The BIGGEST Boat on our List | Too Big or Just Right | Shannon 43 | S05E05
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This week we’re checking out a Shannon 43, the biggest sailboat on our list, to see if a boat with three cabins would be better suited for our sailing family. This huge, beautiful boat is an example of a classic American yacht that checks all of our boxes. Could this be Atticus II?
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The only point I would ask you to consider is "it's better to grow INTO a boat than OUT of a boat. "
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Good point
Was going to ask that question myself.
Yea plus it is mind boggling how much space kids take up
The thing I would tell you is, “ you can upgrade everything, and you can fix anything, but you can’t make it bigger.” Get the size now!
It's like buying property. You can always upgrade the house but you can't change the property or view.
Agreed, kids NEED much more space than you may realize; especially with your introvert side. If you want even a small moment of peace you NEED a big boat.
Agreed. It's a big ocean and it makes a big boat seem small. It makes a small boat seem very tiny. It's easy to get used to controlling a bigger boat. While bigger boats have some bigger systems, smaller boat still have those systems like engine, batteries, sails, rigging, steering, electronics/navigation, water maker, dinghy, refrigeration, etc.
All the boats you would consider have them and they all take maintenance. In many cases, due to space constraints, it may be easier to do the maintenance on a bigger boat than a smaller one. It's certainly easier (typically) to find storage for spares and tools on a bigger boat. Maintenance will obviously cost more on a bigger boat for some systems but on many, it won't make a significant difference.
Go as big as you can manage! Go for it!
LWL also really matters in big seas.
Tony & Susan here, You may have made the decision already but if not. Stick to your budget and make them an offer without considering there feelings.
Just try to help, but remember ALWAYS that the initial cost is one part of the investment you first made. In 5-10 years the real cost is maintenance and in 43 feet boat, up always up! Big hug, Paul
@Can Thonn Although not the prettiest solution, brightwork can be painted and then returned to varnish at any point.
@@danssalem That would be sacrilege on that beautiful boat.
What a beautiful boat!
The layout with the two aft cabins is perfect, especially with the bunk bed in one of them for kids.
Remember with kids on board one pair of hands will be busy taking care of them. The possibility to comfortably have guests to help with the kids or the sailing is pure gold!
This is something I was thinking as I watched - with kids, there will be no more 2 adult passages. No way. You’ll NEED a third adult at that point - it won’t be optional.
@@smeggy22 With how fast this channel is growing they will be able to afford a nanny.
I think you could find a Shannon 43 for cheaper. They also make a Shannon 37, 38 and 39. The 38 has a full keel. I sail a 1980 Shannon 38 Cutter. Doing a maintenance coat of varnish on the exterior once or twice a year really isn’t that big of a deal, takes me about 3 hrs. The cockpit it big enough to sleep in, basically adding 2 extra beds when the weather is right! Incredible ventilation with all the opening ports and hatches and dorades for down below. I can sail in 5 knots of wind, The boat sails great in light wind and heavy weather. My boat has the traditional headsail (135 Genoa) and smaller staysail so I don’t know anything about the scutter design, but please reach out if you have any questions. Also, one of the perks of owning a Shannon is that the company is still around, Bill Ramos answers the phone and has been of tremendous help in my refit. I love my Shannon!
You said it takes you 3 hrs to do the maintenance on the outside Varnishing. Could you please explain how you are able to do this in 3 hrs. Do you do one coat of varnish or two.
Offer them 200K and spend time in the Bahamas raising your crew, then cross the Pacific.
I would offer less... Even the Broker stated that it should be between $150 & $200k. That plus it has been on the market for awhile tells you that it is over priced. Sometimes sellers tend to put emotional value into the price. You cannot pay for the emotional value that it has become to them. I would offer $165k and wait for a counter offer, hopefully settling at about $175k...
If they do decide to get it I call dibs on the top bunk. 🐒
Isn't food expensive and hard to come by in the Bahamas (as in not many supermarkets)?
