If you wanted to, I actually think it's the easiest to ban and the most likely. Lots of cuesports have different rules on the break shot, you could easily mandate that on the break the cue ball has to hit a cushion after contacting the reds. The reason I say the most likely is TV, if the roll up from the back became the standard shot, it doesn't look good or entertaining and I think they'd apply pressure to speed it up in this regard.
@@shaunhill1701yep if it ever became common it’d probably be a rule that one of the balls should touch a cushion or be potted after the contact. No one wants to see 15 min of break off safeties
I love Williams, but a bit of a silly comment really. You can't ban an illegal shot, as it is already banned; you can ban a legal shot by making it illegal. It's banned in pool, so it could be banned in snooker. For example "On a break off, at least one red must hit a cushion" or "On a break off, the white must hit at least one cushion after making contact with a red".
Really nice video but your title is really misleading. Explained banned shots but all shots you show was legal :/ Why not "I explain Snooker shoots that people wants to ban" or something similar
@@firestar5810 i dint mind clickbait titles as long as the content is good its kinda just what you have to do to get people to watch your videos its sad but thats just how youtube works
@@miff227I think it was towards the end of his career. He realised with so many great potters and break-builders around he was getting no value from the normal break so this was a way to nullify that and hopefully use his tactical game which was still good. It's very likely he used it against Williams at some point!
6:40 I'm ambidextrous, when I was a kid I would swap hands constantly depending on which side of the table I was on, more than once playing snooker or pool someone would say "Oi, that's not fair" and I'd say "Not my fault I was born being able to use both hands equally well"
"Banned Shots" First shot shown: Not banned. 10/10 stuff. Should've watched more before commenting. Gave you the benefit of the doubt fella and you let me down. All shots not banned. 11/10.
I used to play that Mark Williams break - off the top cushion - because I was forever going in off into one of the black pockets when I tried a traditional break.
@@renerpho I agree. Mistakes are a part of sport & if that is trying something they are incapable of (like plying with the wrong hand) then they should not be prevented from doing it.
If I'm practising, I don't even bother doing that with my cue. I just set them up and then "fling" the cueball into the reds (at a 90° angle) from the side rail. It results in the same thing, being the reds nicely split and the white in the middle of the table.
lol love it. Like you have said not people know or even use the shots and techniques. Good examples though. He’s an idea for your next video. Tip size and shape! How it makes a difference to your play if it’s not chalked or if the tip is old and will not hold the chalk etc. How different professionals have their tip shaped and size included the depth as well. When should you change your tip? Whole topic there 😊. Keep up the great work buddy 👍🏻😎
As a left-handed shooter, the ambidextrous thing was not that hard to learn, but i also think i learned at a way younger age than most since people insisted on teaching me to shoot right handed because of weirdness of shooting lefty
I am extremely opposed to banning shots. I think Neal and people like him are simply arguing for people to play the game "properly," but who gets to decide what proper play is? I fully support creative and novel ways of playing snooker, and I completely oppose a retired player saying what should and shouldn't be banned. Only current players should have that say
@@TheRip72 agreed, but it should still be about helping your cue rather than your hand in my opinion, as both the rest and add-ons are designed for the glide of your cue
The great thing about this video is, that I understand everything without knowing the rules of Snooker! ^^ I've even learned some of the rules. ^^ Very entertaining video... Good Job!
When my neighbour taught me as a kid in the 80s, one rule about the break off was that at least two red balls must touch the cushions. That's what we see with the standard break off.
Neil Foulds got a bit of stick in this video. Genuinely though i think he is one the best snooker commentators and is more philosophical than the video suggests. He likes his talking points. Ive never seen the last shot played either. Jumping after you have struck a ball only ever usually happens by accident. Question - and one you may have missed. Is it still a foul if you hit a cushion first when snookered and then iump over a ball before hitting the object ball? I suppose it is. But could be very difficult to ever know for sure.
