He changed swimming FOREVER in less than 4 minutes!
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- What Ian Thorpe did in 2000s changed the swimming coaches' style of training, competing and technique forever. Before him, most swimmers focused on taking as many strokes as possible.
After the Thorpe era, we trained and swam very differently.
00:00 - Everyone was swimming badly
00:14 - The first record
00:51 - New record
01:08 - Sydney 2000
02:53 - Race of the century
04:27 - Swimming tip
Ian Thorpe wins Men's 400m freestyle final | Sydney 2000
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Phelps vs Thorpe vs van den Hoogenband - Men's Freestyle 200m at Athens 2004 |
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I was thinking about the suit the whole video. In every example he was the only one with the suit, which was later banned. While Thorpe is a hero of mine, and he did indeed revolutionize swimming (or maybe his coach did?), I do wonder if the difference with the other swimmers would be as massive without the suit. Now it comes across as helping a tremendous amount, while it may be a marginal gain (which is still a huge deal at the highest level!). Edit: typo
you can see the air bubbles gathering underneath the suit
he has great technique, but the suite gave him advantage upon the other swimmers, nade him float better and move smoother in water. that was not an even swimmings in Sydney
Well others could have worn them 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
That comparison in the number of strokes is absolutely mind blowing.
But shouldn’t the narrator mention the respective heights and especially arm lengths of the athletes? If Thorpe has super long arms, or is taller in stature, it sort of makes more sense that the strokes would be fewer?
@@mebeasensei Rosolino is only one centimetre shorter than Thorpe, and yet Thorpe took 11 fewer strokes per lap.
2:20
It's not really the glide take the distance of 1 extra stroke
Also worth noting perhaps that Ian Thorpe was a 17-year old boy at the Sydney Olympics, making his achievements all the more extraordinary.
He competed against older ppl.
@@Joshuatree7746 And?
Why did they not say that in the video... That is kinda imporatant..
@@spateri728 if they’re too old they can be slower
@Elemental Entity For context, the average age on the USA Olympic swim team is 23/24, that's an extra 5 years of training and muscle development. The fact Thorpe won at 17 was a serious achievement.
Ian Thorpe was the most effortless swimmer I've ever seen. He didn't waste a single movement, it looked like the water was pushing him and he was just there.
Basically a dolphin in a previous life :D
I think the full body suits help...
@@sodgape yes it did. I was lucky to be studying in Oz during his time and the tech of his suit was all over the news for years.
@@sodgape exactly what i was about to say, full body suits are banned now because it helps you float
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I remember the first time I saw Thorpe. I was 11 and he was 14 and I had just started swimming for a new club in Padstow, Sydney. All of us were cramped into a couple of lanes and Thorpe had his own lane to himself- even at 14 he was already 6”3 with a massive chest and feet- just by watching him practise I could tell he was special
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He's built for it 🏄🏄
An interesting fact about Ian Thorpe is that he was in New York on 9/11 and on his way to the World Trade Center when he realized that he had forgotten his camera at the hotel and so turned back. That almost certainly saved his life.
glad you didnt call this a "fun fact"
we are all owned by a corporation.
@timtrfny timtrfny Yes indeed if you took ur logic and threw it out the window
@timtrfny timtrfny It means u cannot reasonably believe that because theres no chance terrorist who are about to kill hundreds of people with plane attacks would warn an american swimmer who probaply tells the authorities and ruins their plan. Maybe u were trying to make a joke but it really seems like u r serious when u say "I mean he was worth a lot back then". To terrorists he was worth nothing.
@timtrfny timtrfny You seem to be a flat earther
As a swim coach of 35 years, I couldn’t agree more with this.
Sadly, too many of my colleagues fail to understand the importance of glides and stroke counts in Freestyle😩😥
Gliding is quinticential with any sort of stroke. If you dont utilise it correctly youre just wasting energy. I cant even think of how many times ive told my students to GLIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE! 😂
They miss it because Thorpe's emphasis was all on his kick. The stroke was an after-thought. He didn't tuck his chin, either, or hold his breath for more than two pulls. If he had, his 4 and 6 beat kicks would have made him pass out. Everything we were taught in the 70s/80s/90s was dead wrong.
