Can we give a round of applause 👏👏👏👏 to Alexi Mostrous, for logical way of presenting this case, unlike netflix some of their documentaries drag out the information in a haphazard annoying way.
So proud of Kirat for speaking out and up. Sadly her Dads reaction is a typical South Asian one and as a South Asian myself this attitude holds us back so much from so many things. We need to change this as a generation there is no honour/shame in protecting/confronting anyone no matter how close they are or how respectable the family are. A crime, an injustice has been done and gone on for far too long and without proper accountability it will never feel ok.
I am still thinking about “ what was simran arguing with her brother about before she came in to confess to kirat??? ” What if the brother had some involvement too? Wait what if those different male voices…….or some of them….. Maybe the argument went something like simran’s brother telling her not to confess or something 😮😮
Yes! My thoughts exactly. I don't know why the brother of Sim was not mentioned later. I'm sure the brother has answers as to her motive. So many questions but few answers. This has to be the most unique, mind-boggling, thrilling catfish story I've ever heard.
She had told the parents at that point so obviously the brother knew. He was prob sent there by the parents to ensure the girl came clean cuz they expected her to not continue pursuing police reports etc.
@@culturalresponse2447I agree. Much more likely that Simran didn't want to confess to Kiran, and her brother was sent to make sure she went through with the confession.
"this is unfortunate" he said, "it shouldn't have happened" It's not like there was a bit of unforeseen rain that wet her shoes, you prick. Your daughter was deliberately mentally hurt not for days, not for months, but for years. He is a bad father
You’ll never know why she did this. It’s like asking a rapist why they rape, or a murderer why they murder. Some people are just born evil and enjoy hurting people. Some people said she was a lesbian and living out a fantasy, but that’s just offensive to gay people, it had nothing to do with sexuality and more to do with power and control. Is anyone surprised she had a high powered job? Only a highly intelligent person could pull this off, psychotic, but cunningly smart. Such a selfish, egotistical and overall bad person. She’ll offend again if there’s no consequences and jail time for proper rehabilitation, no one in society is safe from her.
the father sounds so selfish, when he said he's upset that the family relations are not the same and the grandfather is hurt and the whole family is hurt, never once does he say hes upset for his daughter... and when he reiterates that the family is so decent.. Nowhere does he sound protective of his daughter. I feel like I as a stranger on the internet am more protective and angry on behalf of kirat.
I don’t think he understands what is happening. I mean he knows something happened, but he doesn’t understand it. And he doesn’t know how to deal with something that he doesn’t understand, he never learned or had the need for empathy. And, as it happens in most families, if we don’t talk about it, it didn’t happen kind of thing takes place. The faster we move on and do nothing, the faster we can go back to that place we were before all of this ever occured. And the sad part is that he has no idea of the damage he’s doing to himself, to his daughter, his family.
He sympathises with kirat because he sees his daughter hurting & he sees the family break down. He holds resentment towards his family & kirat because he wasn’t told to be able to do anything & let’s be honest he would have sorted this right at the start when he wanted to go Kenya & meet bobbys family. He even said when he was told about it by that time he wasn’t allowed to speak to any family or do anything. Totally understand him he’s a respectful man.
Sikh families, just like most Indian families are all about appearances, if you bring them shame, they give you the cold shoulder and alienate you from the community. It's unreal 😢
I'm sorry, but kirat is more nuts than the actual catfisher if we are talking about mental stability. She didn't seem right in the head and it's obvious she's still deluded and in love with the idea of Bobby. I bet she thought it in her irrational mind "he will see how much I love him and leave sanj and the baby for me". Let's not forget she wanted to mow sanj down when she passed by her car. I don't care how stressed or upset you are, that is not a normal thing to consider. Finally...can we please STOP calling this the most sophisticated catfishing scheme of all time? It wasn't sophisticated in the slightest. It was Kirats desperation/mental health/clear issues, that were the major concern of the show. That was the general consensus from the viewers. The podcast and the netflix doc have backfired on her majorly. She went looking to be portrayed as some catfish martyr. But actually, the focus is not at all on Simran. It's on her. The producers of the doc were clever and knew what they were doing. They wanted to show the world how gullible, unintelligent and desperate some people struggle out there. Witness protection in the USA was the ultimate joke. Come ONNN Kirat! , This whole documentary from Netflix has only not produced the outcome she was hoping for. Sadly, this lady needs extensive psychological help. It is Bobby and Sanj who I feel the most sorry for. They were an innocent couple navigating life with a young baby when one day their life was turned upside down. Then Kirats went to the media to make some COIN. Their entire private family life has been destroyed. She's also still so deluded that apparently she can't understand why they don't want to have anything to do with her. It's like she was thinking they were going to be doing coffee meet ups with her or calling her round for roti and saag lol. The fact she was offended by their rejection and limited contact speaks volumes of what kind of person she is inside....which is sadly a very troubled woman..
I don't think Simran will ever admit the real reason she did this, because I think the answer is that it was entertaining and it made her feel powerful to control/manipulate another person so completely. She's never going to say her motivation was that it was just fun to create drama, because that makes her look bad. She needs years of therapy, but in the end this is a sociopath and a malignant narcissist. I think she lacks the ability to feel remorse and empathy, and even with therapy it's unlikely she will be able to feel those things because she lacks the ability. I don't buy for a second that she was in a dark place or feels badly for Kirat. She might feel badly for herself and for the consequences that she herself has suffered due to her actions/choices to catfish someone for years, but I dont think someone who has the capacity for this kind of awful deed can have the ability to empathize woth others. What a sad story. My heart goes out to Kirat. I wasn't catfished but understand having years of your prime time to find a partner and have children wasted by someone who wasn't honest/serious, and it altere the rest of your life. But Kirat should be happy she isn't Simran. Kirat at least has the capacity for real love, compassion, and genuine connection with others. Simran will probably never know what that is like.
100% took the words right out of my mouth. I knew deep down from the start Simran’s motive was the kick she got out of absolute control over a situation and a person. She even said “i ruined my own life” she has no real empathy and she’s a narcissist. I’m betting she’s saying she did this cuz she felt that they were both in a bad place just to protect her reputation in the community, especially a community like the one she’s in. Kirat, on the other hand, poor girl, I can only imagine the severity of the pain she felt, as somebody who loves hard, is helpful to others, and compassionate.
I'm sorry, but kirat is more nuts than the actual catfisher if we are talking about mental stability. She didn't seem right in the head and it's obvious she's still deluded and in love with the idea of Bobby. I bet she thought it in her irrational mind "he will see how much I love him and leave sanj and the baby for me". Let's not forget she wanted to mow sanj down when she passed by her car. I don't care how stressed or upset you are, that is not a normal thing to consider. Finally...can we please STOP calling this the most sophisticated catfishing scheme of all time? It wasn't sophisticated in the slightest. It was Kirats desperation/mental health/clear issues, that were the major concern of the show. That was the general consensus from the viewers. The podcast and the netflix doc have backfired on her majorly. She went looking to be portrayed as some catfish martyr. But actually, the focus is not at all on Simran. It's on her. The producers of the doc were clever and knew what they were doing. They wanted to show the world how gullible, unintelligent and desperate some people struggle out there. Witness protection in the USA was the ultimate joke. Come ONNN Kirat! , This whole documentary from Netflix has only not produced the outcome she was hoping for. Sadly, this lady needs extensive psychological help. It is Bobby and Sanj who I feel the most sorry for. They were an innocent couple navigating life with a young baby when one day their life was turned upside down. Then Kirats went to the media to make some COIN. Their entire private family life has been destroyed. She's also still so deluded that apparently she can't understand why they don't want to have anything to do with her. It's like she was thinking they were going to be doing coffee meet ups with her or calling her round for roti and saag lol. The fact she was offended by their rejection and limited contact speaks volumes of what kind of person she is inside....which is sadly a very troubled woman..
This makes it very clear that Simran is a cousin on Kirat's dad's side. From the way the dad is talking, Simran probably isn't even a first cousin. The dad is sadly choosing to respect his relative's child over standing up for his own.
Not from this episode but when Bobby was pretending to be a cardiologist and Kirat gave her grandma’s notes to Bobby to help and review- surely that is a criminal act that simran should be held accountable to ?