A jump shot is made when the cue-ball passes over any part of an object ball, whether hitting it in the process or not, except: (a) when the cue-ball first hits one object ball, other than a touching ball, and then jumps over another ball; or (b) when the cue-ball jumps and hits an object ball, other than a touching ball, and at the moment of landing on the playing area, the cue-ball is not on the far side of the current position of that object ball; or (c) when, after legally hitting an object ball, other than a touching ball, the cue-ball jumps over that ball after hitting a cushion or another ball. It would still be a foul.
@@tomhoffs8209 Yeah - a straight jump shot is easy to tell. But if you were playing off a cushion and it jumped at an angle it would be very hard to see IMO unless you jumped over a whole pack of reds.
@@flobbingdonkey You asked if it was still a foul and I answered. Whether or not that foul is seen will depend on the referee, but the rules are 100% clear.
Good stuff mate! Although you say "strike down into the cueball at a 45 degree angle" for the jump shot, and then on the video we can clearly see your cue angle is nowhere near 45 degrees, more like 5 degrees!
for the spider trick shot: I can see how this can get banned. Just implement the following rule: if you are using the spider, the queue has to be on top of the spider. 7:16 this might be useful, if the spider is completely missing from the table. You know, people steal everything that isn't pinned.
That last shot might be a little more useful in a situation where there is almost a clear path to the pocket, but not quite. So you only need to jump over the edge of the blocking ball, not the whole thing.
I think any shot where you lose complete control over the cueball is kinda worthless... plus, you risk being called for a foul, and without the benefit of a video replay, you can't prove it was a legal jump.
There’s a couple of those shots that in the hands of an amateur look to be good methods for ruining a table! Legal but not to be encouraged is how I’d describe them 😊
I don't understand why you don't see how they could ban the spider hand-resting technique. Wouldn't it be as simple as saying "you may not use a rest to support your bridge hand"? Or "when electing to use the rest, the cue must only be bridged using the rest".
The wording would be straightforward, but banning those types of shots would negate the purpose of "ancillary equipment" like rests, so I doubt it would ever happen. You're still striking the white appropriately.
2:12 There's a rule saying you should hold the rest while using. It's easy to add a clause saying that the cue stick should also touch any extra accessories you use while playing
I don't know where you've heard that the striker should hold the rest, but this is the only rule regarding use of ancillary equipment (rest etc) & does not mention that it needs to be held. It makes sense to hold it to stop it from moving though. Adding a statement to ensure it touched the rest would be possible but would be awkward to allow the the use of extras which attach to the rest itself like the small rest head extender & a fitment I have seen used which allows somebody to cue over a cushion. "Ancillary Equipment" is there to help players, not provide limitations, so I doubt you would see such a change. (Section 3) 20. Use of Ancillary Equipment It is the responsibility of the striker to both place and remove any equipment they may use at the table. (a) The striker is responsible for all items including, but not limited to, rests and extensions that they bring to the table, whether owned by them or borrowed (except from the referee), and they will be penalised for any fouls made when using this equipment. (b) Equipment normally found at the table which has been provided by another party, including the referee, is not the responsibility of the striker. It is not a foul if this equipment should prove to be faulty and thereby cause the striker to contact a ball or balls. The referee will, if necessary, reposition any balls in accordance with Section 3 Rule 15 and the striker, if in a break, will be allowed to continue without penalty.
The foul on SVB was called for a completely different reason. The ref thought the cue ball hit the rail first then the object ball, and then never hit the rail again. In retrospect the consensus is that it hit the object ball first and then the rail so it shouldn't have been a foul.
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@@jonwitherspoon1648 I cant remember the exact wording of the rule, but it’s something like not making proper contact with the cue ball with most of the tip of something like that
I think using the spider to elevate over other balls would be easily banned by having a rule saying that no implements are allowed to be in contact with the table unless in direct contact with the cue when the shot is played.
Good video, but it was a bit weird you said you couldn't think of a way that they could ban the shot holding the end of the spider. I think it would be pretty straightforward e.g. "A player may only touch the back half of the spider rest".
I used to regularly see push shots in professional tournaments on tv which were never called out. I think it’s probably because minor ones are very hard to discern.
Your last shot came up in a game of American 8 ball two weeks ago. I was playing in a match and my opponent made the jump shot to pocket the object ball and got perfect position on the 8 ball to win the game. I actually recorded it on video. I have only seen it played once before.
