Thanks so much for taking all the time and doing the work showing us the results. I am little surprised as well. You just saved me $300-$400 bucks though. :-)
I did see the thread on the camaro 6th. Interesting info... Let me know if you have any updates. 2 questions from your videos. So do manuals transmissions not have that catalytic "safety" feature? Also did you say in a video the manual transmissions dont have the active fuel management? Thanks again
Can you really test the effects of a CAI while the car is standing still with the hood up? I was under the impression that a CAI improves engine performance by drawing in cooler air from the grill instead of breathing the heated air swirling inside the engine bay.
dude awesome video! I installed the green drop in filter in the stock box. the reason why is because I looked at the stock intake and thought there is no way it's restrictive. I will install the throttle body and msd manifold with testing. it will be on my channel when I get the installation done. also did some exhaust mods to the stock exhaust and explain in one of my videos. thanks again for making this video!
Thanks for making this video. This is the exact type of comparison that I was hoping to see when i subscribed to your channel. I hope to see these keep coming. I also REALLY appreciate the links to skip to different sections. I would like if you were able to include these on all your future videos.
Thanks so much for investing your time to do this. And, thanks for saving me some money. Was seriously thinking about getting a CAI but not anymore. Thanks again!
I don't even own a camaro. (13 challenger) buy your channel is pretty awesome and this intake test was very informative, I definitely was kinda shocked by the results. keep up the good work!
Something to note here. The AC being on most likely did not have any effect. I haven't tuned a new Camaro yet, but the 5th Gens and the new Corvettes as well as Chevy Cruze's and Silverados have a setting in the tune, that after either a certain RPM (varies but my 2011 Camaro was 4500RPM), or certain amount of throttle (varies but my 2011 Camaro was 90%) the AC compressor switches off. So knowing that when he went wide open on throttle on Dyno I'm 99.5% sure it switched it off. Great test btw, so overall i really think there was a decent bump in HP and TQ.
Great comparo ...now I'm rethinking some things. If the stock filter is even with the aftermarket intakes then I'm betting the K&N will knock it out of the park. I'm going to dyno my car this weekend so we'll see.
I am no expert, just giving my 2 cents worth. Also thank you for spending your time to do this for all of us Camaro fans. It is greatly appreciated! If the point of cold air intakes is to prevent engine heat from preheating the air that goes into the engine then wouldn't letting the engine cool before each run work against the cold air intakes? I would think that the engine would need to be hot already to see any gain from a cold air intake system. With a cold engine the air going in would be 97 degrees, if the engine was hot the air might be preheated to say 110, the cold air intake would supposedly prevent this preheating.
The big issue is if you don;t let it run the entire motor heat soaks... the coolants, oils, fluids, etc overheat and the entire motor will drop a bit in power.
+Lethalhammer I had the same thoughts on this heat issue. one of the first things I noticed about the cold air induction was that it had insulation on the inside of the air box. this to me was a "wow this must really help keep out heat". maybe you could simulate this on the stock box by adding a thin layer to the outside of the stock box for the next test. even if we're only talking about initial engine heat that R5-R7 rated insulation may be the difference we seen in this testing between stock and the CAI.
RotoFab is the best because of the open cavity where the filter is. Yea, those closed boxes, keep the air cooler that is being sucked in and it looks purty with the window but they actually did a test with the factory air box. They literally just took the top cover off and dyno tested it, and instantly gained 15, with the factory filter and 20, with a K&N filter. So, that proves an open box CAI is the way to go.
Still have my stock airbox thanks to you. Can't wait to see the Roto-Fab CAI results. I tried getting the GM CAI but they took it off of their accessories list at the dealership and I can't find it online anymore. I even gave them the part # 23408280. It's not available but the price is still there which is $525. I'll wait for your Roto-Fab video.
