As a Caliber 40 owner, it was a little rough listening to your criticism but all is fair. Several things: the aft head is the “sea head”. You use the forward head for storage when at sea as the aft head is at the fulcrum of the boat and also is an excellent place to throw wet gear. The performance upwind is fair. However, this boat likes to be “pulled by the nose” meaning it’s all headsail. Put a reacher or asym on her and she will fly! The master cabin is the most comfortable I’ve ever been in. Been living aboard for over 10 years and I love it. Great to see you checking out the Cali er! Surprised you didn’t mention the integral tanks, tank capacity, removable cutter stay, and general livability of the boat. But, I’m a Caliber owner so I’m biased! Great videos and keep ‘em coming!!!
@@royhoward119 There are 2 models…the Caliber 40 and the after 1995 the Caliber 40 LRC. We have a 1992 so the tankage is 50 gal fuel and 160 gallons water. The tankage on the LRC models is far greater.
Fun fact: My wife and I made all of the cushions on that boat... Our slip is about 10 away from that boat. It's a shame you aren't going to buy it. I know how well the current owners took care of it... and enjoyed it for many, many years.
Great review/video. One thing I like about the Calibers is that they are very rugged with fully encapsulated keels, solid hulls, no balsa anywhere (no wet decks), and very sturdy rigs.
You underrated this boat. Spend 2 weeks on a Caliber 40 lrc and we sailed in rough condition offshore and I felt very comfortable and save. The only issue we had on a broad reach sailing with to much sail, where the boat was turning to the wind. After sail adjustment she sailed with no pressure on the helm very smooth. I recommend this boat for long term cruising.
Got to love that sugar scoop rear end, good davit system, nice solar arch, lots of good stuff, but I guess that's what you get when you start looking at boats over 40 feet and over $100,000 dollars. Really enjoying the search, thank you for taking us along.
We had a C&C 37 and our neighbors in the slip beside us had a Caliber 40LRC. I loved that boat. Especially the ease of getting to all the systems as well as the easy access to the salon from the cockpit. You could go up or down with no hands carrying drinks or plates of food which you seem to do much more than most people realize.
Ive been captivated by all the talk of boat buying and the details you always check. I want to one day purchase my own and circumnavigate the world so its been extremely informative. Beyond that, I just wanna say how much I adore your videos. Ive chimed in a time or two, but your videos are always so calm and relaxing. It feels like no matter how big a squall life throws at me, your videos always calm me down.
A couple of tips from a dad. You have very good points and considerations in your reviews. I would also consider the following, if I was planning for 2 kids and if I was looking for a liveaboard boat. First of all I would prioritize 3 separate cabins. Kids tend to born not simultaneously (except in rare cases), so a parent is going to need some privacy with the newly born in the beginning. Unless the intention is to keep the whole crew awake 24/7. When the kids become teenagers (which happens FAST) they will need separate rooms, not only separate beds.
Agree 100%. It was amazing how much happier we all were once we got a minivan so each kid could have his own seat on long trips. And the word FAST above can not be emphasized enough! "The days are long, but the years are short." May God bless your yet-to-be family!
My kids are 5 and 8. We just moved up from a 22ft boat to a 27 which in one season started to seem small. Bigger boats become small quicker with kids! I am back here as the Caliber 33 is an interesting boat for me, my family size and my price point!
Finally a Caliber 40 review ! I really like these boats . Kind of pricey and I've seen them go for double what they're asking here but we’re super well equipped. The Shannon you’ll love .
The forward cabin is wonderful. I find myself hanging out there. You'll love that. The chain locker issue is real. You have to tend the chain when she comes up, no way around it. The Nav station issue is real, too. It's cramped. I don't find myself spending much time there. As far as single handing, this boat is a dream. You would probably want to use the quarterberth as a sea berth.
I have a handful of clients who LOVE their mast furling- personally: it’s not my preference because I like to keep as little weight aloft as possible and getting up to tend to issues leaves your on deck hand solo and VERY responsible for your and the boats well being. A second head is great- but you have to carry twice the marine sanitation fixing supplies... Following your purchase adventure has been ultra fun- because I shop and sell boats for a living- plus my partner and I are shopping for our next step up in racer / cruiser sailboat- it’s crazy to see how carrying our priorities are! Great videos guys!
I'm learning so much from you two. Our first sailboat (1976 25' Ericson) was purchased on line and saw her on the hard with cheque in hand! Cheers from Canada!!
Maybe this will be the one. You have had some bad luck, but you have worked hard for your dream, and your acquired experience and skill is about to pay off. You have a lot of fans out here anxious to see you out on the water again!
The anchor locker issue can be easily solved. I did it on my boat. I made a wide roller of PVC tubing and positioned it over the desired location of the pile of chain. Positioned it as low as reasonable and the chain self feeds to make the pile. When the pile is high enough so there is not enough free chain hanging from the roller to keep pulling it to the rear it falls forward where there is still room for the rest. I don't even need to open the locker when anchoring it is very reliable just using gravity.
I just bought my first yacht, a 38foot steel cutter rig, for NZ$30,000. Very good condition, 30 years old, off the original builder.. Thats what I call a good buy. Yes its been round the world as a live on board for 17 years after building.. Woohoo
I grew up spending my summers on a sailboat as a kid with my sister. My father was 6'5" and we were extremely comfortable on a 1992 monte cristo 43'. It was a center cockpit with the main salon aft. There was one head, and 3 individual staterooms. Built in South Africa it was more than equipped for long and short hauls.
What a gorgeous boat. Not sure about raising two kids on there, but lots of families do it, so I’m sure you could too. Changing station is definitely not at an ideal level. You will hate that. Really glad I found you guys months ago. You two are great!!!
Always liked the LRC or Long Range Cruising version but this model is really a 42-45 fit in to a 40. The settee and NAV (wow that was a miss, imagine how much bigger / better the galley could have been) were sacrificed. Love the slo-mo scenes. Looking fwd to the Shannon 43.
Your search is so much fun, at least from where I am. I am sure it is a lot harder than it looks. Your positive attitudes, your eye on the prize search, and your respect for each other will get you through this in flying colors. After10 years in this boat I wonder what you priorities will be? Wait let’s get through this journey!!!!!! 😀 Have fun, be safe, and see you next week. As always thanks for taking us on your journey. You are bright spots in these confusing times.
