I liked the questions posed to identify the ‘why’ of you and think that once this is understood by more of us, it can allow for a more harmonious discussion on the topics of workplaces and redefine ways of working that aligns with purpose for all whilst considering our uniqueness. Perhaps those tribe members understand their why more clearly ;🤣@“you go to the store to get meat?!”🤣 Also appreciate the gold nugget on the key to elevating the self by offering service to others. Trevor, you’re the bomb at diffusing tension with laughter. Enjoyed every minute of this episode.
nailed it with the 'soul sucking experience' 👏🏼👏🏼cuz we all want to be on a 🎠🎠🎠 instead, or whatever it is for us. Look what you've done now, you've given me homework to think about 😀 great episode, aaand I see there's more of you with Simon..yeah!
I love how inquisitive both Cristiana and Trevor engaged in this dialogue. Specially by the end. Because I agree the shortcomings of this purpose seeking framework is that it disregards the work experience of the large majority of people (as workers in the conditions of David Greber’s bullshit jobs).
Something I'd push back on is this idea of separation between who you are at work and who you are as a person. In my experience it gives a pass to people to ruin other people's lives and take no responsibility for their cruelty by saying "it's just business". Secondly, society is set up for us to spend the majority of our lives at our jobs. So what you are saying if you disregard that as a criteria to judge a person is that where someone spends most of their time and energy does not count towards whether they are considered a good person or not.
Agreed. Also, masks are part of costumes. Everyome wears costumes/masks. Who a person is at work is actual a person dressed in costume/mask, not a different person. What you choose to play/cosplay is precisely the essence of who someone is in leisure and in business togther.
To add to this, you can be a hard, pushy, strict boss but still be a good person. In other words you may push people, you may expect a lot of people, and it can be done in a respectful and positive way if you are a good person and treat others accordingly. Just because you're at work doesn't give you an excuse to be an a$$hole, and if you are one at work it's probably because you just are one period.
Totally agree. That's why capitalism continues to have permission to push past human care and moral boundaries that have led to the United Health Care CEO being assassinated. Every aspect of life, including labor, shouldn't be "up for sale to the highest bidder" or can be thrown under the bus for any lucrative shareholder offer that comes to pass.
The two greatest excuses that, when we hear them, we are in agreement that the behavior is wrong, AND not an effing thing is going to be done about it, are: boys will be boys; it’s just business. you find both of these abhorrent , as do I, you can help dismantle the patriarchy. We women have plenty of work for you able-bodied men
Christiana's contributions to this episode were so invaluable because while I didn't agree with what she was saying, it helped me challenge myself to understand why I was so discomforted by some of the points she made. Thank you Christiana. I think there are people privileged enough to be centered in social and spiritual settings that have not become untethered from their social groups from micro (family) to macro (historical culture and identity). This is a privilege that not all people have. There was just a lot of privilege laden in these statements. First, labor is labor regardless of the system of rules by which it operates. Some labor is paid; some is unpaid. Social settings also require labor (usually inequitably so). And to Trevor's point sometimes people do unpaid social labor willingly because it serves them personally and experience joy and sometimes they don't. Somatic capacity greatly informs these experiences. Who has the energy to work in all these settings: the paid setting (to buy food and shelter), the usual unpaid family setting (to give and receive emotional food of love and nurture), the (fill in the blank) spiritual setting (to affirm and receive spiritual love and nurture) differs greatly based on social privilege. But all these settings to be well and productive and supportive and fulfilling takes energy. So having the energy to do all this work is a privilege also; though it can be cultivated. HOWEVER, historically there has been so much exploitation of the not privileged (insert identity group) in the U.S. The notion that social unpaid labor in social settings is per se rewarding (and not exploitative) while paid labor in all "private" settings is de facto exploitative or dangerous is a false dichotomy, at least for me (as a cis-femme). As if! capitalism or socialism or benevolent monarchy or democracy has ever accounted for the exploitative, involuntary AND unpaid labor of the exploited in any setting. Imo, having been raised in a social community that did not produce safe, affirming, joyful spaces for me as a child and young person, I at first chose a profession that would give me autonomy but it came with highly stressful and toxic work environments. But the freedom to control and decide how and when I use my labor when I watched people "struggle" in near poverty wage employment around me was integral to my education and professional journey. So when I woke up from that nightmare and started choosing joy, it necessarily meant I had to choose a safer place to do my paid (survival) work while I cultivated joy in social settings. So ultimately what I heard Christiana say is that she feels affirmed by the social communities of her upbringing which is beautiful and wonderful for her. It is simply not a universal experience. Some of us who are untethered from deeply rooted social "belonging" groups must create or cultivate those communities for ourselves. Joy is the core to what I choose to cultivate. So I really enjoyed that you all touched on a lot of the things that I have experienced even though I would have described it in different language. I maybe would have loved to hear a more direct acknowledgement not just of an unwarranted difference in treatment (read inequity) within paid labor systems but about unwarranted differences in treatment (read inequity) around unpaid labor in social institutions (like families ,churches, civic groups, and other identity groups) as well. Great talk though. loving the podcasts.
Some good points. It sounds a lot too that culture, experience, and other things completely contribute to the perspectives you and Christiana gave (and obviously that applies to Trevor and Simon too). This is kind of a "duh" statement and was even brought up a bit from Christiana but perhaps worth reminding ourselves as to why such stark differences. I would love to have a convo with you and Christiana on this topic and see what she might have had to say to the points you brought up. I understood what you said to be that our communities can sometimes be a source of unfair, purposeless, unjoyful labor just as the job can and that we may feel we have to look elsewhere like with a career if our experience with community growing up wasn't as fulfilling or fruitful or connective the way it seems Christiana's is/was. And where everyone kind of lands together here is that there are so many of us who don't currently have a community, we didn't have one perhaps ever or one was too underdeveloped, we aren't fulfilled or find joy with our careers/jobs/work, and it seems the problem is growing. I have so many questions and views stemming from the topics discussed in this episode. I wish there was a better way to discuss it all and with people like Trevor, Simon, Christiana, and yourself.
I think Dee has a much more thought out version of my take on it, but for me I would much rather do work that I find meaningful than work that I find meaningless and to some extent the compensation doesn't matter. If someone offered me a million dollars a year to go dig and then fill in holes vs 80,000 to build roads I would take the second job in a heartbeat because I would be absolutely miserable spending all my time achieving and building towards nothing. Just a fascinating difference in perspective.
