Do You Have A Dominant Horse?
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2020
- Ryan demonstrates some corrections for a mustang that has started to become spatially dominant.
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What kind of carrot stick are you using? My whip was a gift and too big. I can barely make it snap it’s so tall and the string is almost as big as the whip!
Hey, i tried this method but its very Hard without a roundpen. You got the second part with a halfter on? That would be very helpfull. Thanks for your afford you doin a great job!
Lol. The little circles he put himself in when he realized he wasn't pleased about being told to move off...it looked like he was having some sort of internal struggle, lol. Really fascinating to watch the back and forth communication.
Yeah a bit of a tantrum.
I have a mare who is stubborn as a mule. This worked like magic with her and she's finally moving. I love this so much! Lunging didn't work with her because she refused to move no matter what I did, and this really knocked her off her game lol she didn't know what happened. Thank you so much Ryan my husband was talking about getting rid of her. You saved my Star!
how is she now? :)
My mare is the same way she is such a brat cant wait to start this training with her
What a good story and outcome ,,well done ,,as theres a Big difference between listening ,looking and doing,,and its much harder to correct bad habits than train a fresh new one ,,so bravo , ,,and i hope you have a whole new chapter of horsey experience,,its one of the beauties of horses there is always more to learn ,,bravo to you🎵🐎♥️🐴
I want to say I have a Mustang your method fixed in 10 minutes it's amazing
Mules aren't 😣 they process much differently than a horse. They are less reactive... however stubborn is an incorrect term that's used in the wrong context.
Can’t believe anyone would dislike these videos. It takes a lot of guts to put yourself out there with horses that are sometimes very dangerous.
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Horses are usually dangerous due to the environments they have been placed in. Yes a horse will push another around but it's due to a resource that one wants! They don't do it just to establish "dominance" science has proven that it doesn't exist in tbe equine world.
@@mschuurm52
Interesting. I personally own a matriarch mare and am glad that she respects and loves me. Look up the articles Equus The Language Of Horses JSTOR. Very good article.
@angelaellenbaas that was an interesting article! I completely agree that we need to understand how horses communicate. I also think that horses don't view us as horses but rather predators. We also have scientific knowledge, skills and resources that gives us the ability to teach in ways that horses can't.
Horse's aren't really dangerous, they can just be stubborn. They don't know how big they really are and how strong they really are. If placed in some environment they can seem/be "dangerous" to some people.
This guy right here on UA-cam is BY FARR one of the most clear and direct trainers for horses. Iv seen a lot of crap w trainers on UA-cam n this guy really grew on me with his patients while working the horse
He's probably the best on UA-cam. He's so patient while he continues to educate. It's HARD to keep yourself safe, work with an animal and teach. He's EXTREMELY gifted. I wish he was in the Ohio area lol so he could do a clinic at our 4H summer horse camp😂
Agree.
If only more people knew exactly what it feels like to be in an enclosed space with a dominant horse with a mind of their own learning each others language. Most people don't understand the language of energy when it comes to intent of action either. Nice video thanks for sharing,
Thanks
The grey Shire mare on my channel was bought and totally terrorized the owner. She almost hit him over food aggression. Not only shes over 17hh and 2200lbs, shes a lead mare too and has been her whole life. She's an introvert dominant horse so unless you knew how to read a horse, you were in danger. The language of energy with her is a very fine line. Too little energy, she wouldnt respond, too much she would do the thing but seem 'hurt'. When I'd use juuust the right amount and speed of movement, she'd do as asked but ears stayed up and Id have even more of her attention instead of her leaving. I immediatly started being able to call her to me. (im still the only one that can do that)
Then as she saw I understood her, she opened up to me. She started asking things. Asking for rubs, asking for guidage about a cat in the food. If I refuse to help she immediatly take charge back and do it herself.