There is a Shannon 43 several docks over from this one that is 195. It’s older but is set up with better canvas and already has a wind vane.
@@emilybh6255 Yes, it is little more than the US grocery stores if you stick with local food items and frozen food. If you must have fresh non-local items, then those items are much more. Cheese, canned goods, local fish, local vegetables, etc. are affordable... Whenever I travel I eat what the locals eat. If I want to eat like home, then I would stay home...
My first thought is buy it. The boat has room for a guest and more importantly a family. This larger living space will be invaluable when spats arise between siblings. I really like this boat.
@@tinaanddavidH a door to slam can be invaluable....
I'm excited for you guys! The Shannon 43 was my favorite so far. I have expensive taste, obviously 😆
The idea behind the Shannon Scudder rig is that the Yankee is for use in higher winds. You can carry that to 40+ knots with the Genoa furled. As you probably know, partly furled genoa's don't sail particularly well. The Yankee has good shape and by being far forward it helps balance the steering in heavy wind. Better than the cutter rig where the small jib is too close to the mast to balance the helm. Don't worry about that boat offshore - all Shannon's are built to circumnavigate. And the 43's do. But unlike a deep keel boat, you can take take a Shannon 43 to the Bahamas - and I guarantee you'll want to go there. If you have any questions, call Shannon in RI. They'll remember building that particular boat and what was special about her.
I own a shannon 43. As the boat ages you sure appreciate the care and attention Walt and his team paid to make sure the boat will out live him. Not many boats today are made so that the future owners can replace components 20 years after they left the yard. Easily one of the best sail boats ever built.
Two comments - you can install a circular shower curtain in the wet head. We had one in our Tartan 42 and it worked great. Also, my woodworking hubby made me a large tray that fit exactly on top of the fridge. I worked on that to prep food and if I needed to get in the fridge I just lifted the whole tray off and set it on the sink then moved it back. There's always a solution for those little irritations.
There is 1997 Shannon 43 on for $199k on Yatchworld in Virginia. Has solar panels as well.👍👍
Hey Jordan, top tip. When you do have a full crew, switch to 3 on 6 off. The reduction of 1 hour from the on watch team is really noticeable and 6 hours is tons of sleep
Wow, I thought this was the one. But what do I know. I am only living vicariously ;-)
I was thinking the same.
Its getting close and exciting. I am really happy for you guys, the right boat is just around the corner!!
Absolutely love this boat! The design, the character and the build. I have a gut feeling that this is the boat for you! God Bless💜
Looks like the fridge has a side door so with a bit of thought...no need to worry about counter space.
Yeah I think we were all shouting that at her.
Thought I saw a front door on the fridge too....!
You can also get a custom cutting board made that fits over the galley sink, giving you more prep space.
@Tim Sawyer Is that for good sailing or for fast sailing though?
You don't need to heal a boat over for good sailing unless you are racing which you need a cleaned out boat with no weight and humans sitting on the toe rail are your weight. Cruising us about ticking over average speed, looking after the boat, being safe.
That is a gorgeous yacht! Looks like an Atticus II to me!
My "Two cents",..while watching the video, half way thru it, I felt you were looking at "Atticus II". I heard your "Professinals" opinions and think they were right "on the money". Right now, the extra Cabins could & would bring you "Extra Income" & extra "hands" . If this Boat does'nt need extra work and can put you "On the water" right away to "Do what you do best" then...... Finances are a personal bussiness, but finding "the way to make it happen" is part of "the adventure". I strongly think you just saw "your next Atticus" **Any price is negotiable, I'm sure the "seller" has the power to also make it happen. Find your way, find your Wisdom. Get...Atticus II, is right in front of you.
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@Tim Sawyer O well, I guess I’ll just have to let my let my beautiful piano collect dust and rot. In fact, EVERYONE STOP USING AND MAINTAINING WOOD!!! IT’S ENSLAVEMENT!!!
