@@borkug1566 I wouldn't say Jonathan Winters content is basic, and I also wouldn't say A1 is a much better PVP pilot, he may be better, but it's not a huge margin in this flight model. That's subjective. Winters is a good guy.
@@maze3020 A good guy who rushes to spawn kill players in BR and runs 5 km away every single time his shield is down - ruining the fight for the opponent. Sorry if I'm not impressed.
@@borkug1566 Aone does exactly the same lol, every time his shields are done he bails out ant warp 9 😆 Why you think he released a video about why being the better isnt important or always winning isn't that important? Did you saw his first JT try? They got wanked hard 😆 I would say AO is some kind of the Growling Sidewinder of Star Citizen, a god among newbies but not even considered on the Elite of DCS, tou AO skills are higher than GS skills on their respective universes, with AO being inside the elite while GS is gapped hard Yeah i know, DCS is a lot more complex and hard so the skill gaps among PVPers vs youtubers would be huge when compared with SC more basic fight mechanics, so yeah, AO would be a lot closer to the elite than GS is in DCS since the skill curve is a more flat one But the analogy is basically the same, he is the TV star, but not the only nor the brightest star out there
My pleasure, thanks for the shoutout again. You'll love the next combat tut, got some spicey stuff coming out! On the PiP I prefer Lead for explaining things but I use both. And yes ESP works on lag. Also I told someone I would give you a kiss for the shoutout sooooo =*
Mouse and Keyboard has extreme advantages now and has always people were just bad. Jonathan Winters combat tutorials are the best most people are just ripping him off.
The top pilot uses dual joystick with pedals (Lily Valkerie - she has won many tournaments including the recent 1v1 tournament where she never lost 1 round). That said many great pilots use kb and m. It seems that input method is not the decider as any method allows for the pilot to excel.
I played kb&m for years, then went to x56, and more recently to dual virpils with pedals. It's a game changer. I saw this video and checked it out as I was dialing in the virpil controls and it made it much smoother - might see if I can take it a step further and swap the cams out next
ESP is a double edged sword. How do I feel about it? Off... turn it off. You are far better off practicing and mastering your aim without ESP than with it and I'll try elaborate as well as he explained the mechanic. ESP essentially tells the game to lower your mouse sensitivity when your cursor is within a certain range of your target. It "magnetizes" to it. It might sound nice but without practice this is just going to really throw off your handling. You will naturally become more precise over time and when you do you will have to come back and adjust this ESP to match. You only have so much space on the mousepad and the last thing you want is an inconsistent relationship between the movement of your hand how much that moves your cursor. You are far better off, in my opinion, practicing and getting used to aiming without it than with it. The most important thing is finding the overall mouse sensitively that you are comfortable with. If the sensitivity is slower then you'll want to be comfortably your arm. If the sensitivity is faster then you'll want to be comfortable making adjustments with your fingers. Neither is superior. But consistency is king. Oh but if you're using a joystick then go for it.
Stuff like this is what Vanduul swarm is useful for, to dial it in. You can just focus on aim and pause when you want to make an adjustment. Basically it's a similar process to adjusting your mouse sensitivity in FPS games. Once you have something that feels pretty good, just leave it at that setting and keep playing with it to develop the muscle memory. Don't go back and forth trying to dial it in every session. Also he said you want to keep the settings as low as possible because to much sensitivity or too big a ring slows the pip down as you approach your aiming point. If the settings are too high you have to make a big adjustment to pull on target and it both slows down how fast you can shoot and might make you jerk and be inaccurate. Ideally you want the settings as close to 1:1 as you can get them and still get some benefit from the sensitivity.
Arena Commander is such an under-appreciated utility for ship flying practice and control binding tests. Even if you're a mouse & keyboard purists there are settings you want to drill down and AC is the best place to get that done. More complicated set ups, such as dual sticks and pedals will of course require practice anyway as well as setting changes to allow you to feel more responsive. You can't hit a target if you can't keep them in view. The ESP Off/On toggle is pretty mandatory for space combat sessions, I don't know why it's not more popular or well known. I do know people who turn it off and keep it off as they're away of their flight inputs. I don't know if they're crazy or just crazy good.