@@ryantalbot1465 Bravo and true as mate !
The difference in stroke count between Thorpe and the second place swimmer is absolutely striking.
0:47 Of course he broke the world record. That was actually Zlatan in disguise.
One of the most impressive swimming feats ever (IMHO) is Thorpe’s closure in the 400m relay in Sydney 2000. Gary Hall has a half body advantage over him in the last turn and is stroking fast, but Thorpe just digs and slides, and touches first by a few milliseconds. Amazing to watch!!!
Thorpe was just brilliant and deserved all his successes.
When I used to train we were always advised to study Thorpes technique. It was the underwater phase that I took most from. Not because it was particularly different or controversial but because it highlighted how much difference an excellent turn can make. He gained so much ground from them.
Phelps won more but Thorpe and Hooganband were my inspirations
But thorpe retired earlier
@@user-nd5bb1ze2l Yes, they never competed but it doesn't mean I can't prefer one.
In the same way you can prefer Madonna over Messi despite them not competing
@@matwatson7947 they competed in the race of the century, look thorpe in freestyle is unachievable but but in left types of swimming is horrible
phelps won irrelevant medals. only freestyle counts. maybe track and field should have a race with both hands tied behind their back so usain bolt can have a few more medals
@@howdydo5760did Phelps not win freestyle?
There were always "Gliders" and "Paddle steamers" in swimming and still there are...Thorpe was just the best at doing it and for me still is the most aestethic swimmer of all times...but he didn't invent something new, everything he did was well-known, Thorpe just mastered perfection...
Duncan Armstrong!
And the suit really helped to reduce his aquadynamical friction.
@@Marcoose81 Thats my main Problem: Cant afford the Suite and my chest hair ist dragging me down at least 1 min/100m :-D
I think that's right. I've been following the Australian outfit Swim Smooth - they go on about high cadence and no glide. The USA Total Immersion focussed on long and slow. I guess the best is maximum cadence, massive stroke length and minimum resistance - it is just who can come up with the winning combination.
Pretty sure his shoe size of 17 (52 in EU) helped his kick. One of the largest feet swimming world has ever seen. He also had very strong legs and flipper-like feet added to his performance.
Overall, strongest kick of all time in the game.
I think my foot size is 9 1/2 mens us.... small compred to his lol
and i'm 5'5 in height... pain. pain,
@@Charlie-hv3dh But whatever is the height etc. man is judged by his virtues. More Righteous and Pious The Man، He is more close To Allah (God)
I wonder about that too. I recently started swimming because I hurt my knee lifting. Getting better everyday. I have bought some short fins for use with my kickboard and am astonished at the difference I had no idea. So noticing the huge difference with the fins got me wondering about the difference and advantage someone has with huge feet. For reference I'm a 13 4e but have to think a size 17 would be a tremendous advantage.
@@Charlie-hv3dh I'm a 9 US but I'm 5'10
My size is 44. Guess I should compete in swimming.
Ian Thorpe has such a huge natural talent and a beautiful stroke. A joy to watch him in the water. Reeeach and Gliiiiiiide...Love it!
To this day Ian Thorpe still has the most beautiful swimming style of any swimmer ever, just effortless and smooth.
Exactly
While not exactly comparable, you should look at Ryosuke Irie’s backstroke, his form is utter perfection
@@pettypractice7872 i've never seen a swimmer upset the water less. it is like his stroke consists of dropping rose petals onto a mirrored lake surface.
Alex Popov stroke is better
@@konstantinceprasov6447 you should check out David Popovici
Absolutely amazing. I have an relative in Australia and he explained to me the way they swim and why so it makes sense to me but looking at Mr.Thorpe swimming is an art form
It was a massive change to swimming technique. The shark suit on a big swimmer makes a big difference. And being huge helps hugely. Ideal shape: short legs, long torso, long arms, vast hands, big feet with flexible ankles. You can be world class young teen but, if you don't grow big enough with the other physical features, you can't progress - so take up triathlon or cycling
Amazing to see the sport evolve. 20 years later and even Thorpe's streamline looks amateur. Then Phelps made the dolphin kick a game changer. Then... I don't know, they all just seem superhuman now :D
The under water dolphin kick is a superhuman ability. It seems only elite athletes can sustain it during a series of laps: for a normal person there is a tendency to run out of breath at the very beginning.
