"The bald head of Klim, the black suit of Thorpe" "From this incredible man...or is he a man? Maybe he is a superfish, because that's what he's doing!"
That race had 4 swimmers who held/would hold multiple individual WRs, and had 3 swimmers who would earn individual Olympic gold, 4 who would have individual world gold and 5 that would win individual Olympic or world medals. And 7 would win relay Olympic and world championship gold or minor medals and help break world records. An incredibly deep field.
his swimming technique (gliding instead of splashing) matched well with his suit, he took advantage of it. suit or no suit, one of the greatest ever, and certainly the best technique for 200 m + distances. i try to copy this myself.
Ian Thorpe is true champion, it is such an honour for him to be competing for Australia, no matter what has happened over the past year with the London trials and so on, Thorpedo will always be an Aussie legend
Stacked af field for the time You got the 2 free Olympic bronze medalist from 96 Former 2 free WR holder, 1500m world champ 2 free world champion 2 free world record holder Double 1500m Olympic champion 🥶
Im a national swimmer and I can say once you reach a certain level all four strokes are near equal difficulty, In a main set if you know how to sprint properly all strokes are death with the only difference being butterfly is harder to do at a warm up pace (butterfly can't be swum at anything below probably 170 heart rate). I completely agree with you though, the only reason freestylers get more credit is because it's faster than the other strokes meaning it's a test of "the fastest swimmer".
i am not national swimmer. But learned swimming by especially watching "Beneath the suit", "Michael phelps butterfly", " Michael phelps 2008 olympic preparation footage", " swimsmooth books and DVD", and the book "Swimming fastest" by Emilio Maglischo. i have done this after 35... All people dedicate themselves are great. i see foolish discussions about who is bigger, faster, better. i think, this is because, those brats are too little. Work, train; then you become the Great!
No way. If you don't count Sydney (at which Phelps was 15 and not really a medal contender) Phelps got an average of 7 medals per olympic games. Thorpe only got medals in 6 different events, with a max of 5 at one games. Even if Thorpe would've gone to 4 Olympics in an alternate reality where (because of Thorpe's performances) Australia medals in all 3 relays in '08 and '12, he would only get 19-21 medals (depending on whether you think Thorpe would medal in the 100m freestyle at both the '08 and '12 Olympics. If he would go to 5 olympics and get 6 medals in rio, he still fall short 1 medal from Phelps' all time count. That is only in medal count, not in gold medals, in which Thorpe had an even lower chance to equal Phelps Thorpe is one of the greatest and most talented swimmers ever, even in our version of reality where we only got 4 years of his reign. But he could never get as many medals as Phelps. Phelps simply did too many events. Honestly I think it will be a century before anyone else will get 8 gold medals, even with the new relay.
Thorpe definitely one of the best ever, Klim not far behind either!the depth in Australian swimming was exceptional then. Darrell Eastlake one if the greats too.
@@verward عدد المداليات لدا فيلبس تعتمد على ان فيلبس ينافس في سباقات مختلفة عكس ثورب فهو يركز على السباحة الحرة لكن اذا تكلمنا عن السن فثورب اصبح بكل عالمي في سن 15 أيضا اذا يجدر بك ان تأخد المبيياد سيدني بعين الإعتباد عند فيلبس كذلك كما ان ثورب حصل أيضا على 6ذهبيات في بطولة العالم في2001 و عمره 18 فقط حين شارم في سباقات متنوعة لذلك ثورب لو لم يعتزل مبكرا كان بستطاعته تحقيق عدد كبير من المداليات دعنا لا نقول 28 كفلبس لكن فيلبس نفسه لم يكن ليحصل على هذا الرقم أولا إعتزال ثورب لأنه حقا اسلوبه لا مثيل له في الحرة خصوصا و فيلبس أحب أسلوبه في الفراشة
It's really interesting to hear people talk like this about Thorpe. In hindsight his reign was short. I'd say that after 2003 it was hard to argue that Phelps wasn't the greatest swimmer in the world. However this does show you that Australia really is a great swimming nation in the sense that they treat their athletes right. I don't think Phelps ever was in the same spotlight Thorpe was until much later in his career. Phelps first got to grow up knowing he was the greatest swimmer in the world before he got in the media spotlight. I think their swimming careers went very similarly in the sense that they both "broke through" when they were 15. First only in their signature event (400 fr, 200fly) then expanding the year after their second best event (200 fr, 400 IM) and then exploded into a wide array of events that made everyone question their mortality. They were both arguably the greatest swimmer in the world before they were 18 (this is tricky considering how much overlap they had). I think the main difference is that Thorpe had a lot more media attention on him from the start. because he is Australian where the sport is more popular. Phelps had a similar collapse as Thorpe later on in his career (after the 08/09 and after 12) but bounced back, why that is is up to debate.
