. Bobby and Sanj had their identities stolen and Kirat literally lived a lie for years because of the elaborate web that Simran created. She keeps referring to Bobby as someone she had a relationship because that was her actual lived experience. Listen to the podcast, it does better job than the Netflix documentary at emphasising just how elaborate the lies Simran told were. Also to the podcast hosts - you guys were amazing. Please tell Kirat how many people think she’s brave and amazing ❤️
@@gulmeenay What do you mean? She now knows it wasn't him, so she should not refer to him as if she has any connection because she doesn't! He has nothing to do with this mess. Why should Bobby help her? I do agree she needs help. Put yourself in Sanj’s shoes. How would you feel? Random strangers making all accusations against your husband and also referring to your child as a stepson. Crazy.
She knows now that is wasn’t him but that does not take away everything that she lived through all those years. If you can’t see that you have very little empathy and that’s just sad.
@@gulmeenay It's not about not being empathetic. I did feel for her. But she has not moved on, even after knowing the truth. She is still referring to him as something. She will not be able to move forward, which makes me wonder if she is doing a lot of this to herself.
I agree with what you’re saying on the sense that for her personally it would be best to put this behind her. But I think you might be underestimating how difficult that might actually be because the perpetrator is her cousin who doesn’t care, like basically her sister, pretending to be romantically involved with her for years and years. It’d be a lot easier to move on if it was a random act of cruelty. I know people who deal with life long trauma for being betrayed for a lot less by a loved one (money or property). Imagine your same sex cousin or sibling, pretending to be your future partner for years. The thought just makes my stomach turn. It would mess up most people for very long. Ofcourse she was naive in some sense, but people raised to be ignorant in romantic relationships are vulnerable to these circumstances. She is trying to raise awareness in a conservative community. Her own dad doesn’t even want to talk to her about it. How do you even begin healing in that environment.
Upon listening to the podcast I immediately knew that there is a lot of cultural context that laypeople may not understand. I will continue to consume more Desi content in the hopes of clearing it all up. Theres also elements of this case related to the larger internet culture that the families themselves may not understand. Very complex and terrifying case, and the missing pieces just make it even more compelling.
I'm really disgusted at the justice system. How could they fail to investigate this case properly? This shows that the West is all talk but pathetically worse in serving justice to people like kirat. And simran is psychopath. Needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for whoever is simran's partner. They're with someone who has zero feelings about other human beings.
the untold story on Netflix is the phone sex and masturbation over skype with her cousin and that Simran gave her £2000 in compensation. Simran is a lesbian and Kirat relationship with Bobby would have lasted 9 days not 9 years if he was a supermarket worker instead of a doctor
If I had been lied to so cheekily over such a long period and had been so stupid as to believe the existence of sweet Bobby, I would be ashamed of myself. But this victim makes a podcast and a Netflix film out of it. I don't believe a single word.
Yeah seems like she wanting to get famous from This. Who knows what is true. Sometimes it feels as though it’s a made up story to get on a Netflix show
I was catfished by this gorgeous doctor that looked like a model. I was in my late teens, it took me 3 days to release this was a catfish, she was my age now when her catfishing started. Like she knew his family couldn’t she asked one of his cousins I’m sure it would of got back to him. When she met him in real life he didn’t act like he knew her, that would be a major red flag I would have taken him outside to speak. She was extremely vulnerable and believed the lies because the truth was so much more painful.
Here she's saying she treated Bobby's son as her own cos she knew she couldnt have kids. In netflix, she said will I ever be a mum, its a big question mark. So some parts of her story are not consistent
As much as I feel bad for Kirat, let's not kid ourselves in thinking she wasn't at fault for some of this stuff. Yes we can feel bad for her but by no means was she innocent. By some miracle the universe puts you and the supposed man you're talking to randomly in the same building and you go up to him and say hello and he says I don't know you and you brush that off? 😡Why wasn't her alarm bells ringing that's what I don't understand. She was so engrossed in the thought of wanting to find a husband/get married that she overlooked even the most obvious and alarming red flags. The fact that Simran was navigating through her life pretending to be 15+ other people for almost a decade is the most impressive part of the story 🤣
I’m Glad she is going to the gym etc I hate his the community judges her against the perfect couple Bobby and sanj. She may not be a doctor but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve a Bobby. Hosts don’t relate to her as they are married. She is single and thats why the community refuses to relate to her. Such a tough scenario and Simran needs to be punished fully. The community needs to stop protecting her.
@@KiniKikoaccording to the sweet bobby podcast - Simran had gotten engaged and had a hen party. Whether the marriage went ahead, who knows? I hope her husband/fiance reconsiders. Feels so unfair for her to get her happy ending when she denied kirat hers.
@@MT-nf1ls it didn’t go ahead. I think Simran is active creating false accounts on Reddit to put down Kirat. After listening to the podcast it’s evil and calculated what Simran did. Her family seem to support her. She needs locking up and her face exposed. She even accused Kirath of grooming her.
She’s disappointed a man she’s never actually spoken to should be reaching out to her? Kiran, you’re a sweet person, but what the hell? This has nothing to do with him, be around your loved ones don’t project onto Bobby who did nothing wrong.
@@glow2500 It would be downright impossible for the family to not know. Like literally impossible. Someone or the other from extended friends and family from the guys side would inform them. And if they still proceed, good riddance to them both. Survival of the fittest.
She’s now officially in a twilight zone where she cannot distinguish between reality and the virtual world …Kirat your research into trials helped Simran write your next chapter in your ridiculous journey ..take time to think about this
Still makes no sense how she has ended up in this situation! The whole situation is a mess and the cousin needs help to understand why she’s got multiple personalities. Kiran I hope she find her one and eventually can let go of this
I feel for her, but she should have spoken to her family involved her dad he would have found out straight away. 10 years is a long time without seeing someone. Imagine if she didn't hire a private investigator. I would have thought simran could be prosecuted as she used at least Bobby and sanj's photos and the baby's I assume the reason she wasn't due to a money element. But still I would assume they could put in a case.
Kirat You should disclose the photo of the perpetrator ! As a moral and ethical obligation to protect other victims ! And from science point of view, and empiric knowledge - most likely it is the perpetrator's family's fault - their parents and grandparents -for what it looks as their sociopathic behavior ! The personality is mainly form due to the up-bringing and the emotional support or lack of it from the parents to the child !
A photo of her is all over the internet, from when she got a promotion at the bank she worked for a year or so before she was outed. She's tried to wipe all the internet photos, but that one has been shared and re-shared so many times she'll never be able to get rid of it. It's no secret.
I think there's a difference between knowing someone for 10 days and know someone for 10 years. You would at least see who the person was and speak with them on the phone. And generalising the asian community for putting people down makes so sense at all. Not every asian in the UK is part of the same community. It's those communities that don't teach their kids to become independent and learn about the outside world.