Now she shows sign of wanting to do more with me. She saw me clean the water bucket couple months ago. Now everyonce in a while, she'll come over and gently pick the water heater out of the tube and set it aside as I start draining the tub. And theres a LOT of such behaviors. To name a few she can tell an unknown enclosed trailer from an unknown horse trailer. If you play horse calling sounds on a phone, all the other horses comes to you, but she goes to watch the driveway where the trucks comes with the trailers. There's no fooling her. She will correct horses which try to disrespect or push me. I no longer think that Jim Key is a fairy tale!
I never thought Id ever go for a lead mare or a white horse. I thought lead mares were not for me (kinda like stallions) but she took all those thoughts, chewed them and spat them out. Im fascinated by her inteligence and her look also help.
@@Veikra I personally really enjoy mares, especially dominate mares. They take convincing, but once you get things to click, they are a different level of loyal than most horses, and they will always go to work for you. I have a personal belief/bias for mares with big ears, as I notice most mares with larger ears also tend to be the more dominant ones, perhaps its nature giving them the ability to hear things better and warn the rest of the herd/protect their foal, and in the end they are the ones I get along with really well from a training perspective.
Stallions can be great to work with, too, but they are different, and seeing as most people keep stallions solitary, they tend to be continually mouthy, playful, testing the limits, etc, that they naturally would with other horses. People think this needs domineering and its easy to turn them into something that is aggressive and dangerous, because when you push them too much they will generally be very obliged to push right back.
Impressing how Ryan stays calm so easily with this 4-legged stubborn toddler 😂
He’s so used to being the school yard bully, and now you’ve gone in there and said no. There are rules. There are expectations of appropriate behavior. Just like any other alpha horse. You gave him the new rules. Calmly, concisely, and clearly.
Would have loved to see a follow up video on this horse... With the next step.
I've never seen a horse have a tantrum before. Great video.
Thanks
Haha you haven met my little shit yet lol tantrum in his middle name have to ground work him every season before I get on or tantrum is in the saddle.
@@dustyjean9126SAME-
IMO this was not a tantrum, this was a teasing or enticing tactic. The horse was saying, "I'm not sure you are so tough, come out here and prove it, lets rumble."
I have a 17 yr old that was gelded just 4
Months ago- he danced around like that tonight and shook his head the same way - while I was doing this exercise- so glad you made this video
Talk about a fascinating piece of horsemanship ! "Owning the ground" is SUCH a pretty cool variation "moving the feet" concept, new to me but very very interesting !!! The piece at the end where the horse is trying to take the deal of touching your hand, but tempted to be defensive and come with his butt first, and how he goes about it almost laterally as a consequence of being totally undecided, that was just fascinating (and kudos for adapting to his body posture as fast and subtly as you did !).
I love this guy! The calm, assertive tone of his voice and the way he explains as he goes along. I wish he could come work with my mare!
I have a very dominant arabian stallion. I love him just the way he is. He's no longer aggressive with me now that he has learned to trust me. He will now do anything I ask of him and is very gentle with me although he's not so great with other people unless they are with me. This might very well be because I owned his space early on.
And you owned it in a very tactful respectful way.... That's why, Respectful the key word, horses respect, respect.... Especially Stallions
@@mattmishler2158 Respect is a human concept so I don't really use the term in relation to horses but most people do these days. 30 or 40 years ago and more it wasn't the popular term it is today. I'm not sure when people started using it. I guess my advanced age is showing;-)
@@mattmishler2158 And yes, I was tactful as well as kind and considerate but I don't allow him to remove me from my space. He's the one who has to give up space if I want it.
@@mattmishler2158 No you Own it because You are In Charge....We have no idea what horses actually "think" so how can we say they "respect" someone, when we do not know how or what they think?? We just have to see their reaction/s, and go from there...