saying Thorpe won because of the suit is like saying klim came second because he's bald, every other swimmer at the time was allowed the suit and didn't use it, that's not proving anything other that either they didn't prefer it or they were stupid and failed to take an opportunity, if you want nothing that could possably effect drag you would basically need a pool full of naked guys because by that logic the swimmers in their simsimplest form are assisting
@janthonysmc787 Freestyle is whatever swimming stroke you want to do. You can legally do fly/breast/back in a freestyle race. It is only in an Individual Medley that you must do the 'front crawl' stroke (a.k.a freestyle).
HE cruised the last 15 m wow and glided the last 5 into the wall..... what if he didnt stop... what if he didnt cruise like that . the record would never have been broken he would be the ultimate swimmer... hes hardly even tired.
Thorpe was one of the greatest Ill give you that but Phelps is THE greatest. Thorpe set his first individual world record at 16, Phelps at 15. What I think is even more of an accomplishment for Phelps over Thorpe was that Phelps competed in all major international meets from Sydney in 2000 all the way to London in 2012 while Thorpe went from 1998 to 2004. Thorpe attempted to come back in both 2008 and 2012 but failed both times. Don't get me wrong I have immense respect for what Thorpe has done, he is without a doubt one of the greatest of all time; but Phelps is THE greatest of all time and no one can compare to his ability and staying power.
i'm a national swimmer. Phelps was the 200m freestyle world record holder. If you take the personal bests of all those swimmers in the 200 freestyle phelps is the fastest with a 1:42.96. Phelps is able to do it whilst still being one of the greatest backstrokers and the greatest butterflier in the world. I know the 100m free is the most recognized event, it's simply because it's the stroke which you move the fastest not due to difficulty.
Phelpls best backstrokes, what have won phelps in backstroke? Thorpe for example has a silver in 100 back but i dont remember if is in pan pacific or commonwealth games.
Maybe the best kick I've ever seen on anyone. And perhaps the most beautiful & efficient stroke I've seen anywhere. And he changed swimming with his exploitation of underwater dolphin at starts & turns. Thorpe basics should create the greatest swimmers and Phelps took those and pushed some of them to new heights. But Phelps never suffered from "waning motivation". Phelps kept going until he couldn't go any further. Thorpe just walked away at his prime and never became what he could have been.
Hard to say that Thorpe was better than Mark Spitz. He was probably the second best swimmer of the 20th Century. Definitely the best male swimmer Australia has ever produced and the third best male swimmer of all time. Best male freestyle swimmer of all time though. As far as best Australian swimmer ever, I'd say that Thorpe needs to share that title with Dawn Fraser, even if Dawn has made some objectionable comments over the years.
@ Xotic Hecz "actually he did IM as well..." Yes, Thorpe swam the 200 IM, but lost to an 18 year old Phelps at the 2003 World Championships by over 3 seconds.
if Thorpe continued to Beijing would he probably would have upset Michael Phelps 8 gold medals and still hold the 200m and 400m freestyle world record.
i am a national swimmer to, maybe from a smaller country .... But I still think butterfly kills me more the last 50 in the 200m freestyle and butterfly for example are way different i think. And you know? I don't even like to watch the 100m Freestyle because of the small time differences. Someone who only likes that cant be a swimmer am i right?
your right boutphelps,Thorpe got depression and began drinking nights before morning training which affected his training and then his racing both mentally and physically. I'm guessing it has something to do with him being told his gay his whole life by the media so he started hating it and quit before his peak. Phelps still achieved more and was the faster swimmer so was therefor better i'm not arguing that even if thorpe reached his peak he wouldn't of topped phelps even if his free got faster
you don't have a point, I'm going to help you understand. Ian thorpe 200m freestyle PB. 1:44.06 Michael Phelps 200m freestyle PB. 1:42.96 Ian Thorpe 100m freestyle PB. 48.73 Michael Phelps 100m freestyle PB. 48.05 The other event thorpe swam was the 400m which he was faster than phelps in by a long shot. Phelps swims 5 other events which he is the or one of the best in the world at. both amazing and achieved greatness and are the 2 greatest swimmers of all time Phelps is more versatile.
if thorpe and phelps had competed in a river with a width of 200m (of course it's a long line), Thorpedo would have defeated Phelps because Phelps couldn't have taken dolphin kick for flipturn :v.......