There is so much from the documentary, the podcast and the interviews that does not correlate in her story. She has said numerous times in interviews and in the podcast that the reason Bobby approached her was because his younger brother JJ had died and that he was in a relationship with Simran… in this she says something different and that she met Bobby on Facebook before simran went out with JJ… The presenters are so dumb for not asking about JJ and that story about him being dead lol (he’s not dead) And also reason for making the documentary was simple… MONEY
They didn't ask her about the school girl comment made by Simran. Why didn't they speculate as to what Kiran thinks Simran is referring to from their childhood?
This girl has a warped view of what it means to “know” someone! Meeting Bobby’s dad’s sister at a funeral doesn’t mean you know her or Bobby or the family! You guys are not “connected” at all. Hence why you didn’t even know the most BASIC info about him: which city he is based and his job!
It's v sad what she went through but yes still it's v hard to belive this continued as long as this continued ,I guess we need to do more making our daughters aware of such
Yes, why would you befriend and talk to a married man in the first place? You can talk to people at parties, events or even for business connections but sliding in the DMs?
@@Vintageshabbychi it’s not even that. It’s having a “relationship” with someone you have never met which is desperate and only someone with very low self esteem would continue for 8 years…😂😂😂
Well I agree but I think that comes from her being wounded from the actual relationship she was in where her ex partner clearly had commitment issues and was stringing her along unfairly. She had hopes and dreams to get married, family pressure was there too along with cultural expectations to meet and when you can’t fulfil those it does knock you. Her previous real relationship sounded like a source of trauma so there’s that thread in the tapestry of what came next with the whole Simran situation. Simran knew about this and probably took advantage of that but totally agree repeated hard knocks does damage a person’s sense of self and so getting “fake acceptance and nurturing” caters to those desperate inner needs one may have even going back to childhood. It’s all very deep stuff. Everyone craves love and yes it can make you behave in a desperate way.
@@AmplifiedVixenno, no. This was a real master plan. It was hard not to fall for it. I have been active online like 30years and have ny techniques how to recognise fake from real. But this was a real master level scam. Like, wow. Btw I think Simran was in love with Kirat otherwise idk how she would sleep with open skype with Kirat for hours daily. It means Simran did not have another relationship at the same time, it would be impossible
@@soulie1971 Nope. I mean that she acts like they were just casually talking as friends for many years and it only got romantic for her at the very end. But in the documentary she is crying and telling him she loves him and that their connection is special well before that. She is embarrassed and now does not want to admit that she was emotionally invested in him from very early on.
I thought that too but then I listened to the podcast. Don’t get me wrong she’s still naive lol but the podcast did a much better job at highlighting the fact it was a friendship before it turned romantic. Sure she still invested into the friendship which was foolish but nonetheless it wasn’t like she loved him at that point but I think it helped set the stage for what unfolded later.
I think there is a lot of judgement and nastiness coming through on these comments. The only winners are this duo who did this for clout. Most of their previous videos only have 1-2k views. This one has shot them to fame. This narrative that she over valued herself for a rich doctor has to stop. You see lots of smug l”healthy” Aunty style women with doctor husbands, rich doesn’t mean decent. These doctors are known for having affairs, ask any Asian consultant. Doctors are hugely overvalued as husbands in Asian community. Ok yes he is good looking and rich BUT why couldn’t the 10 year younger Kirath aim for him? It’s not like they all marry to their level. Why is the behaviour of Simran always the afterthought in all these comments? She should be called out first and fully. Kirath deserves a better version of Bobby. Bobby is let off Scot free here. Kirath is correct. Why didn’t Bobby reach out to her officially if he wax going to have his game in the Netflix? He is coming across well whereas Kirath is vilified. Hosts did a terrible job of interviewing her on the main questions.
Being catfished by someone u dont know is one thing but someone close to u. It feels like being cohersed . Let alone this person also talking yo u & ur extended family. It is psychotic.
If you watch the show Catfish you will see they often have similar traits. This was obviously top tier catfishing. However, she allowed it to happen to herself. Obviously a vulnerable person and her cousin knew that. Bottom line if someone refuses to meet or doesn't do a video call you cut ties and move on. The problem is the mind. When you put someone on a pedastal when you haven't met them you are screwed. She allowed it to go on for far too long. To be honest... She seems a little strange. If she had friends and family around her they would have called this out also. If they all knew and went along with it... Its even weirder lol. Asian parents would be making their own enquiries straight away and would have gotten to the bottom of this. So there's obviously some weird power dynamic going on at home where it's almost like her parents have given up being involved in her life.
This is a huge issue with women right now. Willing to delude themselves to be with a man, imaginary or not. Willing to do anything for their men. This is why loverboy trafficking has become so popular. The same root behavior. Nothing against her. Just saying, most chicks have no right to judge.
This was one of the few super respectful and open interviews I've seen of Kirat ❤ although I have my opinions of how things could've panned out better, its her life and she deserved so much more respect. Being a desi woman, there is INSANE pressure to get married and love truly gives blinders on people. This was an elaborate ruse and unfortunately she was a victim of it and she had years of her life she'll never get back because of a horrible person who unfortunately will not get repercussions.
She still didn’t get how twisted the situation was and she used her logic to pursue her suspicions on Bobby two timing her but never to question how the whole thing wasn’t piecing together coherently …she’s showing bubble fatigue ! Btw consider what you would do if a random aurat showed up at your door like you did …they could have someone behind them waiting to barge in …get out of your bubble Kirat ! The aurat could be a ruse !
@@Mkkt-lb4gp It will come out in future just wait, there is a lot more to the story then what is told in docu or in the interview here. I am close to someone involved in this whole fiasco so can't go in to much details.
@@DilipKumar-o6e5kHi Simran. How are you doing? I thought you were doing therapy? Please continue doing that. It's not having a good effect if you're not
Im also on the "how did she practically manage it" team? She used years for it. Hours every day. It is almost impossible. And to keep the track of all the fake characters...psychopats are often super intelligent with very high IQ I dont think Kirat was too naive. It was impossible to not to believe that Bobby was real. He existed. She saw him. They had common friends. His family was talking to her. Also time online goes in different pace. Slowly. Suddenly it is years of writing. She did become impatient later, depressed. But she invested too much time already. It is also difficult to leave someone in bad health or life situation and Simran had always created one. I dont judge her at all. She was the biggest victim, not Bobby. He lived his life untouched
@@DilipKumar-o6e5k No, she was not. She was NEVER in a relationship with 'Bobby.' But Simran's dupe storyline was that Bobby had BEEN married, left his wife, started a 'relationship' with Kirat, then found out his soon-to-be ex-wife was pregnant. The real Bobby NEVER left his wife, and other than being accosted by her in a club once NEVER had ANY contact with Kirat whatsoever until she showed up on his doorstep acting like a maniac. You need to remember that Kirat had never, ever been in contact with 'Bobby,' Bobby's wife, Bobby's cousins or Bobby's friends like she thought she had... ALL of these were among the 60+ fake accounts created by Simran to keep her ruse going.
