Agreed, kids NEED much more space than you may realize; especially with your introvert side. If you want even a small moment of peace you NEED a big boat.
Agreed. It's a big ocean and it makes a big boat seem small. It makes a small boat seem very tiny. It's easy to get used to controlling a bigger boat. While bigger boats have some bigger systems, smaller boat still have those systems like engine, batteries, sails, rigging, steering, electronics/navigation, water maker, dinghy, refrigeration, etc. All the boats you would consider have them and they all take maintenance. In many cases, due to space constraints, it may be easier to do the maintenance on a bigger boat than a smaller one. It's certainly easier (typically) to find storage for spares and tools on a bigger boat. Maintenance will obviously cost more on a bigger boat for some systems but on many, it won't make a significant difference.
What a beautiful boat! The layout with the two aft cabins is perfect, especially with the bunk bed in one of them for kids. Remember with kids on board one pair of hands will be busy taking care of them. The possibility to comfortably have guests to help with the kids or the sailing is pure gold!
This is something I was thinking as I watched - with kids, there will be no more 2 adult passages. No way. You’ll NEED a third adult at that point - it won’t be optional.
I own a shannon 43. As the boat ages you sure appreciate the care and attention Walt and his team paid to make sure the boat will out live him. Not many boats today are made so that the future owners can replace components 20 years after they left the yard. Easily one of the best sail boats ever built.
Just try to help, but remember ALWAYS that the initial cost is one part of the investment you first made. In 5-10 years the real cost is maintenance and in 43 feet boat, up always up! Big hug, Paul
My first thought is buy it. The boat has room for a guest and more importantly a family. This larger living space will be invaluable when spats arise between siblings. I really like this boat.
The idea behind the Shannon Scudder rig is that the Yankee is for use in higher winds. You can carry that to 40+ knots with the Genoa furled. As you probably know, partly furled genoa's don't sail particularly well. The Yankee has good shape and by being far forward it helps balance the steering in heavy wind. Better than the cutter rig where the small jib is too close to the mast to balance the helm. Don't worry about that boat offshore - all Shannon's are built to circumnavigate. And the 43's do. But unlike a deep keel boat, you can take take a Shannon 43 to the Bahamas - and I guarantee you'll want to go there. If you have any questions, call Shannon in RI. They'll remember building that particular boat and what was special about her.
I think you could find a Shannon 43 for cheaper. They also make a Shannon 37, 38 and 39. The 38 has a full keel. I sail a 1980 Shannon 38 Cutter. Doing a maintenance coat of varnish on the exterior once or twice a year really isn’t that big of a deal, takes me about 3 hrs. The cockpit it big enough to sleep in, basically adding 2 extra beds when the weather is right! Incredible ventilation with all the opening ports and hatches and dorades for down below. I can sail in 5 knots of wind, The boat sails great in light wind and heavy weather. My boat has the traditional headsail (135 Genoa) and smaller staysail so I don’t know anything about the scutter design, but please reach out if you have any questions. Also, one of the perks of owning a Shannon is that the company is still around, Bill Ramos answers the phone and has been of tremendous help in my refit. I love my Shannon!
You said it takes you 3 hrs to do the maintenance on the outside Varnishing. Could you please explain how you are able to do this in 3 hrs. Do you do one coat of varnish or two.
Two comments - you can install a circular shower curtain in the wet head. We had one in our Tartan 42 and it worked great. Also, my woodworking hubby made me a large tray that fit exactly on top of the fridge. I worked on that to prep food and if I needed to get in the fridge I just lifted the whole tray off and set it on the sink then moved it back. There's always a solution for those little irritations.
For what it is worth - my first boat was a 37' cutter (two years in the South Pacific 1977-79). My next boat was a Seawing 43 (very similar to the Shannon 43) which was a lovely, well built boat and had TWICE the volume of the 37 footer. Our family of five had many enjoyable moments aboard the Seawing. If you plan on having two kids, I really hope you consider boats in the 43 - 47 foot range. Kids take up a surprising amount of space (books, toys, games, clothing, snorkeling gear, rain gear, etc.) and the boat will not only need bunk/table space for them, but extra tankage for water and space for more food to handle the little people's needs. And you will need a larger dinghy to transport the whole family to the beach. That much volume is hard to find on the three smaller boats you are still considering. The Shannon would be a great choice, (though I think this one in the video is overpriced) - maybe they will take a much lower offer - it never hurts to try. Best wishes!
Hey Jordan, top tip. When you do have a full crew, switch to 3 on 6 off. The reduction of 1 hour from the on watch team is really noticeable and 6 hours is tons of sleep
Hey guys! I've been watching for a solid year now, and I know I'm just a random commenter, but this is the boat. I can literally feel it and see you guys calling this home, and me watching for the next decade. Perfect boat. I will definitely vote for this one.
I would offer less... Even the Broker stated that it should be between $150 & $200k. That plus it has been on the market for awhile tells you that it is over priced. Sometimes sellers tend to put emotional value into the price. You cannot pay for the emotional value that it has become to them. I would offer $165k and wait for a counter offer, hopefully settling at about $175k...
@@emilybh6255 Yes, it is little more than the US grocery stores if you stick with local food items and frozen food. If you must have fresh non-local items, then those items are much more. Cheese, canned goods, local fish, local vegetables, etc. are affordable... Whenever I travel I eat what the locals eat. If I want to eat like home, then I would stay home...
I second the Najad. great boat , but hard to find in the US. Opens up a whole new can of EU worms. Would you get more bang for your dollar in a market with a higher supply of boats for sale?. It might be better to start Atticus 2 from the Med on a Najad.. lol
You don't need to heal a boat over for good sailing unless you are racing which you need a cleaned out boat with no weight and humans sitting on the toe rail are your weight. Cruising us about ticking over average speed, looking after the boat, being safe.
You could put a large cutting board over the fridge/freezer openings and just slide it over if you needed to access the compartments - or just pull out what you need before you start cooking. Awesome boat for a family/extra crew!