@Tim Sawyer There’s always lots reasons and excuses not to do anything. Which reminds of a bit from the poet Frost. Apologies to the bard, from memory...
My object in living is to unite my avocation and my vocation as my two eyes make one in sight. Where work is play for mortal stakes is the deed ever really done for heavens and the futures sakes.
Get a little extra room now you will be thankful later that you did. Especially with Desiree liking her alone time. I know the feeling. ❤️ Love Love Love the boat, and you haven’t been to the Bahamas yet so this boat would be a good one to take there. Price is a bummer but shoot them a low ball price and see what happens.
I worked with Shannon Boat in the latter 70's and can attest to the fact that these are up there with the best quality boats ever.
I suspect having the smaller sail forward would be great for keeping the sails balanced under a variety of conditions. The smaller sail has less area, so less force, but by extending the lever arm forward you don't lose as much torque. That should let you reduce the sail area forward when the wind's up without inducing a bunch of weather helm. In theory.
Love this comment.
Love the way you are doing this search !
Finally one Moore episode 👍👍 I have looked 2y back in time now 😁 Love ure vids.
Hope to see a Najad soon, when RAN sailing choose that boat I completely understood; what a beauty!
True
Was going to comment to stay away from teak decks but the one theyre going to look at actually has no teak decks :-O
I second the Najad. great boat , but hard to find in the US. Opens up a whole new can of EU worms. Would you get more bang for your dollar in a market with a higher supply of boats for sale?. It might be better to start Atticus 2 from the Med on a Najad.. lol
@@MudLogger That sounds like a plan that could work when there is no pandemic.
The Najad is nowhere near as pretty as the Shannon. It just does not have the graceful classic lines.
I would really consider that boat, as a parent you will never say I wish this boat was smaller with less space.
only when you pay marina costs. lol in the Algarve my Westerly Longbow 31 ft costs me 272€ per month on the hard.
I can't wait to follow you guys in your new chapter of the adventure.
OMG! This was such a beautiful boat with tons of room for a family! Yes, the bright work would keep you very busy maintaining it and less time enjoying the ride! Thanks for sharing all of these wonderful options with us. Having put out there your final three, I'm sure someone will be contacting you soon.
Wow. It’s like going to Rolls Royce from a rusty Volkswagen 😝
@David Shields I don’t know... I used to own a chit car. Wasted so much time trying to get it to run right. I think I would enjoy that super nice boat. 🤣
@@magcitrate Exactly, with the beetles I owned, I always needed downhill parking in the event the starter burned out or battery died. Then again parts were always cheap and available.
You tubing must be paying off if you can go from Atticus to any one of these boats.
I doubt that they would be writing names on the walls of this boat. :)
gorgeous boat, would make a perfect family home for you
I really like the description and quality review of this guy at the beginning!!! He is a great asset to this boat introduction. Way to go Buds!!
Wow! Nice job on this video! Outstanding!
You could put a large cutting board over the fridge/freezer openings and just slide it over if you needed to access the compartments - or just pull out what you need before you start cooking. Awesome boat for a family/extra crew!
we have this boat! we have a cutting board/tray that fits over the stove for extra cutting board space, it helps
That is a very nice boat! I really See you Both living on That
Love the Wednesday video drop, needed it this week lol. I have a good feeling about this one. Good luck on negotiations 😉
Shannon's are truly amazing and have been on my list for awhile now.
Not gonna lie, I laughed my butt off when I saw you both sitting at the dinette. Like, you’re already living on a sailboat...when the hell ya gonna wanna work at the same table, especially one that size????🤣🤣🤣
The foot controls at the bow look more like windlass controls. Looks like a gorgeous boat.
I noticed 2 sets of foot controls up there. I think the ones to starboard was the thruster and the ones he was pointing to were the winch. 🤔
@@hughvanduyn6482 I have this same boat, the starboard foot switches are for the windlass!
Hey guys! I've been watching for a solid year now, and I know I'm just a random commenter, but this is the boat. I can literally feel it and see you guys calling this home, and me watching for the next decade. Perfect boat. I will definitely vote for this one.
