AMP SHOWDOWN! - Hifonics BRZ-2400.1D VS Soundqubed Q1-2200D
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Do you really get what you pay for? Today I compare the Hifonics Brutus BRZ2400.1 to the SQ 2200D to see if the Soundqubed amp is worth the extra cost.
A little while back I noticed the Hifonics 2400 looked an awful lot like the SQ 2200 inside. And after getting some talk about how much better the SQ amp was, I decided to pit them against each other
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WOW. I watched the entire video, and I'm no expert on amp components but everything that this guy says makes sense and seems to be valid. I heard rumors about the Hifonics being the same as the SQ but I had thought there's absolutely NO way this is true. I was terribly wrong. I run a SQ2200 and I am completely shocked now. Just wow...
DC Audio and Crescendo are also the same amplifier they have the same motherboard the same layout and they both do exactly the same power I forgot who had that channel I think a guy named Big D Wiz
YEZER BIG D WIZ
Soundqubed is much better made to take vibration which = last longer
@@russlora are you slow simple or stupid? Pretty sure that 12:30 into the vid he quite simply explains the components and how they affect lifespan. So come again....Was is simple or one of the other two? You gotta be one of the idiot anti Trump leftist or whatever you decide to be called this day of this week. Seriously dude please explain with intelligence how you came to that conclusion? Thx
@@russlora and please explain to me being a professional mechanic how your sub creates more vib/impact damage then when a 10000 lb truck slams a 8 inch deep pot hole about 35mph? Sorry dude but if the amp....any amp works I any vehicle directly bolted to the chassis I highly doubt sound vibration under 160 db is near that impact. Try again my dude. If you want to justify your wasted money to yourself then simply say the color matched your setup better nevermind that paint sounds better in black lmao fuktard
Dude, this is like the best channel ever. I do sound for a living and I really appreciate the science and testing methodologies in your videos. Thanks for taking the time and making these. Very impressed and entertained. Good job!
Thank you! More will be coming.
I really wish I could shake your hand you do the audio community such a huge service you save hundreds if not thousands of ppl time and money I truly truly thank you my friend
Hate! Nothing but love for that 411 my man, nothing but love! You've just save a ton of people a ton of money in a lil over 15 minutes. Sort of like GEICO....
Lol
Three of our family members rock high fonix amps for more then a handful of years now. No problems, no complaints. And very affordable. Nice to see the guts though. Thanks for the super informative video!!
Thus was a very in depth review of the two amps, people have been asking for ages what if any the difference is between the two. You did an outstanding job. Thanks.
Subbed for sure!
Awesome video! I'd love to see you do this with other amps that have the same Korean based board....Of course I know you can only test amps you have in your possession though...
I didnt know this is amp lab.hes a helpful guy if hes not busy.i asked him about a amp the other day.
I ran across this vid and SQ owners butts are sore. lol!!! I also think the brz 2100 and 2400 are the same amps. Just my 2 cents. I got 2 of them strapped @ .5 ohms. yes .5 ohms and they run cool for over 2 years now. Thanks for the test, I am subscribing now.
Excellent video, I love the in depth look at fets, caps, and rail voltage!
Jennifer Thorsteinson no
I really appreciate the time you took to do this comparison, wish there were more of these since so many of the amps out there are so similar with only the name being the reason for paying the extra cost. One example that comes to mind is the PPI P900.4 and the Hertz, NVX, and other similar amps.
I'm so glad to have watched this vid. I was looking at buying a soundqubed 2200
Yup, me too. Was gona shed way more money for something not worth it. Ended up ordering a Brz 1700.1
Couldn't find a 2400 at decent price and not too sure about audiopipe amps.
+97sswcubes 78 audiopipe subs and amps are ok. components are shit
So I’ve been scrolling through the comments and everyone is saying that ppl are butt hurt... so what were people thinking one amp was better than the other?
Great video- cant argue when you see the depth of this analysis. I've always had a soft spot for hifonics since the 90's-even though they haven't been accurately rated in years. But I've had quite a few of their amps and never had an issue, and always put out the power I needed. Great vid
Great video, keep up the good work and let the truth out about these companies.
This sure pissed off the nuthuggers..lmao
Excellent test. Glad I watched it. I learned a few things about amplifiers that I didn't know.
Nice comparison man very well done much appricated
proof is proof good vid.......
Thank you.
hey man np its true how can you not see the proof if ppl cant then they are just nutthuggers of the brands they like and thats cool but in the end proof is proof. btw you got any info on the vfl4480/4800 amp?
