Is the lesson we’ve learned here that bitter old Englishmen shouldn’t be allowed to make films about the most famous French military commander in history?
@@joelogan6286people are upset because it disrespects a well respected and reasonably inspirational historical figure . It’s really stupid how people come to say what you’re saying. It’s obvious. Why is kingdom of heaven (directors cut) not universally hated for the same reason ? Because it captures the spirit and respects the legendary figures in the movie (Baldwin and Saladin). It shows the characters the respect and humanity that they were described with by others. Napoleon does none of this. It is both inaccurate (as was KoH) and disrespectful/reductive (as KoH certainly was not).
@@joelogan6286oh amigo o gênero do filme é "histórico" e não "ficção científica". oh friend, the genre of the film is "historical" and not "science fiction".😊
@@Player-unknown93 But how are people supposed to know that? Every person who is not an admirer of history would assume that this is the great Napoleon. It sets a precedent for future films about historical figures and their stories that could shape their place in history because a director decided to get a bit creative
I love how the French army always respected and followed Napoleon until their end. Those guys didn't want France to go back to the old days and Napoleon always took care of his soldiers to the greatest extent that he could.
Leaders who were former military members tent to have a better relationship with Soldiers then leaders who weren't, they know how the average Soldier feels and what problems they face, this movie is still a disgrace to Napoleon thoe.
@@tiagomonteiro130this movie portrays Napoleon as an old, cowardly, bitter man when in reality he was charismatic, highly loved, highly intelligent, and a brilliant leader overall. Ridley is just a bitter old Englishman and should have never made this multi million dollar pile of crap!
@@gusfring6887 Scott made one of the best movies one french napoleonic ages ; the duellists. It was his first film. A pictural movie with painting references inspired by a true history of two french hussards. See this film if you do not know.
Honestly, this scene could have passed in a batter movie. It’s a good balance of ridiculousness and history that would fit well in a movie that was actually coherent.
People often mention how evil he was after Russia, but if that were true, why would men follow him after, even willing to help him regain power without a single soldier shooting him after orders from their king? I don’t think an evil man would be alive after all of that, that’s why I respect the absolute fck out of Napoleon
Ridley Scott made Blackhawk Down. One of the most faithful military movies of all time. Seriously it’s 1 to 1 with the book. Then makes…this. This must have been an intentional hit piece on Napoleon
Actually it wasn't accurate since the UN forces that rescue the US forces were actually Malaysian and not Indian. Furthermore, some Malaysian Peacekeepers died rescuing those US soldiers yet the film omitted their contribution but instead portray the peacekeepers just transporting the injured. Naturally, Malaysian weren't please their soldiers weren't given respect for their help in that movie.
@@MrTerrorist I haven't watched the movie in a while, but I remember them mentioning Pakistani forces and according to Wikipedia, they also mentioned Malaysian forces, both as part of the UN rescue convoy. Criticism about dismissing the role of the Pakistani/Malaysian forces came from both countries, not just Malaysia. But it isn't surprising that the film focused on Americans, as introducing new factions at the end of the movie would have disrupted the narrative pacing, even if it would have been more accurate. There's also the merging of individuals into single characters, which is often done in films to reduce the narrative noise when there are too many characters/actors involved in the plot. Some relatively small logistical decisions were changed. Besides that the film is a reasonable portrayal of the events, seemingly far better than Napoleon. That being said I wouldn't treat any piece of media as historical fact. I find criticising movie accuracy a bit pointless because it is not advisable (nor possible) for directors to perfectly recreate history or even other works of fiction. Accuracy often gets in the way of an entertaining story, disrupting pace, etc.
In reality the eyewitnesses described a different scene: the deputies attempted to attack Napoleon, between him and them some grenadiers intervened who made the general reach the exit by making him pass over their heads, passing him from hand to hand, as the fans during concerts with rock stars throwing themselves from the stage. The minimum height to become a grenadier was, I think, 180cm, Napoleon was 165cm tall and then quite slim. Less spectacular scene than in the film, but that's how it is.
My idol is Napoleon. I have studied Napoleon, I love his history. I don’t know what kind of mad man Ridley Scott is but Joaquin Phoenix portrayed him like a scumbag clown. Sure, after the coup, after, propaganda spread that Napoleon was stabbed or the 500 attempted to stab him, and one grenadier even got his sleeve ripped in the ordeal and received a pension. Napoleon is portrayed in this as a sad, desperate power h hungry nutter.
Your idol is a deranged delusional tyrant who seized a powerful military from a lost and confused nation, waging total war ending in total defeat at the cost of millions of lives?! You must also idolize Hitler then.
Phoenix is one of the greatest actors alive. So the fact he sucks so bad in this film just shows what a terrible director Scott has become. You can give him hundreds of millions of dollars and the very best actors, and he'll still find a way to make it awful.
Phoenix is good, but I would question his breadth. What is Phoenix famous for?? Self abusing and loathing men who have tragic demises often. He played Johnny Cash, Joker, and Emperor Commodus, they're all similar archetypes of self-abusing men who are tragic in some sense. They should not have casted him, he doesn't play the part of a deliberately inspiring and rousing man, in control of his fate. Phoenix is more of the tragic loser who is thrust into path he never asked for.
@@maaz322I think it is more that you haven't seen enough of his work instead of the actor's "breadth". Check out Buffalo Soldiers or We Own the Night as two quick examples - if you want to see him play charismatic characters who aren't "tragic losers". He's really good at those too. The problem is Ridley Scott. The same thing happened when he tried to make Robin Hood. He had some of the very best actors in the business and hundreds of millions - and still churned out mediocrity.
Phoenix as great he may be simply isnt fit to be Napoleon. Napoleon in 1814-5? Yes definitly, but not Napoleon when he was in his twenties and early thirties ffs, he doesnt have the energy of youth unlike Napoleon who historically did, he either seemed stoic half the time when Napoleon wore his emotions on his shoulders. His portrayal as the anglo saxon stereotype of Napoleon doesnt give Napoleon justice. He is not a bad actor, and Scott messed up hard, but he is not the right actor to play Napoleon either
@@Freedmoon44 Phoenix recently played the Joker, who had enough manic energy to make Napoleon look like he was in a coma. So the actor had plenty of energy for the role. I'm confident the problem was Ridley's direction. He made Russel Crow boring as Robin Hood, Christian Bale boring as Moses, and now Joaquin Phoenix boring as Napoleon. These are all great actors who know how to bring vitality to their roles under the stewardship of a competent director.
