AfterMaster Audio Labs Tour with Shelly Yakus - Warren Huart: Produce Like a Pro
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2017
- Learn more about Shelly Yakus here: bit.ly/2jtJT10
Shelly Yakus is one of the greatest recording and mixing engineers of all time. Not only that, but he is also a dear friend, and one of the nicest guys you'll meet.
Shelly has earned the name “Golden Ears”, because of his expertise in recording studio design, acoustics and audio processing.
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Had the pleasure to meet Shelly - total sweetheart
Always a great day when I get to talk music with my friend Shelly Yakus! I have to pinch myself that I can call Shelly, one of the greatest Engineers and humblest guys my friend. Please enjoy this video! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing many thanks Warren
Thanks Warren and Shelly amazing video
Thxs Warren, sent some songs to Matt McQueen awaiting your feedback, obrigado !
Thanks ever so much Darlene!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Wonderful! We will see what Shelly chooses! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
yeah its like literally a sacred honour isnt it ! what a beautifal gentle psirit he is. : ) looking forward to mixing something recorded there majorly !! : D will be a massive privilidge !! : D
I have watched this numerous times, including the day it was posted. This vid is timeless. Thank you ever so much Warren and Shelly.
I love how the audio changes as you’re walking from room to room.
Warren, I can't believe this video is 5 years old and this is my first time seeing it! But I'm glad I finally noticed it and watched it. It's excellent!!! Shelly Yakus is incredible!!! I'm also glad you mentioned the L. A. Recording School which, as is Sunset Sound, is right across the street from Crossroads of the World. The history of Crossroads of the World is amazing! I worked at LARS and the former Los Angeles Recording Workshop on Lankershim (just down the street from NRG) in North Hollywood for 14 1/2 years as their tour guide, then later their facilities manager and studio drummer for classes. I thought you were going to say workshop for a second there but you did say LARS. LOL. I was in the lobby of the school the day Eddie Kramer visited and when he walked out of the elevator I was so awestruck I didn't know what to say! I was at a total loss for words! LOL. I retired from LARS in 2015 and moved back to Florida to help my sister take care of ailing parents. Anyway, that is one beautiful SSL console there and the history of it is fascinating!!! Love your videos, Warren!!! Keep up the great work in keeping all of us studio/recording fanatics in the know!!!
Nice! Shelly Yakus! He mixed a record for my old band- but that was in Somerset NJ. I wish we had been at this place, jeez.
Pretty sure my vocal went through that H3000 in his rack. He was awesome. During playback he would cross his arms, close his eyes and bob his head, 100% in his own world and didn't give a eff! Dude truly loves music. We weren't worthy lol!
I agree Paul! Shelly is amazing! Glad you were able to work with him!
I find the subject of the first conversation so interesting.
When I was young, all that was available to listen to was my parents music, my dad was a musician and music lover, so we had lots of it.
I was only allowed to listen to cassette tapes on my own, but sometimes my parents would put on their records. It was all from early 60s to the late 80s.
The only real exposure I had to current music at the time was through television and radio, which I had little control over, until about 6 -7 years old, unless my parents were in the room, they would still dictate what was watched and listened to. The first CD I owned was from a local band that played a show at the church we went to. A few months later I found a copy of Nirvana's Unplugged in New York, lying in a ditch, scratched to absolute smithereens. I took it home, wiped off the dirt with a damp paper towel and popped it in my family's computer, low and behold, it played. I still have it till this day and I still remember the goosebumps I got the first time I listened to it.
After a few years more of listening to my parent's music, which had become almost solely the two local Christian radio stations, I learned about hip hop. Because at night, one of the more local Christian stations would play Christian hip hop, r&b as well as rock and alternative. Of course my mom was cool with me listening to the artists that were played on that station, like Grits or KJ-52, but like most parents, she wasn't cool with her 12 year old kid listening to the likes of 50 Cent, Snoop, or N.W.A.
So between my parent's view of my interest in hip hop and other people's comments on my behaviour and taste in music/style, I decided to show more interest in punk.
