You are an excellent teacher! Yesterday, during your stream i requested that you make” the absolute, green as hell, beginner’s guide to dogfighting” you said “ ok” so I will looking for it!👍
@Randy Durnil but why is that important? Because the pitch is higher that the yaw rate, or because you are strafing up or down while pitching? sorry if iam missing something obvious 😅.
I recently got some sticks and pedals and coming from M&K and going to HOSAS + pedals is a serious game changer. I've been watching this guide since last night and it just clicked for me as I was practicing in Arena Commander. Thank you so much Avenger ❤️
It's a bit like dogfighting in Elite (1984 and later) where you cannot strafe sideways or put move nose left or right. Always have to roll and pull up or down.
Hey @avenger_one. I've been going through your videos and not sure if I've missed it. But do you have anything explaining what exactly the slot is you've talked about and how to go about getting into that position consistently? I REALLY appreciate you making these vids, they've really made dogfighting so much more fun. Thank you!
Avenger talks about it in this video: ua-cam.com/video/zV6kYvyUDhc/v-deo.html Summary from my own understanding: Getting into the (kill)slot/holding an angle is mostly relevant if you have an agile ship with a fast turn rate and you fight a less agile ship with less turn rate (example: You in an Arrow vs. someone in a Constellation without gunners). In this situation, you try to get behind the enemy ship. Because he can't turn as fast as you can, you are able to shoot in his back all the time and he can't shoot back. Your position behind him is then called holding an angle/you are in the (kill)slot.
Thanks for doing the video. I found it a little hard to follow your descriptions, probably because you find this easy and obvious. So are you tracking the small "predicted movement" square? I think its what i do, basically follow the targets movement by pulling up at the target , rolling so that when i am tracking the target my movement is going to be upwards to align the target? Have I got that right or completely opposite? Your videos and help much appreciated. the one on how ESP works was brilliant, although I had to stick with it, maybe a bit more explanation on where/ how to adjust the settings for ESP would have been good. I have initially gone the 20 : 1 like yours . Again thanks.
Hey new sub here! Can you do a video on your movement fundamentals, like a joystick/board cam, I really want to learn some cleaner combat movement! Ty!
I'm not understanding the goal of the roll. Closest I can tell is that you are using your roll to put the opponent's motion on a line that lets you use both pitch and yaw thrust to reach the target faster. Is that correct?
Upward thruster is most powerful. Up and side thrust add up, so a diagonal curve can be tighter than just pulling up. The goal is to fly a small circle and turn fastest, so you end up above or behind the opponent. Plus turning diagonally you can help aim by adjusting up and side strafe to keep your aim on the target. By adjusting your relative angle to the opponent and by controlling the distance (forward thrust) you can control if both ships hit each other. If the enemy hits, you roll and avoid, if the enemy has to reload, you go closer and pressure.
Second part of the technique is to control distance - if the enemy shoots, you make the circle big - (pip moves away from target) - by strafing away from the enemy. If you feel that you are on target but the enemy not (or he’s reloading) you strafe into the enemy and also push harder forward. But you can only avoid fire, if the rolling angle is correct. If you strafe to the side and the other guys strafes diagonally up, he will catch you, as avenger does.
@@tektrixter No problem! Actually I somewhat missed the point - in short avenger matches the orientation by rolling to follow the movement of the other pilot. OR he deliberately rolls in a way that makes it difficult for the other pilot to follow his movement.
I'm pretty new in the verse and absolute crap at dogfighting. Really appreciate these easy to understand tutorials. Hopefully I'll be able to give you a good fight, too. Someday lol
Do you use much yaw turning, or is it pretty much all roll then pitch? (Assuming this is dual stick) do you roll using the joystick X axis (moving it left-right), or the Z axis (twisting it)?
I see you have your speed limiter on your slider. How does it work exactly? For me, I have to constantly hold it at a certain position to get the proper speed.
I’m not very experienced with dogfighting yet but I’m still not quite understanding. I always thought that the target box tells you where to shoot in order to hit the target. With your method, I can’t quite grasp how you know where to aim to ensure you hit the target.