Great video! As mentioned, the AC compressor disengages at WOT so the AC being on did not likely affect HP...especially not up in the top of the rpm range. Why does that shop not use an SAE correction factor? That would help mitigate the extreme temps for comparison purposes. Lastly, why does the car throw a puff of black smoke (fuel rich) at the top of the pulls? Is the AFR THAT rich or is something else going on? (Misfire).. Great job on the vid as usual....and saving all of your subscribers $400 on cold air intakes...lol
+ajrothm I think it has to do with the crap these motors are building off into the cats getting blown out at WOT. As for the AC on or off. We saw a 376 -395hp reading difference. So with it on, we saw some low numbers regardless of the Tech that disengaged it at WOT.
I have never been sold on the idea of CAI increasing power and I think you just proved my point. However, I do run K&N drop in filters in the stock air box of my 2013 Camaro LS3. When you dyno'd the car with the stock box, was there a paper filter installed? If so, I would love to see the results of a stock air box run comparing a paper GM filter and a K&N drop in replacement filter. From my experience with the K&N, there is a performance sound difference that the cotton filter makes over the paper filter alone. Here is my theory on these CAI systems. I think that any power gain is due to the filter used and not necessarily the design of the air box. This is the most in depth video on cold air boxes on uTube. Great job!
Awesome man , now another test can be : drop in a K&N rectangular oiled filter( just the filter replacement) and the stock box , and with this we"ll se if just the filter give us more air flow= + HP , probably yes ? Probably no .
The CAI needs the tune. The car is tuned for the stock air box. MAF Sensor is moved further away from air filter yes it makes a difference and needs to have the tune for the new air flow of the CAI. The readings will be off.
wouldnt you think that when GM did their testing on their stock cold air induction system for the camaro that if they thought there was any way to pull a few more H.P.s and torques out of a stock enigne by changing the air box they would have done just that. i dont think changing over to a c.a.i. will make that much difference
You need the tune from GM that goes with the CAI intake. CAI makes the GM Performance CAI's and the GM performance comes with a GM tune that does not void the warranty.
After tinkering with performance air filters in my sportbike and car, they do very little to no power improvements without a tune and better exhaust to back it up.
I just look al KN website and they release an intake system , the blackhawk oil free filter , they claim 20 HP , the kit costs 363 , very interesting to see if there is real gain in the " performance intakes" ,
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” awesome findings... it seemed something was up, as changing my intake Cts v (although an LSA not the same platform) did see a bump. I wouldn't expect it to be different for a Camaro. but vital finding for people thinking they can put an intake on without a tune for those cars.
Big 3 are in the horsepower wars, they won’t leave free hp on the table to make their intakes “quieter”. You don’t buy these cars to be quiet. Chambers in a stock intake can be there to handle airflow anomalies by adding volume where neeeded. I’m no engineer, but I trust the actual engineers who have looked at everything they can to get a few hp over their competition. Maybe CAIs will have more effect on luxury cars or trucks. Heck, my stock setup is a CAI with air coming in from a hood scoop, headlight and fender.
Well the Car is stock tuned so wouldnt it make sense for the stock intake to make the best performance? Any other intake would only show peak performance IF and ONLY IF the car is tuned for it. Wouldnt that make the most sense?
If the vehicle is tuned with an aftermarket tune, the CAI intake looses power over stock. But they advertise this product without a tune should make power gains.
In an everyday aspect your hood is down. I know stock airboxes now for the coyote and the GM can flow more than you'll produce NA. Can support up to 500+. Best thing to do is a drop in filter. Do this test hood closed and you'll see even crazier results. The open filters will pull in some engine bay air where stock pulls only external air.
+Tim Chaney that's the common sense response... which I know. But when these companies claim gains of much more without a tune, that's what this video is targeting.
Sorry but I have tested EVERY CAI kit out there, on 5.0's, 2004-06 GTO's and Camaos 4th, 5th and 6th gen, none of them make any power to write hone about (under 4 hp). These tests must be conducted with the "hood closed" in order for results to not be skewed. Putting airflow over the air intake that is not there while actually driving is called altering the facts. Tuning/speed shops are in tbe business of making $ and snake oil sales. I've been on both sides. Also from a flow dynamics stand point. Every 30° bend in tubinf creates a choke point that reduces flow by 6-8%. On the cars I mentioned theres close to 60°-70° bend, so 15-17% airflow restriction. That translstes to a power loss of about 23-28hp losses. A straight in flow would eliminate this, like the old C6 vettes with a air intake vent/slit on the nose of the hood and on older pre 2016 5fh gen Camaro V8's. Problem is the air intake tubes curved to much.