As soon as I showed an interest in punk, my dad started schooling me in music. He asked me if I knew how it all started in 77 and why it started, how things went from being Beatlemania and disco, to Anarchy in the U.K, to New wave and I made the connection from New wave, to Hardcore, Grunge and Techno. And at that time I decided I was going to play music every day and make records, for the rest of my life.
A few more years go by, I learned about Robert Johnson and Django Reinhardt, as well as a wealth of other information through Guitar World magazine. And in the last few years, I've finally learned (because of you and many other documentaries) who inspired the artists that everyone else looks up to. And ironically, one of those artists was right in front of me the whole time.
On the Nirvana unplugged album I found, they play a cover of
"Where did you Sleep Last Night?"
by Led Belly and Kurt talks about Led Belly's estate auctioning off his guitar.
I had heard maybe two anecdotes concerning Led Belly around the time I decided to persue music, but now I know how deeply connected everything is. It's really intense to follow the evolution of modern music.
Another great video Warren! I could listen to you and Shelley talk all day.
Hi Trevor, what an amazing comment! I really appreciate your insight, it mirrors my experience as well!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I had a similar thing happen to me, Kurt had a line in "Pennyroyal Tea" that says "Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld". I was such a fanboy (like many others in the early 90s) that I ended up going and trying to find out more about Leonard Cohen. So glad I did. It's funny, I used to work for an older guy that is a friend of mine. He was in a band when he was young that almost made it in the big time. He got beat out at the label by America and their song "Horse with no name". (He was kind of really bitter because of this, and I can't blame him, I might be too) They even opened for Pink Floyd and some other big acts so I really looked up to him and his musical tastes but he always thought that Kurt was a hack, so we would always argue over it. I was young so my angle would be like, well he made music that everyone loved and pretty much changed or was part of the change that changed radio when I was growing up. He would always argue that just because something is popular doesn't make it great (which couldn't be more true and painfully obvious sometimes lately) This was before we had people like Rick Beato breaking down the melodic vocal lines that Kurt was doing and how those simple 5 chords on the guitar allowed for more creative melodies to be placed over top of them because it didn't lock in the exact key. I think he just thought that the power Chords made it crappy punk music and stupid simple, but the complexity came in the Vocal melodies. Which I and a lot of people love. I mean listen to how string groups go back and redo some of Nirvanas songs. It makes for beautiful string arrangements because of the melodic complexity of the vocal lines. Even some of his vocal harmonies (which I didn't even really "hear" at the time) are all part of it and are all awesome. Really it wouldn't sound the same without some of those harmonies and what's crazy is that I bet he was probably just doing most of that instinctively. Also, if they would have auto tuned him, it probably would have destroyed it on more than one level. But he had his own influences that made his ear be able to naturally write and sing those melodies. Ironically my friend's name was also Kurt.
When Shelly talks, we all listen. Thanks, Warren.
Very true Malcolm! Shelly is the man! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
These are my favorite vids where Warren has a chill conversation and then goes over the gear in the room. :D
That's why we've had the birth of so many different genres. When rock became a mock-up of itself, people started to branch out into indie rock, progressive rock, and all kinds of different stuff we've seen over the past decade. It happened earlier than that, but we had a boom of this stuff after the 90s. When you go back to the 70s, rock becoming diluted and overly complicated is why the Ramones were inspired to take rock back to its roots. Bare bones bearing your soul in 2 minutes or less, and being REAL in front of the microphone, which is something I think we've had a severe lack of in today's pop music. You'll notice that the REAL performances are what people remember and wanna listen to years down the line. I'm talkin "I feel it coming", "somebody that I used to know", "we don't talk anymore" etc. All of these are modern pop with SOUL, and that's what gets remembered
I️ can listen to Shelly talk for hours. You need to do a “stories from the studio” with guys like Shelly. His story on the dire straights record is so good. Sideburns are looking proper too.
