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About bucking, haha. As I mentioned below, I grew up with Paso Finos through a neighbor across the road from where I lived. He had a little stallion that he did endurance racing and team pentathalons (10 different events) on. We're out in a rural area and there are a LOT of dogs, because there's no leash law out in the county. Most dogs are content to bark and run to the edge of the yard, and that's the end of it. But this one guy didn't appreciate the horses riding (as was our right) on the edges of the road, and he'd open the door and send his big shepherd cross charging down. That dog meant business, and would--and at one point DID--bite the heels of one of my neighbors younger horses-in-training. Of course, the dog disappeared when the police were called. So, my neighbor did a little work with his stallion and me on my Ara-Appaloosa and him on that little stallion went riding down that road one afternoon. First, my neighbor told me to hang back a bit and let him handle things, so I held Horse back and let him run on ahead of me at a corto (medium) gait. That dog came charging out and made a bee-line for my neighbor's horse. He reached back, touched the horse on the back end gently with his palm and the horse kicked out so fast it almost wasn't visible, without breaking his gait in the slightest, and sent that dog flying back to the house hollering its head off. From that day on, try as he might, the man couldn't get the dog to leave the front porch when we'd pass. But yeah, he could touch the horse on his rump and he'd kick out to that side and never break his stride from fino, the slowest gait, up to largo, the fastest. If you weren't watching, you'd miss it, it was that fast.
@@skaarlet1449 99% of the time, it's not the animal, rather the owner of the animal. Your story proves that point, since the owner continued to leave the dog out, but the dog proved he was smarter than the owner by staying on the porch. Maybe someone needs to kick that owner to knock some sense in him. LOL
@@audreygregis8721 Yes, it is the owners that are the problem. A crazy neighbor one street over used to send his pit bull after horses that rode by. A teenager whose horse I boarded was half a length ahead of me when that dog looked like it was going to lunge at her horse's throat. There had just been an incident where a pack of pit bulls had taken a horse and rider down. My horse and I dove between her and the dog and I caught it in the neck with a western boot. The dog dropped and went back in the yard. The neighbor yelled about me kicking his dog. And I said don't command your dog to attack horses and we won't bother it. Then I added better that I kick the dog than my horse kick or stomp it. My horses didn't have a problem with any dog EXCEPT that dog because this wasn't a one-time occurrence. Riding horses in neighborhoods and on roads where people don't understand them is a risky thing. Another time a kid's horse that was really solid reared up when guys stood up in the back of a pickup truck hooting and hollering at it. Fortunately, the horse was barefoot so it didn't slip. And the child riding it remembered what I taught about what to do if a horse rears. People can be truly ignorant if not downright evil. The first thing I teach every person new to riding is what to do if a horse rears or it runs off. Even the best kid's horse will spook at something sometime.
It was this horses ear positions I found interesting. I did not see one time where both ears came forward, especially towards the trainer when she was facing him. They seemed almost pinned back, and not necessarily listening behind. I read that as defensive as well, seems she needs to build some respect and trust of humans.
I agree. She is greener than she should be with four months of training. She learns quickly. I think she’s worth the effort, but she belongs with an experienced owner.
This beautiful little girl is a diamond in the rough, and could be a fine partner with the right person. I think she is definitely worth putting the time and money into training her, with a sensitivity to her temperament. She has a lovely personality and seems cautiously willing to work with you, especially considering she has no history with you. Thanks for another fun video.
Ryan, the groundwork you did with this mare was awesome! Most folks don’t put even that much into a horse before they are trying to ride them. The horse the whole time has their attention on you and that’s a huge bonus. This little horse will make a great horse for someone who likes to ride that type of horse, they aren’t wired to be dull by any means - they are quick. Perfect for the right person but, a wreck for the wrong person. Thanks for sharing this video. I saw great strides in a short amount of time!
Also, i like the assessment you did of her. I went to a World Class Paso barn last fall. Rode their stallions (who were hot but, once mounted did absolutely everything perfectly especially stop) and an awesome mare. Paso’s are wired differently than many horse breeds and aren’t understood by a whole lot of people, especially those who ride the more dull breeds. We recently had horse conversations on one of my facebook groups and one colt starter said he started lots of paso’s over the years. The one thing he loved about them is he felt they were the most sure footed horse he’s ever ridden and this makes them great for Mountain Riding. They aren’t necessarily a good horse to rope cattle off of due to their size.
@@rooirand100 Pasos are fantastic trail horses in mountains especially. They're like goats lol. No most are not big enough to rope a steer and stop it, but they can sure sort cows! Most Pasos aren't good at bucking, but they can drop a shoulder and turn quick enough to sling you off.
She is so beautiful. I always wanted a Paso fino, but I’m not the right person for a horse like this. I hope she finds the right owner to give her a forever home. Someone with lots of experience and patience. I can see her eventually being a magnificent partner for such a person.
I'd love for you to keep us posted on her progress and if/when she finds her forever home with a rider/person that is best suited for her. I like her mind.
I’ve always wondered about those horses that huff each stride while cantering. Mine never did it but so often at show events I’d hear that. Learned something new!!! Sometimes my heart goes out to horses like this that everything is such a panic. I’m glad to hear she might have a future.
Breathing -- inhale and exhale -- at the canter / gallop is directly related to footfall and period of suspension. Different from breathing at walk and trot.
honestly the barn I rode at , this was so common that I never thought it was something wrong. Now I'm second guessing my riding experience and instructors . I think maybe it was us , or the owners. All of the horses did this. I am legitimately shocked and ashamed
My friends horse would always do this when cantering. We rode together nearly every day after school and I always wondered why he did this. You could hear him coming a mile off
Not really a horse person, but I find these videos to be fascinating. Such a calm, gentle, intuitive guy. Just a pleasure watching Ryan psycho-analyze these beautiful complex creatures.
Another great video. My 20 yo fox trotter has been like this her whole life. She has fractured my back and ankle. I don't ride her anymore as we just build on each other's anxiety. She is great on the ground and being around her. I finally went back to quarter horses. I "wasted" over 10 years trying to get her to relax. I even took her to a great trainer several times. He finally made me realize it was just the way she was always going to be. I still have her and always will. She is the sweetest thing on the ground. She is 14 hands and is the boss mare. Health problems, pain, etc... were not a factor in her behavior. I love her, but I can't trust her to ride.
You never know, there are so many "online trainer's" who are making me really sick and are torturing horses because they don't know better. And they don't have any respect for horses!! Having the odasity to call themselves trainer's because the rode 3 horses. I am sure you know what I mean?? Sadly the internet is full of these jerk's. This would be typical bc she is from a rescue station or her mother.
GREAT video! I've bred and rode Pasos for fifty years, and you have about as good an understanding of them as anyone I've come across. You're right, generally, they don't buck for $hit, but if you find one that can buck, you won't enjoy all their innate quickness! Been my experience, most "problem"Pasos are more likely to rear. My daughter trained her paso colts totally on her own, from age eleven.
I am not a horsey person and have never owned one but I found the video fascinating in how the relationship and trust between human and horse develops with training. The various training moves were excellent. Definitely will watch more
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I love the mutual respect between Ryan and the horse, knowing how much to push and when to back off. He recognized that it wasn't fair to add more pressure when she had reached her limit with the saddle. Kudos.
I loved how you have so much compassion for this horse and no rush to ride her, honouring the type of personality and worry she carries. Thank you. So many people get on without thinking about the degree of pressure that is for a horse.
I love how honest you are Ryan! I owned a Paseo Fino for about 10 years and I loved riding him, but I will say there were times he was a handful! But he also spoiled me for gaited horses! Love your videos and still enjoy learning (a lot) from your techniques! Im nearly 70 and have been a horse owner about 40 years... NEVER stop learning! Have a blessed day and stay safe!
I grew up with Paso Finos. This brings back so many memories. Fun fact: Paso Finos will gait within hours of birth, it's considered a mark of a pure blooded Paso Fino, in fact. I'll never forget any time my neighbor's mare Faceta had a foal, I'd be over there to see if it was gaiting yet or not (of course it always did, both it's parents were Pasos). Also, they're extremely sensitive behind their ears, at their poll. My neighbor said that's because the Spanish would (and he said they still did in modern times; this would have been back in the 1980's/1990's) whack them over or around the head as part of their training and it got ingrained in the breed. He never hit any of his and I can tell you putting a bridle or halter on any one of them was tricky business, even though he started them from a young age and trained them himself. Even combing their mane/forelock was difficult because they were always on the lookout for being hit. I certainly never hit one and if I, as a kid, moved the wrong way they'd break the lead rope they were tied with or fling backwards in the crossties to escape the incoming strike. I learned real fast to be careful around their heads.
