Coleco Chameleon Prototype & Kickstarter Update -
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2016
- The Coleco Chameleon prototype appeared at the NY Toy Fair, and some issues have been spotted.
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I love how this video ends with Pat's "..... fuck."
+ChrisDoes TL;DR
indeed , he has lost all words but the one thats a dirty bird XD
WebVMan you are welcome
"Don Quixote is pissing in the wind" is my new favorite mixed metaphor.
Pretty amazing watching this 7 years later. The "development team" wound up eventually showing a clear Jaguar shell with an HICAP50B CCTV capture card inside, and trying to pass it off as their prototype. I love these hindsight videos.
Nothing is as Retro as a SNES inside a Atari Jag lol
+B Mc HAHAHA best post I´ve seen about the Retro vgs =D
+B Mc its the inside that count ;D
+B Mc Having grown up with cartridge games I prefer to play the original game on the original system (nothing compares) but if i'm on the go i got the emulator for PC.
+B Mc LOL this made my day
+krispysback Same here, got my NES, SNES and N64. Also got all those games on my phone emulators with a nice moga bluetooth controller that the phone clips onto for on the go play.
Colec-Colec-Colec-Colec-Coleco Chameleon
Ya come and gooooo, you come and gooOOoo
Holy shit a 33 minute video? What is it my birthday!?! This is awesome!
It is my birthday... I don't have time for this shit right now, lol
+rickyrico80 hahaha happy birthday!
+518ashtray Thanks, it were 35 glorious years, let's hope the 36th is just as much fun.
+518ashtray And yes, I am working my way through the 33 minutes video. Of course I am.
+rickyrico80 Happy Birthday dude ;)
Watching this four years after everything went down with the Coleoco Chameleon. There are a fair amount of similarities between this and the Intellivision Ameco. I think the Ameco is going to eventually ship a working product but not before doing some similar things to the Chameleon, like taking people's money before having a working prototype.
One year later and you’re only becoming more right. At least the Chameleon didn’t stagger on as painfully long as the Amico has so far. At least it died a relatively quick death and Kennedy has for the most part stayed out of the public eye.
I suppose technically amico shipped something to like three people. But I'm not sure that what they got wad much better than a protothpe.
the role playing at the end was worth $180.
+c damm Ha!
+Pat the NES Punk Have you ever done a Live podcast?
+Pat the NES Punk Fuck..... Perfect way to end that video
+Koffy PR ya it's on his site when they do them. B
elieve Thursdays normally.
Ian, it's powered by love.
Hopes and dreams and puppy dog steam
just fucking teared up man, lol
+GeoKaching Johnny And unicorn tears...
+GeoKaching Johnny
Bro, I am not gay, but that beard is sexxxy as fuccccc, man!
***** I'm not gay either, but I am highly flattered!
I remember when people would spend $1500 on a computer in the 90's and end up playing Solitaire all day.
I have only question to this guy...
"Where did you learn to scam?"
be careful guys. You Insult mike and his product he will try to take your video down lmao!
Is Pat your new sponsor?
+ReviewTechUSA You forgot to capitalize the M in Mike.
Don't you owe people money? You're like Kanye West.
Shut up
+ReviewTechUSA Mike just needs to calm down. Maybe call him back in a hour and see if he wants some coffee.
This entire Coleco/Retro VGS saga should be available on its own playlist. Watching all of them in succession for the first time is like watching a horror movie.
It hit me when he showed the pic of the back of the "prototype".
These guys are going nowhere if they're doing shit like this. If you can't even build a prototype for the MOST IMPORTANT PUBLIC SALES PITCH in the USA and just steal something already existing, you're not going to get this out there, LET ALONE make a profit.
This is pathetic. I can barely even type this out.
+hankster112 Sorry to hear, if you were a backer. I simply don't have the money, or I'd probably be caught up backing something that didn't happen.
I'm also too poor to back anything. At first I kinda liked these guys, but after this, I just... wow. This is sad.
hankster112
I agree, I had hope too. Doesn't look like this is gonna go anywhere. We will see what happens in the near future tho, hopefully thru this channel.