The Caliber 40LRC was quite good, but my guess at this point in time is the Tayana Vancouver 42. Following your progress with interest! But nothing yet beats the galley in the Tayana and the Nav station is vastly better. Hope you can get a recent production if you choose it, to eliminate the likely tank storage issues. Thanks for taking us on your journey for Atticus 2. It is truly informative following you!
Passport 40 might be worth looking at with the forward berth instead of the pullman berth. I have seen a couple for around $100,000 that need minimum work and they are nice. Just something to consider. The Pullman berth version has an extra head in the aft cabin but both Berths are double and not a sailboat queen. It is set up similar to the caliber but a lot more woodwork. Also the second head on the passport is in the quarter berth under a lid and doesn’t take from the salon. I guess it will be if you want wood or that white wall. The passport can be used as a cutter rig . The draft just under 6’. For $150,000 you would get a fantastic passport It is definitely a passage boat as well. That is a great boat and is a big step above the Tayana for quality but it probably reflects in the price.
Firstly, the boat's in absolute immaculate condition..What a great job the current owner(s) have done! Really nice galley as well. However, it seems like several areas were designed as after thoughts. Unfortunately, the nav station, is in an awkward position. The interior layout seems a bit dodgy. These boats also aren't the smoothest during open water cruising. Especially at higher speeds. Something to remember with young children or infants. Cheers from Western OZ!
I can understand your reservations due to your priorities, but because of its condition among the other comforts; don’t forget about this boat ⛵️ . Just in case. Love the journey you are bringing us on . 👍
@@Berelore you're a funny guy, but even then, yes never leave a boat(at sea) unless you have to step up into the life raft. BTW I can't walk on water, but then you might think you can....right?
I have no idea why I always thought Jordan was short, but knowing he's my height makes these boat tours way more relevant since I start boat shopping in Florida Monday. Thanks for ALLL the videos and motivation guys hopefully I'll see you out there one day 🙌💛🙌
Was very excited to see the 40 LRC for this video! If you don’t buy it, I may consider it? While cruising, I personally did all my charting on the main settee so I could completely roll out the charts, so the smallish nav station would never be a problem if it were me. The starboard settee being to short to use as a sea berth could be resolved by opening up a footwell into the locker? Seen many boats that are built this way. Operating an in mast roller furler? When putting the sail away, Just make sure to keep a lot of pressure on the outhaul as you operate the furling line. If the sail rolls up into the mast too lose, it can be very difficult to roll it out later. The sail gets bound up on itself while exiting the mast. You will lose some sail area with this system also because you cannot bring the sail all the way to the end of the boom. The outhaul tract and roller need space. You also won’t have any abilities to create sail shape. It works though, people have been using these sails for years. Can’t beat the tankage and cabin ventilations. As you know? Without a genset and air conditioning, good ventilation is the only way to sleep at night in the tropics. As you can see “Bud” I’m trying hard to sell this boat for Jordan lol. I would love nothing more than to see all the rest of your cruising videos as you circumnavigate using this boat. Im personally not ready yet for a few more years to do what your doing but would love to vicariously go cruising with you guys on this boat. Beware that I may downplay all the other boats as your choosing the right one for you? JK!! Love your channel and thanks again!
the floor space alone makes this boat perfect for small kids having play space. the second head with little kids is key so you can leave the step stool in there and and potty seat attached and you know..kid stuff..soap toothbrush etc.
Given your requirements and price constraints, what are John Kretschmer’s 3 to 5 favorite sailboats? Bernie Jakits 3 to 5 favorite boats? Do they agree on anything?
With the settee choices , the forward pocket double and the head forward, along with proven heavy sea ability I know I sound like a broken record but the Hans Christian 38 or 41 checks all the boxes and aft cabin . Finding one in great shape would be the challenge. I've seen them listed below 100 in great shape. Personal taste is everything though.
Thanks for keeping us updated and you guys are definitely doing the right thing by taking your time and making a good decision. We are watching your show from Central Texas. Love yawls show!❤️❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍👍
Again.... Love it. I'm almost always sold on the boat but the next week happens. Cass thinks this is the one but I'm like "Na na na na. Just wait. There's always next week". I do love this boat but We still can't wait for what's next.
I think this is the one. You guys are no stranger to fixing things. You can redesign work spaces. Plus you're used to a pretty ridiculously small area already, this would give you room and ideas. At the very least, keep this one in mind for sure. The one thing I don't like is how you have to crawl around the steering wheel. Could be wonky in emergencies, but not a deal breaker.
I would recommend looking at Bristol CC’s (center cockpits 41.1, 43.3, 45.5) in the 41-46 foot range. They have lots of advantages/features found in newer/modern boats. If you can find one that is well outfitted, it could be a great one to look at given the boxes you are looking to check.
About the furling Main. I have a little bit experience about it on a Jeanneu 44. It seems to get stuck every now and then and sometimes causing problems offshore and high seas and wind but that being said very comfortable when it works! Love your videos!
Love the headroom (I'm 6'3"+). I couldn't deal with the sea berth or nav station either. I like a swim step/sugar scoop but that one's a bit small (for landing a fish). Are you absolutely not interested in cats? Plenty of Lagoon 380 (and some Leopard 40) pretty close to that price range. They'd give so much more space although they don't sail upwind quite as well. Off the wind and beam reaching you could haul ass. Redundant engines, but that means maintaining 2 also. Abundant solar possibilities and great dinghy storage. Also it's great not hauling lead that will sink you if you hole the boat.
I really like to hear your descriptions of the important things you guys are thinking about. I'm hoping to buy a boat within the next 3-4 years as well, large enough for 4... so its nice to hear your view on things... Oh.. and who isn't a fan of Kretschmer? He's awesome! :)
Maybe a washing machine as a priority. Even one baby equals many diaper changes. Brian and Kaza on Delos would be a good source of info on the subject of a baby on a boat.
By far the best sailing channel on UA-cam! Best of luck on your boat buying journey. Excited with you on a new chapter sailing around the world! #fan4life
Oooooo. Shannon Next. You may just fall in love. I gush over them. There is a Caliber in my home marina that I love. Thanks for these vids. The multi-faceted overviews and personal opinions are all of fantastic value.
Halberg Rassy 40/43/44 & Najad 440 all have a spacious aft cabin. More sea kindly berths and flexibility for a family onboard, with a spacious foward facing chart table, more storage and a washing machine. Perhaps there aren't so many in the USA.
Good looking boat with a nice interior and amazingly well maintained. All those hatches would be a ton of maintenance even for someone who could sleep in the sea berth and sit in the nav-station. Also, any middle of the night bathroom breaks for those in the forward berth would get ridiculous based on only having access to get up from one side.