This is my favorite boat so far you’ve looked at. It’s beautiful & very spacious.
It’s perfect.
Did you notice that the frig is also front opening? You can use the counter top with ease that way. This Shannon is perfect in every way.
Except the dark hull will cook you in the tropics and that swing keel is a maintenance headache.
Great video thanks❤️! We have the Shannon 38 on our long list. We wish you all the luck in your continued search and looking forward to going along with you🥰
What a beauty! Probably the best looking boat so far.
This boat was built in Bristol Rhode Island, make sure that the hull to deck joint is thru bolted, not just screwed together. Bristol, built in Bristol Rhode Island used screws, not bolts, causing the deck to hull joint to leak.
Definitely the boat for you guys but wow the price tag!
Best wishes! Y’all are the BEST!
i really like you guys. i sailed for a while, not very well, but with you i can live vicariously. such fun. good luck, and please keep having a show when you find your boat.
Check out a Kelly Peterson 46. Super nice boats and think y’all would love the center cockpit.
Hard to find one though, it’s a popular boat.
Get thisssss one!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
These boat review videos are fantastic. Thank you.
What a beautiful boat, you guys are living the dream.❤️
Having watched your channel for some time now and seeing your search for Atticus 2, I think you should consider a Contest 43 from around 1992. They were built in Holland in Europe and are a centre cockpit design, but this creates enormous space inside. They are solid and quite fast for the weight. We bought one and love it. 😀
I would take a close look at how Catalpa is raising two kids on a monohull.
Really Like your reviews! Great content! I look forward to your reviews.
My parents raised my brother and I on Formosa 51, transpac 49, vagabond 47...all had seperate berths for us! Having our own space was SO wonderful. The older we got the larger boat (51') we had. My parents had the aft cabin in most setups and we had vberth and Pullman berths...you guys are SO on track! Very excited and love seeing these videos!!! ❤ So awesome.🤟 also...the formosa had a small bathtub which my mom says we loved as kids for baths...other boats we had baths in the buckets on deck!! 😂😂 If I can help at all from growing up on many sailboats let me know. Cheers!!
Enjoy your videos as I am saying to the screen..."Look at a catamaran"
Seems it would be easier to find the livability and the sailability you are looking for. Maybe something similar to the Wynn's " SV Curiosity"
yep, agree
If you have a boy and girl, then requirement for separate rooms happens quicker. A 3 bedroom boat would be an advantage. Of course if you're planning on only having two boys or two girls then not so much of an issue.
Planning to have two boys or two girls? Good luck with that. But the third cabin works.
@@Gladtobeleaving haha, beat me to it.
Stop with the advance thinking, they aren't even pregnant! Humans base to much on what if than just doing, kids will be fine boys or girls.
And age difference will play a large roll as well.
Great review of a beautiful boat!
Love watching you 2. Been watching for some time but never commented until now. Man you guys have a fun and admirable life. Cool 2 see your both ready 2 have kids, what a blessing! Been watching since the beginning of Atticus 1. Hope you guys find what your looking 4 and can't wait 2 see the kids involved one day lol.
Shoot a note to Captain Q. He's shown some really nice boats up in Maine on his UA-cam channel.
“He called is a Scutter, not a Slutter” 😂😂😂😂
Sorry my inner 13 yr old can’t stop laughing 😂
It will be a Slutter rig to me from now on. 😁
I’ve always known it as a Slutter rig!!
Wow what an absolutely stunning boat!!!
Totally stunning boat for sure. Best one I have seen so far. Good luck on your search.
tellin ya, check out that little harbor 44. Will sail circles around any of the other boats you've looked at, and the price is 110k less than the Shannon.
If I was in the market for a liveaboard sailboat, that would be top five on my list.
Absolutely beautiful
You two make me smile.