Hey Pat and Ian, I hear the Coleco Chameleon guys are looking to provide a VHS mailorder service for podcasts, are you guys gonna take advantage of that?
Pat is that one kid in class who never pay's attention, but somehow knows everything.
I feel like Pat and Ian are going to announce their own retro cart based console soon.
I love those RetroVGS guys, so many lulz for retro forums, I mean, pages and pages of it... They're the gift that keeps on giving, and I've never seen anything quite like it...
I saw this video, made two chicken patties, grabbed a beer, and sat back in the recliner knowing how much enjoyment I was going to get out of this video.
I know it bugs you guys, but I'm getting my money's worth out of this saga. Best video game related story since the Gizmondo.
Then the Amico saga somehow outdid it
I'm calling it now if this gets funded, then in a year they will announce that unexpected difficulties came up the money ran out and they just cant make it and everyone that backed it loses out.
30:02 Scared me while I was driving 😆😆
Love the part where Pat loses his marbles. That's exactly how I felt when people were saying the Ouya was gonna run Skyrim.
The big question is .... Does it play jaguar games?
Karma karma karma, karma chameleon, it comes and goes.....
You can't fool us Ian. That's vodka in a water bottle!
I was looking forward to you discussing this after hearing about it in the comments section of one of your last videos!! :)
Pat's expression at the end was absolutely priceless. That was the ultimate expression of exasperation and despair.
Pats new phone prototype sounds pretty sweet
been waiting for this for ages ! thanks guys
This console gave me the courage to announce my prototype... The Intellivision Radulus! It's basically one of those Leapfrog systems that I cracked open and duct taped the internals from an old junker Wii I had lying around... You can play tons of retro games on my console thanks to the Virtual Console! I hot glued a small red LED that constantly blinks, regardless of whether the console is powered on or not... Figured the console could use some flair!
Thanks so much for doing this video! You guys rock.
Thanks for helping bring attention to this.
this is why I've lost respect for Gamester81, he's supporting this BS.
you haven't been paying attention have you?xpcoin
Because his company is releasing a game on it
+Zito773 Ditto. He backed the wrong horse.
+RetroGemCollector same here
+Zito773 Nah, it's cool stuff anyways. I haven't bought any of the games, but it's cool that it's out there and shows that people do appreciate new games on older systems. If I had the extra money, I probably would. There's an appreciation for the older consoles, my question is, why buy these newer ones?
holy shit man I love this channel lol. this was my favorite episode so far. Playeressence links your videos a lot but I never really got into them until recently. now I hardly miss an episode. keep up the good work fam.
I have to say that I was one of the buffoons who were blindly going to support this system out of hopes and dreams BEFORE hearing all of this evidence that you graciously provided that I had never thought about before. So thank you for that!
So you guys mentioned that the AV out definitely looks like the SNES, N64, GC AV cable. Can we confirm that the power brick is the same? It certainly looks familiar to mine without further review of mine. I must say when I saw the picture on Facebook, I was shocked that a system supposedly coming out in 2017-2018 would have a huge power brick from the early 90s!
I've been amazed of how detail oriented you guys are that you can pin point that it was a SNES cartridge connector among many other details. Minute details that the average consumer would not notice, but one thing that Mike forgot is that gamers KNOW their hobby damn well and you guys sniffed them out. Job well done! Love the podcast!
There's something very familiar about all this.
"Oh, I miss a cartridge system..."
Hmmmm... like the 3DS? =p
I understand what you're getting at but technologically a 3ds cart is much closer to an SD card than a SNES cart.
Yes, but it should be enough to satisfy the need for a "not-CD" physical released game.
+Matthew Yates and an SD card is fast enough that there is hardly any loading time.
I still say a cartridge-based console could work.
Put flash-based storage or an SSD in there, put an Internet connection on there for patches, curate the content.
Alaeriia Yeah they don't write on disks, the patches still come in for the game on a separate hard drive. The problem with patches is simply the frequency and how long you have to wait for them. Most consoles can get around that by allowing you to control what patches come through automatically.