Our 3 boys are now all well over 20 :-) Trying to cope with them sharing a bed when they were young would have been a nightmare for us ;-) Even more so when they get a bit older if you have a mixture of boys and girls. I wonder if any of the designs you are looking at have a couple of quarter berths? Even if they are not full cabins they are great for kids (can always add a curtain). While they are small there is still loads of storage at the far end. Plus when you are on passage they will need sea berths anyway, quarter berths will provide that. If the quarter berths are large then they can be a play space, also you can put a net/lee cloth at the end to stop them escaping (saves the hassles that you see on la Vagabonde where they have to put a lid on a child cot).
Confession time. I hadn't looked much at layouts for family bluewater cruising. Quarter berth cabins are lightweight Med charters or much older designs. Still I'm not convinced at using v-berths at sea for the kids. Maybe pilot berths in the saloon for passages? The designs are far too focused on two couples rather than parents and kids. Maybe one way is to refit a pullman cabin as two bunks, while you have the aft cabin. Or some of the older aft cabin designs have 2 singles in the aft cabin (but I'd want a walk through to it for kids). Our centre cockpit Rival 38 can have both the forecabin and the aft cabin as v-berths or doubles. But only about 6 built and too old for what you are looking for.
I live in northern calif and have a 19’ SeaFox 186 Commander fishing boat. It’s a 2020 and I’ve always been proud of it UNTIL I saw ur boat search videos lol. All those fancy terms man! But I did relate to the muddy chain part hahaha. Anyway, can’t wait for the next video. Don’t forget the category of: “Can this boat catch fish?” Lol luv you guys!
Hi guys! I love following your boat search. I am also 6.4 and find it very important to get a boat with full head space. But I dont understand why your not looking a catamarans, with 2 kids in the future, play space and comfort must be the most importent, the hole thing about sailing more, I think that will chance, and the kids will take over that priorty.. the cats are fast and more stable for small feet to walk around, you will have to a lot more cooking/feeting. and if you want to sail more upwind, get one with daggerboards. Looking forward to see the next boat review, hang loose from Denmark...
A clean bilge is a great indication of the overall maintenance being done by the current owners. Lots of comments about seeing you guys dressed in "regular garb". Des you would look great in a potato sack, Jordan you struck Gold when you chose this young beautiful woman as your forever partner. I'm a little surprised at the $ you are looking to spend. Shop wisely (like u are) you should be able to get something very special and a boat that should allow you to grow into it! Little Des and Jordan's everywhere! LOL ....
As a dad I am of the opinion that you are trying to find two boats in one hull. Kids are like boats in that the bigger they get their footprint gets exponentially larger. Try thinking about getting your first born through to the age of five or six and then you'll want to either get a bigger boat or find something with a yard. Enjoy your work and be safe carrying on!
Funny but that was pretty much my exact thought. May be the wrong time for the forever boat. 40 feet will be good until the first child is about 5. I think the forever boat will need to be bigger!
I obviously don't know you or your desired time table but have you considered Something in the mid 50 foot range or a shade larger? You might start a new industry doing weekend charters for people with small kids. The bad word in this is charters of course but you are still going to have to pay the bills (if you thought boats were expensive you haven't priced kids lol). With ~200K subscribers you already have a target market and you might even do teaching cruses either as individual (or couples) instruction or team up with an off the beaten path resort and have a weeks worth of partying on the beach at night and load em up and school em during the day. Random thoughts. Anyway, good luck!
This is my very first UA-cam comment ever. I just want to tell you Desiree, that I am completely OBSESSED with your gorgeous hair!!! Also, you seem like you’re almost a real person. 🤣🤣🤣 You guys rock!! We had the best time last night. Hopefully, we can go out on Argo while you’re in town.
😂😂😂😂 thanks for a memorable hang out session and the most delicious dinner we've had in a while! Oh and give the pups a squeeze for me! Fingers crossed we can hit the water this weekend!
that sea berth has a relatively easy fix - we cut a relief through the bulkhead into the f'ward cabin - like a pigeon hole. First saw the idea in a Warship when the commissioning CO was 6'4" bloody funny - but also really effective - appropriately trimmed up of course. but you have to fess up Jordan is not the ideal height for a yachtsman - sailing manual 101 says an idea yachtsman should be 5'10" and celibate - never did like text books
In mast furling is awesome. I purchased my first boat with a furling main and I was a tad nervous, due to lack of experience with the furled. After a season of sailing, I can’t imagine going back to a traditional mainsail.
2nd head is v useful especially with a young family. Firstly, you’ll appreciate your privacy / separation when they are still learning how to clean their teeth without covering your sink in kiddy candy flavour toothpaste. Secondly, the toilet will be more prone to blockage with kids on board. Hence a 2nd head is a welcome emergency backup option when they kids block the toilet 200nm from land. Don’t ask me how I know this.
Nice yacht but i dont think the perfect one for u guys, think u can and should get a little bigger, ofcourse if the budget allows it. One type of ocean going yacht i could recommend is the Amel Maramu 46, perfect for offshore going around the world with center cockpit (a lot safer), 2 masts, very large master bedroom and plenty of space for 2 kids and tons of living space. Done trips on the ocean with and it was a joy even in very rough weather. Clearly made for long voyages! Best of luck on your journey to find your new yacht, hope u fund your dreamboat!
Just a thought, Bobby White AKA "Sailing Doodles" has his CT 56 for sale. You might want to check it out for comfort. Right now it's not sailing and needs an over haul. He is got it up for sale, rather inexpensive (cheap) due to the last sail he had.
This boat gets my vote so far. Convert second head to a shop space (and all that stuff you wanna put in the engine compartment). Take out the bench seat in the nav station. Mast furling a question. Performance is compromised. Great boat. Adapt?
Can't wait to see what you think of the Shannon 43. She is a looker. She has pretty lines like Atticus does. Plus the navigation stations are better thought out.
There are definitely strong opinions out there regarding in-mast furling. You can't beat it for convenience. Reefing is a snap. And you can reef to any percentage of sail area you want, instead of being locked into 2 or 3 reef points. They ARE finnicky and can jam easily if you are not attentive. However, if you learn the tricks to their proper care and feeding I have found them to be reliable. I am sure you guys could master that. Some will say you pay a performance price, but in my view that does not outweigh the convenience factor and reefing capabilities.