Thank you for allowing us the privilege of sitting in on such an impactful conversation. Even in disagreement there was mutual respect and a desire to understand one another's perspective, we desperately need more of that throughout politics and society as a whole.
I also hate gossip and absolutely refused to take part in it in the last few years, but I decided to relax my priciples on that because I realized exactly what Christiana was saying: I didn`t pass on knowledge about men who were a problem at my work to other women. And collegues started to not trust me because my complete neutrality made them feel like I am hiding something or that I am "not on their team". I think there is some necessary flow of information in gossip, just don`t engage in the mean spirited stuff.
Great conversation. This is proof that there's a huge segment of the population who have a different perspective around purpose. In the end, as Simon said it best - we are all wired for service, but educated for greed. "The goal is not to convince the skeptics. The goal is to rally those who believe what we believe". Thoroughly enjoyed this chat! Simon Sinek, Africa is ready for you!
I believe our society often teaches us to dislike our work instead of encouraging us to find something we genuinely love. Of course, it’s important that we can still provide for our families, but when we learn to be true to ourselves and enjoy what we do, we become happier and can make even greater contributions to our communities. It’s truly a blessing to love your work. I hope more people realize this, discover their true passions, and follow a path that truly aligns with who they are.
@@DrAshaPrasad well there’s an elitist comment because not everyone has the luxury of getting to do something they really love. But it is important to know what your boundaries are around Any job you do, and to feel like you are being properly compensated and respected.
@@Xenophrenia It’s true we can’t always love our jobs, but as long as we feel respected, find some pride in our work, and receive fair compensation, that can make a difference.
Those are good communication rules: Socrates rules: 1. is that true, 2. is useful, 3, is positive. Do not generalize, show empathy, ask questions, do not judge, criticize or give advice, just ask questions.
@@celiamoreno5117 should it be interpreted like this : Do not generalize, do not judge, do not criticize, do not give advice instead show empathy and ask question?
I enjoyed the tension on this episode very much needed in the podcast space. Of course I,m always laughing my ass of as well as learning and having my own parasocial relationship with the subject matter. This episode I found myself engaged in another way. I was titliated. I never use that word hence the misspelling but yea, good episode as usual.
Wow! 😲Is it my birthday?!? 🧁🧁 Two episodes of Trevor and Simon show up in my YT feed around the same time??! 🙏🙏 I'm feeling blessed and lucky. And I'm looking forward to more Trevor and Simon collaboration episodes jam packed with intellectual and insightful conversation filled with their positive energy. Great episode with these two!! 😃😃
I feel or think that Christiana and Trevor and Simon are saying the same thing just from different points of view and with different terminologies/descriptions. They all are talking about purpose/community/tribe/source of fulfilment but Simon says you can get it anywhere including your place of work/job, Christiana says nope, you shouldn't get it anywhere else but your community if they get it from work people won't fix our broken community, while Trevor is just in between. I side with Simon, you can get tribe/feeling of contribution by building a pyramid or working in a purpose driven company or coming together to build a house for a neighbour who needs a house. Let's not exclude the company as a place for that... but yes, we need the bowling leagues back.
Surprisingly, this interview fell a bit short for me. But I appreciated Christiana's viewpoint and felt seen. Thank you to Christiana, Trevor and crew for your work in putting these together.
I love Christiana's perspective in this conversation. It's just as strong as Trevor & Simon's perspectives. Role of "gossip" in regards to safeguarding a woman's workplace livelihood in a male-dominant work culture is a interesting topic to explore. (I don't know if I'm wording my thoughts effectively 😮).
I found Simon’s comment particularly insightful: *"...they try to choose people who believe in the same values, who are cultural contributors rather than cultural fits."* I also appreciated Trevor Noah’s observation that the *"purpose, meaning, and why"* behind one’s motivation to work is constantly shifting. A few other points stood out to me as well. For instance, the notion that *"...the outcome is a bonus"* feels strikingly out of sync with the corporate world’s priorities. Additionally, Simon’s connection of this individual’s “why” to her identity as a Protector was especially compelling and touching at the same time. Really enjoyed this episode!
I haven't known much about Simon but I liked the convo with him overall. But he certainly has some loopholes or blindspots that could be pointed out. An example is he spoke about Friedman's version of Capitalism in the 1970s but if you look into history more within the US (though I'm sure this can be said in other countries as well) we had some very ugly brands of Capitalism a lot further back as well that very much did/said what Friedman did in the Op column. The New Deal was actually a response to all the crony Capitalism that took place and allowed to fester. And it took a woman, Frances Perkins, who FDR made Secretary of Labor to finally get us to many of those corrections (minimum wage, SSI, safer working conditions, end of child labor, etc.) coming from the abusive business class and elite. If anything, Friedman may have reminded the business elite what to focus on (their greed) and that's what many have been pushing for and trying to do since then. Slowly, but surely, and through deceit, lies, ignorance and hatred, they've been convincing us all to go against our own interests so that the rich can become even more filthy rich and strip away all those corrections that counterbalanced some of that greed from before. Friedman helped to send us on a path to repeat history again. It wasn't a start of a new brand of Capitalism though. He was trying to get the business (and political) elite to go back to the wrong kind of it. I don't think Simon was fully understanding where Christiana was coming from regarding work, purpose, and community. I couldn't completely agree with any of the three on the matter but I did learn something from each with their perspectives. I can see how gossip can be both good and bad as well. I would say at least half of all gossip, if not more, is the result of injustice and/or the result of not being able to have honest, open conversations. I do hope Trevor and whatever guest makes a little more room to let Christiana get out her points and perspectives more. There really is a whole trove of valuable information that women and especially black women can offer if people would just listen. Trevor knows this but could work on this in action more by letting Christiana speak a bit more or at least letting her make her full point heard. I was happy to hear though Simon's answer for people who feel lost or stuck or what have you; service really is something that can give people purpose and I've been saying it for a long time myself. Maybe people will listen to Simon more on this because of his status. Coincidentally, Trevor said, "you sound like my mother," because as I've mentioned already: women especially black women have a whole trove of valuable information to offer. Simon reminded us of service but I feel that that is something many of us women have already known for millennia. If only people listened to the lessons from the right people more. lol
36:36 For lack of a better description, Lee Kuan Yew was the "benevolent dictator" that Singapore needed in our founding years. We are "pragmatists" rather than "capitalist" or "socialist". So our nation's story may be good material for you guys... On separating work with family, I see our lives as constantly moving about in a house. At one time I need to be in the kitchen, at others bedroom, toilet, bedroom etc. We have problems when we spend too much time in one room (eg., always at work). Some rooms' privacy must be protected (space for spouse - bedroom, space for self - bathroom) and enough time must be allocated for them. There can be overlaps, when we share different rooms with some people (eg friends at work and social "rooms"). Discussions become difficult when we draw hard lines to separate family, social, work parts of life.