What goes around comes around, and u cant completely manipulate and distroy someone's life the way simren bhogal did without the universe serving simren, her comupance one day. I feel for kirat, her dads reaction is typical to many asian parents- its sad they think of the community before their own.
@Zoey are you Asian, did this feel a little close to home? You know it had somthing to do with their culture how the family, father and community reacted
manipulation is something so common, why do you think this story spanning 10 years can be believable. Although not common, it still can happen. If something knows how to emotional manipulate you they can get by with so much, especially if the person is in a vulnerable state. Simran deserves to face some consequence and honestly I feel for those around her as she could easily do this to other people. Kirat can hopefully move forward and continue to bring awareness to what happened. This is abuse on various levels and the justice system really needs to catch up with the changing world.
I don't think she got to the top being the nice hardworking girl. She had to have slept around. If she could behave so deceivingly for so many years I wouldn't put it past her
This is just the surface. Can you imagine all the people from simrans school, uni and work who all have their peculiar stories of things Simran has said and done….
No one in Kirat's family has a backbone. They let her down all to save face, which is beyond pathetic. They would rather brush everything that happened under the carpet then listen and try to understand that a crime has been committed. Simran is a disgusting pervert, and everyone protecting her in that community are just as bad. I hope things change in the South Asian community, god knows the women having to live in these kinds of environments deserve so much better. Kirat is a kind soul and had her kindness exploited. She is a victim and I believe her.
She was in a “dark place” yet during that dark period managed to live her life, getting through a levels, uni, a high flying career, going on hen holidays and so on…
This story does not feel complete, it feels like everyone has just seen the tip of iceberg (Netflix, podcast & everything) they should get more info on simran & the whole family. Why are the children turning out like this? One is extremely dangerously naive & the other one is the most manipulative narcissistic psycho. What kind of parents were they? Why would their children want to do this to each other? What kind of family dynamics led to this? There's a lot buried under their family dynamics. And where was she ultimately leading this woman by dangling this handsome rich businessman neurosurgeon carrot image? What was her plans?
Wow there is a lot to unpack here. But what is clear to me is that we havent been presented all the information by Kirat, especially with regards to family dynamics between their so-called tight knit community.
After listening to her father i feel sad for kirat. I feel deeply sad. The most heartbreaking part of this entire story is this. Not even the scam her cousin pulled. Its the lack of support from her own parents & her father saying "i feel sorry for simram". what ? You are sorry for the perpetrator & her family? How blinded are you? Do you understand this mentality is what created dysfunctional families, sick society & sick individuals like them? I am sure that Simran's dad is just like him, as sick, if not more.
Why would you need an apology from this woman? It’s not real. She’s being forced to apologize. And she’s unwell! Who cares if she SAYS she’s sorry or not. She’s not sorry. Again, Kirat is giving her the keys to her closure and making her feel like she still has control. Kirat needs to hold her accountable and then move on. No apology required.
It's always an indicator of what someone really thinks when they use the passive voice that doesn't acknowledge a perpetrator- "Sorry that happened to you," "Sorry you felt that way," etc., rather than, "Sorry X did that to you," "I'm sorry I said that to you."
Horrible to see Simran having an active blog about her daily life on instagram that too under her real full name i.e Simran Kaur Bhogal and is literally living off her life while her big cousin sister has lost everything and is traumatized for life because of her, what a psycopath!
That's not her. Simran Kaur Bhogal is a common name and you can find dozens if not hundreds of people who share it. The real Simran is a ghost now, completely erased from social life. You can't find anything about her online. Even her former closest friends have no idea what she's up to these days. She's completely vanished from the face of the earth.
Finished listening to all the parts….so messed up. I’ve been catfished a few times on dating sites, but I now put in my profile that I’m not communicating off the app until we have at least met in person once. Funny enough - I randomly met someone at Pokémon Go Fest in Chicago in 2019 to do a trade with, and the profile def seemed suspicious. But I actually met said person - and we have become pen palls. She just doesn’t like social media and only created an FB page cause she wanted to use messenger. But key thing is…we have met in person, and it took off from there.
Knowing her family reactions, I can totally understand WHY Keirat turned to Simran(Bobby) a total stranger. She was devoid of love & trust which made her trust & love a stranger. But for Simran I can only say that she is narcissistic person suffering from BPD, she has tons of mental issues which are right now shoved under the carpet but will eventually come back and bite her one fine day
@@shougokawada8491nah I think it was the real JJ although I'll go back to listen. I think Simran hacked into JJs FB account somehow and read JJs message but we'd need to hear JJs side in detail I guess.
I’ve dated guys who has manipulated me as well. Who has been controlling. When I had a party to go to, then all of a sudden they don’t feel well. And I had to stay to look after him. It doesn’t just happen within days. It’s months and months of manipulation. And Simran could pull the strings as she knew Kierats next moves. Kierat had no idea Bobby was Simran… she had full control. This is so scary… that Simran is still out there, who’s going to be her next victim… she’ll soon get bored and start again.
At the very least, this is emotional abuse. Why can't she be charged with that? Also, why not a restraining order that would prevent her from contacting her in any way. At least then, if she were to try manipulating Kirat again, there would be legal consequences. Kirat needs to get professional help. This type of abuse will stay with you and is very hard to move on from. It will eat away at your confidence and equilibrium. Therapy would help her move forward quicker and give her the tools not only to deal with what has happened but also to recognize when or if she is ever being manipulated again.
Is emotional abuse a criminal offense? Also thought of restraining order! But given that Simran used so many fake profiles to contact Kirat... I don't think restraining order would work with this type of cunning person :(
I really hope Kirat you went into therapy. First and foremost you do need to come to terms with where you went wrong, especially at such a mature age. You should’ve put 2 and 2 together quite earlier on. You not being able to answer when asked how you couldn’t distinguish between Simran and Yj’s voice just shows you were too engrossed in being involved and given attention that you did not care to question anything you were being fed. You never once questioned what the shooting was about, why he was in witness protection, why you were being given so much importance that even the wife wanted to update you, WHY? There are some deep rooted insecurities/factors you need to address before saying anyone could’ve fallen prey to this. No, if someone else was in your shoes, in this day and age (2010) people would question and exit. There were too many loopholes and red flags for anyone to stick around and entertain such online relations.
Shame pervades through every part of traditional indian society. The keeping up of appearances- all so toxic and when you have been raised in this world, the fathers reaction is on point
I think at the point of the interview Kirats dad didnt understand the full extent of everything yet. I think he didn mean to say that he feels sorry for Simran. He is defending his daughter Kirat, otherwise he wouldnt have agreed to be interviewed. But I think he also thinks maybe his own daughter let this all go on for far too long, meaning she should have been more responsible to not let herself be sucked in to this thing. I mean lets suppose Bobby was actually real, then still he treated her badly, kept her hanging on for years, made her suffer made her quit her job made her leave behind friends and happiness, never even sent her a video let her see him etc etc so many crazy things. Kirat has responsibility in this, in the sense that she should have dropped this relationship long long ago, even if he were a real person, she takes zero responsibility for anything. It isnt her fault she got targeted like this by her own cousin ofc, but it is her responsibility that she kept herself in this horrid nonsense for so long and let her own life go to shit.
i understannd this perspective, i think he sees it as all very cringe and is embarrassed kirat let it drag on for so long...kirat didnt have respect for her own time honestly and lacks accountability in that sense both girls lack accountability for their idiocracy
I think Simran had she not come clean would have gotten away with this forever because I don’t know if Kirat would have worked it out even after she knew someone was catfishing her. Simran came clean because she thought the police would investigate. The police didn’t give a damn and ultimately weren’t going to look into it anyway, so Simran would have gotten away with it had she not come clean.
Her dad wants her to stop because he sees her pursuing the case as hurting the decent family members of the girl. It has nothing to do with patriarchal-ness or etc. He genuinely sees the family members as his daughters victim, and he has a point. But it does not mean she should stop fighting for justice.