I just found the whole thing crazy. Gullible stupid desperately seeking attention.....i think theres more to the story. We all know what abuse n incest goes on behind closed doors....
What you mean exactly 🤔🤨? Abuse and incest isn't what's going on for this story n nor does it even suggest that ??? I think the story is fabricated to some extent to make it more tangible that's all.
If Kirat ever reads this - If it wasn't for the Netflix documentary I would have never known your story and I would have never looked into the podcast and all these interviews which gives more information and understanding. So even though you're disappointed, I would say there is a silver lining!
Exactly! Perfectly said.
You fell for the fiction, sorry to hear how gullible you are...
The creation of 60 fake fb profiles is very concerning
@@lrpolo how did she find the time and energy 🤯🤯🤯
That was a while ago, years wise, it's way harder now to make a fb page, Instagram too :))
Lol yes
Anyone else think Indy and Dr seem to be enabling her victim mentality instead of calling out the inconsistencies in her story? She actually is still living in a victim mentality. Delusional again. You’re “disappointed” that a man who owes you nothing is not joining up with you in your fight? Only a delusional person would have expectations from the real Bobby. Real Bobby has his own real family to prioritize and the poor guy has a child with special needs to take care of. I just can’t get over the level of delusion this woman is living in!
And she expressed so much love for him as a step child but now she overlooks that Bobby’s priority is his son not your cause !
from my point of view i could see real bobby only wanting to help because he was completely impersonated and his entire family was too , which is extremely scary and weird for him and his family to deal with as well. but other than that , it is really weird kirat expected him to help her considering he has no idea who she is.
She liked the real Bobby too
@@dummytina Exactly if anything I found him kind enough to care about her to a certain point. He wanted to clean his name.
Bobby's son is special needs??
Look up Renae Marsden. She was a victim of catfishing in Australia and committed suicide in 2013. There was a coronial inquest on it.
Catfishing should be a serious crime, those who blame the victim or think it wasn’t a big deal, people actually die over this, the psychological impact is immense.
The laws need to change to protect people and punish the perpetrator.
I don't understand anyone would at least do a video call? For 10 years she was okay with not even having a video call. I think loneliness and wanting to get married got the best of her. Simran was enjoying the more she was getting response from her.
I agree. Simran managed to catch her emotionally at her most vulnerable moments.
Exactlyyyyyyy. Like yes catfishing is so wrong and she was violated... but ...the internet isn't safe... don't be here if you're not aware of that.
It's SO EASY to avoid this. Even the old fashioned way *take a pic doing *this specific action* and holding this item. Or whatever.
I've met soooo many of my ride Or dies online.
@@ofthemoon.exactlyyyy!! it baffles me how someone is comfortable with talking to someone that they only seen photos of and also how naive and gullible u have to be to keep talking to someone who u only met in person once, 9/10 years ago…
I think it was fair that Netflix asked the question about intimacy. Of course, the question was appropriate given that it’s a documentary about your “relationship”. You’re reply was a bit sus though.
I think she was because her reaction to finding out bobby wasn't real was extreme. you don't have that kind of disappointment if you haven't been through all kinds of relations with someone
She just wanted to tell the story her own way and wanted to leave certain parts out. Like who gets a documentary made about them and gets mad at questions being asked 😂
Right? She says "we don't ask people that"
Well no not the person standing in front of you at the grocery store but you were being INTERVIEWED ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP lmao.
Couldn't believe she didn't realize that was the difference...
The sex question was in context and bore relevance becus it was Simiran doing it ! If it’s private than your whole account is private but we still hearing it …and if you are trying to raise awareness to the criminal element then the the sex reference has complete relevance as it’s clearly a danger !
That exactly what I thought, it was a reasonable question, I very much sympathise with her but for her to go on to say she is logical and rational makes no sense as she had a whole relationship with someone she had never properly met for ten years
She did a solo performance and is very embaressed about it
I totally agree!
@@RR-mv1vrfull of contradictions
She is only logical if it comes under ‘Bobby loves me” ..what happened to the most logical thing to say to him in subsequent chats after that meet in Brighton club ??!!
Call me Victim blaming, but Kirat comes across as one of the dumbest and naive gullible person I’ve ever seen, she should consider herself lucky this was just about a fake relationship, in other scenario, she could’ve given an online scammer her bank details and lost money, Facebook marketplace is full of them
At first I was inclined to think that Kirat was gullible, leaned towards victim blaming. But after hearing more about it over the past few months, it looks like Simran was very calculated and committed to manipulating Kirat. She knew her vulnerabilities and exploited them ceaselessly to play with her emotions and mental health.
Calculated in a negative way.
I was the same. I didn’t get how. But her cousin targeted her so well. Taking advantage of her vulnerable moments in like that she knew about and her insecurities. I honestly think Simran was psychologically invested in this. Wasting both of their lives
Why should Bobby speak to her! That’s so entitled of her to think he should contacted a weirdo / stranger. The man’s got a child and a whole life. These two girls were losers and clearly had nothing better to do.
YES AND YES! I was side eyeing her while watching the documentary. She's literally talking to a married man with a baby and asked the married man to choose her or his baby? Wth. His wife is 1000 times prettier than her. She wasted her life rejecting men that proposed to her for a married man with a baby son! She's actually a home wrecker too actually!
She fell for the real Bobby and thought he would feel pity for her.
Khirat was the victim of a probable psychopath. I'd be very afraid to work/socialise with Simran. And I hope someone looks into her past as I wouldn't be surprised if there are other victims.
She was way too sophisticated for it to be her 1st time.
@@beewest5704 It's a shame because with that much 'skill' she could have put it to good use, instead of traumatising her cousin and relatives.
@@SamB-q6zwell she also had energy to build a career, Simran was a VP of Barclays UK! Insane..
I personally wish I could have a conversation with Simran! She'd have a very interesting brain
The pressure to get married is real, you want a family yourself and also you don't want to let people around you down. Especially as a south asian woman, you get older the pressure builds, it affects your mental health. I feel like her mental health was compromised when this was all happening which is why she went ahead with it for so long. You can call it desperation or her being stupid etc but we aren't in that situation to judge really.
Asian culture is fucked up
yeah, but even her parents were doubting this guy. they were not pressuring her.