While you are not changing your priorities midstream, you should consider the time you will spend underway and time spent at anchor in the Pacific. The approach of this boat - 50%-50% - is something to think about. If you are really interested in places you go, you will probably spend more time on anchor than on passage - OK, now 90-10 but still, like 60-40 or so. (moving in the lagoon of an atoll I consider as anchor time). And if you sail with kids, they will need much more time on land (is-land or other land) meeting other people and socializing, you just cannot be underway all the time. Therefore I am not sure if it is really smart to optimize only for passage comfort. (This is independent of the outcome on this one which obviously doesn't really fit you anyway, just a thought)
I have worked on a few Calibers (38 and 40LRC) I like them a lot. I met owner of Caliber who helped on a survey of a 40 LRC that just sold under market value (owner did not use broker). The nav station I have issue with, the nav station on my boat is laid out the same and offshore its useless if on the wrong tack. Also I installed/changed thru hulls and seacocks on a few different 38 and 40 Caliber's (6 separate boats) and the hull thickness variation is crazy within a small area (5/16 to 5/8 on same 1 1/2 thru-hull). In the end I would still like to own the 40 LRC. Little teak, nice layout, no v-birth, good tankage, effective hull design and a usable but not crazy sugar scoop.
I believe you all hit the nail on the head. It is almost. Nice boat I admit. I also at 6'3 would have Jordan's same concern, If you had a main cabin with office area I could give and take on the nav station. Like Desiree was saying on the protection of the Nav station with the stove area right there. Hmm. I see possible issues with that, like that sneak attack. That sail ability I also would not like to well as you Jordan. Keep looking, it will be the most important decision you make and both of you have laid out what you want in a boat and the experience you have, Well Its not the one. Desiree, did you know Jordan was giving me private lessons on what works and what don't? lol. Take care and keep shopping and have fun.
2004 49' Bavaria sailboat for sale in the virgin islands on St. John’s. It’s listed on face for $109,000 and has three cabins and three heads. By the way if you like having that further on your front sails then you would probably like having in mast furling because it gives you that same ease when you want to reef the sails. PS no it’s not mine but if I was in the market right now and had the money it probably would be. it looks wonderful from what I’ve seen so far. of course I’d never buy it without first seeing it.
Comment regarding second head on Caliber 40. I know little about off shore sailing but I am the father of 4 so I know about children. First, it would appear that child #1 will not arrive for a few months, let’s say 9 months and he/ she will not use a head until they are about 2 years old. That means you are almost three years from needing a second head. When baby #2 arrives that adds another 2 years, so you are almost 5 years before you have 4 people using the head. Little children do not use the washroom unattended so there will be some time after the five year mark before they are both using the head on their own. Now a head is not usually big but on a 40 ft. boat it is a large amount of the space. That is what the sea berth and the nav station is too small. I was raised with three sisters, a total of 7 people in a house with one washroom. It was sufficient. The second head requires too much space and space is at a premium on a boat. The location of the head during toilet training may be an important consideration because there is often not much warning between notice and delivery. Know what I’m saying? So the head should probably be near the cockpit companionway. Also, Desirae you don’t want to be changing a baby on a table that is above your shoulders. Not a good idea. Change time is one on one time, fun time, play time bonding time you need eye contact, At least I think it is important, but that was never my department. Love your show. Have fun and be safe!
I'm really happy that the kickstarter went so well. These boat search videos have been fantastic, really well shot and some really great explanations of your thinking and why you rate the boats how you rate them. I'm torn because I want you to find Atticus II, but I want to keep seeing you review boats. (Especially if you threw in some reviews of other UA-cam boats without showing the name or showing the crew/owners just to see if people recognize them.
Just food for thought, and if you can locate one, take a look at an Amel brand. It is made for the ocean and boast the fact that different compartments are water tight one from the other should something happen and you take on water. As far as I know, this is the only family/crusing sailboat that has this feature. I follow a cruising couple with a baby here on youtube and they sail an Amel. Good boats!
The one really big draw back for me with that boat, and I know the Calibers are nice boats, but no bridge deck is a huge big deal. For me I wouldn’t call that a blue water boat, whether it’s gone around the world or not. The other thing for me is no granny bars. You can’t count on the in mast furler not breaking down. I’m so stoked you guys are all over that too! The Shannon’s are very nice!
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As a Caliber 40 owner, it was a little rough listening to your criticism but all is fair. Several things: the aft head is the “sea head”. You use the forward head for storage when at sea as the aft head is at the fulcrum of the boat and also is an excellent place to throw wet gear.
The performance upwind is fair. However, this boat likes to be “pulled by the nose” meaning it’s all headsail. Put a reacher or asym on her and she will fly!
The master cabin is the most comfortable I’ve ever been in. Been living aboard for over 10 years and I love it. Great to see you checking out the Cali er! Surprised you didn’t mention the integral tanks, tank capacity, removable cutter stay, and general livability of the boat.
But, I’m a Caliber owner so I’m biased!
Great videos and keep ‘em coming!!!
So, what is the tankage?
@@royhoward119 There are 2 models…the Caliber 40 and the after 1995 the Caliber 40 LRC. We have a 1992 so the tankage is 50 gal fuel and 160 gallons water. The tankage on the LRC models is far greater.
Fun fact: My wife and I made all of the cushions on that boat... Our slip is about 10 away from that boat. It's a shame you aren't going to buy it. I know how well the current owners took care of it... and enjoyed it for many, many years.
If publisher's clearing house comes calling, I will be in touch.
@@clausingmoss7722 Broker? Maybe. Owners? No... We are friends with them and they aren’t the self-promoting types.
Great review/video. One thing I like about the Calibers is that they are very rugged with fully encapsulated keels, solid hulls, no balsa anywhere (no wet decks), and very sturdy rigs.
You underrated this boat. Spend 2 weeks on a Caliber 40 lrc and we sailed in rough condition offshore and I felt very comfortable and save. The only issue we had on a broad reach sailing with to much sail, where the boat was turning to the wind. After sail adjustment she sailed with no pressure on the helm very smooth. I recommend this boat for long term cruising.
Got to love that sugar scoop rear end, good davit system, nice solar arch, lots of good stuff, but I guess that's what you get when you start looking at boats over 40 feet and over $100,000 dollars. Really enjoying the search, thank you for taking us along.
