Don't let this distract you from the fact that Hector is gonna be running 3 Honda Civic's with spoon engines. On top of that he just came into Harry's and ordered 3 t66 turbo's with NOS's and a Motec System Exhaust.
i'm still stuck on the car choice and still looking to all of the options for the fun AFTER you get the car, man, this is exhausting haha! so much stuff
Stephen Brewer Was looking for this “bags are for groceries , static’s is for radio comment” in the comment section...ahhh there it is! Hahaha clean evo buddy!
I wish I could use both at once, I plan on getting a truck that wont tip if I go fast through a turn, but one that can take reletively bumpy dirt roads
@@grugg3108 I’m not old enough to drive but I’m a total motorhead and one of my dream cars is a jacked up ram and I think a tall air suspension is a good choice cuz depending on how much it can lower, it can be used to get in the truck easier and to be lower for pulling a trailer
Solution: Air piston/Air cup kit; put them on top of your coilovers. You get the best of both worlds: The ability to lift or lower your car while still maintaining the functionality of the coilovers. After being static for three years, this is the next step for me. Yes, I’d look ridiculous with the car lifted up, but I don’t have to worry about cracking oil pans or other components. Low for the show, lift for the go.
I was gonna say the same thing; that he didn't mention this. I've wanted a cup kit coilover suspension since only Tein sold it back when. Now Driftworks sells them too, & I'm pretty sure the price point is more affordable now too.
The problem with the pneumatic cups is, you have to run a shorter spring. This equals a loss of shock travel. I do like the idea of the cups, but you'd need shortened struts to really pull it off.
I didn't know this was a thing. I'm planning to go ham on my audi and go straight up race car/show build but wanted the performance of coil overs with the ability to clear objects like air ride . This is exactly what i was looking for. Thanks
My stock coil got broken on my VW Passat B5.5. So I though it would be a good idea to upgrade all 4 suspensions to coil overs. I was thrilled to see and feel the car handles and corners. The car has become very exciting to drive.
Air is really really nice and gives a great ride. Amazing flexibility and great for dialing in for use. The expense after 5 years of ownership is insane. Cost of air bags, blocks, pumps, air lines is atrocious. Owned 3 range rovers and a Lexus GX. I’m set with coil overs now.
Unless you track your car, or live in an area with pristine roads, Lowering Springs on OEM Struts is the way to go. I've tried KSports (with multiple spring rate setups) and BC Racing with Swift Springs, as well as custom lowering springs that ended up being the best of them all. The only reason you'd want coilovers over lowering springs is the ability to change dampener settings on the fly. Otherwise, for the street the harsh KSports turned on a dime, but bounced so much that I hit my head on the roof whenever there's a bump in the road. BC Racing is much more comfortable, but somehow doesn't initiate turns as aggressively as my lowering springs, and bigger bumps and dips still shook the car way too much. At +20%F/+25%R spring rate for my 4,100 lbs wagon, it turns a tame family wagon into a sporty family car that can handle just about everything you throw at it. It turns almost as good as the KSports with slightly slower turn initiation, holds the corners almost as well, and have none of the discomfort (a girl who knows nothing about cars gave the KSports a 3/10 for comfort and lowering springs a 7/10, IMO that much gain in comfort is worth the 0.2 second delay in turn initiation). I'm sure AIR is smoother than lowering springs, but I don't actually want something that smooth because of the way I drive. And because of the progressive nature of air, I'm sure it'll be slightly slower on turn initiation even if it holds the corner just as well.
Tbh, I plan on using air bags from Air Lift performance. Not for lowering, mostly, but for both for ride quality, allowing for better clearance, and as the AL Subaru STi proved by posting a track record on bags, they have great response. Looks are barely anything for me, I care much more for the styling of the car itself, and given my options, I'm not going to care much about ride height aside from performance
Air suspension still has a lot more potential to unlock. The nonlinear nature of air springs requires well tuned nonlinear dampers to really show what they can do.
People mismatched the air spring with the dampers and then say it's shit when it doesn't work well. You can definitely race on air suspension and some people actually do
i went with coilover when i did a suspension overhaul for my 1976 bmw 02. i had never been one to get really nerdy about fitment and have been more into just driving it, been to very few shows but drove it across the coutbry. i went w static cause it was my understanding that coils typically are more performance oriented and more reliable (theres no tensile polymer membrane that can burst) i LOVE my ground control couls and they are amazing. that being said as inspowly get into this stuff i wonder how the experience might have changed if i was on air
You forgot one important consideration:.........trunk space. I was personally thinking about air suspension but I like my trunk space and I'd have to arrange a difficult setup to fit the air tank, compressor and a sound system if I wanted one. I always liked coil-overs though.
This is literally my dilemma with my focus. I love the space from it being a hatch and just hate to ruin it with a perm tank. But I do love the functionality of bags. The struggle is real.
I had a Honda with air suspension many years ago and I had a ton of fun with it, could take my car thru places others couldn't and my wheels were secured at night because my body kit would sit completely on the ground, wheels tucked. It was really fun... until it wasn't. Custom paintjob basically went to shit due to the ripples down the doorskins, quarterpanels and trunk and numerous parts broke from the crazy amount of flex that system had. It was a 10 switch system; front and rear, side to side, full car and individual wheels all had a pretty decent range of lift and drop, going higher than stock and flush with the ground. I went thru body kits A LOT. The final straw for me was when the rear end dropped on the freeway with my kids in the back seat. Nope. Never again.
