I know this movie is Balian's story, but the scenes with either Salah ad-Din or Baldwin were the best parts by far. Two men who represent what leadership should be.
it’s hard to imagine that 60 years from this event, the mongols came and exterminated the ayyubids. These badass elite islamic warriors you see was helplessly pounced by more ferocious warriors from the east.
@@mcbrians.8508 many happened in that 60 years. The muslims were pretty much wayy too lacking back then due to peace time..and Mongols arent exactly known for being peaceful people..
@@alexturner7127 - It's the fact, Baldwin will surely die for his body break down, but Saladin also risks himself being on the frontline. - It's different from all those "Yo mama" and people middle finger each other. All barking but no bite.
It's a perfect appeal to rationality, with due respect to Saladin and his army without demeaning himself. "Neither side holds the numerical or technological advantage, so it will come down to willingness to fight. I know your men will fight to the very last without retreat, and I know that if you call an attack you will commit to it until it is done, but I am every bit as determined and every one of my men will take one of yours with them. There is nothing here worth the lives of every one of our soldiers, if you agree to not advance any further, I will return the courtesy."
The thing is that Saladin was too much of an honorable leader, just like Baldwin... There was true respect between them, all the time... If it wasn't for the war, both of them could have been great friends.
Trivia: one of Saladin's personal physicians is the Rabbi Moses Maimonaides, better known as Rambam, probably the most influential scholar in Judaism. So the scene would really be a meeting point of all three Abrahamic traditions.
@@unclephillymya he would have absolutely had thousands of extras fight to the death for sake of authenticity. Hollywood is a tough place to get ahead, but Orlando Bloom got this part by beating Brad Pitt a year earlier in Troy.
There were many times in history when leaders would came straight and confront each other rather to end in full scale bloodsheet. Those days were gone. Today in 21th century. No such chivalry exist.
@@Zagoreni02A yes other leaders like we have today would just go for a full scalee bloodsheet because theyre irresponsible maniacs. At 3:29 Salahdin knew that Baldwin was being genuine. He knew that " withdraw or we will all die here" is just straight facts. Both knew that they two both carried the responsibility of hundreds of thousands of human lives. They were just like "look, we dont have to escalate things here. Lets remember God here for a second. Were not that different in faith and why let all those people die here? yes, we have terms" yea no shit we have terms of course we have terms because they both were smart and real men with a sense of responsibility and close to God/Allah
@@twentytwoedits2442Of course he knew Baldwin was being real, don’t forget he had defeated him already when the King of Jerusalem was 16. That’s part of the reason he has big respect for Baldwin. Salahdin was defeated only a few times in his career. And that one was his biggest. So yeah, Baldwin commanded huge respect even from the Muslim world.. a huge and rare intangible.
At that time, the Arabs were known for their immense leap in healthcare and expertise in human medicine. So when Saladin tells Baldwin that he will “send his physicians” it means that he acted out of pure respect and that Baldwin will get the best possible treatment there was at that time.
@@Bane520 I don't know if you are seriously asking but here are some books you can read: - Wakim, Khalil G. (1 January 1944). "Arabic Medicine in Literature". Bulletin of the Medical Library Association - Campbell, Donald (19 December 2013). Arabian Medicine and Its Influence on the Middle Ages - Conrad, Lawrence I. (2009). The Western medical tradition. - Colgan, Richard (2013). Advice to the Healer: On the Art of Caring. - Alexakos, Konstantinos; Antoine, Wladina (January 2005). "The Golden Age of Islam and Science Teachings" They all talk about the immense leap in science and medecine in the arab world in the middle ages and how it influenced the western world
Doesn't matter how many times I watch this scene, it still causes me awe when both armies arrive to the scene, thousands of banners waving and warriors ready to fight. And the fact it doesn't come down to an actual battle makes it even better.
@@kodesh1674It’s a show of force. Yes, Salahudin and Baldwin respected each other but don’t make the mistake that either of them wouldn’t have attacked if given more ….. favorable conditions.
So many stories of the modern day despise politics. The art of diplomacy as a resort of cowards and backstabbers. Yet it is diplomacy that averts war, ends war and keeps peace far longer than force.
@@kodesh1674because anything can go wrong.....these are 2 different fractions & tensions is high on both sides. If anything happens atleast both army's were present to defend themselves.
It's the way he says it and the way he moves his head. Ed Norton is another breed. Masterful performance everytime he was on the screen and you never even see his face.
@@el34glo59 Always loved this movie but never knew who played the leper guy until I read your comment just now. Norton does great with any role he is given.
Because he knows he’s dying. He has no Fs to give. Imagine negotiating with another king that’s actively dying and says take my offer or everyone here can join me in death.
@@jacobhollar8849 A tactical genius with a massive army on death's door. Salahdin knew that he, Baldwin, and everyone else on that field that day was a dead man walking. If the estimated numbers were to be believed, then hundreds of thousands of men would have died that day.
“Were you not close enough to a great King to learn from his example?” - Sultan Salah ad-Din to Guy de Lusignan The mutual respect and understanding between Baldwin and Salah ad-Din as seen in this scene always gave me chills and reminded me how honorable leaders handle international affairs.
A bit of historical context: This is not the first time Baldwin and Salah ad-Din meet. Five years prior, Salah ad-Din had already attempted an invasion of the kingdom of Jerusalm, but Baldwin, 16 years old, being a leper and heavily outnumbered (contemporary accounts state nearly 10 to 1) utterly defeated him and forced to not retreat but flee back to Egypt. This is known as the battle of Montgisard and referred to by Baldwin when he talks to Balain. Salah ad-Din, the one who united the Muslims of the Outre-Mer by conquering them one by one had learned his lesson, so when Baldwin implores him to retreat, he does not just act out of respect, but also out of reason. No matter how broken the leper king talks, he knows he is still facing the most formidable opponent he ever has, and wisely acts accordingly.
It wasn't 10 to 1 lol, Sources of the battle are pretty dodgy, He was outnumbered for sure but most modern sources agree it was 2:1... Maybe 2.5:1 at worst as the actual number of forces Saladin had were probably closer to 10K and not 20k
Technically Baldwin and Saladin never actually met, their hosts met in battle but the two men never conversed. I also think Baldwin was dead by this point in time, if not then blind and destroyed by leprosy to the point this could never have happened
This is oversimplifying what happened at that battle: 1- The main reason for the defeat was that Salahuddin's soldiers disregarded their positions and went to collect the valuables of the concurred cities and villages around the area, the main army detachment was caught off-guard while crossing a river (Source: Stevenson; The Crusaders in the East; Page 217) and the army was not organized for the battle when the Crusaders made a surprise attack (Source: William E. Welsh; The battle of Montgisard, 1177 A day of terrible slaughter; Medieval Warfare VI-1; Pages 34-35) 2- Salahuddin's army numbers were heavily exaggerated by the Latins (Source: Stevenson; The Crusaders in the East; Page 218 in the footnotes). Modern historians propose that Salahuddin army might have been 26,000 but in the time of the battle he had only 1/3 of them at the battle ground which makes the effective number about 8,500 (Source: William E. Welsh; The battle of Montgisard, 1177 A day of terrible slaughter; Medieval Warfare VI-1; Page 34).
For King Baldwin IV to ride on a horse with full blown leprosy from Jerusalem to Kerak would have been exceedingly dangerous. Leprosy causes severe skin breakdown meaning that Baldwin's legs would be severely compromised with layers of skin falling off after riding a horse. In fact Tiberius recognized this immediately after Baldwin declared "ASSEMBLE THE ARMY" in an earlier scene and implored Baldwin not to make the trip as it very well could have killed him even without a battle taking place.
Also cool to see, whether intentional or not, that while Baldwin's army are riding their horses with great posture you can see Baldwin strained on top of his horse.
I think we need to remember that Baldwin had been riding since he was very young. There was a lot he couldn't do so he focused a lot on riding since it was one thing he was able to do with modifications
You can hear him wheezing after he offers his terms. Salahuddin notices and offers his physicians from hearing this alone. Knowing the toll it took on him to ride all the way, only to ensure blood needn’t be spilt.
