Live Stream with Former Antioch Professor Christine Sefein
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- Опубліковано 28 гру 2022
- Fantastic conversation with Christine Sefein, a former professor at Antioch in Los Angeles. I hope to have Christine on again next week to continue the discussion. (And apologies for the lighting on my end- I am in a hotel temporarily due to a frozen pipe bursting at home!)
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Leslie you rock. You took the risk to speak up, stood by what you felt was right, and are giving more people the strength to speak up, and come forward. And you are making these conversations public. You were willing to go into the unknown with this channel. Solzhenitsyn said that someone who refuses to lie can bring down an empire. You rock dude.
So glad to see and hear these conversations! Keep the momentum going! Peace and Love!
I wonder if the Antioch administration is still watching all your videos, and whether they have the humility to admit, even to themselves, that you may have a point.
Good question!
Oh Absolutely they are.
My guess: they are watching, carefully. Not the least repentant, but fervently holding their view. Imagining they are saviors with influence, creating a better world. It's not a battle I would fight. The Antioch faithful, as described, sound like religious fanatics, pure and simple: the more you argue and present your view, the more they're convinced that they're correct, and must rise to a greater level of opposition. Antioch, once a great school of Ohio origin, is described here as a cult, pure and simple; a devolved apparatus of unwell and somewhat panicked members. You can't out argue or out logic such an organization. However, cults of this nature can give rise to dangerous members, especially in our present climate. Antioch, I imagine, see's the challenge of Leslie as an existential threat: a threat to their institution, income and status; and a threat to their death grip ideology. A cautious approach, regarding Antioch, might be wise; and a greater purpose may arise from this debacle.
I applaud what you are doing. The consequences of bigotry are dangerous for society. Fighting it is important for the survival of the human race. Let us hope that it does survive.
The gatekeepers for students and prospective teachers is really sickening.
Excellent conversation! I am increasingly concerned about the lack of gatekeeping in counselor education programs. I think those of us who have this concern and have experience providing exploratory therapy need to create some courses or consultation groups so that novice counselors can get an actual education in the field. Thank you, Leslie, for posting these conversations. Please continue.
Thank you, Jenny!
Wow, incredible story, thanks so much for sharing!
The best conversation I've seen on the internet this month
Keep up this very important work
Thank you, Elliot!
“Intolerance Will Not Be Tolerated” is very much in line with Marcuse’s “Repressive Tolerance”. Of course few of the kids actually know that. It’s a reflection of the high level of training the Marxists in academia have in critical social justice.
The concepts lied in wait until it was time for activation. If Marxism/Communism hadn’t been turned into a caricature Americans would have recognized the terminology quicker. My wife recalls being taught in school as a child in the Philippines to politely correct people who referred to her as a “Filipinx”. In regions where communist parties are prevalent the concepts of colonialism, white supremacy, white privilege etc. are fairly ubiquitous.
Fantastic, thoughtful interview. Thank you.
Definitely want to see the emails with the president and vaccine mandate
Please keep up this important work. These well-meaning, but incredibly regressive ideas must be stopped before we end up in race wars again.
Good intentions: Good, Better, Best...BestED
Thank you for this. I'm looking forward to the next round with Professor Sefein. It's interesting to me that the lines of division in the faculty are not "true believers" vs "skeptics of wokeism". Rather, it seems to be "true believers" vs "skeptics of wokeism with courage" vs "skeptics of wokeism without courage". Leslie and Christine are clearly in "with courage" group. I'm sure it would have been easier to just say the words, give in, pretend to agree, and keep your career.
Great conversation. It’s heartening to hear Christine’s story of questioning and pushing back on a dominant narrative.
By chance I happened to just read about the Asch Effect, named after psychologist who did a study testing whether people would give an obviously wrong answer because everyone around them was.
Thanks again.