@Jose Adame Hahaha yeah air suspension can be rough, however, when it's set up appropriately and specifically to the vehicle, it's badass and sometimes saves your ass!! I don't know much about Range Rovers and their setups but I'm assuming you're running an aftermarket setup?? Or do those things come stock with an air setup?? My Honda already had the air ride setup on it when I bought it (I was 19 lmao.... bought a project car from a car lot.... never do that!!!) and I loved it, but it wasn't done right so it would slam the body kit on the ground completely~got expensive really quickly!! Mine didn't have limiters tho because they were air shocks only, no bumpstops basically. Depending on your setup etc, you should be able to level those out to be flush.... Lower end setups tend to have issues in this area, same with coilovers. I'd have a professional look at and fix them if it were me. You may need to upgrade your system to a better setup but most of the work is already done at least!! Good luck with it tho. I've got coilovers on my car, however, I'm gonna upgrade to a higher quality setup as soon as possible. Raceland ultimos are chill for the drop but no adjustments & fine tuning options, no camber/caster plates available, troublesome, bouncier than I like and I can't adjust damping/compression/rebound etc.
@Jose Adame gotcha. Can I offer you some advice?? It's really nice that you have a dad that will help you out with this type of stuff (do something nice for him man...) but you're gettin ready to take on the world on your own ~when your dad's out there fixing your ride, get out there and learn. Help do the work and take the initiative to have him teach you all basic maintenance skills, plus everything else you can learn. You'll save money by doing your own work (like thousands, no joke) and if something inevitably happens with any one of your future vehicles and your dad can't get to you, you won't be stranded waiting for assistance. Plus you'll have confidence and reward of doing your own work, which is great!! I actually have my 10 year old son doing all my oil changes (since he was 8 years old lol,) rotating my wheels and helping me with anything I'm working on. I want him to be self-sufficient when he's an adult so I'm starting him young.
Nice dude I don't blame ya I hate having to worry like that! Does your car have wheels or anything aftermarket to it done? If so you should upload your STI to our gallery man we would love to see it! 🤟 bit.ly/2Ma4oca
So im thinking of running air suspension on my ride and here are the conditions: There is really only one track near where I live so that means that I wont get much time on it. the roads here are complete ass so It'd be cool to be able to bring my car up after showing it off so that I don't scrape anything and finally I think being able to lift and lower when ever you want is pretty cool.
What about speed humps and areas that would scrape the under of the car? Bags make it useful to drive low and rise to go over those things. Coilovers for the tracks🔥
Basically one approach requires you too manually change the spring end stop location but this leaves ride height and spring rebound independent of one another. While the the second approach offers you automatic height adjustment but will cause an increase in spring rebound when raising ride height and vice versa. Beyond spring rebound and manual vs automatic ride height adjustment there is little too no difference in the two approaches as either air bag or metallic springs can be mounted to pretty much any strut you may want (ie. dampening adjustment). So the general view that show cars benefit from bags and track cars benefit from coils is objectively pretty accurate.
Didnt think about this till I had wrote the comment but on a hypothetical basis if one could produce air springs that only changed pressure independent of height and magnetic dampers you could make an extremely effective active suspension system that could dynamically respond too both road and driving conditions
I have ran both. Airlift performance coils over bags. AMAZING. If I want to go into a drive way air up. Wanna ride super low air out a little. Wanna shit on people air out completely a sit on the frame. Low maintenance. Worth every penny.
Milan2124 Airlift is for track or street. Airlift is not “air bags”.. It’s more like coils over bags. Best of both worlds. Show it daily it or track it.
I want to get some air cups, an air/coilover hybrid for my 370Z. All I want to do is give my car a variable ride height suspension and damper kit. Tie this into an ECU and find a way to adjust steering wheel stiffness to create a "Driving Mode" selector. You know, Track, Sport, Comfort. It would be nice to cruise day to day without feeling like someone karate chopping my neck all the time, yet corner like a boss when I want to get serious.
I've *_ALWAYS_* wanted air. Especially hard dump jumpers so I can hop on gas. Yes they're not as powerful as Hydraulics but it's just so cool being different and still hopping, on bags more powerful than everybody else's.
I work at an air ride shop, and you would be amazed at the stuff air can do now. It's more reliable, and sophisticated than it used to be. That being said, it is expensive especially for imports, classic cars like impala's, Continental's are cheaper. But if your one of those guys that wants to drive it, and never work on it coilovers are definitely the way to go. Good video
The problem of going bags or coils are those who only have 1 car as their daily.they wanted that slammed look while sacrificing drivability/function.so when the issue occur soon,then they start regreting things and end up spending more for fixes and rental car.
static and reasonable height, you can drive everywhere no problem with a bit of caution on bumps and driveways, it handles amazing and you don't have to deal with all the additional weight, complexity, and compressor noise clusterfuck that air brings into your trunk. One occasion where I like to see air are land yacht vip builds, they aren't practical anyway and don't handle either so air could be a cool party trick on those
You guys should really talk about the inbetween. Bag over coils air suspension. Using an air management system. And using universal air bags. And coilovers as a strut. Yes this goes against your sales pitch. But it by far the most probable way to go for someone who wants a it on air budget. Anyone that's interested in this look at blaine nojiri's videos on his Z's set up. Very informative. That's the super cheap way. If on a budget I would get the universal bags, ebay coils. And the 3H system. Hook it up and boom. Your good to go. Im trying to go silvers or zeal coils 9k front 7k rear, UAS bags, and a 3H management with an endo CVT. So if I ever want to hard drift. I can switch out the air bags for the springs. Disconnect the air wiring for the management. And go at it. And switch back when/if I want. Literally the best of both worlds.