The Amp Lab i have a? I have a hifonics with that same board. it will only produce a humming noise through the speakers. no music, just scratchy humming. as soon as it comes on , no noise. then if you move the slave -master switch you can make it hum. thats it! it doesn't matter if the rca's are in or not. just straight humming to the subs. a whining kind of hum. could it be the power board? im lost. nothing is burnt at all. all fets are good. i tested them. caps look good. resistors look good. rectifiers look good.... please help.
i meant to say driver board not power board. .. sorry
Nice review - thank you for putting this together! Learned a little about component ratings as well as amp design and this seems like a fair test. Advantage HiFonics: Same power, lower price, slight advantage on component quality, balanced inputs and phase adjustment. After that it comes down to personal preference (I don't own or prefer either amp or brand).
I enjoyed the video, and I appreciate your efforts in producing it. Some things that I noticed you didn't compare between the output FETs is Rds(on) and the thermal de-rating factor. If one device has a lower on resistance than the other, it will produce less heat. Also, due to de-rating factors, one device could have a better 25º current rating, but once derated for the real operating temperature, handle less current. Not trying to say any of the devices compared here are better or worse, just something you might want to consider next time. Thanks again for your work!
Nice in-depth comparison, Subscribed!!
you'll find that a lot of amps out there have the same layout but it really comes down to what transistors they're using in the outputs and what the rail voltage is.
I see all these people saying, "I run Model X amp into a dead short all day!".
My question to you: WHY?!?! It makes no sense! When driving low impedance loads, the amp makes MASSIVE heat which leads to much lowered life, the THD goes through the roof, the efficiency goes way down, and the damping factor goes into the dirt.
Why the hell would you want to do that? Low impedance loads also requires you to spend huge sums of money on big alternators, extra batteries, and the huge gauge wiring that all of that entails. Couple that with the incredibly crappy gas mileage that you're going to get carrying around 300 extra pounds of battery all the time, and you're losing even *more* money.
If you run your amps at high impedance, 4 or even 8 ohms, you gain so, SO much. The amp lives long lives, the THD goes way down for a more enjoyable listening experience, and you don't have to waste a wheelbarrow load of cash on huge batteries and wiring.
Michael Bloom the reason why is because these amps will not make power worth a damn at 4 or even 8 ohm they are ment to be ran at low impedances ... I personally run 6 dual 4 ohm 15" subwoofers in series/parallel for a final impedance 1.33 ohms to my amplifier Wich does 2000rms but in reality it's not BC it's running at 1.33 it's only doing about 1520rms and trust me you can feel a difference. I will eventually run an amp to each so I can run cleaner power to my subs at a higher impedance. but I have a budget so if one can do the job of six ...well there's your answer.
Michael Bloom
Michael Bloom thank you for making an intelligent argument! You the real mvp!
Go find me a 1kw amp @4ohms for under $250
I've owned a bunch of Kicker amps as well and along with Fosgate. I'm running kicker amps right now. 2 Ohm loads is what I prefer to run, always have, always will, never have issues with any amp I've had ever. Most amps don't do that well at 2 ohms but that is why I run kicker and fosgate....all nums are done at 2 ohms....Got a 2500 watt kicker amp....Then able to do that 2500 at 2 ohms and 5/8 of that 2500 you can still do at 4 ohms. lol.... and people bang on kicker....smh. You want a amp to last, electrical to last....kicker or fosgate.....
Good analysis of the internals, you got a sub.
how does the saying go, "everything that glitters aint gold" especially in car audio, thx for doing these vids
Awesome video best amp comparison I've seen.
a lot of speakers do the same baskets and so on and are even made by the same company with different names.This doesn't surprises me one bit.
+DA BEARDSMEN just like TVs but lots of people argue the brands
+MasterTechRepair And cars
only 3 lcd/led screen manufacturers. as for boards there are many.
I see the LCD led guys comment. I am a mechanic by trade and have seen this trend with engines. The same 2.4 4cyl that was Toyotas worst 4cyl ever was made by another engine maker and proof is that the same 2.4 motor is now powering most gm 4 cyl vehicles and has been for about ten years. The same trend was proven to me doing research of led grow lights. Our economy has lead to and contributed to the demise of priority brands and manufacture differences. If humans keep up wanting what others have our individuality and creativity won't exist. No one does research on what they buy perfect example is the same led light on Amazon sells for more than a thousand dollars. That exact light with a different branding is less than 300 on another site. Components are exact just described differently to the uneducated consumer. Bottom line is everything you buy should be looked into deeply before shelling out
Great vid. I own soundqubed subs and hifonics amps. Hifonics are great for the price, especially brutus.