Little anectode : salahudin physicians is Moses Maimonides. The greatest jewish rabbi, scholar and physician of the era. It just shows how all three religions have people that just wants peace.
Uh....how do Baldwin, Salahudin, and Maimonides show that all three religions want peace? I get how the rabbi shows it, but the other two are warlords?
@@jaif7327 What's funny about your comment is that, at the time the movie takes place, Baldwin IV was literally a king who was actually just a warlord, while Saladin was literally not a king, but later became one (or the Islamic equivalent) because he was such an effective warlord. To explain, if you care: The Outremer / Crusader kingdoms existed entirely to maintain an avenue for Christian pilgrimage to the Holy Lands. Baldwin IV's entire rule is about him fighting with nobles, fighting with Saladin, and planning invasions of Egypt etc. He did not build, he did not improve people's lives, he did not innovate or progress social order. He conspired to invade Egypt, squabbled with factions, and obsessed over securing his bloodline to get a Baldwin V first born and then proclaimed his successor. We love him because he's a capital-R Romantic figure with his leprosy. But he was also a third-generation foreign leader of an occupied territory, a "coloniser", and a warlord. As for Saladin, yes ultimately he founded the Ayyubid dynasty, but in both the real timeline and the fictionalised timeline of this movie, Saladin is not a king, he's the vizier to the imam-caliph al-Adid of the Fatimid Caliphate, and he got the job because his uncle was the previous vizier and Saladin was good at war. Warlord.
Saladin later conquered Jerusalem. He didn't want peace, he simply kept it until he had an advantage he could press. He was a smart man, if he fought then and there, he would've lost as he couldn't face the full force of the Frankish heavy cavalry at the time of Baldwin.
After watching the fight scenes in The Last Duel, I really wished Ridley Scott made a movie of the 2nd Crusade and the showdown between Saladin and Richard the Lionheart.
I love the qualities shown by these 2 kings. Salah-ha-din wants justice and Baldwin will give it himself. They agree that the crimes of 1 man should not result in the deaths of a thousand others. Good leaders win wars, Great leaders prevent them entirely.
This showed how effective Jerusalem's army was under Baldwin. Once Guy took command after Baldwin's death, the Army of Jerusalem became a broken shadow of its former self, which was illustrated perfectly at Hattin.
Guy was not king Material, he was as stupid as one could get! He had no battle credentials like Baldwin, neither was he anywhere near the wisdom of Baldwin....... Baldwin was a just king! Guy was a joker
Baldwin IV was definitely one of the tragic figures of that era. He had real leadership qualities, didn't live long enough for them to flourish. Kingdom of Jerusalem would have lasted a lot longer if not for his leprosy.
I have never been as impressed by Ed Norton as I was in this film - he acted only with his eyes and his voice and his leper king is so sympathetic that I weep when he dies. Another actor I have seen do something like this was Johnny Depp in The Libertine (who was playing a character so severely disfigured by the end of the story that he also had to act only with his eyes and his voice). He also did a great job there.
@@SZRLM Bruh Karl Urban does not get enough credit for that movie. Not only was it one of the best action movies of the last decade and a half, Urban does all of his acting with just his chin lmao 😂
"I pray you will retire unharmed to Damascus, Raynald of Châtillon will be punished.. I swear it. Withdraw or we will all die here." Powerful and strong words yet a statement that contains wisdom beyond his years. It also contains a great amount of respect for his adversary.
The #1 thing I’ve always taken from this movie, is that no matter how many died, everyone had a level of respect for one another, and I LOVED the scenes like these, no fighting, no shouting or screaming, just a talk
kings to kings yes. but if you actualy watch the movie you know how the average templar tought about the sarasins. thats the reason they had to turn up at karak in the first place.....
The greatest thing about this scene is the respect of how they care for not only the care of their people but their religions and how they spare the price of bloodshed because they trust one another but how they acknowledge each other when it's in war and still have respect for an enemy if the world were more like this today we would not have the wars or misunderstanding of anything
Not correct arguments. Only 7 percent of the wars in entire history were religious wars and that number drops to 3 percent if you exclude islamic wars. Although this movie is very enjoyable to watch, it is full of historic fantasies. Let's not forget that it was made during early post 9-11 era and the clear message the movie gives is Christian-Muslim understanding, which definitely wasn't the case in the Crusades. Sorry to destroy your dreams.
@@JM-qv7fe This movie fantasized a lot of elements, but the chivalric and honorable nature of the portrayals of both King Baldwin IV and Sultan Saladin Ayyubid was very much in line with every contemporary chronicle. Also, when Balian threatened to completely dismantle Jerusalem before he surrendered the city to only watch the inhabitants and knights be butchered was also true. Saladin only convinced Balian to surrender when he swore an oath to occupy the city, allow all armed Christians to leave unharmed, and not sack the churches. Saladin had no real need to honor any conditions of surrender, but he did honor them nonetheless, and preserved the city.
the world *is* like this today, theyre politicians, and few of the people you see arent descended from at least some form of nobility. A captured knight was infinitely more valuable than a dead one, because he was VERY likely the 3rd, 4th, or 5th son of a family with money, and if he had relatives, or a lord who wished to remain in good graces with the knight's family back home, then a sizable ransom could be awarded. In the same fashion, there was incentive to abide by oaths, because then your opponent would be more likely to abide aswell, such as capturing nobility rather than killing or executing them. Peasants really didnt have these protections or expectations of treatment unless they came as a package deal for (in this instance) the population of a city. So it is the same in the modern world, 2 armies abide by certain rules of war because breaking those rules comes with the expectation they will be broken against you in turn. And in modern times, same as then, when non-nations/non-nobility constitute the opposing leadership, these rules cease to exist because one side does not recognize the way nobles do things, and the other doesnt recognize peasants as having the same rights as themselves; same as uniformed armies against insurgencies or guerrilla armies.
@@tomh894Given that Baldwin IV almost ended Saladin's reign and life at Montgisard, it's almost certain the latter did respect him - but he knew also that all he needed to do was to wait until he died.
even more interesting is that Saladin responded the full wa’alaikumsalam as a sign of respect. a non muslim greeting the salam is usually just replied with wa’alaikum only; as per tradition of Prophet Muhammad
"Tell my lord Salahuddin, The Jerusalem has come". This quote is strongly tell us at that time, they wanted Jerusalem so bad. They were like saying they could have won this battle and regain control on Jerusalem. It was for real they wanted this battle to happen. Such confidence
Imagine your life as a regular soldier back then... imagine riding all the way to that god forsaken spot on the dessert... your manager talks to someone.... then riding all the way back. Now imagine you're just the dude carrying that gigantic diamond crusted golden cross. "Fuck this fucking fuck life"
It’s a tragedy that this movie was received so poorly originally, because the cinematic cut had to remove so much pivotal material to bring the running time down. The directors cut of this movie easily makes it one of the best historical movies of all time.
Back in those days it's was just the will of monarch (plus a select group of nobles and to some extent the rich up and coming mercantile class) that made a "nations" decisions. Nowadays leaders have to contend with their fellow politicians and senior civil servants, rich political donors, corporations, middle class voters, political/economic ideologies coming from think tanks, academics and political commentators (journalists, news reporters etc. aka the media) whispering into their ears; all vying in the political rat race for influence over a nation's geopolitical direction.
On google maps, the distance from Jerusalem to kerak is 2 and a half hours by car. Marching an entire army that distance in the desert in full plate and chainmail is utterly insane
not only that but you also need to consider how fast the army is marching because of the supply lines. March too fast and the supplies run thin, go too slow and it will rot and be useless
do you speak arabic? :) Could you maybe translate the saying , Salah aDin said at 2:59 or rather write down the arabic words he was using? I am guessing hes saying something like "Wait here!" or "no further!" or maybe "prepare my Pizza until I get back!" i dont know ;-) It just sounds so cool and i would love to understand and learn! Best regards!