Air bags can be affordable if you know what your doing Specially if you use nonConstant switches A lot of times if the management that doesn’t work that well anyway that’s pricey part I have $1300 into a kit thats been in my car going on 5 years with no problems
I did that for nearly 4 years when I was a kid and while you can get used to it..it quickly gets old once you buy a brand new sports car and drive it. You're also forgetting about being limited on where you can drive your car . Depending on the roads you can completely tear up the bottom end of your car if you're not observing the road for minor dips. The way I see it..anyone who has a car strictly for track use has all the reason in the world to lobby for static. However those who hate on bags and ride coilovers on daily drivers are just unable or unwilling to spend the extra money on something more practical for daily use. Why drive that way and subject yourself to an uncomfortable bumpy ride ? Why limit yourself to one height vs 4 at a push of a button ? It has to be to save money.
@@blkeclipsel2400 of course its to save money but I also like the way static rides. And yeah you gotta pay extra attention. Ive never had an issue messing up my car, you just have to pay attention and be careful
Air cups are a good option best of both worlds I would choose cup over bags in heartbeat my main reason for going statics is I do not want to be stranded I have seen it when an air line goes out or a bag and your air out and can't drive plus it takes balls to drive a static car
Luis Vera what are they like? was told a few days ago it’s like riding a 3 wheel motorcycle 🤔not sure how that can be but saw a video on UA-cam and they looked ok
Hello, Shoot us an email at shop@fitmentindustries.com and we can help you otherwise I have here listed all the kits available for your ride! bit.ly/2AeSSI8
The biggest thing about air is having to winter proof the lines, gotta do like the truckers do, they gotta a gaseous antifreeze product to put in the lines during the winter to keep them from freezing the air
@@Kev27RS dont go too low for coilovers? Fcking common sense no shit and itd jst a scrapenit wont fcking kill the car, and air lifts r for looks no fuctions shits trash period
I got Coilover for my Honda Ridgeline 2019 on my 22s inches Rims low profile tire I had to change sway bar linkage... looks sexy and I can take corners at 60mph without any under or over steering...
I am looking at a 2008 lincoln navigator and I want to tow with it. Air suspension is stock and they are know to fail, I would also like to take it on some mild off roading. Would a coil be better for me? Would switching them out also affect the towing capacity as well?
Hoboe Mojo coilovers are just better period it’s new suspension components also u can lower it more than springs .... springs are if u just want your car to look nice with your wheel to fender ratio
One aspect of air suspension that I don't see discussed is from a handling perspective. Historically convention coils (springs or coilovers) have been the norm for performance applications. What I'm curious about is if air suspensions have evolved to the point where your average enthusiast can have the best of both worlds: super adjustable ride height *AND* a suspension that can handle the demands of a track car. I'm old school and have always associated air with cars that want to look cool, but are mostly cruisers. I love the look, but would never want to sacrifice the handling capabilities of a coilover or regular ol' coil sprung suspension. Do these air suspension companies offer options for those of us who daily drive a low car, but also hit the track on occasional weekends? That's something I'd really be interested in learning more about. Thanks, guys, and keep up the good work on the channel.
I live in the UK so roads are quite bumpy so it's quite a difficult decision coil overs would be better for racing and drifting but I'll end up scrapping my car on the road all the time we're as on bags, I can raise when driving on roads the lower when at a show
Installing a fully-adjustable coilover on a car without properly setting it up is posing. It may look nice in your sigline, but you're actually hurting the car's handling. With an adjustable damper and adjustable perch heights you have just introduced new variables into the system of which you may have no understanding. If you don't understand them you are bound to under utilize them or worse: screw it up and actually take a step back in performance. "Aftermarket" does not mean "better", although you'd never know it from the signature envy on forums. Too many people purchase dampers without knowing WHY they want new ones in the first place. If you don't truly understand how the properties of a damper impact handling, how do you suppose you're going to adjust it properly? IMO you can't use it properly, but the kids at the local drive in will automatically think it's cooler and when you get down to it that is what most people are buying: coolness factor. Coilovers get really old in a daily driven car. They, are not meant for a daily driver, or even a casual enthusiast. They are for the track, and are adjustable for a reason.
What about for offroad? Can you use air suspension to sightly lift a car and then lower it to stock or slightly lowered ride height? Looking to use it for when you get stuck you just lift it a bit and bam. No longer high centered.
I have a fairly simple question as I cannot find the info I am looking for. I have a 2007 Grand Caravan that needs new rear shocks. I can also get coilover Monroe shocks that say they will maintain ride height up to 1200lbs. I don't know what the original suspension is rated for, but it isn't that. If I go with coilovers what will the ride feel like with no weight in the van? I do load it up quite often with tools and material that makes it sit on the bumper stops and ride quite low in the rear.
We don't do a whole lot with vans but if you would like to email us at shop@fitmentindustries.com we may be able help. You may want to look into a truck for hauling that much weight though
I live in NYC and there’s a lot of speed bumps and potholes. Like I’m on the bus and in the time it took me to type this out we hit like 7 potholes already..... make that 8. So what do you recommend? Bags or Anything else
Great video.. 1 question.. Coilovers are not adjustable on the fly.. but can be adjusted.. How ? and im in Cols Ohio , tip for finding a good shop to install..
Is air no good for oof road then? I don’t need an off-road focused set up. I have at 06 forester xt. But it’d be cool to be able to go from a low street ride height to a higher one for some clearance when accessing trailheads or lakes/mountains
The two 86's hurt my brain. No matter what you run for suspension please don't run camber like that. Ruin your wheels and takes away performance. I simply can't understand why people do that to their cars.