Asking price has, many times, little to do selling price. Best advice: go as big as you can afford. Kids are a complete game changer. Check out RAN Sailing. They just did what you are looking to do.
As lovable as the Atticus kids are they're no Ran Sailing LoL. Hell- why not check out Sailing Cloudy Bay LoL.
@@genesmith4019 I'm not familiar with the Ran channel. Care to elaborate a touch?
@Konstantin Ridaya Wow! Thanks for the in depth answer. Before asking the question I briefly viewed one of the RAN videos and got exactly that impression, they are hardcore! As you put it so well, we can still love the Atticus couple for different reasons and the Atticus gang are definitely well ahead of me in terms of life goals.
@@simonshurety3870 If you go way back into RAN you will see so many great adventures aboard and ashore. They are great sailors (and parents).
And if you get into Cloudy Bay a HR 54 you will see the most ship-shape boat on youtube. Lots of great adventures there as well.
Hey, if ya’ll are still in NC or even FL we’d love to take you to dinner. I personally have learned so much and have been inspired by your journey.
Blessings 😊❤️🙏
Just got to say that Project Atticus has become one of my favorite channels. Beau & Brandy is right up there with you. Love the channel.
Quality boat, great for guests....lots of space which I like....for you two I like the last one best
I don’t know if it’s “your” boat, but it’s not too big for what you are facing. 5/5 means “perfect,” no reservations, so you can’t give it 5/5 Livability while saying you don’t like the wet head. Maybe 4.8 or 4.9.
i don't understand the issue with a wet head. With all the peeing that happens in there its always nice to keep it rinsed out regularly. To me that is a work saver.
I'm missing the solar panels, will there be any? I do not see the last boat in your future, very nice shiny, but nice doesn't always work over time. You guys are looking for minimal maintenance, not more.
This is the one ! Hands down ! You guys need this
YES! We love brokers that support the Naval Academy!!!! GO NAVY! Class of 2021 here getting ready to hit the fleet here soon. Love this series btw!
Beautiful boats, to be sure, albeit way overpriced. Centerboards, and all that wood topsides, are both huge red flags, in my book.
You really should track down a Tayana 42 CC, or other similar boats by designers like Perry, Brewer, Huntingford, Gillmer, etc. (w/o teak decks 😉)
Regarding space: you will fill whatever you have. 👍
Keep looking, and stay safe!
Center cockpit is definitely the way to go.
Ok, I’ll address the elephant in the room.
You are only alllowed to have a really pretty boat if you are still prepared to write patreons names all over it in sharpie 👍
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'At 'ere's funny. I don't care who you are. ;-) They might have to downgrade to a Bic pen. ;-)
@@lonniepee9804 or upgrade to fancy Silver and Gold Sharpie Paint Pens! If you wanna go crazy, have a very small CNC engraving machine onboard to make brass name plates!
@@ProjectAtticus you guys should look at an Island Packet 360, it checks off a lot of your boxes, has removable bunk beds in the aft and forward cabin, shoal draft, separate shower and has the comfiest nav station imaginable with its own dedicated leather recliner. Yes you heard that right.
WOW! Love this boat ❤️👍
Just got home from work. Wasn’t expecting you guys to release a new episode until tomorrow. This was a great surprise. About to watch now!! 😁
There are other products different than varnish that last a lot longer without the upkeep
Can urethane handle all the sun exposure? If not, with all your patrons, you might be able to hire out the varnishing. My experience with stinkpot crew cruising taught me that varnishing is a special talent. My drinkin' buddy in Miami in 1973 was a well-respected varnisher.
@@lonniepee9804 i have not had very good luck with urethane, instead i stubbled on a product called CETOL that lasts for years without touchups
Love the three cabins for children that are opposite sex. If same no biggie. When they r older not sure if opposite sex is a good idea sleeping together. I’ve heard some horror stories. Bunk beds are amazing. Just thinking of my kids and grandkids and what we have gone thru. If u won’t be staying in this boat when they are older than 8-10 Yrs old then no biggie. Just my experience. Love this boat searching segment. Good luck praying for u guys.