IDK if it's standard but this one in the video seems incredibly sure footed, like she could take a million small steps with the front legs and just a few long ones with the back legs or any combo under the sun she felt like. You see some horses kind of buck a bit and then stumble but this one always looked totally stable even when panicky. And she could move those legs all around so fast, it was almost like a cartoon level amount of speed.
Well, this has me doing some deep thinking. I've had a mule for years that I was convinced was half Morgan. But I have to say his attitude and movement are so similar to this horse I have to wonder. Hmmmmmmmmmm He is not gaited but I don't think that would be abnormal for a mule to not pick up that trait.
Horses in general are super sensitive about the poll region, as just a species-wide trait. A young foal of any breed is likely to flip itself over backwards the first time it feels poll pressure if it isn't prepared properly for it. It's just hardwired into the entire species. The tendency to be extremely head-shy does seem to be breed-specific, though.
I've been rehabilitating a traumatized mare, 16hh Hanovarian deemed dangerous & unmanageable & put someone in hospital....She's also very sensitive, but she's intelligent & she's made some huge leaps (excuse the pun) in her progress....I found that hemp for horses has also really helped in calming her...she was also very claustrophobic & has huge separation anxiety & is terrified of storms! Quite an undertaking, but she's so worth it! 🥰
That was a good move with that Hemp. I wonder if this level of sensitivity is a mineral imbalance that forms the personality. Or hormonal inbalance. I have two mares that are very sensitive. Both have made good progress with some sedative minerals and raspberry leaf. I've watched some Paso Fino trainers and Boy! Their methods leave a lot to be desired. Like breaking them to saddle super young. Continued sucess with your girl!
When a horse is "dangerous", it is because it is resorting to it's instincts for survival. It is SCARED. If someone gets hurt, it is their own fault for not teaching the horse it never needs to freak out. I just worked with a TB that kicked the vet. He never even thought about kicking me.
@@dawnaustin4556 Maybe you can't a horse what they need to know, but you CAN teach them to think and figure out problems. If they are thinking, they don't resort to instincts that cause dangerous behaviors. A thinking horse is a safe horse no matter the breed or personality.
@@dawnaustin4556 Re-reading your comment, I realized what you said. The human is always the problem and seldom want to admit it, thus they don't learn what they need to know. That's why I like horses better. They are always willing to learn.
This is extremely helpful. I am training a 3 year old mare that has had very little handling and she reacts just like this mare. Thank you for showing the difficult stuff and how you work through it.
So glad you mentioned/ reminded us this is a gaited breed as I was starting to get distracted by how odd her front leg movements seemed to me just as you said “ she is a gaited horse so…”😊
So glad to hear someone acknowledging the inherent personality or disposition of a horse as individual from birth. I agree that we can improve on what is there, but it can't be "trained out" of them. A Paso Fino, and a young mare to boot, needs someone who will appreciate her sensitivity and spirit. She will be a lifelong joy for the right person. Gaited horses are another experience altogether, and for riders with back and neck pain issues, they are a godsend! She is lucky to have this evaluation from someone who can really "see" the potential horse within! Thanks for all your detailed narrative of your thinking process throughout.
I'd love to work with this little mare -- a shame she's so far away. I used to ride Pasos (including one that was very good at bucking) and they're amazing little horses. She needs time to gain trust in herself and her person. She'll be a project, but if she's listened to and respected, she'll turn out to be a great partner.
I can't afford a horse, but if I could Sunday would be the perfect horse for me. I used to reschool OTTBs. I had one that was as reactive to touch as Sunday who became a different horse after 1 massotherapy session. The following week, when the therapist entered the stall again, instead of charging at her with a swishing tail and pinned ears, she immediately moved into the middle of her stall, dropped her head, and fell asleep. Being so sensitive, she had to learn what touch was worrisome, and what touch was not. She was a challenge to my psyche, and amazing to love.
I worked with a few. They can all learn new ways. They are a product of their environment (bad feed, segregation, half trained). They don't choose to be freaks, that is just all they are taught. Given the chance, they will be great horses.
@@MaxNafeHorsemanship thanks for saying that! Yes, Pasos are forward types and sensitive. Most of the Pasos I see in rescue were "started" and I use the term loosely to be potential fino show horses. Not many can do it to win at shows, so they're discarded. Fino is the fast feet, little forward progress. What the discards have learned is to be hot and scared. Any light leg on them only means go. SMDH
@@tracyjohnson5023 Not sure I believe in "forward" breeds. I have a half Arab and a QH. Their personalities are opposite of the stereotypes. "Any leg means go" just means she is sensitive. A trait I like. The QH used to buck, and the Arab will take a nap.
Had 2 Arabians given to me cuz they were deemed crazy and dangerous and high energy, they were in their 20's, after a couple of months they were so calm and willing, the original owners could not believe how much they changed in such a short time! Respect, kindness and no mind games are the only way to get to the horse's heart!
It's interesting to see at 14.07 she is breathing hard enough that we can see her belly moving in & out . I admire your confident & considerate way of communicating with horses. I have loved them since I was a child but apart from weekly trail rides for a few years a long time ago, I haven't been around them much. I think I'm a little nervous around them now. Thanks for all the time & effort you put into your videos. Best wishes from Sydney Australia
Everything you say makes so much sense, simply put. So helpful in looking at the horses actions and reactions, and personalities as a part of how you train. Thank you
The Paso I work with can do the running around and rearing, but I have never seen her buck. When she spooks on the trail when a turkey bomb goes off, she bolts. Never ever bucked. I have a specialized Paso saddle for her that is much smaller than your saddle. It doesn't have a skirt either. Saddle fit is difficult with these tiny horses. There's more saddle than horse in this video!
I was actually holding my breath hoping Ryan wouldn't get on. Not until she was completely accepting of her saddle and pressure. Thank you Ryan for KNOWING the horses mind. Too many "trainers" seem unable to take the temperature in the roundpen.
Ryan you have had more success with her in the small amount of time you have worked with her today, then the four months of training that she had and they had no luck at all. She is a good horse and wants to learn it's really amazing how horses respond to your methods of training. I am so impressed and also happy for her owner she is a flashy Mare and has the potential to be a great horse. She likes you and is interested in what you want from her. It is so cool to watch you work I love the way you get the horse to relax by having them bend the rib cage in a circle and you always get that blow out of their nose, which proves it. I just love to watch you train.👍🏼🐎❤️
After watching a few videos by someone else recently, all I can say is... it's such a relief to watch this one and see a 'horse trainer' that doesn't loop the lead rope in circles around their hands or arms. I know it may be a small detail. But small details are important too. So is keeping fingers, hands and arms firmly attached to your body. Thank you!
I worked at a Paso barn for a short time, I didn't like the way they wanted the horses to work. Small, small circles on a line with heads cranked in. Just didn't like it. There is a bloodline of Paso that is very fractious. She looks just like that line. They don't settle very well, always on guard and ready. I hope you help her. You are the best thing for her.
She reminds me so much of my Paso, Diva. I bought her as a weanling because I wanted to experience training a horse from the ground up and also liked Pasos. I bought her in California but her dam came from Florida, pregnant with Diva. When it came time to saddle up, she was still her flighty, panicky self. I saddled her quite a few times without mounting. When that day came, I had an experienced horse woman securely at her head. I mounted and Diva tried her best to scoot out from under me but never had a chance to buck. She is now 19 and unrideable due to lameness, but she has been an awesome trail horse in the high Sierras where I live. Once mounted she was always "all business" with no flightyness, panic or even spook. I would love to have that little rescue mare!
I love this mare. She seems to have a bit of an anxious mindset, but she is adaptable. I think with consistency of training, she will be an awesome horse for someone.
A great transformation of Sunday within that short period. A beautiful demonstration how patience and understanding help! I would be glad to know how she is doing now.
Can you tell us about those three horses you thought weren’t trainable? It would make an interesting video to hear your experience. What kind of horses were they? Where did they come from and background? Thank you!