I work in an office environment. I never thought teaching was that until I started having the same experiences as my friends in corporate including hearing words like "holding space" etc. I can't say that I don't gossip but I don't like when people neg you waiting for a response and it continues each year. I have a life outside of work and that's where I want to invest my time we shouldn't be penalized for that so I agree about separation of work and personal life.
Golden. Three brilliant minds and hearts being transparent around the issues that matter most. Thank you, it was joy listening to all of you. 👑💜 P.s.: I love how Trevor is always looking out for everybody to rise with him, his comrades are a testament to this. Genuinely interested and committed, adding to the benevolence and progress of our troubled human family.
Thanks for the episode, I appreciate the focus on the personal reality and “why”, where as the Noah on the Sinek podcast episode seemed to focus on the macro reality. Almost like the other side of the coin of this episode.
Thanks, Trevor, this was really great! What resonated the most for me, is to find your personal Why. As Mark Twain wrote: What are the two most important days in your life? "The day you are born and the day you find out why,"
Intriguing! An unfinished discussion... Trevor navigates the beautiful and grotesque facets of life through the lens of humor... had me laughing in the pandemic. Simon is a philosopher-explorer climbing a mountain whose peak is undiscovered and out of sight... continues to inspire me.
It feels like Simon has some blindspotting to work on. His perspectives are interesting and have great nuance, but I feel he misses a vital point that a white cis man won’t experience in life when it comes to privilege. Life doesn’t give a full perspective from just the eyes of someone treated as the top of the system, he would benefit from hearing more of Christiana and other black women to alleviate this blindspot.
I really had a great time watching this….i had just the opportunity to watch this two (simon and trevor) at simon’s channel..and now this?? Happy me really😊😊
I have enjoyed the insightful verbal sparring between Simon and Trevor from the past and really enjoyed todays show. Adding Christiania was a delightful addition by adding a woman’s perspective as well. More please!
I firmly believe in the Peter Principle that says that “people rise to the level of their incompetence”. I asked my manager a question about something I was puzzled about that had to do with my job, and she replied, “I have no idea what you are talking about”.
My contract with a company eneded this month. It was a 6 month contract. They had set up unrealistic sales target expectations, make horrific financial decisions and the ceo was demoted to head of sales and they were terrible at that job. Plus I needed to report to them. That person created a toxic work environment for me and yet I believed in the product and saw the potential and put more than 100% into my role. I laid an extraordinary foundation of sales that will come to fruition in 2025 and met 24% of their unrealistic sales goals, but they opted not to renew my contract as they could not afford me. Instead of firing the ceo who was demoted to head of sales and made terrible decisions, my results under their conditions was chosen to be not good enough for the company to keep me yet they will be working on the ground work I set forth for them. Unbelievable.
Somethings to consider is it helpful?, is it kind?, is it necessary? , if not it is useless gossip. But sometimes in my life i get to talking about someone else problem because i am trying to dissect a relationship or problem to help someone or to understand what went wrong Like 2 people might discuss what they think is wrong with a car engine. But it is a relationship breakdown. Or how can we support this person in this new position while they adjust to the responsibilities.
I love Christina's perspective so much. I want to hear her speak more. Although the banter between trevor and christiana is funny, i feel like she is interrupted and shut down a lot. Or people end up reexplaning her opinion and claiming it as their own. Still, overall, a great conversation and i love them both.
This convo started by the discussion of the relationship between the two men and how they discuss/ challenge each other about modern life.. Nobody shuts this woman down…
Christiana brings a meaningful and often dismissed perspective. An opportunity was missed here. Nonetheless, What Now is my favorite podcast in a long while.
@@SiphehZunfortunately some of us talk in sarcasm and knowing when to turn it off and on can bypass you especially when you're in comfortable company😬😅
A great conversation overall. The ideas and analysis on chaos and leadership were very educative. We think that Mr. Noah's question on "one finding their community" was answered by the guest on the "modern society anti greed needs response" perspective. Not on the other societal background understanding. In the called modern society, "addictions" are indeed considered privilege over the simplicity of life: community, self authenticity, others love and acceptance, ect. "The need for service" is a perfect response for the pure selfish mind and spirit. This means someone whose life has always depended on someone else to lack or be deprived somewhere else. For someone in societies where life in community is a daily experience, however, if they experience such a thing as "needing to find their community", it means they are not indeed at the right place. If service was the problem; Jesus; The Lord, served His people, yet they rejected Him (He was not welcomed and they ensured He felt it, for benefits of their systems...). Therefore, service was not the issue in this case. It was the people with whom he was. So, the guest answer is what the called modern society needs; "Giving Back" what has been taken from the world. In other societies it is "leaving the place" the eventual solution. We add this quote we have at WorldWide Educative "When one is at home, they know they are and it reflects on them and anything else they do". Thank you for the conversation. Always a pleasure watching you doing what you do, Mr. Noah. #TrevorNoah #WhatNowWithTrevorNoah #UnderstandingChaos #ContextualAndCircumstantialSolutions #WarmGreetingsFromEstherAtWorldWideEducative.
Gossip is culturally healthy, especially for women. That's how they communicated and stayed safe throughout history. It's looked down on because it's historically female. As she stated it's warnings for who to stay away from and what is happening culturally that might present opportunities. I actually disagree with the guys on venting. Never ever vent about your personal or professional life at work to anyone, even a work bestie. People play around and find out at work. I never talk about my personal life (only my pet) and never complain at work (only bring up problems w solutions). You never want to be negative Nancy or the one who talk sh*t all the time. People will know they can't trust you. Same with the Gossip, it has to careful and thought out. You can't just say all the things all the time without discernment. Basically always be smart when you open your mouth at work, so people trust you.
Words have power and storytelling comes with great responsibility. It is a tool that can build and it can also destroy. Gossip as storytelling can be a powerful weapon also because it doesn't require accountability, only the author's perspective. When I encounter a gossip, I learn more about them than what they are saying and I absolutely steer clear of them. Also I'm a woman and I think gossip is weaponized against women the most not men.
yeah, i respect simon's position but i feel like the idea that venting at work is beneficial is definitely something that's more true for men. for example, if women vent about their kids, they may be taken less seriously in the future because subconsciously people may think they're not as focused on working.