"unless you're some collector of plastic that needs it" Actually I am a collector of dust, the plastic just makes a good display stand.
i would not mind if you had your full podcast live on youtube...i love watching you guys and expressions talking about stuff , everything is very well researched ......i have been a fan for a long time thanks for rocking it !!!!!
.....Ian needs a show!!! of some sort ..even if its just Ian ranting about things ...i would watch that for sure
So a guy took a Super Nintendo mini board, stuffed it in an Atari Jaguar, wrapped up the back with electrical tape, and called it a "prototype." THIS IS A FUCKING HACK! WHY ARE PEOPLE GIVING HIM MONEY?!
This story is great, ive listened to all the parts like 3 times
What shocked me about this is how easy it would have conceivably been to take apart and place the gizzards from the Super Nintendo and put it in the Jaguar shell. If you would really want to dress it, you could do it
Mike's going to call you bad names again :-)
+goldenretrogames drunk on water!
+Leo DS But when you fool people you need to admit it.
That test cartridge is definitely a SNES SD card or similar multicart. Just check the connector placement in this official presentation "COLECO CHAMELEON - NY TOY FAIR UPDATE CLIPS" at 0:10. The connector pins are quite clearly extended SNES cart connector configuration. Either their engineer was just in love with the SNES components and ripped a pin connector from a SNES to put into the prototype or it's just a SNES pcb in a Jag shell.
If i shove a raspberry pi in a jaguar case can i charge 130 bucks for it?
+William G If I shove a Jaguar in a Jaguar case can I charge 130 bucks for it?
If I shove an aircraft carrier in an original Xbox case, would there still be room left over for the system boards and the entire observable universe?
man i was waiting for this!!!
Pat, your "F" bomb at the end of the video, priceless.
proud to see you staying hydrated Ian! :)
+Richard I do not know if it was my comment that changed you always having an IPA on hand,but i hope so.
Remember the Scan-It console? No? This will probably end up like that - forgotten and unwanted.
I've been looking forward to this discussion. :)
One thing that gets missed here is the FPGA part of all this. For reference, the instance I can find of implementing an NES in an fpga was on an obsolete spartan3-1000, a 17k logic cell device. The closest match for that in current devices would be a spartan6-lx25 (24k logic cells, maybe it could be crammed into the lx16 but that is a moot point) - this is a $50 part. Bulk pricing might get the cost down a bit, but FPGAs are not really intended for mass production devices. That's just the price for the FPGA, there's a lot of support hardware required that adds to the cost. How many people are realistically going to spend $200-300 (if not more) on an sorta-emulated NES?
That was just for the *NES*, the SNES is probably an order of magnitude more complex. Even more recent hardware probably wouldn't even fit into the top of the line virtex-7 2000T, a $20k device.
Just thought a slightly more technical nail might help burst this balloon.
Why does Ian use a Playstation EyeToy as his camera?
What a complete bonkers story, can't see this being a smooth ride for the people that back this on Kickstarter.
I was a little peeved at you guys last time, but after this sham, I feel like a fool. You guys saw this coming a mile away. The ending was spot on too. Thousands of used games/ consoles that could use a good home, and people are willing to spend double the amount on crap.
I still want my Dreamcast II though. It's called Project Dream, they have made contact with Sega.
That went well.
"Drinking water this time"
Pat: "wtf.."
They announced yesterday on their Facebook that the Kickstarter campaign has been delayed.
Somehow I'm not shocked, after all the backlash they got and deserve.
Do you guys remember when UA-cam videos were limited to 10 mins long? (sorry I know that's a bit random but it just came to me)
Non widescreen 240p 10 minute long UA-cam poops yeah I remember those (help me!)
+mario64remix Oh man that takes me back
+Samuel Coe I enjoy longer videos, less ads and I have to figure out what to watch next less.
+Samuel Coe I do, and now I feel old. Thanks a lot man! :'(
+Samuel Coe I remember when you could download shitposts (not insinuating this one is :P) and actually hide them. They might as well remove the thumbs down button at this point.