He was wearing a full body long sleeved suit. Must be so uncomfortable because the female tech suit is already incredibly tight (my friend said it stopped her leg circulation lol)
@JVanDerZant you don't have to swim the front crawl in individual medley you just can't swim the last 25/50/100m fly, back or breast any other stroke is allowed
Phelps beat Thorpe's record before the supersuit era in the 2007 Worlds. Thorpe retired because his performances were beginning to suffer while Phelp's kept getting better and better. As amazing as Thorpe was, he peaked time-wise early in his career and leveled out through Athens.
You wonder how Thorpe would do today in the post suit era. Of course, he retired after Phelps broke his world record in the 200 free. Also, he tried to take on Phelps in the 200 IM at the 2003 worlds and lost.
This wasn't' a world record for very long. It's been broken 7 times since this event. Even twice more by Thorpe. Phelps then broke that twice. Currently the record, as of this writing is 1:42 flat by Germany - Paul Biedermann in 2009.
2 years. Thorpe broke it in 2001. Then MP broke this record 6 years later in 2007. And dont compare the swimsuits... If thorpe would swam with Paul biederman's suit it would be the record still today
Yea and I've never heard a swimmer try and ever put down Michael Phelps achievements either, thecrimelord is almost certainly make up the fact he's a swimmer
"The bald head of Klim, the black suit of Thorpe"
"From this incredible man...or is he a man? Maybe he is a superfish, because that's what he's doing!"
love this words and his voice
GOOD TV COMMENTARY..THORPE IS GRACEFUL SWIMMER
That race had 4 swimmers who held/would hold multiple individual WRs, and had 3 swimmers who would earn individual Olympic gold, 4 who would have individual world gold and 5 that would win individual Olympic or world medals. And 7 would win relay Olympic and world championship gold or minor medals and help break world records. An incredibly deep field.
one of the best swimmers of all time, ian thorpe. i adore his swimming styles and techniques.
Thorpe is a legend. So elegant for such a big man. What a swimmer!
Smoothness of Thorpe´s swimming is incredible.
An awesome achievement to beat the lead singer of Midnight Oil like that
best commentating ever...
We need more commentators like this🤣😂
his swimming technique (gliding instead of splashing) matched well with his suit, he took advantage of it. suit or no suit, one of the greatest ever, and certainly the best technique for 200 m + distances. i try to copy this myself.
The best style ever
Great champion
Thanks Ian 🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿👏🏼👏🏼
Ian Thorpe is true champion, it is such an honour for him to be competing for Australia, no matter what has happened over the past year with the London trials and so on, Thorpedo will always be an Aussie legend
Ian Thorpe, style insurpassable
Stacked af field for the time
You got the 2 free Olympic bronze medalist from 96
Former 2 free WR holder, 1500m world champ
2 free world champion
2 free world record holder
Double 1500m Olympic champion
🥶
ray's commentary over the last 75m really does the swim justice
Thank you so much Ian Thorpe for your art in swimming, you’re a legend ..
Im a national swimmer and I can say once you reach a certain level all four strokes are near equal difficulty, In a main set if you know how to sprint properly all strokes are death with the only difference being butterfly is harder to do at a warm up pace (butterfly can't be swum at anything below probably 170 heart rate). I completely agree with you though, the only reason freestylers get more credit is because it's faster than the other strokes meaning it's a test of "the fastest swimmer".
Ian torpe it was an inspiration of swimmers from my time!!
I'm always a fan, Ian Thorpe is a legend :)
Ian sweetheart 💕
he always looks very calm and no even tired
Omg the male announcer is the best
thats the great Ray 'Rabbit' Warren
Phelps could be more faster, but Thorpe swimming issssssss BEAUTY
Bwahahaha! The male commentator is hillarious...adding to SilphSpectre..."He's got him in his eyeballs!..."