Great question. That would be very interesting. I can tell you I've seen horses that were born vicious. And all of them were Thoroughbreds of particular bloodlines known to have disposition issues. It is highly heritable. You can train them, but you can never trust them. After them, the next worse horse is either an orphan colt raised as a pet by a green owner or an abused horse. Both are made vicious by human error or evil. And those are just as dangerous unless they end up with owners they respect. A horse that does not respect you that also has a genetically bad disposition or has been abused is so dangerous it is unwise to keep it.
@@northernandyboy Yes, there are some horses that are mentally unstable, too. I knew someone who was gifted a previously valuable Arabian because it would randomly flip out in a manner dangerous to the rider.
I’ve found your videos pretty interesting and I’m amazed how much they relate to my current horse. He was a badly handed 3.5 year old (unbroken) who I actually decided I hated after our first few sessions. He was defensively aggressive and would rear right up for what seemed like no reason. Never ever thought I’d ride him, plan was to get him get him on a float and gone. 5 years later taken very slowly, trying to cover all my bases he became the safest and kindest horse I could have asked for. I’ve been thinking lately I might like to get another horse to break, so I’m pleased to find your channel😊
I gentle broke a Arabian foal but I was there the day he was born and always was a friend and companion since the day he was born. There was a lot of treats and affection and we retired him undefeated in long running races
She's definitely trainable IF the right person takes the time to work with her. I really like what you said about horses innate personality, that will likely always show through with her regardless of training level.
Jeez, poor thing she was flinching at every move you made, but she did make some progress. Really amazing watching the connection you make in such a short amount of time
I liked the fact that she never put you in danger or threatened you. I had a horse that was sensitive and would throw paddies. To the onlooker he looked dangerous but at no point did he want to get rid of me, his tantrum was all internalised causing him to build up stress that eventually he needed to release. My instructor explained that I was to not confront his behaviour directly but quietly keep asking for what I wanted from him and true enough he settled and did his job. He was a kind, loving horse who enjoyed have a close bond with his rider which he proved by hauling me back into my English saddle on at least two occasions rather than dropping his shoulder to help my exit..
Love the exercises you did with this beautiful girl. So glad you could help her. She is totally defensive and worried. No way she had 4 months "training", perhaps 4 days over 4 months...
Just because a horse has been in training doesn't mean it was the right training or makeany difference. A horsecan be in training for 2yrs yet still have the same issues when that time is up because of incorrect methods!
Ryan I agree with you about the gaited horses usually not being super buckers but I have a gaited mule that bucks like a bronc if she takes a notion. She's out of a Tennessee walker x Percheron and an American mammoth jackstock.
I have a Missouri Fox Trotter who if you saw her in the pasture/paddock you would not want to ride her! She rears and bucks. But is the sweetest horse when you handle her or ride her.
Yep. Paso Finos are known for their Brio. Wondering why anyone waited until she was 7 before putting her under saddle. Enjoyed seeing your work with her.
Yes have paint/,walker. Was training her things were going really well for 4 months, was out putting hrs on her at park trail riding. Were we had 2 aggresive dogs come at us trying to attack, owners were a cross street doing nothing. She was doing well, got her calmed down, was in the process of just getting of because i couldn't see where dogs were in weeds as i was getting off 2 dogs came after us again, i few off as she spun around to see dogs, the dogs kept coming after her she reared up and flipped over on saddle. I got up to get her only moved away from this space 30 feet. Ended up walking her back to trailer . People and there dogs disappeared back in house after incident. Called sheriff after i got home to turn them in. This was at state horse/people park all dogs must be leashed at this park. I was injured and couldn't ride for 3 months. Horse was injured from flipping on saddle. Happened in nov. Live in mn started retraining her in spring but had to do lots of ground work with her.
So Ryan, I have to ask; what we're they doing during the four months of training? How much time was spent and were they ignoring how sensitive a horse she is and not adapting their training program to her special needs? I've worked with lots of Arabians, American saddlebreds, thoroughbreds; I know all about the challenges of spirited horses. Really curious about this previous training.🤔
Just my two cents. I own a half Arab, rode a PB Arab, Fixed a bag of nerves Arab that would flip over on people and just worked with a few TBs (ex race horses). They can ALL be calm if they learn to be. It's up to the human. What the previous trainers did doesn't matter. You have to work with the horse in front of you today. You can't change the past anyway, you can just give the horse a better future. You hit the nail on the head near the beginning of your comment. They have to adapt to the horses needs. ALWAYS. There is no "one size fits all" training that works.
The previous trainer clearly didn't get very far. Whether that was from lack of actually training her or just not reading her correctly, we don't know. Many people can train quiet breeds like quarter horses and totally misread hotter horses like Thoroughbreds. I've seen trainers who QHs are model horses not realize they are pushing an individual horse reacting more like a TB too hard. One had the horse panicked, running in circles in a round pen until she collapsed in a heap. And another sent a horse right over the 5' round pen fence. You have to adjust your intensity to the horse's reaction. A broodmare came in one time wearing a drag rope. I insisted the halter and rope be removed. The owner said I'd never catch her again. And I replied I would train her to be caught. She was the most over-sensitive horse I've ever seen. And the way I caught her was by never looking at her -- backing up to her. If you even glanced at her, she'd bolt. I showed the owner how to do it so she didn't have to wear a halter and drag rope anymore. Thoroughbreds are odd in that if you cross them with a quarter horse, the offspring are almost always calmer like their quarter horse blood. And that seems to hold true in most of them even if they're 7/8ths thoroughbred. That could be because while TBs are often highly linebred, they are almost never as inbred as the original QHs were (and some still breed, Hancock breeders, for example). The QH seems to dominate, possibly due to all the inbred ancestors. When I crossed TB over QH, the offspring are more QH type. When I crossed QH over TB, the offspring are built more QH, but taller like a TB. In both cases, these 50/50 crosses are easier keepers with better feet and much calmer.
@@Growmap As I said in another comment, what the previous trainer did or didn't do doesn't matter. You deal with the horse in front of you. You can't change the past, just the future. Something you forgot to mention is how smart the TB can be. The OTTBs that I have worked with were not only sensitive, but smart as well. Give them a chance and they are great horses. On the subject of catching... I have seen halters left on "hard to catch" horses. Every time I see that it screams "lazy" or "stupid". The human either doesn't want to bother, or doesn't know how to teach them to accept the halter. I teach them to be caught and don't even need a lead or halter to catch them after a while.
I had a bay Galloway mare who was gaited. She didn’t ever buck but she’d pig root a lot when she had the western saddle on. She absolutely hated the feel back cinch (which was never too tight) An Australian stock saddle or show saddle she’d be fine. The mare in the video reminds me of her personality wise.
She is a handful, but I think she is well worth the time and effort it will take her to relax every time she is ridden it seems she will need groundwork first but like I said I love her already, as you have proved she is able to understand and she wants to please. I hope whoever owns her wants to put in the time it will take to meet her the wonderful horse that she can be for them and then she can enjoy her life with her owner 🙏🏼
Thank you for stressing the importance of being fair to the horse. A concept so many folks aren't aware of. The trust will never come with a horse who isn't being treated fairly.
I really enjoy your videos and your telling us the details on watching how a horse reacts to things. I've owned horses off and on for about 60 years, and haven't owned one for about 15 years and really miss them.. their spirits, friendship and loyalty are so awesome. And YES, would love to see you complete on The Road to the Horse!!! You asked this a few videos ago, and I forgot to comment. Yours ways are a little different that some of the other "well known" trainers, which I find I like, as they are less "standard and routine" and more personally refined for each horse you work with, and it would be great to see you compete!
I appreciate your comments on the different termperaments of horses. I'm working with a three-year-old colt who has a similar (though not as intense) personality as that Paso. Despite hours of ground training, and a little bit of walking under saddle, my colt is still easily worried. The flip side is that he's willing to do the right thing if he understands what's being asked, unless he's freaking out, which he does less of now since I've started accepting that he's simply a very sensitive horse. I also appreciate your point about not riding out the buck or any other errant behavior under saddle in order to give the horse a fair shot. Too many "trainers" want to show off their ability to hang and rattle while not considering or caring that the horse they're bucking out could very well wind up in the sale barn through no fault of its own.