You can see the extra space pins for the special chips like the FX chip on the edge connector,
I'd buy an XBOX One before this. That's how bad I don't want it.
+unforgiven The Xbox One is an amazing console...outselling the Wii U as well..
and nobody cared...
+JohnnyDaBird I agree...it doesn't matter what the guy would prefer...
+unforgiven LOL
+The Nostalgia Factor It actually sucks. The graphics are awful, and sub 1080p is unacceptable. I'll stick with 4k 60fps on my PC. The only reason I have an Xbox One at all is because Microsoft is to stupid to release Halo on PC.
The "fuck" at the end says it all..
Sounds like a chinese bootleg of a SNES at this point.
+TheDeliciousMystery At least in a Chinese bootleg they pack like 500 or even 76000 "games" into one of their "consoles".
I like how youtube tagged this vid with the Prototype game, because they said prototype over and over.
I fully 100% understand the desire to see new games developed in the old 8-bit and 16-bit style of yesteryear, but it's not the 80's anymore -- you don't actually need a new console for that. People should be petitioning game developers to make the types of games they want to see, not some fancy unnecessary hardware. Whenever I go to conventions, I always come across some vendors who have made custom old-school consoles that look really really pretty, and that's cool, but those things sell on the spot to a very specific type of gamer and are not something that needs to be mass-produced or get new developers on board in order for them to be viable. You guys are totally right -- this is purely a novelty item, nothing more.
Stay till the end to see Pat go insane!
the don quixote remark was gold
whoa! 33 minute episode! nice!
why arent the full videos of the podcast on youtube, Pat? I love watching you guys
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I am upset at the possibility of the prototype not being genuine but been excited about the project and hope that they can deliver cause it's something that I would love to own.
I guess the only thing we can do is wait for the Kickstarter to launch and see if they can surprise us.
This entire video is sweet sweet rational music.
This is hysterically funny, incredibly sad, and scary in the extreme.
Ra-ra-ing is sincerely my new favorite verb.
I guess no-one noticed the fact that they did call it a "Chameleon." :)
I love that this continues to be a thing. Such a wonderful clusterfuck.
what's up guys . love the podcast it's very informational and you talk about important subjects , especially to me considering I'm very new to NES collecting ( only about a month ). I just finished watching the toy Fair coleco chameleon video and was very excited about a new cartridge system. I went to your guys channel to see what your opinion on it was and after watching this video I am saddened to hear its all smoke and mirrors so far, but am happy you saved me a poor investment . I appreciate the time and research you guys put into your vids and the knowledge you share is priceless.
P.S.-- 17 NES games and counting !!
thanks for saving me both time and money pat lol. "coleco" is a real piece of work these days...
It's clear this team is incapable of producing any kind of product on their own. Like you have said they just have the tooling for a Jaguar shell and that's it. They can't design a board, controller or even a power button on their own. Basically the kickstarter is so they can hire people to design, build and manufacture the product for them without actually bring anything to the table themselves.
Normally when someone has a kickstarter project they are capable of creating at least one aspect of said project. I can't wrap my head around this one.
in hindsight how do you feel about your comment lol
Man Pat isn't wearing that old Plantronics headset anymore! I thought it was just me and him with the last two left! :P
Quite the triple threat. Ya got your Coleco, Jaguar, and SNES all in one!
Hey guys, I totally respect what you do.
I am a level headed guy who likes retro.
Here is what I like/d about the 'concept'.
My family has had it's share of artist and people who create (engineers).
So, I've just got a decent level of respect for works and their creations.
So, i'm not big on Piracy. Not that I don't agree if something is abandoned, it's fair game, thats for sure. Emuparadise or other sites, I find them quite legit.
For me, what COULD have been/COULD be a big thing is if the machine were to have FPGA cores developed for classic arcade boards. Then you pull in the IP owners of classic arcade machines and get an agreement to publish THE EXACT CLASSIC ROM on a Cartridge, ON THIS SYSTEM.
