Been running K&N filters in everything since i was old enough to drive. Currently have a Tacoma with 247000 miles. Had the same K&N on it since around 5000 miles. No issues..
I bought the same exact filter about a week ago, and you indeed are right; did increase 5hp; and I do notice a slight difference in acceleration, a little less lag, and better sound as well, it honestly was worth the $67
This drop in did better than some of your CAI's...Wow I am ordering one right now for my new 17 1LE I'm keeping my car stock for a while so this is a nice 5whp gain for cheap!
You just sold me! This is what I am buying instead of a cold air intake. Seems like better bang for the buck. By the way, your car looked nice stock but it's really looking sharp now. Those customizations really made it look special.
Have been running K&N filters on every thing I own since the early 80s. Have had 0 problems. Besides gaining a little power the other thing I like is you buy one and your done. Wash it out, dry and re-oil (don't over do the oil) and your go to go. Money!
Me too bro i been a believer for the past 5 yrs. but i always seen them up on the top shelves of auto parts stores like Advance, Auto zone, etc. since way back in the late 90's never knew that they were so good, and thought they were for sale only to race car owners, i use them in all of my vehicles and seen, hear, and feel a difference in all of them, especially in my SUV with exhaust mods.
Thank you for taking the time to post this. Quick point. Mustang's chief engineer Dave Pericak is on record stating that you can not do any better than a stock intake system. Cold Air Intakes are a gimmick.
Any "CAI" that doesn't draw air exclusively from outside the engine bay is not really a CAI. It flows more, but it's pulling hot air from under the hood, even with heat shields. Little to no gain. A real CAI will always give you colder intake air, giving you more of what you want: Colder, denser air than stock.
@ LethalGarage, thanks for this video. I've been using KNN drop in filters in my cars for a couple of years now and noticed throttle response increase and find it easier to modulate input to get the best fuel economy. Its nice to know that there is a measurable difference.
Exactly what I suspected a drop in K&N filter would do for Performance. My prediction... Running your stock box with the K&N filter will outperform ANY aftermarket CAI you bolt on. Looking forward to your upcoming dyno testing. Great review!
LethalGarage you tripping, I have the rotofab and my friend that has the airaid intake tube with the K&N drop in filter stock air box made almost the same. Not worth the extra money in my opinion.
I’ve been checking into cold air intakes for my camaro, but you know what I’m going with the K&N filter in stock intake housing!. Thanks for saving me $$$$$ on a C/A that isn’t worth it
I use this drop in filter in my 2015 Avalon. I feel it gives the car better airflow and as the test shows a few gains in HP. I haven't had any problems with check engine lights. I don't clean them I just buy new, they last longer than regular air filters.
Planning to do this at some point because ever since I put one in my 4th generation Camaro, I've been putting them in all of my cars. Maintenance time/cost alone is worth it after 2 or 3 stock air filter replacements. On the HP gain, my guess is that it is generally around 1-2% gain to the wheels these days, depending upon your configuration/vehicle/tune/etc. This video and others on youtube support my estimate range. Manufactures have been getting better with weeding out modest improvements in ("stock adjustments") intake (& exhaust?) airflow to improve HP, which is what I think the K&N does. Meaning that the CPU will re-calibrate the fuel ratio and timing for a little increase/decrease in airflow, but overall the improvement won't be a lot. I think 20-25 years ago, the CPUs were less complex and a modest increase in airflow/exhaust would actually garner a larger increase in HP and torque (some claimed 10-15% with the K&N), though I have to admit I personally have nothing but seat HP as evidence to prove this. And while that type of improvement might seem like a lot for just changing an air filter, keep in mind that I'm referring engines in an era that made much less HP stock (the 5.7L LT1 was rated 275hp at the crank) and were not direct injected.
Everyone is comparing this filter to cold air intakes and such. This is not the case it should be compared to other air filters and it does a pretty good job at doing what it is meant to do. Yes it increases power and you may not even notice the difference but what is so special about it is you pay $15 for the recharge kit and you use the filter until the car dies, simple. No more buying air filters and in the long run it pays for itself.
Thanks for the video! I was actually waiting for GM's cold air intake (which is supposed to come with new tune), but it's taking them forever. I watched this video and ordered one K&N for my 16 Camaro.
and eveyone do not buy a cold air intake aftermarket wise because theirs really no point because the factory intake is already drawing air from outside the engine bay. like this buy said just buy a K&N drop in replacement. now you can buy a cold air intake for your car but you have to make sure like if your doing some huge tuning for it then yea youll get good results. how everyone the stock intakes on modern cars are pretty pointless to change out for aftermarket.
Just bought a K&N drop in (It was like $65 after tax) for my Coyote F150 after discovering my old filter was packed with dirt and sand from its Canadian fleet history and my desert runs. Excited to see if it breathes better. lol.
I used a fake HKS mushroom filter on my bmw N20 for sound alone. I have a pipercross drop in on stock box and both make about the same until heat kicks in. I'm really getting interested in the 2L turbo camaro
One thing nobody mentions with after market intakes is the hood open dyno sessions with no restriction above the cone, plus sucking cool outside air. With hood closed the cone is going to be restricted from above and if the seal is not 100% then the intake will suck in some of the hot air under the hood. I never bought into open design aftermarket cold air intakes. Less restrictive drop in filter is the way to go.