Hello Leslie and Christine. Great presentation Ladies. I really enjoyed listening to the discussion and was really disheartened to hear how bad things have gotten. Please keep the conversation going! We obviously need folks like you to stand up and speak out about what is going on in that world. Well done for telling the truth.. I am beyond shocked that university students in this day and age are so blatantly racist. Disgusting... These kids have (unfortunately) been programmed into this way of thinking and it will take far longer to undo the damage than to put it there to begin with... Christine, Like Leslie, you're a very brave lady to be able to stand up and admit the things you have. I admire you allot.
Love hearing these stories. You often feel like you’re alone or crazy for thinking these things are wrong and make no sense. Talking about it and telling these stories is so important.
I can't believe much of this. It's too insane.
Thanks
An excellent conversation, that raises issues of fundamental importance in how we live together, in how we organise institutions, and in how to identify salient characteristics of the "progressivist" virus called woke. It's helpful well outside the boundaries of counselling education. Thank you!
Please follow up on the funding issue.
Your message is spreading, great work. Please don’t stop talking about this. It is far too important. To think that a counseling student would flippantly reject the grief a mother was experiencing, solely due to her skin color? Abhorrent!
Thanks! I know- that was truly shocking to me, as well.
Keep it up Leslie - your subscriber base is getting larger by the day.
These videos are gold. Please keep up the fight and keep raising awareness.
Hope Christine becomes a consultant, create and deliver your own curriculum~ there is evidentially a gap for students who want a traditional education focused on meeting community needs; I'd take a PD course with you
This is a great suggestion.
Hi. One important, if not THE most important element, is that you two are having fun doing this. As Prof Sefein intimated, the results you’re looking to see from this may well never come about. So keep having fun, and I mean it.
You remember I told you about my wife battling cancer last month, Ms Eliot? Well, she died. 21 years married and the absolute last person I’d ever want to talk to about it is a psychotherapist, let alone a student on Grief Counseling, and least of all, a student from Antioch. I would expect more affinity and connexion with a baboon or a wooden doll than from those people.
Really. I ask myself, how is it possible people like you two could get so deep into their system without having realized their history ranges at least as far back as the late 60s - of lethargy at the top, lasciviousness and power abuse from middle management, and outright simian minds and behavior from the bottom?
Did you ever read Howard S Schwartz’s books on organizational corruption, as I suggested, Professors Sefein and Eliot? How is it that I, a de facto high school dropout, know more about your own accrediting schools than you do?
Please, read a couple of books by Schwartz, even one. Or Sir Roger Scruton’s “Fools, Frauds and Firebrands” (something like that, by title).
How can I go into this any more deeply with you, when or if you won’t engage even “popular” learning like mine?
Would LOVE to see that email chain regarding the COVID protocol.
Sorry to hear about the frozen pipe, but it is teaching you about the physical changes happening in our world and will help you prepare for the next freeze up. Thank you both Christine and Leslie for sharing your time and stories with us. Not sure what their doing about your education, but good luck to you both and all the best for your family's.
The end sounded like waterboarding by kool-aid the educators into submission.
Thank you, William!
what a great conversation... loved it. listened to it while at work. the whole thing:)
I blame the Obama admin, a very biased media, plus a somewhat gullible US population (feel free to disagree). Even with those factors, I am amazed by how widespread & deep rooted this culture of hatred has become. Another great guest, Leslie. Thank you!
I might agree, but this isn’t a U.S.-specific problem. In fact, it’s worse in most other Western countries because their freedoms of speech are more limited, so it’s being implemented in those places not just by the media and entertainment, but by the strong-arm of the government.
@@crescendo5594 I don't follow much non-US news, but based on the way they reported on the Coof demic (gaslighted), I can see your point.
Another great video .
Fascinating interview... cheers
There is an odd parity between “students” of the described program and the Medieval population of Rome. Both living among ruined structures that were centuries old but still greater in every way than anything he would ever build or see built in his lifetime.