As soon as he starts talking, you talk over him. Then "let's rewind, this is important". As soon as he starts talking, you talk over him :) I'm going to have to pull up the original video next to this so I can watch the sections without interruption Looks like a great concept to understand and dial in though
Mouse is better for tracking pips, HOSAS is better for all other flight and positioning. The best blend is HOSAM with the weird virtual joystick thing off, just normal FPS input. I forget if that's relative input on or off, but the one without the janky line between heading and mouse position.
My biggest problem with this mechanic is how it slows down when coming into the target. I want to get on target as fast as possible and THEN have this assist help me better control staying there!
Grrrrrrrr…. Dammit…. To hell with aim… can’t maneuver anymore. By the time you get into attack position you’ve taken 2/3 of your ship health worth of damage.
You should reverse. Or Roll and Pitch more, those are the two fastest methods of changing directions quickly. Don't forget your lateral and vertical thrusters can also make a difference. Yaw is a waste of time for most reasons as it's just too slow in most ships. Personally I like practicing on the solo free flight broken moon map and just spinning my ship around one of the platforms, the more stable I can spin around and still maintain the same distance the more I know I'm improving. Once you can spin an arrow around the sphere section without crashing is when you can start mixing it up with barrel roll reverse spins and the like. The patterns you can make with experience is weird! Combat speed is key, not too fast but fast enough to be able to evade and counter their actions so you maintain your target of their top or bottom of their ship. Seeing their ship side or face on is going to be pointless as the profile is too small. Pretend your fighting a space pizza, you want to maintain being on top or underneath to see more of the landscape so you can hit it. This requires your nose to be pointing up or down to the ship and moving lateral, vertically, forward and reverse to maintain that profile view. If you can fly with a second or third person you will easily understand the ship flight mechanics of what is going on, especially in ship combat. It can also be a purely defensive measure in an under-armed ship. You can call friends to assist, or wait till they get bored. In the Universe, even appearing to be competent in these manoeuvres can see people leave relatively quickly. Some people leave, those that didn't want a fight anyway.
@@sidrat2009 uhhh… thanks that’s a lot of effort lol buuuuut, I’m a veteran at this. I’ve been playing since 2013… goin on 10 yrs. I know what your saying and it’s all true except as of the current iteration of the flight model there’s a massive disparity between most ships maneuverability. Most players are gonna dogfight in a Sabre, arrow, buccaneer, gladius or hornet in some cases. It used to be that a cutlass or vanguard… even an connie etc… could stay in the fight against single seat craft but they’ve nerfed our ships maneuvering capability so awfully, it’s useless to even dogfight any of those ships. Multi crew can do ok in a few cases. I’ve seen hammerheads fair decently with skilled and cooperative crew sometimes Connies. But there is this huge margin in between where any other ship outside these classes can’t even fly defensively or even evade. We need some kind of defensive capability built in or go back to the good ol days of breakneck speeds and cornering without our ships permanently locked into this ridiculous permanent CONSTAB flight mode. There just gonna slow us down even more in the coming patches, grrrrrrr lol.
3.17.2 6 months ago. We're still on that version. I mean... +0.0.3 I guess but still. Two enormously delayed patches. It hurts, man! Been hurting for years. Hoping they apply some water to these burns in coming patches. As always there's so much promising stuff on roadmaps and monthly reports... sadly that can't our hopium as it has always been that way and it didn't change shit about patches.
Watched his original video a few times yesterday. The timing was great as I just received my Omni adapter and upgraded EVO bases for my VKB's and had some free time to try and dial in new settings.
You want to know what's annoying? Listening to one guy I need to pay attention to.. being talked over by a guy telling me that what I'm seeing is what I'm seeing...
personally fighting against a Joystick user has always been rough because they have 1000% control over their ship.... but after 2.6.3 I feel they are the top being a KB& M player.