Yes. It is always best to avoid teaching horses to have bad habits like bucking. Of dozens of horses I've raised and started, only one did not accept a saddle and rider willingly. She was so sensitive that I used a bitting rig and then a bareback pad and then an exercise saddle trying to get her used to something on her back. I knew she would spin and buck, so I hired an exercise rider who also rode bulls. Then I told him exactly what she would do: jump forward, spin right, then buck a couple of times. And I asked him to ask her for nothing -- just not come off. And that is what happened and once and she was over it. That is what she did the first time anything was changed. Because I wasn't sure I could stay on her or get on her without assistance (tall Thoroughbred mare), she is the only horse I've ever raised that I wasn't the first and sometimes almost only person to ever ride them. She also ran off with a jockey after a work where she had already backtracked at a trot 1/2 mile and then galloped a mile and a half and then worked 5/8ths. She wouldn't pull up and between the jockey and me on a pony horse together we couldn't pull her up. So we let her go and she galloped out almost a mile. I loved that mare, but she was a challenge. She would also only take a stallion for one day in a cycle. If you didn't breed her on that day, you weren't going to get it done. (Normally, mares accept the stallion at least 3-5 days and often longer.) She wouldn't let anyone else catch her. And I had to stare right into her eyes and tell her to stand up so I could catch her. Very dominant mare. I owned her dam, delivered and trained her, owned her all her life and still have her grandson who is 22 now.
@@liamrooney5314 Yes. She was special. The stakes winning racehorses and some top barrel horses are the ones like her. They only work for someone they respect. And they are never kid's horses no matter how long they live. That mare was always running in the pasture even in her 20s.
Every horse is trainable and normally you should start with a vet when she is from a rescue center. I hope you are doing this. Looks very good to me . Interesting bred these Paso's.
Living in Florida and raised around Pasos in PR 🇵🇷and considering the horse is in Florida by the look of it that’s the first time she’s worn a saddle with a back cinch. Most Pasos never experience a back cinch especially with culturally Hispanic horse training which is what most Pasos experience especially in Florida.
I rode a Paso Fino when I was a kid. It was the smoothest ride ever. She was at a slaughter auction in Spain because she got too old to perform in shows.
I've enjoyed your programs and ha e very limited horse experience as a youth. The value as I see it, is the education of lay folks in the work, cost, time and effort in volved in working with horses. Thanks for providing this info fo r the general public as well as those in this field.
Oh my I was just grinning from start to finish. We have 2 pasos both retired show horses and both 17. They are both still very sensitive but so super kind it’s not even funny. Always fast but both super broke but I am talking completely asking what do you want what ya want what ya want and we love love love them. I put my 6 year old granddaughter on our gelding and my 82 year old mom and they live him. But he is super nervous and responsive and a complete blast to ride. Paso finos are very sensitive. They need to do horse guru stuff with her he and his family are world class Paso trainers. She is definetly trainable and will make an awesome horse.
Wowza! That is quite a reactive, QUICK little mare! Quick to react, but i think she will be quick to learn too, altho she will be a long time to trust/gain faith.... It is a great injustice to any domesticated horse to NOT expose them to all sorts of situations while they are young, and their brains are very plastic/adaptable - they vessentially 'learn' the world around them CAN change and it is not the end of the world, as they know it! Gives them an innate confidence later in life facing new situations .....kudos to you for giving her her best chance.....
I have a Tennessee Walker and she bucks like nobody’s business when I let her loose. :) But she also has a massive attitude so I’ve been watching all your videos.
This mare, because she is so sensitive, could be ruined and become dangerous in the wrong hands. You wouldn't want her to have a meltdown and then go completely defensive. She probably is highly intelligent as well as being super sensitive. This horse needs "a Ryan" as a trainer... a person that sees that limits have been reached and you have to let them sleep on it and try again tomorrow. Baby steps. And she will never tolerate anyone that is not refined in their approach towards her.
I ended up with a paso like her. She needed to be given reasonable choices and time. And I learned that too much lunging got her excited, instead of calm, so adjusted accordingly.
I have a little QH just like this but no buck Speeds up when saddle on. I was riding her- her tendency was to bolt. I could feel it. After many many rides - she was rideable. Now after 2 yrs of not riding her due to injury etc -- she is back to square one! Very sensitive - Good video
Nice horse and like your style of horse training and for what I ben watch the way other train horses and in my opinion your way is the best way of training horses
I agree that it is not fair to get on her today as she has done a lot of good work and you are not the type to put too much pressure on a horse in one training session. I can't say enough about how impressed I am with your methods of training.
Wow I've learned tons .! Going to watch this again as there's just so many nuggets of knowledge in it. I hope she'll make it and finds the right person.
I’ve owned and trained Peruvian Pasos. I had one that was just like her, learned to bolt when mounting. His original trainer said he bucked so much when trained. He was trained by a Peruvian trainer and was always ready to bolt or buck. Not to many people could ride him, it was like riding on a tight rope that was ready to blow at any time. All the Peruvians I have ridden were very sensitive but loved to work.
Tried a Paso before I bought the mare I'm on, my back did not like the movement. Quarter horses, Arabs and Morgan's worked better for me. I was ground driving this mare's first filly her first year. Mom was Skipper W, very smart, very sensitive
I have a little gated pony who can buck pretty well too lol I’m not sure what breed she is but definitely is gated. This little girl reminds me a lot of my pony Ari especially in the way she moves and how speedy she is! So maybe my pony has some Paso in her too!
I agree she will need much more time and effort...no novice horse owners.. she's my kind of horse...I like investing time and effort... she'll be fine for the right person
She reminds me of my own little black Icelandic horse. Also very quick on her feet, a little hot. She calmed down nicely now, she's turning 13 this year. Most of the time she's over the top but she comes back to me easily so it's fine. Once you learn how they work those kind of horses are super fun.
Pasos are amazing. Less is more with them. Their sensitivity make it amazing to create art with them- great dance partners… they just take a lot of finesse to earn their trust. Rare for them to buck. Bolt, rear or spin is usually their thing.
I had a spotted saddle horse that bucked in place a LOT, but not when I rode him. I also did a lot of groundwork (Parelli) on him because he had unseated a lot of people. After quite a bit of groundwork, we were great partners for about 15 years, but still, in his pasture or corralled, he bucked a lot in place! 🤷🏼♀️
I start mostly gaited horses, and I can assure you that they can buck as well as many other breeds. Some of the worst bucks I've ever unintentionally ridden were out of some of these high-strung Tennessee Walking Horses.
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What about driving? Maybe she’s a cart
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About bucking, haha. As I mentioned below, I grew up with Paso Finos through a neighbor across the road from where I lived. He had a little stallion that he did endurance racing and team pentathalons (10 different events) on. We're out in a rural area and there are a LOT of dogs, because there's no leash law out in the county. Most dogs are content to bark and run to the edge of the yard, and that's the end of it. But this one guy didn't appreciate the horses riding (as was our right) on the edges of the road, and he'd open the door and send his big shepherd cross charging down. That dog meant business, and would--and at one point DID--bite the heels of one of my neighbors younger horses-in-training. Of course, the dog disappeared when the police were called. So, my neighbor did a little work with his stallion and me on my Ara-Appaloosa and him on that little stallion went riding down that road one afternoon. First, my neighbor told me to hang back a bit and let him handle things, so I held Horse back and let him run on ahead of me at a corto (medium) gait. That dog came charging out and made a bee-line for my neighbor's horse. He reached back, touched the horse on the back end gently with his palm and the horse kicked out so fast it almost wasn't visible, without breaking his gait in the slightest, and sent that dog flying back to the house hollering its head off. From that day on, try as he might, the man couldn't get the dog to leave the front porch when we'd pass.
But yeah, he could touch the horse on his rump and he'd kick out to that side and never break his stride from fino, the slowest gait, up to largo, the fastest. If you weren't watching, you'd miss it, it was that fast.
@@skaarlet1449 99% of the time, it's not the animal, rather the owner of the animal. Your story proves that point, since the owner continued to leave the dog out, but the dog proved he was smarter than the owner by staying on the porch. Maybe someone needs to kick that owner to knock some sense in him. LOL
@@audreygregis8721 Yes, it is the owners that are the problem. A crazy neighbor one street over used to send his pit bull after horses that rode by. A teenager whose horse I boarded was half a length ahead of me when that dog looked like it was going to lunge at her horse's throat.
There had just been an incident where a pack of pit bulls had taken a horse and rider down. My horse and I dove between her and the dog and I caught it in the neck with a western boot. The dog dropped and went back in the yard.
The neighbor yelled about me kicking his dog. And I said don't command your dog to attack horses and we won't bother it. Then I added better that I kick the dog than my horse kick or stomp it. My horses didn't have a problem with any dog EXCEPT that dog because this wasn't a one-time occurrence.