The only intake we have tested that did better than numbers within margins of error are the Roto-Fab setups. The Big Gulp on a built motor picked up significant power gains.
If you would...ive always used drop in filters and it seems as though they work better than cai or the paper but never had the opportunity to test it out.
I ran some Mishimoto stuff on my 2015 WRX and I was not impressed. First off, they are known for overstating gains in the Subaru community. Secondly I bought a $1000 intercooler from them and it fit like shit. I pulled all their stuff off, bought ETS products and never looked back. I would never run a Mishimoto product on my Camaro. I have an OEM GM z28 CAI on my 2015 1LE and I love it. Nothing better than stock fit and finish IMHO. 411
Hey I just watch your vid great advice but I did notice that you had the tops of the C.A.I. Installed on your Dyno runs which is a restriction also you have a California car where the car is tuned extra lean to meet your states emissions laws (sucks ass) I think you maxed out your car with the ported throttle body and the exhaust system. You might get a little more out of it with headers as the car is, but you need a tune before you will see any more real gains and be able to take advantage of a C.A.I.
sigh... what you have at 9:42 showing isnt a cold air intake, its a short ram, CAI's usually run straight down to the front of the car somewhere around the bottom of the bumper and are a problem when it rains because of hydro-locking being a problem :P Unless I cant see it and its directing straight air from outside the car in, its a short ram
I've always heard that the engine needs a tune before you see some real hp gains but I'm not a mechanic. One quick question, don't you need to tune the engine to be able to get those 10 hp gains?
+IpickedTheR3Dp1LL No tune here. These companies sell these products as a pure bolt on only product. If you have your car tuned you will of course see gains... but you also void your warranty
+Lethalhammer correct me if I'm wrong but wouldnt that be why you are seeing better gains on the Chevy intake instead of the others because the engine is tuned for that air intake?
I have heard that, I also heard you don't need a tune. I need to do more research. I don't want to jack up the factory warranty for sure, but if it doesn't need a tune, then that's the way to go with the factory airbox K&N high flow filter and call it a day. The car I drove with it ( but didn't purchase ) there was a noticeable difference from a normal 2016 stock car. Thanks for your input - And a big thanks for all your video's ... there some good info here on your channel. Rasie some money for that ZL-1 !
i seen another youtuber get basically the same results when he put a cold air intake on a honda s2000 he dynod both stock and after market and it showed he lost hp and trq over stock intake i think that buying a cold air intake is just a wast of money on certain cars it seems that the factory got it right the first time
+thelma duffy but was that car turbo ed? We did a little experiment while on the dyno and did a smaller diameter tube and a stack filter and saw big HP and TQ gains.
yes i believe that but on some engines like 6.2 ls1 and the 2.0 vetech motor on the honda s2000 i believe they got it right. I'm glad your doing this testing it let me know what I'm going to buy for my 6th gen ss i have already put on the mishimoto catch can that you recommended and I'm planing on putting on the vitesse throttle controller
I watched the whole video. Are you still going to be giving away one of these? I'm definitely not going to buy one anymore. Unless Gm still releases one with a tune. (which I don't think is going to happen anymore)
The worst thing someone could do is buy you a Dyno machine haha. You would just be gone from 5am until 10pm every night testing all these aftermarket parts haha. Then the combinations. To finish this up for you all, I have a stock 2014 Camaro SS, almost new still (4889 miles). Been garaged and driven minimal. Nothing upgraded!. Ill get the RotoFab and do a before Dyno with stock, and then install the RotoFab and do a Dyno test. Ill wait 1 week after driving with RotoFab and do another Dyno test. Then upload it here.
