I picked up the SE on an open box deal for $499. Immediately put it to work for Homecoming with 11 couples plus group shots. There was never a time I needed full power but it was great being about to move the light back and get the entire group. At the end of the day I still had just under half battery. I was torn between the 400 and the 600 SE, no regrets on my choice. Great light. Great video!
So glad Flashpoint dropped this! I'm a manual 600 guy and really love the update. Never cared for TTL on studio strobes. Plan on replacing my 2nd 600 Manual with it along with my 200 Mark II's
I had not heard all the details on this. Thank you. I bought the Adorama-exclusive 600 Pro Non-TTL two years ago in the November sale and it was an awesome bargain at only a few dollars more than the 600BM at the time. The only drawback was that I did not realize how much more the accessories would cost (1200 adapter, extension heads, etc) than the original versions. But still I got the faster recycle times, etc. for the price of a BM. I've taken care to charge the batteries every six weeks while I've been off for medical leave, but I did have the 400 pro battery go dormant on me after someone else used it and I forgot to charge it. I was able to recover it after hooking it up to a bench charger.
I think the handle on the ad600pro was decent, but they messed with the handle on the ad400pro it was too small/light duty, it would always sag/slip on a large modifier
@@godsakes the 600 is definitely better than the 400 since the washer is larger. But it’s still considered worse than the original 600 at locking its position.
Still love my ad600 pro. Yes, battery is unresponsive when left for too long so i just bring it back to life using my eversmart 1A 12 amp battery charger. Works like a champ 👀🤓
I have used annd loved the AD600BM since it came out. I have never once run out of battery on a shoot, and still havnt noticed any decline in overall battery capacity, quite incredible. I have never thought that the light needed any upgrades. Have never run into a problem on a shoot or in post, that an upgrade to light could fix. 🤷♂️ In fact, i actually like the origianl plate and bulb design which I know got a bit of flack. Hope they keep producing it, as I know one day my beloved 600 will die (maybe beyond repair) and I will have to upgrade 😔😔
So it appears as this is an upgrade to the original AD600BM 👌👌 woohoo and your right Rob, I guess if your using a 600 at events, you may need TTL... but I can't see it being a feature needed on a light of this power. AD200 on the other hand, would be used all the time
Thanks for the sum up! As an owner of 3 original AD600s, with one H1200 dual extension and an H600 extension, I'm curious if it would be worth selling the single AD600 w/H600 to get a more modern flash for everyday use. I'm just hyped that they still are using the original batteries! Means all 5 of mine still have some more life to them =)
Just have to ask yourself do you actually need the interface upgrades? I have never used or needed the on flash controls other than setting the channel. Does it bring anything to the table that you can value above the loss you’ll make on selling second hand and buying new. Then again, can you write off the tax? I usually sit down for five minutes and write a PRO/CON table out on a bit of paper.
I had one battery that absolutely became a paperweight. I tried every method in the book and nothing. I had to buy a new battery from B&H. Totally sucks but I still use my 600Pro 400Pro and the little 200’s. Hey amazing results. But that incidence spooked me (pun intended). So I also invested in Profoto and that system hasn’t let me down yet.
You haven't missed much, I think this is the second or third video I've posted this year. I've been moving more into the video production space, which has involved learning a lot of new skills. On top of that we had another kid in February. Both have been incredibly time consuming, and I'm just not as interested in spending my free time working on videos. Lastly, I feel the photo space has been really stagnant in 2024 from an equipment perspective. Godox released the AD200 Pro II / 600 Pro II but both offer little change in terms of flash specs, so I feel there's no need to test / explain those products. Can be summed up in one sentence. Full color OLED screen, colored group indicators, bicolor modeling lamp. Sony's A9III and it's global shutter was ripe for discussion but that came when I was knee deep in newborn/moving when that was announced. So yeah, just a lot of other priorities in life this year!
@@robhallphoto i understand totally! You right about UA-cam being saturated with photography content, But there is only one Robert Hall. Congratulations on the newborn! I have been lusting after the a9111 and of course the 300 2.8 Gm too.
Not getting a straight answer from Adorama so since the replacement tube is the same as the Flashpoint xplor 600 pro & pro II is this one compatible with the Portable 600ws Extension FlashHead For The XPLOR 600PRO (Bowens Mount)Godox h600p? Great review!
I think going back to the incremental slots for the head angle adjustment was a bad Idea. that is one of the most annoying things about the original not being able to have full control of your angle and smooth feeling adjustments as well. if you tighten down the washer version it holds fine.