@@Uzeequinox Interesting, I heard حضروهنا which would have the same meaning but literally mean, 'You (all) attend (me) here' I have a feeling you're probably right though
It's always struck me that King Baldwin, the Christian leader, initiates the Arabic expression of wishing one another peace. This is a ruler who was both a gentleman and a gentle man. If the real Baldwin IV was anything like the absolute unit of a man this movie makes him out to be, he is an example all Christian men should look to.
Some Muslim Scholars say that A real muslim cannot reply Wa-Alaikum-Salaam to a non Muslim and here The Great Sallahudin replies to the Great King 'King Baldwin IV' so gracefully ❤❤ Am a Buddhist by Religion but i have great respect for King Sallahudin and King Baldwin 🙏🙏 This Historical Movie is by far the best movie iv ever seen with great dialogues and so much things we could learn from it ... Peace ✌🏻
I wish we had more movies about crusades. There are a lot of great heroes, Beibars, Mesud, Qalaun, Nuradin Zengi, Imam addin Zengi, Kilij Arslan, Aktai, Aibek, Qutuz. And those are only the ones which comes to my mind instantly.
This is one of the most chilling scenes in my memory. The army is so human, so messy, so believable. They're not marching in "exact" columns and rows as seen in the newer movies. It is so powerful.
This is one of those scenes that I come back to time and time again: It is so well shot, and it is such a small, yet such crucial moment to witness. How Baldwin immediately moves to punish Reynauld as promised, how he gives God's salute as a sign of respect to Salaaddin's restraint, and how impressive both armies look. My only complaint is the need to remind the audience of who Salaaddin is by Eva Green, I've always found 02:55 to be very jarring as opposed to the rest even if that shot also gave us a wide view of the battlefield from the castle.
A great scene of a great movie that portrays two great men. what makes it more amazing is thats its so real: these men really existed and were even greater than they're portrayed in some scenes of this movie. Fantastic!
You sure about that. From an accuracy standpoint it gets almost nothing right. Balian, Baldwin, Guy, even Saladin is questionable with some of his moments.
@@perennem_equitem_57 you show me a Hollywood movie they don’t butcher. Most historical movies are wrong, but the story was fine. I loved it, but I don’t have a Ph.D in history on the crusades either. I’m just a regular dude. I like to drink beer. I love my family. Rock, flag, and eagle right?🇺🇸😆
@@somedude9576 hell yeah brother, rock, flag, and eagle. I'm just mentioning my criticism. Also while it isn't a Hollywood movie watch waterloo if you haven't, great movie and is accurate to napoleon.
Hi! Do you speak arabian language?:) Could you maybe tell me the arabic words, Salah din was saying to his men at 02:59 ? That would be so kind! :) I would love to learn!
the two of them are even close to each other. Baldwin and Saladin get respect from religious leaders, both Muslims and Christians. Even though they have different beliefs, they are friends and understand each other. ❤
Just watched for the first time. So good. Very good lessons about what it takes to be a true man of courage. He walked into a war, by taking his fathers place and saved an entire cities people and then disappeared.
@paullwebber ... Ghassan Massoud (Arabic: غسّان مسعود / ALA-LC: Ghassān Masʻūd) is a Syrian actor and filmmaker. He is best known in the West for his role as Saladin in Ridley Scott's 2005 film Kingdom of Heaven. Where is Ghassan Massoud today? He studied in Finland and Germany before returning to his hometown of Damascus, where he lives now. Ghassan did an outstanding job playing the role of Salah ad-Din and is a great actor overall in whatever role he plays. He's truly underrated to say the least!
The amount of respect i have for King Baldwin is massive to be 16 and King of Jerusalem is amazing and he was a great King aswell he protected the innocent and helpless, if there is a heaven Baldwin is definitely up there for sure
@@AlyssMa7rin perhaps in a retelling i have yet to read. in most, he is a commoner that is subject to Prince John's cruelty while King Richard is away, and is truly loyal to the latter. in some, he is a lord that is stricken, i have yet to see him as a Lord Protector.
@@THOR_THE-GOD_OF_THUNDERR yeah I tell you why.. arabian bowman can't penetrate a full amor sword at arms or a knight.. you never underestimate the strenght of those soldiers and their equipments like what Baldwin said they will die all there Saladdin is already underpressure from different sultans and caliphs about his promise to retake Jerusalem so they lend him soldiers if he fight Baldwin in Kerak the loss on both sides would be devastating enough to disband Saladdin's army also the sultans and caliphs will pull put their support from it and the chances of retaking Jerusalem will be all gone..
@@adeptusastartes1392 Yeah, crusaders had the heavy armor, which made them more difficult in an upfront melee battle, especially when they were part of a solidified unit. The Saracens best hopes were for a more open and mountainous environment, where they could scatter the Crusader formations with arrows, arson and other guerrilla attacks, then launch a co-ordinated melee against whatever was left (I believe that's what they did in Hattin).
It's because he knew from personal experience (his own loss to Baldwin) and all the other Muslim leaders losses that a small army of Templars can obliterate a large Muslim army. I listened to a 12 hour audio book series on the crusaders and it was pretty amazing how such small forces could overcome a army that vastly outnumbered them.
@@dontcare7086 It's not so much that a small army can obliterate a larger Muslim one, it's about conditions on the battlefield. In a straight up, close-quarter battle, crusaders are better, because of their heavier armor, swordsmanship and power advantage, whereas in a more mountainous environment, the saracens have the advantage because of their mobility and expertise in guerilla warfare. There were battles, where outnumbered Christians defeated Saracen armies and conversely, there were also battles where outnumbered Saracens defeated Christian armies.
There is no such scene as a scene, with two human spirits in us. The best moments with an old movie, whenever you are, capture such a good moment in your soul. There is nothing in a new movie like the spirit that is being made as a party in our hearts, with the best movies of real acting and faith that never stops in our narrative and poetic soul, which thirsts for the best moments, such as this one. Such a good masterpiece.
As a Muslim , Baldwin is the Christian I respect the most in History, One might have heard of the Legend of Arthur or even the Wisdom of King Richard.... But Baldwin the Boy king was best.....unfortunately we do not have people like Baldwin or Saladdin these days ( they may have had their flaws ) but neither of them was a hypocrite , or spread corruption on earth....and that is enough for me.
Ah yes, this art-house movie is bad because historically inaccurate. Yet movie 300 is worshipped and praised by manchildren for naked Spartans fighting in leather bikinis.
I'm old and seen a shit ton of good movies with great cinematic scenes. This is one of my all time favorites. Seeing the gold glinting cross and slow zoom in to hundreds of thousands of the Templars in their white armor. Just a really cool looking scene.
I love the small details of this movie. Like how Baldwin's shield bearers in the front ranks all have dents in their shields. It signifies to me that they're all experienced fighters who have been through battle before and have faith in the capability of their equipment.
You know why leaders back than were, generally speaking, more impressive? It's because it was required to be in the battlefield, meaning you had to be at risk. That not only eliminates leaders who are all talk, but it also ensures that when a king decides to go to war, he might suffer the immediate consequences for it
I don’t know much about the crusades, 🤷🏼♂️. I do know that when fighting the Goths and Visigoths, Alexander the Great would maneuver his army for months before fighting the battle, with the enemy in sight the entire time. Ya had to be with your men, and moving with them, that’s impressive. Napoleon went into Egypt fought his way half way around the mediterranean, and when his army was too depleted to continue, he abandoned them and caught a ship back to France, not impressive.