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” well I love how limited it is and offers a real behind the scenes aspect of the individual. Obviously you are headed in the right direction with all the following but just wanted to know. All the best!
I don't drive my car with the hood up...I don't drive my car without a hood, either. Why can't you run the tests with the hood closed so we know how good/bad these things are at drawing in 'outside' air? Tests with the hood up look bogus to me.
Thanks so much for taking all the time and doing the work showing us the results. I am little surprised as well.
You just saved me $300-$400 bucks though. :-)
I did see the thread on the camaro 6th. Interesting info... Let me know if you have any updates.
2 questions from your videos. So do manuals transmissions not have that catalytic "safety" feature? Also did you say in a video the manual transmissions dont have the active fuel management?
Thanks again
+Jack Roman Manuals have COT. And no manuals do not have AFM.
Thank you for doing this test. I've always stayed away from buying anything Mishimoto makes.
+Apex holland I do really like their catch can.
Can you really test the effects of a CAI while the car is standing still with the hood up? I was under the impression that a CAI improves engine performance by drawing in cooler air from the grill instead of breathing the heated air swirling inside the engine bay.
dude awesome video! I installed the green drop in filter in the stock box. the reason why is because I looked at the stock intake and thought there is no way it's restrictive. I will install the throttle body and msd manifold with testing. it will be on my channel when I get the installation done. also did some exhaust mods to the stock exhaust and explain in one of my videos. thanks again for making this video!
+Clayton Yates nice. Testing drop in f8lters myself.
Gr8 info. I've been looking for vids on this subject... and thanks for the new runs with AC off lol😇
Now we have to add the obligatory scandal title. How about "intakegate"! Great video Matt, you are truly doing a service to us 6 gen owners.
+Tridius Just posting the real world data.
Thanks for making this video. This is the exact type of comparison that I was hoping to see when i subscribed to your channel. I hope to see these keep coming. I also REALLY appreciate the links to skip to different sections. I would like if you were able to include these on all your future videos.
Thanks so much for investing your time to do this. And, thanks for saving me some money. Was seriously thinking about getting a CAI but not anymore. Thanks again!
Really well done Mat. Really surprising too. Oh well good sound, good look, and an extra pony or 2.
I don't even own a camaro. (13 challenger) buy your channel is pretty awesome and this intake test was very informative, I definitely was kinda shocked by the results. keep up the good work!
+jamie Thanks
looks like i'm gunna keep rockin my stock intake thank for saving me a buck
Dude you're awesome. Thank you for the video ticks. Subscribed.
Something to note here. The AC being on most likely did not have any effect. I haven't tuned a new Camaro yet, but the 5th Gens and the new Corvettes as well as Chevy Cruze's and Silverados have a setting in the tune, that after either a certain RPM (varies but my 2011 Camaro was 4500RPM), or certain amount of throttle (varies but my 2011 Camaro was 90%) the AC compressor switches off. So knowing that when he went wide open on throttle on Dyno I'm 99.5% sure it switched it off.
Great test btw, so overall i really think there was a decent bump in HP and TQ.
+PWRVTEC The increase I don't think came from any of the CAI's. But the exhaust.
Great video man! Keep it coming!
I feel ya buddy the heat, buddy. I live in Texas and have to deal with it too. Hopefully it helps with the sticky tires to asphalt at least.
Great comparo ...now I'm rethinking some things. If the stock filter is even with the aftermarket intakes then I'm betting the K&N will knock it out of the park. I'm going to dyno my car this weekend so we'll see.
I just ordered the k@n..on my 3rd camaro ss and k@n always beat the other c.a.i
I am no expert, just giving my 2 cents worth. Also thank you for spending your time to do this for all of us Camaro fans. It is greatly appreciated!
If the point of cold air intakes is to prevent engine heat from preheating the air that goes into the engine then wouldn't letting the engine cool before each run work against the cold air intakes? I would think that the engine would need to be hot already to see any gain from a cold air intake system.