My parents raised my brother and I on Formosa 51, transpac 49, vagabond 47...all had seperate berths for us! Having our own space was SO wonderful. The older we got the larger boat (51') we had. My parents had the aft cabin in most setups and we had vberth and Pullman berths...you guys are SO on track! Very excited and love seeing these videos!!! ❤ So awesome.🤟 also...the formosa had a small bathtub which my mom says we loved as kids for baths...other boats we had baths in the buckets on deck!! 😂😂 If I can help at all from growing up on many sailboats let me know. Cheers!!
Get a little extra room now you will be thankful later that you did. Especially with Desiree liking her alone time. I know the feeling. ❤️ Love Love Love the boat, and you haven’t been to the Bahamas yet so this boat would be a good one to take there. Price is a bummer but shoot them a low ball price and see what happens.
I absolutely fell in love with the interior of that boat! Just exceptional. Wet head? no big deal. I have one in my caravan. Takes just a couple of minutes to dry it before I get dressed. It seems like I'm not the only person thinking you might be being a bit hasty in dismissing this one!
As someone who has learnt about being a minimalist through necessity in my profession, hearing your views, Desiree, on the Shannon 43 was music to my ears. Girls like you today, are very hard to find! Having said that, I will admit that once a family comes along, I don't think you would regret the extra space. Kids are full on. They change your life. There are times when you really need a bit of 'me' time, when you can just be yourself and shut them out, leave them to Jordan for a while, and of course there are times when you and Jordan will want your own space too. Having that extra cabin could make the world of difference for you and the kids. Living on a yacht is not living in grandiose luxury. You have to learn to give and take and to share much more than when you live in a large community. So you still can implant the experiences of minimalist living. Those are my thoughts, but I hope you will ultimately find the boat that will be Atticus 2!
I suspect having the smaller sail forward would be great for keeping the sails balanced under a variety of conditions. The smaller sail has less area, so less force, but by extending the lever arm forward you don't lose as much torque. That should let you reduce the sail area forward when the wind's up without inducing a bunch of weather helm. In theory.
i really like you guys. i sailed for a while, not very well, but with you i can live vicariously. such fun. good luck, and please keep having a show when you find your boat.
It's fun to watch you two sort this out. I'm at the other end: kids raised with no real interest in sailing around the world. I'd throw in with the Caribbean off-shore crowd looking for the next great little island or bar. Who am I kidding - it'll never happen. You guys on the other hand will absolutely find the right boat for your family. Smooth sailing!
I agree with you that we usually have more space and stuff than we actually need. Just keep in mind that babies and toddlers need space to crawl and run around. Also, be mindful how any particular boat can be childproofed. Good luck to you! I love you guys and look forward to your new videos.
Having watched your channel for some time now and seeing your search for Atticus 2, I think you should consider a Contest 43 from around 1992. They were built in Holland in Europe and are a centre cockpit design, but this creates enormous space inside. They are solid and quite fast for the weight. We bought one and love it. 😀
I just want to let you know that kids come with a lot of things you may not be considering. If you have a boy and a girl they may want their own space. They need space and storage! Mine moved from lots of toys to gaming, slime, legos, puzzles, school supplies. There is so much. You are going to want them to have things to do. Just trust me. Yes they are little and don’t need a ton but you will be surprised how much YOU will want them to have and experience. We love watching your process. Can’t wait to see what you choose. I’m sure you will make it work but never thing you have too much space when it comes to kids. 💕
@David Shields I don’t know... I used to own a chit car. Wasted so much time trying to get it to run right. I think I would enjoy that super nice boat. 🤣
@@magcitrate Exactly, with the beetles I owned, I always needed downhill parking in the event the starter burned out or battery died. Then again parts were always cheap and available.
This was at least almost perfect, especially for u guys. For 2kids thats awesome. Because of 3bedrooms u could have guests over or use one bedroom as storage room, and when the kids grow up they probably want their own rooms if possible. At least they are going to need separate bunks. That living room would be really good for 2adults and 2kids to hangout, and there would still be space for a few quests. And i really like that cockpit. And u can upgrade the ship whenever u want to, rarely things are perfect at the start. +that freezer space is going to come handy with kids, especially when u are traveling longer distances. Well anyway i would recommend this ship for u, i think its worth it. Ps.greetings from finland
Look guys, I watched you both walk through her. Yes she’s a bit more expensive, but you guys really enjoyed this boat. You could see it on your faces. I’d definitely make an offer on this boat. I really feel like your search for Atticus II is over.
This boat was built in Bristol Rhode Island, make sure that the hull to deck joint is thru bolted, not just screwed together. Bristol, built in Bristol Rhode Island used screws, not bolts, causing the deck to hull joint to leak.
Enjoy your videos as I am saying to the screen..."Look at a catamaran" Seems it would be easier to find the livability and the sailability you are looking for. Maybe something similar to the Wynn's " SV Curiosity"
That dinette is so small you can jam yourself in during a squall and not slip out. Amazing that you can consider two adults living on it, much less two kids too! Good luck in your adventures, folks!
If you have a boy and girl, then requirement for separate rooms happens quicker. A 3 bedroom boat would be an advantage. Of course if you're planning on only having two boys or two girls then not so much of an issue.
OMG! This was such a beautiful boat with tons of room for a family! Yes, the bright work would keep you very busy maintaining it and less time enjoying the ride! Thanks for sharing all of these wonderful options with us. Having put out there your final three, I'm sure someone will be contacting you soon.
Not gonna lie, I laughed my butt off when I saw you both sitting at the dinette. Like, you’re already living on a sailboat...when the hell ya gonna wanna work at the same table, especially one that size????🤣🤣🤣
Even after watching the other, and newer episodes, I think think make and model might be the best choice. Having bunk beds, and another berth is amazing.
My opinion... buy, buy, buy this boat. Kids are a variable that may require more space than you realize. At a young age, one may be ready for a nap and the other ready to play. The extra space gives you so many more options for the unexpected. The wood on the deck needs care, but not as much as you might think. Best of luck! Can't wait to see what you choose.
I'm missing the solar panels, will there be any? I do not see the last boat in your future, very nice shiny, but nice doesn't always work over time. You guys are looking for minimal maintenance, not more.