Chris is so right on gossip and the history of it and the role it had in protecting women and it still does in in this age. We’re protecting each other with what is called gossip.. I felt like Christina was interrupted so much she couldn’t get to the point she was trying to make!! very annoying, even though I love Simon and Trevor they were interrupting her all the time when she was trying to explain the history of gossip and its role in protecting the people, especially women
Disagree. A girl friend and I used to take a week and invite other women friends to five nights of dinners. She didn’t know my friends and I didn’t know hers because we wanted no gossip. Fascinating …great meals and conversations…and because nobody knew else anyone knew…no names, little of no personal criticisms, but plenty of discussion about women navigating the world.
I do value Christiana's views and the perspective she gave that raised my awarness, and yes there is a but. Sometimes she is over explaining and at times disruptive to the flow of the conversation, sometimes overtalking Simon and Trevor. However I love her in the one-to-one conversation with Trevor, where she truly shines.
The example that Christina brought up is good, cause I’ve worked in a work place with a very similar situation where a women, warned all of us about a male co-worker. A month or so later she got brought in to a HR meeting about gossiping and spreading harmful rumours about him. Even though the women only made sure not to be one on one with him, they all still talked to him, even invited him to events that most of the co-workers were invited to. What She, the women at work and seemingly Simon & Trevor perceived as a warning, work deemed gossip.
I think where Simon misses Christiana's point about purpose is that, not finding purpose in work does not equate to finding purpose in money. Quite the opposite. It means finding a proper work-life balance to do the things and see the people that do give you purpose. If Simon gave Christiana more money to work at a different job, it might require more travel, longer work hours, etc. that take her away from her family and her purpose. A better question to ask would have been, if I could make it so that you never have to work again and only spend time with your family, would you? That's a truer test of whether someone truly doesn't find purpose in work. I think a lot of us might answer yes to that question.
One "why" your entire life. I can get behind that. My why has always been to be better than those that came before me. A better parent. A better spouse. A better human. Everything I do, I do to prove to myself that, love and joy and safety can be created despite the lack that came before. I'm not perfect. But I am certainly better (by my own understanding of better).
I am so impressed with Simon’s description of human behavior in relation to tribal norms. We do honor our alphas and do them favors but Friedman messed us up with his greedy change in capitalism. Yes, the alphas are expected to keep the tribe happy and healthy by taking care of us with whatever tools we have. Present day alphas are going to get taken down. I never thought of that in such a clear and simple way. brilliant
Christiane was very much like "duuuude you are so close to figuring out socialism but you're to much of a white finance bro to realise it" during the whole speech about service at the end
Great show. Appreciate Christiana's viewpoint. Simon talks from the C-suite consultant seat. Also, he really shouldn't make up scenarios 50K years ago people take these anecdotes literally. There are plenty of leadership models in hunter gatherer and farming communities that he could read a few sources and have ready. Keep up the great work Trevor and team!
I love that Simon talked about the alternatives to “someone being lazy” but, too much grace creates a permission structure for them to continue to be “lazy” Give people the benefit of the doubt but don’t ignore overwhelming evidence.
Watching this episode in the office. I find what Christiana's point makes sense. "Gossip" is a point communal safety. And from a Black women perspective its very much needed in places that tend to be hostile by default.
I think the argument Christiana making past the halfway park which wasn't fully unpacked was - Humans have a deeper purpose for self-actualization, and we should not entrust companies with this core desire, or worse- to allow them to sell us on it. Just my interpretation, and I think it's an interesting perspective.
Wow, firstly, 3 of my favourites on a podcast. Christiana is growing on me :-) I love her energy. Secondly, I absolutely love that no matter how many times I listen to Simon, EVERY single time I learn something new. Lastly, I know my Why, but I feel like I've lost some of that, and now I am going to think about that Merry-go-round childhood memory. It's only when I applied for a position that seemed obvious to me but not to others that I was forced to unpack the "why I chose to apply" and then convince the CEO to hire me and exceed expectations during those 18 months that I knew what needed to exist for me to feel a sense of purpose. So I realise now that when I feel lost or unfulfilled, I just need to go back to why those 3 things do not exist at that moment.
Thanks for choosing to share your story or at least an epiphany this video birthed. Reading what you shared resonated with me the same way this video has. Peace and blessings!
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I liked the questions posed to identify the ‘why’ of you and think that once this is understood by more of us, it can allow for a more harmonious discussion on the topics of workplaces and redefine ways of working that aligns with purpose for all whilst considering our uniqueness.
Perhaps those tribe members understand their why more clearly ;🤣@“you go to the store to get meat?!”🤣
Also appreciate the gold nugget on the key to elevating the self by offering service to others.
Trevor, you’re the bomb at diffusing tension with laughter. Enjoyed every minute of this episode.
This is gold! Cheers from Brazil to y'all, Trevs, Chris and Simon!
nailed it with the 'soul sucking experience' 👏🏼👏🏼cuz we all want to be on a 🎠🎠🎠 instead, or whatever it is for us. Look what you've done now, you've given me homework to think about 😀
great episode, aaand I see there's more of you with Simon..yeah!
I love how inquisitive both Cristiana and Trevor engaged in this dialogue. Specially by the end. Because I agree the shortcomings of this purpose seeking framework is that it disregards the work experience of the large majority of people (as workers in the conditions of David Greber’s bullshit jobs).
Who is the co-host? 😊
2 of my favorite people, 2 times in a week together. Outstanding 😊
I said the same thing! It really is the holidays haha
Something I'd push back on is this idea of separation between who you are at work and who you are as a person. In my experience it gives a pass to people to ruin other people's lives and take no responsibility for their cruelty by saying "it's just business". Secondly, society is set up for us to spend the majority of our lives at our jobs. So what you are saying if you disregard that as a criteria to judge a person is that where someone spends most of their time and energy does not count towards whether they are considered a good person or not.
Agreed. Also, masks are part of costumes. Everyome wears costumes/masks. Who a person is at work is actual a person dressed in costume/mask, not a different person. What you choose to play/cosplay is precisely the essence of who someone is in leisure and in business togther.
To add to this, you can be a hard, pushy, strict boss but still be a good person. In other words you may push people, you may expect a lot of people, and it can be done in a respectful and positive way if you are a good person and treat others accordingly. Just because you're at work doesn't give you an excuse to be an a$$hole, and if you are one at work it's probably because you just are one period.