Well yeah people can pressure you, but as you get older shouldn't you figure out a method to think for yourself and have your own boundaries and values and understanding of life? Like no one can force you into feeling bad if you don't actually allow yourself to accept what they're forcing down your throat?
I do get it, because I'm brown, but she's also 30+, if she really wanted to get married she chose to go with a phantom instead of real suitors she otherwise had?
@@Newuxtremethe fantasy of Bobby (handsome, successful, social standing) was likely better than what she felt the real suitors could offer. I believe she was smitten with him early on.
I was in that situation so I’ll judge her. I’m also a Punjabi female with the same cultural pressures. Got married at 39, but wasn’t desperate nor did I throw the ability to be rational out the window! I have to admit…I don’t think someone so delusional and with no insight as to how this happened to her, should have children. She needs to get off social media as the whole world already knows her issues and focus on doing the work required to resolve her deep rooted issues so she can eventually attract someone healthy.
This girl came up to Bobby in a Brighton nightclub, and he had no clue who she was and walked away from her. Did the penny not drop ? She was skyping (Simran) and she was making tapping noises to communicate with her thinking its Bobby. Is she for real falling for this for 9 years ?
It's also sort of obvious that she had doubts throughout the whole ordeal - which is not something touched on in Netflix or the podcast. Like, she mentions she used to Google maps his location in New York and find people that worked at those locations. It sounded like she may have approached them to double-check whether they had seen or interacted with him
I think she fell for this due to a variety of factors and some of the things Simran did were very smart (i.e the picking clothes bit for the child) but at the same time I do wonder whether there's some truth to the fact that they were both engaging in this fantasy while knowing to an extent that it is a fantasy
I’m sorry you went through all this, Kirat 💜
I also feel a lot of people won't understand because of the added pressures from south asian culture. Some things that are normal for south asians but may be perceived as strange to other people. Hope Kirat gets the closure she is looking for!
no south asian culture supports a 10 year fling on off relationship or marrying divorced people who father kids of another person. She was desperate for a fantasy when she had proposals from others...if she wanted kids and marriage so desperatately, but she just wanted a man with job status.
The whole story was odd, I feel for this lady but so many things didn’t make sense. Married man then divorced she was attached to a random then she was upset about him shot then witness protection.. it just felt surreal and family were sad for her talking to a random that no one knew and then he was married after and she was still talking to him. I was so baffled by it all and then witness protection and no alarm bells. I wish her well but seriously ….
i agree
I find her explanations in the last 3rd of this podcast quite revealing how far Simran went and don‘t forget that the community is very connected and everybody knows someone… it is mind boggling that S invented 60 different personalities.. I don‘t think I would have had any chance to not falling for it..
@@soulie1971 I think there were soo many chances were this whole thing should have rang alarm bells…. It’s odd never spoke to him, never seen him and it was elaborate and becoming attached to a random. I hope she moves forward from this chapter and this evil cousin gets what’s coming to her, clearly playing on an insecurity and I presume has mental,issues of her own
I want to question her on why she was speaking to a married man then that man introduces her to his wife then they become friendly after their marriage “ends” between bobby and sanj she decides to betray girl code and pursue a relationship with her friends ex husband!
@@soulie1971 if the community was so connected then why didn’t here parents or relatives hear about all of the drama happening to Bobby from any real people? I don’t think her friends and family were connected to real Bobby’s family. It just doesn’t add up. I’m part of a Punjabi community and if someone dies or something extreme happens to someone in the community, everyone is talking about it IRL not online.
"I made my family tree and Bobby was sad that he didn't have his because he's very similar to me as a person”.
"he's very similar to me as a person." Yes, because his personality was created especially for you?
Interesting choice of words.
She's stuck in victim mode, refusing to take accountability for the red flags SHE ignored and the choices SHE made. At some point, the "poor me" act wears thin when it's paired with zero self-reflection.
I'm sorry but did anyone notice that she told the story of her seeing Sanj differently than how she did in the netflix documentary?? It wasn't by chance or coincidental..come on now
She shouldn’t blame the Indian/brown/punjabi community for her crazy choices. She did everything the Indian community wouldn’t agree with and is now blaming them. She is a victim but of her own self. The interviewers seem to be agreeing with her to be kind.
Yeah, this is not a cultural issue , it’s a kirat issue. I’m a Punjabi female and was single up until my late 30s, but there’s no way in hell I would have believed or stuck around for all of that insane drama! Even if she thought it was all real, didn’t she for a sec consider that she would not have a stable family life with this guy who has had major health issues, was in witness protection. I mean come on!
So if it was a tight close knit community, then why didn’t anyone in her family or family friend circle hear about or talk about the crazy stuff that happened to Bobby? In my community news like that spreads like wildfire. It wouldn’t be limited to just online chatting…my parents, the aunties and uncles would be talking about it. So many unanswered questions!
Hi Simran!
@tikibombom weird that you think logic equals Simran. People with your thinking are the problem why people like Kirat feel it’s ok to ignore red flags.
@@654ujalaamen sister !!
says there is cultural pressure to get married, yet does a 10 year on/off relationship (from what i know that is not behaviour indian girls are encouraged to do or any girl for that matter)...then turns down all these marriage proposals...has autonomy to be in a 10 year fling, and has autonomy to reject the proposals and choose a divorced guy who can't speak who is fathering a child with another woman, not sure what that has to do with cultural pressure? She is still harking on about this 2-3 years on, she's is not well and need in depth therapy. You just cannot be in love or call someone the love of your life when you haven't properly met them. This is not normal at all. Why is she raising awareness of extreme isolated things, she thought this was a widespread issue but it is not. poor girl has no understanding of attachment or what is healthy.
There are mill of people having long-term on-line relationship.
I was one of them. I used 2 years of my life before I cut itand it was really hard.
I dont agree that you can't love someone online
It is very easy but in the real life it is often not working as in a real life there is not that luxury of having that perfect, problem free world.
@@mikronela it is not normal to love someone you vaguely met once in a club who did not remember you. Sounds like loving an online image and persona rather than a real person, you did not speak to and typed to. Fantasy. Maybe in your case you were like most normal online relationships where you can video call, see them, hear them, unlike the situation here where she wanted to believe the drama of a man being shot etc because it is more exciting than meeting a man who does a normal 9-5 office job. It is unhealthy, unnatural to love someone in a penpal way. Your situation is different (I assume) compared to loving text messages and forgiving every single indescretion.
I haven’t even watch this Netflix doc but this Simran is in a whole level of her own. This is a mental health issue, this Simran has experienced or witnessed a serious trauma, manipulative to a whole different level. Full credit to Kirat, may wahiguru give you extra strength and kushi for the rest of your journey. Wow ❤🔥🙏🏽
Big up Indy & Dr podcast, Chak di phate 🔥🔥🔥
It feels like there is SO much more going on beneath the surface here, it would be fascinating to hear the things that are going unspoken. Kirat's fleeting allusion to a past situation that made her anxious and panicky when the police were mentioned suggests she might have fixated on people or misread situations before.