We had a C&C 37 and our neighbors in the slip beside us had a Caliber 40LRC. I loved that boat. Especially the ease of getting to all the systems as well as the easy access to the salon from the cockpit. You could go up or down with no hands carrying drinks or plates of food which you seem to do much more than most people realize.
It’s good to see that the tears a few weeks ago have changed over to big smiles. You will transition quite well once you find “the one”.
Close, but no cigar. You're closing in on the perfect one and I really believe you'll know it right off when you find it. Good luck on the search.
@@fufucker9898 My thoughts exactly and like I said chart folded in a large zip lock bag brings it to the helm. Too much fuss over the nav station.
Ive been captivated by all the talk of boat buying and the details you always check. I want to one day purchase my own and circumnavigate the world so its been extremely informative. Beyond that, I just wanna say how much I adore your videos. Ive chimed in a time or two, but your videos are always so calm and relaxing. It feels like no matter how big a squall life throws at me, your videos always calm me down.
A couple of tips from a dad.
You have very good points and considerations in your reviews.
I would also consider the following, if I was planning for 2 kids and if I was looking for a liveaboard boat.
First of all I would prioritize 3 separate cabins.
Kids tend to born not simultaneously (except in rare cases), so a parent is going to need some privacy with the newly born in the beginning. Unless the intention is to keep the whole crew awake 24/7.
When the kids become teenagers (which happens FAST) they will need separate rooms, not only separate beds.
Twins would solve that problem
Agree 100%. It was amazing how much happier we all were once we got a minivan so each kid could have his own seat on long trips. And the word FAST above can not be emphasized enough! "The days are long, but the years are short." May God bless your yet-to-be family!
My kids are 5 and 8. We just moved up from a 22ft boat to a 27 which in one season started to seem small. Bigger boats become small quicker with kids! I am back here as the Caliber 33 is an interesting boat for me, my family size and my price point!
you guys continue to lift me up and give me hope. What a wonderful gift. Be safe.
Finally a Caliber 40 review ! I really like these boats . Kind of pricey and I've seen them go for double what they're asking here but we’re super well equipped. The Shannon you’ll love .
The forward cabin is wonderful. I find myself hanging out there. You'll love that.
The chain locker issue is real. You have to tend the chain when she comes up, no way around it.
The Nav station issue is real, too. It's cramped. I don't find myself spending much time there.
As far as single handing, this boat is a dream.
You would probably want to use the quarterberth as a sea berth.
I have a handful of clients who LOVE their mast furling- personally: it’s not my preference because I like to keep as little weight aloft as possible and getting up to tend to issues leaves your on deck hand solo and VERY responsible for your and the boats well being.
A second head is great- but you have to carry twice the marine sanitation fixing supplies...
Following your purchase adventure has been ultra fun- because I shop and sell boats for a living- plus my partner and I are shopping for our next step up in racer / cruiser sailboat- it’s crazy to see how carrying our priorities are!
Great videos guys!
I'm learning so much from you two. Our first sailboat (1976 25' Ericson) was purchased on line and saw her on the hard with cheque in hand! Cheers from Canada!!
Maybe this will be the one. You have had some bad luck, but you have worked hard for your dream, and your acquired experience and skill is about to pay off. You have a lot of fans out here anxious to see you out on the water again!
The anchor locker issue can be easily solved. I did it on my boat. I made a wide roller of PVC tubing and positioned it over the desired location of the pile of chain. Positioned it as low as reasonable and the chain self feeds to make the pile. When the pile is high enough so there is not enough free chain hanging from the roller to keep pulling it to the rear it falls forward where there is still room for the rest. I don't even need to open the locker when anchoring it is very reliable just using gravity.
I just bought my first yacht, a 38foot steel cutter rig, for NZ$30,000. Very good condition, 30 years old, off the original builder.. Thats what I call a good buy. Yes its been round the world as a live on board for 17 years after building.. Woohoo
Remember that the in mast furling increases weight significantly up the mast , meaning that at anchor the boat rocks a lot more
I grew up spending my summers on a sailboat as a kid with my sister. My father was 6'5" and we were extremely comfortable on a 1992 monte cristo 43'. It was a center cockpit with the main salon aft. There was one head, and 3 individual staterooms. Built in South Africa it was more than equipped for long and short hauls.
What a gorgeous boat. Not sure about raising two kids on there, but lots of families do it, so I’m sure you could too. Changing station is definitely not at an ideal level. You will hate that. Really glad I found you guys months ago. You two are great!!!
Really enjoying this series of videos. Entertaining and informative format, excellent production values. Well done!
You two are getting better and better at pragmatic views of these boats, and are working as a really aligned (extended) team here. Bravo!
Always liked the LRC or Long Range Cruising version but this model is really a 42-45 fit in to a 40. The settee and NAV (wow that was a miss, imagine how much bigger / better the galley could have been) were sacrificed. Love the slo-mo scenes. Looking fwd to the Shannon 43.
Your search is so much fun, at least from where I am. I am sure it is a lot harder than it looks. Your positive attitudes, your eye on the prize search, and your respect for each other will get you through this in flying colors. After10 years in this boat I wonder what you priorities will be? Wait let’s get through this journey!!!!!! 😀 Have fun, be safe, and see you next week. As always thanks for taking us on your journey. You are bright spots in these confusing times.
The Caliber 40LRC was quite good, but my guess at this point in time is the Tayana Vancouver 42. Following your progress with interest! But nothing yet beats the galley in the Tayana and the Nav station is vastly better. Hope you can get a recent production if you choose it, to eliminate the likely tank storage issues. Thanks for taking us on your journey for Atticus 2. It is truly informative following you!
HEY Y'ALL. REALLY ENJOYING THESE PAST COUPLE VIDS!! UNFORTUNATELY IT MAKES ME WANT TO BUY A BOAT!!!! KEEP IT UP
Lol..haha me too!!!
You are killing it with this format. The pro tip, breakdown, etc. love it.
Passport 40 might be worth looking at with the forward berth instead of the pullman berth. I have seen a couple for around $100,000 that need minimum work and they are nice.
Just something to consider.
The Pullman berth version has an extra head in the aft cabin but both Berths are double and not a sailboat queen.
It is set up similar to the caliber but a lot more woodwork. Also the second head on the passport is in the quarter berth under a lid and doesn’t take from the salon.
I guess it will be if you want wood or that white wall.
The passport can be used as a cutter rig . The draft just under 6’. For $150,000 you would get a fantastic passport
It is definitely a passage boat as well.
That is a great boat and is a big step above the Tayana for quality but it probably reflects in the price.