Is Bill Werbeniuk's "shot of the century" legal. I've tried looking up the rules and it seems a grey area. For example. there's stipulations that the ref can allow something to slide if a shot was clearly unintentional, or the player didn't gain an advantage from it. There's also an argument that he didn't jump a red to get to another red, but he instead bounced over it which is allowed. So shots like potting a ball and making the white jump to clear a pack of reds is legal.
When Bill played this shot, the specific rule about jump shots (section 2, rule 20) did not exist. Under the current rule, Bill's shot would be a foul.
The last jump you did was played in a pool game a few years ago, Alex Pagulyan played it. A jump shot where he jumped over a ball and then bounced over the next ball then hit the object ball (3 ball) and potted it. Not too long ago maybe within the last year. A predator run tournament if memory serves.
Here are the pool equivalents (WPA): 1. Miscue - in pool, accidental miscues are not treated as fouls, however, intentional miscues (with a clear intent of gaining an advantage) are considered as unsportsmanlike conduct and can render penalties harsher than a foul 2. Spider - i've never seen it done, but i saw players putting two rests on top of each other so i guess it would be ok? 3. Breakoff - not relevant in pool - except in straight pool, but there is a number of balls you have to drive to a rail for the break to be considered legal 4. Hurdle - absolutely legal, just like jump shots, if executed by striking down on the cueball (not scooping it from underneath) 5. Cue lift - not legal. The cue must be traveling in a forward motion of its axis for the stroke to be considered legal 6. Switching hands - no problems whatsoever 7. Rest trick - never seen it used but i don't see any problems with it 8. Jump shot - since even cueball jump shots are legal in pool, this one is as well
I’ve been able to play both left and right handed for a lot of years, it winds my Dad up constantly. I am left handed but play most sports with my right hand (due to schools not being lefty friendly back in the day), I started snooker right handed but my local landlord and coach told me to try left and i practiced constantly, now I find it relatively easy and quite fun to mix it up
I opened this after Ronnies 'non-foul' that was called a push shot. (I'd like to hear your opinion on that) I'm curious about the hurdle shot. I thought there was a rule about intentionally causing the cueball to leave the table. This shot only works because the cueball hits the object ball above center, hence leaving the table.
I can see how professional players would have the skills to do a jump shot; but your local club with amateurs might ban it because replacing a cloth is pretty expensive. It seems to be wrong to have two sets of rules: but in football your Sunday league ref does not have VAR and your tennis club does not have Hawkeye (or whatever they call it these days). So we live with professional operating with different rules.
Jack Lisowski just jumped the white over the pack in his Worlds qualifier to keep a break going - now 51 and counting - so it does sometimes come in handy!
Would this one that I played years ago before I started playing pool ben legal? It's a break off shot where you first hit 7 cushions before hitting the pack from the backside. After the second cushion, the cue ball jumps over the 15 reds. I would love to see you give it a try!
I had quite a few discussions about that object ball jump shot. I knew it was legal but noone ever saw it being played so most people just concluded it's an illegal jump shot. Imagine that first example when you jumped the black ball. Practice that and you can make the cueball fly into the pack of reds. Crowd's gonna roar 😁
Big fan of your videos, but they absolutely could ban the first shot. WPA rules have intentional miscues not as fouls but as unsportsmanlike conduct. It's pretty easy to tell what someone's intention is when playing a shot like that.
we have Neal Foulds to thank for bringing up all these shots that should be banned because we get a new break from life video from those comments also I have to learn the dark art of respotting colors with a snap of my fingers like at 6:40, such a timesaver
I'd be in favor of banning the intentional jump shots for the reason that they damage the cloth slightly, I dont see a strong reason to ban any of the others, they dont give the player any advantage, the cue lift and miscue are only used to avoid a foul - push.
In american pool (WPA rules, among others) intentional miscueing as described in the first example is actually banned. the cue lift in example 5 is also banned because a shot is defined as "a forward stroke motion of the cue stick." Everything else you showed is legal in american pool. (except soft breaks, but thats a difference in how the games are played)
“How can they ban a perfectly legal shot”. Go on Williams you legend.