Riding horses in neighborhoods and on roads where people don't understand them is a risky thing. Another time a kid's horse that was really solid reared up when guys stood up in the back of a pickup truck hooting and hollering at it. Fortunately, the horse was barefoot so it didn't slip. And the child riding it remembered what I taught about what to do if a horse rears. People can be truly ignorant if not downright evil.
The first thing I teach every person new to riding is what to do if a horse rears or it runs off. Even the best kid's horse will spook at something sometime.
It was this horses ear positions I found interesting. I did not see one time where both ears came forward, especially towards the trainer when she was facing him. They seemed almost pinned back, and not necessarily listening behind. I read that as defensive as well, seems she needs to build some respect and trust of humans.
I think someone took quite a bit money for training and didn't do a lot. But you on the other hand have a solid work ethic. My money is on you.
Some horses have to be brought along slower yet can come together really amazing in the end- IF the time is taken.
I agree. She is greener than she should be with four months of training. She learns quickly. I think she’s worth the effort, but she belongs with an experienced owner.
“Horses have an innate personality or disposition, and training can only change that by about 20%”. Gold. Thanks Ryan.
Wouldn't that depend on the quality of training?
"It's not a fair thing"...so beautiful.
This beautiful little girl is a diamond in the rough, and could be a fine partner with the right person. I think she is definitely worth putting the time and money into training her, with a sensitivity to her temperament. She has a lovely personality and seems cautiously willing to work with you, especially considering she has no history with you. Thanks for another fun video.
I couldn’t agree more .
I have a similar horse. Taking it slow and creating a trusting partnership with respect goes a long way .
Paso Finos are special horses. They need a special owner who will appreciate all they are.
@@Sorraiamustang That's a good point, some horses chill out a lot once they gain trust with someone and trust takes time.
Ryan, the groundwork you did with this mare was awesome! Most folks don’t put even that much into a horse before they are trying to ride them. The horse the whole time has their attention on you and that’s a huge bonus. This little horse will make a great horse for someone who likes to ride that type of horse, they aren’t wired to be dull by any means - they are quick. Perfect for the right person but, a wreck for the wrong person. Thanks for sharing this video. I saw great strides in a short amount of time!
Thanks!
Also, i like the assessment you did of her. I went to a World Class Paso barn last fall. Rode their stallions (who were hot but, once mounted did absolutely everything perfectly especially stop) and an awesome mare. Paso’s are wired differently than many horse breeds and aren’t understood by a whole lot of people, especially those who ride the more dull breeds. We recently had horse conversations on one of my facebook groups and one colt starter said he started lots of paso’s over the years. The one thing he loved about them is he felt they were the most sure footed horse he’s ever ridden and this makes them great for Mountain Riding. They aren’t necessarily a good horse to rope cattle off of due to their size.
@@rooirand100 Pasos are fantastic trail horses in mountains especially. They're like goats lol.
No most are not big enough to rope a steer and stop it, but they can sure sort cows!
Most Pasos aren't good at bucking, but they can drop a shoulder and turn quick enough to sling you off.
She is so beautiful. I always wanted a Paso fino, but I’m not the right person for a horse like this. I hope she finds the right owner to give her a forever home. Someone with lots of experience and patience. I can see her eventually being a magnificent partner for such a person.
Paso's have a lot of Brio.
This little mare is so lucky to cross paths with you, Ryan! Hope you'll share her progress with us! A big thanks!
I'd love for you to keep us posted on her progress and if/when she finds her forever home with a rider/person that is best suited for her. I like her mind.
I’ve always wondered about those horses that huff each stride while cantering. Mine never did it but so often at show events I’d hear that. Learned something new!!!
Sometimes my heart goes out to horses like this that everything is such a panic. I’m glad to hear she might have a future.
Breathing -- inhale and exhale -- at the canter / gallop is directly related to footfall and period of suspension.
Different from breathing at walk and trot.
honestly the barn I rode at , this was so common that I never thought it was something wrong. Now I'm second guessing my riding experience and instructors . I think maybe it was us , or the owners. All of the horses did this. I am legitimately shocked and ashamed
My friends horse would always do this when cantering. We rode together nearly every day after school and I always wondered why he did this. You could hear him coming a mile off
Not really a horse person, but I find these videos to be fascinating. Such a calm, gentle, intuitive guy. Just a pleasure watching Ryan psycho-analyze these beautiful complex creatures.
Another great video. My 20 yo fox trotter has been like this her whole life. She has fractured my back and ankle. I don't ride her anymore as we just build on each other's anxiety. She is great on the ground and being around her. I finally went back to quarter horses. I "wasted" over 10 years trying to get her to relax. I even took her to a great trainer several times. He finally made me realize it was just the way she was always going to be. I still have her and always will. She is the sweetest thing on the ground. She is 14 hands and is the boss mare. Health problems, pain, etc... were not a factor in her behavior. I love her, but I can't trust her to ride.
Thank you for being a responsible horse owner!
I’d love to know the program she went through for 4 months. That’s an insane amount of time for her to still be that unbroke.
You never know, there are so many "online trainer's" who are making me really sick and are torturing horses because they don't know better. And they don't have any respect for horses!! Having the odasity to call themselves trainer's because the rode 3 horses. I am sure you know what I mean?? Sadly the internet is full of these jerk's. This would be typical bc she is from a rescue station or her mother.
@@horse-lover68 The audacity of you spelling it wrong
@@oldageisdumb E is my 3rd language so Sorry but we can write in German or French if you are able to do so???
@@horse-lover68 I think you missed my joke 😜
@@oldageisdumb and this is why Europeans consider Americans rude.
GREAT video! I've bred and rode Pasos for fifty years, and you have about as good an understanding of them as anyone I've come across. You're right, generally, they don't buck for $hit, but if you find one that can buck, you won't enjoy all their innate quickness! Been my experience, most "problem"Pasos are more likely to rear. My daughter trained her paso colts totally on her own, from age eleven.
Right? Pasos usually aren't good buckers, really a crow hop lol. I've found where they get you is that quick dropped shoulder turn around 😂
Or a bolt. Pasos are hypersensitive. Slow and steady is the way.
I worked cattle on pasos for years it was more comfortable riding for five or eight hours on them
@@bethalvarez6956 right? In Colombia they used to use Pasos for everything that's what was available. Not sure about now.
I am not a horsey person and have never owned one but I found the video fascinating in how the relationship and trust between human and horse develops with training. The various training moves were excellent. Definitely will watch more
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I love the mutual respect between Ryan and the horse, knowing how much to push and when to back off. He recognized that it wasn't fair to add more pressure when she had reached her limit with the saddle. Kudos.
I loved how you have so much compassion for this horse and no rush to ride her, honouring the type of personality and worry she carries. Thank you. So many people get on without thinking about the degree of pressure that is for a horse.
I love how honest you are Ryan! I owned a Paseo Fino for about 10 years and I loved riding him, but I will say there were times he was a handful! But he also spoiled me for gaited horses! Love your videos and still enjoy learning (a lot) from your techniques! Im nearly 70 and have been a horse owner about 40 years... NEVER stop learning! Have a blessed day and stay safe!
I grew up with Paso Finos. This brings back so many memories. Fun fact: Paso Finos will gait within hours of birth, it's considered a mark of a pure blooded Paso Fino, in fact. I'll never forget any time my neighbor's mare Faceta had a foal, I'd be over there to see if it was gaiting yet or not (of course it always did, both it's parents were Pasos).
Also, they're extremely sensitive behind their ears, at their poll. My neighbor said that's because the Spanish would (and he said they still did in modern times; this would have been back in the 1980's/1990's) whack them over or around the head as part of their training and it got ingrained in the breed. He never hit any of his and I can tell you putting a bridle or halter on any one of them was tricky business, even though he started them from a young age and trained them himself. Even combing their mane/forelock was difficult because they were always on the lookout for being hit. I certainly never hit one and if I, as a kid, moved the wrong way they'd break the lead rope they were tied with or fling backwards in the crossties to escape the incoming strike. I learned real fast to be careful around their heads.
That's horrible and abusive. Terrible idea to be hard handed on an already explosive breed probably due to inbreeding.
IDK if it's standard but this one in the video seems incredibly sure footed, like she could take a million small steps with the front legs and just a few long ones with the back legs or any combo under the sun she felt like. You see some horses kind of buck a bit and then stumble but this one always looked totally stable even when panicky. And she could move those legs all around so fast, it was almost like a cartoon level amount of speed.