I can always remember this moment for Thorpe.
i am not national swimmer. But learned swimming by especially watching "Beneath the suit", "Michael phelps butterfly", " Michael phelps 2008 olympic preparation footage", " swimsmooth books and DVD", and the book "Swimming fastest" by Emilio Maglischo. i have done this after 35...
All people dedicate themselves are great. i see foolish discussions about who is bigger, faster, better. i think, this is because, those brats are too little. Work, train; then you become the Great!
He should of carried on swimming instead of retiring i reckon Thorpe would of got as many medals as Phelps!
No way. If you don't count Sydney (at which Phelps was 15 and not really a medal contender) Phelps got an average of 7 medals per olympic games. Thorpe only got medals in 6 different events, with a max of 5 at one games. Even if Thorpe would've gone to 4 Olympics in an alternate reality where (because of Thorpe's performances) Australia medals in all 3 relays in '08 and '12, he would only get 19-21 medals (depending on whether you think Thorpe would medal in the 100m freestyle at both the '08 and '12 Olympics. If he would go to 5 olympics and get 6 medals in rio, he still fall short 1 medal from Phelps' all time count. That is only in medal count, not in gold medals, in which Thorpe had an even lower chance to equal Phelps
Thorpe is one of the greatest and most talented swimmers ever, even in our version of reality where we only got 4 years of his reign. But he could never get as many medals as Phelps. Phelps simply did too many events. Honestly I think it will be a century before anyone else will get 8 gold medals, even with the new relay.
should have*
Thorpe definitely one of the best ever, Klim not far behind either!the depth in Australian swimming was exceptional then. Darrell Eastlake one if the greats too.
@D and Z he produced such amazing performances under a crazy amount of pressure medals or no medals he may be the we'll ever see.
@@verward عدد المداليات لدا فيلبس تعتمد على ان فيلبس ينافس في سباقات مختلفة عكس ثورب فهو يركز على السباحة الحرة لكن اذا تكلمنا عن السن فثورب اصبح بكل عالمي في سن 15 أيضا اذا يجدر بك ان تأخد المبيياد سيدني بعين الإعتباد عند فيلبس كذلك كما ان ثورب حصل أيضا على 6ذهبيات في بطولة العالم في2001 و عمره 18 فقط حين شارم في سباقات متنوعة لذلك ثورب لو لم يعتزل مبكرا كان بستطاعته تحقيق عدد كبير من المداليات دعنا لا نقول 28 كفلبس لكن فيلبس نفسه لم يكن ليحصل على هذا الرقم أولا إعتزال ثورب لأنه حقا اسلوبه لا مثيل له في الحرة خصوصا و فيلبس أحب أسلوبه في الفراشة
When Australia team was unhuman.. from Italy swim
his style so beautiful. perfect stroke every time. I'm adjusting my style to be like him. so smooth. so effortlessly. diesel
Thorpe was awesome. Back in the days when aussie was on top. Maybe we might shatter America in rio with mcevoy
enilyksnor no
"..the bald head of klim, the black suit of thorpe..." LMAO
It's really interesting to hear people talk like this about Thorpe. In hindsight his reign was short. I'd say that after 2003 it was hard to argue that Phelps wasn't the greatest swimmer in the world.
However this does show you that Australia really is a great swimming nation in the sense that they treat their athletes right. I don't think Phelps ever was in the same spotlight Thorpe was until much later in his career. Phelps first got to grow up knowing he was the greatest swimmer in the world before he got in the media spotlight.
I think their swimming careers went very similarly in the sense that they both "broke through" when they were 15. First only in their signature event (400 fr, 200fly) then expanding the year after their second best event (200 fr, 400 IM) and then exploded into a wide array of events that made everyone question their mortality. They were both arguably the greatest swimmer in the world before they were 18 (this is tricky considering how much overlap they had).
I think the main difference is that Thorpe had a lot more media attention on him from the start. because he is Australian where the sport is more popular. Phelps had a similar collapse as Thorpe later on in his career (after the 08/09 and after 12) but bounced back, why that is is up to debate.
