PSI A-17M | Mini Monitor, MASSIVE SOUND!
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2021
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Great review and as always thanks for making the world a better place with your humor!
I'm in the market right now for an upgrade to my trusted Mackie HR 824's from the 90's. Will test these for shure!
I suddenly stopped getting your videos recommended to me, but I’m happy to be back as you are the only channel that is properly reviewing speakers over 500£. I’ll be excited to see the video when you get your hands on a Focal speaker(when they respond to you that is)
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They look SWEEEET!!!
I'm Finnish and.. yeah I'm finished. Moving on with the video..good stuff.
Great video, fun but professional reviews. Would love to see a review on KSDigital monitors, like the a100 (2-way), or a200 (3-way).This european manufacturer may not be very popular, but it's offering a number of interesting products at very competitive prices, and there's not a lot of information on UA-cam about them.
Keep up withi the nice work fam.
I had the pleasure of testing these out some years ago (the non M model) and holy cow, they ARE impressive. Superb stereo imaging, extreme detail insight and a non fatiguing twitter, yet very open and clear. They are super musical yet very clinical at the same time, without sounding cold. After that listen, PSI became my dream monitor over brands such as Quested, Genelec, Neumann, Focal, and others.
I don't think there was ever a "non M" mode as you say. But you are right about dream monitor. I don't think Focal or Genelec even belong in the same sentence. Maybe Genelec's new range but that's full of DSP stuff and I think, for me, that disqualifies it from being truly a high end product.
I got them in my studio. My A 17 M are 7 years old. And these are still the best 4 me. You dont need more sound in my opinion.
I have been using the A-17s for aout six weeks. I can confirm they are indeed superb within accoustic instrument and vocal range: piano, drum kit, electric guitars orchestral strings and brass,double bass. If you produce within that range these monitors are amazng imo.
While they do indeed have a bigger sound than one would expect from monitors this size there is no escaping the fact these are primarily mid focussed monitors with a smallish 5.1" intenal diameter woofer.
They roll-off quite steeply under 60Hz and little presence under 50Hz (to my ears)
Consequently they are not well suited to electronic music: electric drums (eg 808 909 kicks and synth bass etc) where so much character is located in that below 50Hk range.
I am going to add a sub in the medium terms and the PSI A-125 would be an ideal match however be prepared to pay 90% of the cost of the A-17s for the sub. V.expensive to manufacture n Switerland.
Dampening a speaker with fruits is something new for the Swiss)
Can you please review dynaudio core 47?
Saving my pennies for these
any thoughts on these versus focal solo 6 ?
The burgundy, studio red or to decide your discussion RAL tone 3005 coloured ones are beautiful. Sadly, they are small speakers for a "high" price and not huge speakers for a low price, so I will not bother thinking of them. But I'll store the information in the vast depth of my skull, to maybe come back to those at a later point, in a far distant future.
Seriously, thanks for showing.
Thanks for watching 😎 cheap monitors are in the building! Reviews are being written!
@@PresentDayProduction Great and sorry for being such a cheap f***.
It’s no problem at all! Everyone’s got their own path to take!
1:21 everytime 😂
IT'S BURGUNDY!
I prefer the black/white!
Can you guys review UK based OS acoustics dbs8? Should be really good but not enough reviews
I can look into it, for sure
Have had these for 2 years. Really nice sounding but definitely on the darker side I find. I have to reference in headphones a lot for sibilance and other harsh high end frequencies. I find they are not that revealing in those areas. You guys notice that?
Not darker, no. The tweeters are detailed and manufactured in such a way that (here's the kicker) resonances do not form as they would in traditional loudspeakers. This makes them unrealistic in the sense that you can boost highs for days and it sounds great, until you listen on traditional playback systems. Then you hear those resonances as you would expect.
They started building new tweeters in late 2021 I think it was for the a17-m. Hopefully they resolved this overly pleasing driver! It sounds fantastic though haha just a bit of a learning curve. Can't work from "that's too much, just a little less will do"; have to start from the bottom- this sounds a bit dark, let's give it a little more
@@NeilZ2k15 Yes, exactly..overly pleasing is a good way to put it. Only upside to that is the ears don't fatigue as fast haha. It's only a certain range of the high mids that I wish presented those resonances a little more obviously but oh well. The low mids are really incredible though and very revealing. The lows are also extremely impressive too for a speaker this size. Curious to try the three-way models.
For the price, spec, looks etc I think these will be my upgrade monitors from my iLoud MTM’s
The MTM's are a already quite a powerful little speaker but upgrading to a PSI just like that is one hell of a difference👀 Crazy upgrade
Correct, it will be an entirely different universe of sound!