Totally agree. That's why capitalism continues to have permission to push past human care and moral boundaries that have led to the United Health Care CEO being assassinated. Every aspect of life, including labor, shouldn't be "up for sale to the highest bidder" or can be thrown under the bus for any lucrative shareholder offer that comes to pass.
The two greatest excuses that, when we hear them, we are in agreement that the behavior is wrong, AND not an effing thing is going to be done about it, are: boys will be boys; it’s just business.
you find both of these abhorrent , as do I, you can help dismantle the patriarchy. We women have plenty of work for you able-bodied men
Just said what was on my mind! I won’t trust someone who treats shit with Janitors and angel with his family! He is doubled-faced hypocrite
Christiana's contributions to this episode were so invaluable because while I didn't agree with what she was saying, it helped me challenge myself to understand why I was so discomforted by some of the points she made. Thank you Christiana. I think there are people privileged enough to be centered in social and spiritual settings that have not become untethered from their social groups from micro (family) to macro (historical culture and identity). This is a privilege that not all people have. There was just a lot of privilege laden in these statements. First, labor is labor regardless of the system of rules by which it operates. Some labor is paid; some is unpaid. Social settings also require labor (usually inequitably so). And to Trevor's point sometimes people do unpaid social labor willingly because it serves them personally and experience joy and sometimes they don't. Somatic capacity greatly informs these experiences. Who has the energy to work in all these settings: the paid setting (to buy food and shelter), the usual unpaid family setting (to give and receive emotional food of love and nurture), the (fill in the blank) spiritual setting (to affirm and receive spiritual love and nurture) differs greatly based on social privilege. But all these settings to be well and productive and supportive and fulfilling takes energy. So having the energy to do all this work is a privilege also; though it can be cultivated. HOWEVER, historically there has been so much exploitation of the not privileged (insert identity group) in the U.S. The notion that social unpaid labor in social settings is per se rewarding (and not exploitative) while paid labor in all "private" settings is de facto exploitative or dangerous is a false dichotomy, at least for me (as a cis-femme). As if! capitalism or socialism or benevolent monarchy or democracy has ever accounted for the exploitative, involuntary AND unpaid labor of the exploited in any setting. Imo, having been raised in a social community that did not produce safe, affirming, joyful spaces for me as a child and young person, I at first chose a profession that would give me autonomy but it came with highly stressful and toxic work environments. But the freedom to control and decide how and when I use my labor when I watched people "struggle" in near poverty wage employment around me was integral to my education and professional journey. So when I woke up from that nightmare and started choosing joy, it necessarily meant I had to choose a safer place to do my paid (survival) work while I cultivated joy in social settings. So ultimately what I heard Christiana say is that she feels affirmed by the social communities of her upbringing which is beautiful and wonderful for her. It is simply not a universal experience. Some of us who are untethered from deeply rooted social "belonging" groups must create or cultivate those communities for ourselves. Joy is the core to what I choose to cultivate. So I really enjoyed that you all touched on a lot of the things that I have experienced even though I would have described it in different language. I maybe would have loved to hear a more direct acknowledgement not just of an unwarranted difference in treatment (read inequity) within paid labor systems but about unwarranted differences in treatment (read inequity) around unpaid labor in social institutions (like families ,churches, civic groups, and other identity groups) as well. Great talk though. loving the podcasts.
Some good points. It sounds a lot too that culture, experience, and other things completely contribute to the perspectives you and Christiana gave (and obviously that applies to Trevor and Simon too). This is kind of a "duh" statement and was even brought up a bit from Christiana but perhaps worth reminding ourselves as to why such stark differences. I would love to have a convo with you and Christiana on this topic and see what she might have had to say to the points you brought up. I understood what you said to be that our communities can sometimes be a source of unfair, purposeless, unjoyful labor just as the job can and that we may feel we have to look elsewhere like with a career if our experience with community growing up wasn't as fulfilling or fruitful or connective the way it seems Christiana's is/was.
And where everyone kind of lands together here is that there are so many of us who don't currently have a community, we didn't have one perhaps ever or one was too underdeveloped, we aren't fulfilled or find joy with our careers/jobs/work, and it seems the problem is growing.
I have so many questions and views stemming from the topics discussed in this episode. I wish there was a better way to discuss it all and with people like Trevor, Simon, Christiana, and yourself.
I think Dee has a much more thought out version of my take on it, but for me I would much rather do work that I find meaningful than work that I find meaningless and to some extent the compensation doesn't matter. If someone offered me a million dollars a year to go dig and then fill in holes vs 80,000 to build roads I would take the second job in a heartbeat because I would be absolutely miserable spending all my time achieving and building towards nothing.
Just a fascinating difference in perspective.
I literally just finished watching you guys on Simon's channel.
Me too hhh
Thank you algo
same haha
sameeeee
Same.
Thank you for allowing us the privilege of sitting in on such an impactful conversation. Even in disagreement there was mutual respect and a desire to understand one another's perspective, we desperately need more of that throughout politics and society as a whole.
I hate gossip. It’s a cancer. Such great conversation and wonderful example of how to wrestle with different perspectives.
I also hate gossip and absolutely refused to take part in it in the last few years, but I decided to relax my priciples on that because I realized exactly what Christiana was saying: I didn`t pass on knowledge about men who were a problem at my work to other women. And collegues started to not trust me because my complete neutrality made them feel like I am hiding something or that I am "not on their team".
I think there is some necessary flow of information in gossip, just don`t engage in the mean spirited stuff.
Great conversation. This is proof that there's a huge segment of the population who have a different perspective around purpose. In the end, as Simon said it best - we are all wired for service, but educated for greed. "The goal is not to convince the skeptics. The goal is to rally those who believe what we believe". Thoroughly enjoyed this chat! Simon Sinek, Africa is ready for you!
Whoa! Just watched these two geniuses on Simon's pod and now here? We are blessed!
I believe our society often teaches us to dislike our work instead of encouraging us to find something we genuinely love. Of course, it’s important that we can still provide for our families, but when we learn to be true to ourselves and enjoy what we do, we become happier and can make even greater contributions to our communities. It’s truly a blessing to love your work. I hope more people realize this, discover their true passions, and follow a path that truly aligns with who they are.
but there are A LOT of jobs that HAVE to be done that NO ONE would "love" ...
@@DrAshaPrasad well there’s an elitist comment because not everyone has the luxury of getting to do something they really love. But it is important to know what your boundaries are around Any job you do, and to feel like you are being properly compensated and respected.
@@cabrown308 I completely agree with you, being respected and properly compensated is very important no matter what the job is.