I have never sail a Valiant 42. However I have a close friend that crewed for an older couple aboard a Valiant 42 for about a 4 year world cruise and he loved the boat. He told me that of all the different boats that he crewed aboard, outside the really big boats that the Valiant 42 was the best open ocean/cruising boat that he had ever been aboard. He crewed and delivered sailboats all over for over 40 years having crossed the Atlantic 10 or 12 times. A lot of the different boats (over the years) that he was aboard, some were better than others but if really ugly seas were in the cards, the Valiant 42 was his choice. Of course, there are tradeoffs with every boats but for him, sea worthiness was a major safety concern and he put the 42 at the top of that list. I have no interest in boat ownership anymore now that i'm 80 years old but if I were in the market....I would seriously consider a Valiant something.
This is s lovely yacht but if you are going to live on a boat full time your ideal boat is a well made charter boat that has had little charter use. You get finishes that hold up well to the high usage , you also get system easily repaired etc. but you would have to find a boat that is built that way! They are out there though . Cheers Warren
Asking price has, many times, little to do selling price. Best advice: go as big as you can afford. Kids are a complete game changer. Check out RAN Sailing. They just did what you are looking to do.
@Konstantin Ridaya Wow! Thanks for the in depth answer. Before asking the question I briefly viewed one of the RAN videos and got exactly that impression, they are hardcore! As you put it so well, we can still love the Atticus couple for different reasons and the Atticus gang are definitely well ahead of me in terms of life goals.
@@simonshurety3870 If you go way back into RAN you will see so many great adventures aboard and ashore. They are great sailors (and parents). And if you get into Cloudy Bay a HR 54 you will see the most ship-shape boat on youtube. Lots of great adventures there as well.
My "Two cents",..while watching the video, half way thru it, I felt you were looking at "Atticus II". I heard your "Professinals" opinions and think they were right "on the money". Right now, the extra Cabins could & would bring you "Extra Income" & extra "hands" . If this Boat does'nt need extra work and can put you "On the water" right away to "Do what you do best" then...... Finances are a personal bussiness, but finding "the way to make it happen" is part of "the adventure". I strongly think you just saw "your next Atticus" **Any price is negotiable, I'm sure the "seller" has the power to also make it happen. Find your way, find your Wisdom. Get...Atticus II, is right in front of you.
@Tim Sawyer O well, I guess I’ll just have to let my let my beautiful piano collect dust and rot. In fact, EVERYONE STOP USING AND MAINTAINING WOOD!!! IT’S ENSLAVEMENT!!!
@Tim Sawyer There’s always lots reasons and excuses not to do anything. Which reminds of a bit from the poet Frost. Apologies to the bard, from memory... My object in living is to unite my avocation and my vocation as my two eyes make one in sight. Where work is play for mortal stakes is the deed ever really done for heavens and the futures sakes.
Hi guys..luv your vids & enjoying sharing your journey. Nothing more exciting than purchasing a new boat. I would however council you on giving up space because of your past experience. Children are a blessing. Children also totally change your life dynamics & your space requirements. Cheers
Dave and Alecia here, Andy Miller makes a great point!! Also, you may want to contact Malin and Johan of Sailing Ran II. The purchased a Najad about a year ago and would be a magnificent source of information on the Najad. They have a very young daughter, Vera so they would also have some information on raising a family on a Najad. Godspeed, Dave and Alecia
tellin ya, check out that little harbor 44. Will sail circles around any of the other boats you've looked at, and the price is 110k less than the Shannon.
Ooh baby! What a show stopper! I thought this might have been the one, I'd stick a cheeky offer in see where it takes me. Great vid guys, thank you both, stay safe from Spain
I don’t know if it’s “your” boat, but it’s not too big for what you are facing. 5/5 means “perfect,” no reservations, so you can’t give it 5/5 Livability while saying you don’t like the wet head. Maybe 4.8 or 4.9.
i don't understand the issue with a wet head. With all the peeing that happens in there its always nice to keep it rinsed out regularly. To me that is a work saver.
Hi. I am new to your channel but have some experience sailing with children. I did it professionally for nearly ten years. This is a lovely boat however if you expect to be sailing a lot, big boats mean big power and big loads on your sheets. Small children need small loads, consider more smaller sails to keep the loads any single line as low as you can. Sheet loads on a 40ft+ sloop will be too much for children Consider a cutter or better again a staysail ketch or schooner. Also consider moving around the deck at sea at night. Children are keen and capable from about 7yrs and will want to help and join in, high coach roof and lots of grab bars gives confidence and plenty to hang on to. If you want to bring on their confidence and ability that's important. Also one to consider is small children need a lot of hot water and honestly, you can't have too much but too little and life gets very hard very quickly. If two bathrooms is available that too would be good, poorly children can't hold it for long. Good luck with your search, I really hope you make it happen.
Hey, if ya’ll are still in NC or even FL we’d love to take you to dinner. I personally have learned so much and have been inspired by your journey. Blessings 😊❤️🙏
Love the three cabins for children that are opposite sex. If same no biggie. When they r older not sure if opposite sex is a good idea sleeping together. I’ve heard some horror stories. Bunk beds are amazing. Just thinking of my kids and grandkids and what we have gone thru. If u won’t be staying in this boat when they are older than 8-10 Yrs old then no biggie. Just my experience. Love this boat searching segment. Good luck praying for u guys.
I think a challenge you may have is you don’t yet know your future kids. You may or may not need separate spaces. We adopted 3 kids last Feb and we just built a wall to make our three bedroom home a 4 bedroom. We thought our twins could handle a shared room but they really needed separation and private space (they are 5) you have so much to consider and just love being on this journey as an viewer of yours.
Can urethane handle all the sun exposure? If not, with all your patrons, you might be able to hire out the varnishing. My experience with stinkpot crew cruising taught me that varnishing is a special talent. My drinkin' buddy in Miami in 1973 was a well-respected varnisher.
As always good to see you guys. Yeah that boat was too fancy, you guys are more down to earth. I don’t mean this in a negative way. Blessings to you both.
Ok, I’ll address the elephant in the room. You are only alllowed to have a really pretty boat if you are still prepared to write patreons names all over it in sharpie 👍
@@lonniepee9804 or upgrade to fancy Silver and Gold Sharpie Paint Pens! If you wanna go crazy, have a very small CNC engraving machine onboard to make brass name plates!
