I stopped watching The Walking Dead because every season was the same story in a different location. "Oh no, zombies! Oh wait, it's the Humans who are the real monsters." Rinse and repeat.
@@ranwolf1240 Excuses nothing, it just got dumber and dumber for the sake of the next paycheck. Furthermore the real story was that the band went from functional group to functional group and destroyed them.
Sarah Connor Chronicles got the Fox Treatment. They shifted the time when season 2 came around, there was little advertising vs the first season, and the worst part was they didn't pay attention to online numbers since that was still untrodden ground which meant all the people watching on Hulu the next day or two were not being counted as heavily as they are now.
That belief about Friday nights being where tv shows go to die is false and I can say why it’s not true. Smallville and Supernatural had their ratings increase when they were moved to Fridays by a tyrant who took their budgets and gave them to her favorite shows instead. So the “Friday Night Deathslot” belief hasn’t been true for years now. Also, WWE Smackdown proved it false as well by consistently getting good ratings.
Agreed. It's been so long, I don't recall the specifics, but I remember there being a lot of production drama (I want to say a writers' strike, and the impending release of Terminator Salvation) that helped stymie it. Plus it was on Fox, which never aired a popular show at the same time two weeks in a row.
Big miss here, the reason the fans didn't come back is because FOX buried it on Friday night and stopped advertising it. I remember being extremely frustrated with the 2-3 ads for 24 and Fringe per commercial break and yet no ads for T:SCC were to be found on the network at all.
I just got burnt out trying to keep up with all the Arrowverse shows. There were too many and they were such long seasons which basically just repeat the same story beats over and over again. *The will they won't they trope when we all know they eventually will. *And when they do get together they keep breaking up over something dumb before eventually getting back together. Because heaven forbid we actually have a healthy ongoing relationship represented on screen. *Manufactured drama over something that lasts for half the season that could have been resolved with a five minute conversation. Which eventually comes to light and the excuse is always "I was trying to protect you" *The same villain archetype almost every season. The crossovers were great but you basically had to watch 4 seasons (one season of each show) of 22+ episodes simultaneously to follow what was happening and then do the same thing for the next season of each show. I loved these shows in the beginning and couldn't wait to watch them each week but they just became too much of the same unoriginal tropes and storylines
True over time the writing got worst as they would focus on pointless character drama over actually developing the characters and telling good stories. It's too bad because in the beginning the Arrowverse was amazing
Woke just translates to not catering to straight white men in my opinion. When you go about your day have a look around you. Do you only see straight white guys or do you see a range of different people of different colours, genders, sexual orientations? Maybe those people want to see themselves represented in media as well. Next time you use the term woke why don't you actually have a think about what that word means
@@slospop1125 this I agree with. I want to watch cool superhero action not the usual BS on shows like this where two characters have a falling out over something that happened ten episodes ago because "I was trying to protect you" when it could have simply been solved if the characters had had a five minute conversation.
Walking Dead season 7 premiere when Negan killed Glen also killed viewers. The premiere had 17.03 million viewers. The very next episode only had 12.46 million. Although it had a decline over episodes and seasons, this was the largest decline from one episode to the next.
It was when they fell all over themselves rewarding and trying to "redeem" the scum that is negan. I felt disgust, and sadness because I loved that show.
I think they lost it because of the cliffhanger from the the previous season. The audience wanted to know who died. After that they lost interest because the walking dead became INCREDIBLY predictable. I know I stopped watching after that because it was the same shit season after season: Bad guy, mid season finale kills sometime, season finale kills bad guy and zombies show up. Wash, rinse, repeat.
For me it was the best episode of the show so I figured there is no way but down from there so no reason to watch given that show runners said there is not going to be a clear end to the show anyway. Each season ending on a cliffhanger didn't help at all.
@@lefantomer The main characters of the show went from group to group destroying them, it fell apart because the "fans" and the creators didn't understand the story they were actually telling.