The problem with this movie is that Ridley Scott tried to fit his entire adult life into a movie. Needed to show his rise to power as a general 1799-1804. THEN the second movie would show him emperor, 1804-1815.
Nah, better move would be 1799-1804, 1805-1812, then 1812-1815x alternatively. 1799-1804 Rise of Napoleon, 1805-1809 Rise of an Empire, 1809-1814 Fall of an Empire, 1815 Napoleons Return
@@Deerhunter60641i love how you guys are saying 1799-1804 and all, but he was a well established general in 1796-7 in the war with Italy Started his rise in 1793 and theres honestly alot more to say prior with his corsican indeoandantist ide1 his falling out with Paoli his expedition in Piedmont Sardigna his time out of job for refusing to participate in the Vendée conflict. Theres so much of this not really known
Not even kidding, when it became apparent that this movie wasn't as serious or historically accurate, I saw 2 people walk out. I enjoyed it though, it was super funny.
My first problem with the movie is that they would try to squeeze Napoleon's whole eventful life in 2 to 3 hours. However, watching this short scene would show that there are other issues with the movie. You can hate Napoleon, but do not deny his genius and charisma. Here, he is made to look like an incompetent buffoon.
War and Peace didn't mention the battle of Waterloo, you're referring to the movie of the same name, including the same director as the Soviet film version.
I'm so glad people are catching onto how much of a turd Ridley Scott has become. Every movie he makes now is just a hot take on history where every male character is either a coward or a complete bastard.
Ridley Scott literally depicts Napoleon as a brave leader who rides headfirst into battle, saber in hand. That is the opposite of portraying as a coward, especially when his enemies in the movie never lead their men in battle.
And some people are catching on to what a total loser Napoleon was, despite European narratives of glory and triumph. Nothing more than a deranged delusional demagogue of a tyrant who seized a powerful military from a lost and confused nation, waging total war ending in total defeat at the cost of millions of lives.
@@horsemann7354 His Napoleon is nothing like the real life man. Where is the charisma, the magnetic attraction? He instead appears more like a military autist, highly gifted for battle, but incapable of charming anyone. And then we have the battles, that happened nowhere near how they are depicted in the film.
By the looks of the comments, a percentage of people dont like this scene (or the film.) But could we give Pheonix creadit when its due? For me its him falling down the stairs before instantly getting back up and running. Good job to him.
I mean rather than making a speech if he just said "They tried to kill Napoleon." Those Guards would instantly go in there to bash those politicans heads open just because they 'think' about harming Napoleon :D
In reality, while Napoleon was confronting the Council of 500, he was flanked by Grenadiers, and they pulled him cleared and dragged him outside, when the situation started to become ugly.
As French. This anticipated movie is a huge letdown. Really out of context from the History Facts. I remember when I was in high school. We had a test subject about Napoleon Bonaparte and his conquest. I couldn’t fail it
As French. This anticipated movie is a huge letdown. Really out of context from the History Facts. I remember when I was in high school. We had a test subject about Napoleon Bonaparte and his conquest. I couldn’t fail it
@@Sillytommysadventure In this particular scene he’s about to make a "Coup" which means he was planning to overthrow the Republic Constitution. According to History books, he made it but apparently not the case in this scene
"Citizens, you are dissolved!" and "Get this damn fucking ramble out." Really disappointed not to see the "Dandy King" since he commanded the 6,000 troops that surrounded the building.
I’m gonna go see this one tomorrow-my only qualm with it is that I wish they’d a used more French actors and dialogue…it just doesn’t feel as authentic as it should with him speaking in English all the time! 🤷🏼♂️
don't mind the stupid negative reviews on social, it's actually a good movie (the best made on Napoleon so far). There are downsides of course (nothing on his immense heritage with regards to culture, politics, law, egyptology etc. nothing on the campaigns of Italy and Spain either, and the portrayal of his relationship with Josephine is a bit awkward), but the 4 battle scenes are great, so are the settings and the costumes) and it depicts a more human Napoleon than any other film. Can't wait for the director's cut version on apple +
@@townsley2 I know, I hear what you’re saying and I totally agree, I’m not really one for that word of mouth shit, I’d rather go see the film myself and draw my own inferences!
If you look at painting and look at the actor as Napoleon you can understand why he looks like that plus we don’t even know his actual face paintings aren’t always accurate
@@waynedugger7697 i’m still going to go see it anyway, I don’t like that word of mouth thing, I have to see it with my own two eyes for a genuine inference
Except he already feels human as hell if you look at history and respects it, like half the time his quotes on his marshalls depands on his mood one day "this man is the greatest" the next "ive never seen a bigger piece of s in my life". You read the true history of the coup of Brumaire and realise that the reason why he stole power was because people like Sièyes, Talleyrand, Lucien, Moreau, Murat and Lefebvre i think was on his side, but at one point he totally lost his patience went in too early and kinda failed the diplomatic route as he lost his confidence nothing so dramatic as him running away in disgrace there were grenadier who took him outside and held the door to the corridor while Napoleon came outside and used the excuse that Lucien was held against his will to get the military to aid. The day prior he slept with 2 loaded pistols because he was preparing for a coup. He seems bigger than life when you see what he accomplished, but theres a definitive line between depicting him as a lucky power hungry buffoon who is carried by others to where he was, and his talent and genius brought to its best when other people supports him. Showing incompetance doesnt make you more human, it only makes you more relatable, but we dont need to relate to Napoleon really.