@@ProjectAtticus you guys should look at an Island Packet 360, it checks off a lot of your boxes, has removable bunk beds in the aft and forward cabin, shoal draft, separate shower and has the comfiest nav station imaginable with its own dedicated leather recliner. Yes you heard that right.
I raised kids on a sailboat and knew other sailing families. I have seen you on around 50' feet also because you are a large man. You have learned a lot and conformed well to Atticus 1, but you don't know yourselves as having 2 growing kids on a larger windship. Highest Blessings finding what's truly best for you.
Beautiful boats, to be sure, albeit way overpriced. Centerboards, and all that wood topsides, are both huge red flags, in my book. You really should track down a Tayana 42 CC, or other similar boats by designers like Perry, Brewer, Huntingford, Gillmer, etc. (w/o teak decks 😉) Regarding space: you will fill whatever you have. 👍 Keep looking, and stay safe!
I went up to the Shannon Boat yard in 1979 and met the founders Walter Schultz and David Walters who went onto start Cambria yachts. I was going to buy one but work got in the way. I can tell you from personal experience these yachts can take you anywhere around the world in safety. Walter knew what he was doing when he built these yachts. These are not condos on the water but you will be safe. She is a beauty. You have two great other choices. The Najad is a great yacht SV Ran have one and its a lovely yacht its up there with great swedish yacht builder Hallberg rassy which is a incredible yacht which i am looking at buying. There was a pacific seacraft for sale in Newport beach last fall and i think it was a 37. If i hear of anything ill let you know. Good luck. cheers
Children will accept the environment they are raised in as normal, good, bad, big or small. Just think of a family of four looking at a bigger boat with all the excitement children bring to the equation in ten years, how fun will that be.
We are moving up from a 22ft boat to a 27 and it feels like a mansion!!! Last summer we were overnighting on the 22, and i pulled out the make due bucket head, in the AM to do my business squatted between my son and my daughter on the setees..... I thought....its time for a bigger boat!!!
It is not too big. I have a Alden 44 and single hand a lot. When I have a few friends on board I almost wish it was bigger. You have to remember all boats shrink 25% when you are living aboard. I don't see how you could go wrong with a Shannon. I would have bought one over my Alden if the price was right.
I feel that choosing the Shannon is a no-brainer. Every boat will have something which doesn’t meet your current expectations; it is just a case of finding the boat which has the most ‘hits’ rather than ‘misses’. On the other side of the deep water, if you are in the warm climates, you will find creeks in the mangroves which are excellent cyclone shelter, if your boat is sufficiently shallow draft. (I am writing this from Australia). I would add davits across the stern for your tender, and I would recommend a rigid tender rather than an inflatable. I will be very interested to see which boat you finally settle on.
The only point I would ask you to consider is "it's better to grow INTO a boat than OUT of a boat. "
We luv this. Thank you.
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Good point
Was going to ask that question myself.
Yea plus it is mind boggling how much space kids take up
The thing I would tell you is, “ you can upgrade everything, and you can fix anything, but you can’t make it bigger.” Get the size now!
It's like buying property. You can always upgrade the house but you can't change the property or view.
Agreed, kids NEED much more space than you may realize; especially with your introvert side. If you want even a small moment of peace you NEED a big boat.
Agreed. It's a big ocean and it makes a big boat seem small. It makes a small boat seem very tiny. It's easy to get used to controlling a bigger boat. While bigger boats have some bigger systems, smaller boat still have those systems like engine, batteries, sails, rigging, steering, electronics/navigation, water maker, dinghy, refrigeration, etc.
All the boats you would consider have them and they all take maintenance. In many cases, due to space constraints, it may be easier to do the maintenance on a bigger boat than a smaller one. It's certainly easier (typically) to find storage for spares and tools on a bigger boat. Maintenance will obviously cost more on a bigger boat for some systems but on many, it won't make a significant difference.
Go as big as you can manage! Go for it!
LWL also really matters in big seas.
What a beautiful boat!
The layout with the two aft cabins is perfect, especially with the bunk bed in one of them for kids.
Remember with kids on board one pair of hands will be busy taking care of them. The possibility to comfortably have guests to help with the kids or the sailing is pure gold!
This is something I was thinking as I watched - with kids, there will be no more 2 adult passages. No way. You’ll NEED a third adult at that point - it won’t be optional.
I own a shannon 43. As the boat ages you sure appreciate the care and attention Walt and his team paid to make sure the boat will out live him. Not many boats today are made so that the future owners can replace components 20 years after they left the yard. Easily one of the best sail boats ever built.
Tony & Susan here, You may have made the decision already but if not. Stick to your budget and make them an offer without considering there feelings.
Just try to help, but remember ALWAYS that the initial cost is one part of the investment you first made. In 5-10 years the real cost is maintenance and in 43 feet boat, up always up! Big hug, Paul
@Can Thonn Although not the prettiest solution, brightwork can be painted and then returned to varnish at any point.
My first thought is buy it. The boat has room for a guest and more importantly a family. This larger living space will be invaluable when spats arise between siblings. I really like this boat.
@@tinaanddavidH a door to slam can be invaluable....
The idea behind the Shannon Scudder rig is that the Yankee is for use in higher winds. You can carry that to 40+ knots with the Genoa furled. As you probably know, partly furled genoa's don't sail particularly well. The Yankee has good shape and by being far forward it helps balance the steering in heavy wind. Better than the cutter rig where the small jib is too close to the mast to balance the helm. Don't worry about that boat offshore - all Shannon's are built to circumnavigate. And the 43's do. But unlike a deep keel boat, you can take take a Shannon 43 to the Bahamas - and I guarantee you'll want to go there. If you have any questions, call Shannon in RI. They'll remember building that particular boat and what was special about her.
I worked with Shannon Boat in the latter 70's and can attest to the fact that these are up there with the best quality boats ever.