It was a weird combo, they did a cliffhanger even though 99% of people expected it to be Glenn then they sort of pretended it wasn’t Glenn then it was him too. I think everyone came back that episode to give it a chance but when they did the double kill it was over
I watched Walking Dead until they killed Glenn and that was the final straw. Not so much because they killed Glenn (because I had read the Graphic Novel and knew he would die) it was how they did it. The season finale being a cliffhanger with "Who did Negan Kill?" was unnecessary and greatly contributed to my distaste for the whole thing. With you having an entire offseason to come to grips with it being Glenn that was going to die, only to have them actually kill Abraham and Glenn lovers get to breathe a sigh of relief (even though he was suppose to die) just to have that relief immediately dashed for no real reason. If you are going to remain faithful to the Graphic novel then great, but they clearly didn't do that so it really destroyed the allusion for me and turned me off the show.
Same here. After that I pretty much stopped watching the show due to complete and utter disappointment with how it was. What they should’ve done was limit the show to 10 episodes a season with the same budget. That would mimic season 1 (IMO one of the best Zombie stories ever told regardless of how terrible the rest of the series was).
It could have been the biggest TV show if it had Tolkien or GRRM level writing. It already had the fan base. But no, they pandered to a base that doesn't even like Tolkien.
What i also have noticed with this Samba TV data, is that they speak of U.S households. So obviously they have not done any measurements in the other 239 countries and territories who also have access to streaming The Rings of Power. But it would not be the first time in intertainment history, that something tanks in the U.S, while it has big success in places like the European and Asian regions. But in retropect, then they naturally also have no abilities to see how it goes with the download from the tons of file sharing and torrent places where the scene also share it in HD and UHD.
Or they were great but got abruptly cancelled anyway - shows like Hogan's Heroes and WKRP in Cincinnati were doing great and execs did what was called the 'rural purge' and dumped them without warning.
Anyone else notice with that last shot of Glee they put the guy in the wheelchair behind all the standing people? So all he's seeing is butts instead of the images of their lost friend.
RIP Corey Monteith. I remember when the news broke. It was such a gut punch, especially as a sober alcoholic who knows the struggles of addiction. His and Amy Winehouse's deaths hit me particularly hard.
The biggest tragedy of the cancellation of TSCC is just how god-damned good a hook that ending was. A third season split between a Future War without John Connor as a leader and a present-day Sarah dealing with the loss of her son and having to prepare for the coming Judgement Day? I was absolutely gutted when it was cancelled and I am still just as gutted now years later. One of the worst cancellation decisions in TV history, hands down.
I was in LA working in media in the early/mid 2000s. A friend of mine was a stylist for the Sarah Conner series, it was actually a victim of the writer's strike and that lead into the 07/08 recession and housing market crash. I think it would have survived for another season otherwise.
Fear the Walking Dead: I loved those 1st 3 seasons. Then like Walking Dead, they changed showrunners and it went to shit. After that, season 6 was the only highlight with John Glover and Colby Minifie playing villians which they were great at. Sarah Connor Chronicles had a great 1st season. But season 2 just dragged on with the whole 3 dots things. I think if they kept season 2 as short as season 1, it would have worked so much better. Shirely Manson in season 2 was a pretty good T-1000 PS: Garret Dillahunt was great in both shows
Arrows ratings began to decline massively after season 3 and continued to decline in season 4. The ratings briefly increased in seaosn 5, but then continue to decline after and the show just barely limped on
Arrow was actually decent to start with. I can't remember what season I gave up on the show but I do know I didn't see the last few seasons. I think once Sara was back or started showing up consistently might be when I gave up. and Sara was better than Laurel but 🙄
The failed "Birds of Prey" series is another example. It premiered with 7.6 million viewers in the coveted 18-34 age bracket, the WB networks most successful premiere at the time. But the show's ratings tanked so badly that it was canceled in its first season, with only 13 episodes airing. Why did it fold? Well, it was marketed as a trio of hot, sexy young female superheroines taking on the bad guys in Gotham. It was def a thirst trap for male viewers. But the show never delivered on its promise. The female lead actresses were hot, sexy and young but they didn't dress sexy or act sexy. They wore dark, bulky clothing that obscured their figures. They were a dull, joyless crew. The stories weren't sexy, the characters weren't sexy, and the viewers weren't happy. They stopped watching in droves when they realized they'd been lied to by the show's marketing. Moral of the story: if you are gonna build a thirst trap, better put some water equivalent in it somewhere.