If you wanted to, I actually think it's the easiest to ban and the most likely. Lots of cuesports have different rules on the break shot, you could easily mandate that on the break the cue ball has to hit a cushion after contacting the reds. The reason I say the most likely is TV, if the roll up from the back became the standard shot, it doesn't look good or entertaining and I think they'd apply pressure to speed it up in this regard.
@@shaunhill1701yep if it ever became common it’d probably be a rule that one of the balls should touch a cushion or be potted after the contact. No one wants to see 15 min of break off safeties
I love Williams, but a bit of a silly comment really. You can't ban an illegal shot, as it is already banned; you can ban a legal shot by making it illegal. It's banned in pool, so it could be banned in snooker. For example "On a break off, at least one red must hit a cushion" or "On a break off, the white must hit at least one cushion after making contact with a red".
How can they ban a perfectly legal shot. Easy. Make it no longer legal. Williams should've been reprimanded for that nonsense.
@@kingofthedivan1251 You just described every breakoff ever.
Neal Foulds has experience in doing things that have subsequently been banned. Seems the right man for the job.
I think it’s just to start conversations but it’s funny it keeps being him
Elaborate pls😂. I don't know any facts 😅
@@nicktrousers He's accusing the son of the things that were actually done by the father...and the sins of the father are not those of the son!
Beta blocker Foulds, sounds bitter to me. It's clever, saying it doesn't 'look' right has got nothing to do with anything
@@danielkarmy4893Neither the Son or the Father made any sins what so ever. Neil Foulds on the other hand.
"Snooker BANNED shots explained."
Includes zero banned shots.
I like how his "45 degree angle" was about a 10 degree angle.
Really nice video but your title is really misleading. Explained banned shots but all shots you show was legal :/ Why not "I explain Snooker shoots that people wants to ban" or something similar
Yep
Cause click baity titles that's why
@@firestar5810 i dint mind clickbait titles as long as the content is good its kinda just what you have to do to get people to watch your videos its sad but thats just how youtube works
Came here only for this comment
Haha - Love Fouldsy and reckon he's one of the best commentators and pundits - but the ribbing of him on this video was great 😂
Yeah he’s definitely one of the best
I don't know, I think ribbing him like this should be banned.
😅😂@@renerpho
@@renerpho yeah, the way we speak about him....just doesn't sound right....
Legend has it Neal Foulds added a D to his last name because he hates fouls so much
I’d argue he’d rather have the d removed as he loves fouls. He’d have everything be a foul I’d say
😂 That was a good one!
I remember Steve Davis doing the roll up break years ago long before Williams and for exactly the same reason.
Steve used play it off 2 cushions didnt he? which is actually the way i prefer
Alex Higgins did it too
That's interesting.
came to say this, I think in the 90s? or noughties?
@@miff227I think it was towards the end of his career. He realised with so many great potters and break-builders around he was getting no value from the normal break so this was a way to nullify that and hopefully use his tactical game which was still good. It's very likely he used it against Williams at some point!
6:40 I'm ambidextrous, when I was a kid I would swap hands constantly depending on which side of the table I was on, more than once playing snooker or pool someone would say "Oi, that's not fair" and I'd say "Not my fault I was born being able to use both hands equally well"
Surely it takes time to develop and practice the cueing technique on each side
Lifted rest is helpful when you in some club that need you to look for a spider, some of my club here you have to share spider rest with other table.
yeah can be helpful in the right place
The rests aren't that expensive. I hate it when they are missing or broken and you have to go look for them.
"Banned Shots"
First shot shown: Not banned.
10/10 stuff.
Should've watched more before commenting. Gave you the benefit of the doubt fella and you let me down. All shots not banned. 11/10.
I used to play that Mark Williams break - off the top cushion - because I was forever going in off into one of the black pockets when I tried a traditional break.
great video, definitely learned some things. When ronnie did that break entirely lefthanded there were calls to ban switching.
Which does seem crazy now
@@Breakfromlife It seemed crazy at the time, too.
@@renerpho I agree. Mistakes are a part of sport & if that is trying something they are incapable of (like plying with the wrong hand) then they should not be prevented from doing it.