I got a 14whp gain on my G37S with no tune but the dual intakes and stock CAI which helps a decent amount in air increase of 20% compared to the single intake on the DE engines.
I know im late but the same here i gained about 18-20 hp on my 2004 Nissan Pathfinder LE Plat. ed w/VQ35 DE but i also upgraded my exhaust as well with 3" piping mated to a Flow master super 50 mildly aggressive throaty exhaust but the torque is crazy strong.
what you talkin bout my truck is dual out from the front to midway behind the muffler (Super 50 Flowmaster 2.25" dual in to 3" in out where it becomes one single pipe it's a VQ35 DE it's all stock motor.
its looking like gm got the air box right. compared to the cold air intakes 'just drop in a k&n filter and see gains i think this is the way i might go can't see spending $400 for a cold air intake when your not seeing much bigger gains
you wont see gain from cai without tuning a good cai will outperform a drop in filter if given the correct tuned but then again without the ecu tuning you might even lose power over stock since the change air flow is to drastic for the engine to adjust most drop in filter from k and n work so well because they build the filter to flow with the stock engine in mind but most cai intake builder are not expecting you to run them with stock tuned or even stock exhaust
Probably going to order a K&N filter for my car, i am holding out for the GM CAI. Have you tried or would you try the K&N black hawk cold air intake? They claim to be making 20+ HP and there filter already showed the best bang for the buck.
bro dont get in with the mindset of seeing massive gains you would be lucky to see anymore then 5 hp from cai or drop in filter without tuned i think the increase in sound and response is much more beneficial then the minor power bumpi have a c43 with drop in filter didn't see any difference on dyno hp or tq but it seem to spool the turbo a little bit faster the engine seem to be a little bit more responsive and it the intake sound a little bit better so its not a total waste but most of the time that all your gonna get from a drop in filter and that fine with me since there not very expensive
Cotton-gauze media has to be oiled because it filters particles due to the particles sticking to the oil on the filter media and becoming part of the filter media. Most decent OEM quality paper media runs at or above 99% filtration efficiency. Oiled cotton-gauze such as K&N runs "generally" between 96-98% efficiency. I take the term "generally" to mean they had some outlying test results that were either above (not as likely) or below their test range. The other alternative is high loft synthetic filter media available in non-oiled applications.
Hmm just looked at the Dyno sheet, basically 4-5hp and torque throughout, that tells me the stick filter/intake are already quite efficient, you only picked up 1% power
Question: I know this isn't filter related but I'm wondering if you know a tuner than can tune the magnetic ride apart from the DSC. I just don't think the DSC is worth the price they are asking, and to me, they tune it for a softer ride and I'm actually wanting to go the other direction and get more road feel.
Hey I know this video was From a while ago. But I was wondering which brand in ur opinion has the best drop in air filter for the v6 6th gen camaro. I was thinking between K&N, green filter, or AEM. Heard good things about the green filters but not sure
I recently had a service light pop up on my 16 SS I believe its service park assist, took it to the dealership and he said it was due to the K&N air filter any thoughts?
+David Rye The SAE number GM reports is at the fly wheel of the motor. Your drive moraine will typically see a 10-17% loss of power. My results are showing a 12% drive train loss, which is actually really good.
if it breaths easyer it has to gain something even 5hp max mabee a slight change in cooler motor some are just going for a bit of engine sound id say you will get that
tell you the truth k and n works fine out of the box in my experience i really don't like cleaning them got cel lit up after cleaning and re oil the filter had to take it to dealer to get reset drop in brand new k and n and no issue in some car when you're oil it some of that get onto the mass air flow sensor im pretty sure i fucked tup on the re oil part but i just throw them away after 20k or so and replace them with a brand new k and n my c43 oem filter cost about as much as a brand new k and n anyway so actually saving money by doubling the mileage on the filter there really no performance increase just some extra intake noise and the turbo seems to spool a little faster so im happy with it
Am I missing something? Why is your Camaro only making 394hp when it should be making close to 445 at least? How many miles on it and what did you do to it? lol
So under amazing circumstances the LT1 produces 455? I'm just curious since Dodge and Ford engines will easily be able to get about 80% of their spec's power to. The wheel on a single dyno test... Interesting.
Devoldo I see you don’t know much about horsepower. Like he said, the advertised horsepower by car companies, in this case Chevy’s 455 horsepower advertising, is at the crank, not the wheels. At the wheels, this is a normal amount of horsepower on a 6th gen Camaro SS.
Devoldo Its called drivetrain loss. Power is lost through the transmission, differential, etc. About 12% for manuals, 15-17% for automatics from crank to wheel horsepower. So 394 at the wheels is about 450hp at the crank. About perfect for a stock Camaro when you consider all the variables that come into place that cause differences in dyno readings.
People usually say that you gain nothing by changing only the air filter,well.....seeing is believing.......i'll change mine to a k&n too!!!!you gained 6 hp so simply,without further mods!!!!!!