Can i just say. As an English person. I am fully aware this film does miss a lot of campaigns napoleon had, battles.. important battles missed and other rather important details missed. This is an English made film. While it does miss a lot of key points, it is a fictional film. And it does a good job of being accurate.. mostly. Napoleon was a dictator. Yes. But i dont think anyone could dispute his cunning mind, he was also decent at war strategies. He propelled his country into a major power. Pissed of us English (and lets be honest thats war matters the most) and grabbed the attention of half the world. Love or hate him. The man has legendary accolades
Those that did not appreciate the light humor in this film do your research on the man that Napolean was. He was known to enjoy humor and be a little goofy at times.
I implore anyone visiting clips of this trainwreck of a movie to take a gander at Epic History's series on the real story of Napoleon Bonaparte. About 2 months ago, they released a video of the Brumaire Coup and the downfall of the French Directory. The series as a whole is well written, well-illustrated/presented beautifully, and is much more captivating than Ridley Scott's "The Last Airbender."
Say what you want about him, Napolean saved the ancient antigies of eqypt from being destoryed. the rosette stone was found because he wanted to perserve the history of egypt
By losing the best of the French Navy in a meaningless invasion what was the first of multiple military disasters for Napoleon, you forgot to mention that part. Because people like you want to ignore the disaster and try to attribute something positive, like a coward who can't face an ugly truth.
@@RidleyScottOwnsFailedDictators Napoleon was a General and not an Admiral. The loss of the fleet at the battle of the Nile is a Navel loss and is the fault of the Admiral in charge, same as Trafalgar. The same as you can't blame the King or a us president for a loss if the commander on the ground or at sea is the one directing the battle.
@@imperatorsteve Commenter forgot to mention the whole, DISASTER of a DEFEAT part, which is what Egypt was for Napoleon. Napoleon lost the best of the French navy in failed invasion, as Napoleon abandoned his army when things were going terrible, went back to France, pretended that he had conquered Egypt to the French public when Egypt was not subdued, and then manipulatively blamed Kleber for Napoleon's mess and ultimate French defeat in Egypt. Commenter forgot to mention that part, that Napoleon failed to control the area longterm and gave Napoleon enormous undue credit for saving ancient Egyptian history. Because we all know what a great legal scholar and building inspector that Napoleon was, as well as a great Ancient Egyptian Historian.
@RidleyScottOwnsFailedDictators you missed the bit that had the French navy been victorious then the French troops could count on resupply in a hostile region while the French pacified the locals. Without the fleet there was no chance of resupply or reinforcement. Yes it became a great propaganda point for Napoleon when he abandoned the dieing army, but it doesn't change the fact that had the fleet admiral done their job and won the battle of the Nile things could have turned out differently
@@RidleyScottOwnsFailedDictatorsImagine having such a SAD and BORING life you make an entire burner account to dickride a shitty director for a shitty movie. It's not about whether or not Napoleon was a good person or a good commander it's about HISTORICAL INACCURACIES.
You mean they should tear into the historians who taught you about Napoleon and his "conquests" and not his total defeat. They taught you wrong, because they did not teach you about all the massive disasters and all the wars that Napoleon lost as enemy troops marching down the streets of Paris, France under military occupation, a once juggernaut French military in shambles, a generation's worth of French boys lying in mass graves, France losing territory, France forced to pay massive war reparations, France forced to accept the hated Bourbon Monarchy, as Napoleon dies a broken defeated man on a forsaken island. Who should get torn a new one?
@@mahaliadoesitbest2294 The self denial is way too personal. I mean are you still grieving that your great great great great great French grandfather got hacked to pieces by Spanish guerrillas or something? Only to have France lose the Peninsular War, and the Napoleonic Wars overall as enemy troops march down the streets of Paris. Is that what you do not have the courage to yet admit, that so many French boys died horrible deaths in total defeat? So why don't you justify all the French death and suffering by telling yourself how Napoleon improved the Civil Code for the world, especially the reinstating slavery and the slave trade in his laws, that was certainly noble and enlightening.
The soldiers are actual soldiers, they followed orders of their emperor till the very fucking end,mad respect to every single unit, every grenadier, and every Man who fought.
Archiburges, this time the Media say the truth. It is a Shit movie. Nearly everything in this film was wrong. Even the Soundtrack was Shit. Ridley Scott didnt give a f... for a good Napoleon movie, He is laughing about positiv comments.
The old guard have the sapper bearskins not the spider logo on it but they fixed the plate but the old guard always uses the spider one which is mabye slightly taller
As far as I can tell this is the only remotely accurate part of the film and that’s not saying much because it only gets a few things right. Napoleon really was at first rejected by the delegates and his brother really did point a dagger at him to motivate the hostile takeover. Obviously it wasn’t as satirical as it was here and obviously the soldiers didn’t just march in and form a a firing squad immediately but it was the only part of the film that made me go “at least they got that right somewhat”.
Такой эпизод действительно произошëл с Наполеоном Бонапартом в реальности. Ридли Скотт в данной сцене ПОЛЬСТИЛ Наполеону. Если герой Хоакина Феникса вырвался из толпы и не дал себя разорвать на куски, то настоящий Наполеон Бонапарт оказался в заложниках у совета пятисот и чуть было не погиб, еслиб не поддержка военных откликнувшишся на зов его брата.
I liked Napoleon, sure it was a little much with the sex and love interest and yes the battle scenes were at most subpar, but I think in the end it was a good movie if you see past all the inaccuracies, I mean I do enjoy a good movie and want them to be as historically accurate as possible. I view this as I view many movies, would I watch the entire thing from start to finish after seeing it in the movie theater? No, I wouldn't, but would I watch the scenes of battles on UA-cam? Yes, I will.
Shut the fuck up its a good movie if your so pissed off how about you watch 1970 waterloo dumb bitch i know half of the movie is napoloen fucking his wife but bro you don't gotta be angry
@@lizardo667 "This movie was supposed to be a nutshell of napoleon." Well, if it was supposed to be that, it failed, even at that very limited objective. Disastrously so. Are you seriously defending this pile of dogshit of a movie?!
Is the lesson we’ve learned here that bitter old Englishmen shouldn’t be allowed to make films about the most famous French military commander in history?
He’s not a historian . He’s a director that tells stories. I don’t understand why people are upset about a fictional movie .