@@Avenger__One Thank you. I got pretty confused by it, because i only played with lead pip and didnt know there were other options. To be fair, i needed another video to tell me what lag pips are, but this comment lead me there. And now i finally got it, after missunderstanding ESP for 20 minutes straight, because i didnt realized its the "magnetic slow thing" mainly because of language barrier i guess.. I really thought at first that ESP head something to do with your weird aiming, because your pip dont behave like mine, and i thought you are making some big IQ prediction things, that only works with roll aiming to outsmart certain game mechanics. lol Im so happy i only got it wrong, because i dont like games where you need to do not intended things to be good.
Hey Avenger, I've been wondering wince discovering your channel..why do you run the turret on the top of the Arrow? It could be that they've changed the Arrow since I last seriously modified it, but if they haven't, why do you use the base turret that should only allow two size 1s? Instead of just slapping on a third size 3 fixed. My only guess is a longer firing time due to a less stressed weapon capacitor magazine on the smaller weapons, but do please correct me if wrong
I think you can't remove it anymore, so you are stuck with 2 size 1s and in any case if you look on Erkul 2 size 1s give you 672 DPS vs 500 with one size 3.
i understand it but in practice with double t16k that the roll half time go on it's own and can't have a precise setting on it i'm bound to fail (well it fit my name right? KEKW 😭) hope to save for at least dual Virpil for the future
So, in short, the goal is to use roll in order to keep the enemy (or yourself I guess) in a position to where you nose up in order to acquire target? That's what I'm getting from this at least.
Is the Avenger Titan a good starter ship? Because i bought a warbond Mustang Alpha Pack and upgraded the mpuv cargo to a titan, i saved 10 euros by that
I tried with all the dpi and still doesn't let you. I have dual sticks but i'm an old gamer and for me...man...they are so weird...i go in arena and try and practice. I try to learn...when I watch Avenger's videos I feel that I can do it, until i get myself entangled in those sticks. Still don't k ow for hosas without pedals where should I have the roll?
He’s rolling to match the direction the opponents ship is moving in, to an extent it’s a guessing game but the reason you roll to match the movement is because you always want to be tracking in pitch not yaw because pitch is much faster, you don’t have to strafe up and roll or strafe down that’s not what this video is about. Strafing up and rolling is an evasive maneuver and doesn’t have to do with roll aim. However once you have rolled into their direction and are tracking in pitch you can use a bit of up strafe to give the last little bit to get ur pip on target
m$k here and is a nightmare to fly like that..on the distance fights , yes..but on close calls...nope...very big trouble with curves...dam...looking for stycks now...logitech56?
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The PVP content I’ve been looking for ever since I wanted to start PVPing. Awesome content, gonna watch this until I fully understand it.
You are an excellent teacher! Yesterday, during your stream i requested that you make” the absolute, green as hell, beginner’s guide to dogfighting” you said “ ok” so I will looking for it!👍
1:48 "His direction of movement is in line with our pich" this is huge
@Randy Durnil but why is that important? Because the pitch is higher that the yaw rate, or because you are strafing up or down while pitching?
sorry if iam missing something obvious 😅.
@@Honkomedes every ship in the game has more accuracy in pitch. 8:30 ua-cam.com/video/xMbuaZPuH6M/v-deo.html
@@Honkomedesyes because the pitch is higher than the yaw rate
I recently got some sticks and pedals and coming from M&K and going to HOSAS + pedals is a serious game changer. I've been watching this guide since last night and it just clicked for me as I was practicing in Arena Commander. Thank you so much Avenger ❤️
Beautiful video. Well said. I'm not a great dog fighter, but this is something I understand but never see anyone doing so.
You should trace the direction you roll in and put notes around specific moments in your encounters in general. Freeze video and put notes
It's a bit like dogfighting in Elite (1984 and later) where you cannot strafe sideways or put move nose left or right. Always have to roll and pull up or down.
Great video. Thank you.
Hey @avenger_one. I've been going through your videos and not sure if I've missed it. But do you have anything explaining what exactly the slot is you've talked about and how to go about getting into that position consistently? I REALLY appreciate you making these vids, they've really made dogfighting so much more fun. Thank you!