@@Xenophrenia It’s true we can’t always love our jobs, but as long as we feel respected, find some pride in our work, and receive fair compensation, that can make a difference.
Those are good communication rules: Socrates rules: 1. is that true, 2. is useful, 3, is positive. Do not generalize, show empathy, ask questions, do not judge, criticize or give advice, just ask questions.
@@celiamoreno5117 should it be interpreted like this : Do not generalize, do not judge, do not criticize, do not give advice instead show empathy and ask question?
Genuinely a wonderful conversation. Thank you all for it!
Yes
I enjoyed the tension on this episode very much needed in the podcast space. Of course I,m always laughing my ass of as well as learning and having my own parasocial relationship with the subject matter. This episode I found myself engaged in another way. I was titliated. I never use that word hence the misspelling but yea, good episode as usual.
Wow! 😲Is it my birthday?!? 🧁🧁 Two episodes of Trevor and Simon show up in my YT feed around the same time??! 🙏🙏 I'm feeling blessed and lucky. And I'm looking forward to more Trevor and Simon collaboration episodes jam packed with intellectual and insightful conversation filled with their positive energy. Great episode with these two!! 😃😃
Double doses of awesomeness😍 from A bit of Optimism to What Now🦋🌹
I feel or think that Christiana and Trevor and Simon are saying the same thing just from different points of view and with different terminologies/descriptions. They all are talking about purpose/community/tribe/source of fulfilment but Simon says you can get it anywhere including your place of work/job, Christiana says nope, you shouldn't get it anywhere else but your community if they get it from work people won't fix our broken community, while Trevor is just in between. I side with Simon, you can get tribe/feeling of contribution by building a pyramid or working in a purpose driven company or coming together to build a house for a neighbour who needs a house. Let's not exclude the company as a place for that... but yes, we need the bowling leagues back.
I feel like Trevor’s always in the between😂
I’m with Simon too! Like he said, it’s a shift in corporate culture bc the ppl wanted it-totally agree
Trevor, I love your mind.
This is ABSOLUTELY why we listen. Thank you
Surprisingly, this interview fell a bit short for me. But I appreciated Christiana's viewpoint and felt seen. Thank you to Christiana, Trevor and crew for your work in putting these together.
I love Christiana's perspective in this conversation. It's just as strong as Trevor & Simon's perspectives. Role of "gossip" in regards to safeguarding a woman's workplace livelihood in a male-dominant work culture is a interesting topic to explore. (I don't know if I'm wording my thoughts effectively 😮).
I just love listening to Trevor’s thought process. So much similarity to how I think about things. How I wrestle.
This was one of my favorite convos you've done
I found Simon’s comment particularly insightful: *"...they try to choose people who believe in the same values, who are cultural contributors rather than cultural fits."* I also appreciated Trevor Noah’s observation that the *"purpose, meaning, and why"* behind one’s motivation to work is constantly shifting.
A few other points stood out to me as well. For instance, the notion that *"...the outcome is a bonus"* feels strikingly out of sync with the corporate world’s priorities. Additionally, Simon’s connection of this individual’s “why” to her identity as a Protector was especially compelling and touching at the same time.
Really enjoyed this episode!
I think its important to emphasise how you vent. Have hobbies, don’t just lash out
"Do I seek to hire someone that is a cultural contributor or just a cultural fit?" -- Great conversation!
Great point @simonsinek. Phenomenal perspective on leadership
Two brilliant minds coming together. What a masterpiece. 🌈🔥💖🙏🏽🥳
This was extremely insightful for me. It was the first time I ever dove deep into my "happiest childhood memory". Thank you.
Oh!!! The return interview! 🤩🤩🤩 What a great present! 🙏😊
Thanks!
Very good distinction between (ill-intentioned) gossip and (socially responsible, truth-focused) history telling, Trevor.
Thank you.
This is one of the best episodes. Christiana makes it so interesting. 🥰
Thanks a lot.
I haven't known much about Simon but I liked the convo with him overall. But he certainly has some loopholes or blindspots that could be pointed out. An example is he spoke about Friedman's version of Capitalism in the 1970s but if you look into history more within the US (though I'm sure this can be said in other countries as well) we had some very ugly brands of Capitalism a lot further back as well that very much did/said what Friedman did in the Op column. The New Deal was actually a response to all the crony Capitalism that took place and allowed to fester. And it took a woman, Frances Perkins, who FDR made Secretary of Labor to finally get us to many of those corrections (minimum wage, SSI, safer working conditions, end of child labor, etc.) coming from the abusive business class and elite. If anything, Friedman may have reminded the business elite what to focus on (their greed) and that's what many have been pushing for and trying to do since then. Slowly, but surely, and through deceit, lies, ignorance and hatred, they've been convincing us all to go against our own interests so that the rich can become even more filthy rich and strip away all those corrections that counterbalanced some of that greed from before. Friedman helped to send us on a path to repeat history again. It wasn't a start of a new brand of Capitalism though. He was trying to get the business (and political) elite to go back to the wrong kind of it.
I don't think Simon was fully understanding where Christiana was coming from regarding work, purpose, and community. I couldn't completely agree with any of the three on the matter but I did learn something from each with their perspectives. I can see how gossip can be both good and bad as well. I would say at least half of all gossip, if not more, is the result of injustice and/or the result of not being able to have honest, open conversations. I do hope Trevor and whatever guest makes a little more room to let Christiana get out her points and perspectives more. There really is a whole trove of valuable information that women and especially black women can offer if people would just listen. Trevor knows this but could work on this in action more by letting Christiana speak a bit more or at least letting her make her full point heard.
I was happy to hear though Simon's answer for people who feel lost or stuck or what have you; service really is something that can give people purpose and I've been saying it for a long time myself. Maybe people will listen to Simon more on this because of his status. Coincidentally, Trevor said, "you sound like my mother," because as I've mentioned already: women especially black women have a whole trove of valuable information to offer. Simon reminded us of service but I feel that that is something many of us women have already known for millennia. If only people listened to the lessons from the right people more. lol
36:36 For lack of a better description, Lee Kuan Yew was the "benevolent dictator" that Singapore needed in our founding years. We are "pragmatists" rather than "capitalist" or "socialist". So our nation's story may be good material for you guys...
On separating work with family, I see our lives as constantly moving about in a house. At one time I need to be in the kitchen, at others bedroom, toilet, bedroom etc. We have problems when we spend too much time in one room (eg., always at work). Some rooms' privacy must be protected (space for spouse - bedroom, space for self - bathroom) and enough time must be allocated for them. There can be overlaps, when we share different rooms with some people (eg friends at work and social "rooms"). Discussions become difficult when we draw hard lines to separate family, social, work parts of life.