Perhaps Simran honed in on that aspect of her character and used that to draw her in. Certainly talking to a man you believe to be in a first and then second marriage while you are purportedly in your own long-term relationship is iffy, while Kirat now downplaying Bobby's importance to her in those early years is unconvincing.
Simran is obviously a manipulative and obsessive nutjob who will continue to repeat and escalate these behaviours throughout her life but there are some really peculiar dynamics going on with Kirat too. Maybe getting support for this upset will inadvertently lead to her gaining some insight into her own issues.
I watched this yesterday and I can’t believe that anyone would fall for this. Just the fact that Bobby was supposed to be on witness protection program in the NY! 😂😂😂 Girl…
Why do they always include Witness protection? It's ridiculous. 😮
I didn’t buy that one bit I don’t know how she did
Yup, very farfetched
This whole story is crazy and it's sad to see how much of it Kirat believed. I don't think it's fair to victim blame, but I wonder if Kirat ever thinks that she was far too gullible and should have maybe questioned things more? Either way i hope she finally finds some peace❤
People have a life Kirat that’s why Bobby and his family don’t want anything to do with you and this drama. Get a life please
YES AND YES! I was side eyeing her while watching the documentary. She's literally talking to a married man with a baby and asked the married man to choose her or his baby? Wth. His wife is 1000 times prettier than her. She wasted her life rejecting men that proposed to her for a married man with a baby son! She's actually a home wrecker too actually!
The story is wild and Simran should be make accountable for what she did... but, it creeps me out when she speaks of Bobby as if they DID had a real relationship, and I know it was real for her at the momment, but she stills refers as if he had say or done some things or had some sort of connection with her... and the real Bobby refers to her in the doc as "this lady". It is so unfair for him & his family that this woman talks as she was part os his life
I didn't think about it from that perspective! I can see why the local authorities took the view that the real Bobby and his wife etc were the actual victims.
Honestly I think she refers to him in that way out of pure embarrassment because if she starts saying my cousin simran it would make it even more real to her. Also it would sound even crazier to the listeners. Even thou we know that’s the situation…..just my 2 cents
@@richlove8375 yeah, i get that she does that when telling her story. But after revealing that it wasn't him, its weird that she still says things like: "Bobby told me this", "Bobby promised me this". We all know it wasn't him. She could say: "Fake Bobby" or "This character". Or even say "I was told this" or "I was promised this"
Absolutely @@patrichavez
she thought it was him for 10 yrs, a huge chunk of her life, she's way more the victim then Simran and of course shes going to tell her story with "bobby" because thats who she thought she was speaking too
She wants desperately to blame her behavior on the pressures that south Asian families put on you to get married. But it makes no sense because her actions actually went AGAINST her getting married and more so leaned towards her subconsciously avoiding marriage. I think that’s something she should explore with a licensed clinical psychotherapist. A woman desperate for marriage doesn’t get strung along for 18 years by a man. She also doesn’t jump down this strange rabbit hole with someone that didn’t even recognize her when she saw him at a club and notices he never mentions it. Instead she would have been on dating apps getting love bombed and married too quickly to anyone that would have her scammer be damned. Her actions line up with someone that isn’t actually emotionally available for actual intimacy and love. That’s why she always took her ex back and did the dance with him so long. Deep down she knew he wouldn’t commit but it was an excuse. Deep down she knew Bobby’s story was BS that’s why she didn’t question things or research. Witness protection? Girl you knew damned well. There is something else keeping her in this cycle. Maybe she is actually lesbian and suppressing it because it’s frowned upon in their culture, maybe her cousin simran knows something we don’t. It doesn’t have to be that of course, there are many reasons people do things to avoid real intimacy and it could be something as simple as having had her ❤ broken in middle school or rejection. I also think she deep down knew simran was complicit and that’s why she was willing to go along with her insistence. She is an extremely avoidant person. She let herself use Bobby to avoid self care and responsibilities in life to the point she had dark circles and was losing weight.
Jumping in this bandwagon! Kirath seems like a lovely warm “salt of the earth” person. I feel terrible for her not receiving full justice. I commend her for taking this public. Hosts keep talking over her!
I hope that she receives legal support to take Simran down. She should open her own UA-cam channel. Simran needs locking up. Exposing
Wow! Even though I saw so many red flags from the beginning, my heart still breaks for Kirat. So frightening for Bobby and his wife too. The cousin made a full-time job out of terrorizing her cousin, it’s beyond imagination. Laws need to be put in place to protect people from this but also to prosecute the perpetrators. Kirat is brave for taking on the potential shame and ridicule to share her story for the protection of others. ❤️🇨🇦
I'm sorry, but this woman was plain desperate. I mean how can you keep a close bond with someone for nearly 10 years (even friendship) without seeing someone face to face (date, video meeting etc.)? Even with his friends she met 'online', people would think that over time they would have coffee together in person or some sort of 'meet up'. She even mentioned she saw the 'real' Bobby early on and he didn't recognise her. It's really hard to have empathy for her.
This can only be compared with a dowry scam which is a crime.
Thank goodness this woman is strong enough to go public and look for change. Brave girl.
I need to know more about her speaking to the Consultants. Did she really believe the Consultants would talk to her via Facebook?
Wait, why were consultants talking to her? Was she next of kin? Is Facebook the standard method of communication for people in witness protection programs?
Her psychological issues made her a perfect person to catfish.
agreed
agreed and no one is really talking about it
Kirad is just dumb and needs to stop sharing she was in a relationship because she wasn’t and it was her business to ask her if she was intimate since Kirad is the one going on about it lol it’s a fair question!!
YES AND YES! I was side eyeing her while watching the documentary. She's literally talking to a married man with a baby and asked the married man to choose her or his baby? Wth. His wife is 1000 times prettier than her. She wasted her life rejecting men that proposed to her for a married man with a baby son! She's actually a home wrecker too actually!
I want to question her on why she was speaking to a married man. Then that man introduces her to his wife then they become friendly after their marriage “ends” between bobby and sanj she decides to betray girl code and pursue a relationship with her friends ex husband!
Yeah these guys seem like her friends…not really asking her the pertinent questions
YES AND YES! I was side eyeing her while watching the documentary. She's literally talking to a married man with a baby and asked the married man to choose her or his baby? Wth. His wife is 1000 times prettier than her. She wasted her life rejecting men that proposed to her for a married man with a baby son! She's actually a home wrecker too actually!