True- I dont think he does not feel bad for kirat its just that im asian culture- familial ties are really given more importance and u are right- I am sure the embarrassment and humiliation that the other family also experienced to have a daughter like simran is also a lot to take because they know she was in the wrong and that the sin of the daughter is not the sin of the entire family. simran has no idea how much her actions not only hurt kirat but also her own family. It is much more heavier to have a child who grew up to do psychotic things than a normal and loving one like Kirat. I do believe that Simran had an obsession with Kirat when she described her as “cool” and possibly created all this fiasco because of her obsession with her but it got too deep to get out already. also, i do think simran has some mental issues. If Kirat pursued the case, Simran could just come up with a mental health issue and I dont know if in UK that is excusable. However, I do believe that Simran is dangerous and must be seen by a doctor.
Toxic family! Reminds me of my family. Taking the side of the perpetrator! Poor Kirat reminds me of myself (thinking my family are people and support me).
I don't think believing your relatives and people from your community is gullible. And once you have years of being gaslighted, the ability to be objective also goes down :/
Beyond gullible. 10 yrs of not meeting someone?!?! Come on. The holes in the story. Maybe I've seen too many catfish stories but I don't understand how she fell for this.
Seems Simran assumed more was shared b/t JJ & Kirat in early communication, aka her perhaps assuming JJ had already exposed her (Simran's unnecessary, self-damaging, fantastical lies) & she created Bobby/JJ's death to end Kirat uncovering or perhaps empathizing with her own crazy through deflection. If S had any kind of emotional integrity/maturity she wouldn't have needed to resort to these tactics to develop her most intimate relationships. Online or off, varied levels of this type of forgery/social manipulation/isolation tactics resonate/are more relatable than we may like to admit, but this 10+ year charade takes the cake!
Kirat was too quick to jump in and advise JJ, an adolescent, how to get back with a distant cousin she barely knew (Simran) - i cannot imagine getting drawn into such an ongoing text exchange with someone half my age when I was 30. Maybe she was talking to JJ or maybe she was talking to Simran, who knows? but I'll bet it was those exchanges that kicked this whole thing off. Why on earth was she chatting repeatedly with Simran's boyfriend???
@@xtejaswinix point is it was represented as an account of an adolescent and she was a middle aged woman - why would she get lured into anything but a passing exchange with anyone that young? 🤔 she's got some creepy going on
Why cannot Bobby sue Simran for wrongful impersonation, making false promises by pretending to be some else, mental and emotional distress to him and his wife, attempt to cause issues in his married life, stealing personal information, spreading falsehood by claiming allnthe medical issues and even death!! I am sure uts possible.
I wonder how simran got that executive position in the first place?? At barclays.?? If she could catfish 2, people i dont think she worked her way at the top legitimately.
Father only reads the letter when a man tells him and only listens to the case when another man Amrit tells him! Can’t you see the misogyny ?!! Grandfather of the accused can’t be descent as it happened in his watch ..something must me amiss in that family to create someone like the accused! The lack of self assertion by women in family matters is the cause ! Simiran was as repressed by culture n faith ..so they live in a virtual world
Kirat’s dad did show compassion. It’s just hard for him to overlook his daughter’s naiveté as well as the scorched earth vengeance mission she is on and her lack of concern about how she is hurting him and her family (from his perspective)
Scorched earth vengeance?!! Are you family of Simran? Kirat is just trying to get justice. It isn't right that Simran can ruin someone's life, steal over a decade in which Kirat could have found real love and had a family, and have no tangible consequences. This is wild to me that anyone would think Kirat was in any way to blame here. Her compassion and big heart was cruelly taken advantage of by someone who lacked any care for what they were doing to her.
i agree, he just wants her to act in grace a little, even the way she barked at him for feeling sorry for simrans family sounded like shes a teenager. simran needs a mental insitution for sure tho
Kirat you HAD the agency to walk away especially when your Bobby was emotionally blackmailing you !!! It’s up to your nature which seems somewhat gullible that prevented you from walking away !! The root cause of that is your traditions and culture and I dare say historical scriptures that are outdated and not conducive to women’s interest ! Your sense of loyalty to your ex displays subservience to the man NOT loyalty ! Lol the dad reads the letter when another man requests it but not when his daughter begs him suffering so much ! It shouldn’t have happened it shouldn’t have happened..it HAS HAPPENED! Deal with it ! Why worry about extended relation of grandfather… it’s cos of the environment Simiran was bought up in it that caused this and affected her mental health !
Actually her parents are not that strict or religious. There are even stricter Indian/punjabi parents whose children are not so naive. So I don’t buy that her environment is to blame for her gullible nature.
@@xoxox903 you sound lobotomized ... do you know how many VPs there are at a large bank? Thousands and thousands ... most of them in their 20s. Love it when your generation confirms how stoooopid you are!!
Think Simiran did this cos Kirat was quite busy body taking on an agony aunt position all the time so she did this to see her making a fool of herself!
@@omgomg6602how is Simran a victim? If anything she needs psychological help but I hope she genuinely feels sorry and realises what she did wrong. It's not normal
@@omgomg6602to be pretending to be not just bobby but the other 29 people, that means she had countless phones all to mess with one person's head. Manipulation emotional control. And the barrage of messages daily from these people. How did simran have so much time on her hands to do all this if she works in banking?? The devotion to do this while working - the drive behind it for 8 years whatever to do it , to make up scenarios.... You cannot brush these actions under the carpet, this behaviour is worrying. If it were one of my relations, I'd worry what the underlying cause is. Ok you could argue she wanted to teach khirat some lesson for whatever reason which would last probably a couple months in some cases. But come on , for so long on a fake group chat, being that cousin at the same time feeding her false lies to Kimran by her side , I found it chilling.
No one on simrin side of fam is holding her accountable 🙄they seem to want to brush it under the rug, typical Asian tactic.’.wut u don’t know won’t hurt’🤦🏻♀️.. ‘don’t talk about it & ppl will forget’ ‘ bury the head in the sand’ it’s really ridiculous really!
Simran Bhogal was promoted to COO of Barclays Bank in 2018 and that salary pays 500k a year. I think most of Kirat’s motivation for seeking Justice is not necessarily because she was victimized but because her abuser is so high status and wants to destroy her. Which is fair at the end of the day
Ofc she wants some sort of payback. But she was victimized. If this would have happend to me, wich it would never because im not that naive, 10 y of my life. I would want to destroy the person
It doesn't actually matter if she was. She was still abused and mentally tortured. Blaming the victim isn't really helpful. Especially not when the perpetrator is showing signs of being a master manipulater thriving of other people's weakness. Would you shame a mentally disabled or old person being tricked? No, the perpetrator targeting the weak people are really much worse and really very sadistic. At one point she might have been a bit naive, but that's not a crime. And further long she was broken down. You don't know if she was brought up not questioning or trusting her own feelings. Some kids are. Either way it's really not helpful shaming her. Do shame the awful and sadistic perpetrator. There is where the blame lies.
@@kesses9041I don’t think this person who made the gullible comment is sincere… this could be Simran herself. She could be listening making all these comments… making Kieran sound pathetic. Honestly the world is messed up.
Stop victim blaming. Even kids are guillable, should we do whatever we want with them. Is it their fault for being guillable? There are many people like evil like simran and naive like kirat in this world. What's wrong is wrong.
She was sucked in just like so many people who are catfished into believing ridiculous stories, & who let themselves stay in abusive online "relationships". The podcast spins a story & ignores some facts, like: - she didn't waste 10 years, she was in the online "relationship" for 3 years. - there were obvious red flags/inconsistencies & things she could have checked all along the way, eg "knows" the family, but never checked on Bobby's job or whereabouts, or his brother's supposed demise. - if a married man was sharing with me what he should be sharing with his wife, i would tell him to do that, not keep on so he leaves the wife for me, falling for me online - it's immoral and ridiculous. - she was 34 and still single so can't blame her cousin for ruining her chances of getting her own family imo - it was 3 years of waiting for an about to die online boyfriend by her own choice. It's spin a story & gloss over facts just to come up with a victim storyline. With biased journalist. Both these women are emotionally unsound/immature. Simran explained herself in the personal apology. It's aligned with what I've seen of other female catfishers who get a crush on someone and let the deception spiral out of control. The vicious lawyer period was because Simran realised there could be consequences & sought help. I've ended up agreeing with the family - should have been left private, & the victim should have moved on. However, the dishonest and dysfunctional way Simran copes with her personal tensions means i think it's better she isn't in a powerful job - she was going to come a cropper sooner or later with her immaturity & dysfunction. As to the victim's dad, i thought he was very polite & restrained. Hell, my family are far worse & i cope, & I'm independent and take care of myself. I don't blame others for my own failings or make demands on others like K does.