I wonder if they make a bigger turbo for the the 4 cylinder? hmmm. That'd be badass if precision made a bigger replacement turbo.. I gotta tell ya. these lil 2.0l engines are badass. gets up to 101 real easy.. hehe...
That horsepower difference is about what you would expect between a 1st and 2nd dyno run on any engine. I like K&N filters, and use them, but there isn't an increase in power over a new, clean, stock style filter. The people who are replacing some a dirty stock air filter with a new K&N are obviously going to notice a difference. The biggest actual difference is the sound. A K&N is very loud and adds a whistle most of the time.
You sir are 100% wrong I put drop in kn filters on my wife g37 sedan and it show a gain of 17 whp to the wheel I was in shock. Oh and the paper filters wasn't dirty at all. So do a research before posting these non sense comments not every vehicle is the same some respond better than others for mods....
K&N's cotton-gauze filter media has some of the worst filter efficiency, and accumulative capacity/gain of any factory or aftermarket filter media. It has some of the lowest initial restriction, but that's because K&N's filters are poor at actually filtering. Basically, only buy one if you want to introduce your nice engine to new levels of dirt and dust. These comments are based on various ISO5011 test results posted on the web comparing K&N to other aftermarket and OEM brands. I'd run an OEM, R2C, or S&B drop-in well before I'd let a K&N product come near my vehicle.
That's simply your opinion, but I've had the engines in my atvs, cars, etc, for years with no issues. As long as you clean and oil the K&N properly, you're fine. The oil is the secret to the filtration, never use one without oil.
+Alfred Hernandez K&N's own site shows that they are "generally" at 96-98% filter efficiency based on their own testing vs typical Paper (ex. AC Delco) which is around 99% or greater. The only thing that's my opinion is that I'd rather not sacrifice filtration performance for minimal of not completely insignificant gains. An ISO test standard is a reference for consistent comparison. No opinion there. I'm not saying your sand blasting your engine using a K&N, but filtration IS something to consider in addition to overall reduction in restriction etc.
+97Chebbie yeah, but on a clean city street that percentage is irrelevant, your engine will still last a very long time, plus no more buying paper filters.
+Alfred Hernandez I'll agree on the questionable relevancy of absolute filtration based on a specific "clean" scenario. I would, however, question why one wouldn't use a filter or intake that didn't have better filtration efficiency than K&N while having equal or greater flow and reduced restriction. Those products exist, so I don't understand the compromise. I've used K&N in the past, but there are better alternatives based on results from various standardized tests.
+97Chebbie the price, perhaps many don't want to pay hundreds more for an intake that isn't going to give much better results than just a drop in K&N? Perhaps something like exhaust, tune, etc, is where that money would go?
Would be great to see the cold air kit tested. LSXmagazine saw a 25rwhp jump with the aircharger and typhoon kit on the 400hp gen 5 camaro. www.lsxmag.com/tech-stories/engine/dyno-test-4-kn-vs-aem-5th-gen-camaro-intake-options/
Actually your test was just an element swap...the Gen 5 only gained 8hp/8.4lb-ft. You gained 4.4hp/4.8lb-ft. The 6th Gen test I've seen done by Superchevy,the Air Charger kit gained only 11.1 rwhp...BUT it gained 26.8 RWTQ. www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1602-add-27-lb-ft-to-your-2016-camaro-in-30-minutes/
Well hotrod did 3 pulls on a stock 2016 and do you know what the difference was between the best and worst? It was 4 horsepower, I'm just pointing out that it's such a small increase it's almost not even measurable. More pulls on the dyno would net you more.
gregrob20---- you are so WRONG on the K & N filter. There is absolutely no filter on the market that can provide 100% protection from dirt particles getting through the filter. Every filter including paper let's a few particles of dirt pass it. Have been using K&N for over 10 years with out any problems. Look up PAPER filter vs K& N filter dirt test the out come will surprise you.
Good thing is, K&N are reusable. You'll probably never have to buy an air filter again lol. Performance wise, well that's questionable. But hey, every little gain counts right? Lol, not...
The reason they provide a gain is because they are SHIT at filtering out particulates.... I'll take a well-designed cold air intake with a larger filter so you can get the best of both worlds, proper filtration AND more flow due to larger surface area. That 4hp gain is going to go away when your engine ingests enough dirt to cause a poor ring seal. I think I would stick with the paper element and sleep easy knowing my engine is getting well-filtered air rather than risk it for this miniscule gain.
Wrong! That's what the oil is for so it can filter out all of those particles! I have a K&N on my atv, no problems when I ride through sand and dust, been doing this for years. The oil in the filter is the secret to its filtration, while allowing excellent airflow. K&N filters work! They're used in offroad applications all the time, in much dustier conditions than you will ever see on a clean city road.
That's why participants run oiled filters at the Baja 1000 and in combat deployments to desert environments. They allow better air flow and trap far more debris and particles.
There are many videos disproving that point... Oil analysis proves that there is no more dirt getting passed the filter into the oil than a standard paper filter as long as they're maintained properly. What ever little tiny specs of dirt happen to pass through the filter gets trapped in the oil filter anyway...