With a cold engine the air going in would be 97 degrees, if the engine was hot the air might be preheated to say 110, the cold air intake would supposedly prevent this preheating.
The big issue is if you don;t let it run the entire motor heat soaks... the coolants, oils, fluids, etc overheat and the entire motor will drop a bit in power.
+Lethalhammer
I had the same thoughts on this heat issue. one of the first things I noticed about the cold air induction was that it had insulation on the inside of the air box. this to me was a "wow this must really help keep out heat". maybe you could simulate this on the stock box by adding a thin layer to the outside of the stock box for the next test. even if we're only talking about initial engine heat that R5-R7 rated insulation may be the difference we seen in this testing between stock and the CAI.
Been waiting for this video!
+gmancena14 So have I
RotoFab is the best because of the open cavity where the filter is. Yea, those closed boxes, keep the air cooler that is being sucked in and it looks purty with the window but they actually did a test with the factory air box. They literally just took the top cover off and dyno tested it, and instantly gained 15, with the factory filter and 20, with a K&N filter. So, that proves an open box CAI is the way to go.
As soon as you close the hood with an open element filter that 20hp goes out the window
Still have my stock airbox thanks to you. Can't wait to see the Roto-Fab CAI results. I tried getting the GM CAI but they took it off of their accessories list at the dealership and I can't find it online anymore. I even gave them the part # 23408280. It's not available but the price is still there which is $525. I'll wait for your Roto-Fab video.
Great video man! Saved me some money :)
Would be nice to see CAI comparisons on a fbo heads/cam car including the JLT 5", all options tuned to max power.
They usually add a tune with it which is where they get their "increase"
If a manufacturer advertises a claim for hp increase without a tune, yet uses a tune to get their claimed results, that’s still fraud.
You get more with the GM performance (CAI makes the CAI) as it has the tune with it and it definitely changes TB response also.
Great video!
As mentioned, the AC compressor disengages at WOT so the AC being on did not likely affect HP...especially not up in the top of the rpm range.
Why does that shop not use an SAE correction factor? That would help mitigate the extreme temps for comparison purposes.
Lastly, why does the car throw a puff of black smoke (fuel rich) at the top of the pulls? Is the AFR THAT rich or is something else going on? (Misfire)..
Great job on the vid as usual....and saving all of your subscribers $400 on cold air intakes...lol
+ajrothm I think it has to do with the crap these motors are building off into the cats getting blown out at WOT.
As for the AC on or off. We saw a 376 -395hp reading difference. So with it on, we saw some low numbers regardless of the Tech that disengaged it at WOT.
I have never been sold on the idea of CAI increasing power and I think you just proved my point. However, I do run K&N drop in filters in the stock air box of my 2013 Camaro LS3. When you dyno'd the car with the stock box, was there a paper filter installed? If so, I would love to see the results of a stock air box run comparing a paper GM filter and a K&N drop in replacement filter. From my experience with the K&N, there is a performance sound difference that the cotton filter makes over the paper filter alone. Here is my theory on these CAI systems. I think that any power gain is due to the filter used and not necessarily the design of the air box. This is the most in depth video on cold air boxes on uTube. Great job!
+Steve Greer having issues getting K&N to sell me a filter. #Carb
Awesome man , now another test can be : drop in a K&N rectangular oiled filter( just the filter replacement) and the stock box , and with this we"ll se if just the filter give us more air flow= + HP , probably yes ? Probably no .
+elvicdesonora on the list.
+Lethalhammer thanks bro
Wow... Good video, shocking results. If like to see what BBK does as well.
Great video well done
When the car revs down it sounds like a flying saucer landing!
Any chance that you can try the stock box with a high performance filter the next time you dyno?
Its on the list. Saving pennies to buy one.
Thanks for the video. One less mod when I get my 6th gen
Did you ever test the roto-fab? I didn't see it on your channel!
Have you thought about testing the air raid cold air intake?
So if the AC was on low, why wouldn't you just keep it on the same setting for the next runs? Condensation getting on the rollers?