Learning a lot from this. It's like watching a dance of him learning the steps. Thanks Ryan
This is so relatable, I did a similar exercise with my very dominant young mare before I started bringing her under the saddle. I asked her to back up. She tried everything, going around, going through me, rearing. Eventually she gave up and now she's the sweetest, most compliant thing ever. But oh boy, when I'm not around and she's handled by anyone else... She's not mean, but she'll just do whatever she feels like. Someone else besides me rode her for the first time last week and said that every time she asked her to do something, my mare's response was "make me!". Whereas I've worked with her so much by now (she was born in my care), I can almost communicate with her just by thinking
Thank you , tHIS IS VERY helpful to me. I have a little filly who was taken from her dam too early. She is constantly trying to push to be dominant. This vid. was a great help. She stood GREAT for the vet and farrier, and will for me also, but even the farrier could tell that she will probably be the dominant animal over the 3 year old gelding. My job is too teach her, that I AM the dominant one, without creating fear in her, and while creating trust. Thank you for this. Ive noticed with her, that she DOES understand exactly what is going on, and doesn’t hold it against me, when I have to get a bit more insistant than I would like. She is one smart cookie. I only hope that I’m smart enough to stay ahead of the game with her. She’s a beautiful animal, loves attention, but only 6 months old, and I am 58. I want to be sure I do right by her if I need to find a new home for her. Meaning, that she has the understanding and manners so that ANY owner will do well with her. I don’t want to see her in a kill pen again.
The pauses, let him think about this non aggressive human. Perfect.
Just wanted to say I appreciate your clear communication of what’s happening Ryan.
Great demo. It's amazing how subtle yet clear that 'dance' between horse and trainer is.
Not a rider, but I sure enjoy your videos, Ryan...the combination of your pleasant demeanor and insights/wisdom keeps me watching. Thank you.
Love your videos Ryan! So helpful and clear!
I enjoyed watching this video. There is an actual conversation going on, allowing the horse to figure out the human.
Beautiful horse with a wild soul! Great work speaking to him in such a way that he understands what is up.
Ryan Rose I believe your videos are absolutely priceless and fabulous.
Thank you 🙏
AMAZING video. This is EXACTLY what I do with dominant Mr. Speckles in the round pen, from watching your previous videos. Before lunging him, we have to start out establishing my space and he needs to understand that I am the leader in the round pen, so he doesn't totally dominate me. Also, starting slowly like this is a peaceful way to start the lunging. Otherwise, he goes from walk to bolting around the pen and that's when I get into trouble. I lose my space, my leadership, and it can be a little dangerous. This way, we start out calm. He doesn't get anxious and he knows what's coming next. He does turn his butt toward me and protest kick still, when lunging, and cuts the circle in half sometimes and I didn't know what to do about that, so this is a great video to show what to do when he turns his butt toward me. Thank you for the next level!!!
This video should be shown to everyone who wants to save a mustang. A feral horse's (especially a stallion's) life all about surviving and win. He tried push ryan no matter what. Because that he was doing all his life. Those bite and kick marks on his body shows he was a rough cookie in the wild.
We have a rescue that wasn't respecting my space or me. This process worked like magic. What was really great was Ryan explaining what the horse was thinking when it displayed certain behavior. My horse did exactly what this horse did including the occasional "testing the waters" of staring at me and then making the ever so slight move forward or away. I was prepared for both so I could react appropriately with pressure or release. Fantastic.
I love your videos! I stumbled on your videos searching for working with stubborn horses.
Fantastic lesson here! Fascinating to watch his (the horse) thought process. I like that he doesn't hide his emotions, I'd rather deal with that than a horse that is holding his emotions in check.
Another great video! A great display of the trust vs respect dance! Both are being taught at the same time. Great job again!
Thank you. It isn’t easy to put yourself where you are ,, brave determine and smart person !!!
Thank you 😊
Love your way of talking to this horse!
I started lunging my horse a few weeks ago ( she was a wild horse and i had to educate myself on almost everything) so i didnt really know how to lunge her. But she was doing quite well, but now whenever i have my lunge whip she runs towards me as if to run me over. I dont k ow what to do now. So yea. Im here on yt watching every video i can to help me and my horse
This really makes sense to me. I watch my older gelding do this to my younger filly. He doesn’t round pen her. He just every so often decides he wants the space she’s in and voilà! He does it when he first goes in and then reinforces it every so often.