I'm excited for you guys! The Shannon 43 was my favorite so far. I have expensive taste, obviously 😆
I think you could find a Shannon 43 for cheaper. They also make a Shannon 37, 38 and 39. The 38 has a full keel. I sail a 1980 Shannon 38 Cutter. Doing a maintenance coat of varnish on the exterior once or twice a year really isn’t that big of a deal, takes me about 3 hrs. The cockpit it big enough to sleep in, basically adding 2 extra beds when the weather is right! Incredible ventilation with all the opening ports and hatches and dorades for down below. I can sail in 5 knots of wind, The boat sails great in light wind and heavy weather. My boat has the traditional headsail (135 Genoa) and smaller staysail so I don’t know anything about the scutter design, but please reach out if you have any questions. Also, one of the perks of owning a Shannon is that the company is still around, Bill Ramos answers the phone and has been of tremendous help in my refit. I love my Shannon!
You said it takes you 3 hrs to do the maintenance on the outside Varnishing. Could you please explain how you are able to do this in 3 hrs. Do you do one coat of varnish or two.
Two comments - you can install a circular shower curtain in the wet head. We had one in our Tartan 42 and it worked great. Also, my woodworking hubby made me a large tray that fit exactly on top of the fridge. I worked on that to prep food and if I needed to get in the fridge I just lifted the whole tray off and set it on the sink then moved it back. There's always a solution for those little irritations.
For what it is worth - my first boat was a 37' cutter (two years in the South Pacific 1977-79). My next boat was a Seawing 43 (very similar to the Shannon 43) which was a lovely, well built boat and had TWICE the volume of the 37 footer. Our family of five had many enjoyable moments aboard the Seawing. If you plan on having two kids, I really hope you consider boats in the 43 - 47 foot range. Kids take up a surprising amount of space (books, toys, games, clothing, snorkeling gear, rain gear, etc.) and the boat will not only need bunk/table space for them, but extra tankage for water and space for more food to handle the little people's needs. And you will need a larger dinghy to transport the whole family to the beach. That much volume is hard to find on the three smaller boats you are still considering. The Shannon would be a great choice, (though I think this one in the video is overpriced) - maybe they will take a much lower offer - it never hurts to try. Best wishes!
Hey Jordan, top tip. When you do have a full crew, switch to 3 on 6 off. The reduction of 1 hour from the on watch team is really noticeable and 6 hours is tons of sleep
Hey guys! I've been watching for a solid year now, and I know I'm just a random commenter, but this is the boat. I can literally feel it and see you guys calling this home, and me watching for the next decade. Perfect boat. I will definitely vote for this one.
Offer them 200K and spend time in the Bahamas raising your crew, then cross the Pacific.
I would offer less... Even the Broker stated that it should be between $150 & $200k. That plus it has been on the market for awhile tells you that it is over priced. Sometimes sellers tend to put emotional value into the price. You cannot pay for the emotional value that it has become to them. I would offer $165k and wait for a counter offer, hopefully settling at about $175k...
If they do decide to get it I call dibs on the top bunk. 🐒
Isn't food expensive and hard to come by in the Bahamas (as in not many supermarkets)?
There is a Shannon 43 several docks over from this one that is 195. It’s older but is set up with better canvas and already has a wind vane.
@@emilybh6255 Yes, it is little more than the US grocery stores if you stick with local food items and frozen food. If you must have fresh non-local items, then those items are much more. Cheese, canned goods, local fish, local vegetables, etc. are affordable... Whenever I travel I eat what the locals eat. If I want to eat like home, then I would stay home...
Keep Atticus!!! I’m so impressed with how you turn your hand to just about anything.
Your dad must be so proud of you.
Hope to see a Najad soon, when RAN sailing choose that boat I completely understood; what a beauty!
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Was going to comment to stay away from teak decks but the one theyre going to look at actually has no teak decks :-O
I second the Najad. great boat , but hard to find in the US. Opens up a whole new can of EU worms. Would you get more bang for your dollar in a market with a higher supply of boats for sale?. It might be better to start Atticus 2 from the Med on a Najad.. lol
@@MudLogger That sounds like a plan that could work when there is no pandemic.
The Najad is nowhere near as pretty as the Shannon. It just does not have the graceful classic lines.
This is the boat they should have went with, IMO.
Shannon build quality is pretty much in a class by itself. Absolutely stunning.
Looks like the fridge has a side door so with a bit of thought...no need to worry about counter space.
Yeah I think we were all shouting that at her.
Thought I saw a front door on the fridge too....!
You can also get a custom cutting board made that fits over the galley sink, giving you more prep space.
@Tim Sawyer Is that for good sailing or for fast sailing though?
You don't need to heal a boat over for good sailing unless you are racing which you need a cleaned out boat with no weight and humans sitting on the toe rail are your weight. Cruising us about ticking over average speed, looking after the boat, being safe.
This is the one ! Hands down ! You guys need this
You could put a large cutting board over the fridge/freezer openings and just slide it over if you needed to access the compartments - or just pull out what you need before you start cooking. Awesome boat for a family/extra crew!
we have this boat! we have a cutting board/tray that fits over the stove for extra cutting board space, it helps
My parents raised my brother and I on Formosa 51, transpac 49, vagabond 47...all had seperate berths for us! Having our own space was SO wonderful. The older we got the larger boat (51') we had. My parents had the aft cabin in most setups and we had vberth and Pullman berths...you guys are SO on track! Very excited and love seeing these videos!!! ❤ So awesome.🤟 also...the formosa had a small bathtub which my mom says we loved as kids for baths...other boats we had baths in the buckets on deck!! 😂😂 If I can help at all from growing up on many sailboats let me know. Cheers!!
There is 1997 Shannon 43 on for $199k on Yatchworld in Virginia. Has solar panels as well.👍👍
Just got to say that Project Atticus has become one of my favorite channels. Beau & Brandy is right up there with you. Love the channel.
Get a little extra room now you will be thankful later that you did. Especially with Desiree liking her alone time. I know the feeling. ❤️ Love Love Love the boat, and you haven’t been to the Bahamas yet so this boat would be a good one to take there. Price is a bummer but shoot them a low ball price and see what happens.
I absolutely fell in love with the interior of that boat! Just exceptional. Wet head? no big deal. I have one in my caravan. Takes just a couple of minutes to dry it before I get dressed. It seems like I'm not the only person thinking you might be being a bit hasty in dismissing this one!
gorgeous boat, would make a perfect family home for you
Its getting close and exciting. I am really happy for you guys, the right boat is just around the corner!!