Air compressors and tanks belong on 4x4’s/overlanding rigs, not in performance cars. Cars that serve no purpose other than to ‘look cool’ (being a completely subjective interpretation) are a waste.
I have a McPherson type suspension meaning that an inch and a half is the lowest max for a great handling car due to its former design. This is my reasoning for this option. Personally would bag my wifes 2016 Corolla over my 1989 VW Fox. All about how it works.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Hector is gonna be running 3 Honda Civic's with spoon engines. On top of that he just came into Harry's and ordered 3 t66 turbo's with NOS's and a Motec System Exhaust.
Old and gay
I NEED NOS 😂😂😂
Your gonna blow the welds on your intake stupidest thing ever heard on fast and furious
i died at this haha!
@@AllaboutTheWoodrows explain why its bad?
this stuff is so interesting for someone just getting into the scene but the options are making my head spin
Same man
@@TheKingsGambitShorts frrrr what r u considering doing bro
i'm still stuck on the car choice and still looking to all of the options for the fun AFTER you get the car, man, this is exhausting haha! so much stuff
Same here man, trying to get bags for a hardbody
@@Oscar-lo4fh same
Bottom line:
- static for the go
- air for the show
pwschuh static for fanatic
Bags for douche
Yeah nope... Thats the other way around....
Bags preserve range of motion, static gets you stuck.
I don't think Jesper's BMW as static is "for the go"... 😂
Martin Umaguing when you couldn’t afford bags so you have to hate on them (high school carguy joke)
Darian Murcott-Istead FTW
Both. Coil overs on the rear, air on the front, (so you can get over speed bumps properly 😂)
Hollyyyyy i didnt even think about that.. does it run properly?
would that be ideal for a DD that sees an occasional drift day? that’s actually a pretty good idea. seriously.
just get air cups
@@Madvillian is that new?
@@vaporsheep9330 No, people just don't know about them.
Static is for the radio.
Bags are for groceries.
Both are great
Stephen Brewer Was looking for this “bags are for groceries , static’s is for radio comment” in the comment section...ahhh there it is! Hahaha clean evo buddy!
But you have to eat the booty like groceries
Bags for street, Coils for track... i love them both!
I wish I could use both at once, I plan on getting a truck that wont tip if I go fast through a turn, but one that can take reletively bumpy dirt roads
@@grugg3108 I’m not old enough to drive but I’m a total motorhead and one of my dream cars is a jacked up ram and I think a tall air suspension is a good choice cuz depending on how much it can lower, it can be used to get in the truck easier and to be lower for pulling a trailer
2:27 did that bmw use its blinker? i thought that was a myth.
It's a defect. I'm sure the owner took it to the dealership to get it fix. Stupid turn signal letting other drivers know my intent.
Wait...they have turn signals?
@@ironmanmachine after market mod
There’s a third option: air cup on coilovers. Best of both worlds. Allows you to roll low then lift up when the need arises.
Thanks for making me privy of these. They seem like an awesome option
thanks for letting me know abt this
this is perfect for what i need
You cannot go full airout with this setup
Bruh imma get hydraulics
@@epixxor3468 🤣💀
i find this funny haha
Eddie lmfao 😂
I had it but then sold it for a fire price and got coilovers
Hmm
Solution: Air piston/Air cup kit; put them on top of your coilovers. You get the best of both worlds: The ability to lift or lower your car while still maintaining the functionality of the coilovers.
After being static for three years, this is the next step for me. Yes, I’d look ridiculous with the car lifted up, but I don’t have to worry about cracking oil pans or other components. Low for the show, lift for the go.
I think you could of just said “bag over coils” and leave it at that
I was gonna say the same thing; that he didn't mention this. I've wanted a cup kit coilover suspension since only Tein sold it back when. Now Driftworks sells them too, & I'm pretty sure the price point is more affordable now too.
Or ditch the oil pan for a plate and use dry sump feed...
The problem with the pneumatic cups is, you have to run a shorter spring. This equals a loss of shock travel. I do like the idea of the cups, but you'd need shortened struts to really pull it off.
I didn't know this was a thing. I'm planning to go ham on my audi and go straight up race car/show build but wanted the performance of coil overs with the ability to clear objects like air ride . This is exactly what i was looking for. Thanks
My stock coil got broken on my VW Passat B5.5. So I though
it would be a good idea to upgrade all 4 suspensions to coil overs.
I was thrilled to see and feel the car handles and corners.
The car has become very exciting to drive.
Air is really really nice and gives a great ride. Amazing flexibility and great for dialing in for use. The expense after 5 years of ownership is insane. Cost of air bags, blocks, pumps, air lines is atrocious. Owned 3 range rovers and a Lexus GX. I’m set with coil overs now.
Would you do an air to coil over conversion on your range rover if given the chance?
@@jesusiboa9115😂😂😂 why would you do that
I have bags in front, and coils in the rear on my 69 c10. Mostly procrastination. Guess I should bag the rear too. I'll worry about it tommorw
This is why I’ll always remain subscribed for videos like this, especially for the people who are undecided to what to go for. 🙋🏻♂️
Bolo we got you 🙌🏽
Just depends on your budget and platform. Simplicity 👌
Petrol_ Enthusiast absolutely right sir, but paying one time but get a big time for coilovers are rest assured.
There are 2 candy red wheels behind you. What are the models? We're looking for wheels right now. Thanks
bababoey
that’s tuff
Oof
ESR AND HERITAGE
I like my wheel gap.