The CAI needs the tune. The car is tuned for the stock air box. MAF Sensor is moved further away from air filter yes it makes a difference and needs to have the tune for the new air flow of the CAI. The readings will be off.
wouldnt you think that when GM did their testing on their stock cold air induction system for the camaro that if they thought there was any way to pull a few more H.P.s and torques out of a stock enigne by changing the air box they would have done just that. i dont think changing over to a c.a.i. will make that much difference
agree, a good performance filter is far far cheaper then $500 CIA
You need the tune from GM that goes with the CAI intake. CAI makes the GM Performance CAI's and the GM performance comes with a GM tune that does not void the warranty.
The tune also does nothing for the vehicle.
THANKS FOR YOUR OPINION!
@@rogerhowell6365 I mean, it’s backed up with dyno data across multiple shops. It’s unfortunate, but true.
After tinkering with performance air filters in my sportbike and car, they do very little to no power improvements without a tune and better exhaust to back it up.
+2DMNSERIOUS Yup... I agree. But when companies advertise gains as a direct bolt on... I wanted to see what was really happening.
I just look al KN website and they release an intake system , the blackhawk oil free filter , they claim 20 HP , the kit costs 363 , very interesting to see if there is real gain in the " performance intakes" ,
it takes a while for these ecu to relearn and adjust... idk seems like the ecu carried over learning.
+RTA MOTORSPORTS it's hard to tell. We let the car go idle and run for a bit with revs and all. Will be doing more testing.
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” awesome findings... it seemed something was up, as changing my intake Cts v (although an LSA not the same platform) did see a bump. I wouldn't expect it to be different for a Camaro. but vital finding for people thinking they can put an intake on without a tune for those cars.
Surprising! I have the Cold Air Inductions CAI but have not tested...sounds great though. Isn't the GM CAI the same as Cold Air Induction's?
I read where CAI was making them for GM.
+Camaro Legend Theirs is refer3nced off the CAI. Intake.
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” ...also, I'm Yellowfin on Camaro6
Big 3 are in the horsepower wars, they won’t leave free hp on the table to make their intakes “quieter”. You don’t buy these cars to be quiet. Chambers in a stock intake can be there to handle airflow anomalies by adding volume where neeeded. I’m no engineer, but I trust the actual engineers who have looked at everything they can to get a few hp over their competition. Maybe CAIs will have more effect on luxury cars or trucks. Heck, my stock setup is a CAI with air coming in from a hood scoop, headlight and fender.
curious to know your thoughts and the numbers on a stock intake with a kn filter replacement
+Bryan Henneke That is next in testing.
Well the Car is stock tuned so wouldnt it make sense for the stock intake to make the best performance? Any other intake would only show peak performance IF and ONLY IF the car is tuned for it. Wouldnt that make the most sense?
If the vehicle is tuned with an aftermarket tune, the CAI intake looses power over stock.
But they advertise this product without a tune should make power gains.
Sledgie, thanks for the time investment making this video!
+Tara Rene Martin It was my pleasure. Just wish it wasn't so hot.
In an everyday aspect your hood is down. I know stock airboxes now for the coyote and the GM can flow more than you'll produce NA. Can support up to 500+. Best thing to do is a drop in filter.
Do this test hood closed and you'll see even crazier results. The open filters will pull in some engine bay air where stock pulls only external air.
Some cais such as airaid and cold air inductions are closed design
stock intake worked better cause that's what the car is tuned to use. Changing parts without tuning the ecu isn't gonna give you gains.
+Tim Chaney that's the common sense response... which I know. But when these companies claim gains of much more without a tune, that's what this video is targeting.
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” gotcha. Nicely done regardless.
OK maybe I skipped to much and you said this but you have the aftermarket exhaust. Is that the duel mode? And what mode did you test in?
Yes it has Dual mode and the car ran in Track mode.
Sure you selling that rear diffuser behind you?