Well, this has me doing some deep thinking. I've had a mule for years that I was convinced was half Morgan. But I have to say his attitude and movement are so similar to this horse I have to wonder. Hmmmmmmmmmm He is not gaited but I don't think that would be abnormal for a mule to not pick up that trait.
Horses in general are super sensitive about the poll region, as just a species-wide trait. A young foal of any breed is likely to flip itself over backwards the first time it feels poll pressure if it isn't prepared properly for it. It's just hardwired into the entire species. The tendency to be extremely head-shy does seem to be breed-specific, though.
I am so grateful for your patience and fairness with these horses.
I've been rehabilitating a traumatized mare, 16hh Hanovarian deemed dangerous & unmanageable & put someone in hospital....She's also very sensitive, but she's intelligent & she's made some huge leaps (excuse the pun) in her progress....I found that hemp for horses has also really helped in calming her...she was also very claustrophobic & has huge separation anxiety & is terrified of storms! Quite an undertaking, but she's so worth it! 🥰
That was a good move with that Hemp. I wonder if this level of sensitivity is a mineral imbalance that forms the personality. Or hormonal inbalance. I have two mares that are very sensitive. Both have made good progress with some sedative minerals and raspberry leaf. I've watched some Paso Fino trainers and Boy! Their methods leave a lot to be desired. Like breaking them to saddle super young.
Continued sucess with your girl!
When a horse is "dangerous", it is because it is resorting to it's instincts for survival. It is SCARED. If someone gets hurt, it is their own fault for not teaching the horse it never needs to freak out. I just worked with a TB that kicked the vet. He never even thought about kicking me.
@@MaxNafeHorsemanship people cant teach a horse what they dont know themselves. However, you're correct.
Most behaviour comes from fear.
@@dawnaustin4556 Maybe you can't a horse what they need to know, but you CAN teach them to think and figure out problems. If they are thinking, they don't resort to instincts that cause dangerous behaviors. A thinking horse is a safe horse no matter the breed or personality.
@@dawnaustin4556 Re-reading your comment, I realized what you said. The human is always the problem and seldom want to admit it, thus they don't learn what they need to know. That's why I like horses better. They are always willing to learn.
This is extremely helpful. I am training a 3 year old mare that has had very little handling and she reacts just like this mare. Thank you for showing the difficult stuff and how you work through it.
So glad you mentioned/ reminded us this is a gaited breed as I was starting to get distracted by how odd her front leg movements seemed to me just as you said “ she is a gaited horse so…”😊
Ryan, you really explain things so well.
You very calmly communicate with these horses and give them a wonderful foundation. Bravo.
Would love to see the progress on this mare. Thanks so much for showing us this video, you have such a lovely way with horses 😊
So glad to hear someone acknowledging the inherent personality or disposition of a horse as individual from birth. I agree that we can improve on what is there, but it can't be "trained out" of them. A Paso Fino, and a young mare to boot, needs someone who will appreciate her sensitivity and spirit. She will be a lifelong joy for the right person. Gaited horses are another experience altogether, and for riders with back and neck pain issues, they are a godsend! She is lucky to have this evaluation from someone who can really "see" the potential horse within! Thanks for all your detailed narrative of your thinking process throughout.
I'd love to work with this little mare -- a shame she's so far away. I used to ride Pasos (including one that was very good at bucking) and they're amazing little horses. She needs time to gain trust in herself and her person. She'll be a project, but if she's listened to and respected, she'll turn out to be a great partner.
What a gorgeous mare. I hope she has success in her training.
You put a lot on her in this session and
she responded very well, in my opinion. There is a lot of “try” in this horse, I think.
It was interesting watching her ears. They are mostly back and not often focused on him.
I can't afford a horse, but if I could Sunday would be the perfect horse for me. I used to reschool OTTBs. I had one that was as reactive to touch as Sunday who became a different horse after 1 massotherapy session. The following week, when the therapist entered the stall again, instead of charging at her with a swishing tail and pinned ears, she immediately moved into the middle of her stall, dropped her head, and fell asleep. Being so sensitive, she had to learn what touch was worrisome, and what touch was not. She was a challenge to my psyche, and amazing to love.
I worked with a few. They can all learn new ways. They are a product of their environment (bad feed, segregation, half trained). They don't choose to be freaks, that is just all they are taught. Given the chance, they will be great horses.
@@MaxNafeHorsemanship thanks for saying that! Yes, Pasos are forward types and sensitive. Most of the Pasos I see in rescue were "started" and I use the term loosely to be potential fino show horses. Not many can do it to win at shows, so they're discarded.
Fino is the fast feet, little forward progress. What the discards have learned is to be hot and scared. Any light leg on them only means go. SMDH
@@tracyjohnson5023 Not sure I believe in "forward" breeds. I have a half Arab and a QH. Their personalities are opposite of the stereotypes. "Any leg means go" just means she is sensitive. A trait I like. The QH used to buck, and the Arab will take a nap.
Had 2 Arabians given to me cuz they were deemed crazy and dangerous and high energy, they were in their 20's, after a couple of months they were so calm and willing, the original owners could not believe how much they changed in such a short time! Respect, kindness and no mind games are the only way to get to the horse's heart!
It's interesting to see at 14.07 she is breathing hard enough that we can see her belly moving in & out . I admire your confident & considerate way of communicating with horses. I have loved them since I was a child but apart from weekly trail rides for a few years a long time ago, I haven't been around them much. I think I'm a little nervous around them now. Thanks for all the time & effort you put into your videos. Best wishes from Sydney Australia
Everything you say makes so much sense, simply put. So helpful in looking at the horses actions and reactions, and personalities as a part of how you train. Thank you
The Paso I work with can do the running around and rearing, but I have never seen her buck. When she spooks on the trail when a turkey bomb goes off, she bolts. Never ever bucked. I have a specialized Paso saddle for her that is much smaller than your saddle. It doesn't have a skirt either. Saddle fit is difficult with these tiny horses. There's more saddle than horse in this video!
I was actually holding my breath hoping Ryan wouldn't get on.
Not until she was completely accepting of her saddle and pressure.
Thank you Ryan for KNOWING the horses mind.
Too many "trainers" seem unable to take the temperature in the roundpen.
Ryan you have had more success with her in the small amount of time you have worked with her today, then the four months of training that she had and they had no luck at all. She is a good horse and wants to learn it's really amazing how horses respond to your methods of training. I am so impressed and also happy for her owner she is a flashy Mare and has the potential to be a great horse. She likes you and is interested in what you want from her. It is so cool to watch you work I love the way you get the horse to relax by having them bend the rib cage in a circle and you always get that blow out of their nose, which proves it. I just love to watch you train.👍🏼🐎❤️
I cant help but think of this book i have, called "THINK LIKE A HORSE" every time Ryan says he lets the horse think. Love this channel..
After watching a few videos by someone else recently, all I can say is... it's such a relief to watch this one and see a 'horse trainer' that doesn't loop the lead rope in circles around their hands or arms. I know it may be a small detail. But small details are important too. So is keeping fingers, hands and arms firmly attached to your body. Thank you!
It’s true
This beautiful mare will turn into an absolutely fun riding partner. I lover her movements and quickness and her sensitivity. Gorgeous horse!!
I worked at a Paso barn for a short time, I didn't like the way they wanted the horses to work. Small, small circles on a line with heads cranked in. Just didn't like it. There is a bloodline of Paso that is very fractious. She looks just like that line. They don't settle very well, always on guard and ready. I hope you help her. You are the best thing for her.
She reminds me so much of my Paso, Diva. I bought her as a weanling because I wanted to experience training a horse from the ground up and also liked Pasos. I bought her in California but her dam came from Florida, pregnant with Diva. When it came time to saddle up, she was still her flighty, panicky self. I saddled her quite a few times without mounting. When that day came, I had an experienced horse woman securely at her head. I mounted and Diva tried her best to scoot out from under me but never had a chance to buck. She is now 19 and unrideable due to lameness, but she has been an awesome trail horse in the high Sierras where I live. Once mounted she was always "all business" with no flightyness, panic or even spook. I would love to have that little rescue mare!
I love this mare. She seems to have a bit of an anxious mindset, but she is adaptable. I think with consistency of training, she will be an awesome horse for someone.
A great transformation of Sunday within that short period. A beautiful demonstration how patience and understanding help! I would be glad to know how she is doing now.
Start over from the beginning. Finish each step before moving forward.
I'd love to hear more about what decisions the rescue takes, and what happens to her.