Yep
That's what I call a guy that knows his shit!!
You just saved me some money thank you very much and now Iam a subscriber to your channel
Great vid!! I have hifonics they work flawlessly thx for the time..
Car Audio is about BRANDS...Noone wants to over spend on a SQ amp and get beat or matched but the same exact much cheaper amp with identical internals.... It makes you feel silly.
excellent review mate, good job!
Great video man! Been waiting on someone to a comparison on those amps! It's all about bang for the buck I don't care what people say or think I've been in the game since 89 when I bought my first rf punch 150 which costed way to much back then! But around 5 yrs ago I bought a a HF BRX ran it .5 ohms daily beat the piss out of it for 3 yrs sold it to my cousin who runs it at 1 ohm daily to buy my RF T1500BDCP which is a beast run it 1 ohm but I have ran it .5 and has put down any amp that is rated 2000 or less with ease! And got brand new with warranty for 430$ which was cheaper than my first RF P150!
Excellent comparison! Hopefully you can make more comparison video s , thanks
Great info. Keeping manufacturers honest.
RCA input jacks on the SQ are higher quality. Much more solid. I do like that. lol :-)
firebirdude2 and soundqubed amps have built in clip meter on the bass knob 😆
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@@jayjaym8186 Yep.
Huge + there.
The soundqubed is .5 ohm stable (not officially) without producing too much excess heat. Don't know that it would have been my first choice if I had seen this video prior but definitely have no regrets about paying a bit extra for that monster.
soundqubed changed the voltage rating for this amp on their site after you made this video. 😕
Shhh. Don't say that to loud. I got hit with hate for 2 weeks after I said the hifonics would be my choice due to price
Joseph Wright haha no way for real?
I know this is an old video but yeah they are pretty much the same amp but most companies are like that if there made in the same build house Korean amps are some of the best POWER amps but it takes power to make power i think in my opinion some of the baddest amps out there are like incriminator audio sundown audio synergy audio ampere audio taramps Wolfram audio im mean i could be here all day there's so many new company's coming out now it's amazing how FAR this AUDIO WORLD is growing i hope they just keep coming out with more and more bigger and more powerful SUBWOOFER'S and AMPLIFIER'S THIS IS A SPORT NOW ok im done rambling on (✌🏼💪🏼🔈✌🏼💪🏼🔉✌🏼💪🏼🔊)
thank you man for your feedback, i was planning to get the hifonics BRX2400.1, after you check i don't think that the BRX will make big difference form the BRZ,thank you
I wonder i one runs cooler than the other based on the heatsink or other case designs?
I love seeing different companies use same boards and charge more for a (BRAND name)
Lets me know that looks and name are nothing sometimes and to purchase on merit alone.
thanks for taking the time to test these and compare components!
Old vid but I just saw it and damn it's a great vid man.
Excellent, detailed, good vid, thx man
If you put them on top instead of aside we can see them both in the same shot! Great VIDEO!👍👍
WOW u just schooled a lot of people but u kno the hater's will still hate but it's cool the proof was right in there face awesome video 👍🏼👍🏼 (✌🏼💪🏼🔈💪🏼🔉💪🏼🔊)
I think most of these amps are all about built by the same or similar build houses. I'm pretty sure crescendo, sundown, DC, Amphere, audio legion, are all the same with just different cases. If there not they are definetly built in the same place using very similar parts.
Xenon boards makes the guts, then it's up to the brand on the case.
+Ali Haidar yes that's what I just said.
Build houses buy and duplicate other brands and change a few small parts to not comp design completely, but coming from China they could get away with a 10% copy as long as name is different...
Thanks to the Free trade Act we get junk in our markets and quality US companies are bankrupt and original design and reliability are all but gone
Amazing testing an walkthrough.
Old video but a very good one thanks. I'm trying to repair a Wolfram aw 9k Korean board.
im envious of all your equipment..looks like it would be alot of fun to run these tests
This video will either make hifonics brz's go up in price, or SQ's go down. lol
Sq made a v2 of the 2200, they upgraded all the internals.
they are the exact same price on amazon right now...
Like those dumbass Orion HCCA 30000 and XTR 2500 after big dwiz video 🤬🤬🤬🤬! It's a gift and a curse
Much appreciate the lengths you are going to here. Weird no matter how you hold regards,proof is in the pudding. MAJOR downer.