Great to watch a real horseman.
Wonderful. I’m going to try this with my mare. I love it
Oh so my horse.. I did this with him today.. he’s gotten incredibly pushy and dominant on the ground so time to go back to foundation work
How did it go? Any improvement?
@@841577 major improvement.. he is also back in training with my trainer
Great video and lessons.
Thank you so much.
A lot of horselanguage here❤️
I have a Mustang who I was struggling with taming and started to get aggressive with me. This worked like a charm
Thank you! My 21yo gelding has gotten soooo dominant over me ever since I hadn't been able to work with him since I was pregnant and had my baby in June.
This process seems to be of great interest to the other animals we hear in the background.
I always have an audience of 3 or 4 horses watching what's going on with the horse in the pen with me 🤣🤣🤣
This is what they do in the wild. The dominant horse goes where he wants and the others step aside or face consequences.
Listening to Ryan's teaching, I can't help but think that he ought to also teach parents how to raise children. Everything he is saying about problem horses pertains--in spades--to spoiled, undisciplined children today, reared on self-esteem, self-love, and every other kind of self-whatever you can think of. Whose alpha in the families? The kids.
The key is insistant but fair, hoinest and consistent. Works on every critter known to man
@@HobbitHomes263 I used to raise and show Irish Setters back in the '70s. Watching the undisciplined behavior outside of the show ring of many of the dogs trained in "obedience," I came up with an axiom...one that offended some people: "If you're going to train the dog, you've got to be smarter than the dog." I think that too pertains to all critters known to man.
The problem isn’t the children, nor is it having children with high self-esteem, it’s the new generation of “iPad” parents. It’s laziness - a complete lack of desire to provide consistent reinforcement, instead looking for any tool to appease and keep their child “out of their hair.”
My mother raised us with a very healthy sense of self-esteem but she also made empathy, self-introspection, teamwork and persistence cornerstones of our childhood development. You don’t need to be the “alpha” to your children in the sense that they’re afraid of you, but you do need to model good behaviors and require that they perform them for long enough that it becomes an ingrained trait, just like any smart animal!
@@redmanish I agree. I simply set the evaluation of the problem at an earlier level by pointing to spoiled children instead of their deficient parents, which you point to. Regarding your point about modeling, I agree again. Last year our first great grandchild was born. At a family gathering, our grandson (the dad) asked for comments on how to raise healthy, happy kids. His dad gave a fairly lengthy response. I did the opposite. I said to our grandson: "What you want to see, model."
Thanks for your response. It is wisdom.
Good video on pressure and release.
I have had 2 miniature stallions come home doing this x100 one is worse than the other. (If you think minis aren’t as dangerous you are wrong, because they are so smol their low centre of gravity and overall tinyness comparatively means they move even faster). They were kind of a rescue situation (in the best care but had to move on and the owner had no option but to sell) I’m not accustomed to bad behaviour, all my horses have been bred and raised by me and my heard (full sized or minis) so it’s a shock to have to deal with a horse that has no manners. He’s an utter lunatic (rear, buck, kick, pacing) especially when you are outside his stall when you step in he quiets down plenty but he still will try to shoulder barge you and doesn’t stop screaming. I’ve been at it about 3 days laying down the law but everyday we seem to be starting like the last few days didn’t happen so I’ve been trawling UA-cam to see if I can find a different approach. I’ll be busting out my whip and flag which I haven’t had to use since training my last foal which was years ago now. Wish me luck.
Patience and consistency...something I need to work on
Wow, that was so interesting to observe the behaviour of that horse. Well done.
This guy is the best horse trainer ever!
Yeah, he is the best trainer if you want your horse to hate you and be afraid of you. I will never jump on his back being so angry as it is.
He wants to be near the other horse in the pen behind him. That is where he is comfortable.