Yes, Shelly Rocks!! I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
🎶 Between your 3 Shelly videos, there’s an absolute gold mine of insights for us home recordists! Thanks 🎶
That guy Gary Myerberg: super cool person. In the first years of my career I did an album at Cello. He happened to be walking by & came into the room and complimented the sound of the kick drum. He is a very positive person and was very encouraging. He also fixed a D19 I had that was humming. He’s the real deal monster tech/studio cat !!!
The first time I heard about the vocal effect Whole Lotta Love middle section, it was rumored to be print-through.... guess not then!
Wonderful to see Shelly's new studio. Looks like a dream place. Thank you Warren, and thank you Shelly for your generosity.
holy shit, can't even begin to express how much im looking forward to watch you guys record a band!
Shelly always has great conceptual contribution that gets you thinking about what is really valuable to focus on at a higher level beyond the frequencies and such..... I just can't thank Warren and Shelly enough for letting us hang out and hear these conversations. It's like sitting down with friends and learning so much through their technical knowledge and the very entertaining war stories from the past. Soooo great guys, thanks ever so much!
my partners and i almost bought this console back when snl sold it. i didn't not realize it went to quad and then to johnny k and then to shelly. very cool. we ended up buying a 4056 from the estate of falco. a buddy of mine still owns that falco console and uses it to this day in his studio.
Shelly is the reason I got into music in the first place. I'm not old enough to remember his heyday, but his podcast got me into learning the craft, great video!
Wonderful!! Yes, Shelly is THE man! So humble and talented! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Thank you Warren! I LOVE Shelly Yakus! Not only is he extremely talented but he seems like a wonderful person.
He truly is a wonderful person!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Love Shelly's anecdotes, always something to learn from them.
HI Nathan, I know! Amazing stories! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Shelly is a national treasure !!
Hi Darlene! Yes he is! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Darlene Sheffield I couldn't agree more.
man really love these shelly ones....you guys this was great to watch thank you
Thanks ever so much! Yes, Shelly rules!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
wow... Shelly is a hero of mine.. will definitely be watching the videos of those sessions..
these are so great. shelly is a treasure. a wealth of knowledge and a lovely guy. so cool to hear these stories. thanks for giving some attention to so many amazing people in the field of music production and engineering.
Warren, thank you very much for this video. You make great things available to us. God bless you!
Thanks ever so much Sergio!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Those RME Fireface units are actually what your buddy Glenn Fricker uses as his input units in his studio. He swears by them. Loved this video. Thanks again Warren.
That's great Will!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Warren is like the uncle I never had! Love ya bro!
Aw shucks! Thanks ever so much! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I could hear these sort of stories all day long... A++++
Hi JAFO-PTY aw shucks thanks very much! Shelly rules!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing many thanks Warren
He's a living legend!
He certainly is!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Amazing! Thanks Warren and Shelly :D
Thanks very much Arthur! Agreed, Shelly is a truly humble and amazing guy! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I started using Clear packing tape across the console and a dry erase marker to label. Now no need to rip tape off! Works wonderfully!
Great tip Nik! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I mostly agree that not enough people follow the rabbit hole of who influenced who influenced who... but! I have met a number of exciting young musicians recently who are mining for the gold in the caves of rock history and it’s so exciting to see the excitement and marvel on their faces that I felt when I was young and discovering this music for the first time. They are out there!
I use to love reading the credits while listening to a new album!
Such a heartwarming duo, full of humor and in depth knowledge...Yeah!!! :) Everytime I see a studio with (drum-)gear, I feel like a kid at Christmas....I love this!! *passion-overload*.....
Thanks ever so much Jeroen! I see you play drums? Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Hi Warren, thanks man!! Yes, I play & teach drums as a profession since 2002, people could recognise me for my work with EPICA 2002 till 2006 maybe (please, kick my ego out of the door,hahahaha)... I,m thinking about to give myself a present for 2018 in the form of a year PLAP academy, its well thought out and I love passionate people in any job they do, so I hope to share and learn from others the best I can...Cheers to you and all the people related to PLAP..!!!