Hah I got beat once by Michael in college in a 50 free, I swam my fastest, he did dolphin kick underwater both ways lol
Nah, Michael Klim well before Phelps. The first was a girl called Angela Kennedy swimming for Telopea (Canberra, Australia) in the early 90s, where she broke the women's 50 Fly SC record at 15.
@@guyskillen Dude, that's some very esoteric knowledge. I guess she would swim at Manuka pool? My sister went to Telopea High so I actually know where you're referring to.
In what world is that true? Im a terrible swimmer and maintaining a dolphin kick for say 20 metres is not that hard. Its a revolutionary technique but it's by no means a difficult thing to do. Again, im a below avg level swimmer...
Ian Thorpe is the unsung hero of swimming. He is a stunning Australian!!!
His efficiency was top notch. He was similar to Popov, the way their bodies would just glide through the water. Everyone else always looked like they were doing so much more work than those guys, yet they continued to beat everyone.
Matt Biondi is the 1st one I have seen doing this at 1988 Olympic, followed by Alexander Popov 4 years later.
That's why these two legends are always on my mind.
Ian Thorpe is among my favorites too.
@@lexsoft3969 I’ve never watched Matt Biondi. I’ll have to check him out.
@@boblangford5514 Watch his 200m freestyle too.
@@boblangford5514 Biondi also raced in 100m butterfly as a favorite at the Olympic, but he was upset in the final by Anthony Nesti of Suriname by 0.01 sec. That was the most upset in that year.
he could afford to glide longer because of his insane kick. his kicking training sessions were legendary for their speed.
Yeah, good luck holding a technique like that without a size 17 feet-powered outboard motor to go with it
Interestingly, some comments make a comparison with Popov - well, Popov was also notoriously fast on a kickboard. He reportedly did 50m at the Australian Institute of Sport in 27 seconds on a kickboard! (No flippers.)
@@Fuzcapp i knew guys training at the same pool, that used his 50m kick start times, for their 50ms freestyle start times. As you can imagine it was demoralizing for them. In their defence, they trained for the 1500m distance. It’s so long ago, that I can’t remember his kick times on the 50m. But it was sub 30s, which I think is incredible. I actually trained at the same pool where Van Hoogenband used to train in Eindhoven. That was also highly demoralizing but it does show a person how special these guys are (or were).
Yes, of course. He redirects energy from his arms (streamlining his body) to his legs for propulsion.
My thoughts exactly
Thorpe was the only guy at the time who could keep a 6 beat kick throughout a 400
It’s his kick that allows a slower turnover-catch up drill stroke-
It’s by no means an ‘unusual or controversial stroke’
Zlatan‘s Brother from down under, fantastic swimmer!
It was your channel that encouraged me to swim with a better technique. I could swim for my whole life, however I have studied how to "swim properly" from your videos. I'm glad that this exciting short video appeared in my feed through all the UA-cam algorithms. Take care, mate.
Awesome video, being a swimmer kid in the 2000's (and later a D1 swimmer) the Thorpedo definitely changed distance stroke for years to come. After the 2000 Olympics coaches everywhere started paying attention to stroke count. Hah this also meant more counting in practice.... a memory I would sooner forget than remember lol.
Man, I remember watching these races, they were phenomenal !
The starting lineup of the century right there!!!
Thanks coach, this is by far one of the best classes.
I am mostly a backstroker and I am short for a swimmer, so I have a natural disadvantage. However, I start to come into the race as a freestyler over 800m to 1500m. I have always (even before Thorpe) had a natural inclination to leave my right arm out in front as I breathe (I am a left side breather) which causes my left arm to come over the top unnaturally fast. It's just the way I swim freestyle. I have had so many coaches try to change it, but it just doesn't feel right and trying to change has never resulted in better freestyle performance. I don't have a massive kick like Thorpe and I would average about 40 strokes per lap, like Rossalino. Remember, I am around 10 inches shorter than these swimmers (Who therefore have significantly longer arms and better natural glide - plus they are all far stronger than me).