Being an animal lover it gives them a shelter from the elements.
Stop hatin on the critters, show em some love yoe.
Lmao wow. I hear you tho
🤔 you may have a point
Unless you track your car, or live in an area with pristine roads, Lowering Springs on OEM Struts is the way to go. I've tried KSports (with multiple spring rate setups) and BC Racing with Swift Springs, as well as custom lowering springs that ended up being the best of them all.
The only reason you'd want coilovers over lowering springs is the ability to change dampener settings on the fly.
Otherwise, for the street the harsh KSports turned on a dime, but bounced so much that I hit my head on the roof whenever there's a bump in the road.
BC Racing is much more comfortable, but somehow doesn't initiate turns as aggressively as my lowering springs, and bigger bumps and dips still shook the car way too much.
At +20%F/+25%R spring rate for my 4,100 lbs wagon, it turns a tame family wagon into a sporty family car that can handle just about everything you throw at it. It turns almost as good as the KSports with slightly slower turn initiation, holds the corners almost as well, and have none of the discomfort (a girl who knows nothing about cars gave the KSports a 3/10 for comfort and lowering springs a 7/10, IMO that much gain in comfort is worth the 0.2 second delay in turn initiation).
I'm sure AIR is smoother than lowering springs, but I don't actually want something that smooth because of the way I drive. And because of the progressive nature of air, I'm sure it'll be slightly slower on turn initiation even if it holds the corner just as well.
i agree i can tien lower springs on my stock shocks best rider ever. 2010Civic SI
Tbh, I plan on using air bags from Air Lift performance. Not for lowering, mostly, but for both for ride quality, allowing for better clearance, and as the AL Subaru STi proved by posting a track record on bags, they have great response.
Looks are barely anything for me, I care much more for the styling of the car itself, and given my options, I'm not going to care much about ride height aside from performance
I like how fast you talk. You get a lot of info out in a short time. Im on here deciding suspension for my 05 z4.
Air suspension still has a lot more potential to unlock. The nonlinear nature of air springs requires well tuned nonlinear dampers to really show what they can do.
People mismatched the air spring with the dampers and then say it's shit when it doesn't work well. You can definitely race on air suspension and some people actually do
Finally! I found a chanell talks about perfect fitment for our car! Thanks!
Glad we could be here for assistance man! Dont forget to upload your ride to our gallery too if you haven't already! bit.ly/2Ma4oca 👍
You guys make such awesome content! This channel is going to blow up
It blew up!
i went with coilover when i did a suspension overhaul for my 1976 bmw 02. i had never been one to get really nerdy about fitment and have been more into just driving it, been to very few shows but drove it across the coutbry. i went w static cause it was my understanding that coils typically are more performance oriented and more reliable (theres no tensile polymer membrane that can burst) i LOVE my ground control couls and they are amazing. that being said as inspowly get into this stuff i wonder how the experience might have changed if i was on air
All I want to know is what do I have to do to make my camry suspension as smooth as a new s class merc. Luxury
You forgot one important consideration:.........trunk space. I was personally thinking about air suspension but I like my trunk space and I'd have to arrange a difficult setup to fit the air tank, compressor and a sound system if I wanted one. I always liked coil-overs though.
This is literally my dilemma with my focus. I love the space from it being a hatch and just hate to ruin it with a perm tank. But I do love the functionality of bags. The struggle is real.
Cesar Ramirez two tanks under the front seats
ALWAYS STATIC FOO
Love that BMW Dude, what is your gekund clearance?
Ground* lmao dutch autocorrect
haven't actually measured, you cant even fit your foot under the front lip and the frame isn't much higher
Nice Dude, my Passat is gonna be about 1,5/2,0 inches off The ground so it’s gonna be a hell of a rough ride
Need to make a protective cover for The bottom though
Mad that he never mentioned speed bumps as an advantage for airbags lmaoo
Tee hee hee 😒
Old school. My EJ and CL9 on Tein S Tech springs.
I had a Honda with air suspension many years ago and I had a ton of fun with it, could take my car thru places others couldn't and my wheels were secured at night because my body kit would sit completely on the ground, wheels tucked. It was really fun... until it wasn't.
Custom paintjob basically went to shit due to the ripples down the doorskins, quarterpanels and trunk and numerous parts broke from the crazy amount of flex that system had. It was a 10 switch system; front and rear, side to side, full car and individual wheels all had a pretty decent range of lift and drop, going higher than stock and flush with the ground. I went thru body kits A LOT. The final straw for me was when the rear end dropped on the freeway with my kids in the back seat. Nope. Never again.
@Jose Adame Hahaha yeah air suspension can be rough, however, when it's set up appropriately and specifically to the vehicle, it's badass and sometimes saves your ass!! I don't know much about Range Rovers and their setups but I'm assuming you're running an aftermarket setup?? Or do those things come stock with an air setup?? My Honda already had the air ride setup on it when I bought it (I was 19 lmao.... bought a project car from a car lot.... never do that!!!) and I loved it, but it wasn't done right so it would slam the body kit on the ground completely~got expensive really quickly!! Mine didn't have limiters tho because they were air shocks only, no bumpstops basically. Depending on your setup etc, you should be able to level those out to be flush.... Lower end setups tend to have issues in this area, same with coilovers. I'd have a professional look at and fix them if it were me. You may need to upgrade your system to a better setup but most of the work is already done at least!! Good luck with it tho. I've got coilovers on my car, however, I'm gonna upgrade to a higher quality setup as soon as possible. Raceland ultimos are chill for the drop but no adjustments & fine tuning options, no camber/caster plates available, troublesome, bouncier than I like and I can't adjust damping/compression/rebound etc.