@@joelogan6286people are upset because it disrespects a well respected and reasonably inspirational historical figure . It’s really stupid how people come to say what you’re saying. It’s obvious. Why is kingdom of heaven (directors cut) not universally hated for the same reason ? Because it captures the spirit and respects the legendary figures in the movie (Baldwin and Saladin). It shows the characters the respect and humanity that they were described with by others. Napoleon does none of this. It is both inaccurate (as was KoH) and disrespectful/reductive (as KoH certainly was not).
@@joelogan6286 the real story is way more interesting than watching an Englishmen shit on the memory of Napoleon
@@joelogan6286oh amigo o gênero do filme é "histórico" e não "ficção científica".
oh friend, the genre of the film is "historical" and not "science fiction".😊
@@Player-unknown93 But how are people supposed to know that? Every person who is not an admirer of history would assume that this is the great Napoleon. It sets a precedent for future films about historical figures and their stories that could shape their place in history because a director decided to get a bit creative
I used to think that this movie was a tragedy.. But now I realize it's a comedy..
Nice Joker reference 😂
All I have....are negative reviews!
If you view it more as a comedy it’s more watchable
the part when he falls off the stairs reminds me of the Joker perssecution
Nice reference lol. 😂
I love how the French army always respected and followed Napoleon until their end. Those guys didn't want France to go back to the old days and Napoleon always took care of his soldiers to the greatest extent that he could.
Leaders who were former military members tent to have a better relationship with Soldiers then leaders who weren't, they know how the average Soldier feels and what problems they face, this movie is still a disgrace to Napoleon thoe.
r u napoleon?
@@tiagomonteiro130
@@tiagomonteiro130this movie portrays Napoleon as an old, cowardly, bitter man when in reality he was charismatic, highly loved, highly intelligent, and a brilliant leader overall. Ridley is just a bitter old Englishman and should have never made this multi million dollar pile of crap!
The French Revolution accomplished nothing and was destructive
@@gusfring6887 Scott made one of the best movies one french napoleonic ages ; the duellists. It was his first film. A pictural movie with painting references inspired by a true history of two french hussards. See this film if you do not know.
Honestly, this scene could have passed in a batter movie. It’s a good balance of ridiculousness and history that would fit well in a movie that was actually coherent.
Scene *
@@KINGBIMP sorry this was posted in that 1 am mode of thought, fixed now
Could fit in a Death of Stalin-esque version of the coup
People often mention how evil he was after Russia, but if that were true, why would men follow him after, even willing to help him regain power without a single soldier shooting him after orders from their king? I don’t think an evil man would be alive after all of that, that’s why I respect the absolute fck out of Napoleon
@@GetoffmearseHitler also had loyal followers after his death. People will follow what/who they think is right.
0:49 Napoleon quoted "Oh f*ck." while falling down the stairs
Hahahahahahahaha omg
If the French dub says 'oh p*tain* that would be hilarious 😂
I would do same thing so can we blame him ?
I almoast died of laughing! hahahaha
Oh cuck!
Ridley Scott made Blackhawk Down. One of the most faithful military movies of all time. Seriously it’s 1 to 1 with the book.
Then makes…this. This must have been an intentional hit piece on Napoleon
Actually it wasn't accurate since the UN forces that rescue the US forces were actually Malaysian and not Indian. Furthermore, some Malaysian Peacekeepers died rescuing those US soldiers yet the film omitted their contribution but instead portray the peacekeepers just transporting the injured. Naturally, Malaysian weren't please their soldiers weren't given respect for their help in that movie.
@@MrTerrorist irl there were both Malaysian and Pakistani troops to rescue them
@@MrTerrorist I haven't watched the movie in a while, but I remember them mentioning Pakistani forces and according to Wikipedia, they also mentioned Malaysian forces, both as part of the UN rescue convoy. Criticism about dismissing the role of the Pakistani/Malaysian forces came from both countries, not just Malaysia. But it isn't surprising that the film focused on Americans, as introducing new factions at the end of the movie would have disrupted the narrative pacing, even if it would have been more accurate. There's also the merging of individuals into single characters, which is often done in films to reduce the narrative noise when there are too many characters/actors involved in the plot. Some relatively small logistical decisions were changed.
Besides that the film is a reasonable portrayal of the events, seemingly far better than Napoleon. That being said I wouldn't treat any piece of media as historical fact. I find criticising movie accuracy a bit pointless because it is not advisable (nor possible) for directors to perfectly recreate history or even other works of fiction. Accuracy often gets in the way of an entertaining story, disrupting pace, etc.
@@MrTerrorist I said accurate to the book.
no I am sad that we could have Black Hawk Down in napoleonic era, instead we got a romantic comedy in costumes
This is giving Monty Python but with a $120 million budget 😂
Lol😂😂
Ah yes because you were there
@@Cpt.BEARDless No, but other people where, and they wrote it down.
@@Cpt.BEARDlessWhy is it so hard to assume he watched the movie?
To be fair monty python is surprisingly accurate sometimes
In reality the eyewitnesses described a different scene: the deputies attempted to attack Napoleon, between him and them some grenadiers intervened who made the general reach the exit by making him pass over their heads, passing him from hand to hand, as the fans during concerts with rock stars throwing themselves from the stage. The minimum height to become a grenadier was, I think, 180cm, Napoleon was 165cm tall and then quite slim. Less spectacular scene than in the film, but that's how it is.
What do you mean “pass over their heads” and “passing him from hand to hand”
@@Ma1q444They lifted him up above their heads and passed him between each other
@@JohnCena-le1jjLike hot potato?
thats probably even more spectacular and hilarious. but nope. history is boring !!
@@delta5-126 they did crowd surfing
With the tons of information available about this historical event and Ridley Scott comes around and fails miserably
Ridley Scott should never be allowed to direct a history movie again
You shouldn't watch it then
I thought the same thing after Gladiator.
@@Levi-zr4dq I didn't
Why not?
Why? It's a movie, it's meant to be far fetched and exaggerated. I don't know what you people expect.