Sorry but I have tested EVERY CAI kit out there, on 5.0's, 2004-06 GTO's and Camaos 4th, 5th and 6th gen, none of them make any power to write hone about (under 4 hp). These tests must be conducted with the "hood closed" in order for results to not be skewed. Putting airflow over the air intake that is not there while actually driving is called altering the facts. Tuning/speed shops are in tbe business of making $ and snake oil sales. I've been on both sides. Also from a flow dynamics stand point. Every 30° bend in tubinf creates a choke point that reduces flow by 6-8%. On the cars I mentioned theres close to 60°-70° bend, so 15-17% airflow restriction. That translstes to a power loss of about 23-28hp losses. A straight in flow would eliminate this, like the old C6 vettes with a air intake vent/slit on the nose of the hood and on older pre 2016 5fh gen Camaro V8's. Problem is the air intake tubes curved to much.
The only intake we have tested that did better than numbers within margins of error are the Roto-Fab setups. The Big Gulp on a built motor picked up significant power gains.
I thought a tune was needed to get anything out of a CAI or CAI/exhaust combo?
If you want beyond what the aftermarket peeps say it can do a tune is needed. but most advertise gains as a simple bolt-on.
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” ok thanks
Is the paper filter being used in the stock box? Also can you do a run with a dry flow drop in filter into the stock box to see what the results are?
+JIMBO SLICE stock box is just that, what came from GM. I am.going to see about getting drop-ins.
If you would...ive always used drop in filters and it seems as though they work better than cai or the paper but never had the opportunity to test it out.
+JIMBO SLICE we shall see
Was the plastic baffle that seats between the grill and radiator removed?
Their is a rubber damn which remained, not sure what you mean by baffle.
I ran some Mishimoto stuff on my 2015 WRX and I was not impressed. First off, they are known for overstating gains in the Subaru community. Secondly I bought a $1000 intercooler from them and it fit like shit. I pulled all their stuff off, bought ETS products and never looked back. I would never run a Mishimoto product on my Camaro. I have an OEM GM z28 CAI on my 2015 1LE and I love it. Nothing better than stock fit and finish IMHO. 411
Hey I just watch your vid great advice but I did notice that you had the tops of the C.A.I. Installed on your Dyno runs which is a restriction also you have a California car where the car is tuned extra lean to meet your states emissions laws (sucks ass) I think you maxed out your car with the ported throttle body and the exhaust system. You might get a little more out of it with headers as the car is, but you need a tune before you will see any more real gains and be able to take advantage of a C.A.I.
sigh... what you have at 9:42 showing isnt a cold air intake, its a short ram, CAI's usually run straight down to the front of the car somewhere around the bottom of the bumper and are a problem when it rains because of hydro-locking being a problem :P Unless I cant see it and its directing straight air from outside the car in, its a short ram
6th gen camaro air boxes have a hope connecting to a snorkel for an air intake on the driver side of the front bumper stock
At 23:35 Younger Hulk hogan walked through the shop!
I've always heard that the engine needs a tune before you see some real hp gains but I'm not a mechanic. One quick question, don't you need to tune the engine to be able to get those 10 hp gains?
+IpickedTheR3Dp1LL No tune here. These companies sell these products as a pure bolt on only product. If you have your car tuned you will of course see gains... but you also void your warranty
+Lethalhammer correct me if I'm wrong but wouldnt that be why you are seeing better gains on the Chevy intake instead of the others because the engine is tuned for that air intake?
+IpickedTheR3Dp1LL Basically. These companies typically design their products to provide better airflow with the stock tune.
+Lethalhammer ok thanks for the info. I really like your channel and the details you provide. looking forward to your next video.
I usually run my intake with the lid off
this makes me sad, I was so wanting the mishimoto BUT o well. So I guess it's gonna be Rotofab or K an N.
You have ported throttle body? Tried with stock throttle body?
+Samuel Lopez no reason to test with stock as the Paul Table proved to gain power.
Have you considered a MSD Atomic Airforce Intake ?
+Dennis Ehman If you go for that, you need a tune.