@@CDs_UA-cam_ The stakes of war in Alexander's time were far higher, that is why a leader couldn't afford to be rash in decisions or else he and his people would die
@@ReiseLukas Maybe 🤔. However, they could hardly afford to lose even a small % of their fighting force because the mission was to secure Roman tribute from the region, (20% of the crops and other 💩 had to be sent to Rome.) Thus, the victory had to be decisive with a remaining fighting force large enough to justify this demand. Tribute would usually be secured by taking the leaders of the region back to Rome, pardoning them, and placing them in the position of securing Rome’s tribute from the region. Additionally, ya needed a couple hundred men to build one of those victory arches they were known for erecting as a demonstration of the technical prowess. While the death of the general was likely a consideration, I’m fairly certain the bolstering of a general’s political ambition through securing tribute for Rome was the primary driving force. Also fairly certain if 💩 started really doing south, they would just turn around and go home. 🤓 I read a couple books on the subject and that’s pretty much what they said, but I could be wrong, it’s happened before, just ask my wife, 🤣.
Imagine seeing a giant ass army pull up on your city and you see one man talk to them and they all just bounce. As a peasant thats gotta be mind blowing.
As soon as Salah Ad-Din sees Baldwin he knows the only option is to retire. Even if he won the war here, the army would be destroyed. The fact Baldwin had shown himself at that battlefield was a show of determination alone in the negotiation, he knew what it meant for King Baldwin to be there, his opening line is bluster. Subtle acting and extremely effective
This man is riding around in the blistering heat with leprosy and In armor. Most people today couldn’t even handle going outside their house with this condition let alone ride around and lead an army to the battlefield and back. People were just different back then. We are so soft compared to them in that generation it’s un real.
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Alhamdulillah the Muslims are still like this but Astagfirullah the Christians and their ju masters are still like this too.
We are here
I know this movie is Balian's story, but the scenes with either Salah ad-Din or Baldwin were the best parts by far. Two men who represent what leadership should be.
Tbf Balian was nearly up there with them in terms of greatness as a character
@@garethmcguinness377 Yes. I love the moment also while Baldwin is saying: Assemble the army. It means so much then.
it’s hard to imagine that 60 years from this event, the mongols came and exterminated the ayyubids. These badass elite islamic warriors you see was helplessly pounced by more ferocious warriors from the east.
@@mcbrians.8508 many happened in that 60 years. The muslims were pretty much wayy too lacking back then due to peace time..and Mongols arent exactly known for being peaceful people..
@@garethmcguinness377poorly cast
I like how Baldwin doesn't threaten or insult him. He says, "we will all die here." He allows Saladin to withdraw without injury to his pride.
Diplomacy at it's finest.
If you say “Withdraw or we will all die here”, that’s a threat of the highest order…. 🤷♂️
he did not allow anything, just stated simple facts....they both recognized life over death, and respected each other for it.
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- It's the fact, Baldwin will surely die for his body break down, but Saladin also risks himself being on the frontline.
- It's different from all those "Yo mama" and people middle finger each other. All barking but no bite.
It's a perfect appeal to rationality, with due respect to Saladin and his army without demeaning himself.
"Neither side holds the numerical or technological advantage, so it will come down to willingness to fight. I know your men will fight to the very last without retreat, and I know that if you call an attack you will commit to it until it is done, but I am every bit as determined and every one of my men will take one of yours with them. There is nothing here worth the lives of every one of our soldiers, if you agree to not advance any further, I will return the courtesy."
"I will send you my physicians...." a huge amount of respect between enemy kings.
they're not enemies
I was going to say this...
The thing is that Saladin was too much of an honorable leader, just like Baldwin... There was true respect between them, all the time... If it wasn't for the war, both of them could have been great friends.
That's nice to see, respect between enemies, I don't see it nowadays.
Trivia: one of Saladin's personal physicians is the Rabbi Moses Maimonaides, better known as Rambam, probably the most influential scholar in Judaism. So the scene would really be a meeting point of all three Abrahamic traditions.
The fact that they agreed, just saved the movie budget for a $20 million huge CGI battle!!
Great financial planners they were
Ridley Scott doesn’t need CGI
"Withdraw, or we will all fight the producers bankrupt here. Do we have terms?"
@@unclephillymya he would have absolutely had thousands of extras fight to the death for sake of authenticity. Hollywood is a tough place to get ahead, but Orlando Bloom got this part by beating Brad Pitt a year earlier in Troy.
George Lucas: hold my wallet!
These men are the definition of "I have no enemies" at its finest. Both great leaders and strong army rulers, but also humble heart warriors.
Salah'a din was know to be a 'very Charismatic Persona, certain people still admire him today' 🙏 🌞
Can’t be a general without seeing death. Loved and lost men.
2 real men being fully aware of the responsibility they carry. truly admirable
There were many times in history when leaders would came straight and confront each other rather to end in full scale bloodsheet. Those days were gone. Today in 21th century. No such chivalry exist.
@@Zagoreni02A yes other leaders like we have today would just go for a full scalee bloodsheet because theyre irresponsible maniacs. At 3:29 Salahdin knew that Baldwin was being genuine. He knew that " withdraw or we will all die here" is just straight facts. Both knew that they two both carried the responsibility of hundreds of thousands of human lives. They were just like "look, we dont have to escalate things here. Lets remember God here for a second. Were not that different in faith and why let all those people die here? yes, we have terms" yea no shit we have terms of course we have terms because they both were smart and real men with a sense of responsibility and close to God/Allah
today we are smart not stupid, we have military with guns, its a death wish to meet eacher other on the front line @@Zagoreni02A
@@twentytwoedits2442Of course he knew Baldwin was being real, don’t forget he had defeated him already when the King of Jerusalem was 16. That’s part of the reason he has big respect for Baldwin. Salahdin was defeated only a few times in his career. And that one was his biggest. So yeah, Baldwin commanded huge respect even from the Muslim world.. a huge and rare intangible.
Wasnt no deranged people as bad as today simple things were understood
At that time, the Arabs were known for their immense leap in healthcare and expertise in human medicine. So when Saladin tells Baldwin that he will “send his physicians” it means that he acted out of pure respect and that Baldwin will get the best possible treatment there was at that time.
Source?
@@Bane520 first page of google, islam golden age was known for their advancements in medicine.
@@Bane520 I don't know if you are seriously asking but here are some books you can read:
- Wakim, Khalil G. (1 January 1944). "Arabic Medicine in Literature". Bulletin of the Medical Library Association
- Campbell, Donald (19 December 2013). Arabian Medicine and Its Influence on the Middle Ages
- Conrad, Lawrence I. (2009). The Western medical tradition.
- Colgan, Richard (2013). Advice to the Healer: On the Art of Caring.
- Alexakos, Konstantinos; Antoine, Wladina (January 2005). "The Golden Age of Islam and Science Teachings"
They all talk about the immense leap in science and medecine in the arab world in the middle ages and how it influenced the western world
@@Bane520 The source is history, you dimwit.
History a quick google will do.@@Bane520
Doesn't matter how many times I watch this scene, it still causes me awe when both armies arrive to the scene, thousands of banners waving and warriors ready to fight. And the fact it doesn't come down to an actual battle makes it even better.
Rationality overrides the personal ego.
So why bring the whole army if not going to fight. Generally confused 😕
@@kodesh1674It’s a show of force. Yes, Salahudin and Baldwin respected each other but don’t make the mistake that either of them wouldn’t have attacked if given more ….. favorable conditions.
So many stories of the modern day despise politics. The art of diplomacy as a resort of cowards and backstabbers.
Yet it is diplomacy that averts war, ends war and keeps peace far longer than force.
@@kodesh1674because anything can go wrong.....these are 2 different fractions & tensions is high on both sides. If anything happens atleast both army's were present to defend themselves.
"do we have terms?" why does it sound so badass?
It's the way he says it and the way he moves his head. Ed Norton is another breed. Masterful performance everytime he was on the screen and you never even see his face.
@@el34glo59 Always loved this movie but never knew who played the leper guy until I read your comment just now.
Norton does great with any role he is given.
Because he knows he’s dying. He has no Fs to give. Imagine negotiating with another king that’s actively dying and says take my offer or everyone here can join me in death.
@@jacobhollar8849 A tactical genius with a massive army on death's door. Salahdin knew that he, Baldwin, and everyone else on that field that day was a dead man walking. If the estimated numbers were to be believed, then hundreds of thousands of men would have died that day.