So for all the coaches trying to change my freestyle, perhaps I was onto something 45 years ago, which hadn't met its time yet. I am a great believer in allowing a good swimmer to just find their own natural style. Whether it's Michael Klim's straight arm technique or Thorpe's beautiful high elbow glide technique. Grant Hackett also seemed to go to a greater glide in his stroke after Thorpe came along.
Ehh, the Thorpedo.
Bloody Aussie legend.
This was a really well made video.
A great mixture of technique analysis and story telling.
New subscriber.
I've never cared much for swimming before, but somewhow I just can't stop watching these videos, they are so interesting
I still can't wrap my mind around how fast Thorpe was in 2000 when he 17.
I love his style and the relaxed rhythm. I have always wondered about the upward curve in his body line from the side and wether this is to keep the legs raised. Also his head position at one point in his breathing cycle is really looking forward for a moment.
What a good video! Thank you very much! Remembering these great swimmers!
I was living in Sydney (Manly Beach) at this time and was fortunate enough to to have attended several of these events including the 400m finals. I remember talking to an American that was a trainer with the US Olympic Swim Team and mentioned that the ‘Thorpedo’ was going to be the guy to beat for several years. He said with complete confidence, ‘Nope, we have a kid coming up that is going to dominate for a decade’. That was the first time I heard Michael Phelps’ name. Ian Thorpe was amazing watch in person in 2000, but Michael was still on another level.
Great video thanks! Ian Thorpe is almost underrated as the swimming genius his was. Definitely a better middle and long distance swimmer than MP. His technique changed freestyle forever. All about streamlining and the glide. I can only imagine how fast Mark Spitz would have been of he’d swum like this!
Also worth noting the cameraman holding breath for so long under the water recording them with ease.
A UA-cam recommendation that was actually worth it!
This video has "finally" answered the question I've been asking a while now. "Why" do modern swimmers leave that arm in frt for so long, that the recovery arm has caught up, before the catch of the "gliding" arm? It feels so abnormal to me, to wait with that arm in frt. But this host has summed it up, at the end, by stating..."leave that arm in frt a bit longer". If it's good enuff for the "Thorpedo" then it's good enuff for me. Thank you. :)
This is some top tier editing lol thank uu!!
Your music taste is great! Thanks for the videos! Always appreciated it!
I knew Ian around this time and I saw him break that 400 metres world record in 1999 I spoke to him at training and we were even in the swam in the same pool sometimes what a trill to see your friend break a record I was in the VIP section it was a fantastic night and yes he made Sydney 2000 one the greatest experiences of my life
Winning gold is one thing, but changing a sport forever is something very few can claim. Just like the Fosbury flop in high jump, Thorpe re-defined his sport. True Aussie legend
It’s definitely different, so different that you would be inclined to say that taking fewer strokes is the secret sauce. But it won’t work out for everyone. So much depends on all the other metrics in swimming. Basically, it’s not as simple as that.
This got me without breath xD! So intense! This video was really cool! c:
So crazy that the style changed so dramatically not long ago.
Brilliant. Thank you for bringing such motivational and educational videos.
This is an amazing video. Thank you for posting.
Great analysis. For those of us not able to get good coaching, your videos provide invaluable insight for enjoying swimming more.
I appreciate that!
That’s interesting. I’ve always used a glide, just cause I find it more relaxing and rhythmical, and I was a swimming instructor in the 1990s, teaching it. Had no idea it was so fast.
Really informative. Keep it up
This video looks sharp!! Congrats!
Thorpe….the best swimmer ever ❤️
That season was legendary. How many amazing swimmers...
You sir deserve 1m subs immediately.
Great video I remember watching him winning all the time had no idea about the technique 👍
Great swimmers can 'feel' the water. Thanks for the vid. Top notch!
U make the videos interesting with all the music u mix in. It almost feels like one is watching a movie.