LOVED This!!! Thank you all for this mentally stimulating conversation
I work in an office environment. I never thought teaching was that until I started having the same experiences as my friends in corporate including hearing words like "holding space" etc. I can't say that I don't gossip but I don't like when people neg you waiting for a response and it continues each year. I have a life outside of work and that's where I want to invest my time we shouldn't be penalized for that so I agree about separation of work and personal life.
Golden. Three brilliant minds and hearts being transparent around the issues that matter most. Thank you, it was joy listening to all of you. 👑💜 P.s.: I love how Trevor is always looking out for everybody to rise with him, his comrades are a testament to this. Genuinely interested and committed, adding to the benevolence and progress of our troubled human family.
Loved the dynamic the ending was very climatic but a strong message for the people keep it up!
Thanks for the episode, I appreciate the focus on the personal reality and “why”, where as the Noah on the Sinek podcast episode seemed to focus on the macro reality. Almost like the other side of the coin of this episode.
Thanks, Trevor, this was really great! What resonated the most for me, is to find your personal Why. As Mark Twain wrote: What are the two most important days in your life? "The day you are born and the day you find out why,"
Just listened to them on Simon's channel, and this video popped up. yaaay
Thank you so much. I really enjoyed this episode!
Trevor bra. You and Simon need to do a mini series podcast together. I am searching the internet for all you guys chatting together. So interesting
I love what Christiana brings to these discussions ❤️
Intriguing! An unfinished discussion...
Trevor navigates the beautiful and grotesque facets of life through the lens of humor... had me laughing in the pandemic.
Simon is a philosopher-explorer climbing a mountain whose peak is undiscovered and out of sight... continues to inspire me.
I love Trevor’s giggles😂😂
It feels like Simon has some blindspotting to work on. His perspectives are interesting and have great nuance, but I feel he misses a vital point that a white cis man won’t experience in life when it comes to privilege. Life doesn’t give a full perspective from just the eyes of someone treated as the top of the system, he would benefit from hearing more of Christiana and other black women to alleviate this blindspot.
Thank you for sane conversation. Brilliant.
All inspiring Simon, as usual. Great convo!
I really had a great time watching this….i had just the opportunity to watch this two (simon and trevor) at simon’s channel..and now this?? Happy me really😊😊
I have enjoyed the insightful verbal sparring between Simon and Trevor from the past and really enjoyed todays show. Adding Christiania was a delightful addition by adding a woman’s perspective as well. More please!
Thank you for the service
I firmly believe in the Peter Principle that says that “people rise to the level of their incompetence”. I asked my manager a question about something I was puzzled about that had to do with my job, and she replied, “I have no idea what you are talking about”.
Simón is definitely talking talking about the Dave Ramsey show and definitely applies to his company.
At what moment
My contract with a company eneded this month. It was a 6 month contract. They had set up unrealistic sales target expectations, make horrific financial decisions and the ceo was demoted to head of sales and they were terrible at that job. Plus I needed to report to them. That person created a toxic work environment for me and yet I believed in the product and saw the potential and put more than 100% into my role. I laid an extraordinary foundation of sales that will come to fruition in 2025 and met 24% of their unrealistic sales goals, but they opted not to renew my contract as they could not afford me. Instead of firing the ceo who was demoted to head of sales and made terrible decisions, my results under their conditions was chosen to be not good enough for the company to keep me yet they will be working on the ground work I set forth for them. Unbelievable.
Somethings to consider is it helpful?, is it kind?, is it necessary? , if not it is useless gossip. But sometimes in my life i get to talking about someone else problem because i am trying to dissect a relationship or problem to help someone or to understand what went wrong
Like 2 people might discuss what they think is wrong with a car engine. But it is a relationship breakdown. Or how can we support this person in this new position while they adjust to the responsibilities.
I love Christina's perspective so much. I want to hear her speak more. Although the banter between trevor and christiana is funny, i feel like she is interrupted and shut down a lot. Or people end up reexplaning her opinion and claiming it as their own. Still, overall, a great conversation and i love them both.
This convo started by the discussion of the relationship between the two men and how they discuss/ challenge each other about modern life.. Nobody shuts this woman down…
Excited to watch & listen!
You are the best Trevor 😊
Christiana brings a meaningful and often dismissed perspective. An opportunity was missed here. Nonetheless, What Now is my favorite podcast in a long while.
My current favourite duo😭
Excellent program! Thank you 🙏🏾
I love the tough love btwn Trevor and Christina😂🤭
I love how Christiana kept Simon on his toes.
I just wish she wouldn't make everything kinda jokey.
@@SiphehZunfortunately some of us talk in sarcasm and knowing when to turn it off and on can bypass you especially when you're in comfortable company😬😅
I loved this!I love Simon, but Christiana's viewpoint was absolutely needed and appreciated here.
Learned a lot. Thank you Simon!
A great conversation overall. The ideas and analysis on chaos and leadership were very educative.
We think that Mr. Noah's question on "one finding their community" was answered by the guest on the "modern society anti greed needs response" perspective. Not on the other societal background understanding.
In the called modern society, "addictions" are indeed considered privilege over the simplicity of life: community, self authenticity, others love and acceptance, ect.
"The need for service" is a perfect response for the pure selfish mind and spirit. This means someone whose life has always depended on someone else to lack or be deprived somewhere else.
For someone in societies where life in community is a daily experience, however, if they experience such a thing as "needing to find their community", it means they are not indeed at the right place.
If service was the problem; Jesus; The Lord, served His people, yet they rejected Him (He was not welcomed and they ensured He felt it, for benefits of their systems...).
Therefore, service was not the issue in this case. It was the people with whom he was.
So, the guest answer is what the called modern society needs; "Giving Back" what has been taken from the world.
In other societies it is "leaving the place" the eventual solution.
We add this quote we have at WorldWide Educative "When one is at home, they know they are and it reflects on them and anything else they do".
Thank you for the conversation. Always a pleasure watching you doing what you do, Mr. Noah.
#TrevorNoah
#WhatNowWithTrevorNoah
#UnderstandingChaos
#ContextualAndCircumstantialSolutions
#WarmGreetingsFromEstherAtWorldWideEducative.