Wow, I thought this was the one. But what do I know. I am only living vicariously ;-)
I was thinking the same.
As someone who has learnt about being a minimalist through necessity in my profession, hearing your views, Desiree, on the Shannon 43 was music to my ears. Girls like you today, are very hard to find! Having said that, I will admit that once a family comes along, I don't think you would regret the extra space. Kids are full on. They change your life. There are times when you really need a bit of 'me' time, when you can just be yourself and shut them out, leave them to Jordan for a while, and of course there are times when you and Jordan will want your own space too. Having that extra cabin could make the world of difference for you and the kids. Living on a yacht is not living in grandiose luxury. You have to learn to give and take and to share much more than when you live in a large community. So you still can implant the experiences of minimalist living. Those are my thoughts, but I hope you will ultimately find the boat that will be Atticus 2!
I suspect having the smaller sail forward would be great for keeping the sails balanced under a variety of conditions. The smaller sail has less area, so less force, but by extending the lever arm forward you don't lose as much torque. That should let you reduce the sail area forward when the wind's up without inducing a bunch of weather helm. In theory.
Love this comment.
i really like you guys. i sailed for a while, not very well, but with you i can live vicariously. such fun. good luck, and please keep having a show when you find your boat.
The foot controls at the bow look more like windlass controls. Looks like a gorgeous boat.
I noticed 2 sets of foot controls up there. I think the ones to starboard was the thruster and the ones he was pointing to were the winch. 🤔
@@hughvanduyn6482 I have this same boat, the starboard foot switches are for the windlass!
It's fun to watch you two sort this out. I'm at the other end: kids raised with no real interest in sailing around the world. I'd throw in with the Caribbean off-shore crowd looking for the next great little island or bar. Who am I kidding - it'll never happen. You guys on the other hand will absolutely find the right boat for your family. Smooth sailing!
Did you notice that the frig is also front opening? You can use the counter top with ease that way. This Shannon is perfect in every way.
Except the dark hull will cook you in the tropics and that swing keel is a maintenance headache.
YES! We love brokers that support the Naval Academy!!!! GO NAVY! Class of 2021 here getting ready to hit the fleet here soon. Love this series btw!
That is a gorgeous yacht! Looks like an Atticus II to me!
What a beauty! Probably the best looking boat so far.
Definitely the boat for you guys but wow the price tag!
I really like the description and quality review of this guy at the beginning!!! He is a great asset to this boat introduction. Way to go Buds!!
Check out a Kelly Peterson 46. Super nice boats and think y’all would love the center cockpit.
Hard to find one though, it’s a popular boat.
I agree with you that we usually have more space and stuff than we actually need. Just keep in mind that babies and toddlers need space to crawl and run around. Also, be mindful how any particular boat can be childproofed. Good luck to you! I love you guys and look forward to your new videos.
Having watched your channel for some time now and seeing your search for Atticus 2, I think you should consider a Contest 43 from around 1992. They were built in Holland in Europe and are a centre cockpit design, but this creates enormous space inside. They are solid and quite fast for the weight. We bought one and love it. 😀
Gorgeous boat, almost a Hinckley. Stunning interior.
I would really consider that boat, as a parent you will never say I wish this boat was smaller with less space.
only when you pay marina costs. lol in the Algarve my Westerly Longbow 31 ft costs me 272€ per month on the hard.
I just want to let you know that kids come with a lot of things you may not be considering. If you have a boy and a girl they may want their own space. They need space and storage! Mine moved from lots of toys to gaming, slime, legos, puzzles, school supplies. There is so much. You are going to want them to have things to do. Just trust me. Yes they are little and don’t need a ton but you will be surprised how much YOU will want them to have and experience. We love watching your process. Can’t wait to see what you choose. I’m sure you will make it work but never thing you have too much space when it comes to kids. 💕
Wow. It’s like going to Rolls Royce from a rusty Volkswagen 😝
@David Shields I don’t know... I used to own a chit car. Wasted so much time trying to get it to run right. I think I would enjoy that super nice boat. 🤣
@@magcitrate Exactly, with the beetles I owned, I always needed downhill parking in the event the starter burned out or battery died. Then again parts were always cheap and available.
You tubing must be paying off if you can go from Atticus to any one of these boats.
I doubt that they would be writing names on the walls of this boat. :)
This was at least almost perfect, especially for u guys. For 2kids thats awesome. Because of 3bedrooms u could have guests over or use one bedroom as storage room, and when the kids grow up they probably want their own rooms if possible. At least they are going to need separate bunks. That living room would be really good for 2adults and 2kids to hangout, and there would still be space for a few quests. And i really like that cockpit. And u can upgrade the ship whenever u want to, rarely things are perfect at the start. +that freezer space is going to come handy with kids, especially when u are traveling longer distances. Well anyway i would recommend this ship for u, i think its worth it.
Ps.greetings from finland
That is a very nice boat! I really See you Both living on That
Look guys, I watched you both walk through her. Yes she’s a bit more expensive, but you guys really enjoyed this boat. You could see it on your faces. I’d definitely make an offer on this boat. I really feel like your search for Atticus II is over.
This boat was built in Bristol Rhode Island, make sure that the hull to deck joint is thru bolted, not just screwed together. Bristol, built in Bristol Rhode Island used screws, not bolts, causing the deck to hull joint to leak.
The emotional feeling I get when I see this boat is off the charts.
Me too. Awesome boat.
Get thisssss one!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
After spending three years with your old intro, I'm pretty fond of the new one! What a cool boat.
Enjoy your videos as I am saying to the screen..."Look at a catamaran"
Seems it would be easier to find the livability and the sailability you are looking for. Maybe something similar to the Wynn's " SV Curiosity"
yep, agree
That dinette is so small you can jam yourself in during a squall and not slip out. Amazing that you can consider two adults living on it, much less two kids too! Good luck in your adventures, folks!
If you have a boy and girl, then requirement for separate rooms happens quicker. A 3 bedroom boat would be an advantage. Of course if you're planning on only having two boys or two girls then not so much of an issue.