Firstly, the boat's in absolute immaculate condition..What a great job the current owner(s) have done! Really nice galley as well. However, it seems like several areas were designed as after thoughts. Unfortunately, the nav station, is in an awkward position. The interior layout seems a bit dodgy. These boats also aren't the smoothest during open water cruising. Especially at higher speeds. Something to remember with young children or infants. Cheers from Western OZ!
I can understand your reservations due to your priorities, but because of its condition among the other comforts; don’t forget about this boat ⛵️ . Just in case. Love the journey you are bringing us on . 👍
Boats are like busses. Another one will be along in a few minutes! Go Atticus!
Never be afraid to walk away from a boat
@@sarabaker5349 Unless you're at sea...
@@Berelore you're a funny guy, but even then, yes never leave a boat(at sea) unless you have to step up into the life raft. BTW I can't walk on water, but then you might think you can....right?
I have no idea why I always thought Jordan was short, but knowing he's my height makes these boat tours way more relevant since I start boat shopping in Florida Monday. Thanks for ALLL the videos and motivation guys hopefully I'll see you out there one day 🙌💛🙌
Was very excited to see the 40 LRC for this video! If you don’t buy it, I may consider it? While cruising, I personally did all my charting on the main settee so I could completely roll out the charts, so the smallish nav station would never be a problem if it were me. The starboard settee being to short to use as a sea berth could be resolved by opening up a footwell into the locker? Seen many boats that are built this way. Operating an in mast roller furler? When putting the sail away, Just make sure to keep a lot of pressure on the outhaul as you operate the furling line. If the sail rolls up into the mast too lose, it can be very difficult to roll it out later. The sail gets bound up on itself while exiting the mast. You will lose some sail area with this system also because you cannot bring the sail all the way to the end of the boom. The outhaul tract and roller need space. You also won’t have any abilities to create sail shape. It works though, people have been using these sails for years. Can’t beat the tankage and cabin ventilations. As you know? Without a genset and air conditioning, good ventilation is the only way to sleep at night in the tropics. As you can see “Bud” I’m trying hard to sell this boat for Jordan lol. I would love nothing more than to see all the rest of your cruising videos as you circumnavigate using this boat. Im personally not ready yet for a few more years to do what your doing but would love to vicariously go cruising with you guys on this boat. Beware that I may downplay all the other boats as your choosing the right one for you? JK!! Love your channel and thanks again!
the floor space alone makes this boat perfect for small kids having play space. the second head with little kids is key so you can leave the step stool in there and and potty seat attached and you know..kid stuff..soap toothbrush etc.
Given your requirements and price constraints, what are John Kretschmer’s 3 to 5 favorite sailboats? Bernie Jakits 3 to 5 favorite boats? Do they agree on anything?
My favorite boat so far. Can't wait to see whats next.
I am so excited for you guys. Your being very methodical in selecting your new home which is a very smart. Good luck. 🍀
With the settee choices , the forward pocket double and the head forward, along with proven heavy sea ability I know I sound like a broken record but the Hans Christian 38 or 41 checks all the boxes and aft cabin . Finding one in great shape would be the challenge. I've seen them listed below 100 in great shape. Personal taste is everything though.
Thanks for keeping us updated and you guys are definitely doing the right thing by taking your time and making a good decision. We are watching your show from Central Texas. Love yawls show!❤️❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍👍
Again.... Love it. I'm almost always sold on the boat but the next week happens. Cass thinks this is the one but I'm like "Na na na na. Just wait. There's always next week". I do love this boat but We still can't wait for what's next.
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I am loving your boat reviews and can't wait to see the Shannon 43, on of my all time favorite designs.
I think this is the one. You guys are no stranger to fixing things. You can redesign work spaces. Plus you're used to a pretty ridiculously small area already, this would give you room and ideas. At the very least, keep this one in mind for sure.
The one thing I don't like is how you have to crawl around the steering wheel. Could be wonky in emergencies, but not a deal breaker.
Best one you have seen so far
I’m really enjoying this new series of videos you two are producing. You have really stepped up your game! Well done!
You are doing great! You two are so talented and it shows in the quality of your work. Keep your spirits up and get what you need. Love you guys.
You are both very wise people! Praying you get the ideal boat for you're future family!
I would recommend looking at Bristol CC’s (center cockpits 41.1, 43.3, 45.5) in the 41-46 foot range. They have lots of advantages/features found in newer/modern boats. If you can find one that is well outfitted, it could be a great one to look at given the boxes you are looking to check.
About the furling Main. I have a little bit experience about it on a Jeanneu 44. It seems to get stuck every now and then and sometimes causing problems offshore and high seas and wind but that being said very comfortable when it works! Love your videos!
Glad to see you guys back after Atticus 1. Glad to see you looking for a new boat...but still sailing...
Jordan! Shoes off on the boat! Come on man !
That is one well cared for boat - a rare find? You guys review well, making this well worth watching. And enjoyable of course!
Love the headroom (I'm 6'3"+). I couldn't deal with the sea berth or nav station either.
I like a swim step/sugar scoop but that one's a bit small (for landing a fish).
Are you absolutely not interested in cats? Plenty of Lagoon 380 (and some Leopard 40) pretty close to that price range. They'd give so much more space although they don't sail upwind quite as well. Off the wind and beam reaching you could haul ass. Redundant engines, but that means maintaining 2 also. Abundant solar possibilities and great dinghy storage. Also it's great not hauling lead that will sink you if you hole the boat.
I really like to hear your descriptions of the important things you guys are thinking about. I'm hoping to buy a boat within the next 3-4 years as well, large enough for 4... so its nice to hear your view on things... Oh.. and who isn't a fan of Kretschmer? He's awesome! :)
Not unusual to see a family of 4, with a dog on a 30' boat. Don't know how anyone could do it!!
Maybe a washing machine as a priority. Even one baby equals many diaper changes. Brian and Kaza on Delos would be a good source of info on the subject of a baby on a boat.
A washing machine uses a lot of water and is very heavy, particularly for a sailing vessel
Beautiful boat. I absolutely love shopping for boats with you both!!!
By far the best sailing channel on UA-cam! Best of luck on your boat buying journey. Excited with you on a new chapter sailing around the world! #fan4life
I'm finding this really educational, and love your commentary and thought behind your choices. Good luck!
Oooooo. Shannon Next. You may just fall in love. I gush over them. There is a Caliber in my home marina that I love. Thanks for these vids. The multi-faceted overviews and personal opinions are all of fantastic value.