It would be amazing to have you in the Academy Jeroen! I love your comments! You would be a huge asset to have in there, it's amazing bunch of guys and girls, it's very supportive, there are no egos in there! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Hi Warren, I feel grateful man and I,m looking forward to join the club!!....You are so right about sharing and growing a healthy club of people doing what they love, with love you create more, no doubt about it...Karma....Great job Warren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love Shelly and Gary is great, too - keeping the dream alive!!
Agreed, Shelly rules and Gary is a great guy! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Am i the only one who thoroughly enjoys the banter with the "random people who happen to come by"? :D Somehow makes the subjects of these semi-"formal" feel that much more human, sort of (not that they don't otherwise, but... yeah, something like that)
Random people are my people! No elitism here! Just people making music!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
and CELLO, let us not forget the magical music recorded at the gone but not forgotten Cello, that was right by Crossroads on Sunset...I recorded there a few times... it was a special place :)..this is a great vid!
The Bricasti effect is one of the best currently, also generally the outboard rack is stunning , excellent taste, shows the owner experience...
Hi Warren. Love your videos. Can you please post a link in the details, to the band recording you later did in this studio? Thanks Dean
16:00 to 16:45 Shelly gives THE crucial advice we all need to understand.
Warren love these studios! As the gent was saying “It Is hard for 🐈s” 😂
"Whataya think we're making shoes here?" 😂😂😂
Shelly has made some of the best sounding (and just best) records ever. As far as I'm concerned, he can be on the show all the time, I'll be a happy man :-) Gary is super cool too and he obviously knows his stuff. Thanks Warren, Shelly and Gary!
I agree! Shelly is so amazing!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Let the guy speak Warren..His stories are priceless!! The Zeppelin connection stuff has never been, first hand, mentioned by someone who was in the room, mixing Whole Lotta Love…very few Kramer interviews about LZ!?!
Warren - Paul McCartney's father was a music hall performer! definitely a big influence on his writing style.
That's amazing to hear Jack!!
who the Hero's Hero's are yep , same in Hip Hop and Dance Music/ EDM ! Great episode ! THANKS !
Thanks ever so much my friend!!
Wow! What a studio!
Thanks Matthew! Agreed! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Stones never recorded in Memphis. They wanted to in 1969 but they only had a touring visa, and not a recording one. Don't ask me how that worked.
Anyway, they sneaked into Muscle Shoals, Alabama and recorded Brown Sugar, Wild Horses, and You Gotta Move. Muscle Shoals had lax union rules. You can see them recording Wild Horses in the movie Gimme Shelter with the great engineer/guitarist Jimmy Johnson. You can also see producer Jim Dickinson in the film with Keith listening to the playback.
Very exciting video
Chuck Berry was a huge influence when I first started in 1978. Again Great video, thanks.
Chuck was amazing!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Great studio... Warren could you please do more videos on Mixing acoustic songs. Your videos are helping me so much in my music production. Thanks for the great videos you make.
Hi Ismail, definitely! Thanks very much for the great comment! So glad to be able to help! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I have always wonder if you where italian, cause you have passion Warren!! you have passion! Thank you very much for every program you make. Is not only interesting and helpful, you could be talking about the life of ants and you make it more interesting than watching a hollywood film.! thank you !
A most enjoyable video. Great stories.
Thanks Loren! I agree!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Hi Warren. Awesome episode - in fact one of my favorites, being a studio geek, and longtime producer (of 32+ years).
That studio project looks absolutely amazing, and so jealous that you got to meet and chat with Shelly. I moved to the UK in 87, settled with the British wife, and kids, and miss the recording world of New York and Miami.
I will go back there one day and do some more projects in the States when the opportunity arises. Glad to see the same analogue revolution is happening over there as it is here in London, where many old consoles have been reinstalled in large studios with analogue gear - which I'm happy to say, because I always think it sounds better, and it's what I trained on in the early days.
I'm not a peakfreak like many producers of the modern era, and prefer to use gentle saturation with old skool compressors and tape.. and it's so wonderful to see many obligatory pieces of analogue and early digital gear in Shelly's & Gary's studio.