Sure they are great swimmers, though Ray Warren is what made this time period great.
saying Thorpe won because of the suit is like saying klim came second because he's bald, every other swimmer at the time was allowed the suit and didn't use it, that's not proving anything other that either they didn't prefer it or they were stupid and failed to take an opportunity, if you want nothing that could possably effect drag you would basically need a pool full of naked guys because by that logic the swimmers in their simsimplest form are assisting
Gotta love that announcer!
What a field this was. Champions right across the pool
this is two totally different swimmers we are comparing but i still believe thorpe is the best
@janthonysmc787 Freestyle is whatever swimming stroke you want to do. You can legally do fly/breast/back in a freestyle race. It is only in an Individual Medley that you must do the 'front crawl' stroke (a.k.a freestyle).
still my hero, makes me speechless.
Daym he was so young
HE cruised the last 15 m wow and glided the last 5 into the wall..... what if he didnt stop... what if he didnt cruise like that . the record would never have been broken he would be the ultimate swimmer... hes hardly even tired.
Thorpe was one of the greatest Ill give you that but Phelps is THE greatest. Thorpe set his first individual world record at 16, Phelps at 15. What I think is even more of an accomplishment for Phelps over Thorpe was that Phelps competed in all major international meets from Sydney in 2000 all the way to London in 2012 while Thorpe went from 1998 to 2004. Thorpe attempted to come back in both 2008 and 2012 but failed both times. Don't get me wrong I have immense respect for what Thorpe has done, he is without a doubt one of the greatest of all time; but Phelps is THE greatest of all time and no one can compare to his ability and staying power.
and now dominating Rio 2016 too
I don't think anyone would argue against Phelps being the greatest swimmer ever. It's pretty much indisputable.
i'm a national swimmer. Phelps was the 200m freestyle world record holder. If you take the personal bests of all those swimmers in the 200 freestyle phelps is the fastest with a 1:42.96. Phelps is able to do it whilst still being one of the greatest backstrokers and the greatest butterflier in the world. I know the 100m free is the most recognized event, it's simply because it's the stroke which you move the fastest not due to difficulty.
Phelpls best backstrokes, what have won phelps in backstroke? Thorpe for example has a silver in 100 back but i dont remember if is in pan pacific or commonwealth games.
Maybe the best kick I've ever seen on anyone. And perhaps the most beautiful & efficient stroke I've seen anywhere. And he changed swimming with his exploitation of underwater dolphin at starts & turns. Thorpe basics should create the greatest swimmers and Phelps took those and pushed some of them to new heights. But Phelps never suffered from "waning motivation". Phelps kept going until he couldn't go any further. Thorpe just walked away at his prime and never became what he could have been.
youre right..
2000 is the last year of 20th century
2001 is the first year of 21st century
ahhh this brings back memories
its amazing how lazy their turns were back then!!!!
I directed this coverage.
Look or pure disdain from Thorpe to Klim at 8:20
Hard to say that Thorpe was better than Mark Spitz. He was probably the second best swimmer of the 20th Century. Definitely the best male swimmer Australia has ever produced and the third best male swimmer of all time. Best male freestyle swimmer of all time though. As far as best Australian swimmer ever, I'd say that Thorpe needs to share that title with Dawn Fraser, even if Dawn has made some objectionable comments over the years.
I predict Marchand will surpass Spitz and possibly even Phelps.
Best wishes
It's amazing at just 17 years old
@ Xotic Hecz "actually he did IM as well..."
Yes, Thorpe swam the 200 IM, but lost to an 18 year old Phelps at the 2003 World Championships by over 3 seconds.
im with you, thecrimelord19 ,...phelps never beated Thorpe....we miss you, THORPEDO!!!
BLESSINGS!!
It's such a shame that his career got cut short.
just a shame how the people who claimed to love him basically ruined his swimming career. thhorpedo always
All-star line up
@HokieFanatic1
are you sure? I'd say he's easily the greatest freestyler ever, but as an overall swimmer? It's arguable that it's Michael Phelps
if Thorpe continued to Beijing would he probably would have upset Michael Phelps 8 gold medals and still hold the 200m and 400m freestyle world record.
Bravo
i am a national swimmer to, maybe from a smaller country ....
But I still think butterfly kills me more
the last 50 in the 200m freestyle and butterfly for example are way different i think.