Halberg Rassy 40/43/44 & Najad 440 all have a spacious aft cabin. More sea kindly berths and flexibility for a family onboard, with a spacious foward facing chart table, more storage and a washing machine. Perhaps there aren't so many in the USA.
This is my favorite sailboat so far
Good looking boat with a nice interior and amazingly well maintained. All those hatches would be a ton of maintenance even for someone who could sleep in the sea berth and sit in the nav-station. Also, any middle of the night bathroom breaks for those in the forward berth would get ridiculous based on only having access to get up from one side.
Our 3 boys are now all well over 20 :-)
Trying to cope with them sharing a bed when they were young would have been a nightmare for us ;-) Even more so when they get a bit older if you have a mixture of boys and girls.
I wonder if any of the designs you are looking at have a couple of quarter berths? Even if they are not full cabins they are great for kids (can always add a curtain). While they are small there is still loads of storage at the far end. Plus when you are on passage they will need sea berths anyway, quarter berths will provide that. If the quarter berths are large then they can be a play space, also you can put a net/lee cloth at the end to stop them escaping (saves the hassles that you see on la Vagabonde where they have to put a lid on a child cot).
Confession time. I hadn't looked much at layouts for family bluewater cruising. Quarter berth cabins are lightweight Med charters or much older designs.
Still I'm not convinced at using v-berths at sea for the kids. Maybe pilot berths in the saloon for passages?
The designs are far too focused on two couples rather than parents and kids.
Maybe one way is to refit a pullman cabin as two bunks, while you have the aft cabin.
Or some of the older aft cabin designs have 2 singles in the aft cabin (but I'd want a walk through to it for kids).
Our centre cockpit Rival 38 can have both the forecabin and the aft cabin as v-berths or doubles. But only about 6 built and too old for what you are looking for.
I live in northern calif and have a 19’ SeaFox 186 Commander fishing boat. It’s a 2020 and I’ve always been proud of it UNTIL I saw ur boat search videos lol. All those fancy terms man! But I did relate to the muddy chain part hahaha. Anyway, can’t wait for the next video. Don’t forget the category of: “Can this boat catch fish?” Lol luv you guys!
Hi guys! I love following your boat search. I am also 6.4 and find it very important to get a boat with full head space. But I dont understand why your not looking a catamarans, with 2 kids in the future, play space and comfort must be the most importent, the hole thing about sailing more, I think that will chance, and the kids will take over that priorty.. the cats are fast and more stable for small feet to walk around, you will have to a lot more cooking/feeting. and if you want to sail more upwind, get one with daggerboards. Looking forward to see the next boat review, hang loose from Denmark...
Well done, guys! Really enjoy following along on your search and have learned a lot from following the channel. Cheers!
The second aft heads on our Hunter 41AC is no compromise of saloon space ⛵️👍
Love all the detail you’re showing in these walkthroughs! Can you please ask John to make a top five cruising boat video?
Check out his book sailing a serious ocean for good list of top cruising sailboats 😁 I'll also ask him in case that list has changed
@@ProjectAtticus will do. Thanks!
A clean bilge is a great indication of the overall maintenance being done by the current owners. Lots of comments about seeing you guys dressed in "regular garb". Des you would look great in a potato sack, Jordan you struck Gold when you chose this young beautiful woman as your forever partner. I'm a little surprised at the $ you are looking to spend. Shop wisely (like u are) you should be able to get something very special and a boat that should allow you to grow into it! Little Des and Jordan's everywhere! LOL ....
As a dad I am of the opinion that you are trying to find two boats in one hull. Kids are like boats in that the bigger they get their footprint gets exponentially larger. Try thinking about getting your first born through to the age of five or six and then you'll want to either get a bigger boat or find something with a yard. Enjoy your work and be safe carrying on!
Funny but that was pretty much my exact thought. May be the wrong time for the forever boat. 40 feet will be good until the first child is about 5. I think the forever boat will need to be bigger!
I obviously don't know you or your desired time table but have you considered Something in the mid 50 foot range or a shade larger? You might start a new industry doing weekend charters for people with small kids. The bad word in this is charters of course but you are still going to have to pay the bills (if you thought boats were expensive you haven't priced kids lol). With ~200K subscribers you already have a target market and you might even do teaching cruses either as individual (or couples) instruction or team up with an off the beaten path resort and have a weeks worth of partying on the beach at night and load em up and school em during the day. Random thoughts. Anyway, good luck!
This is my very first UA-cam comment ever. I just want to tell you Desiree, that I am completely OBSESSED with your gorgeous hair!!! Also, you seem like you’re almost a real person. 🤣🤣🤣 You guys rock!! We had the best time last night. Hopefully, we can go out on Argo while you’re in town.
😂😂😂😂 thanks for a memorable hang out session and the most delicious dinner we've had in a while! Oh and give the pups a squeeze for me! Fingers crossed we can hit the water this weekend!
that sea berth has a relatively easy fix - we cut a relief through the bulkhead into the f'ward cabin - like a pigeon hole. First saw the idea in a Warship when the commissioning CO was 6'4" bloody funny - but also really effective - appropriately trimmed up of course. but you have to fess up Jordan is not the ideal height for a yachtsman - sailing manual 101 says an idea yachtsman should be 5'10" and celibate - never did like text books
I liked the boat too...however, totally agree with you about the nav station...the search continues. Good luck
Aloha from Hawaii
In mast furling is awesome. I purchased my first boat with a furling main and I was a tad nervous, due to lack of experience with the furled. After a season of sailing, I can’t imagine going back to a traditional mainsail.
That's your ride guys, accept the compromises xx
2nd head is v useful especially with a young family. Firstly, you’ll appreciate your privacy / separation when they are still learning how to clean their teeth without covering your sink in kiddy candy flavour toothpaste. Secondly, the toilet will be more prone to blockage with kids on board. Hence a 2nd head is a welcome emergency backup option when they kids block the toilet 200nm from land. Don’t ask me how I know this.
Nice yacht but i dont think the perfect one for u guys, think u can and should get a little bigger, ofcourse if the budget allows it. One type of ocean going yacht i could recommend is the Amel Maramu 46, perfect for offshore going around the world with center cockpit (a lot safer), 2 masts, very large master bedroom and plenty of space for 2 kids and tons of living space. Done trips on the ocean with and it was a joy even in very rough weather. Clearly made for long voyages! Best of luck on your journey to find your new yacht, hope u fund your dreamboat!