Darksyne DOD tests show the result of oiled filters being superior in desert environments. My peers whom run the Baja also concur with the findings. I've run dynos on both and found these they both provide better throttle responses, and high end TQ, but the largest difference is environmental taskings.
imagine a new car Paper filter $20 recharge kit $25 and you get conservatively two uses out of it. car lasts you 10-15 years and you change the filter conservatively 2 times a year that's a $15 a year savings so after 10 years $100 - $80 for filter in a new car the cloth filter will actually save you money. Not much granted but still.
Kirk Cobain the drop in filters that you have to clean and spray the oil on them were mentioned. There was no significant gains by using them. Also, the oils often get on the 02 sensor and cause it to burn out. I have had both a cold air intake and drop in filter and this has also been my personal experience.
These are great filters for people that buy new cars every two years. Sure it screws the next owner with a more damaged engine, but who cares about the next owner?
How does a drop in kn filter screw the next owner? You didn’t explain yourself at all that’s a pretty dumb thing to do, make some ridiculous claim and then not even explain yourself. I think you’re stupid.
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Been running K&N filters in everything since i was old enough to drive. Currently have a Tacoma with 247000 miles. Had the same K&N on it since around 5000 miles. No issues..
I bought the same exact filter about a week ago, and you indeed are right; did increase 5hp; and I do notice a slight difference in acceleration, a little less lag, and better sound as well, it honestly was worth the $67
You really think you can tell a difference in sound ? Lol, I thought my mind was playing tricks on me
Its not that it only gained 5 horsepower but its the throttle response while daily driving.
3 years later, thanks for the vid. I dropped one in a '19 2SS, can't complain.
Did you get it turned or it’s no need ?
@@nonyabusiness8324 nope, don't need to. I eventually got a Cold Air Inductions intake and got it tuned.
@@angelanaya5964, how much HP did you gain with the tune and the Cold Air Intake?
This drop in did better than some of your CAI's...Wow
I am ordering one right now for my new 17 1LE
I'm keeping my car stock for a while so this is a nice 5whp gain for cheap!
LJ & Son's VLOGS i have a 17 2lt rs. I'm probably getting one of these soon and also thinking of getting a tune.
Bout time some one has a video of K&N filter dyno results. I have always used them and it's nice to know now the proof is there. Thanks for info.
Thanks for taking the time to do this test. Good stuff with real results!
No problem
You just sold me! This is what I am buying instead of a cold air intake. Seems like better bang for the buck.
By the way, your car looked nice stock but it's really looking sharp now. Those customizations really made it look special.
+Neil Gregory It's all about putting your finger print on it.
Have been running K&N filters on every thing I own since the early 80s. Have had 0 problems. Besides gaining a little power the other thing I like is you buy one and your done. Wash it out, dry and re-oil (don't over do the oil) and your go to go. Money!
All of my vehicles have K&N drop in filters. Love them.
Me too bro i been a believer for the past 5 yrs. but i always seen them up on the top shelves of auto parts stores like Advance, Auto zone, etc. since way back in the late 90's never knew that they were so good, and thought they were for sale only to race car owners, i use them in all of my vehicles and seen, hear, and feel a difference in all of them, especially in my SUV with exhaust mods.
Thank you for taking the time to post this. Quick point. Mustang's chief engineer Dave Pericak is on record stating that you can not do any better than a stock intake system. Cold Air Intakes are a gimmick.
That statement is only true for stock powered cars.
Any "CAI" that doesn't draw air exclusively from outside the engine bay is not really a CAI. It flows more, but it's pulling hot air from under the hood, even with heat shields. Little to no gain. A real CAI will always give you colder intake air, giving you more of what you want: Colder, denser air than stock.
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LethalGarage, thanks for this video.
I've been using KNN drop in filters in my cars for a couple of years now and noticed throttle response increase and find it easier to modulate input to get the best fuel economy. Its nice to know that there is a measurable difference.
I bought the k&n for my Camaro on eBay for less than 60 bucks thanks for the video!!
We just put a K&N air filter in our 2016 Nissan Murano AWD and it feels more powerful! Is it worth the money? Well it depends on your preferences.
Oh i thought about this for the mine for now. Really hate to drop 80 then GM release the theirs. Great info Matt, you're awesome.
Exactly what I suspected a drop in K&N filter would do for Performance. My prediction... Running your stock box with the K&N filter will outperform ANY aftermarket CAI you bolt on. Looking forward to your upcoming dyno testing. Great review!
+Steve Greer fyi.. Roto-Fab out performs the K&N filter by a lot.
LethalGarage you tripping, I have the rotofab and my friend that has the airaid intake tube with the K&N drop in filter stock air box made almost the same. Not worth the extra money in my opinion.
My dyno results on 3 different cars prove otherwise
I’ve been checking into cold air intakes for my camaro, but you know what I’m going with the K&N filter in stock intake housing!. Thanks for saving me $$$$$ on a C/A that isn’t worth it
I use this drop in filter in my 2015 Avalon. I feel it gives the car better airflow and as the test shows a few gains in HP. I haven't had any problems with check engine lights. I don't clean them I just buy new, they last longer than regular air filters.