I use mouse and keyboard because I can’t afford a joystick setup 🤣 I feel the joystick setup is such a cool immersion aspect though. But I be owning with with my mouse and keyboard
The way i always look at it is HOSAS has superior advantage of movement control therefore it is superior at controlling the fight . Mouse and keyboard has superior guns on pip accuracy. That is it's advantage . And HOTAS gives up the advantage of both . HOTAS fans will argue this and say they have a thumb analogue or something like that which gives them the same true 6 degrees of analog as well . Which it does give the same 6 degrees but only as accurate as say a controller . Even the keyboard could argue it has 6 degree of movement but that doesn't mean it has the same level of control . The HOTAS set up gives up the guns on pip advantage of mouse and gives up the full range of flight control of the HOSAS. I think anyone can be top tier with any set up if they use it enough but that's just the way it is regardless .
is this for mouse and keyboard? No wonder people are too good. They go so deep into it. kinda of drag really. When you just want to jump in a play. Now you have to do all this work. Just to set it up. It like a job.
what i want to know how to do is disable this so that the game work with a controller , as SC will never be a triple a game company using this aiming matrix
This game is infuriating! You have to learn EVERYTHING through hit or miss UA-cam videos or through global chat and hope someone will take the time to hold your hand. Ex. I needed to learn how to shoot. Bought a rifle bit had to fly 32m kms to get an optic. Ended up with a criminal record because I couldn't find the circle chevron and now I'm a felon for trespassing. It is waaaay to easy to get killed, arrested or fined for things when you don't even know why... and way to difficult to learn.
yea too bad they just keep making ships for us to buy instead of making one fully functioning feature in the game nothing works cant even log into the game you spend more time fixing the game then playing every hour or two it will crash and as of right now cant even log into it without 30009 error and once your actually get in there is NOTHING you can do except fly around in empty space. you cannot land anywhere cause half the time your ship will turn upside down and you cant fight npcs because they glitch out an insta kill you whil not looking at you so there is no fighting npcs you cant land your ship anywhere half the time and also you cant even get objective tracker to work for the first 20 mins but they have new ships rolling out constantly for you to buy.
So close to the tree you can’t see the forest Mike. I’m not impressed with things added to arena commander disguised as data analytics and information gathering. Almost in May of 2024 and we’re taking about Saving 3.23… at this rate we will all be dead by the time beta releases.
You can still learn how to fly your ship without those aids and be awesome at it. Its all skill. Its a game system and not a ship system. Its an aim assist.
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This youtuber its so underrated, people just talk about AO, but this guy is talking about the fine details of PVP, the ones that gives you the edge
Lol this guy has nothing on AvengerOne. His PvP content is quite basic. And AvengerOne is also a much better PvP pilot.
@@borkug1566 I wouldn't say Jonathan Winters content is basic, and I also wouldn't say A1 is a much better PVP pilot, he may be better, but it's not a huge margin in this flight model. That's subjective. Winters is a good guy.
@@maze3020 A good guy who rushes to spawn kill players in BR and runs 5 km away every single time his shield is down - ruining the fight for the opponent. Sorry if I'm not impressed.
@@borkug1566 I've NEVER ran in BR rofllllllllllllllllll I get my shields back in your face. Post video proof or get out.
@@borkug1566 Aone does exactly the same lol, every time his shields are done he bails out ant warp 9 😆
Why you think he released a video about why being the better isnt important or always winning isn't that important? Did you saw his first JT try? They got wanked hard 😆
I would say AO is some kind of the Growling Sidewinder of Star Citizen, a god among newbies but not even considered on the Elite of DCS, tou AO skills are higher than GS skills on their respective universes, with AO being inside the elite while GS is gapped hard
Yeah i know, DCS is a lot more complex and hard so the skill gaps among PVPers vs youtubers would be huge when compared with SC more basic fight mechanics, so yeah, AO would be a lot closer to the elite than GS is in DCS since the skill curve is a more flat one
But the analogy is basically the same, he is the TV star, but not the only nor the brightest star out there
My pleasure, thanks for the shoutout again. You'll love the next combat tut, got some spicey stuff coming out! On the PiP I prefer Lead for explaining things but I use both. And yes ESP works on lag.