This boat got me excited! Cannot wait till the next video.
BEST BOAT SO FAR!!
Nice boat for sure. It is good that you have your needs in mind and to keep looking. ⛵
An informative & knowledgable episode .....looking forward to the next boat !
Just a thought, Bobby White AKA "Sailing Doodles" has his CT 56 for sale. You might want to check it out for comfort. Right now it's not sailing and needs an over haul. He is got it up for sale, rather inexpensive (cheap) due to the last sail he had.
Really nice boat for a couple. I love it, but it's just a little small for what you want. Keep looking, but keep this in the back of your minds.
Would be a great choice as a step up from Atticus. Roomy enough for a young family and a good solid cruiser. Will hold some value too.
This boat gets my vote so far. Convert second head to a shop space (and all that stuff you wanna put in the engine compartment). Take out the bench seat in the nav station. Mast furling a question. Performance is compromised. Great boat. Adapt?
Can't wait to see what you think of the Shannon 43. She is a looker. She has pretty lines like Atticus does. Plus the navigation stations are better thought out.
You will find to right boat. We looked for 2 years and at more boats than I can remember. Good luck.
There are definitely strong opinions out there regarding in-mast furling. You can't beat it for convenience. Reefing is a snap. And you can reef to any percentage of sail area you want, instead of being locked into 2 or 3 reef points. They ARE finnicky and can jam easily if you are not attentive. However, if you learn the tricks to their proper care and feeding I have found them to be reliable. I am sure you guys could master that. Some will say you pay a performance price, but in my view that does not outweigh the convenience factor and reefing capabilities.
While you are not changing your priorities midstream, you should consider the time you will spend underway and time spent at anchor in the Pacific. The approach of this boat - 50%-50% - is something to think about. If you are really interested in places you go, you will probably spend more time on anchor than on passage - OK, now 90-10 but still, like 60-40 or so. (moving in the lagoon of an atoll I consider as anchor time).
And if you sail with kids, they will need much more time on land (is-land or other land) meeting other people and socializing, you just cannot be underway all the time.
Therefore I am not sure if it is really smart to optimize only for passage comfort.
(This is independent of the outcome on this one which obviously doesn't really fit you anyway, just a thought)
I have worked on a few Calibers (38 and 40LRC) I like them a lot. I met owner of Caliber who helped on a survey of a 40 LRC that just sold under market value (owner did not use broker). The nav station I have issue with, the nav station on my boat is laid out the same and offshore its useless if on the wrong tack. Also I installed/changed thru hulls and seacocks on a few different 38 and 40 Caliber's (6 separate boats) and the hull thickness variation is crazy within a small area (5/16 to 5/8 on same 1 1/2 thru-hull). In the end I would still like to own the 40 LRC. Little teak, nice layout, no v-birth, good tankage, effective hull design and a usable but not crazy sugar scoop.
Chris Morejohn's 'Hogfish Maximus' is for sale. It's not everyone's cup of tea, for sure, but I think it would work well for your intended program.
This would be my first choice.
It was my first choice! But I'm a family of 1, not 4. She's a great boat for her size but they might want something larger.
@@chuckprichard3691 Gee, I would have never guessed.
Again, What a great review.
Can’t wait to see what you both decide on. Looking forward to seeing you both back out there. ❤️
I believe you all hit the nail on the head. It is almost. Nice boat I admit. I also at 6'3 would have Jordan's same concern, If you had a main cabin with office area I could give and take on the nav station. Like Desiree was saying on the protection of the Nav station with the stove area right there. Hmm. I see possible issues with that, like that sneak attack. That sail ability I also would not like to well as you Jordan. Keep looking, it will be the most important decision you make and both of you have laid out what you want in a boat and the experience you have, Well Its not the one. Desiree, did you know Jordan was giving me private lessons on what works and what don't? lol. Take care and keep shopping and have fun.
2004 49' Bavaria sailboat for sale in the virgin islands on St. John’s. It’s listed on face for $109,000 and has three cabins and three heads. By the way if you like having that further on your front sails then you would probably like having in mast furling because it gives you that same ease when you want to reef the sails.
PS no it’s not mine but if I was in the market right now and had the money it probably would be. it looks wonderful from what I’ve seen so far. of course I’d never buy it without first seeing it.
Comment regarding second head on Caliber 40. I know little about off shore sailing but I am the father of 4 so I know about children.
First, it would appear that child #1 will not arrive for a few months, let’s say 9 months and he/ she will not use a head until they are about 2 years old. That means you are almost three years from needing a second head.
When baby #2 arrives that adds another 2 years, so you are almost 5 years before you have 4 people using the head.
Little children do not use the washroom unattended so there will be some time after the five year mark before they are both using the head on their own.
Now a head is not usually big but on a 40 ft. boat it is a large amount of the space. That is what the sea berth and the nav station is too small.
I was raised with three sisters, a total of 7 people in a house with one washroom. It was sufficient.
The second head requires too much space and space is at a premium on a boat.
The location of the head during toilet training may be an important consideration because there is often not much warning between notice and delivery. Know what I’m saying?
So the head should probably be near the cockpit companionway.
Also, Desirae you don’t want to be changing a baby on a table that is above your shoulders. Not a good idea. Change time is one on one time, fun time, play time bonding time you need eye contact, At least I think it is important, but that was never my department.
Love your show. Have fun and be safe!
I'm really happy that the kickstarter went so well. These boat search videos have been fantastic, really well shot and some really great explanations of your thinking and why you rate the boats how you rate them.
I'm torn because I want you to find Atticus II, but I want to keep seeing you review boats. (Especially if you threw in some reviews of other UA-cam boats without showing the name or showing the crew/owners just to see if people recognize them.
So close! We love your rating system and the effort you're putting into your research. Hopefully the next one is the charm! Be safe out there!
Just food for thought, and if you can locate one, take a look at an Amel brand. It is made for the ocean and boast the fact that different compartments are water tight one from the other should something happen and you take on water. As far as I know, this is the only family/crusing sailboat that has this feature. I follow a cruising couple with a baby here on youtube and they sail an Amel. Good boats!
The one really big draw back for me with that boat, and I know the Calibers are nice boats, but no bridge deck is a huge big deal. For me I wouldn’t call that a blue water boat, whether it’s gone around the world or not. The other thing for me is no granny bars. You can’t count on the in mast furler not breaking down. I’m so stoked you guys are all over that too! The Shannon’s are very nice!