And she said in the documentary that she was in a commited relationship herself. I am surprised that her pushy "community" had nothing to say about that? On & off with that one too. Seems like a pattern. On & off without proper commitment just head in the clouds.
and he told her he was having a baby with sanj while he was in witness protection lol
The real Bobby and his family are genuine victims. They had their images stolen, privacy invaded and I haven’t really seen anyone apologise to them.
I watched the documentary and felt a mix of emotions. The way she keeps referring to Bobby as someone she had a relationship within this podcast is perplexing. Why would Bobby, who has no connection to her cause, help her? This raises questions about her perspective. It’s clear that she needs to take full responsibility for her situation and move on. The reality is that she never had a relationship with Bobby. The whole story doesn't add up, married man, in hospital, death bed, gets ex-wife pregnant, has child, suspected liar. She still love him? She choose that. The true victims here are Bobby and Sanj.
They’re all victims. Bobby and Sanj had their identities stolen and Kirat literally lived a lie for years because of the elaborate web that Simran created. She keeps referring to Bobby as someone she had a relationship because that was her actual lived experience. Listen to the podcast, it does better job than the Netflix documentary at emphasising just how elaborate the lies Simran told were.
Also to the podcast hosts - you guys were amazing. Please tell Kirat how many people think she’s brave and amazing ❤️
@@gulmeenay What do you mean? She now knows it wasn't him, so she should not refer to him as if she has any connection because she doesn't! He has nothing to do with this mess. Why should Bobby help her? I do agree she needs help.
Put yourself in Sanj’s shoes. How would you feel? Random strangers making all accusations against your husband and also referring to your child as a stepson. Crazy.
She knows now that is wasn’t him but that does not take away everything that she lived through all those years. If you can’t see that you have very little empathy and that’s just sad.
@@gulmeenay It's not about not being empathetic. I did feel for her. But she has not moved on, even after knowing the truth. She is still referring to him as something. She will not be able to move forward, which makes me wonder if she is doing a lot of this to herself.
I agree with what you’re saying on the sense that for her personally it would be best to put this behind her.
But I think you might be underestimating how difficult that might actually be because the perpetrator is her cousin who doesn’t care, like basically her sister, pretending to be romantically involved with her for years and years. It’d be a lot easier to move on if it was a random act of cruelty. I know people who deal with life long trauma for being betrayed for a lot less by a loved one (money or property). Imagine your same sex cousin or sibling, pretending to be your future partner for years. The thought just makes my stomach turn. It would mess up most people for very long. Ofcourse she was naive in some sense, but people raised to be ignorant in romantic relationships are vulnerable to these circumstances.
She is trying to raise awareness in a conservative community. Her own dad doesn’t even want to talk to her about it. How do you even begin healing in that environment.
Love and support for your sister. Hope you heal and get all the support you deserve.
Upon listening to the podcast I immediately knew that there is a lot of cultural context that laypeople may not understand. I will continue to consume more Desi content in the hopes of clearing it all up. Theres also elements of this case related to the larger internet culture that the families themselves may not understand. Very complex and terrifying case, and the missing pieces just make it even more compelling.
Excellent podcast. Well done all of you!
I'm really disgusted at the justice system. How could they fail to investigate this case properly? This shows that the West is all talk but pathetically worse in serving justice to people like kirat. And simran is psychopath. Needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for whoever is simran's partner. They're with someone who has zero feelings about other human beings.
the untold story on Netflix is the phone sex and masturbation over skype with her cousin and that Simran gave her £2000 in compensation. Simran is a lesbian and Kirat relationship with Bobby would have lasted 9 days not 9 years if he was a supermarket worker instead of a doctor
If I had been lied to so cheekily over such a long period and had been so stupid as to believe the existence of sweet Bobby, I would be ashamed of myself. But this victim makes a podcast and a Netflix film out of it. I don't believe a single word.
Yeah seems like she wanting to get famous from
This. Who knows what is true. Sometimes it feels as though it’s a made up story to get on a Netflix show
I was catfished by this gorgeous doctor that looked like a model. I was in my late teens, it took me 3 days to release this was a catfish, she was my age now when her catfishing started. Like she knew his family couldn’t she asked one of his cousins I’m sure it would of got back to him. When she met him in real life he didn’t act like he knew her, that would be a major red flag I would have taken him outside to speak. She was extremely vulnerable and believed the lies because the truth was so much more painful.
Simran made 60 fake accounts. Everybody she talked was actually simran herself. But yes this lady should have talked to someone irl
how did you find out?
Here she's saying she treated Bobby's son as her own cos she knew she couldnt have kids.
In netflix, she said will I ever be a mum, its a big question mark.
So some parts of her story are not consistent
As much as I feel bad for Kirat, let's not kid ourselves in thinking she wasn't at fault for some of this stuff. Yes we can feel bad for her but by no means was she innocent. By some miracle the universe puts you and the supposed man you're talking to randomly in the same building and you go up to him and say hello and he says I don't know you and you brush that off? 😡Why wasn't her alarm bells ringing that's what I don't understand. She was so engrossed in the thought of wanting to find a husband/get married that she overlooked even the most obvious and alarming red flags. The fact that Simran was navigating through her life pretending to be 15+ other people for almost a decade is the most impressive part of the story 🤣
I’m
Glad she is going to the gym etc I hate his the community judges her against the perfect couple Bobby and sanj. She may not be a doctor but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve a Bobby. Hosts don’t relate to her as they are married. She is single and thats why the community refuses to relate to her. Such a tough scenario and Simran needs to be punished fully. The community needs to stop protecting her.
Sadly simran is getting married
@@AD_deep I doubt it. Who would take on a psycho?
@@KiniKikoaccording to the sweet bobby podcast - Simran had gotten engaged and had a hen party. Whether the marriage went ahead, who knows? I hope her husband/fiance reconsiders. Feels so unfair for her to get her happy ending when she denied kirat hers.
@@MT-nf1ls it didn’t go ahead. I think Simran is active creating false accounts on Reddit to put down Kirat. After listening to the podcast it’s evil and calculated what Simran did. Her family seem to support her. She needs locking up and her face exposed. She even accused Kirath of grooming her.
@@MT-nf1ls You really think someone like Simran can ever be happy lol?
You guys are killing it. Keep up the great work! Love the progress.
She’s disappointed a man she’s never actually spoken to should be reaching out to her?
Kiran, you’re a sweet person, but what the hell? This has nothing to do with him, be around your loved ones don’t project onto Bobby who did nothing wrong.
Can someone find who the real *Simran* is? We need to expose her
Her real picture are all over tiktok she is getting married soon
@@AD_deepoh shit the poor family surely doesn't know who she is and what she's capable of
@@glow2500 It would be downright impossible for the family to not know. Like literally impossible. Someone or the other from extended friends and family from the guys side would inform them. And if they still proceed, good riddance to them both. Survival of the fittest.