Avenger talks about it in this video: ua-cam.com/video/zV6kYvyUDhc/v-deo.html
Summary from my own understanding: Getting into the (kill)slot/holding an angle is mostly relevant if you have an agile ship with a fast turn rate and you fight a less agile ship with less turn rate (example: You in an Arrow vs. someone in a Constellation without gunners). In this situation, you try to get behind the enemy ship. Because he can't turn as fast as you can, you are able to shoot in his back all the time and he can't shoot back. Your position behind him is then called holding an angle/you are in the (kill)slot.
Finally, we're talking about Aiming :) Great video A1.
I love this video! Would love to see a bunch of these fundamental videos!
yes I would love a fundamentals playlist!
Definitely one of the best pilots I've seen on this game
another great video, thanks Avenger One!
Make sure you are always pulling up to get the pip on target, yes? The lag pip to screen center shows you the opponents movement vector
Everytime I watch your videos, I always want to duel with you :) Amazing content as always, thanks for the video!
pop in the discord, training prety much every evening
Thanks for doing the video. I found it a little hard to follow your descriptions, probably because you find this easy and obvious.
So are you tracking the small "predicted movement" square?
I think its what i do, basically follow the targets movement by pulling up at the target , rolling so that when i am tracking the target my movement is going to be upwards to align the target? Have I got that right or completely opposite?
Your videos and help much appreciated. the one on how ESP works was brilliant, although I had to stick with it, maybe a bit more explanation on where/ how to adjust the settings for ESP would have been good. I have initially gone the 20 : 1 like yours . Again thanks.
Very informative! 👍🏻
A 3rd person view would have really helped out here. Maybe in a nebula as well- to give us a frame of reference.
You got my sub good sir. Looking forward to becoming a better dog fighter because of you.
Awesome 👌
I just don’t understand how you can be so accurate and not overturn
Needs a bigger breakdown on your terminologies and usage of them.
Will spread this video to some orgs
Hey new sub here! Can you do a video on your movement fundamentals, like a joystick/board cam, I really want to learn some cleaner combat movement! Ty!
I'd second that.
I'd love to see inputs on every video
I want that as well please!
Yess sir!!
excellent! thank you!
I don't quite understand why this is important, is pitching "up" faster that yawing left and right? Or down?
Move responsive
watching this after mastermodes... so sad, I miss the old FM
I'm not understanding the goal of the roll. Closest I can tell is that you are using your roll to put the opponent's motion on a line that lets you use both pitch and yaw thrust to reach the target faster. Is that correct?
Upward thruster is most powerful. Up and side thrust add up, so a diagonal curve can be tighter than just pulling up.
The goal is to fly a small circle and turn fastest, so you end up above or behind the opponent.
Plus turning diagonally you can help aim by adjusting up and side strafe to keep your aim on the target.
By adjusting your relative angle to the opponent and by controlling the distance (forward thrust) you can control if both ships hit each other. If the enemy hits, you roll and avoid, if the enemy has to reload, you go closer and pressure.
Second part of the technique is to control distance - if the enemy shoots, you make the circle big - (pip moves away from target) - by strafing away from the enemy. If you feel that you are on target but the enemy not (or he’s reloading) you strafe into the enemy and also push harder forward.
But you can only avoid fire, if the rolling angle is correct. If you strafe to the side and the other guys strafes diagonally up, he will catch you, as avenger does.
@@teahousereloaded thank you for the lesson!
@@tektrixter No problem!
Actually I somewhat missed the point - in short avenger matches the orientation by rolling to follow the movement of the other pilot. OR he deliberately rolls in a way that makes it difficult for the other pilot to follow his movement.
Yeasss
Now all I got to do is figure out how to swap between lag and follow pips
These weapon velocities cause me anxiety. So slow...
Where can I find the AIM roll in the settings to activate it?
I'm pretty new in the verse and absolute crap at dogfighting. Really appreciate these easy to understand tutorials.
Hopefully I'll be able to give you a good fight, too. Someday lol
Could you give me a complete list of the fundamental skills? I'd like to study them one at a time but I want to make sure I don't miss anything.
core skills playlist
This is what I’m bad at lol.
Do you use much yaw turning, or is it pretty much all roll then pitch? (Assuming this is dual stick) do you roll using the joystick X axis (moving it left-right), or the Z axis (twisting it)?