I was debating spending 400 for a cai or 70 for a air filter for my 2ss . Lol U made my choice very easy . Thanks bro
Planning to do this at some point because ever since I put one in my 4th generation Camaro, I've been putting them in all of my cars. Maintenance time/cost alone is worth it after 2 or 3 stock air filter replacements.
On the HP gain, my guess is that it is generally around 1-2% gain to the wheels these days, depending upon your configuration/vehicle/tune/etc. This video and others on youtube support my estimate range. Manufactures have been getting better with weeding out modest improvements in ("stock adjustments") intake (& exhaust?) airflow to improve HP, which is what I think the K&N does. Meaning that the CPU will re-calibrate the fuel ratio and timing for a little increase/decrease in airflow, but overall the improvement won't be a lot. I think 20-25 years ago, the CPUs were less complex and a modest increase in airflow/exhaust would actually garner a larger increase in HP and torque (some claimed 10-15% with the K&N), though I have to admit I personally have nothing but seat HP as evidence to prove this. And while that type of improvement might seem like a lot for just changing an air filter, keep in mind that I'm referring engines in an era that made much less HP stock (the 5.7L LT1 was rated 275hp at the crank) and were not direct injected.
BUT 325tq. In a 3300lb first Gen 4th Gen F body 😍😍😍 fun car
Everyone is comparing this filter to cold air intakes and such. This is not the case it should be compared to other air filters and it does a pretty good job at doing what it is meant to do. Yes it increases power and you may not even notice the difference but what is so special about it is you pay $15 for the recharge kit and you use the filter until the car dies, simple. No more buying air filters and in the long run it pays for itself.
Thanks for the video! I was actually waiting for GM's cold air intake (which is supposed to come with new tune), but it's taking them forever. I watched this video and ordered one K&N for my 16 Camaro.
and eveyone do not buy a cold air intake aftermarket wise because theirs really no point because the factory intake is already drawing air from outside the engine bay. like this buy said just buy a K&N drop in replacement. now you can buy a cold air intake for your car but you have to make sure like if your doing some huge tuning for it then yea youll get good results. how everyone the stock intakes on modern cars are pretty pointless to change out for aftermarket.
Just bought a K&N drop in (It was like $65 after tax) for my Coyote F150 after discovering my old filter was packed with dirt and sand from its Canadian fleet history and my desert runs. Excited to see if it breathes better. lol.
Ghost sighting confirmed the light just turns on by itself at the end of the video. Creepy stuff man.
My father in-law stepped in and heard me making a video and didn't come all the way in.
I used a fake HKS mushroom filter on my bmw N20 for sound alone. I have a pipercross drop in on stock box and both make about the same until heat kicks in. I'm really getting interested in the 2L turbo camaro
Even if there wasn’t power gains still worth it IMO. Better than buying a new air filter every 10,000 miles at $20 each
Dang two vids in one day lets gooooo
+Beau Ramirez Lol... on fire!
I just put this in on my 16v 1SS, I love it. Next step vmax TB, i already ordered kooks longtubes..i can't wait!
Eric Watt7 how was the difference in sound ?
One thing nobody mentions with after market intakes is the hood open dyno sessions with no restriction above the cone, plus sucking cool outside air. With hood closed the cone is going to be restricted from above and if the seal is not 100% then the intake will suck in some of the hot air under the hood. I never bought into open design aftermarket cold air intakes. Less restrictive drop in filter is the way to go.
I got a 14whp gain on my G37S with no tune but the dual intakes and stock CAI which helps a decent amount in air increase of 20% compared to the single intake on the DE engines.
Every car is different, but they seem to gain a little.
hey bro I have a g37s coupe, is t the k&n worth buying , sometimes my feel sluggish at time
I know im late but the same here i gained about 18-20 hp on my 2004 Nissan Pathfinder LE Plat. ed w/VQ35 DE but i also upgraded my exhaust as well with 3" piping mated to a Flow master super 50 mildly aggressive throaty exhaust but the torque is crazy strong.
what you talkin bout my truck is dual out from the front to midway behind the muffler (Super 50 Flowmaster 2.25" dual in to 3" in out where it becomes one single pipe it's a VQ35 DE it's all stock motor.
@@torvarrisbrown7776 yes
Nice!! I've Been thinking about picking one up for my 18' Charger ScatPack!
The dyno for the drop in was done after the other dynos? With heat soak the later dynos tend to loose power
Great buy. I put one in my saturn vue and way crispier response much better running.
Definitely worth the money, gains through out the curve. Great results!
its looking like gm got the air box right. compared to the cold air intakes 'just drop in a k&n filter and see gains i think this is the way i might go can't see spending $400 for a cold air intake when your not seeing much bigger gains
you wont see gain from cai without tuning a good cai will outperform a drop in filter if given the correct tuned but then again without the ecu tuning you might even lose power over stock since the change air flow is to drastic for the engine to adjust most drop in filter from k and n work so well because they build the filter to flow with the stock engine in mind but most cai intake builder are not expecting you to run them with stock tuned or even stock exhaust
I’m picking up K&N today. How often should I clean and re oil the filter
As it looks dirty or every vehicle oil change
LethalGarage thanks man!