@Jose Adame gotcha. Can I offer you some advice?? It's really nice that you have a dad that will help you out with this type of stuff (do something nice for him man...) but you're gettin ready to take on the world on your own ~when your dad's out there fixing your ride, get out there and learn. Help do the work and take the initiative to have him teach you all basic maintenance skills, plus everything else you can learn. You'll save money by doing your own work (like thousands, no joke) and if something inevitably happens with any one of your future vehicles and your dad can't get to you, you won't be stranded waiting for assistance. Plus you'll have confidence and reward of doing your own work, which is great!! I actually have my 10 year old son doing all my oil changes (since he was 8 years old lol,) rotating my wheels and helping me with anything I'm working on. I want him to be self-sufficient when he's an adult so I'm starting him young.
Park it how you ride it, that’s my motto
I needed this video. I wanted air suspension on my STI but I think I'll go with coilovers. Don't want the maintenance issues.
Nice dude I don't blame ya I hate having to worry like that! Does your car have wheels or anything aftermarket to it done? If so you should upload your STI to our gallery man we would love to see it! 🤟 bit.ly/2Ma4oca
coilovers all the way all I want in my car is simple look but absolutely reliable so when it comes to suspension coilovers is my bet.
had Bilstein PSS9 coils on my E36 and loved them, once I move out of Denver will definitely get some K&Ws for the M3
Never decide! buy two cars air on one coils on the other. Problem solved
No everyone can afford to buy two cars... let alone two sets of suspension mods.
WinterCraft Issa joke
ohh1979 you read my mind man.🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
gillixexik it’s not a joke dude. If we get two cars, it be a lot better to have coilovers and air suspension
...but then you'd have to decide which to drive
Real men buy a NASCAR and put coils on the left and air on the right
I think air is a good choice for me, because I live in a country/ town area, wheres there are pot holes, dirt road but they're also nice roads
I love in Pennsylvania, which is like huge pot hole central, coils suck out here, but we make due. But love bags too lol
I live with air ride in my semi truck. I will definitely be installing them on my car when I can.
I'm trying to learn and mod my car and i would like to put coilovers. Would you please make a comparison video of cheap vs expansive coilovers?
Great suggestion! I bet we could get a lot of views with something like that!
Going with the air suspension for my G37xs🔥🤟🏾💫
So im thinking of running air suspension on my ride and here are the conditions:
There is really only one track near where I live so that means that I wont get much time on it.
the roads here are complete ass so It'd be cool to be able to bring my car up after showing it off so that I don't scrape anything
and finally I think being able to lift and lower when ever you want is pretty cool.
All pretty justifiable reasons to get air! LOL for real though based on your explanation air seems practical for you.😬bit.ly/2JYmf62
Air ride started as just for looks but now can do what coil overs do and with better ride comfort can control rebound and compression too
What about speed humps and areas that would scrape the under of the car? Bags make it useful to drive low and rise to go over those things. Coilovers for the tracks🔥
True, but hypothetically what if a main air line breaks. Then you’ll be in big trouble because you’re lower than coilovers usually are
@@coloranalist5193 fair enough then you'll have to be careful and monitor it like most aftermarket car parts used on the daily.
Basically one approach requires you too manually change the spring end stop location but this leaves ride height and spring rebound independent of one another. While the the second approach offers you automatic height adjustment but will cause an increase in spring rebound when raising ride height and vice versa. Beyond spring rebound and manual vs automatic ride height adjustment there is little too no difference in the two approaches as either air bag or metallic springs can be mounted to pretty much any strut you may want (ie. dampening adjustment). So the general view that show cars benefit from bags and track cars benefit from coils is objectively pretty accurate.
Didnt think about this till I had wrote the comment but on a hypothetical basis if one could produce air springs that only changed pressure independent of height and magnetic dampers you could make an extremely effective active suspension system that could dynamically respond too both road and driving conditions
I have ran both. Airlift performance coils over bags. AMAZING. If I want to go into a drive way air up. Wanna ride super low air out a little. Wanna shit on people air out completely a sit on the frame. Low maintenance. Worth every penny.
MostHated818 how much was that setup
Allabout TheWoodrows $4-5K. I can track it or show it.
MostHated818 how often do the pumps run
Im planning on buying it for my 2015 nissan gtr but is airsusp durable and my car is a bit on the heavy side
Milan2124 Airlift is for track or street. Airlift is not “air bags”.. It’s more like coils over bags. Best of both worlds. Show it daily it or track it.
I want to get some air cups, an air/coilover hybrid for my 370Z. All I want to do is give my car a variable ride height suspension and damper kit. Tie this into an ECU and find a way to adjust steering wheel stiffness to create a "Driving Mode" selector. You know, Track, Sport, Comfort. It would be nice to cruise day to day without feeling like someone karate chopping my neck all the time, yet corner like a boss when I want to get serious.
Been riding static for a minute and still contemplating if I want air ride or not
I've *_ALWAYS_* wanted air.
Especially hard dump jumpers so I can hop on gas.
Yes they're not as powerful as Hydraulics but it's just so cool being different and still hopping, on bags more powerful than everybody else's.
I actually love fast talkers.
Same, they waste less time!