“Were you not close enough to a great King to learn from his example?”
- Sultan Salah ad-Din to Guy de Lusignan
The mutual respect and understanding between Baldwin and Salah ad-Din as seen in this scene always gave me chills and reminded me how honorable leaders handle international affairs.
A king does kill a king.
A lot of Saladin's lines in this flick are things he actually said.
A bit of historical context:
This is not the first time Baldwin and Salah ad-Din meet. Five years prior, Salah ad-Din had already attempted an invasion of the kingdom of Jerusalm, but Baldwin, 16 years old, being a leper and heavily outnumbered (contemporary accounts state nearly 10 to 1) utterly defeated him and forced to not retreat but flee back to Egypt. This is known as the battle of Montgisard and referred to by Baldwin when he talks to Balain. Salah ad-Din, the one who united the Muslims of the Outre-Mer by conquering them one by one had learned his lesson, so when Baldwin implores him to retreat, he does not just act out of respect, but also out of reason. No matter how broken the leper king talks, he knows he is still facing the most formidable opponent he ever has, and wisely acts accordingly.
It wasn't 10 to 1 lol, Sources of the battle are pretty dodgy, He was outnumbered for sure but most modern sources agree it was 2:1... Maybe 2.5:1 at worst as the actual number of forces Saladin had were probably closer to 10K and not 20k
@@VelcroReacts State your sources
Technically Baldwin and Saladin never actually met, their hosts met in battle but the two men never conversed. I also think Baldwin was dead by this point in time, if not then blind and destroyed by leprosy to the point this could never have happened
"United" ... Yikes.
This is oversimplifying what happened at that battle:
1- The main reason for the defeat was that Salahuddin's soldiers disregarded their positions and went to collect the valuables of the concurred cities and villages around the area, the main army detachment was caught off-guard while crossing a river (Source: Stevenson; The Crusaders in the East; Page 217) and the army was not organized for the battle when the Crusaders made a surprise attack (Source: William E. Welsh; The battle of Montgisard, 1177 A day of terrible slaughter; Medieval Warfare VI-1; Pages 34-35)
2- Salahuddin's army numbers were heavily exaggerated by the Latins (Source: Stevenson; The Crusaders in the East; Page 218 in the footnotes). Modern historians propose that Salahuddin army might have been 26,000 but in the time of the battle he had only 1/3 of them at the battle ground which makes the effective number about 8,500 (Source: William E. Welsh; The battle of Montgisard, 1177 A day of terrible slaughter; Medieval Warfare VI-1; Page 34).
For King Baldwin IV to ride on a horse with full blown leprosy from Jerusalem to Kerak would have been exceedingly dangerous. Leprosy causes severe skin breakdown meaning that Baldwin's legs would be severely compromised with layers of skin falling off after riding a horse. In fact Tiberius recognized this immediately after Baldwin declared "ASSEMBLE THE ARMY" in an earlier scene and implored Baldwin not to make the trip as it very well could have killed him even without a battle taking place.
Also cool to see, whether intentional or not, that while Baldwin's army are riding their horses with great posture you can see Baldwin strained on top of his horse.
@@pedropau288I feel bad for Baldwin but for some reason when baldwin is riding the horse sides it looks so badass he was a bad mofo what a leader
I think we need to remember that Baldwin had been riding since he was very young. There was a lot he couldn't do so he focused a lot on riding since it was one thing he was able to do with modifications
You can hear him wheezing after he offers his terms. Salahuddin notices and offers his physicians from hearing this alone. Knowing the toll it took on him to ride all the way, only to ensure blood needn’t be spilt.
And he just goes straight up to the leader with death or terms. Pained calmness is crazy.
Feel bad for the dude holding that giant cross. His arms were probably killing him the entire ride
Tell that to Christ.
it mounted was on some sort of carriage
Lol its mounted in a platform or something and they are pulling/pushing it with several people
Still fuck that
Lol
Little anectode : salahudin physicians is Moses Maimonides. The greatest jewish rabbi, scholar and physician of the era. It just shows how all three religions have people that just wants peace.
Uh....how do Baldwin, Salahudin, and Maimonides show that all three religions want peace? I get how the rabbi shows it, but the other two are warlords?
@@gospelofrye6881 theyre kings not warlords their reigns were sanctified and justified other than simply through a monopoly on violence
@@jaif7327 What's funny about your comment is that, at the time the movie takes place, Baldwin IV was literally a king who was actually just a warlord, while Saladin was literally not a king, but later became one (or the Islamic equivalent) because he was such an effective warlord.
To explain, if you care:
The Outremer / Crusader kingdoms existed entirely to maintain an avenue for Christian pilgrimage to the Holy Lands. Baldwin IV's entire rule is about him fighting with nobles, fighting with Saladin, and planning invasions of Egypt etc. He did not build, he did not improve people's lives, he did not innovate or progress social order. He conspired to invade Egypt, squabbled with factions, and obsessed over securing his bloodline to get a Baldwin V first born and then proclaimed his successor. We love him because he's a capital-R Romantic figure with his leprosy. But he was also a third-generation foreign leader of an occupied territory, a "coloniser", and a warlord.
As for Saladin, yes ultimately he founded the Ayyubid dynasty, but in both the real timeline and the fictionalised timeline of this movie, Saladin is not a king, he's the vizier to the imam-caliph al-Adid of the Fatimid Caliphate, and he got the job because his uncle was the previous vizier and Saladin was good at war. Warlord.
Im from Córdoba like maimonides ✌️. Greetings from Spain friend
Saladin later conquered Jerusalem. He didn't want peace, he simply kept it until he had an advantage he could press. He was a smart man, if he fought then and there, he would've lost as he couldn't face the full force of the Frankish heavy cavalry at the time of Baldwin.
This movie is perfect. From the beginning to the very end. I’ll never get tired of watching it
After watching the fight scenes in The Last Duel, I really wished Ridley Scott made a movie of the 2nd Crusade and the showdown between Saladin and Richard the Lionheart.
@@user-uy1rg8td1v That was during the third Crusade, buddy
The longer directors cut is even better
Me too!
I love the qualities shown by these 2 kings. Salah-ha-din wants justice and Baldwin will give it himself. They agree that the crimes of 1 man should not result in the deaths of a thousand others.
Good leaders win wars, Great leaders prevent them entirely.
in real life that didnt go down because salahildeen didnt think he couldve won at that time.
@@batmansuperman290That’s nonsense. Both of them are well respected leaders.
We must master the art of peace in addition to the art of war. That is the Turtle Hermit way.
@@batmansuperman290 The same way that if Baldwin thought it was an easy victory for him there wouldn't have been an offer to begin with.
"The greatest victory is that which requires no battle" -Sun Tzu
This showed how effective Jerusalem's army was under Baldwin.
Once Guy took command after Baldwin's death, the Army of Jerusalem became a broken shadow of its former self, which was illustrated perfectly at Hattin.
Guy was not king Material, he was as stupid as one could get!
He had no battle credentials like Baldwin, neither was he anywhere near the wisdom of Baldwin.......
Baldwin was a just king! Guy was a joker
Guy was just a guy
@@minoreror9961 Couldn't have said it better myself.
Baldwin IV was definitely one of the tragic figures of that era. He had real leadership qualities, didn't live long enough for them to flourish. Kingdom of Jerusalem would have lasted a lot longer if not for his leprosy.
@@douglassun8456 🙏
I have never been as impressed by Ed Norton as I was in this film - he acted only with his eyes and his voice and his leper king is so sympathetic that I weep when he dies. Another actor I have seen do something like this was Johnny Depp in The Libertine (who was playing a character so severely disfigured by the end of the story that he also had to act only with his eyes and his voice). He also did a great job there.
Not even American History X.. don't be so over dramatic will you
Then people says Andrew Garfield deserves an Oscar but he just cant keep His Spiderman's mask ok His face
I mean Hugo Weaving most notably in V for Vendetta or Karl Urban in Dredd.