I often play the mark williams version break shot but with as hard speed as I can hit the white ball, ending up with perfect clean table exercise.
If I'm practising, I don't even bother doing that with my cue. I just set them up and then "fling" the cueball into the reds (at a 90° angle) from the side rail. It results in the same thing, being the reds nicely split and the white in the middle of the table.
We were doing the "Mark Williams" break forty years ago.
I like these special videos about special or controversial game situations. Would like more of it! 👍
lol love it. Like you have said not people know or even use the shots and techniques. Good examples though. He’s an idea for your next video. Tip size and shape! How it makes a difference to your play if it’s not chalked or if the tip is old and will not hold the chalk etc. How different professionals have their tip shaped and size included the depth as well. When should you change your tip? Whole topic there 😊. Keep up the great work buddy 👍🏻😎
As a left-handed shooter, the ambidextrous thing was not that hard to learn, but i also think i learned at a way younger age than most since people insisted on teaching me to shoot right handed because of weirdness of shooting lefty
Great video, loved the edit on the blue coming back on the table!
Great video as always. From Belfast, NI!
I am extremely opposed to banning shots. I think Neal and people like him are simply arguing for people to play the game "properly," but who gets to decide what proper play is? I fully support creative and novel ways of playing snooker, and I completely oppose a retired player saying what should and shouldn't be banned. Only current players should have that say
Big fan of your videos from San Juan, Puerto Rico! I wish snooker was played in my homeland.
- Alex
The one using the rest should definitely be banned. Easy to do as well, just make a rule that the cue has to be in contact with the rest. Job done.
What about the little rest head extenders? Surely the rests are there to help?
@@TheRip72 agreed, but it should still be about helping your cue rather than your hand in my opinion, as both the rest and add-ons are designed for the glide of your cue
The great thing about this video is, that I understand everything without knowing the rules of Snooker! ^^
I've even learned some of the rules. ^^ Very entertaining video... Good Job!
When my neighbour taught me as a kid in the 80s, one rule about the break off was that at least two red balls must touch the cushions. That's what we see with the standard break off.
It would probably work to require the que ball to hit a cushion after the red on a break off.
Neil Foulds got a bit of stick in this video. Genuinely though i think he is one the best snooker commentators and is more philosophical than the video suggests. He likes his talking points.
Ive never seen the last shot played either. Jumping after you have struck a ball only ever usually happens by accident.
Question - and one you may have missed. Is it still a foul if you hit a cushion first when snookered and then iump over a ball before hitting the object ball? I suppose it is. But could be very difficult to ever know for sure.
A jump shot is made when the cue-ball passes over any part of
an object ball, whether hitting it in the process or not, except:
(a) when the cue-ball first hits one object ball, other than a
touching ball, and then jumps over another ball; or
(b) when the cue-ball jumps and hits an object ball, other
than a touching ball, and at the moment of landing on
the playing area, the cue-ball is not on the far side of the
current position of that object ball; or
(c) when, after legally hitting an object ball, other than a
touching ball, the cue-ball jumps over that ball after
hitting a cushion or another ball.
It would still be a foul.
@@tomhoffs8209 Yeah - a straight jump shot is easy to tell. But if you were playing off a cushion and it jumped at an angle it would be very hard to see IMO unless you jumped over a whole pack of reds.
@@flobbingdonkey You asked if it was still a foul and I answered. Whether or not that foul is seen will depend on the referee, but the rules are 100% clear.
Really nice video! Very informative, and with enough comical bits! 👍
STEPHEN LEE should have the ruling vote on what’s allowed!
I don't think hand switching was ever controversial. It was just Roubidoux being butthurt for getting steamrolled by Ronnie.
Good stuff mate!
Although you say "strike down into the cueball at a 45 degree angle" for the jump shot, and then on the video we can clearly see your cue angle is nowhere near 45 degrees, more like 5 degrees!
for the spider trick shot: I can see how this can get banned. Just implement the following rule: if you are using the spider, the queue has to be on top of the spider.
7:16 this might be useful, if the spider is completely missing from the table. You know, people steal everything that isn't pinned.