That is a mare that he wants to be near. I own her.
@@bryankellenberger738 Makes sense. Mare gelding bonds are very deep and in my experience can be a bit more difficult for the rider/trainer when you wana separate them.
@@loredelore7286 and this horse was just recently gelded!
my mare is a very big bully and super pushy, ive done some ground work yesterday and it went great, today she kept refusing and tried rearing and bucking but i was persistent and kept trying till she gave in and did what i asked
Very nice Ryan.
Also Monty Roberts would do join up which is equine language before what Ryan Rose is doing to get the partnership cooperation part solid. This horse has a lot of energy and persistance.
Ryan’s teaching is so much more vital than any training for that high point award or whatever. This is awesome 💕
Just curious, it’s hard to tell in the video on my phone, but his tail looks like he’s very young. What is his age?
I had an Alpha Hanoverian gelding who was very bold, but we knocked heads occasionally throughout the years. He was a great loader, but one day decided to test me and stopped on the ramp, refusing to move into the trailer. I got my husband, handed him a long whip and told him to hit my horse really hard when he stopped on the ramp. It totally flabbergasted my horse and he popped into the trailer and never game me a bit of problem after that. Challenging but fun times with an Alpha. I was never able to put him into a pasture with any other new horses because he was a bully. He had his one buddy and that's all he would tolerate.
much love!!!!!!!
I would like to see the follow-up on this video. I believe this horse is Ryan biggest challenge.
That wasn't obvious to me that the horse was walking up to take your space at the beginning of the video. Can you comment on the difference between a horse walking up politely vs dominantly?
The reason I went into the round pen with this horse is because he was backing up kicking at the girl in the video when she would approach him. Then when I was in there I could feel his energy and see that his ears were pinning back as he came towards me sometimes.
@@ryanrosehorsemanship Thank you!
This will help me with one of my thoroughbreds that has a dominant attitude.
Great 👍
My arabian stallion is a dominant horse but I've worked with him for awhile so he's very cooperative.
Do you have a video of working a dominant horse like this on a lead?
Love your videos.Where are you located?
Thankyou 🥰
Love the video. My daughter is having some problems with her horse. She doesn’t want to listen well.
This is very interesting.
I have a 2yr old filly that is very rude, pushy and dominate about my space when I come in to the pasture with her.
I carry my stick for safety but was at a bit of a loss on how to correct her behavior, I would like to be able to walk thru a pasture without a stick and not worry about if someone is over having to warn them about her.
So glad you're looking for help on this. Her behavior obviously needs to be corrected now, before she gets any older :)
This was very interesting. Is there a follow up to this one? Gorgeous colt.
He is so smart ❤️❤️
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The defiant head toss.
Great video
Thanks
What if you dont have ring to practice for ground? Would it be ok to just have him in circles with a rope on?
Great...do you offer the halter stage by video? I'd like to see that also, please.
Same question here!
Ok question. Can i do this qithout a round pen?? I dont have access to one. Just a huge arena and pastures
I kinda had to giggle. Have I had a dominant horse? Let me count the number. I am going to watch your videos. Because you can always learn more.
I do wonder. Is he doing it because he's comfortable and seeing if he can push his boundaries and move the human? Or is he doing it because he's not comfortable being touched and there were more subtle signs to be read before he did that? Like no more blinking, change in breathing, slight raise of the head, etc.
The reason I'm wondering this is because he didn't walk towards her, ears pinned, turning his hind end like ''hey move!''. She got into his space, reached out and petted him before he turned his hind end.
(I can't say much though because the part where he girl demonstrated was so short and had very little context.)
Proper Horseman
Great video, thanks. Are those scars on that horse?
What about dominant lead mares who have space battling issues (with or without food resource guarding kicks) towards other horses? Horses are about establishing rank and leadership and can fatally injure other horses.
Good stuf Brother!