Just over 5 min in, and I already like this one the best of all so far! I don't know anything about sailing but I really like it! Very exciting!!!
long time viewer, thanks for showing a boat was built in my state of rhode island, cool.
Hi. I am new to your channel but have some experience sailing with children. I did it professionally for nearly ten years.
This is a lovely boat however if you expect to be sailing a lot, big boats mean big power and big loads on your sheets. Small children need small loads, consider more smaller sails to keep the loads any single line as low as you can. Sheet loads on a 40ft+ sloop will be too much for children Consider a cutter or better again a staysail ketch or schooner.
Also consider moving around the deck at sea at night. Children are keen and capable from about 7yrs and will want to help and join in, high coach roof and lots of grab bars gives confidence and plenty to hang on to. If you want to bring on their confidence and ability that's important.
Also one to consider is small children need a lot of hot water and honestly, you can't have too much but too little and life gets very hard very quickly. If two bathrooms is available that too would be good, poorly children can't hold it for long.
Good luck with your search, I really hope you make it happen.
The only thing wrong with that boat was the price.
Strange. There are at least two other shannon 43s in that same neighborhood and they only looked at the 274K one. The others are sub 200K
Hi guys..luv your vids & enjoying sharing your journey. Nothing more exciting than purchasing a new boat. I would however council you on giving up space because of your past experience. Children are a blessing. Children also totally change your life dynamics & your space requirements. Cheers
Gorgeous boat. The swing up keel makes sense for exploring. Good luck 👍
Children will accept the environment they are raised in as normal, good, bad, big or small. Just think of a family of four looking at a bigger boat with all the excitement children bring to the equation in ten years, how fun will that be.
We are moving up from a 22ft boat to a 27 and it feels like a mansion!!! Last summer we were overnighting on the 22, and i pulled out the make due bucket head, in the AM to do my business squatted between my son and my daughter on the setees..... I thought....its time for a bigger boat!!!
Great boat. Offer a lot less. All they can do is say no. It depends on how bad they want to sell.
Great boat !!!!!! Go for it .
Keep Atticus!!! I’m so impressed with how you turn your hand to just about anything.
Your dad must be so proud of you.
It is not too big. I have a Alden 44 and single hand a lot. When I have a few friends on board I almost wish it was bigger. You have to remember all boats shrink 25% when you are living aboard. I don't see how you could go wrong with a Shannon. I would have bought one over my Alden if the price was right.
I cant believe a boat that size and cost has a head that small.
I agree, nice boat though.
@@jimglass1161 yeah no denying that.
yes, we have this boat and it's tight! but we' re used to it. We have a wrap-around curtain and with the head cover it all works out
@@danchase3012 Im sure its not the end of the world. Its just surprising to see on such a large, expensive boat.
glad you're not rushing this next boat
seek and ye shall find
I'm looking forward to your upcoming adventures
I think you found your new home! Definitely my favorite so far.
I think your analysis was spot on. Too "fancy" for you. All that gloss varnish below?? Nope. Tiring to live with. Waste of money. Gorgeous boat though.
I agree, with boats I've had and all the vanish work inside can be to much to keep up with. Looks great but a bitch to deal with, constant up keep with moisture in a boat. Someone has spent a lot of time though getting it looking nice for the sale.
CONFIDENTIALITY: perhaps offer the maximum you can afford, but under strict terms of a confidentiality agreement - if it's a steal🙃. Surely you can find no more suitable a vessel? And as Mr. Newsom says, grow into it.
I absolutely fell in love with the interior of that boat! Just exceptional. Wet head? no big deal. I have one in my caravan. Takes just a couple of minutes to dry it before I get dressed. It seems like I'm not the only person thinking you might be being a bit hasty in dismissing this one!
Wow!!! What an amazing boat!! Looks so similar to the Hunter 49 that I love! Get it!!! Lol. So exciting for us all! 🙏🏽