@@GarciaOnThaBeat I’ve had them for a few years and I’m ready to upgrade to a monitor with a bigger and more detailed freq range especially in the low end
@@PresentDayProduction love the channel guys, incredibly informative and so much fun… Bravo 🎉
Thank you for watching 😎
A question, "Does Flop Cat eat electric chocolate?" Great review as usual but Flop Cat only makes a brief appearance! 🐱🐱🐱
He likes ham, chicken and mice, but we haven't tried chocolate yet!
"Does Flop Cat eat electric chocolate?"
Was this the original title of the Tubeway Army song?
Tim Beaton No, that was 'Are Felines Electric'
Polar White? I wan't bipolar egg shell colour please.
I'm trying to decide between those and neumann kh310 ? which one would you recommend between both ? and maybe a third option in same price range ? thanks so much for those videos.
ABSOLUTELY the PSI over the Neumann. Many will disagree, but they all bought Neumann! We’ve had both in the studio and the KH310 are vastly overrated in my experience.
@@PresentDayProduction What you said is key "they all bought Neumann" haha. Thanks a lot it confirms what i 'll get end of the month :) I heard both too and was really for the psi but the fact you guys confirm im now fully validated for my purchase haha
Top cat.
As black metal speakers, can you only mix Venom or Bathory etc on them? Mind you, if Mark was remixing some early Napalm Death tracks on them, that could explain why he only needed 14 seconds (one for the old folks, there).
Still wondering though... can a two-way really cover the sound spectrum as well as a good three-way (Hedd, Neumann, Focal... etc) at a similar price (of around 3 grand a pair)..? That is, to be useful across a wider range, rather than just a good/better mid-range..?
We found these speakers in the Black Metal forests of Scandinavia!
You are correct about three ways being a little more accurate in the mid range, simply because there is a driver to focus precisely on the mid-range, and so there is more headroom and precise engineering for each section of the sound spectrum
@@PresentDayProduction So... K310A it is, then..?
I’m sure we could suggest something else! 😂
If you could choose between the A23, A21 or A17, which one do you recommend if you work on low volume most of the time?
Knowing I was going to become a stay at home Daddy (living the dream), I poured my last few paycheck's into doing up my studio up with synths, decent mics and other hardware but as I had upgraded to Kali In-8's(from serious beginner M-Audios) a year prior I couldn't justify getting new speakers but a strong part of me wishes I had of avoided all that stuff and just got these.
The "2nd Wave" IN-8s are unbeatable @ $800USD/pair -- and difficult to beat without spending well far into four figures in USD.
I heard these next to the ATC SCM 25’s and unfortunately they just couldn’t compete
That’s because you need to hear the PSI A23 against the SCM25 then it’s a fair comparison. Both are 3 way models and similar price too
@@paulmortimer749 I wish I could have! The ATC’s were much better than everything else but I didn’t get to try the higher end PSI stuff
They beat all 2-way monitors and the most 3-way monitors.
Currently on KH310s and not loving them…would these be an upgrade or should I go for the A21s?
Either of them should be an upgrade from KH310's. The A21 will offer better bass response than the A17 - although not by much. You're safe with either option. We've never been fans of the KH310 - when Jamie had a very similar pair and upgraded to ATC SCM35's, the difference was truly night and day and he sold the KH's the day after buying the ATC's! The PSi's will offer the same improvement here. It's the kind of thing where once you've heard it, you'll wonder why you ever liked the 310's.
Many users of your model went to A21-M for more definition, better stereo image and more low end. The A17-M could do the job but you would need to be closer
@@PresentDayProduction I can second that. PSI are a true high end product/speaker. Same with ATC. Go 17s + sub and you'll have a full range system that will be pretty tough to beat. Better than going the A21 route with it's modest low end extension.
What about the A21 version? How does that sound?
The same, but louder
@@PresentDayProduction Thanks and what about the 3way monitor A23? Meanwhile I had a short listening to the A17 in a studio and I agree its great :).
What does “hyped” even mean? Everyone’s always saying the highs are not hyped etc.
They have some stiff competition at that price, and I'd have thought the target audience of 2 way users would be quite small. Will listen to a pair if I get the chance though, quite an interesting piece of kit if they are as good as you say they are. Might make a good B pair.
James here - In general, I just dislike almost all two-way speakers, because they just don’t stand up against a good three-way system. However, as it says in the video, this is the first pair to actually make me turn my head. Worth a listen if you get the chance
Koss there are thousands of pro users working on 2 way monitors so not sure why you think the market is so small
@@PresentDayProduction James I wonder how come that you haven't heard the ATC SCM20s as of yet!
The reason would be because we own the larger speakers by ATC so have never needed to go smaller - the only reason we would have heard the SCM20’s would be if they’re lent to us by ATC. Which may be a possibility
They have no competition at that price range. If you've never tried these this might sound like a strange statement but they have no competition at that price point. I went with the A17 pair over the Neumann 310. I thought the 310s were great but the A17's were, well, better. Use them with a sub though and a whole other world opens up. YOu'll wonder how you ever did without. I'd buy the A25s from them if I didn't already have Geithain 901k for mains. As far as nearfields go however I think the A17's are the best speaker in the world. This new version with 210 watts per side is probably a little excessive even. The old ones were just fine with their more modest power platform. But I guess in our world louder/bigger equals better always. Marketing always wins in the end it seems.