That last shot might be a little more useful in a situation where there is almost a clear path to the pocket, but not quite. So you only need to jump over the edge of the blocking ball, not the whole thing.
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The issue with that shot is that you need to be perfectly straight, and as pointed out in the video you would need exacting circumstances.
Yeah, but you have no idea where the white will end up, so unless it is frame ball or a bet, it probably isn't worth it.
I think any shot where you lose complete control over the cueball is kinda worthless... plus, you risk being called for a foul, and without the benefit of a video replay, you can't prove it was a legal jump.
There’s a couple of those shots that in the hands of an amateur look to be good methods for ruining a table! Legal but not to be encouraged is how I’d describe them 😊
And some of these shots aren't exactly tip-friendly either.
I don't understand why you don't see how they could ban the spider hand-resting technique. Wouldn't it be as simple as saying "you may not use a rest to support your bridge hand"? Or "when electing to use the rest, the cue must only be bridged using the rest".
The wording would be straightforward, but banning those types of shots would negate the purpose of "ancillary equipment" like rests, so I doubt it would ever happen. You're still striking the white appropriately.
2:12 There's a rule saying you should hold the rest while using. It's easy to add a clause saying that the cue stick should also touch any extra accessories you use while playing
I don't know where you've heard that the striker should hold the rest, but this is the only rule regarding use of ancillary equipment (rest etc) & does not mention that it needs to be held. It makes sense to hold it to stop it from moving though.
Adding a statement to ensure it touched the rest would be possible but would be awkward to allow the the use of extras which attach to the rest itself like the small rest head extender & a fitment I have seen used which allows somebody to cue over a cushion.
"Ancillary Equipment" is there to help players, not provide limitations, so I doubt you would see such a change.
(Section 3)
20. Use of Ancillary Equipment
It is the responsibility of the striker to both place and remove any
equipment they may use at the table.
(a) The striker is responsible for all items including, but not
limited to, rests and extensions that they bring to the table,
whether owned by them or borrowed (except from the
referee), and they will be penalised for any fouls made
when using this equipment.
(b) Equipment normally found at the table which has been
provided by another party, including the referee, is not the
responsibility of the striker. It is not a foul if this equipment
should prove to be faulty and thereby cause the striker
to contact a ball or balls. The referee will, if necessary,
reposition any balls in accordance with Section 3 Rule 15
and the striker, if in a break, will be allowed to continue
without penalty.
First player I saw use the miscue technique was Alex Higgins..
Did he do it on purpose though, or was he just drunk?
@@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag On purpose.
@@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag He was just drunk on purpose
I'm still working on potting the easy shots, but this was quite entertaining. I'm glad I got to watch this video before it gets banned.😁
The foul on SVB was called for a completely different reason. The ref thought the cue ball hit the rail first then the object ball, and then never hit the rail again. In retrospect the consensus is that it hit the object ball first and then the rail so it shouldn't have been a foul.
I didn't even realise that was the rule. I just thought one ball had to hit a rail, regardless of when it happens. You learn something new every day!
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One of the rules in pool is that you can’t INTENTIONALLY miscue the shot, so they could just add that to snooker
Is it a miscue if that was what you intended to do though?
@@jonwitherspoon1648 I cant remember the exact wording of the rule, but it’s something like not making proper contact with the cue ball with most of the tip of something like that
i wanted to like the video but the likes are 888 and the dislikes are 8. I just can't do it!
It’s more now
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I think using the spider to elevate over other balls would be easily banned by having a rule saying that no implements are allowed to be in contact with the table unless in direct contact with the cue when the shot is played.
Nice crib you got there. . However you need a interior decorator.
Yeah, I’m getting there with it. I’ve got the insulation done. Just need to sort the plasterboard out.
That "lifting the cue" shot has been banned in pool. They changed the rules to say a legal stroke has to be a forward motion.
What’s the difference in hurdling the cue ball and jumping the object ball?
Good video, but it was a bit weird you said you couldn't think of a way that they could ban the shot holding the end of the spider. I think it would be pretty straightforward e.g. "A player may only touch the back half of the spider rest".