@@SZRLM Bruh Karl Urban does not get enough credit for that movie. Not only was it one of the best action movies of the last decade and a half, Urban does all of his acting with just his chin lmao 😂
I have watched this movie countless times and today I learnt that Edward Norton played King Baldwin. I had no idea.
"I pray you will retire unharmed to Damascus, Raynald of Châtillon will be punished.. I swear it. Withdraw or we will all die here." Powerful and strong words yet a statement that contains wisdom beyond his years. It also contains a great amount of respect for his adversary.
written in the history nobody ever win War with Muslims .. ALLAHUAKHBAR (ALLAH is Greatest ) !!!
The #1 thing I’ve always taken from this movie, is that no matter how many died, everyone had a level of respect for one another, and I LOVED the scenes like these, no fighting, no shouting or screaming, just a talk
Just so true to reality too there. Baldwin and Saladin were both as notorious for chivalry and honor respectively as King Richard the Lionheart was
kings to kings yes. but if you actualy watch the movie you know how the average templar tought about the sarasins. thats the reason they had to turn up at karak in the first place.....
Both armies be like it could have been an email
haha :D
"Send a raven"
LOL
King Baldwin: "I didn't want you to think that I was deliberately wasting your time."
Just accidentally wasting it
The greatest thing about this scene is the respect of how they care for not only the care of their people but their religions and how they spare the price of bloodshed because they trust one another but how they acknowledge each other when it's in war and still have respect for an enemy if the world were more like this today we would not have the wars or misunderstanding of anything
Not correct arguments. Only 7 percent of the wars in entire history were religious wars and that number drops to 3 percent if you exclude islamic wars.
Although this movie is very enjoyable to watch, it is full of historic fantasies. Let's not forget that it was made during early post 9-11 era and the clear message the movie gives is Christian-Muslim understanding, which definitely wasn't the case in the Crusades. Sorry to destroy your dreams.
@@JM-qv7fe This movie fantasized a lot of elements, but the chivalric and honorable nature of the portrayals of both King Baldwin IV and Sultan Saladin Ayyubid was very much in line with every contemporary chronicle. Also, when Balian threatened to completely dismantle Jerusalem before he surrendered the city to only watch the inhabitants and knights be butchered was also true. Saladin only convinced Balian to surrender when he swore an oath to occupy the city, allow all armed Christians to leave unharmed, and not sack the churches. Saladin had no real need to honor any conditions of surrender, but he did honor them nonetheless, and preserved the city.
the world *is* like this today, theyre politicians, and few of the people you see arent descended from at least some form of nobility. A captured knight was infinitely more valuable than a dead one, because he was VERY likely the 3rd, 4th, or 5th son of a family with money, and if he had relatives, or a lord who wished to remain in good graces with the knight's family back home, then a sizable ransom could be awarded. In the same fashion, there was incentive to abide by oaths, because then your opponent would be more likely to abide aswell, such as capturing nobility rather than killing or executing them. Peasants really didnt have these protections or expectations of treatment unless they came as a package deal for (in this instance) the population of a city.
So it is the same in the modern world, 2 armies abide by certain rules of war because breaking those rules comes with the expectation they will be broken against you in turn. And in modern times, same as then, when non-nations/non-nobility constitute the opposing leadership, these rules cease to exist because one side does not recognize the way nobles do things, and the other doesnt recognize peasants as having the same rights as themselves; same as uniformed armies against insurgencies or guerrilla armies.
I have this feeling the respect wasn't historically accurate
@@tomh894Given that Baldwin IV almost ended Saladin's reign and life at Montgisard, it's almost certain the latter did respect him - but he knew also that all he needed to do was to wait until he died.
Another interesting thing to note is that Baldwin said peace be upon you in Arabic in the most formal and traditional of the three greetings
What are the three greetings?
@@azharmandeel8030 Marhaba, Ahlan, and As-salaam 'alykum
even more interesting is that Saladin responded the full wa’alaikumsalam as a sign of respect.
a non muslim greeting the salam is usually just replied with wa’alaikum only; as per tradition of Prophet Muhammad
@@pcyden986 i would time travel back and just watch these two in admiration. they couldve attacked each other. but they chose NOT to.
😊
"Tell my lord Salahuddin, The Jerusalem has come". This quote is strongly tell us at that time, they wanted Jerusalem so bad. They were like saying they could have won this battle and regain control on Jerusalem. It was for real they wanted this battle to happen. Such confidence
they want the battle, but not expecting big balls Baldwin, if Baldwin was not present maybe the battle would commence.
Two armies of hundreds of thousands of men each lead by a tactical genius. Casualties would have been in the 6 figures.
I mean its also called the Kingdom of Jerusalem...
This movie is far more popular now than in the 2000s when it came out. American and the world is starving for epics like this again
Imagine your life as a regular soldier back then... imagine riding all the way to that god forsaken spot on the dessert... your manager talks to someone.... then riding all the way back. Now imagine you're just the dude carrying that gigantic diamond crusted golden cross. "Fuck this fucking fuck life"
🤣
imagine being a foot soldier and walking there.
😂😂😂
It would have been a tremendous honor to carry that cross for any crusader.
Is a long walk back worse than fighting a bloody battle with a good chance of dying?
I love how both Salahuddin and Baldwin both take the lead they were true leader's
Its Salahuddin ….
@@salmanshah3846 thank you I will correct it
It’s a tragedy that this movie was received so poorly originally, because the cinematic cut had to remove so much pivotal material to bring the running time down. The directors cut of this movie easily makes it one of the best historical movies of all time.
Getting a bastard to marry your half sister was kinda wild and pissed people off.
"withdraw or we will all die here" is one of my favorite movie lines.
"Do we have terms?" Baldwin says with his head cocked back in dignity
I really love the Queen softly whisper Salahudin's name. It really give weight of how MEANGINGFUL and known that name is.
That and because her brother defeated him when he was only 16
@@alexmason2659who cares lol
@@alexmason2659who won
@@cliffysfatherIsrael
@@JM-dy4ty
youtube being the obvious zionist ran company it is deleted my comments, what a shock.
Powerful scene in history. Two cool and respectful heads avoided war by talking. Our modern day politicians have much to learn.
This is a movie, you know?
@froyothepro5615 It may be based on actual events but it is heavily dramatized for cinematic effect.
Imposible teach when the students refuse to acknowledge
Back in those days it's was just the will of monarch (plus a select group of nobles and to some extent the rich up and coming mercantile class) that made a "nations" decisions.
Nowadays leaders have to contend with their fellow politicians and senior civil servants, rich political donors, corporations, middle class voters, political/economic ideologies coming from think tanks, academics and political commentators (journalists, news reporters etc. aka the media) whispering into their ears; all vying in the political rat race for influence over a nation's geopolitical direction.
Leaving their egos out of the equation.
True leaders. They respect each other and know that loses matter.
Back when "I swear it" means something.
"Withdraw or we all will die here"...A leader more concerned with the lives of his men than his own glory
On google maps, the distance from Jerusalem to kerak is 2 and a half hours by car. Marching an entire army that distance in the desert in full plate and chainmail is utterly insane
not only that but you also need to consider how fast the army is marching because of the supply lines. March too fast and the supplies run thin, go too slow and it will rot and be useless
And then that guy with the giant Cross… I can almost hear: “fuck this fucking fuck life”
That وَعَلَيْكُم ٱلسَّلَامُ gives me goosbumps.
do you speak arabic? :)
Could you maybe translate the saying , Salah aDin said at 2:59 or rather write down the arabic words he was using? I am guessing hes saying something like "Wait here!" or "no further!" or maybe "prepare my Pizza until I get back!" i dont know ;-)
It just sounds so cool and i would love to understand and learn!
Best regards!
He says wait here, انتظر هنا
RESPECT
@@Uzeequinox Interesting, I heard حضروهنا which would have the same meaning but literally mean, 'You (all) attend (me) here'
I have a feeling you're probably right though
@@captainkirk7513 He said Wait here. you were correct.