I'm a little butthurt, but not surprised. However, I really do wonder what it would do certified at 1 ohm if the voltage was brought up a lot.
l just watched this video leaned a ton keep up the awesome work:-) :-)
Isn't the balanced input connector obsolete in car audio I thought that was a thing on 90s amp. Were there/are there head units that have this connector and where would you get the cable and what is the advantage over RCA
SO DID SQ COPY THE BOARD PATTERN FROM HIFONICS AND RAISED THE PRICE. CAUSE I HAVE 2 OF THE BRZ2400.1 AND THEY ARE STILL GOING STRONG, 10 YEARS AND STILL COUNTING.
Man, excellent work!
Love your vidoes bro...keep it up.
The gray resistors are safety resistors. Won't burn out and short...
Alot of Hifonics amps are slightly overrated but still one of the best bang for your buck!
Theres something wrong with the tests because big d wiz gets way bigger numbers from his ad1
Being that soundqubed's and DD's owners are in the same family (father and son I believe) I'd like to see this test, but with a DD 2k. I'm curious if there is any change there.
Thomas VanSlambrouck no way really dude? I didn't know that!
I have a dd m5. Been clamped after rise on music doin 6100 rms at 12.3 volts at 1.4 ohms doin 6160 rms. I would love to see a comparison video between the dd m5 against a ampere audio 5k cause that was second choice. Love both amps.
@@jwatt95 wtf does that have to do w ampre
christopher paris bruh this was a year ago😂😂. I got rid of the m5. Buying a b2 audio 8k in a few weeks and installing my set up on 2 fully built 9500s. I was just saying a year ago I would to see a comparison between the 2. Dd m5 is way better tho the the ampere 5k.
@@jwatt95 FML that's gonna slam like I've never heard. I just scored a rust free geo tracker pretty sure I'm considering walling it thought those new audiopipe bdc4 18s possibly 4 of them. It would be my first serious other than toss the box in the trunk build. Wish I could get my hands on another soundstream dtr3400.1 actually 3 of them to go with the one I have would be great. Love that amp the one I have now has a 200 amp alt and 2 extra 12 v deep cycles 0 ga and of course big 3. I've torn that amp to hell and back. Actually destroyed Alpine type r 15s dual 4s too so it wasn't even at the .5 it wants and she threw the cone and coul right off the spider and about 2 months after replacing that one I got greedy with some 36 mafia and burnt both of them. I know it's hard to believe but I have 3rockvillek6 10s hooked to the same amp never touched any settings and these 10s take the abuse love it and sound much better overall almost beat the low extension too I was shocked still am so is everyone that hears it.
Please do a comparison of an Arc Audio XDI804 & Planet Audio Big Bang 1200.4. The external inputs and outputs are 99% identical and from what I could tell, the boards were identical. Didn't insect the names of the components. Very well respected car audio shop sells both and swears by the Planet Audio.... Just the Big Bang series though. Very good inexpensive power.
Wow gd shiz bro you should do a lot more of these vids brother
I have a dd m5. Been clamped after rise on music doin 6100 rms at 12.3 volts at 1.4 ohms doin 6160 rms. I would love to see a comparison video between the dd m5 against a ampere audio 5k cause that was second choice. Love both amps.
Great breakdown we need more unbiased value searching comparisons go hifonics
I actually like hifonics.. I had the hfi1000.. I had it on 2 12 inch pioneer champion series 400wrms a piece.. sounded damn good... I'm about to do a different setup now!!!
I like that you don't mindlessly bash Hifonics like other amp testers. I think they are good amps for the money...
Hey you should get your hands on Orions new line of HCCA and XTR amps to see if they do rated, many say they don't but I haven't ever seen a true dyno anywhere on them.
Just subbed..good info on this channel.
Nice comparison!
Have to love hifonics man. I dont care what anyone has to say about them. I love my amp and probably wont even have 2 buy a new one ever agian.
The Hifonics heatsinks actually work , the SQ design is for looks only. Guess which chip will last longer. ;)
U should do reviews on the skar rp 2500 and the Orion xtr 2500... it’s actually pretty interesting to learn which internal components are quality and which aren’t
well the answer is clear to me,hifonics wins half the price better caps same output.hands down it wins,only thing to miss is the clipping light lol but the hifonics has better inputs in my opinion
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i didn't mean the casing it self i meant that it has 2 other types of input the soundqubed amp dosnt and the style is better in my opinion.
+Mark Lawrence my bad! my comments should have been applied to someone else.
Amazing video
Thank you
I have to ask, could you help me pick out am amplifier (preferably 250$ or less) I need it to all East be 2k watts rms
I had to different Hi-Fonics amps old school 2000 watts and 2400 watts , they are good cheap amps but efficiency is not there!! The power is not clean!!!