My idol is Napoleon. I have studied Napoleon, I love his history. I don’t know what kind of mad man Ridley Scott is but Joaquin Phoenix portrayed him like a scumbag clown. Sure, after the coup, after, propaganda spread that Napoleon was stabbed or the 500 attempted to stab him, and one grenadier even got his sleeve ripped in the ordeal and received a pension. Napoleon is portrayed in this as a sad, desperate power h hungry nutter.
his father was a mudder
and his mother was a nutter
Careful, we got someone who was actually there when this happened in that chat.
Worst movie they could ever make on Napoleon
Joaquin had the look for this role but wasn't commanding enough with his persona.
Your idol is a deranged delusional tyrant who seized a powerful military from a lost and confused nation, waging total war ending in total defeat at the cost of millions of lives?! You must also idolize Hitler then.
1:16 this film was so bad that this was funny
"Theyre trying to kill me"
"Theyre trying to kill him"
*hits someone at the door aggressively*
Its like its out of a sitcom
@@rainbowchap6973😭😭
Scott is British, and his British ancestors told him to make Napoleon so shitty 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@@rainbowchap6973I think it’s meant to be like this? He is being pathetic in this scene. Panicking? I dont see anything bad about this
Its supposed to be funny, its a comedy movie
Phoenix is one of the greatest actors alive. So the fact he sucks so bad in this film just shows what a terrible director Scott has become. You can give him hundreds of millions of dollars and the very best actors, and he'll still find a way to make it awful.
Phoenix is good, but I would question his breadth. What is Phoenix famous for?? Self abusing and loathing men who have tragic demises often. He played Johnny Cash, Joker, and Emperor Commodus, they're all similar archetypes of self-abusing men who are tragic in some sense. They should not have casted him, he doesn't play the part of a deliberately inspiring and rousing man, in control of his fate. Phoenix is more of the tragic loser who is thrust into path he never asked for.
@@maaz322I think it is more that you haven't seen enough of his work instead of the actor's "breadth". Check out Buffalo Soldiers or We Own the Night as two quick examples - if you want to see him play charismatic characters who aren't "tragic losers". He's really good at those too.
The problem is Ridley Scott. The same thing happened when he tried to make Robin Hood. He had some of the very best actors in the business and hundreds of millions - and still churned out mediocrity.
Phoenix as great he may be simply isnt fit to be Napoleon. Napoleon in 1814-5? Yes definitly, but not Napoleon when he was in his twenties and early thirties ffs, he doesnt have the energy of youth unlike Napoleon who historically did, he either seemed stoic half the time when Napoleon wore his emotions on his shoulders.
His portrayal as the anglo saxon stereotype of Napoleon doesnt give Napoleon justice.
He is not a bad actor, and Scott messed up hard, but he is not the right actor to play Napoleon either
@@Freedmoon44 Phoenix recently played the Joker, who had enough manic energy to make Napoleon look like he was in a coma. So the actor had plenty of energy for the role.
I'm confident the problem was Ridley's direction. He made Russel Crow boring as Robin Hood, Christian Bale boring as Moses, and now Joaquin Phoenix boring as Napoleon. These are all great actors who know how to bring vitality to their roles under the stewardship of a competent director.
Joaquin was a bad casting choice, looks nothing like Napoleon and just uses his regular voice
1:36 that little look he gave him when he said I’ll kill him like “What? I have to sell this, just go with it.”
The problem with this movie is that Ridley Scott tried to fit his entire adult life into a movie. Needed to show his rise to power as a general 1799-1804. THEN the second movie would show him emperor, 1804-1815.
Nah, better move would be 1799-1804, 1805-1812, then 1812-1815x alternatively. 1799-1804 Rise of Napoleon, 1805-1809 Rise of an Empire, 1809-1814 Fall of an Empire, 1815 Napoleons Return
@@Deerhunter60641i love how you guys are saying 1799-1804 and all, but he was a well established general in 1796-7 in the war with Italy
Started his rise in 1793 and theres honestly alot more to say prior with his corsican indeoandantist ide1 his falling out with Paoli his expedition in Piedmont Sardigna his time out of job for refusing to participate in the Vendée conflict.
Theres so much of this not really known
It would have been so much better as a mini series
@@Freedmoon44 There is no war between Italy and France, the Italy already surrendered without arm conflict and joined their army to Napoleon's army.
Exactly. You could have made a movie about a single campaign, let alone the multiple wars.
0:48
It was worth the price of admission just to see those two seconds, I remember that taking everyone off guard in the theater lol
shut up
I love the "They tried to kill me!" *points* "They tried to kill him."
Not even kidding, when it became apparent that this movie wasn't as serious or historically accurate, I saw 2 people walk out. I enjoyed it though, it was super funny.
0:32 those punches were some of the worst I’ve seen in a movie😭😭😭
The whole movie was terrible, making a mockery of my idol.
That is actually how some people punch lol
I liked the ones where he was punching his own guard's arm on the doors.
ooof that extra looking right into the lens and then shuffling back to make space for camera crew at 2:22
My first problem with the movie is that they would try to squeeze Napoleon's whole eventful life in 2 to 3 hours. However, watching this short scene would show that there are other issues with the movie. You can hate Napoleon, but do not deny his genius and charisma. Here, he is made to look like an incompetent buffoon.
They should’ve made the battle of Waterloo better like the movie of war and peace.
agree
War and Peace didn't mention the battle of Waterloo, you're referring to the movie of the same name, including the same director as the Soviet film version.
And since the movie is basically a comedy, just play Waterloo by ABBA after it
I'm so glad people are catching onto how much of a turd Ridley Scott has become. Every movie he makes now is just a hot take on history where every male character is either a coward or a complete bastard.
Ridley Scott literally depicts Napoleon as a brave leader who rides headfirst into battle, saber in hand. That is the opposite of portraying as a coward, especially when his enemies in the movie never lead their men in battle.
you dont know what you were talking about an he were tiny
And some people are catching on to what a total loser Napoleon was, despite European narratives of glory and triumph. Nothing more than a deranged delusional demagogue of a tyrant who seized a powerful military from a lost and confused nation, waging total war ending in total defeat at the cost of millions of lives.