I work at an air ride shop, and you would be amazed at the stuff air can do now. It's more reliable, and sophisticated than it used to be. That being said, it is expensive especially for imports, classic cars like impala's, Continental's are cheaper. But if your one of those guys that wants to drive it, and never work on it coilovers are definitely the way to go. Good video
The problem of going bags or coils are those who only have 1 car as their daily.they wanted that slammed look while sacrificing drivability/function.so when the issue occur soon,then they start regreting things and end up spending more for fixes and rental car.
Coil and air is like build for track or show. One is better for one thing and other for other stuff. You put what you need.
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static and reasonable height, you can drive everywhere no problem with a bit of caution on bumps and driveways, it handles amazing and you don't have to deal with all the additional weight, complexity, and compressor noise clusterfuck that air brings into your trunk. One occasion where I like to see air are land yacht vip builds, they aren't practical anyway and don't handle either so air could be a cool party trick on those
So ur saying u rather do air on a ls400 vip build than coilovers
You guys should really talk about the inbetween. Bag over coils air suspension. Using an air management system. And using universal air bags. And coilovers as a strut. Yes this goes against your sales pitch. But it by far the most probable way to go for someone who wants a it on air budget.
Anyone that's interested in this look at blaine nojiri's videos on his Z's set up. Very informative. That's the super cheap way. If on a budget I would get the universal bags, ebay coils. And the 3H system. Hook it up and boom. Your good to go.
Im trying to go silvers or zeal coils 9k front 7k rear, UAS bags, and a 3H management with an endo CVT.
So if I ever want to hard drift. I can switch out the air bags for the springs. Disconnect the air wiring for the management. And go at it. And switch back when/if I want. Literally the best of both worlds.
That’s why I choice coil overs because I didn’t want to deal with maintenance.
Yeah just going to go coilover. Great video!
Air bags can be affordable if you know what your doing Specially if you use nonConstant switches A lot of times if the management that doesn’t work that well anyway that’s pricey part I have $1300 into a kit thats been in my car going on 5 years with no problems
Thanks, I was acutally looking at this very thing for the G8.
Always been in love with Coils, bags dont fit my personality honestly lol
The solution of going over speeds bumps and pulling into places is going in at a angle so if you have a static setup that is the solution
I did that for nearly 4 years when I was a kid and while you can get used to it..it quickly gets old once you buy a brand new sports car and drive it.
You're also forgetting about being limited on where you can drive your car . Depending on the roads you can completely tear up the bottom end of your car if you're not observing the road for minor dips.
The way I see it..anyone who has a car strictly for track use has all the reason in the world to lobby for static. However those who hate on bags and ride coilovers on daily drivers are just unable or unwilling to spend the extra money on something more practical for daily use.
Why drive that way and subject yourself to an uncomfortable bumpy ride ? Why limit yourself to one height vs 4 at a push of a button ? It has to be to save money.
@@blkeclipsel2400 of course its to save money but I also like the way static rides. And yeah you gotta pay extra attention. Ive never had an issue messing up my car, you just have to pay attention and be careful
What if you do both?
Air cups are a good option best of both worlds I would choose cup over bags in heartbeat my main reason for going statics is I do not want to be stranded I have seen it when an air line goes out or a bag and your air out and can't drive plus it takes balls to drive a static car
Coilovers with air cup kit 👍👍
Luis Vera what are they like? was told a few days ago it’s like riding a 3 wheel motorcycle 🤔not sure how that can be but saw a video on UA-cam and they looked ok
what can i use for off road use when driving into deep snow or steep dirt roads?
What kind of vehicle?
2024 awd prius. i want to raise it when going off road and to ski resorts then lower it for better mpg on the highway@@FitmentIndustries
Airride might be your best option then
Hi there how can i get air suspension system for honda accord 2098
Hello, Shoot us an email at shop@fitmentindustries.com and we can help you otherwise I have here listed all the kits available for your ride! bit.ly/2AeSSI8
Static because, I personally don’t like the tucked lip to fender look anyways.
I like slight poke with tire to fender.
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id rather not have my front bumper crushed by a speed bump
@@xannax2050 or a leaf
Dang, guess I have a great A.S.S.
The biggest thing about air is having to winter proof the lines, gotta do like the truckers do, they gotta a gaseous antifreeze product to put in the lines during the winter to keep them from freezing the air
coil overs are lighter, weight reduction bro
Lighter then Air...
@@Dezzylyricz than...
DannyBoy94 😂
jamdc2000 yes because air is so heavy compared to a spring. Lol
No tank. No compressor. No airlines. It probably is lighter.
The road is too bad in my country to drive low on the ground. So bags are the best down here. Low when in the show and high when on the go
What do supercars have then because some can lift to clear speed bumps and driveways
I want to buy a Brz and wanted to know if I should save up for the coil overs first or tires and wheels when starting from a stock set up.
The respec from static guys is 100% more than bagged guys. Thats the main reason.
Nsthan Vue agreed! Bagged guys all have a attitude like their the greatest thing ever
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They at least don't fuck up their whole car while driving around...
Kev27RS cough cough air cups
@@Kev27RS dont go too low for coilovers? Fcking common sense no shit and itd jst a scrapenit wont fcking kill the car, and air lifts r for looks no fuctions shits trash period
I got Coilover for my Honda Ridgeline 2019 on my 22s inches Rims low profile tire I had to change sway bar linkage... looks sexy and I can take corners at 60mph without any under or over steering...
I am looking at a 2008 lincoln navigator and I want to tow with it. Air suspension is stock and they are know to fail, I would also like to take it on some mild off roading. Would a coil be better for me? Would switching them out also affect the towing capacity as well?