Great conversation! Speaking about allowing students to do political protests during class time: in Ontario, Canada, public elementary schools allow kids to have political protests during class time as well (school close to where I live had let kiddoes protest in order to have MORE of the sex education content ......instead of teaching them math and literature 🤪)..... World is turning upside down
This was wonderful. I am looking forward to the next one.
Thanks for sharing ya'll. Keep on Speak'n on !
Great ideas, nice voice , beautiful narrator
It's still shocking to hear these things but also comforting to know I'm not the only one who has seen cleagues, etc. turn into pod people!
I love the traction and attention your videos are getting. I’d love to see an interview with one of the current professors of Antioch, but I know they wouldn’t dare put themselves on a platform that would expose them to the light of day.
Hi Leslie and Christine. Can you share who is the TED talker from west virginia that did a presentation on addiction that Christine mentioned?
Two days ago, I had a very heated disagreement on an Internet forum with a PhD political scientist from Australia who’s fully drunk the woke koolaid and now demonizes and hates “white people” for all the injustices that we’ve singularly inflicted upon the human race. His arguments were intellectually flimsy, factually incorrect and clearly the result of being ignorant of both the world and world history.
Today I had a very interesting conversation with a 1st generation 50 year old Mexican female with a PhD in education. She left academia 6 years ago in order to direct a non-profit that supports single mothers in Texas.
Prior to leaving education, she’d become heavily involved with politics and enacting a very deliberate agenda of social change.
Our conversation clarified some questions I’ve had about how social justice activism has infiltrated the fields of education, social science and mental health.
Whereas this woman’s ideology is a direct result of her personal experience growing up as a migrant farm worker in the 70s, 80s & 90s, his ideology is nothing more than an adopted contrivance. It’s completely divorced from any personal experience of hardship. I don’t know if it fits the parameters of a psychological disorder, but it certainly has characteristics of histrionic and delusional disorder.
It may be interesting to conduct a personality inventory of those who are and are not susceptible to wokeism.
It seems almost reminiscent of stolen valor, where people claim to possess military accolades they never earned. Except that wokeism seems like a group competition to establish and elevate one’s social and spiritual credentials. Unfortunately, unlike with stolen valor, where military vets are happy to call someone out for their deceitful delusion, with wokeism, people are terrified. No one dares to call it out for what it is, for fear of becoming ex-communicated from their “community”.
But wokeism is also similar to modern socialism. Young socialists by and large come from upper and upper-middle class families. They themselves have never struggled and feel guilty for their unearned privilege. So they concoct this socialist narrative for themselves and others, but they don’t actually believe it. It’s literally nothing more than a superficial mask they wear for personal and collective acceptance.
Hopefully this will inspire other faculty members to speak out.
Yes I hope so. I spoke with another former Antioch Prof recently who is not at this time able to go on record...
It's absolutely tied to funding. Meanwhile, their ideology of non-competitiveness and non-materialism is nowhere to be found among them. Then, you have the informants and other nice folks around, just in case you don't understand.
"Don't hate nothing at all except hatred" -- Bob Dylan 1965
This is both self-criticizm and future suggestion: Myself and I believe most people have a relatively short attention span. I cannot last through a 55 min serious discussion (unless theres tons of jokes). Consider keeping these down to say, 20 minutes, which is about as long as I can personally handle.
(As for the frozen pipe bursting, youre learning the hard way you have to let your faucets drip throughout the house so that it doesnt happen again.)
Glad youre continuing to get the word out however, and reminding everyone that this phenomenon is not merely at Antioch, but many many colleges around the country and we need to be aware of this! Thanks again Leslie!
You can always pause the conversation and come back if your attention span is short.
Thanks Rich! I am not sure what length I'm going to stick to- this is all new. I have been trying to keep conversations around 30 min, but this was my first live stream. Will take it one step at a time and I do appreciate the feedback. Also... the faucets were dripping! I did all the things! Just a frustrating issue. The house is 115 years old and there's no insulation- pipes running along outside wall etc etc...