No computers, no CGI, no Hollywood magic. Just 20,000 horses and 400,000 extras doing their job to make a movie.
😂
their job in this scene was to stand in a field and walk away. Best $20 ever made
Lol there’s definitely cgi in this scene bro
@@carloz2296 woosh
@@carloz2296 who
asked
Baldwin and Salah ad-Din were really the only reason I got into this movie. I'd love to see Norton portray Baldwin again.
this movie is so underated,the extended edition is a MASTERPIECE
I like how Baldwin sounds so non threatening but his posture, tone, abd mask guarantees he means what he says but so politely.
True gentleman.
If memory serves, that giant cross is supposed to carry a piece of the True Cross, So they basically carry it around as a mascot to hype up the men.
Yes it’s the relic of the true cross
As a "talisman" would be more accurate.
That's badass
si chiama reliquia, cogggglione
Sadly what was left of the True Cross was lost at the Battle of Hattin shortly after this event.
It's always struck me that King Baldwin, the Christian leader, initiates the Arabic expression of wishing one another peace. This is a ruler who was both a gentleman and a gentle man. If the real Baldwin IV was anything like the absolute unit of a man this movie makes him out to be, he is an example all Christian men should look to.
1:37 That cross glowing the background gave me goosebumps
I love how you can see the golden cross in the back, when he says "but you will die there, my master is here"
Mad respect among warriors. For a Christian King to say the Muslim greetings took a lot of character and respect. Saladin had to respect him.
Something about this movie was shot..was very eerie..yet very picturesque
Baldwin's incredible insight and communication skills at such a young age ... I'm in awe
One of the best ever scenes between two kings! The producer knows what is doin:)
Some Muslim Scholars say that A real muslim cannot reply Wa-Alaikum-Salaam to a non Muslim and here The Great Sallahudin replies to the Great King 'King Baldwin IV' so gracefully ❤❤ Am a Buddhist by Religion but i have great respect for King Sallahudin and King Baldwin 🙏🙏 This Historical Movie is by far the best movie iv ever seen with great dialogues and so much things we could learn from it ... Peace ✌🏻
I am also Buddhist and greatest king of Buddhist was Great King Ashok
It is not true that muslims don't salute back alikum salam to non-muslimsq
It's Ashoka, Vivek. Just like you say Buddha and not Buddh.
"The greatest victory is that which requires no battle." - Sun Tzu (The Art of War)
King Baldwin had such weight to bare. In so much pain but still doing his duties keeping the peace. That sigh of relief was mixed with pain.
I wish that modern religion would be like the relationship between Badlwin and Saladin. Just both at least respecting each other.
“The Jerusalem has come” moment is so powerful! I got shivers every time I rewatch the movie.
I wish we had more movies about crusades. There are a lot of great heroes, Beibars, Mesud, Qalaun, Nuradin Zengi, Imam addin Zengi, Kilij Arslan, Aktai, Aibek, Qutuz. And those are only the ones which comes to my mind instantly.
Richard the Lionheart, Philip II, Frederick I,
@@SaintThomasAquinas1 Thanks Tom!
This is one of the most chilling scenes in my memory. The army is so human, so messy, so believable. They're not marching in "exact" columns and rows as seen in the newer movies. It is so powerful.
This is one of those scenes that I come back to time and time again: It is so well shot, and it is such a small, yet such crucial moment to witness. How Baldwin immediately moves to punish Reynauld as promised, how he gives God's salute as a sign of respect to Salaaddin's restraint, and how impressive both armies look. My only complaint is the need to remind the audience of who Salaaddin is by Eva Green, I've always found 02:55 to be very jarring as opposed to the rest even if that shot also gave us a wide view of the battlefield from the castle.
Oh my god, when King Baldwin comes in with JERUSALEM haha, seeing that golden cross just gets my faith burning with the intensity of a thousand suns
Shame they all lost in the end
So….they had to fall, to lose it all, but in the end, it didn’t even matter.
But they tried so hard, and got so far
but jesus was a jew
@@fitnesspoint2006 shalom to the OG thorn in the rabbis side
Seeing that golden cross first and then the entire Crusader Army always gives me chills and I am an Orthodox Christian.
A great scene of a great movie that portrays two great men. what makes it more amazing is thats its so real: these men really existed and were even greater than they're portrayed in some scenes of this movie. Fantastic!
Edward Norton as Baldwin.. Perfect choice!
“Withdraw or we will all die here” that’s commitment
This is one of the best movies ever made. I've watched countless times, and quote it quite a bit. Truly timeless.
You sure about that. From an accuracy standpoint it gets almost nothing right. Balian, Baldwin, Guy, even Saladin is questionable with some of his moments.
@@perennem_equitem_57 you show me a Hollywood movie they don’t butcher. Most historical movies are wrong, but the story was fine. I loved it, but I don’t have a Ph.D in history on the crusades either. I’m just a regular dude. I like to drink beer. I love my family. Rock, flag, and eagle right?🇺🇸😆
@@somedude9576 hell yeah brother, rock, flag, and eagle. I'm just mentioning my criticism. Also while it isn't a Hollywood movie watch waterloo if you haven't, great movie and is accurate to napoleon.
@@perennem_equitem_57 I’ll check it out. Thanks bro.
@@somedude9576 no problem my man, have a great day❤️
2:00 the Armenian duduk is amazing 🇦🇲✝️
koommmt.kum*dir"strikket klar*
احترام كبير بينهما عندما كانت الملوك تهتم لشعوبها❤
Hi!
Do you speak arabian language?:)
Could you maybe tell me the arabic words, Salah din was saying to his men at 02:59 ?
That would be so kind! :)
I would love to learn!
@@captainkirk7513I think he is saying حاضر هنا which means “ok here”
@@captainkirk7513 he said . wait here
@@captainkirk7513 انتظرو هنا means wait here
the two of them are even close to each other. Baldwin and Saladin get respect from religious leaders, both Muslims and Christians. Even though they have different beliefs, they are friends and understand each other. ❤
Just watched for the first time. So good. Very good lessons about what it takes to be a true man of courage. He walked into a war, by taking his fathers place and saved an entire cities people and then disappeared.
I rendered it to 8k, but it may not show up in the quality options.
Just so you know.
IT DOES SHOW BROTHER!
And how did you capture it? Because rendering HD to 8k does not change anything but filesize and blown up pixels.
@@thortele exactly what I noticed after I uploaded it 🚬
IF it was not filmed i n 8k how is it rendered to 8k? Asking for a friend
can you buy me a 8k display?
Back then I'm so in love with Ridley Scott, the only guy who can made historical movies so freaking interesting and awesome
this movie is more fictional than historical though
When a man already half dead steps on the battlefield and says "We will both die here", it's usually a good idea to listen.
That Salhauddin actor, great presence and very likeable, Superbly played would be great to see him in more things.
@paullwebber ... Ghassan Massoud (Arabic: غسّان مسعود / ALA-LC: Ghassān Masʻūd) is a Syrian actor and filmmaker. He is best known in the West for his role as Saladin in Ridley Scott's 2005 film Kingdom of Heaven. Where is Ghassan Massoud today? He studied in Finland and Germany before returning to his hometown of Damascus, where he lives now. Ghassan did an outstanding job playing the role of Salah ad-Din and is a great actor overall in whatever role he plays. He's truly underrated to say the least!
The amount of respect i have for King Baldwin is massive to be 16 and King of Jerusalem is amazing and he was a great King aswell he protected the innocent and helpless, if there is a heaven Baldwin is definitely up there for sure
Crazy to think that Robin Hood may be in that army somewhere
wasnt robin hood on board with the third crusade of richard lion heart?
@@captainkirk7513 correct.
I thought Robin Hood remained in England as a sort of Lord Protector?