Helpful instructions, could playing the ball straight into Neal Foulds mouth and return onto the table be classed as a foul? Good post thanks 👍
I used to regularly see push shots in professional tournaments on tv which were never called out. I think it’s probably because minor ones are very hard to discern.
Your last shot came up in a game of American 8 ball two weeks ago. I was playing in a match and my opponent made the jump shot to pocket the object ball and got perfect position on the 8 ball to win the game. I actually recorded it on video. I have only seen it played once before.
That'd be cool to see. Are you planning on uploading the clip?
@@PsychedeliKompot I recorded it for my opponent. Maybe he still has it.
"How can they ban a perfectly legal shot?” is an utterly ridiculous question. It is only legal shots that can get banned.
Is Bill Werbeniuk's "shot of the century" legal. I've tried looking up the rules and it seems a grey area. For example. there's stipulations that the ref can allow something to slide if a shot was clearly unintentional, or the player didn't gain an advantage from it. There's also an argument that he didn't jump a red to get to another red, but he instead bounced over it which is allowed. So shots like potting a ball and making the white jump to clear a pack of reds is legal.
When Bill played this shot, the specific rule about jump shots (section 2, rule 20) did not exist. Under the current rule, Bill's shot would be a foul.
Banning a shot because it doesn’t look right. What a tool Foulds is.
He’s good he’s just trying to get people talking
Don't over react. Foulds is far from a tool, one of the best commentators there is.
@@Box0rz Okay Box0rz.
The last jump you did was played in a pool game a few years ago, Alex Pagulyan played it. A jump shot where he jumped over a ball and then bounced over the next ball then hit the object ball (3 ball) and potted it. Not too long ago maybe within the last year. A predator run tournament if memory serves.
"Neal, there's some lovely sunshine in the Algarve this time of year"
Neal "Ban it"
Awesome vid very interesting even for a casual snooker fan
Here are the pool equivalents (WPA):
1. Miscue - in pool, accidental miscues are not treated as fouls, however, intentional miscues (with a clear intent of gaining an advantage) are considered as unsportsmanlike conduct and can render penalties harsher than a foul
2. Spider - i've never seen it done, but i saw players putting two rests on top of each other so i guess it would be ok?
3. Breakoff - not relevant in pool - except in straight pool, but there is a number of balls you have to drive to a rail for the break to be considered legal
4. Hurdle - absolutely legal, just like jump shots, if executed by striking down on the cueball (not scooping it from underneath)
5. Cue lift - not legal. The cue must be traveling in a forward motion of its axis for the stroke to be considered legal
6. Switching hands - no problems whatsoever
7. Rest trick - never seen it used but i don't see any problems with it
8. Jump shot - since even cueball jump shots are legal in pool, this one is as well
You did a good job at putting this video together sir
Great video that, really enjoyed it. BTW I see the map has gone, I stole the idea for my own channel 👍😀
I’ve been able to play both left and right handed for a lot of years, it winds my Dad up constantly. I am left handed but play most sports with my right hand (due to schools not being lefty friendly back in the day), I started snooker right handed but my local landlord and coach told me to try left and i practiced constantly, now I find it relatively easy and quite fun to mix it up
So you can play with either hand because you "practiced constantly" to give yourself that advantage? Seems fair to me.
Fouldsy's rather judgemental for a guy who refuses to pick up his cue on camera.
How are his judgements and reticence to play (presumably with Hendry) related?
@@UnboxRacing They both show he hasn't got a sense of humour 😆
Fred Davis used to occssionally play left handed and Dennis Taylor too. Billiards players used to do it in the heyday of billiards 1920s 1930s.
Liked and subscribed for the blue replacement 🫡
Jesus H. Christ that table is the size of my driveway 😅
The trick where you hold the rest up is seen in pool, since there is no spider available.
I opened this after Ronnies 'non-foul' that was called a push shot. (I'd like to hear your opinion on that)
I'm curious about the hurdle shot. I thought there was a rule about intentionally causing the cueball to leave the table. This shot only works because the cueball hits the object ball above center, hence leaving the table.