Will it be a huge difference from mine PMC results + sub?
A17 + sub will be a hell of a lot better than your PMC results + sub. The stereo image on PMCs has always been a little ambigous. It is pin sharp on the PSI. Perfect phase. Moreover, you'll get rid of the DSP which, in my opinion, is a pretty weird trend. Especially if you have a hybrid workflow with an analogue front end. Plug an analogue synth in and you'll never hear it in analogue with your PMCs. DSP is, if you think about it, the cheapest way, and the laziest way, to make a speaker.
@@Screaming-Trees my PMC's are full analogue(no dsp processing) as well as my Eve audio TS108, even crossover filter is analogue. DA conversion is happening only once in my Universal Audio interface.
@@RAYSHIO I dont' know about that. PMC have become very cagey about what's in their amplifier section. Before I bought my Geithains for mains PMC invited me to Funkhaus in Berlin to demo some of their offerings. Namely the XBD range. PMC were very explicit that almost their entire range was class D amplifiers with DSP save for IB1S (active or passive). I would think that would include your speakers. Doing a bit of digging around it does appear that Result line of speakers are all class D powered.
Strictly speaking you can implement class D amplifiers to be fully analogue but I don't think anyone's done this yet (PMC included). The whole point of going class D is approach AB class type fidelity but lower the cost. Implementing class D in analogue might ruin your cost requirements. If you're under the impression that your Result 6 hasn't a force AD/DA stage in it I'd be calling my rep and asking for an explanation/confirmation. I think your impressions are mistaken.
Funnily enough this isn't why we went Geithain over PMC. I genuinely like PMC and what they are doing. Their customer service is great. It came down to phase and stereo image. Geithains just wiped the floor with the XBD range. I suppose that's to be expected when you have a coaxial arrangement type speaker vs a more traditional speaker like the XBD. Or at least I thought a much until I heard PSI which have a traditional driver arrangement but near perfect phase and stereo image (like the Geithains). That was a big surprise. To see PSI achieve something like what Geithain can do with point source driver arrangement was a bit of an indictment of PMC's approach. In my mind anyway. Clearly traditional driver arrangements can produce excellent phase response and stereo imaging that are nearly as good as coaxial arrangements but this wasn't the case on the PMCs we demoed. That was what lost them the business in our case.
IN your case, and back to your question, the Result line is an entry level speaker with a class D amplifier. Most of PSI's range is class G/H (more efficient AB). Class D just isn't good enough to compete with high quality AB/GH type amplifiers yet. But more importantly, if the XBD range doesn't quite have the stereo imaging and phase response that can approach what PSI do I could only surmise that your Result line doesn't either.
Demo them if you don't believe me and definitely demo them if you want to know for sure. On the whole forced AD/DA stage in the speaker, well I don't know. As I say I was under the impression that all their speakers are pretty much subjected to that now. Best way to find out is to call your rep though.
Ohhhhhhhh diminutive. You don’t get to drop that word into a sentence often 👍🏻
Gotta make the most of the diminutive chance to use it!
Psi 17 vs atc in its range?
The nearest would be the ATC SCM20A SL Pro, which beat the A17 in just about every aspect to my ears. They're an extra £2K or so though, so there's nothing directly comparable.
@@PresentDayProduction ahhh man. Is that extra 2k worth it? Ive demoed the psi17 and mixed really fast with them
@@PresentDayProduction atcscm20A vs PSiA21M?
I'm fashionably late, got held up trying to incite riots
£3,000 a pair. Well sod that then. But then your later comments, "At low volume they're incredibly detailed and they've changed my opinion about what's possible with a two-way speaker. [...]. They seem to defy the laws of physics."
Oh. damn. Who needs money anyway?
Mini Monitor, MASSIVE PRICE! hahaha
For the quality of what you get - not particularly massive. Monitoring is the kind of thing where you don't know what you're missing until you've heard it - and there's a price to pay for that but in this case it's not obscenely expensive for the sound you get
Hmmm do I detect an edited out rhyming slang response to the word 'white'. Oh and Flopcat needs merch.
Not at all, no edits in this one!
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Torilla tavataan!
i find that you are pretty hyperbolic talking about a17m having "astounding bass", "sounds bigger than they are" and "defying the laws of physics". its either you have not much experience with small monitors, or the monitors truly have astounding bass, or you are somehow incentivised to say it.
For their size, I have to agree that they sound vastly bigger and more impactful than you’d expect. I am personally quite amazed with them on a daily basis, you can see into the mix for miles. By far the finest nearfield I’ve ever heard.