He didn’t didn’t lead his men in charges like that, but he was still without doing that@@horsemann7354.
@@horsemann7354 His Napoleon is nothing like the real life man. Where is the charisma, the magnetic attraction? He instead appears more like a military autist, highly gifted for battle, but incapable of charming anyone. And then we have the battles, that happened nowhere near how they are depicted in the film.
By the looks of the comments, a percentage of people dont like this scene (or the film.) But could we give Pheonix creadit when its due? For me its him falling down the stairs before instantly getting back up and running. Good job to him.
Those were stunt stairs. They go through a lot of training.
He is a fantastic actor but he deserves no credit. Actors are meant to embody the character they are playing. He disembodied Napoleon.
@@Jonny-uu7wfI blame Scott Ridley for the absolutely terrible script, Phoenix had potential.
What is Napoleon doing in Britain?!?
They trying to kill me
Now that's a movie when the cameraman is being pushed around too😮😅🎉😊
Richard Sharpe would never allow this to happen
Not soldiering.
He only saw boney in the show
A man who loses the king’s colours loses the king’s friendship.
@@ConfusedRevolutionary I have a cousin at horse guards and I have friends at court.
If Sharpe was french, he would be a marshal by the time of Waterloo
It's like John Wayne playing Genghis Khan. Wasn't the best choice for that part. In Napoleon, I feel like I am watching Johnny Cash playing the part.
Love how Lucien, the president of the chamber, hit the deputies from his podium😂
bro idk why but i laughed at the part where he said ""they tried to kill me" and his brother says "they tried to kill him"
The thumbnail says it all.
Ridley Scott goofed-up on this one.
Joaquin Phoenix is a comedic actor genious
Epic history did it better.
I mean rather than making a speech if he just said "They tried to kill Napoleon." Those Guards would instantly go in there to bash those politicans heads open just because they 'think' about harming Napoleon :D
In reality, while Napoleon was confronting the Council of 500, he was flanked by Grenadiers, and they pulled him cleared and dragged him outside, when the situation started to become ugly.
Portrayed Napoleon like a wuss, horrible movie
2:06 when he is walking back up and backup has arrived. That’s powerful
As French. This anticipated movie is a huge letdown. Really out of context from the History Facts. I remember when I was in high school. We had a test subject about Napoleon Bonaparte and his conquest. I couldn’t fail it
As French. This anticipated movie is a huge letdown. Really out of context from the History Facts. I remember when I was in high school. We had a test subject about Napoleon Bonaparte and his conquest. I couldn’t fail it
I dont understand what you wanted him to do here.
@@Sillytommysadventure In this particular scene he’s about to make a "Coup" which means he was planning to overthrow the Republic Constitution.
According to History books, he made it but apparently not the case in this scene
Lord Larys helped Napoleon stage his coup d'Etat!
Wasn't Murat the one who led the troops in?
"Citizens, you are dissolved!" and "Get this damn fucking ramble out." Really disappointed not to see the "Dandy King" since he commanded the 6,000 troops that surrounded the building.
not to mention that they didnt show that they had to convince the 400 man legislative guard of both councils.@@joshuagrover795
This whole scene looks like something Horrible Histories would do for one of their news skits
I’m gonna go see this one tomorrow-my only qualm with it is that I wish they’d a used more French actors and dialogue…it just doesn’t feel as authentic as it should with him speaking in English all the time! 🤷🏼♂️
Please don't waste your time and money. Worst possible movie made on Napoleon
That too Queens English yikes
@@1hasanraza i’ll take that into consideration, what did this get on rotten tomatoes???
don't mind the stupid negative reviews on social, it's actually a good movie (the best made on Napoleon so far). There are downsides of course (nothing on his immense heritage with regards to culture, politics, law, egyptology etc. nothing on the campaigns of Italy and Spain either, and the portrayal of his relationship with Josephine is a bit awkward), but the 4 battle scenes are great, so are the settings and the costumes) and it depicts a more human Napoleon than any other film. Can't wait for the director's cut version on apple +
@@townsley2 I know, I hear what you’re saying and I totally agree, I’m not really one for that word of mouth shit, I’d rather go see the film myself and draw my own inferences!
If you look at painting and look at the actor as Napoleon you can understand why he looks like that plus we don’t even know his actual face paintings aren’t always accurate
0:50-I love that how he yells ‘Oh f-k!’ in English! 🤣🤣🤣
I love how the whole damn movie is English lol. They couldn't even use a French accent at least 🙄
@@waynedugger7697 Agreed! I mean, I didn’t expect Joaquin, Phoenix to learn French overnight, but Jesus Christ this movie was lazy!
@@KHoltzie lol I'm such a history buff.. and so disappointed in this
@@waynedugger7697 I know I feel like they could’ve pumped a little more authenticity into it, I think Scott just got lazy
@@waynedugger7697 i’m still going to go see it anyway, I don’t like that word of mouth thing, I have to see it with my own two eyes for a genuine inference
"You're telling me that you found the crown of France in the gutter?"
"I did, and I'm tired of pretending I didn't."
I gotta hand it to the guy- Napoleon was all intellect, he was a smart small MFer…every battle is won BEFORE its ever fought! ✊🏻🇫🇷
Napoleon wasn't actually small. He was actually an imposing figure.
5'6" isn't what i call small.. i was honestly thinking he was shorter than that to be honest.
@@KingsStreamWhat??? You don’t think 5’6 is small???
@@KHoltzietodays standards?? Nope
@@KingsStream We’re not talking about today though we’re talking about back then, at least I am
Bro’s like oh F*ck when falling down
i like the fact where he had like 50 old guard on stand by at the door
Napoleon usually keep his most elite guards close to him whenever he go
It's a comedy. I picked up on that in the beginning, and I loved it. Excellent movie.
frankly I really liked this film, I know people gripe about the accuracy, but if anything to me it made napoleon feel more human.
Frankly, there are much better movies about Napoleon's life (for example: 2002 with Christian Clavier)
Except he already feels human as hell if you look at history and respects it, like half the time his quotes on his marshalls depands on his mood one day "this man is the greatest" the next "ive never seen a bigger piece of s in my life".