Also I told someone I would give you a kiss for the shoutout sooooo =*
Muah!
you are both great, thank you so much for what you do to SC community!
Could you talk about why or when you choose to switch between lead and lag pip?
@@hoodlumX25 It's 100% prefrence, use what feels best to you.
Mouse and Keyboard has extreme advantages now and has always people were just bad. Jonathan Winters combat tutorials are the best most people are just ripping him off.
ESP drives me crazy... One of the first things I turn off in the settings each patch.
so it's essentially reticle magnetism.
The top pilot uses dual joystick with pedals (Lily Valkerie - she has won many tournaments including the recent 1v1 tournament where she never lost 1 round).
That said many great pilots use kb and m. It seems that input method is not the decider as any method allows for the pilot to excel.
I still have nightmares about those fights
Lily Valkerie is a beast
Is she streaming ?
Lily is a dude.
@@NicoValby naive dude thinking a girl can be top dog in video games :DDD
I played kb&m for years, then went to x56, and more recently to dual virpils with pedals. It's a game changer. I saw this video and checked it out as I was dialing in the virpil controls and it made it much smoother - might see if I can take it a step further and swap the cams out next
Not that I plan on doing a lot of dogfighting in my BMM, but this information is always good to have and practice
ESP is a double edged sword. How do I feel about it? Off... turn it off. You are far better off practicing and mastering your aim without ESP than with it and I'll try elaborate as well as he explained the mechanic.
ESP essentially tells the game to lower your mouse sensitivity when your cursor is within a certain range of your target. It "magnetizes" to it. It might sound nice but without practice this is just going to really throw off your handling. You will naturally become more precise over time and when you do you will have to come back and adjust this ESP to match. You only have so much space on the mousepad and the last thing you want is an inconsistent relationship between the movement of your hand how much that moves your cursor. You are far better off, in my opinion, practicing and getting used to aiming without it than with it. The most important thing is finding the overall mouse sensitively that you are comfortable with. If the sensitivity is slower then you'll want to be comfortably your arm. If the sensitivity is faster then you'll want to be comfortable making adjustments with your fingers. Neither is superior. But consistency is king.
Oh but if you're using a joystick then go for it.
ESP stands for enhanced stick precision, of course you wouldn't use it for mouse. Is it even enabled for mouse?
@@gigantoad3261 Yes, yes it is
@@supasneaks I see, interesting.
So use only relative mode with adapted curves? Be ause on 1:1 relative is slow, at least when target approaches you..any settings on that?..2.50..?
Turned it off and wow, what a game changer for me. It's a bit jumpy for me
but I can land way more shots, especially using lag pip.
Stuff like this is what Vanduul swarm is useful for, to dial it in. You can just focus on aim and pause when you want to make an adjustment. Basically it's a similar process to adjusting your mouse sensitivity in FPS games. Once you have something that feels pretty good, just leave it at that setting and keep playing with it to develop the muscle memory. Don't go back and forth trying to dial it in every session. Also he said you want to keep the settings as low as possible because to much sensitivity or too big a ring slows the pip down as you approach your aiming point. If the settings are too high you have to make a big adjustment to pull on target and it both slows down how fast you can shoot and might make you jerk and be inaccurate. Ideally you want the settings as close to 1:1 as you can get them and still get some benefit from the sensitivity.
Arena Commander is such an under-appreciated utility for ship flying practice and control binding tests.
Even if you're a mouse & keyboard purists there are settings you want to drill down and AC is the best place to get that done.
More complicated set ups, such as dual sticks and pedals will of course require practice anyway as well as setting changes to allow you to feel more responsive. You can't hit a target if you can't keep them in view.
The ESP Off/On toggle is pretty mandatory for space combat sessions, I don't know why it's not more popular or well known. I do know people who turn it off and keep it off as they're away of their flight inputs. I don't know if they're crazy or just crazy good.