Can you tell us about those three horses you thought weren’t trainable? It would make an interesting video to hear your experience. What kind of horses were they? Where did they come from and background? Thank you!
Great question. That would be very interesting. I can tell you I've seen horses that were born vicious. And all of them were Thoroughbreds of particular bloodlines known to have disposition issues. It is highly heritable. You can train them, but you can never trust them. After them, the next worse horse is either an orphan colt raised as a pet by a green owner or an abused horse. Both are made vicious by human error or evil. And those are just as dangerous unless they end up with owners they respect. A horse that does not respect you that also has a genetically bad disposition or has been abused is so dangerous it is unwise to keep it.
The human race has plenty of mentally unstable specimens and my guess is those horses fitted the same bill.
@@northernandyboy Yes, there are some horses that are mentally unstable, too. I knew someone who was gifted a previously valuable Arabian because it would randomly flip out in a manner dangerous to the rider.
I’ve found your videos pretty interesting and I’m amazed how much they relate to my current horse. He was a badly handed 3.5 year old (unbroken) who I actually decided I hated after our first few sessions. He was defensively aggressive and would rear right up for what seemed like no reason. Never ever thought I’d ride him, plan was to get him get him on a float and gone. 5 years later taken very slowly, trying to cover all my bases he became the safest and kindest horse I could have asked for. I’ve been thinking lately I might like to get another horse to break, so I’m pleased to find your channel😊
I gentle broke a Arabian foal but I was there the day he was born and always was a friend and companion since the day he was born. There was a lot of treats and affection and we retired him undefeated in long running races
"I don't think I've met a lazy Paso before." You need to meet my grey mare lol
She's definitely trainable IF the right person takes the time to work with her. I really like what you said about horses innate personality, that will likely always show through with her regardless of training level.
Ryan you have a lot of class the way you deal with horses, especially “problem” horses.
Jeez, poor thing she was flinching at every move you made, but she did make some progress. Really amazing watching the connection you make in such a short amount of time
I liked the fact that she never put you in danger or threatened you. I had a horse that was sensitive and would throw paddies. To the onlooker he looked dangerous but at no point did he want to get rid of me, his tantrum was all internalised causing him to build up stress that eventually he needed to release. My instructor explained that I was to not confront his behaviour directly but quietly keep asking for what I wanted from him and true enough he settled and did his job. He was a kind, loving horse who enjoyed have a close bond with his rider which he proved by hauling me back into my English saddle on at least two occasions rather than dropping his shoulder to help my exit..
Love the exercises you did with this beautiful girl. So glad you could help her. She is totally defensive and worried. No way she had 4 months "training", perhaps 4 days over 4 months...
Just because a horse has been in training doesn't mean it was the right training or makeany difference.
A horsecan be in training for 2yrs yet still have the same issues when that time is up because of incorrect methods!
Ryan I agree with you about the gaited horses usually not being super buckers but I have a gaited mule that bucks like a bronc if she takes a notion. She's out of a Tennessee walker x Percheron and an American mammoth jackstock.
Wow! That’s quite a critter!
Yes, fascinating combinations you have there! Enjoy working with her:)
I have a Missouri Fox Trotter who if you saw her in the pasture/paddock you would not want to ride her! She rears and bucks. But is the sweetest horse when you handle her or ride her.
Such a cute Paso!
she seems very intelligent! i think once she has her "person" who she knows she can trust to lead her right, she'll be an amazing partner
Yep. Paso Finos are known for their Brio. Wondering why anyone waited until she was 7 before putting her under saddle. Enjoyed seeing your work with her.
Yep that may make it a little trickier cos the start up time on one this hot goes so slow.
I wondered why they waited so long too when he said she was at the rescue all those years.
Yes have paint/,walker. Was training her things were going really well for 4 months, was out putting hrs on her at park trail riding. Were we had 2 aggresive dogs come at us trying to attack, owners were a cross street doing nothing. She was doing well, got her calmed down, was in the process of just getting of because i couldn't see where dogs were in weeds as i was getting off 2 dogs came after us again, i few off as she spun around to see dogs, the dogs kept coming after her she reared up and flipped over on saddle. I got up to get her only moved away from this space 30 feet. Ended up walking her back to trailer . People and there dogs disappeared back in house after incident. Called sheriff after i got home to turn them in. This was at state horse/people park all dogs must be leashed at this park.
I was injured and couldn't ride for 3 months. Horse was injured from flipping on saddle. Happened in nov. Live in mn started retraining her in spring but had to do lots of ground work with her.
So Ryan, I have to ask; what we're they doing during the four months of training? How much time was spent and were they ignoring how sensitive a horse she is and not adapting their training program to her special needs? I've worked with lots of Arabians, American saddlebreds, thoroughbreds; I know all about the challenges of spirited horses. Really curious about this previous training.🤔
Just my two cents. I own a half Arab, rode a PB Arab, Fixed a bag of nerves Arab that would flip over on people and just worked with a few TBs (ex race horses). They can ALL be calm if they learn to be. It's up to the human. What the previous trainers did doesn't matter. You have to work with the horse in front of you today. You can't change the past anyway, you can just give the horse a better future. You hit the nail on the head near the beginning of your comment. They have to adapt to the horses needs. ALWAYS. There is no "one size fits all" training that works.
The previous trainer clearly didn't get very far. Whether that was from lack of actually training her or just not reading her correctly, we don't know. Many people can train quiet breeds like quarter horses and totally misread hotter horses like Thoroughbreds.
I've seen trainers who QHs are model horses not realize they are pushing an individual horse reacting more like a TB too hard. One had the horse panicked, running in circles in a round pen until she collapsed in a heap. And another sent a horse right over the 5' round pen fence. You have to adjust your intensity to the horse's reaction.
A broodmare came in one time wearing a drag rope. I insisted the halter and rope be removed. The owner said I'd never catch her again. And I replied I would train her to be caught. She was the most over-sensitive horse I've ever seen. And the way I caught her was by never looking at her -- backing up to her. If you even glanced at her, she'd bolt. I showed the owner how to do it so she didn't have to wear a halter and drag rope anymore.
Thoroughbreds are odd in that if you cross them with a quarter horse, the offspring are almost always calmer like their quarter horse blood. And that seems to hold true in most of them even if they're 7/8ths thoroughbred.
That could be because while TBs are often highly linebred, they are almost never as inbred as the original QHs were (and some still breed, Hancock breeders, for example). The QH seems to dominate, possibly due to all the inbred ancestors.
When I crossed TB over QH, the offspring are more QH type. When I crossed QH over TB, the offspring are built more QH, but taller like a TB. In both cases, these 50/50 crosses are easier keepers with better feet and much calmer.
@@Growmap As I said in another comment, what the previous trainer did or didn't do doesn't matter. You deal with the horse in front of you. You can't change the past, just the future. Something you forgot to mention is how smart the TB can be. The OTTBs that I have worked with were not only sensitive, but smart as well. Give them a chance and they are great horses. On the subject of catching... I have seen halters left on "hard to catch" horses. Every time I see that it screams "lazy" or "stupid". The human either doesn't want to bother, or doesn't know how to teach them to accept the halter. I teach them to be caught and don't even need a lead or halter to catch them after a while.
I had a bay Galloway mare who was gaited. She didn’t ever buck but she’d pig root a lot when she had the western saddle on. She absolutely hated the feel back cinch (which was never too tight) An Australian stock saddle or show saddle she’d be fine. The mare in the video reminds me of her personality wise.
She is a handful, but I think she is well worth the time and effort it will take her to relax every time she is ridden it seems she will need groundwork first but like I said I love her already, as you have proved she is able to understand and she wants to please. I hope whoever owns her wants to put in the time it will take to meet her the wonderful horse that she can be for them and then she can enjoy her life with her owner 🙏🏼
Thank you for stressing the importance of being fair to the horse. A concept so many folks aren't aware of. The trust will never come with a horse who isn't being treated fairly.
It becomes a sixth sense when you feel like they're gonna blow! Hahaha he wasn't wrong.
I really enjoy your videos and your telling us the details on watching how a horse reacts to things. I've owned horses off and on for about 60 years, and haven't owned one for about 15 years and really miss them.. their spirits, friendship and loyalty are so awesome. And YES, would love to see you complete on The Road to the Horse!!! You asked this a few videos ago, and I forgot to comment. Yours ways are a little different that some of the other "well known" trainers, which I find I like, as they are less "standard and routine" and more personally refined for each horse you work with, and it would be great to see you compete!