I can see how professional players would have the skills to do a jump shot; but your local club with amateurs might ban it because replacing a cloth is pretty expensive. It seems to be wrong to have two sets of rules: but in football your Sunday league ref does not have VAR and your tennis club does not have Hawkeye (or whatever they call it these days). So we live with professional operating with different rules.
Jack Lisowski just jumped the white over the pack in his Worlds qualifier to keep a break going - now 51 and counting - so it does sometimes come in handy!
Ended up as a 108 break
That blue ball edit 🤌🏼
Would this one that I played years ago before I started playing pool ben legal? It's a break off shot where you first hit 7 cushions before hitting the pack from the backside. After the second cushion, the cue ball jumps over the 15 reds. I would love to see you give it a try!
Given the fact you are even allowed to pot a ball, having it run over the rail, I doubt any of these will ever be banned.
I used to do that Mark Williams break as a kid, but I'd come off the side cushion first.
The roll in to back of the reds used to be common.
really had to laugh with this video 😂
Would love to know if you have had a 147? Great vids and content as always 👏🏻🥃
Using the rest resting on the spider. I've seen this in match play
Great video
Putting all these in the bag o tricks
The only one of these that I think should be banned is that lifting the cue shot. Not super useful but it’s not a conventional strike at all.
It's also the only one that could easily be banned, just by defining what it means to strike a ball with a cue.
Might have to try the spider. Because of my height (or rather lack of) bridging over the pack is always very difficult for me
Let’s make a petition to ban Neal Foulds from proposing to ban everything
Let's ban petitions in general.
@@renerpho You're gonna need some way of getting a consensus for that proposal.
@@Squant Getting Neal Foulds on my side is more than enough. Shouldn't be too hard.
I had quite a few discussions about that object ball jump shot. I knew it was legal but noone ever saw it being played so most people just concluded it's an illegal jump shot.
Imagine that first example when you jumped the black ball. Practice that and you can make the cueball fly into the pack of reds. Crowd's gonna roar 😁
NOW I KNOW thank you old chap
Great video. Ayush from Delhi, India.
Ban Foulds
Big fan of your videos, but they absolutely could ban the first shot. WPA rules have intentional miscues not as fouls but as unsportsmanlike conduct. It's pretty easy to tell what someone's intention is when playing a shot like that.
What's your take on the push shot call last night?
we have Neal Foulds to thank for bringing up all these shots that should be banned because we get a new break from life video from those comments
also I have to learn the dark art of respotting colors with a snap of my fingers like at 6:40, such a timesaver
it’s interesting how many times he kept saying it
Great video. Simon from Edmonton Alberta Canada
Most liketly, Neal Foulds resents the ways to give players some advantage that either he didn't think of, or he could never master.
WC very soon..
I'm off to shop for a barrel of popcorn, or two.
Imagine DJ Audits appearing outside Neal Foulds’ workplace recording 😊
Have to get Steve Davis on it.. he's a DJ!
I'd be in favor of banning the intentional jump shots for the reason that they damage the cloth slightly,
I dont see a strong reason to ban any of the others, they dont give the player any advantage, the cue lift and miscue are only used to avoid a foul - push.
Why should that be banned. That guy is very smart for utilizing all the tools given to him on the snooker table
Awesome! Could make a vid analysing the jumping object ball? 👍👍 10-04-24, 16:46H.
In american pool (WPA rules, among others) intentional miscueing as described in the first example is actually banned. the cue lift in example 5 is also banned because a shot is defined as "a forward stroke motion of the cue stick." Everything else you showed is legal in american pool. (except soft breaks, but thats a difference in how the games are played)
And Ronnie just got hit with a push shot that wasn't anything close to one
Unless I was misinformed the jump shot was legal in snoker a long time ago. It was called the steeplechase
The only reason why playing with an opposite was ever an issue is because Alain Robidoux had a meltdown.
I've never tried the "just a third of my tip" move.
What should be banned is taking 6 minutes to play a shot when 66 points up and reds on the cushions - Mark Selby.
It shouldn't be legal. Kyren wilson did this other day in world championship. He is using the side of the tip, that's a miss cue and a push.
Just the tip, got it.
Neal "I didnt think of it therefore it should be banned" Foulds