Why is it a flex that you have no crutch to stand on if life hits you? You sound lonely, nothing to be proud of. And it's completely ridiculous to do victim blaming. It is completely irrelevant what kind of character Kiran was - I don't think she was gullible or naive, but even if she was, that doesn't change the fact Simran was to blame. Kiran did nothing wrong. Also, if you think her dad was fine by not having a decency to feel protective of his daughter's mental life but more bothered about his or his family's reputation, I feel bad for you, pitiful really. And your parents were awful to you and you what, proud of it? You should learn from them and know how NOT to behave. Do better
Your comment is ridiculous. • she didnt say she couldnt have kids anymore, she is just saying that the mental trauma that she has put her through will make her think twice before getting into a new serious relationship. •i know people who are seriously so gullible (too innocent) and fall for internet scams easily. Thats why this issue is till so prevalent today despite there being so many cases. Lets not pretend kirat is the only human to ever fall into such trap. •”move on” you say? You just spit on the face of all victims. Seriously shows how much you lack compassion and empathy, oh the poor people in your life… •nobody asked you to complement yourself we dont care how independent you are. You should be able to understand that each human deals with situation differently and reacts differently. Why is this such an alien concept to you? I agree that to some degree, responsibility did fall on kirat to double check but at the same time we have to consider how elaborate simran’s entire operation was. At the end of the day she was wronged and should get justice. And please never say to a victim “move on” when you dont know the power these two words hold.
I can understand Kirat's father's reaction. If this happened to my daughter I would be ashamed to have raised someone so gullible. I wouldn't want people to know about how she was fooled and manipulated for EIGHT years.
You don't need to imagine a hypothetical situation where you would be ashamed, because by this comment you brought shame to yourself already - a bad parent
I'm sorry, but kirat is more nuts than the actual catfisher if we are talking about mental stability. She didn't seem right in the head and it's obvious she's still deluded and in love with the idea of Bobby. I bet she thought it in her irrational mind "he will see how much I love him and leave sanj and the baby for me". Let's not forget she wanted to mow sanj down when she passed by her car. I don't care how stressed or upset you are, that is not a normal thing to consider. Finally...can we please STOP calling this the most sophisticated catfishing scheme of all time? It wasn't sophisticated in the slightest. It was Kirats desperation/mental health/clear issues, that were the major concern of the show. That was the general consensus from the viewers. The podcast and the netflix doc have backfired on her majorly. She went looking to be portrayed as some catfish martyr. But actually, the focus is not at all on Simran. It's on her. The producers of the doc were clever and knew what they were doing. They wanted to show the world how gullible, unintelligent and desperate some people struggle out there. Witness protection in the USA was the ultimate joke. Come ONNN Kirat! , This whole documentary from Netflix has only not produced the outcome she was hoping for. Sadly, this lady needs extensive psychological help. It is Bobby and Sanj who I feel the most sorry for. They were an innocent couple navigating life with a young baby when one day their life was turned upside down. Then Kirats went to the media to make some COIN. Their entire private family life has been destroyed. She's also still so deluded that apparently she can't understand why they don't want to have anything to do with her. It's like she was thinking they were going to be doing coffee meet ups with her or calling her round for roti and saag lol. The fact she was offended by their rejection and limited contact speaks volumes of what kind of person she is inside....which is sadly a very troubled woman..
@@Renaissance2412 the facts that you said NOTHING about the wrong doings that Simran did speaks volumes about who you are, where your morals lie and it all oozes toxicity. No doubt you are from the Simran klan
@@Renaissance2412 reminds me of the Zionist approach - not taking accountability for ONES actions, rather than the blame on one's gullibleness. This is why the world is full of people who have lost their morals. Simran a person lacking emotional intelligence/morals of basic rights and wrong will now raise her child who needs to know learn these things from her mother. Or else she will be brought up in the the environment lacking these and it doesn't look good for her daughter. Simran friendly advice: go to therapy and acknowledge what you did and work through the whys. As they say what goes round comes round
I think Simran had she not come clean would have gotten away with this forever because I don’t know if Kirat would have worked it out even after she knew someone was catfishing her. Simran came clean because she thought the police would investigate. The police didn’t give a damn and ultimately weren’t going to look into it anyway, so Simran would have gotten away with it had she not come clean.
Because it’s more about what community must be thinking as opposed to showing heartfelt emotions for his daughter. The shame that his daughter carried on with a relationship with a faceless stranger on the internet for so long is what he sees as ‘besthi’ (shame)as opposed to what Simran did.
Can we give a round of applause 👏👏👏👏 to Alexi Mostrous, for logical way of presenting this case, unlike netflix some of their documentaries drag out the information in a haphazard annoying way.
So proud of Kirat for speaking out and up. Sadly her Dads reaction is a typical South Asian one and as a South Asian myself this attitude holds us back so much from so many things. We need to change this as a generation there is no honour/shame in protecting/confronting anyone no matter how close they are or how respectable the family are. A crime, an injustice has been done and gone on for far too long and without proper accountability it will never feel ok.
It's is not a typical south asian response, my dad would never. This might be a punjabi response not indian
@@amaya3107pakistani here, this definitely would've been the response of most parents in our community
@@Crimz_1 that would defo be the reaction of most Asian parents I know. Society first.
I am still thinking about “ what was simran arguing with her brother about before she came in to confess to kirat??? ”
What if the brother had some involvement too?
Wait what if those different male voices…….or some of them…..
Maybe the argument went something like simran’s brother telling her not to confess or something 😮😮
Yes! My thoughts exactly. I don't know why the brother of Sim was not mentioned later. I'm sure the brother has answers as to her motive. So many questions but few answers. This has to be the most unique, mind-boggling, thrilling catfish story I've ever heard.
She had told the parents at that point so obviously the brother knew. He was prob sent there by the parents to ensure the girl came clean cuz they expected her to not continue pursuing police reports etc.
@@culturalresponse2447I agree. Much more likely that Simran didn't want to confess to Kiran, and her brother was sent to make sure she went through with the confession.
@@RelaxedVibes. I really wish Simran had the guts to speak! I have so many questions!
@@lucysmith8383 She will hide forever, she knows she's guilty
awful family reaction, they should be ashamed of themselves. the dad has shown not one sign of affection to his daughter. shocking
"this is unfortunate" he said, "it shouldn't have happened"
It's not like there was a bit of unforeseen rain that wet her shoes, you prick. Your daughter was deliberately mentally hurt not for days, not for months, but for years. He is a bad father
Not really. It was expected considering his generational and cultural background
You’ll never know why she did this. It’s like asking a rapist why they rape, or a murderer why they murder. Some people are just born evil and enjoy hurting people. Some people said she was a lesbian and living out a fantasy, but that’s just offensive to gay people, it had nothing to do with sexuality and more to do with power and control. Is anyone surprised she had a high powered job? Only a highly intelligent person could pull this off, psychotic, but cunningly smart. Such a selfish, egotistical and overall bad person.
She’ll offend again if there’s no consequences and jail time for proper rehabilitation, no one in society is safe from her.
the father sounds so selfish, when he said he's upset that the family relations are not the same and the grandfather is hurt and the whole family is hurt, never once does he say hes upset for his daughter... and when he reiterates that the family is so decent.. Nowhere does he sound protective of his daughter. I feel like I as a stranger on the internet am more protective and angry on behalf of kirat.
I don’t think he understands what is happening. I mean he knows something happened, but he doesn’t understand it. And he doesn’t know how to deal with something that he doesn’t understand, he never learned or had the need for empathy. And, as it happens in most families, if we don’t talk about it, it didn’t happen kind of thing takes place. The faster we move on and do nothing, the faster we can go back to that place we were before all of this ever occured. And the sad part is that he has no idea of the damage he’s doing to himself, to his daughter, his family.