I appreciate your comments on the different termperaments of horses. I'm working with a three-year-old colt who has a similar (though not as intense) personality as that Paso. Despite hours of ground training, and a little bit of walking under saddle, my colt is still easily worried. The flip side is that he's willing to do the right thing if he understands what's being asked, unless he's freaking out, which he does less of now since I've started accepting that he's simply a very sensitive horse. I also appreciate your point about not riding out the buck or any other errant behavior under saddle in order to give the horse a fair shot. Too many "trainers" want to show off their ability to hang and rattle while not considering or caring that the horse they're bucking out could very well wind up in the sale barn through no fault of its own.
Yes. It is always best to avoid teaching horses to have bad habits like bucking. Of dozens of horses I've raised and started, only one did not accept a saddle and rider willingly. She was so sensitive that I used a bitting rig and then a bareback pad and then an exercise saddle trying to get her used to something on her back. I knew she would spin and buck, so I hired an exercise rider who also rode bulls.
Then I told him exactly what she would do: jump forward, spin right, then buck a couple of times. And I asked him to ask her for nothing -- just not come off. And that is what happened and once and she was over it.
That is what she did the first time anything was changed. Because I wasn't sure I could stay on her or get on her without assistance (tall Thoroughbred mare), she is the only horse I've ever raised that I wasn't the first and sometimes almost only person to ever ride them.
She also ran off with a jockey after a work where she had already backtracked at a trot 1/2 mile and then galloped a mile and a half and then worked 5/8ths. She wouldn't pull up and between the jockey and me on a pony horse together we couldn't pull her up. So we let her go and she galloped out almost a mile.
I loved that mare, but she was a challenge. She would also only take a stallion for one day in a cycle. If you didn't breed her on that day, you weren't going to get it done. (Normally, mares accept the stallion at least 3-5 days and often longer.) She wouldn't let anyone else catch her. And I had to stare right into her eyes and tell her to stand up so I could catch her. Very dominant mare.
I owned her dam, delivered and trained her, owned her all her life and still have her grandson who is 22 now.
@@Growmap She sounds like a challenge but must have been worth it. There are some horses that really make us step up our game. Makes life interesting.
@@liamrooney5314 Yes. She was special. The stakes winning racehorses and some top barrel horses are the ones like her. They only work for someone they respect. And they are never kid's horses no matter how long they live. That mare was always running in the pasture even in her 20s.
Every horse is trainable and normally you should start with a vet when she is from a rescue center. I hope you are doing this.
Looks very good to me . Interesting bred these Paso's.
Very helpful video, Mr. Rose. Thank you.
Living in Florida and raised around Pasos in PR 🇵🇷and considering the horse is in Florida by the look of it that’s the first time she’s worn a saddle with a back cinch. Most Pasos never experience a back cinch especially with culturally Hispanic horse training which is what most Pasos experience especially in Florida.
I rode a Paso Fino when I was a kid. It was the smoothest ride ever. She was at a slaughter auction in Spain because she got too old to perform in shows.
I've enjoyed your programs and ha e very limited horse experience as a youth. The value as I see it, is the education of lay folks in the work, cost, time and effort in volved in working with horses. Thanks for providing this info fo r the general public as well as those in this field.
Oh my I was just grinning from start to finish. We have 2 pasos both retired show horses and both 17. They are both still very sensitive but so super kind it’s not even funny. Always fast but both super broke but I am talking completely asking what do you want what ya want what ya want and we love love love them. I put my 6 year old granddaughter on our gelding and my 82 year old mom and they live him. But he is super nervous and responsive and a complete blast to ride. Paso finos are very sensitive. They need to do horse guru stuff with her he and his family are world class Paso trainers. She is definetly trainable and will make an awesome horse.
Wowza! That is quite a reactive, QUICK little mare!
Quick to react, but i think she will be quick to learn too, altho she will be a long time to trust/gain faith....
It is a great injustice to any domesticated horse to NOT expose them to all sorts of situations while they are young, and their brains are very plastic/adaptable - they vessentially 'learn' the world around them CAN change and it is not the end of the world, as they know it! Gives them an innate confidence later in life facing new situations
.....kudos to you for giving her her best chance.....
I have a Tennessee Walker and she bucks like nobody’s business when I let her loose. :) But she also has a massive attitude so I’ve been watching all your videos.
I am blown away about your knowledge of horses!
This mare, because she is so sensitive, could be ruined and become dangerous in the wrong hands. You wouldn't want her to have a meltdown and then go completely defensive. She probably is highly intelligent as well as being super sensitive. This horse needs "a Ryan" as a trainer... a person that sees that limits have been reached and you have to let them sleep on it and try again tomorrow. Baby steps. And she will never tolerate anyone that is not refined in their approach towards her.
I ended up with a paso like her. She needed to be given reasonable choices and time. And I learned that too much lunging got her excited, instead of calm, so adjusted accordingly.
I have a little QH just like this but no buck Speeds up when saddle on. I was riding her- her tendency was to bolt. I could feel it. After many many rides - she was rideable. Now after 2 yrs of not riding her due to injury etc -- she is back to square one! Very sensitive - Good video
Nice horse and like your style of horse training and for what I ben watch the way other train horses and in my opinion your way is the best way of training horses
Another priceless gem of a video. This is going to save wrecks. Once again.
I agree that it is not fair to get on her today as she has done a lot of good work and you are not the type to put too much pressure on a horse in one training session. I can't say enough about how impressed I am with your methods of training.
The juice worth the squeeze!!😅😅😅
Wow I've learned tons .! Going to watch this again as there's just so many nuggets of knowledge in it.
I hope she'll make it and finds the right person.
What a lovely little girl. Hope she gets the training and rider she needs! You are such a good teacher, Ryan! 🤠🐎
I’ve owned and trained Peruvian Pasos. I had one that was just like her, learned to bolt when mounting. His original trainer said he bucked so much when trained. He was trained by a Peruvian trainer and was always ready to bolt or buck. Not to many people could ride him, it was like riding on a tight rope that was ready to blow at any time. All the Peruvians I have ridden were very sensitive but loved to work.
Tried a Paso before I bought the mare I'm on, my back did not like the movement. Quarter horses, Arabs and Morgan's worked better for me. I was ground driving this mare's first filly her first year. Mom was Skipper W, very smart, very sensitive
I have a little gated pony who can buck pretty well too lol I’m not sure what breed she is but definitely is gated. This little girl reminds me a lot of my pony Ari especially in the way she moves and how speedy she is! So maybe my pony has some Paso in her too!
"Gaited" -- NOT "gated." Horses have "gaits" -- fenced yards have "gates."
I agree she will need much more time and effort...no novice horse owners.. she's my kind of horse...I like investing time and effort... she'll be fine for the right person
She reminds me of my own little black Icelandic horse. Also very quick on her feet, a little hot. She calmed down nicely now, she's turning 13 this year. Most of the time she's over the top but she comes back to me easily so it's fine. Once you learn how they work those kind of horses are super fun.
And to answer your question, I've never seen my horse buck, not even in pasture, she's just running xD
Wow. Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Aww, she wants to like you and trust you, but she's so nervous.
Pasos are amazing. Less is more with them. Their sensitivity make it amazing to create art with them- great dance partners… they just take a lot of finesse to earn their trust.
Rare for them to buck. Bolt, rear or spin is usually their thing.
I had a spotted saddle horse that bucked in place a LOT, but not when I rode him. I also did a lot of groundwork (Parelli) on him because he had unseated a lot of people. After quite a bit of groundwork, we were great partners for about 15 years, but still, in his pasture or corralled, he bucked a lot in place! 🤷🏼♀️
A lot of wise words were spoken! 🤠 thank you for that 🤗
Love that you gave it a little more time.
I deeply appreciate a training philosophy that cares about being fair to the horse. It seems so rare these days.
It's what good horsemen do. They listen to the horse and let it tell them what it needs.
I start mostly gaited horses, and I can assure you that they can buck as well as many other breeds. Some of the worst bucks I've ever unintentionally ridden were out of some of these high-strung Tennessee Walking Horses.
My god a lot of work. That’s right Love watching you wish I had a horse. There so much to learn with each individual horse.
7:56 How did you read that from her? What's cues did she give that told you she was gunna be bucking around?
Best thing about a Paso is that they're not good buckers. Yes, this mare jumps around some, but does not have the bucking power of a quarter horse.