Probably going to order a K&N filter for my car, i am holding out for the GM CAI. Have you tried or would you try the K&N black hawk cold air intake? They claim to be making 20+ HP and there filter already showed the best bang for the buck.
+TopHatPlus No CAI is making 20HP unless they tune their car.
Sounds like the filter is my best option, until GM releases there CAI
+TopHatPlus We shall see
bro dont get in with the mindset of seeing massive gains you would be lucky to see anymore then 5 hp from cai or drop in filter without tuned i think the increase in sound and response is much more beneficial then the minor power bumpi have a c43 with drop in filter didn't see any difference on dyno hp or tq but it seem to spool the turbo a little bit faster the engine seem to be a little bit more responsive and it the intake sound a little bit better so its not a total waste but most of the time that all your gonna get from a drop in filter and that fine with me since there not very expensive
Does it make the MAF sensor dirty? Everyone keeps saying it does.
MAF sensors get dirty regardless of filter.
How's the fuel consumption? I put the K&N filter on my SLK55AMG and noticed a decrease in MPG. Can you share if you noticed and change on your MPG.
Is this better than the upgraded air box when you order a new Camaro ?
Won’t this filter let more debris ?
Is there any validity to it that the k&n oiled filter does not filter as well as a paper filter?
+camaroguy2301 no.. my vacuum t3st shows it flows better
Cotton-gauze media has to be oiled because it filters particles due to the particles sticking to the oil on the filter media and becoming part of the filter media. Most decent OEM quality paper media runs at or above 99% filtration efficiency. Oiled cotton-gauze such as K&N runs "generally" between 96-98% efficiency. I take the term "generally" to mean they had some outlying test results that were either above (not as likely) or below their test range. The other alternative is high loft synthetic filter media available in non-oiled applications.
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” k, thanks.
Hmm just looked at the Dyno sheet, basically 4-5hp and torque throughout, that tells me the stick filter/intake are already quite efficient, you only picked up 1% power
Question: I know this isn't filter related but I'm wondering if you know a tuner than can tune the magnetic ride apart from the DSC. I just don't think the DSC is worth the price they are asking, and to me, they tune it for a softer ride and I'm actually wanting to go the other direction and get more road feel.
hey bro , do these filter really make a different, I have g 37s coupe
Based on Dyno testing, they make a little more power, but nothing you will notice.
There is a video of g37 with drop in on dyno and made 13 more hp and like 20tq so definitely worth it
Your the man...Thanks for the results.
Did you have a high output fan in front of the grill to feed air in like going down the highway? If not then your HP and Tq readings are underated.
We had a fan and one blowing sufficient air into the areas where the intake pulls air from.
Hey I know this video was
From a while ago. But I was wondering which brand in ur opinion has the best drop in air filter for the v6 6th gen camaro. I was thinking between K&N, green filter, or AEM. Heard good things about the green filters but not sure
I recently had a service light pop up on my 16 SS I believe its service park assist, took it to the dealership and he said it was due to the K&N air filter any thoughts?
Your dealer is crazy
Am I missing something? The car is advertised at 455 hp, but none of your dyno test have been close to that number. Can you explain?
That's 455hp to the motor, not to the rear wheels. That 455hp will drop once it gets to the wheels, that's why you see the drop.
+David Rye The SAE number GM reports is at the fly wheel of the motor. Your drive moraine will typically see a 10-17% loss of power. My results are showing a 12% drive train loss, which is actually really good.
Thank for the info.
What do you think about the K&N Blackhawk Cold Air Intake System?
+Sergio Moreira I don't know what to think as I can't buy one in CA nor have I found anyone willing to ship one to me.
Ahh that sucks, would have loved to see how it would hold up against the Roto-Fab. Either way great videos!
this was actually my first mod lol
Terrence Sanchez do you recommend??
How much power did it add??
i noticed in may and june you had recall videos
there's a link below and above
+thomas halikas I have one, need to edit it and post it
if it breaths easyer it has to gain something even 5hp max mabee a slight change in cooler motor some are just going for a bit of engine sound id say you will get that
Do you have to add oil to the filter when you buy it?
Nope
Does this fit on the v6?
+Ervin Carrillo no. V8 only
How much more horsepower gain?
starent veveo 5 horsepower and 4 lb ft of torque
I’m just happy with i don’t need to change acdelco filter everytime i change my engine oil. In ROK chemicals are too expensive to camaro
Going get the roto fab in next few weeks!
+M.A. Customs it's worth it
You never told us how much gain you got? Was it 1hp, 1tq? or 5hp,5tq, or 25 hp, 25 tq who knows.?
The power numbers are shown in the graph.
it's completely better because you are not buying a new filter every 10k or so with a stock filter.
tell you the truth k and n works fine out of the box in my experience i really don't like cleaning them got cel lit up after cleaning and re oil the filter had to take it to dealer to get reset drop in brand new k and n and no issue in some car when you're oil it some of that get onto the mass air flow sensor im pretty sure i fucked tup on the re oil part but i just throw them away after 20k or so and replace them with a brand new k and n my c43 oem filter cost about as much as a brand new k and n anyway so actually saving money by doubling the mileage on the filter there really no performance increase just some extra intake noise and the turbo seems to spool a little faster so im happy with it
Did your engine light go on ?