I believe the guys over at www.customoffsets.com can help you find exactly what you need for your Navigator!
Why do lowering springs over coilovers? Or vice versa?
Hoboe Mojo coilovers are just better period it’s new suspension components also u can lower it more than springs .... springs are if u just want your car to look nice with your wheel to fender ratio
One aspect of air suspension that I don't see discussed is from a handling perspective. Historically convention coils (springs or coilovers) have been the norm for performance applications. What I'm curious about is if air suspensions have evolved to the point where your average enthusiast can have the best of both worlds: super adjustable ride height *AND* a suspension that can handle the demands of a track car. I'm old school and have always associated air with cars that want to look cool, but are mostly cruisers. I love the look, but would never want to sacrifice the handling capabilities of a coilover or regular ol' coil sprung suspension. Do these air suspension companies offer options for those of us who daily drive a low car, but also hit the track on occasional weekends? That's something I'd really be interested in learning more about. Thanks, guys, and keep up the good work on the channel.
Wheel Addiction check out Airlift
Do a video about jnc wheels
Yes!
Coilover over bags I live in a cold state the lines will freeze which stops you from airing up
You should make the wheels on the wall spin like if they were spinners
I like to see rims moving fast cuz its the only time you get to see them in action and how they look when they spend
I live in the UK so roads are quite bumpy so it's quite a difficult decision coil overs would be better for racing and drifting but I'll end up scrapping my car on the road all the time we're as on bags, I can raise when driving on roads the lower when at a show
Installing a fully-adjustable coilover on a car without properly setting it up is posing. It may look nice in your sigline, but you're actually hurting the car's handling. With an adjustable damper and adjustable perch heights you have just introduced new variables into the system of which you may have no understanding. If you don't understand them you are bound to under utilize them or worse: screw it up and actually take a step back in performance. "Aftermarket" does not mean "better", although you'd never know it from the signature envy on forums. Too many people purchase dampers without knowing WHY they want new ones in the first place. If you don't truly understand how the properties of a damper impact handling, how do you suppose you're going to adjust it properly? IMO you can't use it properly, but the kids at the local drive in will automatically think it's cooler and when you get down to it that is what most people are buying: coolness factor. Coilovers get really old in a daily driven car. They, are not meant for a daily driver, or even a casual enthusiast. They are for the track, and are adjustable for a reason.
I mean coilovers can still be nice for everyday driving. Sometimes stock suspension gets old and worn out over time plus weather effects these things.
What about for offroad? Can you use air suspension to sightly lift a car and then lower it to stock or slightly lowered ride height? Looking to use it for when you get stuck you just lift it a bit and bam. No longer high centered.
you can easilly upgrade your air suspension by putting coilovers
AkumaYuki lmao
I have a fairly simple question as I cannot find the info I am looking for. I have a 2007 Grand Caravan that needs new rear shocks. I can also get coilover Monroe shocks that say they will maintain ride height up to 1200lbs. I don't know what the original suspension is rated for, but it isn't that. If I go with coilovers what will the ride feel like with no weight in the van? I do load it up quite often with tools and material that makes it sit on the bumper stops and ride quite low in the rear.
We don't do a whole lot with vans but if you would like to email us at shop@fitmentindustries.com we may be able help. You may want to look into a truck for hauling that much weight though
I live in NYC and there’s a lot of speed bumps and potholes. Like I’m on the bus and in the time it took me to type this out we hit like 7 potholes already..... make that 8. So what do you recommend? Bags or Anything else
Yeah definitely a set of good coils is needed at that point! How is the bus in NYC is it pretty wild lol?
Fitment Industries bus drivers drive like if they don’t care about your life one bit 😂😂 so yeah I’m excited to get my first car
Fitment Industries just trying to get a good idea of what i want to do to my car before i get my car.... if that makes sense lol
Great video.. 1 question.. Coilovers are not adjustable on the fly.. but can be adjusted.. How ? and im in Cols Ohio , tip for finding a good shop to install..
There should be a dial on of the coil to adjust the height, Sadly there is no on the fly adjustment!
Fitment Industries thx, great website
I run K w in my mk4 R32 An it handles like no other , been on bagged cars an just don’t appreciate the ride
Considering air because i want a soft boat ride for around town with potholes but sport mode for other times...
4:02 anyone know the drivers info ?
Is air no good for oof road then? I don’t need an off-road focused set up. I have at 06 forester xt. But it’d be cool to be able to go from a low street ride height to a higher one for some clearance when accessing trailheads or lakes/mountains
me: *drives a muddy jy with leaf springs* "hmmm, what to choose, what to choose?"
Which is better to daily for work? mostly highway driving..
The two 86's hurt my brain. No matter what you run for suspension please don't run camber like that. Ruin your wheels and takes away performance. I simply can't understand why people do that to their cars.
I'd love you guys to do a review of this review now we're in 2020.
Air compressors and tanks belong on 4x4’s/overlanding rigs, not in performance cars.
Cars that serve no purpose other than to ‘look cool’ (being a completely subjective interpretation) are a waste.
IDK dude. Mustang vert on bags gets Cougars like no other and a S/C coyote can scoot-scoot when you need to Haha
I have a McPherson type suspension meaning that an inch and a half is the lowest max for a great handling car due to its former design. This is my reasoning for this option. Personally would bag my wifes 2016 Corolla over my 1989 VW Fox. All about how it works.
Seems like the ones always talking crap is the static hype boyz. Deep down they want to be on air.
Great video but I was looking for the applications for 4x4 builds!
Finally you touched on this! I almost unsubscribed.