I have heard that, I also heard you don't need a tune. I need to do more research. I don't want to jack up the factory warranty for sure, but if it doesn't need a tune, then that's the way to go with the factory airbox K&N high flow filter and call it a day. The car I drove with it ( but didn't purchase ) there was a noticeable difference from a normal 2016 stock car. Thanks for your input - And a big thanks for all your video's ... there some good info here on your channel. Rasie some money for that ZL-1 !
+Dennis Ehman I am going to see if GM offers a tune and review test all the intakes again.
i seen another youtuber get basically the same results when he put a cold air intake on a honda s2000 he dynod both stock and after market and it showed he lost hp and trq over stock intake i think that buying a cold air intake is just a wast of money on certain cars it seems that the factory got it right the first time
+thelma duffy but was that car turbo ed? We did a little experiment while on the dyno and did a smaller diameter tube and a stack filter and saw big HP and TQ gains.
no it was a normally aspirated 2.0 lt 4 cylinder stock engine look under "cold air intakes debunked"
sorry its under the youtube heading "cold air intakes myth busted"
+thelma duffy every motor is different. My 5th gen V6 on dyno got 15hp and 12trq on the dyno.
yes i believe that but on some engines like 6.2 ls1 and the 2.0 vetech motor on the honda s2000 i believe they got it right. I'm glad your doing this testing it let me know what I'm going to buy for my 6th gen ss i have already put on the mishimoto catch can that you recommended and I'm planing on putting on the vitesse throttle controller
I watched the whole video. Are you still going to be giving away one of these? I'm definitely not going to buy one anymore. Unless Gm still releases one with a tune. (which I don't think is going to happen anymore)
Not sure what I am going to do with them just yet. I want to hold on to all of them for the next round of testing at minimum.
Where does the stock intake, as well as the other two actually draw air in from?
The front right side of the grille if you;re looking at it from the front.
+Darknight Camaro that's happening next test.
Is the whole Dino controlled by your cell phone!?
So is GM gonna release their cai??!
+g lujan sounds like in 2 months.
+Lethalhammer awesome, I was looking at that Mishimoto, since i have their catch can.. Guess I'll wait lol
I wish the roto fab Cai was out
it is mine just shipped
+justin timberlake it's coming.
+Lethalhammer nice can't wait to see that I think they have the right approach. z28 style
Cold air intakes, headers, exhaust mods do nothing without tuning the car with them.
Good Lord man stock boxes tuned too stock box!!! Go dyno tune with a rotofab and then I might agree with you been there done that!!!
Maybe look at the date lol. Roto-fab didn’t have a product available at this time. But we have plenty of videos on Roto-Fab and Roto-Fab big gulp.
The worst thing someone could do is buy you a Dyno machine haha. You would just be gone from 5am until 10pm every night testing all these aftermarket parts haha. Then the combinations. To finish this up for you all, I have a stock 2014 Camaro SS, almost new still (4889 miles). Been garaged and driven minimal. Nothing upgraded!. Ill get the RotoFab and do a before Dyno with stock, and then install the RotoFab and do a Dyno test. Ill wait 1 week after driving with RotoFab and do another Dyno test. Then upload it here.
Yo sledge, sorry f it's been said before but, do you have a snap chat?
+Tyler Borchers I do not... but have been thinking about kicking one off. Just not sure what people would want to see there.
+Lethalhammer “Lethal_Camaro” well I love how limited it is and offers a real behind the scenes aspect of the individual. Obviously you are headed in the right direction with all the following but just wanted to know. All the best!
My engineering side is cringing every time he says ft-lb. It's lb-ft when you're talking about torque, ft-lb is a different unit of measurement.
I feel your pain!
At 23:35 The younger Hulk Hogan walked through the shop!
I don't drive my car with the hood up...I don't drive my car without a hood, either. Why can't you run the tests with the hood closed so we know how good/bad these things are at drawing in 'outside' air? Tests with the hood up look bogus to me.
@@Drafted066 because on a stand still dyno. Hood closed with zero air flow, that going to give amazing results…. /facepalm