I just hope she doesn't have a child having to endure such crazy mom
@ karma works in funny ways she deprived Kirat from becoming a mum who knows how it will pan out for her
she uses the words "rationally, logically and gut feeling" and none of them were used in the breakdown of this whole situation
Kirat if you are reading this you have such a beatiful kind soul 🤍 sending you so much love
She is too kind. I felt so sorry for her when she said she would record prayers for him to listen.
She’s now officially in a twilight zone where she cannot distinguish between reality and the virtual world …Kirat your research into trials helped Simran write your next chapter in your ridiculous journey ..take time to think about this
Still makes no sense how she has ended up in this situation! The whole situation is a mess and the cousin needs help to understand why she’s got multiple personalities. Kiran I hope she find her one and eventually can let go of this
I feel for her, but she should have spoken to her family involved her dad he would have found out straight away.
10 years is a long time without seeing someone.
Imagine if she didn't hire a private investigator.
I would have thought simran could be prosecuted as she used at least Bobby and sanj's photos and the baby's I assume the reason she wasn't due to a money element. But still I would assume they could put in a case.
Kirat You should disclose the photo of the perpetrator !
As a moral and ethical obligation to protect other victims !
And from science point of view, and empiric knowledge - most likely it is the perpetrator's family's fault - their parents and grandparents -for what it looks as their sociopathic behavior !
The personality is mainly form due to the up-bringing and the emotional support or lack of it from the parents to the child !
A photo of her is all over the internet, from when she got a promotion at the bank she worked for a year or so before she was outed. She's tried to wipe all the internet photos, but that one has been shared and re-shared so many times she'll never be able to get rid of it. It's no secret.
How can someone even remember
60 FB profiles and do a group chat from one computer or device? Where did Simran find the time to do this?
I think there's a difference between knowing someone for 10 days and know someone for 10 years. You would at least see who the person was and speak with them on the phone. And generalising the asian community for putting people down makes so sense at all. Not every asian in the UK is part of the same community. It's those communities that don't teach their kids to become independent and learn about the outside world.
There is so much from the documentary, the podcast and the interviews that does not correlate in her story.
She has said numerous times in interviews and in the podcast that the reason Bobby approached her was because his younger brother JJ had died and that he was in a relationship with Simran… in this she says something different and that she met Bobby on Facebook before simran went out with JJ…
The presenters are so dumb for not asking about JJ and that story about him being dead lol (he’s not dead)
And also reason for making the documentary was simple… MONEY
So JJ was not actually dead????
if they are all so close knit, how come she didnt hear of JJ actually being dead lol? i am full of qns
This was so good!
“My wife’s pregnant ….” u gave him an ultimatum after that his wife or you ..that doesn’t look like a casual chat !
They didn't ask her about the school girl comment made by Simran. Why didn't they speculate as to what Kiran thinks Simran is referring to from their childhood?
This girl has a warped view of what it means to “know” someone! Meeting Bobby’s dad’s sister at a funeral doesn’t mean you know her or Bobby or the family! You guys are not “connected” at all. Hence why you didn’t even know the most BASIC info about him: which city he is based and his job!
It's v sad what she went through but yes still it's v hard to belive this continued as long as this continued ,I guess we need to do more making our daughters aware of such
This isn’t a knock on her but only someone very desperate would fall for this.
Sadly I agree...
Yes, why would you befriend and talk to a married man in the first place? You can talk to people at parties, events or even for business connections but sliding in the DMs?
@@Vintageshabbychi it’s not even that. It’s having a “relationship” with someone you have never met which is desperate and only someone with very low self esteem would continue for 8 years…😂😂😂
Well I agree but I think that comes from her being wounded from the actual relationship she was in where her ex partner clearly had commitment issues and was stringing her along unfairly. She had hopes and dreams to get married, family pressure was there too along with cultural expectations to meet and when you can’t fulfil those it does knock you. Her previous real relationship sounded like a source of trauma so there’s that thread in the tapestry of what came next with the whole Simran situation. Simran knew about this and probably took advantage of that but totally agree repeated hard knocks does damage a person’s sense of self and so getting “fake acceptance and nurturing” caters to those desperate inner needs one may have even going back to childhood. It’s all very deep stuff. Everyone craves love and yes it can make you behave in a desperate way.
@@sheena9090 that was a beautifully put explanation, I have nothing further to add ❤️
Simrans a bit of a genius you have to say. A true mastermind
That sounds like something Simran would say… 👀
@@anitaspinucci😂
Not really, she just found someone dumb enough to fall for thus stupidity
@@AmplifiedVixenno, no. This was a real master plan. It was hard not to fall for it.
I have been active online like 30years and have ny techniques how to recognise fake from real.
But this was a real master level scam.
Like, wow.
Btw I think Simran was in love with Kirat otherwise idk how she would sleep with open skype with Kirat for hours daily.
It means Simran did not have another relationship at the same time, it would be impossible
Lol she stayed in a Zee drama plot for 9 years believing anything !!
She loves all this attention.
She changes up her story here
Maybe Netflix docu left things out?
@@soulie1971 Nope. I mean that she acts like they were just casually talking as friends for many years and it only got romantic for her at the very end. But in the documentary she is crying and telling him she loves him and that their connection is special well before that. She is embarrassed and now does not want to admit that she was emotionally invested in him from very early on.
@@aveclasse17 YES 💯
I thought that too but then I listened to the podcast. Don’t get me wrong she’s still naive lol but the podcast did a much better job at highlighting the fact it was a friendship before it turned romantic. Sure she still invested into the friendship which was foolish but nonetheless it wasn’t like she loved him at that point but I think it helped set the stage for what unfolded later.
@@banjothedogslayer5800 She told him she loved him even before things turned romantic lol
I think there is a lot of judgement and nastiness coming through on these comments. The only winners are this duo who did this for clout. Most of their previous videos only have 1-2k views. This one has shot them to fame.
This narrative that she over valued herself for a rich doctor has to stop. You see lots of smug l”healthy”
Aunty style women with doctor husbands, rich doesn’t mean decent. These doctors are known for having affairs, ask any Asian consultant.
Doctors are hugely overvalued as husbands in Asian community. Ok yes he is good looking and rich BUT why couldn’t the 10 year younger Kirath aim for him? It’s not like they all marry to their level.
Why is the behaviour of Simran always the afterthought in all these comments? She should be called out first and fully.
Kirath deserves a better version of Bobby.
Bobby is let off Scot free here. Kirath is correct. Why didn’t Bobby reach out to her officially if he wax going to have his game in the Netflix? He is coming across well whereas Kirath is vilified.
Hosts did a terrible job of interviewing her on the main questions.