The curriculum is so culturally sensitive that the lesson on Jewish people was a movie about a non-Jewish girl getting picked on for wearing a Star of David necklace that she thought was pretty - had no clue what it represented or the reality of the Holocaust. They mock and minimize people with SMI’s. One of my teachers actually gave wrong information about psychiatric treatment and the protocol around 72-hour holds. It shocked me that nobody seemed to know or care. It’s not about how individuals define their experiences. It’s about the experiences the powerful tell you they had. Full stop. Do not dare say you had a different experience.
What’s the name of the class referenced @ 19:33??? “_____ in the classroom”
I keep wondering: How does this program remain accredited?
Who controls these agendas ?
Image ridden politicians and their sacks of money
You're missing the most crucial word that describes this political movement: fascist. The meaning of this word has been lost; however, authoritarian, utopian, collectivist, youth-movement-led, progressive identity politics *is* what fascism is. The racial component of this is no accident.
Crikey! once again. Uni. broke once again !
There is only one God. “Within the one Being that is God, there exists eternally three coequal and coeternal persons, namely, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” God is the creator of everything and is Sovereign over everything. God has appointed his only Son to judge the living and the dead. We have all sinned and broken God’s law, such as lying, stealing, lusting, anger, pride, etc. God is Holy, Just, and impartial. That is why when God judges he cannot let even one sin from anyone go unpunished and that punishment is eternal hell. We can’t work our way into heaven and our good deeds can’t save us from our sin. The bible says all our righteous acts are like filthy rags. We would perish if we died and faced God with our own righteousness.
The Good news is that God sent his only Son to save his people from their sin. Jesus who is fully God and fully human, lived a perfect life and never sinned. He willingly went to the cross where the Father took the wrath that was meant for his people and put it on Jesus. Jesus paid the price for their sin and died on the cross. He was buried and on the third day God raised him from the dead. God commands all people everywhere to repent of their sins and to put their trust in Jesus. Biblical repentance is a change of mind about Sin. It’s an attitude of the heart, genuinely turning from sin to God. Everyone who repents and puts their trust in Jesus, will have their sins credited to Jesus, and Jesus’s righteousness will be credited to them. Their sins will be forgiven, and they will be given eternal life. When it’s time to face God, he will welcome them into heaven because of Jesus’s perfect righteousness.
? A masterful non sequitur
@@johnhigson6206 Hi John, can you be specific?
What advocacy groups exist or could be formed to fight against the mistreatment of white and Asian people? Maybe if we can combine those two groups it will not attract fringy far right people.
Thomas Sowell tells an interesting story about wanting to hire a Jewish woman and being told she was not a “good enough” minority. Someone asked him what they could do to qualify as a “good enough” minority. He said “fail.” I think about that all of the time. Am I advocating for what is right or am I advocating for the obvious, popular cause that brings praise from society?
So am i the only one who sees lots of evidence that it has been a clear mistake to let women take control of all levels of education?
The best conversation I've seen on the internet this month
Keep up this very important work
Elliot!! Were you at the house of hope in 2009?? This is Becky if it’s you
@rbwbehrmann Hi Becky
Yes of course I remember you. What brings you to this podcast?
@@elliotgoldberg5657 I am watching to see the brave people calling out the takeover of the education system, and really the takeover of our country, and the whole free world. After being a patient for therapists, this frightens me even more than the vaccine does. I honestly wonder if we even have 5-10 more years of freedom left here. I’ve learned so much about history over the past 13 years and can see where this leads. How can I reach you not over comments on UA-cam? I did find your articles that you have written. There’s so much I want to talk to you about!!!
@@elliotgoldberg5657 just to verify it’s you, what kind of coffee do you order
@rbwbehrmann Daryl was the boss @ the house of hope. And just before I left Provo we had coffee in Sandy @ the Starbucks off the freeway