He sympathises with kirat because he sees his daughter hurting & he sees the family break down. He holds resentment towards his family & kirat because he wasn’t told to be able to do anything & let’s be honest he would have sorted this right at the start when he wanted to go Kenya & meet bobbys family. He even said when he was told about it by that time he wasn’t allowed to speak to any family or do anything. Totally understand him he’s a respectful man.
agreed - this is such a typical indian family response. it makes me sick.
Sikh families, just like most Indian families are all about appearances, if you bring them shame, they give you the cold shoulder and alienate you from the community. It's unreal 😢
I'm sorry, but kirat is more nuts than the actual catfisher if we are talking about mental stability.
She didn't seem right in the head and it's obvious she's still deluded and in love with the idea of Bobby. I bet she thought it in her irrational mind "he will see how much I love him and leave sanj and the baby for me".
Let's not forget she wanted to mow sanj down when she passed by her car. I don't care how stressed or upset you are, that is not a normal thing to consider.
Finally...can we please STOP calling this the most sophisticated catfishing scheme of all time? It wasn't sophisticated in the slightest. It was Kirats desperation/mental health/clear issues, that were the major concern of the show. That was the general consensus from the viewers.
The podcast and the netflix doc have backfired on her majorly. She went looking to be portrayed as some catfish martyr. But actually, the focus is not at all on Simran. It's on her. The producers of the doc were clever and knew what they were doing. They wanted to show the world how gullible, unintelligent and desperate some people struggle out there.
Witness protection in the USA was the ultimate joke. Come ONNN Kirat! ,
This whole documentary from Netflix has only not produced the outcome she was hoping for.
Sadly, this lady needs extensive psychological help. It is Bobby and Sanj who I feel the most sorry for. They were an innocent couple navigating life with a young baby when one day their life was turned upside down. Then Kirats went to the media to make some COIN. Their entire private family life has been destroyed. She's also still so deluded that apparently she can't understand why they don't want to have anything to do with her. It's like she was thinking they were going to be doing coffee meet ups with her or calling her round for roti and saag lol. The fact she was offended by their rejection and limited contact speaks volumes of what kind of person she is inside....which is sadly a very troubled woman..
I don't think Simran will ever admit the real reason she did this, because I think the answer is that it was entertaining and it made her feel powerful to control/manipulate another person so completely. She's never going to say her motivation was that it was just fun to create drama, because that makes her look bad. She needs years of therapy, but in the end this is a sociopath and a malignant narcissist. I think she lacks the ability to feel remorse and empathy, and even with therapy it's unlikely she will be able to feel those things because she lacks the ability. I don't buy for a second that she was in a dark place or feels badly for Kirat. She might feel badly for herself and for the consequences that she herself has suffered due to her actions/choices to catfish someone for years, but I dont think someone who has the capacity for this kind of awful deed can have the ability to empathize woth others. What a sad story. My heart goes out to Kirat. I wasn't catfished but understand having years of your prime time to find a partner and have children wasted by someone who wasn't honest/serious, and it altere the rest of your life. But Kirat should be happy she isn't Simran. Kirat at least has the capacity for real love, compassion, and genuine connection with others. Simran will probably never know what that is like.
i thought the brother found out and forced her to confess, and threatened to tell her if she didn't
100% took the words right out of my mouth. I knew deep down from the start Simran’s motive was the kick she got out of absolute control over a situation and a person. She even said “i ruined my own life” she has no real empathy and she’s a narcissist. I’m betting she’s saying she did this cuz she felt that they were both in a bad place just to protect her reputation in the community, especially a community like the one she’s in. Kirat, on the other hand, poor girl, I can only imagine the severity of the pain she felt, as somebody who loves hard, is helpful to others, and compassionate.
I'm sorry, but kirat is more nuts than the actual catfisher if we are talking about mental stability.
She didn't seem right in the head and it's obvious she's still deluded and in love with the idea of Bobby. I bet she thought it in her irrational mind "he will see how much I love him and leave sanj and the baby for me".
Let's not forget she wanted to mow sanj down when she passed by her car. I don't care how stressed or upset you are, that is not a normal thing to consider.
Finally...can we please STOP calling this the most sophisticated catfishing scheme of all time? It wasn't sophisticated in the slightest. It was Kirats desperation/mental health/clear issues, that were the major concern of the show. That was the general consensus from the viewers.
The podcast and the netflix doc have backfired on her majorly. She went looking to be portrayed as some catfish martyr. But actually, the focus is not at all on Simran. It's on her. The producers of the doc were clever and knew what they were doing. They wanted to show the world how gullible, unintelligent and desperate some people struggle out there.
Witness protection in the USA was the ultimate joke. Come ONNN Kirat! ,
This whole documentary from Netflix has only not produced the outcome she was hoping for.
Sadly, this lady needs extensive psychological help. It is Bobby and Sanj who I feel the most sorry for. They were an innocent couple navigating life with a young baby when one day their life was turned upside down. Then Kirats went to the media to make some COIN. Their entire private family life has been destroyed. She's also still so deluded that apparently she can't understand why they don't want to have anything to do with her. It's like she was thinking they were going to be doing coffee meet ups with her or calling her round for roti and saag lol. The fact she was offended by their rejection and limited contact speaks volumes of what kind of person she is inside....which is sadly a very troubled woman..
@@Renaissance2412you need help mate😅
This makes it very clear that Simran is a cousin on Kirat's dad's side. From the way the dad is talking, Simran probably isn't even a first cousin. The dad is sadly choosing to respect his relative's child over standing up for his own.
That's exactly what I thought, and only people from the south Asian background can understand this
@@javairiasaleem1652 100% it's all about issath sadly
Not from this episode but when Bobby was pretending to be a cardiologist and Kirat gave her grandma’s notes to Bobby to help and review- surely that is a criminal act that simran should be held accountable to ?
It is a crime to impersonate a doctor especially if trying to give medical advice in that capacity
True!!!
What goes around comes around, and u cant completely manipulate and distroy someone's life the way simren bhogal did without the universe serving simren, her comupance one day. I feel for kirat, her dads reaction is typical to many asian parents- its sad they think of the community before their own.
@ORB It is absolutely part of the issue. Traditional cultures across the board do not value women, they value reputation.
@Zoey their race and community was mentioned many times! What are you talkin about ‽😅
@Zoey are you Asian, did this feel a little close to home? You know it had somthing to do with their culture how the family, father and community reacted
@Zoey to*
That karma stuff is complete nonsense
manipulation is something so common, why do you think this story spanning 10 years can be believable. Although not common, it still can happen. If something knows how to emotional manipulate you they can get by with so much, especially if the person is in a vulnerable state. Simran deserves to face some consequence and honestly I feel for those around her as she could easily do this to other people. Kirat can hopefully move forward and continue to bring awareness to what happened. This is abuse on various levels and the justice system really needs to catch up with the changing world.
Schoolgirl?! If it started at 17, you were 27 by the ens of it, Simran. How she a whole executive carrying on like that. A true mental case
I don't think she got to the top being the nice hardworking girl. She had to have slept around. If she could behave so deceivingly for so many years I wouldn't put it past her
To be so meticulous with the whole group chat this woman has DID has to be
good luck girl get your justice that apology letter may be admissible in criminal court they do that in the us when they want
way better than the netflix documentary, actually talks about how much simran gaslit and manipulated kirat whenever she tried to leave.
This is just the surface. Can you imagine all the people from simrans school, uni and work who all have their peculiar stories of things Simran has said and done….
No one in Kirat's family has a backbone. They let her down all to save face, which is beyond pathetic. They would rather brush everything that happened under the carpet then listen and try to understand that a crime has been committed. Simran is a disgusting pervert, and everyone protecting her in that community are just as bad. I hope things change in the South Asian community, god knows the women having to live in these kinds of environments deserve so much better. Kirat is a kind soul and had her kindness exploited. She is a victim and I believe her.
Alexis, my thoughts are that Simran was possibly attracted to Kirat and this was a way of having a relationship with her
Typical Indian father response.
No it's not. Maybe punjabi but not all Indians
Exactly. I think this response is extremely rare. Most fathers would be looking for blood , and rightfully so
My father would literally unalive someone if something like this happened to me or my brother
I think she only wrote that letter to mess with Kirat's head. Manipulation tactic.