You read the true history of the coup of Brumaire and realise that the reason why he stole power was because people like Sièyes, Talleyrand, Lucien, Moreau, Murat and Lefebvre i think was on his side, but at one point he totally lost his patience went in too early and kinda failed the diplomatic route as he lost his confidence nothing so dramatic as him running away in disgrace there were grenadier who took him outside and held the door to the corridor while Napoleon came outside and used the excuse that Lucien was held against his will to get the military to aid.
The day prior he slept with 2 loaded pistols because he was preparing for a coup.
He seems bigger than life when you see what he accomplished, but theres a definitive line between depicting him as a lucky power hungry buffoon who is carried by others to where he was, and his talent and genius brought to its best when other people supports him.
Showing incompetance doesnt make you more human, it only makes you more relatable, but we dont need to relate to Napoleon really.
As if smiing him a fussy man-child is the only way to humanize him, there's more to Napoleon then having a food fight with Josephine.
Can i just say. As an English person. I am fully aware this film does miss a lot of campaigns napoleon had, battles.. important battles missed and other rather important details missed.
This is an English made film. While it does miss a lot of key points, it is a fictional film. And it does a good job of being accurate.. mostly.
Napoleon was a dictator. Yes. But i dont think anyone could dispute his cunning mind, he was also decent at war strategies. He propelled his country into a major power. Pissed of us English (and lets be honest thats war matters the most) and grabbed the attention of half the world. Love or hate him. The man has legendary accolades
I always thought "Napoleon was a Joker", but Now I KNOW "Napoleon is the JOKER" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
cant wait to get this on 4k bluray........... a masterpiece.....!!!!!
Is that Larry's clubfoot from fire and blood
Everyone gangsta until the old guard comes🥶
I have to go see this movie-I want to look down and see Josephine’s surprise! 😏😏😏
Those that did not appreciate the light humor in this film do your research on the man that Napolean was. He was known to enjoy humor and be a little goofy at times.
I think the movie kind of captures the spirit of the man and doesn’t look as bad as people say from the clips… I wouldn’t be surprised if it was bad.
i enjoyed the movie tbf
same@@mykosumo9478
The clips are fine, but the movie in its whole was just not good
An american or a british cannot understand the genius of Napoléon. He haunts them.....Forever.
Damn ! Larys strong survived Dance of the Dragons !?
So in the end Larys went to France but where is Aegon??? 😱😂
I will say, the set design, outfits, and acting was really great in this movie.
One of the tell-tale signs of Oscar Bait. But it was released in January. So...🤷♂️
Everything was great except for the script and the portrayal of Napoleon which ruins the entire movie
"Shall we vote". 😉
I implore anyone visiting clips of this trainwreck of a movie to take a gander at Epic History's series on the real story of Napoleon Bonaparte. About 2 months ago, they released a video of the Brumaire Coup and the downfall of the French Directory. The series as a whole is well written, well-illustrated/presented beautifully, and is much more captivating than Ridley Scott's "The Last Airbender."
At 2:02 the window in the center of the shot suddenly goes dark, as if an electrical light is turning off. Anyone know what's going on there?
That's just a video artefact ig
That "Oh! F**K!!!" Destroyed me at 0:48 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This honestly wouldn't be out of place in a Monty Python sketch...
Omfg I’m sorry but the way he tilted his head and sword when “threatening” to kill his brother was honestly hilarious 😂😂
Napoleon's brother is a G
Imagine your general telling you they tried to kill me. While fighting back.
Say what you want about him, Napolean saved the ancient antigies of eqypt from being destoryed. the rosette stone was found because he wanted to perserve the history of egypt
By losing the best of the French Navy in a meaningless invasion what was the first of multiple military disasters for Napoleon, you forgot to mention that part. Because people like you want to ignore the disaster and try to attribute something positive, like a coward who can't face an ugly truth.
@@RidleyScottOwnsFailedDictators Napoleon was a General and not an Admiral. The loss of the fleet at the battle of the Nile is a Navel loss and is the fault of the Admiral in charge, same as Trafalgar.
The same as you can't blame the King or a us president for a loss if the commander on the ground or at sea is the one directing the battle.
@@imperatorsteve Commenter forgot to mention the whole, DISASTER of a DEFEAT part, which is what Egypt was for Napoleon. Napoleon lost the best of the French navy in failed invasion, as Napoleon abandoned his army when things were going terrible, went back to France, pretended that he had conquered Egypt to the French public when Egypt was not subdued, and then manipulatively blamed Kleber for Napoleon's mess and ultimate French defeat in Egypt. Commenter forgot to mention that part, that Napoleon failed to control the area longterm and gave Napoleon enormous undue credit for saving ancient Egyptian history. Because we all know what a great legal scholar and building inspector that Napoleon was, as well as a great Ancient Egyptian Historian.
@RidleyScottOwnsFailedDictators you missed the bit that had the French navy been victorious then the French troops could count on resupply in a hostile region while the French pacified the locals.
Without the fleet there was no chance of resupply or reinforcement.
Yes it became a great propaganda point for Napoleon when he abandoned the dieing army, but it doesn't change the fact that had the fleet admiral done their job and won the battle of the Nile things could have turned out differently
@@RidleyScottOwnsFailedDictatorsImagine having such a SAD and BORING life you make an entire burner account to dickride a shitty director for a shitty movie. It's not about whether or not Napoleon was a good person or a good commander it's about HISTORICAL INACCURACIES.
I admire sir Bonaparte as a great leader and conqueror an emperor has not just sitting in it thrones but also fighting in battle field
I see Jocker cosplaying...😢
History Buffs (UA-cam channel) is going to tear Ridley Scott a new one 😂😂😂
You mean they should tear into the historians who taught you about Napoleon and his "conquests" and not his total defeat. They taught you wrong, because they did not teach you about all the massive disasters and all the wars that Napoleon lost as enemy troops marching down the streets of Paris, France under military occupation, a once juggernaut French military in shambles, a generation's worth of French boys lying in mass graves, France losing territory, France forced to pay massive war reparations, France forced to accept the hated Bourbon Monarchy, as Napoleon dies a broken defeated man on a forsaken island. Who should get torn a new one?