Very interesting. I love watching great swimmers, because I'm so rubbish at swimming, making me admire them even more
Ian was only 15 when he first broke the 400m world record. What a champion, always gracious and so well spoken.❤
His suit was not made of polyurethane so it was not a banned suit. Swimmers could wear it today if they wanted. He was so talented and worked so hard but he was just different. Nobody even to this day can swim like him. To be able to swim the 100 up to the 1500 and damn near win every one or at least medal in every one is amazing. He was also 6ft 6 and 235 pounds which is a freak of nature to swim that fast at that size . Best freestyle swimmer ever.
I think there's another part of the current swimsuit rules that stipulates it can't extend below the knee or above the waist for men - the material would be fine though
@@willcowen2152 Good point
@@willcowen2152 They should make the same rules for the women?
No one ever did it for me like Thorpedo...never does and never will....he is not only a maestro but also an artist....still miss you Thorpie!
Yeah it's cool to win medals and all but when you are an innovator, that's a real contribution. Winning is a selfish path, nothing wrong with it, but to pave a way for the future is something else.
I don't know anything about swimming, but nice to watch. Thanks for the vid.
I had a book of Ian Thorpe from my dad even before I had started swimming. Never realized it was because he glided. Pretty cool
I’d love to see a video analysis of David Popovici’s style as he seems to be having a similar impact to that of Thorpe. I’ve seen a few people criticising his technique, even though he’s breaking records.
I'm not Australian and I've always loved Thorpe. seeing him swim was like magic
Great video, well done.
I would pay money for a full video of that '99 PanPacs 400m. It's not anywhere on the internet that I can find. He lopped 2s off the WR in that race... it's a piece of history and the people deserve to view it!
Thank you for this video. It really helps.
Very good video! Thank you!!
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I just love him, my All time favorite swimmer
Very informative and interesting. Thank you.
Very interesting video. It made me realise that I had also developed this technique, but out of pure laziness.
Ian Thorpe is a legendary, effortless athlete who really doesn't get the credit he deserves outside of the swimming world (or at least outside of Australia), just because other swimmers won more or went down the Lochte route to notoriety.
Swimming is a sport of feel and moving with the water. Thorpe had a great feel for the water. His rhythm was amazing and he was able to kick the wave he created with his stroke to perfection. A great athlete for sure.
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks. Absolutely amazing
Loved this video and the historic approach. Didnt know Thorpe invented this style
Nature invented it bro take a look at streamlined animals like dolphins etc
@@DublinDapper “bro” take it down a notch. All he was saying is he didn’t know Thorpe pioneered this style for competitive swimming.
What a great production!!
Great summary for the necessity of a patient arm at front.
I mean, you made me swimming sports fan with this video man
After watching this race and his style, I made it a priority on my stroke to enter the water as gently as possible to avoid splashing and drag etc... it took quite some time to develop certain muscles but it paid off.
man the talent in that race wow
Very interesting. I was taught this way to swim freestyle circa 2010 and had no idea it came from Thorpe. Just assumed the technique had been established for decades.
1:48 wow, you can really see how smooth his swimming compared to others
This is an incredibly well-produced video! I'm amazed.
Great video. Thank you.
Its amazing that Thrope 2002 WR in 400M would still be a WR if not for the supersuit era. How crazy is that and shows that swim was a swim definitely before its time
This looks like the “Total Immersion” technique. It is definitely more pleasurable as well.
Nice, I actually did this on my swimming days and I had no idea it was world-class
Comment for the algo. Cool video
Thorpe's early high elbow catch is incredible.
This is entertaining and educational.
wow, what a quality video, gj!
Thank you for sharing.
Ian Thorpe is my favourite swimmer. He is also a great guy. Love the Thorpedo.
The kick ! Thorpes kick game was next level
A cool one. Thanks.
His full body suit also came with controversy afterwards.
Similarly this just reminded me of CATHY freeman suit too!!
2004 was ultimate swimming Olympics imo
Imagine what he could have achieved if he could have lived his life openly and not hounded and mocked by the media and public about his sexuality. I feel like that toll on his mental health pushed him to retire early and hide away
It’s honestly a huge shame and a massive loss for swimming in general.
He gave up during his peak.
I mean he was even called the thorpedo.