Yes alot of yaw but always moving into pitch
I see you have your speed limiter on your slider. How does it work exactly? For me, I have to constantly hold it at a certain position to get the proper speed.
Would be great if I got more than 20 fps. No amount of tips can help my combat when I got that
I’m not very experienced with dogfighting yet but I’m still not quite understanding. I always thought that the target box tells you where to shoot in order to hit the target. With your method, I can’t quite grasp how you know where to aim to ensure you hit the target.
I am using lag pips
Lag pips my guy :) 😀
@@Avenger__One Thank you. I got pretty confused by it, because i only played with lead pip and didnt know there were other options. To be fair, i needed another video to tell me what lag pips are, but this comment lead me there. And now i finally got it, after missunderstanding ESP for 20 minutes straight, because i didnt realized its the "magnetic slow thing" mainly because of language barrier i guess.. I really thought at first that ESP head something to do with your weird aiming, because your pip dont behave like mine, and i thought you are making some big IQ prediction things, that only works with roll aiming to outsmart certain game mechanics. lol Im so happy i only got it wrong, because i dont like games where you need to do not intended things to be good.
Do you use joysticks and peddles or keyboard and mouse and what is your key bindings, are they custom or something?
Hey Avenger, I've been wondering wince discovering your channel..why do you run the turret on the top of the Arrow? It could be that they've changed the Arrow since I last seriously modified it, but if they haven't, why do you use the base turret that should only allow two size 1s? Instead of just slapping on a third size 3 fixed.
My only guess is a longer firing time due to a less stressed weapon capacitor magazine on the smaller weapons, but do please correct me if wrong
I think you can't remove it anymore, so you are stuck with 2 size 1s and in any case if you look on Erkul 2 size 1s give you 672 DPS vs 500 with one size 3.
You can't remove it anymore, and even if you could 2x S1s has a similar range but better DPS vs a single S3
@@GuyFromJupiter +10 too knowledge
i understand it but in practice with double t16k that the roll half time go on it's own and can't have a precise setting on it i'm bound to fail (well it fit my name right? KEKW 😭)
hope to save for at least dual Virpil for the future
Your using a joystick right. That continuous movement is not doable with a mouse unless you use a input modifier.
Vjoy with mouse can do this but I am using sticks
So, in short, the goal is to use roll in order to keep the enemy (or yourself I guess) in a position to where you nose up in order to acquire target? That's what I'm getting from this at least.
Is the Avenger Titan a good starter ship? Because i bought a warbond Mustang Alpha Pack and upgraded the mpuv cargo to a titan, i saved 10 euros by that
Yes. You are able to try most things with that ship. You can even fit a dragonfly if I remember correctly
It's OK.....
What is your setup and targeting binds?
Go to stream and hit !specs
Hey man do you still have your config files for your old Warthog + T16000m FCS HOSAS setup? If so can you please hook me up.
I do not :(
@@Avenger__One did you use Target when you did use that setup or did you use something else?
I miss a throttle control class :(
My crossair doesnt move likei yours
I'm on lag pip
you still playing?
Almost everyday
looks like I need sticks, I just can't roll like that with mouse and keyboard
I tried with all the dpi and still doesn't let you. I have dual sticks but i'm an old gamer and for me...man...they are so weird...i go in arena and try and practice. I try to learn...when I watch Avenger's videos I feel that I can do it, until i get myself entangled in those sticks. Still don't k ow for hosas without pedals where should I have the roll?
2:50 how to roll and move down like that? strafe up with roll or what? Im so confused
He’s rolling to match the direction the opponents ship is moving in, to an extent it’s a guessing game but the reason you roll to match the movement is because you always want to be tracking in pitch not yaw because pitch is much faster, you don’t have to strafe up and roll or strafe down that’s not what this video is about. Strafing up and rolling is an evasive maneuver and doesn’t have to do with roll aim. However once you have rolled into their direction and are tracking in pitch you can use a bit of up strafe to give the last little bit to get ur pip on target
bro for the longest time I thought you just aim at the ESP box lol
i understand what he is saying about rolling but what i don't get is how can he see where the enemy is going (left or right)
m$k here and is a nightmare to fly like that..on the distance fights , yes..but on close calls...nope...very big trouble with curves...dam...looking for stycks now...logitech56?