Ray Delfa no it won’t make any light come on just dropped a k&n filter in my stock air box yesterday
Hey Lethal, I'm pretty new to this. What are the best performance options for a 2016-2017 SS?
Thanks
+Emirates what are your goals with the car?
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” Better sound, more horsepower and torque. The usual stuff people would get.
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” Headers, exhaust system, cold air take system would be ideal?
+Emirates CAI, Headers, Intake Manifold, exhaust is a great start
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” Thanks, Lethal. I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the content. And thank you for inspiring me to get a 6 gen SS.
So what are the results? What HP and Torque gains did you pick up?
Does work love kn
Am I missing something? Why is your Camaro only making 394hp when it should be making close to 445 at least? How many miles on it and what did you do to it? lol
445 at the wheels? You crazy? A stock Camaro will make 388-398 on a normal dyno.
So under amazing circumstances the LT1 produces 455? I'm just curious since Dodge and Ford engines will easily be able to get about 80% of their spec's power to. The wheel on a single dyno test... Interesting.
455 at the crank not wheels.
Devoldo I see you don’t know much about horsepower. Like he said, the advertised horsepower by car companies, in this case Chevy’s 455 horsepower advertising, is at the crank, not the wheels. At the wheels, this is a normal amount of horsepower on a 6th gen Camaro SS.
Devoldo Its called drivetrain loss. Power is lost through the transmission, differential, etc. About 12% for manuals, 15-17% for automatics from crank to wheel horsepower. So 394 at the wheels is about 450hp at the crank. About perfect for a stock Camaro when you consider all the variables that come into place that cause differences in dyno readings.
People usually say that you gain nothing by changing only the air filter,well.....seeing is believing.......i'll change mine to a k&n too!!!!you gained 6 hp so simply,without further mods!!!!!!
Best way is to see for yourself. Buy one and let us know your disappointment.
and it last 50,000 miles , paid for itself in a year of driving
I wonder if the greens drop in filter is any better....
+CODE RED I have no idea.
Green filters are for mercedes benz pretty much same as kn..
Did you disconnect and reconnect the battery when you changed the filter?
THANKS
I will not buy it, but it’s very good video.
I wonder if they make a bigger turbo for the the 4 cylinder? hmmm. That'd be badass if precision made a bigger replacement turbo.. I gotta tell ya. these lil 2.0l engines are badass. gets up to 101 real easy.. hehe...
I have heard a good CAI can increase HP by 20+
Nice video mate. Have a sub
Thanks Mac.
That horsepower difference is about what you would expect between a 1st and 2nd dyno run on any engine. I like K&N filters, and use them, but there isn't an increase in power over a new, clean, stock style filter. The people who are replacing some a dirty stock air filter with a new K&N are obviously going to notice a difference. The biggest actual difference is the sound. A K&N is very loud and adds a whistle most of the time.
You sir are 100% wrong I put drop in kn filters on my wife g37 sedan and it show a gain of 17 whp to the wheel I was in shock. Oh and the paper filters wasn't dirty at all. So do a research before posting these non sense comments not every vehicle is the same some respond better than others for mods....
K&N's cotton-gauze filter media has some of the worst filter efficiency, and accumulative capacity/gain of any factory or aftermarket filter media. It has some of the lowest initial restriction, but that's because K&N's filters are poor at actually filtering. Basically, only buy one if you want to introduce your nice engine to new levels of dirt and dust. These comments are based on various ISO5011 test results posted on the web comparing K&N to other aftermarket and OEM brands. I'd run an OEM, R2C, or S&B drop-in well before I'd let a K&N product come near my vehicle.
That's simply your opinion, but I've had the engines in my atvs, cars, etc, for years with no issues. As long as you clean and oil the K&N properly, you're fine. The oil is the secret to the filtration, never use one without oil.
+Alfred Hernandez K&N's own site shows that they are "generally" at 96-98% filter efficiency based on their own testing vs typical Paper (ex. AC Delco) which is around 99% or greater. The only thing that's my opinion is that I'd rather not sacrifice filtration performance for minimal of not completely insignificant gains. An ISO test standard is a reference for consistent comparison. No opinion there. I'm not saying your sand blasting your engine using a K&N, but filtration IS something to consider in addition to overall reduction in restriction etc.
+97Chebbie yeah, but on a clean city street that percentage is irrelevant, your engine will still last a very long time, plus no more buying paper filters.
+Alfred Hernandez I'll agree on the questionable relevancy of absolute filtration based on a specific "clean" scenario. I would, however, question why one wouldn't use a filter or intake that didn't have better filtration efficiency than K&N while having equal or greater flow and reduced restriction. Those products exist, so I don't understand the compromise. I've used K&N in the past, but there are better alternatives based on results from various standardized tests.
+97Chebbie the price, perhaps many don't want to pay hundreds more for an intake that isn't going to give much better results than just a drop in K&N? Perhaps something like exhaust, tune, etc, is where that money would go?