She was in a “dark place” yet during that dark period managed to live her life, getting through a levels, uni, a high flying career, going on hen holidays and so on…
This story does not feel complete, it feels like everyone has just seen the tip of iceberg (Netflix, podcast & everything) they should get more info on simran & the whole family. Why are the children turning out like this? One is extremely dangerously naive & the other one is the most manipulative narcissistic psycho. What kind of parents were they? Why would their children want to do this to each other? What kind of family dynamics led to this? There's a lot buried under their family dynamics. And where was she ultimately leading this woman by dangling this handsome rich businessman neurosurgeon carrot image? What was her plans?
So true
Wow there is a lot to unpack here. But what is clear to me is that we havent been presented all the information by Kirat, especially with regards to family dynamics between their so-called tight knit community.
After listening to her father i feel sad for kirat. I feel deeply sad. The most heartbreaking part of this entire story is this. Not even the scam her cousin pulled. Its the lack of support from her own parents & her father saying "i feel sorry for simram". what ? You are sorry for the perpetrator & her family? How blinded are you? Do you understand this mentality is what created dysfunctional families, sick society & sick individuals like them? I am sure that Simran's dad is just like him, as sick, if not more.
Why would you need an apology from this woman? It’s not real. She’s being forced to apologize. And she’s unwell! Who cares if she SAYS she’s sorry or not. She’s not sorry. Again, Kirat is giving her the keys to her closure and making her feel like she still has control. Kirat needs to hold her accountable and then move on. No apology required.
"I'm sorry this happened"?! No, he should be saying "I'm sorry this was done to you by a member of our family. That was disgusting". Awful family!
It's always an indicator of what someone really thinks when they use the passive voice that doesn't acknowledge a perpetrator- "Sorry that happened to you," "Sorry you felt that way," etc., rather than, "Sorry X did that to you," "I'm sorry I said that to you."
Kirat I hope you get justice that you deserve🙏 don't stop fighting
Horrible to see Simran having an active blog about her daily life on instagram that too under her real full name i.e Simran Kaur Bhogal and is literally living off her life while her big cousin sister has lost everything and is traumatized for life because of her, what a psycopath!
Whats her ig name?
what’s her @!
That's not her. Simran Kaur Bhogal is a common name and you can find dozens if not hundreds of people who share it. The real Simran is a ghost now, completely erased from social life. You can't find anything about her online. Even her former closest friends have no idea what she's up to these days. She's completely vanished from the face of the earth.
@@shougokawada8491Too bad that’s not literally!
Finished listening to all the parts….so messed up. I’ve been catfished a few times on dating sites, but I now put in my profile that I’m not communicating off the app until we have at least met in person once.
Funny enough - I randomly met someone at Pokémon Go Fest in Chicago in 2019 to do a trade with, and the profile def seemed suspicious. But I actually met said person - and we have become pen palls. She just doesn’t like social media and only created an FB page cause she wanted to use messenger. But key thing is…we have met in person, and it took off from there.
Knowing her family reactions, I can totally understand WHY Keirat turned to Simran(Bobby) a total stranger. She was devoid of love & trust which made her trust & love a stranger. But for Simran I can only say that she is narcissistic person suffering from BPD, she has tons of mental issues which are right now shoved under the carpet but will eventually come back and bite her one fine day
She needs to get checked out. She has a daughter now so how she gonna not see if mental illness is hereditary
Don’t accept the settlement you don’t have to and don’t need to feel pressured to
i think simran was jealous of JJ's bond with kirat and started catfishing her to get revenge but got too deep into it and couldn't stop. IDK.
Noooo, so in the Netflix series they have revealed that JJ's account and death was also a part of Simrat's scam!
@@xtejaswinix It's revealed in the podcast in Episode 4.
Lol, how did you listen?! Kirat and JJ never knew each other. The "JJ" who had contacted Kirat in 2009 and then died in 2010 was Simran as well.
JJ profile was fake, it was also Simran
@@shougokawada8491nah I think it was the real JJ although I'll go back to listen. I think Simran hacked into JJs FB account somehow and read JJs message but we'd need to hear JJs side in detail I guess.
I’ve dated guys who has manipulated me as well. Who has been controlling. When I had a party to go to, then all of a sudden they don’t feel well. And I had to stay to look after him. It doesn’t just happen within days. It’s months and months of manipulation. And Simran could pull the strings as she knew Kierats next moves. Kierat had no idea Bobby was Simran… she had full control. This is so scary… that Simran is still out there, who’s going to be her next victim… she’ll soon get bored and start again.
True 😢
At the very least, this is emotional abuse. Why can't she be charged with that? Also, why not a restraining order that would prevent her from contacting her in any way. At least then, if she were to try manipulating Kirat again, there would be legal consequences. Kirat needs to get professional help. This type of abuse will stay with you and is very hard to move on from. It will eat away at your confidence and equilibrium. Therapy would help her move forward quicker and give her the tools not only to deal with what has happened but also to recognize when or if she is ever being manipulated again.
Is emotional abuse a criminal offense?
Also thought of restraining order! But given that Simran used so many fake profiles to contact Kirat... I don't think restraining order would work with this type of cunning person :(
Incredible story. Wonderful and kind presenter Alexi Mostrous I must say Thank You. Go on Happy with your Life good Soul Kirat ❤🥰....
Father only reads the letter when a man tells him and only listens to the case when another man Amrit tells him! Can’t you see the misogyny ?!!
What an amazing presentation!
You are beyond remarkable l🙏
law needs to change . catfish and deep fake need to be illegal
So Simran and Kirat are family friends rather than cousins if her dad's not spoken to Simran?
second cousins
I don’t think Simran wrote that second apology letter. I think her parents wrote it
Nah, they wouldnt have so much emotion in it
I really hope Kirat you went into therapy. First and foremost you do need to come to terms with where you went wrong, especially at such a mature age. You should’ve put 2 and 2 together quite earlier on. You not being able to answer when asked how you couldn’t distinguish between Simran and Yj’s voice just shows you were too engrossed in being involved and given attention that you did not care to question anything you were being fed. You never once questioned what the shooting was about, why he was in witness protection, why you were being given so much importance that even the wife wanted to update you, WHY? There are some deep rooted insecurities/factors you need to address before saying anyone could’ve fallen prey to this. No, if someone else was in your shoes, in this day and age (2010) people would question and exit. There were too many loopholes and red flags for anyone to stick around and entertain such online relations.
Indian family dynamics in a nutshell.
truth
Shame pervades through every part of traditional indian society. The keeping up of appearances- all so toxic and when you have been raised in this world, the fathers reaction is on point
16:45 he doesn’t want to mess up ties w Simrans family. Smh.
I think at the point of the interview Kirats dad didnt understand the full extent of everything yet. I think he didn mean to say that he feels sorry for Simran. He is defending his daughter Kirat, otherwise he wouldnt have agreed to be interviewed. But I think he also thinks maybe his own daughter let this all go on for far too long, meaning she should have been more responsible to not let herself be sucked in to this thing. I mean lets suppose Bobby was actually real, then still he treated her badly, kept her hanging on for years, made her suffer made her quit her job made her leave behind friends and happiness, never even sent her a video let her see him etc etc so many crazy things. Kirat has responsibility in this, in the sense that she should have dropped this relationship long long ago, even if he were a real person, she takes zero responsibility for anything. It isnt her fault she got targeted like this by her own cousin ofc, but it is her responsibility that she kept herself in this horrid nonsense for so long and let her own life go to shit.
i understannd this perspective, i think he sees it as all very cringe and is embarrassed kirat let it drag on for so long...kirat didnt have respect for her own time honestly and lacks accountability in that sense both girls lack accountability for their idiocracy
I think Simran had she not come clean would have gotten away with this forever because I don’t know if Kirat would have worked it out even after she knew someone was catfishing her. Simran came clean because she thought the police would investigate. The police didn’t give a damn and ultimately weren’t going to look into it anyway, so Simran would have gotten away with it had she not come clean.
Her dad wants her to stop because he sees her pursuing the case as hurting the decent family members of the girl. It has nothing to do with patriarchal-ness or etc. He genuinely sees the family members as his daughters victim, and he has a point. But it does not mean she should stop fighting for justice.