I have never understood why the color stable feature on the Pro versions is so needed. Its not as if the non Pro version bounced around in kelvin fluctuation from one pop to the next. There is only a fluctuation over different power settings. But if you are doing critical color work, its unlikely your changing power settings. Your also likely using color checkers in your workflow to fine tune the images. And any modifiers you use on your flashes is going to move the color temperature as well. And for really specific color work, your working to swatch color numbers inside photoshop to match to, and any mismatch is fine tuned here. Ive shot cars, food, clothes... and I've never had a retoucher come back to me and complain my colors or shots were inconsistent 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Saw this on Adorama and was confused about the new version, thanks for clearing things up! Do you know if Flashpoint lights will work with Godox triggers? I want to add two of the 600 SE lights to my mix (they're only $409 apiece for Black Friday!) but would rather not buy yet more triggers. Thanks!
IMHO TTL on these sizes of flashes is nice to have but isn't especially useful, if you have the time to setup a light stand with this flash & softbox that implies you have some control of the situation and you would just meter or dial in as needed. TTL is for run & gun situations, better suited for flashguns stuff you can carry
I can count the number of times I’ve needed TTL on one hand and still have all five fingers left over. But we all vary in our use cases. I used to swear by TTL on my Nikon speedlights, but since going with GODOX OCF and learning the ins and outs of lighting, I have never needed it even once.
I picked up the SE on an open box deal for $499. Immediately put it to work for Homecoming with 11 couples plus group shots. There was never a time I needed full power but it was great being about to move the light back and get the entire group. At the end of the day I still had just under half battery. I was torn between the 400 and the 600 SE, no regrets on my choice.
Great light. Great video!
My original XPLOR600 TTL from 8+ yrs still going strong. Bought them for $399 a piece.
I picked up 3 on the Black Friday sale for $400 each. Coming tomorrow! Can't wait!
I did too. It's a tremendous deal.
So glad Flashpoint dropped this! I'm a manual 600 guy and really love the update. Never cared for TTL on studio strobes. Plan on replacing my 2nd 600 Manual with it along with my 200 Mark II's
I had not heard all the details on this. Thank you.
I bought the Adorama-exclusive 600 Pro Non-TTL two years ago in the November sale and it was an awesome bargain at only a few dollars more than the 600BM at the time. The only drawback was that I did not realize how much more the accessories would cost (1200 adapter, extension heads, etc) than the original versions. But still I got the faster recycle times, etc. for the price of a BM. I've taken care to charge the batteries every six weeks while I've been off for medical leave, but I did have the 400 pro battery go dormant on me after someone else used it and I forgot to charge it. I was able to recover it after hooking it up to a bench charger.
the rachet stand handle is by far the best choice. prevents having to tighten with excessive force to clamp head with heavy modifier 👍👍
Yeah i'm glad they went back to it and wish Godox had addressed the Pro 2 with something similar.
I think the handle on the ad600pro was decent, but they messed with the handle on the ad400pro it was too small/light duty, it would always sag/slip on a large modifier
@@godsakes the 600 is definitely better than the 400 since the washer is larger. But it’s still considered worse than the original 600 at locking its position.
Great comparison!
My original Xplor600 is going strong, but it's good to know there are decent options to choose from if I ever need
Still love my ad600 pro. Yes, battery is unresponsive when left for too long so i just bring it back to life using my eversmart 1A 12 amp battery charger. Works like a champ 👀🤓
Ah the famous 1A 12A charger.
Very good. Thanks
have you found the TCM function to be accurate? Mine is 1 stop under on average
I have used annd loved the AD600BM since it came out. I have never once run out of battery on a shoot, and still havnt noticed any decline in overall battery capacity, quite incredible.
I have never thought that the light needed any upgrades. Have never run into a problem on a shoot or in post, that an upgrade to light could fix.
🤷♂️
In fact, i actually like the origianl plate and bulb design which I know got a bit of flack.
Hope they keep producing it, as I know one day my beloved 600 will die (maybe beyond repair) and I will have to upgrade 😔😔
So it appears as this is an upgrade to the original AD600BM 👌👌 woohoo
and your right Rob, I guess if your using a 600 at events, you may need TTL... but I can't see it being a feature needed on a light of this power. AD200 on the other hand, would be used all the time
@@photo2000 as Rob said, for me? I don't care for TTL, manual is far better.
Thanks for the sum up! As an owner of 3 original AD600s, with one H1200 dual extension and an H600 extension, I'm curious if it would be worth selling the single AD600 w/H600 to get a more modern flash for everyday use. I'm just hyped that they still are using the original batteries! Means all 5 of mine still have some more life to them =)
Just have to ask yourself do you actually need the interface upgrades? I have never used or needed the on flash controls other than setting the channel.
Does it bring anything to the table that you can value above the loss you’ll make on selling second hand and buying new.
Then again, can you write off the tax?
I usually sit down for five minutes and write a PRO/CON table out on a bit of paper.
I have had 2 battery’s quit charging on the ad1200 in 1 year and they are not cheep
You shouldn't have had to pay for them though either. Also, are you aware the AD1200 Pro actually has a battery refresh function?
Within 1 year? Aren’t they covered by warranty?
When you say quit, you mean unresponsive?