I’ve had several hinphonic amps . They always last and work great ..just my experience
Hifonics uses "okay" electrolytic capacitors, but cheap box capacitors (Yellow), and SQ uses cheap sh!tty electrolytic capacitor, but uses super high quality box capacitors (Blue)...How is the price for both?
people say that hifonics paterns after soundqubed, hifonics was making amps when the people from soundqubed was still shitting in diapers, i would go hifonics because the watt for dollar price over the soundqubed.
mike s Actually the board in the AQ/SQ amp is a direct build house copy of the Hifonics... they (Maxxsonics) have been using this same board design for almost 20 years... SQ is far from the only company that has copied them either... just a lil FYI ;)
There is a lot of companies that do this. With everything that is sold or manufacturerd.
I got 2 15" Soundqubed hds3's subwoofers with a hifonics Brutus 2400.1 amp and man these things hit really nice with this amp. so glad I saved some money and chose the hifonics, and don't get me wrong, I did want the Soundqubed just because it was Soundqubed but for the same power and a little better and save some money, I'm good with my hifonics and looks awesome at night lit up, you forgot the sweet Led lights....ja
Awesome video man. You seem to be a GURU in the electronics field and must have been doing this stuff since after college. So this is the only model of Hifonics that is the same as the SQ 2200D. This must be the old model though because I don't think they make the BRZ models anymore. The circuit boards must be different in the new models.
Clyde Yamasaki Actually the board in the AQ/SQ amp is a direct build house copy of the
Hifonics... they (Maxxsonics) have been using this same board design
for almost 20 years... SQ is far from the only company that has copied
them either... just a lil FYI ;) only cosmetics have been changed, the boards are the same boards they have always used, just upgraded and better quality is all..
Wyatt Connolly
Thanks for the detailed info. Most people don't know this stuff so it's good that you mentioned it.
I would like to see a test with actual music added to your videos choose a song that is popular for the test or your favourite type of song. Essentially something with repetitive 40ish hz as another guy done a test on their new amp and got 3700rms out of it when it's rated for 3000watts
Excellent. Learned a lot here.
Used to work at Motorola/ On Semiconductor, after the units were 2 years old we had to scrap these by the thousands.
For the HiFonics amp, if my deck put out an 8 volt rca signal to the amp, would that increase the amps output watts? 8 volts seems louder and cleaner than 2 or 4 volts. Maybe we could get closer to that 2400 mark than 2109
Excellant review and explainations. I have a SQ 1200 and was about to switch from Crescendo to SQ in my current build...now I am not so sure. Maybe Ampere. What do you think on those?
Any chance you guys could get your hands on a CAB 1600.1 and do this kind of in depth review?
Hell yeah that thing puts out gnarly power!
I would love to see that aw well. I have one brand new sitting in the box still, never hooked up.
Flexin Five Hundred search UA-cam there's dyno videos of the CAB amp on here
I've been through two CAB's in about 4 months. LOL! Keep frying on me even with a big fan and plenty of voltage. Just ordered an Orion XTR 4000.1 to replace it.
Flexin Five Hundred its not .5 ohm stable bro 😂
very use full, thank you!, you should test the Brutus BRX-2400.1D (the new model) or said to be the new model, the wire connections looks similar..
It's a great comparison.
Not knocking hifonics amp cause it is a good amp. With good electrical it will put good #s. It would had been great if u could drop it down to .5 ohms to see which would hold up.
Wouldn't this also mean DD amps are also in the same boat as the soundqubed amps? Sold out of the same place
One day people will realize most of these car audio companies use the same shelf design from China/Korea.
Hifonics for the win.
OLD hifonics...
mminc81 no doubt
I wish Hifonics would bring back the brz line. I bought mine new for 350 and i would buy another in a second. Cant find them anymore except people that are selling for like 600 bs $'s
Great video, but on the chokes- was the wire the same gauge? That's a big thing...
WOW that was a nice review hey can u compare the 10001 sound stream against the 10,001 precision amplifier
If channels use npn it needs pnps doesn't matter quantity class d yes channel uses standart MOSFETs same as PWM supply uses high speed switching otherwise it would use one PNP one npn transistor to make one batch output
If anyone wants to see ill do video as a honest consumer comparison no brand pushing. Also those amps are produced in china and korea along with 70% of all amps so ya they will definitely look the same i doesn't mean they are the same amp .
good video man
Isn't this the same board as the exile 2400 monoblock from like mid 2000s?
The Hifonics Brutus Does Rated by far!
The ones that are CEA Certifed that is