And you know? I don't even like to watch the 100m Freestyle because of the small time differences. Someone who only likes that cant be a swimmer am i right?
It's ALL about the leg work
your right boutphelps,Thorpe got depression and began drinking nights before morning training which affected his training and then his racing both mentally and physically. I'm guessing it has something to do with him being told his gay his whole life by the media so he started hating it and quit before his peak. Phelps still achieved more and was the faster swimmer so was therefor better i'm not arguing that even if thorpe reached his peak he wouldn't of topped phelps even if his free got faster
you don't have a point, I'm going to help you understand.
Ian thorpe 200m freestyle PB. 1:44.06
Michael Phelps 200m freestyle PB. 1:42.96
Ian Thorpe 100m freestyle PB. 48.73
Michael Phelps 100m freestyle PB. 48.05
The other event thorpe swam was the 400m which he was faster than phelps in by a long shot. Phelps swims 5 other events which he is the or one of the best in the world at. both amazing and achieved greatness and are the 2 greatest swimmers of all time Phelps is more versatile.
Ray Warren!!! What a call.
Massive call from the Rabs.
he said, he maybe the swimmer of the century in 1999
if thorpe and phelps had competed in a river with a width of 200m (of course it's a long line), Thorpedo would have defeated Phelps because Phelps couldn't have taken dolphin kick for flipturn :v.......
Yes, but the turn is part of the race.
Do you have 800m fukuoka footage?
Commentator: this man, or is he a man, maybe he is a fish..
Me: he's a mermaid ; )
Its a weird moment when Klim and Thorpe are looking right in their eyes at 8:17
"come get it " hahahaa....Love that
which pixel is thorpe?
He was wearing a full body long sleeved suit. Must be so uncomfortable because the female tech suit is already incredibly tight (my friend said it stopped her leg circulation lol)
I cannot believe he was 17. He didn't look it at all.
5:20 - 5:38 My favorite part :D
thorpe has good kick. thats what he got
@ebecker14 Thorpe is easily the greatest swimmer of the century, he's a complete legend!
ibraimovic?
thorpe destroyed everthing back in the days
@JVanDerZant you don't have to swim the front crawl in individual medley
you just can't swim the last 25/50/100m fly, back or breast any other stroke is allowed
nice
How can klim finish up with butterfly kicks ?..... cna that be qualified as a legal freestlye stroke ?
look at the names in that field
australian swimming at its peak
Phelps beat Thorpe's record before the supersuit era in the 2007 Worlds. Thorpe retired because his performances were beginning to suffer while Phelp's kept getting better and better. As amazing as Thorpe was, he peaked time-wise early in his career and leveled out through Athens.
Ohhhh STOP. Agnel DESTROYED Phelps’ record. Had they swim in 200 free again Phelps would have arrivied second.
You wonder how Thorpe would do today in the post suit era. Of course, he retired after Phelps broke his world record in the 200 free. Also, he tried to take on Phelps in the 200 IM at the 2003 worlds and lost.
Yes but he blew Phelps away in 2004
Porque respondiste en ingles?
Are you serious? What's the name of that brazilian guy?
This wasn't' a world record for very long. It's been broken 7 times since this event. Even twice more by Thorpe. Phelps then broke that twice. Currently the record, as of this writing is 1:42 flat by Germany - Paul Biedermann in 2009.
2 years. Thorpe broke it in 2001. Then MP broke this record 6 years later in 2007. And dont compare the swimsuits... If thorpe would swam with Paul biederman's suit it would be the record still today
"Or is he a man? Maybe he is a super fish. Because that's what he's doing!" hahahaha
Doper
Where does thorpemget his goggles like the blue swedes that u can get aren't as dark as the ones thorpie wears
@jonnobsm
Best Comment Ever! :D
Yea and I've never heard a swimmer try and ever put down Michael Phelps achievements either, thecrimelord is almost certainly make up the fact he's a swimmer
what the fuck with the guy commenting...?
great video
Shame he wore that suit, I'm not sure he would have won without. Which affects his legacy.
2017 in a few days 2018!!
Allie Allen happy Valentine's!!
Perkins, Thorpe, Klim, Hackett....just your average swimming race!!!
it looks like it s raining
hes accualy not as tal as some swimmers hes just buff and have hugh hands and feet. he is about 194cm