Keep making awesome videos Warren!
Rack mount fridge?!?!? - I'll ad that to my Christmas list.
Hi Matt McQueen I’d like one for Christmas!! Please send me one! Haha have a marvellous time recording and mixing many thanks Warren
I want one too!
HAHAHAHA ! ha . yes.
Yes!! Haha let's ALL get them Matthew? Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I'm don kingdizzyworld! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
So true what you guys are talking about with the console resurgence. At my level, I was able to get a Midas - German Built/British Designed (ya know, a real Midas) for very cheap to put into my studio. The console has done wonders for my recordings and mixes. Maybe some day I'll have a Trident, but by that time I'm sure I won't want to give up the Midas; as my ears will be so adjusted to it. Thanks for all the inspiration and knowledge!!!! If you are ever in Detroit - give me a holler - you can sleep on the couch for free!! lol!!
That's amazing to hear Mickey!! Yes, Midas are amazing sounding consoles! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
There's also tape print through , which can cause ... The delay to be heard first before the direct sound , I've only heard that effect on 45 records , every Beatle 45 , I had had this effect , I loved if , print that 45 hot.
I miss reading the credits on records (or CDs in my case) Shelly was always the first name thanked by Tom Petty on his records
Hey Warren great interview like always! Did you guys ever get to track that band and film it?
Very cool video.... Extremely inspirational......... It makes me wanna sell all my protools gear and start all over!
Thanks very much! Yes, Shelly is THE man! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
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That console is insane.
Yes it is!! Haha Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
And then 2020 hit....hope these guys are doing well
Thumbs up for the Zeppelin story alone! Great!
Agreed 100%!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Was that Sound Lab , where Terry Reid's "Seed of Memory" was recorded?
Great idea Warren. Can we get Shelly to do a mix ala MWTM also. 😎
Hi keithrobichaux yes!!! More coming! Shelly is the man!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing many thanks Warren
broadcasters know mix-minus is a way to send the audio mix to a person outside the studio that is "minus" the audio coming from the remote site. in other words, the "on scene" reporter or guest hears everything but themselves.
I went to LARS back when it was still called LARW....Fun Times!!
Hi David Belcher that’ sounds cool! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing many thanks Warren
On the Led Zep track it was actually that the engineer did not reverse wrap the reel/reel for storage and the vocal track magnetically bled through on the tape
Hey, also, small point but!: Glyn recorded the FIRST LZ record. The second one was a grab as they could, sometimes whilst touring affair... George Chkiantz, Eddie Kramer, Chris Huston... not Glyn to my knowledge.
Indeed! I got my John's Brother's mixed up! Haha Andy John's worked on Zep 2! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
its this a effect of hard gate? 29:35 ?
Interesting!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Auratones in the center?
Hi, please turn on the subtitles option :) is very helpful
Ok, doing it now!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
by the way, the weird vocal per echo on Whole Lotta Love is apparently leaking on the slide guitar track.
That's great insight!! Thanks! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
42:06 But is it an original / vintage step-ladder? And how does it sound? x)
Amazing! Truly! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Oh, that's one step(-ladder) "beyond" magic-mojo cables...... :P
Listen to the sustain!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
If you go back to the roots you can create new branches.
Wow! That is so amazing! Can I steal that?
our house
is a very very very fine house
(I do miss TP!)
Indeed! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Ray Davies/The Kinks were the first really English sounding band I remember.
Im surprised the glass is a 3 leaf system
One of m y friends always laught about me, beczuse, I always read the credits, my musical knowledge, came from these kind of information
Cool Video! Gary the cleaner seemed a little misty walking down memory lane...
Hi warren, yes Garry is a great guy!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Nice video and awesome studio, but isn't having the three panes of glass counter productive anyway? I'd have just taken out the middle one, making it easier to clean and improving isolation in one go. But that's just me!
Hi Jake, if it creates amazing sound proofing, then I"m all for it! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Nice location
Agreed 100%!!