True- I dont think he does not feel bad for kirat its just that im asian culture- familial ties are really given more importance and u are right- I am sure the embarrassment and humiliation that the other family also experienced to have a daughter like simran is also a lot to take because they know she was in the wrong and that the sin of the daughter is not the sin of the entire family. simran has no idea how much her actions not only hurt kirat but also her own family. It is much more heavier to have a child who grew up to do psychotic things than a normal and loving one like Kirat. I do believe that Simran had an obsession with Kirat when she described her as “cool” and possibly created all this fiasco because of her obsession with her but it got too deep to get out already. also, i do think simran has some mental issues. If Kirat pursued the case, Simran could just come up with a mental health issue and I dont know if in UK that is excusable. However, I do believe that Simran is dangerous and must be seen by a doctor.
The father is upset hurt because he was kept in the dark.
Toxic family! Reminds me of my family. Taking the side of the perpetrator! Poor Kirat reminds me of myself (thinking my family are people and support me).
allright give me a notice in 2 more years
Why 2 y ? You get 10 m
Here’s your notice
@@AnaLucia-wy2ii thank you i completely forgot about sweet bobby what was the end result
@@reubeng2110 She won a civil suit and I believe the police are still investigating if a crime was committed.
Kirat's dads is upset because she has brought shame on the family with lesbian sexting on skype with Simran who may be a lesbian.
From hearing of all this podcast I personally that this Simran has gotten away Scot free
Well this podcast is out there? Her face picture is out there if you dig her out. One day her daughter will read about this
Kirat needs to take accountability for her actions. That’s what’s missing. She was gullible
I don't think believing your relatives and people from your community is gullible. And once you have years of being gaslighted, the ability to be objective also goes down :/
Beyond gullible. 10 yrs of not meeting someone?!?! Come on. The holes in the story. Maybe I've seen too many catfish stories but I don't understand how she fell for this.
Seems Simran assumed more was shared b/t JJ & Kirat in early communication, aka her perhaps assuming JJ had already exposed her (Simran's unnecessary, self-damaging, fantastical lies) & she created Bobby/JJ's death to end Kirat uncovering or perhaps empathizing with her own crazy through deflection. If S had any kind of emotional integrity/maturity she wouldn't have needed to resort to these tactics to develop her most intimate relationships. Online or off, varied levels of this type of forgery/social manipulation/isolation tactics resonate/are more relatable than we may like to admit, but this 10+ year charade takes the cake!
Yeah its so sad for Kirat. I wish her the best of luck in her future.
Kiran never interacted with real JJ, it was Simran pretending to be him! Previous episodes explain it
I’m so mad for Kirat.
Kirat was too quick to jump in and advise JJ, an adolescent, how to get back with a distant cousin she barely knew (Simran) - i cannot imagine getting drawn into such an ongoing text exchange with someone half my age when I was 30. Maybe she was talking to JJ or maybe she was talking to Simran, who knows? but I'll bet it was those exchanges that kicked this whole thing off. Why on earth was she chatting repeatedly with Simran's boyfriend???
Simran is that you?
I was Simran who had created JJ's account, JJ's "sudden death" was also a lie.
@@xtejaswinix point is it was represented as an account of an adolescent and she was a middle aged woman - why would she get lured into anything but a passing exchange with anyone that young? 🤔 she's got some creepy going on
She didn't "barely knew" Simran. Aside from being relatives, they were from the same, tightnit community.
Why cannot Bobby sue Simran for wrongful impersonation, making false promises by pretending to be some else, mental and emotional distress to him and his wife, attempt to cause issues in his married life, stealing personal information, spreading falsehood by claiming allnthe medical issues and even death!! I am sure uts possible.
Plus I don’t think Kirat has gotten over it
I wonder how simran got that executive position in the first place?? At barclays.?? If she could catfish 2, people i dont think she worked her way at the top legitimately.
Who was jj by the way ??
Simrans boyfriend and bobby's younger brother.
and Simran also Catfished JJ too, they talk about it in an earlier pod cast episode.
Father only reads the letter when a man tells him and only listens to the case when another man Amrit tells him! Can’t you see the misogyny ?!!
Grandfather of the accused can’t be descent as it happened in his watch ..something must me amiss in that family to create someone like the accused! The lack of self assertion by women in family matters is the cause ! Simiran was as repressed by culture n faith ..so they live in a virtual world
Kirat’s dad did show compassion. It’s just hard for him to overlook his daughter’s naiveté as well as the scorched earth vengeance mission she is on and her lack of concern about how she is hurting him and her family (from his perspective)
Vengeance would be to catfish Simran and waste 10 years of her life. She's merely seeking some form of justice.
Scorched earth vengeance?!! Are you family of Simran? Kirat is just trying to get justice. It isn't right that Simran can ruin someone's life, steal over a decade in which Kirat could have found real love and had a family, and have no tangible consequences. This is wild to me that anyone would think Kirat was in any way to blame here. Her compassion and big heart was cruelly taken advantage of by someone who lacked any care for what they were doing to her.
i agree, he just wants her to act in grace a little, even the way she barked at him for feeling sorry for simrans family sounded like shes a teenager. simran needs a mental insitution for sure tho
Kirat you HAD the agency to walk away especially when your Bobby was emotionally blackmailing you !!! It’s up to your nature which seems somewhat gullible that prevented you from walking away !! The root cause of that is your traditions and culture and I dare say historical scriptures that are outdated and not conducive to women’s interest ! Your sense of loyalty to your ex displays subservience to the man NOT loyalty ! Lol the dad reads the letter when another man requests it but not when his daughter begs him suffering so much ! It shouldn’t have happened it shouldn’t have happened..it HAS HAPPENED! Deal with it ! Why worry about extended relation of grandfather… it’s cos of the environment Simiran was bought up in it that caused this and affected her mental health !
Funny how this post places no blame on Simran. You made Simran the victim here
Actually her parents are not that strict or religious. There are even stricter Indian/punjabi parents whose children are not so naive. So I don’t buy that her environment is to blame for her gullible nature.
a VP at a bank isn't a "high powered job" it's low on the totem pole of officers at a bank
That’s a lie. Earning more than 300k per year is definitely high powered job
@@xoxox903 you're showing your ignorance about officer titles
@@Marcel_Audubon you sound bitter. She’s definitely in a high powered job and you’re triggered lol
@@xoxox903 you sound lobotomized ... do you know how many VPs there are at a large bank? Thousands and thousands ... most of them in their 20s. Love it when your generation confirms how stoooopid you are!!
Think Simiran did this cos Kirat was quite busy body taking on an agony aunt position all the time so she did this to see her making a fool of herself!
Are you a relative of Simran? Justifying her actions??
@@phoebs50 no
@@phoebs50 no both Simran and Kirat are victims of tribal mentality!
@@omgomg6602how is Simran a victim? If anything she needs psychological help but I hope she genuinely feels sorry and realises what she did wrong. It's not normal
@@omgomg6602to be pretending to be not just bobby but the other 29 people, that means she had countless phones all to mess with one person's head. Manipulation emotional control. And the barrage of messages daily from these people. How did simran have so much time on her hands to do all this if she works in banking?? The devotion to do this while working - the drive behind it for 8 years whatever to do it , to make up scenarios.... You cannot brush these actions under the carpet, this behaviour is worrying. If it were one of my relations, I'd worry what the underlying cause is. Ok you could argue she wanted to teach khirat some lesson for whatever reason which would last probably a couple months in some cases. But come on , for so long on a fake group chat, being that cousin at the same time feeding her false lies to Kimran by her side , I found it chilling.
Kirat’s father doesn’t seem to give a hoot
I wonder why ??
No one on simrin side of fam is holding her accountable 🙄they seem to want to brush it under the rug, typical Asian tactic.’.wut u don’t know won’t hurt’🤦🏻♀️.. ‘don’t talk about it & ppl will forget’ ‘ bury the head in the sand’ it’s really ridiculous really!
Typical Asian dad response 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Simran Bhogal was promoted to COO of Barclays Bank in 2018 and that salary pays 500k a year. I think most of Kirat’s motivation for seeking Justice is not necessarily because she was victimized but because her abuser is so high status and wants to destroy her. Which is fair at the end of the day
Ofc she wants some sort of payback. But she was victimized.