Anyone ever use the green drop-in filter on their Camaro
Would be great to see the cold air kit tested. LSXmagazine saw a 25rwhp jump with the aircharger and typhoon kit on the 400hp gen 5 camaro.
www.lsxmag.com/tech-stories/engine/dyno-test-4-kn-vs-aem-5th-gen-camaro-intake-options/
Unfortunately the 6th gens do not see gains like the 5th gens saw.
Actually your test was just an element swap...the Gen 5 only gained 8hp/8.4lb-ft. You gained 4.4hp/4.8lb-ft.
The 6th Gen test I've seen done by Superchevy,the Air Charger kit gained only 11.1 rwhp...BUT it gained 26.8 RWTQ.
www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1602-add-27-lb-ft-to-your-2016-camaro-in-30-minutes/
save your money, get a cam and tune it will make you smile
How is 1% horsepower gain worth 80 bucks?
and you can't feel that, especially in a 400hp+ car.
+goodoldjam dollar per hp gain... it's the best available, that's how.
Well hotrod did 3 pulls on a stock 2016 and do you know what the difference was between the best and worst? It was 4 horsepower, I'm just pointing out that it's such a small increase it's almost not even measurable. More pulls on the dyno would net you more.
goodoldjam
pulls on the Dyno aren't going to do a damn thing. dyno tuning will net you the most hp for the money.
What a fucking door knob eh? Can you believe the idiot even asked that question?
Car was way far forward on the dyno rollers
More air will go in initially but the computer will re adjust back to original horsepower after a few drives.
Steve mt3 no it won’t stfu
gregrob20---- you are so WRONG on the K & N filter. There is absolutely no filter on the market that can provide 100% protection from dirt particles getting through the filter. Every filter including paper let's a few particles of dirt pass it. Have been using K&N for over 10 years with out any problems. Look up PAPER filter vs K& N filter dirt test the out come will surprise you.
I sent you a message on Instagram regarding cars and coffee. My friend who started socalheadturners can post a flyer to get out a bunch of sixth gens.
+RevModz let.me.makemsure my bride will let me free.
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” forsure, thank you for replying
Good thing is, K&N are reusable. You'll probably never have to buy an air filter again lol.
Performance wise, well that's questionable. But hey, every little gain counts right? Lol, not...
Except he showed dyno proof.
Bought this for my New GT stang😍
The reason they provide a gain is because they are SHIT at filtering out particulates.... I'll take a well-designed cold air intake with a larger filter so you can get the best of both worlds, proper filtration AND more flow due to larger surface area. That 4hp gain is going to go away when your engine ingests enough dirt to cause a poor ring seal. I think I would stick with the paper element and sleep easy knowing my engine is getting well-filtered air rather than risk it for this miniscule gain.
Wrong! That's what the oil is for so it can filter out all of those particles! I have a K&N on my atv, no problems when I ride through sand and dust, been doing this for years. The oil in the filter is the secret to its filtration, while allowing excellent airflow. K&N filters work! They're used in offroad applications all the time, in much dustier conditions than you will ever see on a clean city road.
That's why participants run oiled filters at the Baja 1000 and in combat deployments to desert environments. They allow better air flow and trap far more debris and particles.
There are many videos disproving that point... Oil analysis proves that there is no more dirt getting passed the filter into the oil than a standard paper filter as long as they're maintained properly. What ever little tiny specs of dirt happen to pass through the filter gets trapped in the oil filter anyway...
Darksyne DOD tests show the result of oiled filters being superior in desert environments. My peers whom run the Baja also concur with the findings. I've run dynos on both and found these they both provide better throttle responses, and high end TQ, but the largest difference is environmental taskings.
gregrob20 I had my oil tested for the 3 major components that cause damage to a engine... the K&N did better in all 3 areas than my stock paper filter
That’s only what 5 more hp
Lol maybe you need a calculator hahaha
imagine a new car
Paper filter $20
recharge kit $25 and you get conservatively two uses out of it.
car lasts you 10-15 years and you change the filter conservatively 2 times a year
that's a $15 a year savings so after 10 years $100 - $80 for filter
in a new car the cloth filter will actually save you money. Not much granted but still.
Mighty car mods has already debunked this myth
Daniel Flowers pretty sure that was cold air intakes. Not replacement filters for the stock air box.
Kirk Cobain the drop in filters that you have to clean and spray the oil on them were mentioned. There was no significant gains by using them. Also, the oils often get on the 02 sensor and cause it to burn out. I have had both a cold air intake and drop in filter and this has also been my personal experience.
@@danielflowers1985 if you getting oil on your O2 sensor then you have a whole other issue lol
@@randyschmidt19 lol I'm talking about the oil that you spray on the k&n type filters after you clean them.
@@danielflowers1985 unfortunately I knew that. Hence the chuckle.
These are great filters for people that buy new cars every two years. Sure it screws the next owner with a more damaged engine, but who cares about the next owner?
How does a drop in kn filter screw the next owner? You didn’t explain yourself at all that’s a pretty dumb thing to do, make some ridiculous claim and then not even explain yourself. I think you’re stupid.
Is this good for the v6?