Now, I can buy a legitimate copy of the real arcade game that will work perfect and look wonderful on my TV.
Eliminating any latency/control issues that do crop up in emulation from time to time.
Let me play arcade perfect arcade games and i'll bite. That's collectible to me. If I can do that as opposed to collecting the arcade boards and praying i can get it working, WONDERFUL.
I DO totally understand that this variation on the concept was not discussed (it sounds a bit like FPGA Arcade, and sure, yeah, but, no money backing that has led to little for it).
I had a couple of emails back and forth with their scapegoat, and it seems that idea made him smile a bit, but, again, I see Kennedy never seems to have figured it out. If the cores are proofed, the code is out there, those carts could be ready in months.
That is the only thing that draws me to it. I totally have a RetroFreak and a Retron 5 before it. That saves me space, lets me play imports easy etc.
Hopefully the Arcade Hardware project from NG:DevTeam can fill in some if this COMPLETELY FAILS, which seems like it's destiny in one way or another.
Coleco Chameleon: the Turducken of retro gaming.
Man, I should try something this genius! I'll make a Universal Console that plays every game ever made, and I'll do it by ripping the guts out of them, stuffing them in a big cardboard box with appropriately cut out holes, then just electrical tape it together and write meme phrases all over it.
....actually make that masking tape, first prototype probably won't catch fire prior to the summary judgment in the following lawsuit
those controllers unless hard wired require USB right?
You guys fuckin nailed it 👌🏻👌🏻👏🏻
I agree regarding : WHAT'S THE POINT OF OWNING THIS?
I legit laughed out loud at the Retro VGS's facebook comments @29:49, read with a "Oh gosh, golly" voice :
"Oh hell yes! Nothing like retro goodness! I miss games like this. Glad to see the Chameleon is bringing them back! Would love to see stuff from Konami, Jaleco, etc".
Pat flips out, points in the general direction of shelves full of hundreds of NES games
" *THIS* IS THE STUFF FROM KONAMI AND JALECO!! IT'S RIGHT *HERE*!!!"
haha, that was fucking hilarious
.... love Pat's ending. shout outs to atari age
Damn Pat is the interrupting king lol.
Pats jaw movement makes him look gacked out lol
This has nothing to do with the video, but I see Pat's close to 200k. subscribers,
Are you trying to dominate the youtube realm Mr.Punk?
He's drinking water this time. Dammit man where's ur beer? lol
- "If you can't prove, you can't prove it!"
Ian, 2016.
Why even use composite, most games enthusiasts back in the day in Japan and Europe were using RGB on a CRT to get better image quality... to see the sprites as they looked when drawn by the artist.
Composite just adds dot-crawl and a whole host of other issues to the image!
I think that the statement "What the fucks the point" summed it all up nicely. However the whole has gotten me curious about fpga's!
Wow! interesting discussion!
+BfDelano Granted alot of it has gotten out of hand, what Pat and Ian say is true. I was blinded to the situation trying to support a friend. I only wish I had really listened to Pat early on, it would have saved me from the problems I now have. Please understand I have no ill will towards Pat or Ian, they are doing concise videos on the subject which I dont believe needs a thumbs down. I appreciate all the support I have gotten from my viewers.
I was readin on facebook today and someone asked about colecovsion support for cartridges and they pretty much said nah
so i dont understand why this thing has coleco on it
thats what i figured. kinda pandering aint it.
This dude needs to drop it. Congratulations, you can afford to buy the Coleco Branding and Jaguar shells and make pictures of them in many colours. Now, where's the actual working console? Stop beating a dead horse.
Pat & Ian just got back from their B-52 mission dropping some radical truth bombs on the Coleco Chameleon! This project is the Fine Bros of the gaming industry. New hash tag #chameleonbros
This is better than the soaps.
"You are putting money in the pockets of people who dont a shit about you." - Truth be told, thats pretty much a description of most large corporations and what its like to buy their goods. You make it seem like its not a rare and wonderful thing when you find a company that legitimately cares about their customer base.