As a new player I started with a stick but thinking of switching to mouse and keyboard because it feels more responsive then stick
Avenger_1 has. Some excellent ship combat tutorials
As soon as he starts talking, you talk over him. Then "let's rewind, this is important". As soon as he starts talking, you talk over him :)
I'm going to have to pull up the original video next to this so I can watch the sections without interruption
Looks like a great concept to understand and dial in though
I often will rewatch the original also (or at least play it in the background) partially to give that creator a view also.
Winters makes a lot of sense for sure
Worth noting that whereas Winters mentions the goal is to get as close to 1 as possible, A1 has his degrees actually set to the highest number of 20.
Mouse is better for tracking pips, HOSAS is better for all other flight and positioning. The best blend is HOSAM with the weird virtual joystick thing off, just normal FPS input. I forget if that's relative input on or off, but the one without the janky line between heading and mouse position.
My biggest problem with this mechanic is how it slows down when coming into the target. I want to get on target as fast as possible and THEN have this assist help me better control staying there!
I believe that's why Johnathan Winters (OP) suggested mapping a button to toggle ESP on/off
Put Esp on same button as shooting
Grrrrrrrr…. Dammit…. To hell with aim… can’t maneuver anymore. By the time you get into attack position you’ve taken 2/3 of your ship health worth of damage.
You should reverse. Or Roll and Pitch more, those are the two fastest methods of changing directions quickly. Don't forget your lateral and vertical thrusters can also make a difference.
Yaw is a waste of time for most reasons as it's just too slow in most ships.
Personally I like practicing on the solo free flight broken moon map and just spinning my ship around one of the platforms, the more stable I can spin around and still maintain the same distance the more I know I'm improving.
Once you can spin an arrow around the sphere section without crashing is when you can start mixing it up with barrel roll reverse spins and the like. The patterns you can make with experience is weird! Combat speed is key, not too fast but fast enough to be able to evade and counter their actions so you maintain your target of their top or bottom of their ship. Seeing their ship side or face on is going to be pointless as the profile is too small.
Pretend your fighting a space pizza, you want to maintain being on top or underneath to see more of the landscape so you can hit it. This requires your nose to be pointing up or down to the ship and moving lateral, vertically, forward and reverse to maintain that profile view.
If you can fly with a second or third person you will easily understand the ship flight mechanics of what is going on, especially in ship combat. It can also be a purely defensive measure in an under-armed ship. You can call friends to assist, or wait till they get bored.
In the Universe, even appearing to be competent in these manoeuvres can see people leave relatively quickly. Some people leave, those that didn't want a fight anyway.
@@sidrat2009 uhhh… thanks that’s a lot of effort lol buuuuut, I’m a veteran at this. I’ve been playing since 2013… goin on 10 yrs. I know what your saying and it’s all true except as of the current iteration of the flight model there’s a massive disparity between most ships maneuverability. Most players are gonna dogfight in a Sabre, arrow, buccaneer, gladius or hornet in some cases. It used to be that a cutlass or vanguard… even an connie etc… could stay in the fight against single seat craft but they’ve nerfed our ships maneuvering capability so awfully, it’s useless to even dogfight any of those ships. Multi crew can do ok in a few cases. I’ve seen hammerheads fair decently with skilled and cooperative crew sometimes Connies. But there is this huge margin in between where any other ship outside these classes can’t even fly defensively or even evade. We need some kind of defensive capability built in or go back to the good ol days of breakneck speeds and cornering without our ships permanently locked into this ridiculous permanent CONSTAB flight mode. There just gonna slow us down even more in the coming patches, grrrrrrr lol.
You look like basically homeless but Basically Starless
3.17.2
6 months ago. We're still on that version. I mean... +0.0.3 I guess but still. Two enormously delayed patches. It hurts, man! Been hurting for years. Hoping they apply some water to these burns in coming patches. As always there's so much promising stuff on roadmaps and monthly reports... sadly that can't our hopium as it has always been that way and it didn't change shit about patches.
Watched his original video a few times yesterday. The timing was great as I just received my Omni adapter and upgraded EVO bases for my VKB's and had some free time to try and dial in new settings.
yay Johnathan Winters content wooooo
As a non combat guy, this has to help with searching for minables and 2% scanning as well! Heading in..........