Planning to have two boys or two girls? Good luck with that. But the third cabin works.
@@Gladtobeleaving haha, beat me to it.
Stop with the advance thinking, they aren't even pregnant! Humans base to much on what if than just doing, kids will be fine boys or girls.
And age difference will play a large roll as well.
OMG! This was such a beautiful boat with tons of room for a family! Yes, the bright work would keep you very busy maintaining it and less time enjoying the ride! Thanks for sharing all of these wonderful options with us. Having put out there your final three, I'm sure someone will be contacting you soon.
Not gonna lie, I laughed my butt off when I saw you both sitting at the dinette. Like, you’re already living on a sailboat...when the hell ya gonna wanna work at the same table, especially one that size????🤣🤣🤣
Even after watching the other, and newer episodes, I think think make and model might be the best choice. Having bunk beds, and another berth is amazing.
It’s perfect.
My opinion... buy, buy, buy this boat. Kids are a variable that may require more space than you realize. At a young age, one may be ready for a nap and the other ready to play. The extra space gives you so many more options for the unexpected. The wood on the deck needs care, but not as much as you might think. Best of luck! Can't wait to see what you choose.
I'm missing the solar panels, will there be any? I do not see the last boat in your future, very nice shiny, but nice doesn't always work over time. You guys are looking for minimal maintenance, not more.
Absolutely love this boat! The design, the character and the build. I have a gut feeling that this is the boat for you! God Bless💜
“He called is a Scutter, not a Slutter” 😂😂😂😂
Sorry my inner 13 yr old can’t stop laughing 😂
It will be a Slutter rig to me from now on. 😁
I’ve always known it as a Slutter rig!!
I have never sail a Valiant 42. However I have a close friend that crewed for an older couple aboard a Valiant 42 for about a 4 year world cruise and he loved the boat. He told me that of all the different boats that he crewed aboard, outside the really big boats that the Valiant 42 was the best open ocean/cruising boat that he had ever been aboard. He crewed and delivered sailboats all over for over 40 years having crossed the Atlantic 10 or 12 times. A lot of the different boats (over the years) that he was aboard, some were better than others but if really ugly seas were in the cards, the Valiant 42 was his choice. Of course, there are tradeoffs with every boats but for him, sea worthiness was a major safety concern and he put the 42 at the top of that list. I have no interest in boat ownership anymore now that i'm 80 years old but if I were in the market....I would seriously consider a Valiant something.
If I was in the market for a liveaboard sailboat, that would be top five on my list.
This is s lovely yacht but if you are going to live on a boat full time your ideal boat is a well made charter boat that has had little charter use. You get finishes that hold up well to the high usage , you also get system easily repaired etc. but you would have to find a boat that is built that way! They are out there though .
Cheers Warren
Asking price has, many times, little to do selling price. Best advice: go as big as you can afford. Kids are a complete game changer. Check out RAN Sailing. They just did what you are looking to do.
As lovable as the Atticus kids are they're no Ran Sailing LoL. Hell- why not check out Sailing Cloudy Bay LoL.
@@genesmith4019 I'm not familiar with the Ran channel. Care to elaborate a touch?
@Konstantin Ridaya Wow! Thanks for the in depth answer. Before asking the question I briefly viewed one of the RAN videos and got exactly that impression, they are hardcore! As you put it so well, we can still love the Atticus couple for different reasons and the Atticus gang are definitely well ahead of me in terms of life goals.
@@simonshurety3870 If you go way back into RAN you will see so many great adventures aboard and ashore. They are great sailors (and parents).
And if you get into Cloudy Bay a HR 54 you will see the most ship-shape boat on youtube. Lots of great adventures there as well.
That was a nice boat!!!
My "Two cents",..while watching the video, half way thru it, I felt you were looking at "Atticus II". I heard your "Professinals" opinions and think they were right "on the money". Right now, the extra Cabins could & would bring you "Extra Income" & extra "hands" . If this Boat does'nt need extra work and can put you "On the water" right away to "Do what you do best" then...... Finances are a personal bussiness, but finding "the way to make it happen" is part of "the adventure". I strongly think you just saw "your next Atticus" **Any price is negotiable, I'm sure the "seller" has the power to also make it happen. Find your way, find your Wisdom. Get...Atticus II, is right in front of you.
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@Tim Sawyer O well, I guess I’ll just have to let my let my beautiful piano collect dust and rot. In fact, EVERYONE STOP USING AND MAINTAINING WOOD!!! IT’S ENSLAVEMENT!!!
@Tim Sawyer There’s always lots reasons and excuses not to do anything. Which reminds of a bit from the poet Frost. Apologies to the bard, from memory...
My object in living is to unite my avocation and my vocation as my two eyes make one in sight. Where work is play for mortal stakes is the deed ever really done for heavens and the futures sakes.
Hi guys..luv your vids & enjoying sharing your journey. Nothing more exciting than purchasing a new boat. I would however council you on giving up space because of your past experience. Children are a blessing. Children also totally change your life dynamics & your space requirements. Cheers
I would take a close look at how Catalpa is raising two kids on a monohull.
Dave and Alecia here, Andy Miller makes a great point!! Also, you may want to contact Malin and Johan of Sailing Ran II. The purchased a Najad about a year ago and would be a magnificent source of information on the Najad. They have a very young daughter, Vera so they would also have some information on raising a family on a Najad. Godspeed, Dave and Alecia
tellin ya, check out that little harbor 44. Will sail circles around any of the other boats you've looked at, and the price is 110k less than the Shannon.
Ooh baby! What a show stopper! I thought this might have been the one, I'd stick a cheeky offer in see where it takes me. Great vid guys, thank you both, stay safe from Spain
Shoot a note to Captain Q. He's shown some really nice boats up in Maine on his UA-cam channel.
Just got home from work. Wasn’t expecting you guys to release a new episode until tomorrow. This was a great surprise. About to watch now!! 😁
I don’t know if it’s “your” boat, but it’s not too big for what you are facing. 5/5 means “perfect,” no reservations, so you can’t give it 5/5 Livability while saying you don’t like the wet head. Maybe 4.8 or 4.9.
i don't understand the issue with a wet head. With all the peeing that happens in there its always nice to keep it rinsed out regularly. To me that is a work saver.