Gossip is culturally healthy, especially for women. That's how they communicated and stayed safe throughout history. It's looked down on because it's historically female. As she stated it's warnings for who to stay away from and what is happening culturally that might present opportunities. I actually disagree with the guys on venting. Never ever vent about your personal or professional life at work to anyone, even a work bestie. People play around and find out at work. I never talk about my personal life (only my pet) and never complain at work (only bring up problems w solutions). You never want to be negative Nancy or the one who talk sh*t all the time. People will know they can't trust you. Same with the Gossip, it has to careful and thought out. You can't just say all the things all the time without discernment. Basically always be smart when you open your mouth at work, so people trust you.
Words have power and storytelling comes with great responsibility. It is a tool that can build and it can also destroy. Gossip as storytelling can be a powerful weapon also because it doesn't require accountability, only the author's perspective. When I encounter a gossip, I learn more about them than what they are saying and I absolutely steer clear of them. Also I'm a woman and I think gossip is weaponized against women the most not men.
yeah, i respect simon's position but i feel like the idea that venting at work is beneficial is definitely something that's more true for men. for example, if women vent about their kids, they may be taken less seriously in the future because subconsciously people may think they're not as focused on working.
Chris is so right on gossip and the history of it and the role it had in protecting women and it still does in in this age. We’re protecting each other with what is called gossip.. I felt like Christina was interrupted so much she couldn’t get to the point she was trying to make!! very annoying, even though I love Simon and Trevor they were interrupting her all the time when she was trying to explain the history of gossip and its role in protecting the people, especially women
Disagree. A girl friend and I used to take a week and invite other women friends to five nights of dinners. She didn’t know my friends and I didn’t know hers because we wanted no gossip. Fascinating …great meals and conversations…and because nobody knew else anyone knew…no names, little of no personal criticisms, but plenty of discussion about women navigating the world.
I’ve often said of coworkers “they’re probably a great neighbor but I don’t want to work with them “.
I do value Christiana's views and the perspective she gave that raised my awarness, and yes there is a but. Sometimes she is over explaining and at times disruptive to the flow of the conversation, sometimes overtalking Simon and Trevor. However I love her in the one-to-one conversation with Trevor, where she truly shines.
What a great way to end the convesrsation ❤
The example that Christina brought up is good, cause I’ve worked in a work place with a very similar situation where a women, warned all of us about a male co-worker. A month or so later she got brought in to a HR meeting about gossiping and spreading harmful rumours about him. Even though the women only made sure not to be one on one with him, they all still talked to him, even invited him to events that most of the co-workers were invited to. What She, the women at work and seemingly Simon & Trevor perceived as a warning, work deemed gossip.
I'll never understand why certain people insist on their own definitions...
It's just not how language works. The whole gossip conversation was PAIN.
Thank you for a very inspiring show.
I think where Simon misses Christiana's point about purpose is that, not finding purpose in work does not equate to finding purpose in money. Quite the opposite. It means finding a proper work-life balance to do the things and see the people that do give you purpose. If Simon gave Christiana more money to work at a different job, it might require more travel, longer work hours, etc. that take her away from her family and her purpose. A better question to ask would have been, if I could make it so that you never have to work again and only spend time with your family, would you? That's a truer test of whether someone truly doesn't find purpose in work. I think a lot of us might answer yes to that question.
"the privitization of a sense of belonging" (50:30) I love this conversation. Christiana rocks.
One "why" your entire life. I can get behind that. My why has always been to be better than those that came before me. A better parent. A better spouse. A better human. Everything I do, I do to prove to myself that, love and joy and safety can be created despite the lack that came before. I'm not perfect. But I am certainly better (by my own understanding of better).
I am so impressed with Simon’s description of human behavior in relation to tribal norms. We do honor our alphas and do them favors but Friedman messed us up with his greedy change in capitalism. Yes, the alphas are expected to keep the tribe happy and healthy by taking care of us with whatever tools we have. Present day alphas are going to get taken down.
I never thought of that in such a clear and simple way. brilliant
i love your honesty
As a psychotherapist I discovered the same thing : when the client can find a way to help, she/ he gets better
Christiane was very much like "duuuude you are so close to figuring out socialism but you're to much of a white finance bro to realise it" during the whole speech about service at the end
They shot both podcasts in one day, didn't they?😂😂❤
this is what the "service learning" is able to do for us and this is the reason why we are trying to introduce it in our schools
Great show. Appreciate Christiana's viewpoint. Simon talks from the C-suite consultant seat. Also, he really shouldn't make up scenarios 50K years ago people take these anecdotes literally. There are plenty of leadership models in hunter gatherer and farming communities that he could read a few sources and have ready. Keep up the great work Trevor and team!
I love that Simon talked about the alternatives to “someone being lazy” but, too much grace creates a permission structure for them to continue to be “lazy” Give people the benefit of the doubt but don’t ignore overwhelming evidence.
My boss and supervisors need to watch this asap
Nice conversation about corporate leadership styles.. I have a lot to add.. but I ll keep it in my mind 😊
Great talk on Corporate Values and Principles: Principles of Technology Leadership by Bryan Cantrill.
I Needed to hear this. Thank you.
Such an amazingly good podcast!!!!!
What a great episode!
Very informative talk
Thank you for this!
Watching this episode in the office. I find what Christiana's point makes sense. "Gossip" is a point communal safety. And from a Black women perspective its very much needed in places that tend to be hostile by default.
I love listening to them ❤
So how do we get those thoughts to be the one that will lead movements and politics?
I think the argument Christiana making past the halfway park which wasn't fully unpacked was - Humans have a deeper purpose for self-actualization, and we should not entrust companies with this core desire, or worse- to allow them to sell us on it. Just my interpretation, and I think it's an interesting perspective.
The flip side is, nobody was saying you should entrust that to companies.
Wow, firstly, 3 of my favourites on a podcast. Christiana is growing on me :-) I love her energy. Secondly, I absolutely love that no matter how many times I listen to Simon, EVERY single time I learn something new. Lastly, I know my Why, but I feel like I've lost some of that, and now I am going to think about that Merry-go-round childhood memory. It's only when I applied for a position that seemed obvious to me but not to others that I was forced to unpack the "why I chose to apply" and then convince the CEO to hire me and exceed expectations during those 18 months that I knew what needed to exist for me to feel a sense of purpose. So I realise now that when I feel lost or unfulfilled, I just need to go back to why those 3 things do not exist at that moment.
Thanks for choosing to share your story or at least an epiphany this video birthed. Reading what you shared resonated with me the same way this video has. Peace and blessings!
What you bring home from work varies greatly between working at a great job vs a terrible job.
I'm here for this 🙌
Loved this episode