@@RidleyScottOwnsFailedDictators still Ridley. He in fact told historians to "get a life"
@@mahaliadoesitbest2294 Just ignore the pathetic military results and call it a triumph, too cowardly to face an ugly truth.
@@RidleyScottOwnsFailedDictators yeah....I'll send you the link when History Buffs uploads the recap. Ridley might retire afterwards lol
@@mahaliadoesitbest2294 The self denial is way too personal. I mean are you still grieving that your great great great great great French grandfather got hacked to pieces by Spanish guerrillas or something? Only to have France lose the Peninsular War, and the Napoleonic Wars overall as enemy troops march down the streets of Paris. Is that what you do not have the courage to yet admit, that so many French boys died horrible deaths in total defeat? So why don't you justify all the French death and suffering by telling yourself how Napoleon improved the Civil Code for the world, especially the reinstating slavery and the slave trade in his laws, that was certainly noble and enlightening.
Reminded me of Caesar's assassination.
I thought there was going to be more action in the film, I didn’t pay to be back in school and watch a history lesson with some action
He is no Rod Steiger!
Few are.
The soldiers are actual soldiers, they followed orders of their emperor till the very fucking end,mad respect to every single unit, every grenadier, and every Man who fought.
Hate this movie with my heart
Blud did most likey not even watch the movie anyways shut up
Josephloera, it seems that you didnt watch this shit movie.
It was a great film,people just listen to what the media says without watching the film themselves
Archiburges, this time the Media say the truth. It is a Shit movie. Nearly everything in this film was wrong. Even the Soundtrack was Shit. Ridley Scott didnt give a f... for a good Napoleon movie, He is laughing about positiv comments.
The way it was written an the timeline is utter garbage but it is still nice to look at cinema wise an the battle scenes.
This film is a new "fury", despite having a bad and completely inaccurate story, it is an incredible cinematographic work
I don't care what anyone says I love this movie and I will never ever hate this movie.
Your lonely pal.
Something that nobody should do is joke about the French military, just because of one big defeat all of their major victories are forgotten
How did we go from the Duellists to this?
Scotts work on the Duellists gave me such high hopes for Napolean.
Shame.
Ridley Scott is just old. Thats all
He got woke and old@@adamszabo2874
The old guard have the sapper bearskins not the spider logo on it but they fixed the plate but the old guard always uses the spider one which is mabye slightly taller
Now give the budget to a different director that's not American, and make it historically accurate with the same visuals.
beautiful, Lord Larys protecting his brother
im not french and even i feel offended by this movie.
Napoleon was born in the Island Of Corsica. His ancestry was Italian. Of Italian Nobility. His Parents were born on the Italian Mainland..
How are you offended this is the history of French
@@NoahRodriquez I am not offended. I am just stating Napoleon Bonaparte was Italian.
@@AlbertSerafini-pp8cw It's a sore spot for some to acknowledge the irony that the largest figure in French history was in fact Italian.
You've missed the scene "shall we vote" quote.
As far as I can tell this is the only remotely accurate part of the film and that’s not saying much because it only gets a few things right. Napoleon really was at first rejected by the delegates and his brother really did point a dagger at him to motivate the hostile takeover. Obviously it wasn’t as satirical as it was here and obviously the soldiers didn’t just march in and form a a firing squad immediately but it was the only part of the film that made me go “at least they got that right somewhat”.
protect the VIP mode be like
2:00 where did that light come from?
silent Thunder maybe
That looks a little glitchy
Jesus Christ
That fall down the stairs looked painful!!
Average high school student government be like
Least corrupt student government:
General Hux sounding ahh dude
1:20 "THERE TRYNA KILL ME!"
They're Try To Kill Him
By God, they're trying to kill him!!
Такой эпизод действительно произошëл с Наполеоном Бонапартом в реальности. Ридли Скотт в данной сцене ПОЛЬСТИЛ Наполеону. Если герой Хоакина Феникса вырвался из толпы и не дал себя разорвать на куски, то настоящий Наполеон Бонапарт оказался в заложниках у совета пятисот и чуть было не погиб, еслиб не поддержка военных откликнувшишся на зов его брата.
I liked Napoleon, sure it was a little much with the sex and love interest and yes the battle scenes were at most subpar, but I think in the end it was a good movie if you see past all the inaccuracies, I mean I do enjoy a good movie and want them to be as historically accurate as possible. I view this as I view many movies, would I watch the entire thing from start to finish after seeing it in the movie theater? No, I wouldn't, but would I watch the scenes of battles on UA-cam? Yes, I will.
Great. Now we know the scope of Scott's achievement when it's the battle scenes that we care about.
The fact that the movie has alot of Old Guards, Its hilarous
This movie was such overrated garbage. Seems like an incoherent collage hacked together by an art student the night before the project is due.
As French. Couldn’t agree more. This is so out of context. They screwed it up
Now I’m interest on Duke of Wellington journey through Europe
Shut the fuck up its a good movie if your so pissed off how about you watch 1970 waterloo dumb bitch i know half of the movie is napoloen fucking his wife but bro you don't gotta be angry
This movie was supposed to be a nutshell of napoleon. I don't get why people don't understand that.
@@lizardo667 "This movie was supposed to be a nutshell of napoleon."
Well, if it was supposed to be that, it failed, even at that very limited objective. Disastrously so. Are you seriously defending this pile of dogshit of a movie?!
@@antred11 Yeah i am, cause its my opinion. I liked the movie. So stop being a whiny putz and allow me to express my opinion of a movie that i liked.
this scene is fantastic. I have rarely seen such a beautifull scene. Ridley is great. Joachim superb.
Pov: napoleon blown apart
"Oh, f*ck!"
-Napoleon Bonaparte, 1799
the old guard were badass
Garbage movie. Portrayed one of the greatest military generals as some incompetent turd who just achieved everything by luck.
Total garbage.