Hap is so right on with "better to grow into than out of"
Hi. I am new to your channel but have some experience sailing with children. I did it professionally for nearly ten years.
This is a lovely boat however if you expect to be sailing a lot, big boats mean big power and big loads on your sheets. Small children need small loads, consider more smaller sails to keep the loads any single line as low as you can. Sheet loads on a 40ft+ sloop will be too much for children Consider a cutter or better again a staysail ketch or schooner.
Also consider moving around the deck at sea at night. Children are keen and capable from about 7yrs and will want to help and join in, high coach roof and lots of grab bars gives confidence and plenty to hang on to. If you want to bring on their confidence and ability that's important.
Also one to consider is small children need a lot of hot water and honestly, you can't have too much but too little and life gets very hard very quickly. If two bathrooms is available that too would be good, poorly children can't hold it for long.
Good luck with your search, I really hope you make it happen.
The Najad 370 would be my choice. Ran Sailing will give you a perfect description with actual perforance. It looks like a perfect fit for you two.
Hey, if ya’ll are still in NC or even FL we’d love to take you to dinner. I personally have learned so much and have been inspired by your journey.
Blessings 😊❤️🙏
Totally stunning boat for sure. Best one I have seen so far. Good luck on your search.
Love the three cabins for children that are opposite sex. If same no biggie. When they r older not sure if opposite sex is a good idea sleeping together. I’ve heard some horror stories. Bunk beds are amazing. Just thinking of my kids and grandkids and what we have gone thru. If u won’t be staying in this boat when they are older than 8-10 Yrs old then no biggie. Just my experience. Love this boat searching segment. Good luck praying for u guys.
I think a challenge you may have is you don’t yet know your future kids. You may or may not need separate spaces. We adopted 3 kids last Feb and we just built a wall to make our three bedroom home a 4 bedroom. We thought our twins could handle a shared room but they really needed separation and private space (they are 5) you have so much to consider and just love being on this journey as an viewer of yours.
There are other products different than varnish that last a lot longer without the upkeep
Can urethane handle all the sun exposure? If not, with all your patrons, you might be able to hire out the varnishing. My experience with stinkpot crew cruising taught me that varnishing is a special talent. My drinkin' buddy in Miami in 1973 was a well-respected varnisher.
@@lonniepee9804 i have not had very good luck with urethane, instead i stubbled on a product called CETOL that lasts for years without touchups
As always good to see you guys. Yeah that boat was too fancy, you guys are more down to earth. I don’t mean this in a negative way. Blessings to you both.
Ok, I’ll address the elephant in the room.
You are only alllowed to have a really pretty boat if you are still prepared to write patreons names all over it in sharpie 👍
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'At 'ere's funny. I don't care who you are. ;-) They might have to downgrade to a Bic pen. ;-)
@@lonniepee9804 or upgrade to fancy Silver and Gold Sharpie Paint Pens! If you wanna go crazy, have a very small CNC engraving machine onboard to make brass name plates!
@@ProjectAtticus you guys should look at an Island Packet 360, it checks off a lot of your boxes, has removable bunk beds in the aft and forward cabin, shoal draft, separate shower and has the comfiest nav station imaginable with its own dedicated leather recliner. Yes you heard that right.
long time viewer, thanks for showing a boat was built in my state of rhode island, cool.
Great boat. Offer a lot less. All they can do is say no. It depends on how bad they want to sell.
I raised kids on a sailboat and knew other sailing families. I have seen you on around 50' feet also because you are a large man. You have learned a lot and conformed well to Atticus 1, but you don't know yourselves as having 2 growing kids on a larger windship. Highest Blessings finding what's truly best for you.
Beautiful boats, to be sure, albeit way overpriced. Centerboards, and all that wood topsides, are both huge red flags, in my book.
You really should track down a Tayana 42 CC, or other similar boats by designers like Perry, Brewer, Huntingford, Gillmer, etc. (w/o teak decks 😉)
Regarding space: you will fill whatever you have. 👍
Keep looking, and stay safe!
Center cockpit is definitely the way to go.
I went up to the Shannon Boat yard in 1979 and met the founders Walter Schultz and David Walters who went onto start Cambria yachts. I was going to buy one but work got in the way. I can tell you from personal experience these yachts can take you anywhere around the world in safety. Walter knew what he was doing when he built these yachts. These are not condos on the water but you will be safe. She is a beauty. You have two great other choices. The Najad is a great yacht SV Ran have one and its a lovely yacht its up there with great swedish yacht builder Hallberg rassy which is a incredible yacht which i am looking at buying. There was a pacific seacraft for sale in Newport beach last fall and i think it was a 37. If i hear of anything ill let you know. Good luck. cheers
Children will accept the environment they are raised in as normal, good, bad, big or small. Just think of a family of four looking at a bigger boat with all the excitement children bring to the equation in ten years, how fun will that be.
We are moving up from a 22ft boat to a 27 and it feels like a mansion!!! Last summer we were overnighting on the 22, and i pulled out the make due bucket head, in the AM to do my business squatted between my son and my daughter on the setees..... I thought....its time for a bigger boat!!!
Only half way through the episode but my favourite boat so far that you’ve shown us 👍🏴
It is not too big. I have a Alden 44 and single hand a lot. When I have a few friends on board I almost wish it was bigger. You have to remember all boats shrink 25% when you are living aboard. I don't see how you could go wrong with a Shannon. I would have bought one over my Alden if the price was right.
These boat review videos are fantastic. Thank you.
The only thing wrong with that boat was the price.
Strange. There are at least two other shannon 43s in that same neighborhood and they only looked at the 274K one. The others are sub 200K
I feel that choosing the Shannon is a no-brainer. Every boat will have something which doesn’t meet your current expectations; it is just a case of finding the boat which has the most ‘hits’ rather than ‘misses’. On the other side of the deep water, if you are in the warm climates, you will find creeks in the mangroves which are excellent cyclone shelter, if your boat is sufficiently shallow draft. (I am writing this from Australia). I would add davits across the stern for your tender, and I would recommend a rigid tender rather than an inflatable. I will be very interested to see which boat you finally settle on.