@@AlyssMa7rin perhaps in a retelling i have yet to read. in most, he is a commoner that is subject to Prince John's cruelty while King Richard is away, and is truly loyal to the latter. in some, he is a lord that is stricken, i have yet to see him as a Lord Protector.
Great comment even if Robin Hood was in a future crusade haha
And here we are, over a thousand years later. Still fighing over Jerusalem.
It’s very sad indeed. What a waste
It's worth nothing and everything.
The crusades isnt over yet somehow
Salahuddin was so patient and wise he knows his army cannot win on a battle like this even he has more troops..
why can't he win? his army was much more numerous; on the contrary, he had the greatest chance of winning.
@@THOR_THE-GOD_OF_THUNDERR yeah I tell you why.. arabian bowman can't penetrate a full amor sword at arms or a knight.. you never underestimate the strenght of those soldiers and their equipments like what Baldwin said they will die all there Saladdin is already underpressure from different sultans and caliphs about his promise to retake Jerusalem so they lend him soldiers if he fight Baldwin in Kerak the loss on both sides would be devastating enough to disband Saladdin's army also the sultans and caliphs will pull put their support from it and the chances of retaking Jerusalem will be all gone..
@@adeptusastartes1392 Yeah, crusaders had the heavy armor, which made them more difficult in an upfront melee battle, especially when they were part of a solidified unit. The Saracens best hopes were for a more open and mountainous environment, where they could scatter the Crusader formations with arrows, arson and other guerrilla attacks, then launch a co-ordinated melee against whatever was left (I believe that's what they did in Hattin).
It's because he knew from personal experience (his own loss to Baldwin) and all the other Muslim leaders losses that a small army of Templars can obliterate a large Muslim army. I listened to a 12 hour audio book series on the crusaders and it was pretty amazing how such small forces could overcome a army that vastly outnumbered them.
@@dontcare7086 It's not so much that a small army can obliterate a larger Muslim one, it's about conditions on the battlefield.
In a straight up, close-quarter battle, crusaders are better, because of their heavier armor, swordsmanship and power advantage, whereas in a more mountainous environment, the saracens have the advantage because of their mobility and expertise in guerilla warfare.
There were battles, where outnumbered Christians defeated Saracen armies and conversely, there were also battles where outnumbered Saracens defeated Christian armies.
There is no such scene as a scene, with two human spirits in us. The best moments with an old movie, whenever you are, capture such a good moment in your soul. There is nothing in a new movie like the spirit that is being made as a party in our hearts, with the best movies of real acting and faith that never stops in our narrative and poetic soul, which thirsts for the best moments, such as this one. Such a good masterpiece.
As a Muslim , Baldwin is the Christian I respect the most in History, One might have heard of the Legend of Arthur or even the Wisdom of King Richard....
But Baldwin the Boy king was best.....unfortunately we do not have people like Baldwin or Saladdin these days ( they may have had their flaws ) but neither of them was a hypocrite , or spread corruption on earth....and that is enough for me.
Crazy that the same Director who made this masterpiece, made the absolute horror of Napoleon 2023
really damn
This was not a masterpiece. Absolute garbage movie. Baldwin was a much more formidable leader than saladin
@@ChristiskingKKLL So you say it is a garbage movie, because it was not historical accurate?
Ah yes, this art-house movie is bad because historically inaccurate.
Yet movie 300 is worshipped and praised by manchildren for naked Spartans fighting in leather bikinis.
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The best clip from an amazing film. I went to Kerak Castle in Jordan this summer.
Oh nice, do you think to do a Trip to Jerusalem?
@@Oemig1 Yes on a tour of Israel and Jordan
@@Oemig1 Jerusalem is well worth a visit - in better times. I've been a couple of times
I never thought about it, but I had always assumed the movie meant Krak de Chevaliers in syria. I honestly hadnt heard of Kerk des Moabites in jordan.
@@aaronpaul9188 Krak e Chevaliers looks compleatly different.
Good kings die in battle, greater kings survive to tell them to others, huge amount of respect beetween both leaders, humanity over ego
I'm old and seen a shit ton of good movies with great cinematic scenes. This is one of my all time favorites. Seeing the gold glinting cross and slow zoom in to hundreds of thousands of the Templars in their white armor. Just a really cool looking scene.
I remember sitting in the cinema and seeing that golden cross emerging out of the haze and how the sight stirred something ancient within me.
THe fact that it's a fragment of the "True Cross" helps a lot
I love the small details of this movie. Like how Baldwin's shield bearers in the front ranks all have dents in their shields. It signifies to me that they're all experienced fighters who have been through battle before and have faith in the capability of their equipment.
"withdraw or we all die here" powerful statement from king..
I love how Saladin gifts him his physicians (the greatest in the known world) as a token of profound respect…
A criminally under appreciated movie IMO
You know why leaders back than were, generally speaking, more impressive? It's because it was required to be in the battlefield, meaning you had to be at risk. That not only eliminates leaders who are all talk, but it also ensures that when a king decides to go to war, he might suffer the immediate consequences for it
I don’t know much about the crusades, 🤷🏼♂️.
I do know that when fighting the Goths and Visigoths, Alexander the Great would maneuver his army for months before fighting the battle, with the enemy in sight the entire time. Ya had to be with your men, and moving with them, that’s impressive.
Napoleon went into Egypt fought his way half way around the mediterranean, and when his army was too depleted to continue, he abandoned them and caught a ship back to France, not impressive.
@@CDs_UA-cam_ The stakes of war in Alexander's time were far higher, that is why a leader couldn't afford to be rash in decisions or else he and his people would die
@@ReiseLukas Maybe 🤔. However, they could hardly afford to lose even a small % of their fighting force because the mission was to secure Roman tribute from the region, (20% of the crops and other 💩 had to be sent to Rome.) Thus, the victory had to be decisive with a remaining fighting force large enough to justify this demand. Tribute would usually be secured by taking the leaders of the region back to Rome, pardoning them, and placing them in the position of securing Rome’s tribute from the region. Additionally, ya needed a couple hundred men to build one of those victory arches they were known for erecting as a demonstration of the technical prowess.
While the death of the general was likely a consideration, I’m fairly certain the bolstering of a general’s political ambition through securing tribute for Rome was the primary driving force. Also fairly certain if 💩 started really doing south, they would just turn around and go home.
🤓 I read a couple books on the subject and that’s pretty much what they said, but I could be wrong, it’s happened before, just ask my wife, 🤣.
Norton’s portrayal of Baldwin was amazing. His best work in my opinion
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"I'll send you my physicians"
Directly translates to: I'd really like you to stay in charge for as long as possible.
Basically yes, Saladin didn't really made a move to capture Jerusalem until Baldwin was alive
the way the crusaders just materialized out of the fog is so metal
The casting was outstanding for this film. Must have rewatched this movie 20 times. Instant classic!
The history will repeat it self and Jerusalem will be ours like it was.
First movie I ever saw in a cinema and it was with my dad. I still think it's one of the best I've ever seen.
What is this movie ?
They need the release the extended version in 4k one day, great film
Imagine seeing a giant ass army pull up on your city and you see one man talk to them and they all just bounce. As a peasant thats gotta be mind blowing.
fuckin best comment on here lol respect
This is how Ethnic Tensions are supposed to be Handled.
So much honour.....
Just feeding the army, the logistics alone must of been awesome. The distance from Europe to the middle east was astronomical. How. Wow
I'll never forget that line in this movie "Death is certain"
"Withdraw or we shall all die here" has to be the most intense line in a movie ever
As soon as Salah Ad-Din sees Baldwin he knows the only option is to retire. Even if he won the war here, the army would be destroyed. The fact Baldwin had shown himself at that battlefield was a show of determination alone in the negotiation, he knew what it meant for King Baldwin to be there, his opening line is bluster. Subtle acting and extremely effective
This man is riding around in the blistering heat with leprosy and In armor. Most people today couldn’t even handle going outside their house with this condition let alone ride around and lead an army to the battlefield and back. People were just different back then. We are so soft compared to them in that generation it’s un real.