I can say in one word why Once Upon A Time lost ratings: Wonderland. Unnecessary spin-off and the fact that no one watched the show didnt help the original. The Walking Dead. Oh boy. Let’s get into this. AMC took away two weeks of their beloved FearFest lineup that year the show reached its 100th ep and gave it to The Walking Dead. They said oh well, FearFest is only two weeks this year because TWD was more important to us. Guess what happened? People got tired of it, were fed up at being treated like second class citizens and pretty much changed the channel. The landmark episode, which AMC promoted as the big event, had terrible ratings and it never recovered. Folks, I can vouch for this one because I had friends who worked there and so did my friends and family members. They even said yeah, the channel screwed up and ever since then, AMC Network has bent over backwards to make it up to horror fans, pretty much giving the entire month of October to FearFest and its fans. You can say this happened and so did this, but the straw that broke the camels back was the channel screwing around with horror fans who love FearFest and plan their month around it. That show NEVER recovered from that error and it was a BIG error! Friends of mine even said yeah the ratings reflected the disastrous decision and amc even said “ yeah we screwed up, don’t worry FearFest will be back to full power next year”.
Arrowverse became a typical CW drama and stopped letting the plot develop and instead gave you 5 episodes of actual plot per season and 15 of filler. Arrow got super repetative, and it almost became a chore to catch up. The virtue signaling really highlighted the decline in quality of the writing(I remember one episode where they have a scene about a gun buyback, and it felt really on the nose). Flash had the most obnoxious side characters, somehow challenging felicity for the title of worst side character. When the first 3 episodes of the 3rd season of supergirl shoehorn alex being gay instead of, oh idk, the plot, that tells me they just hire any tumblr fan fiction author to peddle slop for 20 episodes, that kind of thing doesnt bother me, but the execution of it really speaks to the quality of writers. Legends at least tried to do something different, but sara became so god damned annoying, you almost had to tune her out. One of my personal annoyances is probably the constant gaslighting of never showing batman, just batman adjacent properties. To be fair, that's not an arrowverse problem. That's a DC tv show problem. Looking at you Titans.
FTWD wasnt a bad show, but it was never must see. I think its decline was a result of WD fatigue. That is why I stopped watching. I watched WD to the bitter end. The Whisperer storyline was very good. I think the death of Rick was part of its demise, but turning Negan into a good guy led to its ultimate doom.
As an avid Simpsons fan, I think the decline can be attributed to a multitude of reasons but mostly there hasn't been a major cause for millions to abandon ship all at the same time. Mostly its due to view fatigue as the show has been on for over 3 decades.
Show me the stats that says that about the CW! I don't know many people who watch any of the other stations. In fact the vast majority of people I know either watch CW or the paramount network (upn) maybe don't talk about u.s network TV if ur not from the u.s...
@@criminalmindsgirl2936Disney is not woke. It is a ruthless corporation that would throw ANYONE under the bus if it suited their purposes. Here in Florida, they have given millions to right wing Republicans who are self righteously hostile to the LGBT community
@@ExtremeMadnessX The stupid and woke "The Timeless children" story was a reboot. Lets not pretend. When they made a point of rewriting it so that William Hartnell wasn't the first doctor. It was a reboot. Changing 50 years of canon is NOT a continuation.
Yeah, that's it exactly. Of all the Berlanti shows, it went off the woke rails the hardest. I have no idea why. But it got very tedious. They were producing TV for that non-existent "modern audience".
Ya I kind of agree , I'm someone who is perfectly OK with gays and Trans people I have no opinion most of the time when it comes to those groups of people and if anything support them most of the time but it started feeling very shoehorned in and not a genuine part of the narrative like it felt like it was for instance with mr. Terrific
Why do you people worry about things being woke so much? what do they actually do to you or how do they afect you? Not criticism just genuine curiosity, considering i dont give a dam about politics.