If this would have happend to me, wich it would never because im not that naive, 10 y of my life. I would want to destroy the person
except the COO of Barclays is a man named Alistair - try again
@@daffedavidsen6306
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She was insanely gullible
It doesn't actually matter if she was. She was still abused and mentally tortured. Blaming the victim isn't really helpful. Especially not when the perpetrator is showing signs of being a master manipulater thriving of other people's weakness. Would you shame a mentally disabled or old person being tricked? No, the perpetrator targeting the weak people are really much worse and really very sadistic.
At one point she might have been a bit naive, but that's not a crime. And further long she was broken down. You don't know if she was brought up not questioning or trusting her own feelings. Some kids are. Either way it's really not helpful shaming her. Do shame the awful and sadistic perpetrator. There is where the blame lies.
@kesses9041 I really don't care about your hypotheticals. She's not disabled or elderly she's stupid.
@@kesses9041I don’t think this person who made the gullible comment is sincere… this could be Simran herself. She could be listening making all these comments… making Kieran sound pathetic. Honestly the world is messed up.
@@SaradinGein simran!
Stop victim blaming. Even kids are guillable, should we do whatever we want with them. Is it their fault for being guillable? There are many people like evil like simran and naive like kirat in this world. What's wrong is wrong.
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She was sucked in just like so many people who are catfished into believing ridiculous stories, & who let themselves stay in abusive online "relationships".
The podcast spins a story & ignores some facts, like:
- she didn't waste 10 years, she was in the online "relationship" for 3 years.
- there were obvious red flags/inconsistencies & things she could have checked all along the way, eg "knows" the family, but never checked on Bobby's job or whereabouts, or his brother's supposed demise.
- if a married man was sharing with me what he should be sharing with his wife, i would tell him to do that, not keep on so he leaves the wife for me, falling for me online - it's immoral and ridiculous.
- she was 34 and still single so can't blame her cousin for ruining her chances of getting her own family imo - it was 3 years of waiting for an about to die online boyfriend by her own choice.
It's spin a story & gloss over facts just to come up with a victim storyline. With biased journalist.
Both these women are emotionally unsound/immature.
Simran explained herself in the personal apology. It's aligned with what I've seen of other female catfishers who get a crush on someone and let the deception spiral out of control.
The vicious lawyer period was because Simran realised there could be consequences & sought help.
I've ended up agreeing with the family - should have been left private, & the victim should have moved on.
However, the dishonest and dysfunctional way Simran copes with her personal tensions means i think it's better she isn't in a powerful job - she was going to come a cropper sooner or later with her immaturity & dysfunction.
As to the victim's dad, i thought he was very polite & restrained. Hell, my family are far worse & i cope, & I'm independent and take care of myself. I don't blame others for my own failings or make demands on others like K does.
Why is it a flex that you have no crutch to stand on if life hits you? You sound lonely, nothing to be proud of. And it's completely ridiculous to do victim blaming. It is completely irrelevant what kind of character Kiran was - I don't think she was gullible or naive, but even if she was, that doesn't change the fact Simran was to blame. Kiran did nothing wrong.
Also, if you think her dad was fine by not having a decency to feel protective of his daughter's mental life but more bothered about his or his family's reputation, I feel bad for you, pitiful really. And your parents were awful to you and you what, proud of it? You should learn from them and know how NOT to behave. Do better
What do you mean come up with a victim story? Gullible or not, she is a victim.
Your comment is ridiculous.
• she didnt say she couldnt have kids anymore, she is just saying that the mental trauma that she has put her through will make her think twice before getting into a new serious relationship.
•i know people who are seriously so gullible (too innocent) and fall for internet scams easily. Thats why this issue is till so prevalent today despite there being so many cases. Lets not pretend kirat is the only human to ever fall into such trap.
•”move on” you say? You just spit on the face of all victims. Seriously shows how much you lack compassion and empathy, oh the poor people in your life…
•nobody asked you to complement yourself we dont care how independent you are. You should be able to understand that each human deals with situation differently and reacts differently. Why is this such an alien concept to you? I agree that to some degree, responsibility did fall on kirat to double check but at the same time we have to consider how elaborate simran’s entire operation was. At the end of the day she was wronged and should get justice. And please never say to a victim “move on” when you dont know the power these two words hold.
Hi, I hope you get catfished and scammed 😚
@@Blobby22117The 3 years wasted in the “relationship” were 3 crucial years because she’s now at an age where she probably can’t have kids.
I can understand Kirat's father's reaction. If this happened to my daughter I would be ashamed to have raised someone so gullible. I wouldn't want people to know about how she was fooled and manipulated for EIGHT years.
Weell you are not a good human being
You don't need to imagine a hypothetical situation where you would be ashamed, because by this comment you brought shame to yourself already - a bad parent
Disgusting. If I was her parent I wouldn't stop until there was justice.
The only parents who should be ashamed are Sinram's for raising a scamming psychopath
The father is appalling. What do u expect from a culture that kills daughters who try to choose their own partners😡😡
I'm sorry, but kirat is more nuts than the actual catfisher if we are talking about mental stability.
She didn't seem right in the head and it's obvious she's still deluded and in love with the idea of Bobby. I bet she thought it in her irrational mind "he will see how much I love him and leave sanj and the baby for me".
Let's not forget she wanted to mow sanj down when she passed by her car. I don't care how stressed or upset you are, that is not a normal thing to consider.
Finally...can we please STOP calling this the most sophisticated catfishing scheme of all time? It wasn't sophisticated in the slightest. It was Kirats desperation/mental health/clear issues, that were the major concern of the show. That was the general consensus from the viewers.
The podcast and the netflix doc have backfired on her majorly. She went looking to be portrayed as some catfish martyr. But actually, the focus is not at all on Simran. It's on her. The producers of the doc were clever and knew what they were doing. They wanted to show the world how gullible, unintelligent and desperate some people struggle out there.
Witness protection in the USA was the ultimate joke. Come ONNN Kirat! ,
This whole documentary from Netflix has only not produced the outcome she was hoping for.
Sadly, this lady needs extensive psychological help. It is Bobby and Sanj who I feel the most sorry for. They were an innocent couple navigating life with a young baby when one day their life was turned upside down. Then Kirats went to the media to make some COIN. Their entire private family life has been destroyed. She's also still so deluded that apparently she can't understand why they don't want to have anything to do with her. It's like she was thinking they were going to be doing coffee meet ups with her or calling her round for roti and saag lol. The fact she was offended by their rejection and limited contact speaks volumes of what kind of person she is inside....which is sadly a very troubled woman..
Copy and paste 😅😅 you're everywhere. Who are you?!! You're Simran you need psychologically evaluation luv
@Renaissance2412 what’s your point of view why Simran did this to Kirat
@@Renaissance2412 the facts that you said NOTHING about the wrong doings that Simran did speaks volumes about who you are, where your morals lie and it all oozes toxicity. No doubt you are from the Simran klan
@@Renaissance2412 reminds me of the Zionist approach - not taking accountability for ONES actions, rather than the blame on one's gullibleness. This is why the world is full of people who have lost their morals. Simran a person lacking emotional intelligence/morals of basic rights and wrong will now raise her child who needs to know learn these things from her mother. Or else she will be brought up in the the environment lacking these and it doesn't look good for her daughter. Simran friendly advice: go to therapy and acknowledge what you did and work through the whys. As they say what goes round comes round
@@Renaissance2412 can't stand the truth can ya
I think Simran had she not come clean would have gotten away with this forever because I don’t know if Kirat would have worked it out even after she knew someone was catfishing her. Simran came clean because she thought the police would investigate. The police didn’t give a damn and ultimately weren’t going to look into it anyway, so Simran would have gotten away with it had she not come clean.
Kirat’s father doesn’t seem to give a hoot
I wonder why ??
Because it’s more about what community must be thinking as opposed to showing heartfelt emotions for his daughter. The shame that his daughter carried on with a relationship with a faceless stranger on the internet for so long is what he sees as ‘besthi’ (shame)as opposed to what Simran did.