I want to try this but what should i do if he tries to buck me? Like i will be trappen in a round pen.
good stuff...
hi ryan i have a 21 year old thoroughbred mare whos been been throw a bit with previous owners not careing i think at one stage she wouldnt walk now we have her were we are working her in an arena she getting very up and about now rearing in her paddick snorting at me wen working her stomping her foot somtime and when shes in her paddick and other horses are going by she gets excited runs around rearing and stuff spooking othere horses she does need her teeth done do you have any oppinion on her
How do you get the horse to let you walk up and work or ride them?
I have a miniature mare that is unbelieveably dominate. Her kicking and biting is out of control shes 7 years old i can clearly tell we were lied to on her training and personality. Im not ready to give up but I also cannot let her continue with her behavior towards everyone. Shes well heared by many. She is being seperated from everyone horse wise ad well because she will not back down from the two alphas in the herd and injuries are occuring... praying this helps
Who's getting injured?
I have a 12 Y/O 14.2 hand QH gelding, I have had him for 2-3 years now. He has always been pushy, spooky and just crazy in a way, like he does not tie, he is awful with his feet and he spooks at like everything, but he is pretty good to ride. Recently he has become aggressive toward me in his pasture, like he has been sitting for the winter, but when I went to go say hi to him yesterday he lunged at me while trying to bite, so what happened was I went out there, I gave him some pets, then he pinned his ears at me so I gave him a little smack, that made him mad so he jumped at me and tried to bite. So I jumped the fence and he also tried to kick me. I am gonna deal with him today by lunging him for 8 hours straight. With using your method
Did it work ?
8hours? Hope u were joking
You can see his intent with the tension in the face and mouth.
Very interesting. Liked and subscribed. Is he over due for hoof trim?
Cynthia Marston, I would say Yes! Those feet must be uncomfortable.
This a mustang that we picked up from a holding pen just 4days earlier.
@@ryanrosehorsemanship figured was good reason. Probably should have kept my comment out
@@cynthiamarston2208 questions/comments are always welcome 👍
Have a gelding who has dominance issues towards my newer gelding. He doesn’t listen to me when I tell him to “knock it off” and definitely tries to assert dominance when I go to feed. Would you recommend me doing this with him to help him understand that he is not going to be the boss?
Yeah might help
I know basically nothing about horses, let alone how to train them. While watching this vid with amusement, I can’t help but think that how much of this can be applied to dealing with young people who want to be the alpha in the house.
My young horse thinks he is dominate until I am in his pasture or leading him. But his rank is lower than my other horse. We are working on a learned behavior that another horse had taught him. Mostly kicking which he knows that when he kicks out at me I am gonna make him move his feet. He still tries his stuff with other people 🙄 because the other people I explain to them they need to push him back and redirect him.
God Job, you understand horses. I dont know much people who really are horsemen. Most people just have a horse, but dont understand horses. So they got problems with em ... If you think and talk like human to a horse, it will never work. Most people dont know to talk in natural horse language.
What tactics if he charged boldly into your space? And won't everyone that works with him have to go thru this with him?
That is what my horse dose
I have a new to me mini. I did give her too many treats. She was very well mannered when we got her in October but now mouthy and pushy. Sometimes spins around with her rear to me. If I use techniques to get her out of my space & show her my dominance.....will she still come to us on her own? Since she is a mini, we want her to be a 'pet' so want to brush her , lead, etc. How do I tell her she CAN come into my space?
When this horse flips his head around, what is he communicating? My husband and I have a horse that does that. Is it a dominance thing?
Hahah his pbbbbt at 8:16 seemed kinda personal 😂
hard to tell form here but if that is a goivernment freeze brand... different deal than a barn raised foal
Give him some respect as well
Notice that all this horse's scars are on his left side. Many horses are left eyed to they may yield their HQs around to their right but that is only ONLY to put you in their left eye. Not every release of the hind is a "yield" it can be a tactical military move to put "the enemy" on the left.
Is it a good idea for a child with a dominant horse to have a whip for establishing space?
So where is part II ?