@@angellar8436 People can be as woke as they want. In their own time and space. Explore and learn! But when their ideology infects politics, education and entertainment, everything goes to isht. Wokeness is based on lies, resentment, anti-spirituality and ultimately, nihilism. Just in terms of entertainment, woke people tell lousy stories. It's a fact. -There are two reasons. Shutting out reality means that you stop paying attention to reality, (obviously), which means stories slide out of cohesion with baselines in every dimension. Only very observant people make great story-tellers. Choosing to cleave to lies and shut out reality means a person shuts down their ability to see and relate meaningful observations. Stories just can't withstand the pressure of failing to speak to universal archetypes. Secondly, woke works usually frame themselves in preachy, accusatory, bitter tones, when obvious, or manipulative undertones meant to trick you into accepting larger lies in an effort to effect a cult programming vector. I could go on, but that's just some of the low hanging fruit.
Well I thought "Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles " ,was like a sweet show to watch on TV at time .I just did not like how the second season ended , but I do own the first season of the show .And Summer was a kickass little Terminator on the show ,it did suck when was canceled out right ! But who what's her name would in "Game of Thrones " .
I stopped watching The Walking Dead because every season was the same story in a different location.
"Oh no, zombies! Oh wait, it's the Humans who are the real monsters." Rinse and repeat.
so it was like the comic
@@ranwolf1240 Excuses nothing, it just got dumber and dumber for the sake of the next paycheck. Furthermore the real story was that the band went from functional group to functional group and destroyed them.
Sarah Connor Chronicles got the Fox Treatment. They shifted the time when season 2 came around, there was little advertising vs the first season, and the worst part was they didn't pay attention to online numbers since that was still untrodden ground which meant all the people watching on Hulu the next day or two were not being counted as heavily as they are now.
Just like with Firefly. They played musical timeslots with it and were surprised when no one could find it.
it tickles me that sarah connor was played by both the actress for daenerys targaryen and the actress for queen cersei 😄
Terminator got moved to Fridays - where TV shows go to die.
Does that seem ironic in a generation that was raised on TGIF?!🤔
That belief about Friday nights being where tv shows go to die is false and I can say why it’s not true. Smallville and Supernatural had their ratings increase when they were moved to Fridays by a tyrant who took their budgets and gave them to her favorite shows instead. So the “Friday Night Deathslot” belief hasn’t been true for years now. Also, WWE Smackdown proved it false as well by consistently getting good ratings.
Sarah Connor Chronicles was such a good show. I wish they would have given it a couple more seasons!
Agreed. It's been so long, I don't recall the specifics, but I remember there being a lot of production drama (I want to say a writers' strike, and the impending release of Terminator Salvation) that helped stymie it. Plus it was on Fox, which never aired a popular show at the same time two weeks in a row.
Yeah, it was great, and then it got announced that it wouldn’t be renewed and it felt like you could see them give up on it as the episodes carried on
Can only agree. I still have the DVDs that I revisit now and then.
That season finale when Derek takes John to the park for ice cream. what a beautiful, touching moment that came out of no where
Big miss here, the reason the fans didn't come back is because FOX buried it on Friday night and stopped advertising it. I remember being extremely frustrated with the 2-3 ads for 24 and Fringe per commercial break and yet no ads for T:SCC were to be found on the network at all.
Smallville started this wave of modern-day superhero tv…
Yea? What shows came after before Arrow.
I just got burnt out trying to keep up with all the Arrowverse shows. There were too many and they were such long seasons which basically just repeat the same story beats over and over again.
*The will they won't they trope when we all know they eventually will.
*And when they do get together they keep breaking up over something dumb before eventually getting back together. Because heaven forbid we actually have a healthy ongoing relationship represented on screen.
*Manufactured drama over something that lasts for half the season that could have been resolved with a five minute conversation. Which eventually comes to light and the excuse is always "I was trying to protect you"
*The same villain archetype almost every season.