Did they discharge completely?
I had one battery that absolutely became a paperweight. I tried every method in the book and nothing. I had to buy a new battery from B&H. Totally sucks but I still use my 600Pro 400Pro and the little 200’s. Hey amazing results. But that incidence spooked me (pun intended). So I also invested in Profoto and that system hasn’t let me down yet.
@@graxxoryes unresponsive
@@rumporridge1 I found out there is a reset button on the ad1200 battery’s
Where have you been? I miss all your videos???!?
You haven't missed much, I think this is the second or third video I've posted this year.
I've been moving more into the video production space, which has involved learning a lot of new skills. On top of that we had another kid in February. Both have been incredibly time consuming, and I'm just not as interested in spending my free time working on videos. Lastly, I feel the photo space has been really stagnant in 2024 from an equipment perspective. Godox released the AD200 Pro II / 600 Pro II but both offer little change in terms of flash specs, so I feel there's no need to test / explain those products. Can be summed up in one sentence. Full color OLED screen, colored group indicators, bicolor modeling lamp. Sony's A9III and it's global shutter was ripe for discussion but that came when I was knee deep in newborn/moving when that was announced.
So yeah, just a lot of other priorities in life this year!
@@robhallphoto i understand totally! You right about UA-cam being saturated with photography content, But there is only one Robert Hall. Congratulations on the newborn! I have been lusting after the a9111 and of course the 300 2.8 Gm too.
Not getting a straight answer from Adorama so since the replacement tube is the same as the Flashpoint xplor 600 pro & pro II is this one compatible with the Portable 600ws Extension FlashHead For The XPLOR 600PRO (Bowens Mount)Godox h600p? Great review!
yes
I love the old AD600Bm which can use H1200B get 2/3 stop light and lower the recycle time and t0.1. Does this new se have new type “H1200B”?
Nope, still the newer bulb design of which there has never been an H1200 dual head for. Probably never happening at this point with the ad1200 out.
Wjat i really, really wanted and would have made this the perfect flash is the hamdle , is there a way that one can be added after?
no handle, and no holes to add one.
@@robhallphoto that is sad
I think going back to the incremental slots for the head angle adjustment was a bad Idea. that is one of the most annoying things about the original not being able to have full control of your angle and smooth feeling adjustments as well. if you tighten down the washer version it holds fine.
I think losing recycle time is a dealbreaker for me, but the UI is nice.
Is this SE version only being released by Flashpoint?? would be disappointing if your not in the US/Canada 😔
Pretty sure it's an exclusive Flashpoint (Adorama) product.
Is the Flashpoint XP600 PRO Portable 600WS Extension Flashhead compatible with this too?
@@RobertHunterPhotography I’ll check and compare the connectors.
Pretty sure the connections are different.
God i've missed you.
I have never understood why the color stable feature on the Pro versions is so needed. Its not as if the non Pro version bounced around in kelvin fluctuation from one pop to the next. There is only a fluctuation over different power settings.
But if you are doing critical color work, its unlikely your changing power settings. Your also likely using color checkers in your workflow to fine tune the images. And any modifiers you use on your flashes is going to move the color temperature as well.
And for really specific color work, your working to swatch color numbers inside photoshop to match to, and any mismatch is fine tuned here.
Ive shot cars, food, clothes... and I've never had a retoucher come back to me and complain my colors or shots were inconsistent 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Doesn’t the color stability mode half the fluctuation from ±200 down to 100?
Some may find that helpful in multilight setups.
@@graxxor +/- 71K on the Pro II
@@RichardServello +- 71K??? So 150K uncertainty? THat's pretty stable.
Does it have freeze mode like the pro mark 2?
No freeze, no color, no adjustable modeling lamp temp. These are basically the caveats.
Saw this on Adorama and was confused about the new version, thanks for clearing things up! Do you know if Flashpoint lights will work with Godox triggers? I want to add two of the 600 SE lights to my mix (they're only $409 apiece for Black Friday!) but would rather not buy yet more triggers. Thanks!
Yes everything Godox X Series / Flashpoint R2 series works together interchangeably.
Shut up and take my money!!!!!!
The omission of TTL is a miss.
IMHO TTL on these sizes of flashes is nice to have but isn't especially useful, if you have the time to setup a light stand with this flash & softbox that implies you have some control of the situation and you would just meter or dial in as needed. TTL is for run & gun situations, better suited for flashguns stuff you can carry
I think this an upgrade for the AD600BM
If you need TTL, the AD600ProII is the model for you
I can count the number of times I’ve needed TTL on one hand and still have all five fingers left over.
But we all vary in our use cases. I used to swear by TTL on my Nikon speedlights, but since going with GODOX OCF and learning the ins and outs of lighting, I have never needed it even once.
@@graxxor you will need it outside unless you use a light meter.
I couldn't care less. I don't trust any auto settings. Takes seconds to just use a light meter and get it right.