I fly mouse and keyboard and I prefer it over Joystick input due to the precision I have.
I just get the best of both worlds with a hosam
Man I saw this last week this guy literally fixed my pip from going all over the place which I been dealing with since the start of 3.0
Snap damn never new this my battered harbinger thanks you
So basically this guy has taught us CIG puts the fixes in the game, but unless you fiddle with it you will always suck and not know it.
You want to know what's annoying?
Listening to one guy I need to pay attention to.. being talked over by a guy telling me that what I'm seeing is what I'm seeing...
Confused here. Is this for joystick only?
Great video. Makes me want to get back into combat. Haven't been playing much since last patch.
Is this only for joysticks or for Kb & M too?
personally fighting against a Joystick user has always been rough because they have 1000% control over their ship.... but after 2.6.3 I feel they are the top being a KB& M player.
I use mouse and keyboard because I can’t afford a joystick setup 🤣 I feel the joystick setup is such a cool immersion aspect though. But I be owning with with my mouse and keyboard
The way i always look at it is HOSAS has superior advantage of movement control therefore it is superior at controlling the fight .
Mouse and keyboard has superior guns on pip accuracy. That is it's advantage .
And HOTAS gives up the advantage of both . HOTAS fans will argue this and say they have a thumb analogue or something like that which gives them the same true 6 degrees of analog as well . Which it does give the same 6 degrees but only as accurate as say a controller . Even the keyboard could argue it has 6 degree of movement but that doesn't mean it has the same level of control . The HOTAS set up gives up the guns on pip advantage of mouse and gives up the full range of flight control of the HOSAS.
I think anyone can be top tier with any set up if they use it enough but that's just the way it is regardless .
Hosas has no advantage. Keep downing that copium bud.
is this for mouse and keyboard? No wonder people are too good. They go so deep into it. kinda of drag really. When you just want to jump in a play. Now you have to do all this work. Just to set it up. It like a job.
Will this work for the ares? Lol
what i want to know how to do is disable this so that the game work with a controller , as SC will never be a triple a game company using this aiming matrix
This game is infuriating!
You have to learn EVERYTHING through hit or miss UA-cam videos or through global chat and hope someone will take the time to hold your hand.
Ex. I needed to learn how to shoot. Bought a rifle bit had to fly 32m kms to get an optic. Ended up with a criminal record because I couldn't find the circle chevron and now I'm a felon for trespassing.
It is waaaay to easy to get killed, arrested or fined for things when you don't even know why... and way to difficult to learn.
I'll go and watch JW then!!!!
yea too bad they just keep making ships for us to buy instead of making one fully functioning feature in the game nothing works cant even log into the game you spend more time fixing the game then playing
every hour or two it will crash and as of right now cant even log into it without 30009 error and once your actually get in there is NOTHING you can do except fly around in empty space. you cannot land anywhere cause half the time your ship will turn upside down and you cant fight npcs because they glitch out an insta kill you whil not looking at you so there is no fighting npcs you cant land your ship anywhere half the time and also you cant even get objective tracker to work for the first 20 mins but they have new ships rolling out constantly for you to buy.
You listened to my comment!!!
So close to the tree you can’t see the forest Mike. I’m not impressed with things added to arena commander disguised as data analytics and information gathering.
Almost in May of 2024 and we’re taking about Saving 3.23… at this rate we will all be dead by the time beta releases.
So if your controler is more shitty then other then they give you advantage, why not give everyone aimbot and be done with it
Not sure if you did this video due to my comment, but if it was give me a shout out on a future video
you realy have a problem talking same time with other. from hard to imposible for heard what both saying, please use pause after other make sentence
Hey salty… if you stop pausing the clip during commentary, you’ll gain more subs.
You can still learn how to fly your ship without those aids and be awesome at it. Its all skill. Its a game system and not a ship system. Its an aim assist.
Stop talking please
recording and watching back as you suggested is exactly what i do to tell definitively tell my progress to a better adjustment.