Being catfished by someone u dont know is one thing but someone close to u. It feels like being cohersed .
Let alone this person also talking yo u & ur extended family. It is psychotic.
Girl you dont want bobby to discuss anything with you 😂 like lets forget him, period!
If you watch the show Catfish you will see they often have similar traits. This was obviously top tier catfishing. However, she allowed it to happen to herself. Obviously a vulnerable person and her cousin knew that. Bottom line if someone refuses to meet or doesn't do a video call you cut ties and move on. The problem is the mind. When you put someone on a pedastal when you haven't met them you are screwed. She allowed it to go on for far too long. To be honest... She seems a little strange. If she had friends and family around her they would have called this out also. If they all knew and went along with it... Its even weirder lol. Asian parents would be making their own enquiries straight away and would have gotten to the bottom of this. So there's obviously some weird power dynamic going on at home where it's almost like her parents have given up being involved in her life.
Problem was she has her own psychological issues. Which is why her cousin was able to target her so well
Where is Simran now ?
Hounslow
She had to quit her job, she was living with her parents and now she's getting married like a good little Indian girl.
Excited to watch after my exam 😭
Wr need to hear Simran's side of the story.
Sorry, habe überhaupt kein Mitleid mit dem Opfer, der dümmste Mensch wohl auf dem Planeten!
It is very clear Simran was in love with you and had feelings for you. That's why she did this and I wonder why everyone is counting that out
This is a huge issue with women right now. Willing to delude themselves to be with a man, imaginary or not. Willing to do anything for their men. This is why loverboy trafficking has become so popular. The same root behavior.
Nothing against her. Just saying, most chicks have no right to judge.
It’s more than delusion. She was manipulated and tricked by someone who knew her. Don’t underplay what her abuser cousin did,
Some people need serious help and to get themselves a worthwhile hobby to keep them off the streets causing mayhem!!!!!!
Or more likely they need to get out ONTO THE STREETS and get a life instead of sitting at home alone on their computer causing mayhem.
This was one of the few super respectful and open interviews I've seen of Kirat ❤ although I have my opinions of how things could've panned out better, its her life and she deserved so much more respect. Being a desi woman, there is INSANE pressure to get married and love truly gives blinders on people. This was an elaborate ruse and unfortunately she was a victim of it and she had years of her life she'll never get back because of a horrible person who unfortunately will not get repercussions.
Amazing podcast Indy & Dr! 🎉
She still didn’t get how twisted the situation was and she used her logic to pursue her suspicions on Bobby two timing her but never to question how the whole thing wasn’t piecing together coherently …she’s showing bubble fatigue ! Btw consider what you would do if a random aurat showed up at your door like you did …they could have someone behind them waiting to barge in …get out of your bubble Kirat ! The aurat could be a ruse !
Kirat, I’ve only listened to Tortoise podcast and I never perceived you as a victim, just a brave and independent woman!
Hope S does not do this to other people.
So means identity should be exposed sorry lol she’s a total psychopath who wants to be near someone like that!?!
Be a good citizen recognise the rule of law which is what you are turning to for help today! Being a good Sikh ??
Bobby did know Kirat in real life, But Bobby now can't open-up as he's married and saying he doesn't know her. I can't go in more details about that.
What do you mean 😭
@@Mkkt-lb4gp It will come out in future just wait, there is a lot more to the story then what is told in docu or in the interview here.
I am close to someone involved in this whole fiasco so can't go in to much details.
RED FLAG - Is Mkkt-Ib4gp another one of simran's fake profiles?
@@DilipKumar-o6e5kHi Simran. How are you doing? I thought you were doing therapy? Please continue doing that. It's not having a good effect if you're not
@@za906 I think you need it more.
is indy supposed 2 b an observer in the podcast lol
Im also on the "how did she practically manage it" team?
She used years for it. Hours every day. It is almost impossible. And to keep the track of all the fake characters...psychopats are often super intelligent with very high IQ
I dont think Kirat was too naive.
It was impossible to not to believe that Bobby was real.
He existed.
She saw him. They had common friends. His family was talking to her.
Also time online goes in different pace.
Slowly. Suddenly it is years of writing.
She did become impatient later, depressed. But she invested too much time already. It is also difficult to leave someone in bad health or life situation and Simran had always created one.
I dont judge her at all.
She was the biggest victim, not Bobby.
He lived his life untouched
There were only 4-5 actual accounts not 60 as she claims.
Kerat I wish you a long happy life with all the happiness you truly deserve.
This is really happened with me a few days ago the same story I can't believe it
Why would the real Bobby care about her, she had the attachment not him she just a nobody that
Rocked up at his house
Kirat was in a relationship with BOBBY before he got married.
@@DilipKumar-o6e5k No, she was not. She was NEVER in a relationship with 'Bobby.' But Simran's dupe storyline was that Bobby had BEEN married, left his wife, started a 'relationship' with Kirat, then found out his soon-to-be ex-wife was pregnant. The real Bobby NEVER left his wife, and other than being accosted by her in a club once NEVER had ANY contact with Kirat whatsoever until she showed up on his doorstep acting like a maniac. You need to remember that Kirat had never, ever been in contact with 'Bobby,' Bobby's wife, Bobby's cousins or Bobby's friends like she thought she had... ALL of these were among the 60+ fake accounts created by Simran to keep her ruse going.
I just found the whole thing crazy. Gullible stupid desperately seeking attention.....i think theres more to the story. We all know what abuse n incest goes on behind closed doors....
What you mean exactly 🤔🤨? Abuse and incest isn't what's going on for this story n nor does it even suggest that ???
I think the story is fabricated to some extent to make it more tangible that's all.
Woah! Somebody has an overactiva imagination 😮
I just watched this on Netflix I’m horrified. Sending so much blessings to her
Why is she changing her stories? In every interview it's totally different..
wheres the change? its been absolutely consistent throughout
Full respect to Kirat!!! For being loyal!!! She’s a real princess who deserves the best man on this planet 🌎
It's always the Simrans!!!!!!!
Don’t think she’s really called Simran, it’s a pseudo name to maintain her privacy but yeah… watch out for the Simran’s 😅
@@sheena9090 sorry to break it to you but her real name is SIMRAN BHOGAL
@@AD_deep wow I thought it was a pseudo name to protect her… she needs to be exposed
@@sheena9090 She HAS been exposed. She had to quit her job, lived secluded at her parents' house for years and is now apparently getting married.
@ who would knowingly marry her? Unless they are unaware of the history or are a passport bro?
Kirat needs real help.. She just sold a fictional story and earned around £600,000 which she would have never earned her whole life.
Damn simran really had all the time in the world to create 60 profiles 😮😮 she needs to be punished!!! Life in prison