"guys like you and ME" actually, if you're going to 'speak perfect English' hi to Shelly
Haha very true indeed weedywet! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
YES, I NOTICED HUMANS SEEM TO SING EFFORTLESSLY IN AN AMERICAN ACCENT. I THINK THAT ACCENT LENDS ITSELF TO MUSICAL EXPRESSION !! : )
It just lends itself to sound good when you sing! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Everything in that room can now be found on the average teenage producer's laptop. VSTs and Equalizers
You should let Shelley know - to think, he wasted soooo much money on all that hardware when the cartoons you're championing could do the trick??
LOL. Shhhhhhhh.
I have an exam in an hour and am supposed to be studying....
Hi Davitski P I wish all the best with your exam!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing many thanks Warren
Davitski P Finish that first. You can always come back to watch this later.
I relate with you too much... had an exam wednesday and i spent tuesday watching PLAP studio tours!
Yes, indeed komalthecoolk! You are correct! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Haha I hope you still did well on your exam Tomé? Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Skiffle took over eh?
Haha indeed! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Mix minus should be his studio name.
I agree Timmy!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Is that the same room that used to be Graham Nash's Rudy Records
Yes it is Steven! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
i stopped the video at 17:24 to ask the question. I had i just listened a few more minutes, it would have answered my question. I did a session there New Years day 1980. Don Gooch was the engineer
how does that fridge sound? pretty quiet ? LOL
He did alot of Tom Petty stuff
He certainly did Mike!!
hahahahahahaha so true, but you know what Warren? ...I would buy the English made american music all day! technically I still do, I just bought a porcupine tree CD from eBay haha
Haha very nice indeed Nathan!!
@@Producelikeapro it would be so incredible to hear you interview Steve Wilson on his tracking and mixing workflow...... hopefully it can happen......
Thanks Warren, for helping all of us Learn From Masters (of course, including Marvelous You !)
I have Meniere's Disease and attempt all my tracking/mixing in PT8LE with an MBox2 interface, so I need to hear how other people deal with "certain limitations"..... how creativity morphs a perceived limitation into Innovation.
Warren, would love to be your band you record. We are damn good 3 piece with lots of original material. Check us out Hot Head Ted on itunes. We are in the process of recording 5 new tracks, with a lot of variety.
Send us the music! I'm sure Shelly will chose the band he loves most!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
No 1176?? This isn’t a real studio!!! Jks
Haha I'm sure they have more now!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
After watching many episodes , I’ve come to realize that a lot of studio engineers are very unhealthy. Lol
Lack of sunlight, and odd eating opportunities. Music production is first
If they were “just white guys trying to sound like American blues artists”, I think they would have sounded a bit more like them. This sounds like so much cultural propaganda we hear today in the West. Jazz and classical share some traits. Were jazzers just black guys trying to sound like Debussy just bc they shared harmonic structure etc? No, obviously not. I’ve heard Blind Lemon Jefferson play Rain Song or anything like it. Why is music incestuous when it is white artists copying other white artists but it’s “keeping its roots” when it’s attempting to copy the “blues artists”? Eric Clapton didn’t know who Johnson’s heroes were did he? You invoke Cream and claim they birthed Rock trying to do blues without any mention of Jack (the bass player) and his crediting of Bach, and classical music generally, for inspiring his ideas about Bass. Does that not count? Are there any valid roots there? Zeppelin were “just white guys trying to….”, yet you forget the classical knowledge/chops of John Paul Jones and even Page. Did they get that from Delta blues? Wether you intend it or not it all just leads to Gramsican cultural Marxist drivel, the implication being the only genuine musical expressions in rock and modern pop are appropriated simulacrum of African American music in some form or another. How about hip hop for incredibly incestuous music? Tell me that genre hasn’t lost depth and meaning in its most popular form. Big L, Mobb Deep, Nas etc are replaced by “Wet Ass Pussy”. Is that not a homogenized and shallow version of the latter? In a world where every opinion seems assured of its own worth I put forth mine.