The crossovers were great but you basically had to watch 4 seasons (one season of each show) of 22+ episodes simultaneously to follow what was happening and then do the same thing for the next season of each show.
I loved these shows in the beginning and couldn't wait to watch them each week but they just became too much of the same unoriginal tropes and storylines
Honestly, the entire Arrowverse made the same mistake of turning into typical CW drama and stopped focusing on super hero stuff
True over time the writing got worst as they would focus on pointless character drama over actually developing the characters and telling good stories. It's too bad because in the beginning the Arrowverse was amazing
Supergirl also started declining after the first season because the writers took focus away from the story to overly promote WOKE pandering.
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Woke just translates to not catering to straight white men in my opinion. When you go about your day have a look around you. Do you only see straight white guys or do you see a range of different people of different colours, genders, sexual orientations? Maybe those people want to see themselves represented in media as well. Next time you use the term woke why don't you actually have a think about what that word means
@@slospop1125 this I agree with. I want to watch cool superhero action not the usual BS on shows like this where two characters have a falling out over something that happened ten episodes ago because "I was trying to protect you" when it could have simply been solved if the characters had had a five minute conversation.
Walking Dead season 7 premiere when Negan killed Glen also killed viewers. The premiere had 17.03 million viewers. The very next episode only had 12.46 million. Although it had a decline over episodes and seasons, this was the largest decline from one episode to the next.
It was when they fell all over themselves rewarding and trying to "redeem" the scum that is negan. I felt disgust, and sadness because I loved that show.
I think they lost it because of the cliffhanger from the the previous season. The audience wanted to know who died. After that they lost interest because the walking dead became INCREDIBLY predictable.
I know I stopped watching after that because it was the same shit season after season:
Bad guy, mid season finale kills sometime, season finale kills bad guy and zombies show up.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
For me it was the best episode of the show so I figured there is no way but down from there so no reason to watch given that show runners said there is not going to be a clear end to the show anyway. Each season ending on a cliffhanger didn't help at all.
@@lefantomer The main characters of the show went from group to group destroying them, it fell apart because the "fans" and the creators didn't understand the story they were actually telling.
It was a weird combo, they did a cliffhanger even though 99% of people expected it to be Glenn then they sort of pretended it wasn’t Glenn then it was him too. I think everyone came back that episode to give it a chance but when they did the double kill it was over
I watched Walking Dead until they killed Glenn and that was the final straw. Not so much because they killed Glenn (because I had read the Graphic Novel and knew he would die) it was how they did it. The season finale being a cliffhanger with "Who did Negan Kill?" was unnecessary and greatly contributed to my distaste for the whole thing. With you having an entire offseason to come to grips with it being Glenn that was going to die, only to have them actually kill Abraham and Glenn lovers get to breathe a sigh of relief (even though he was suppose to die) just to have that relief immediately dashed for no real reason. If you are going to remain faithful to the Graphic novel then great, but they clearly didn't do that so it really destroyed the allusion for me and turned me off the show.
Same here. After that I pretty much stopped watching the show due to complete and utter disappointment with how it was.
What they should’ve done was limit the show to 10 episodes a season with the same budget. That would mimic season 1 (IMO one of the best Zombie stories ever told regardless of how terrible the rest of the series was).
Kinda surprised Rings of Power is not here, since just yesterday it was announced it’s lost 50% of its audience.
It could have been the biggest TV show if it had Tolkien or GRRM level writing. It already had the fan base. But no, they pandered to a base that doesn't even like Tolkien.
What i also have noticed with this Samba TV data, is that they speak of U.S households.
So obviously they have not done any measurements in the other 239 countries and territories who
also have access to streaming The Rings of Power.
But it would not be the first time in intertainment history, that something tanks in the U.S, while it
has big success in places like the European and Asian regions.
But in retropect, then they naturally also have no abilities to see how it goes with the download from
the tons of file sharing and torrent places where the scene also share it in HD and UHD.
Hard to imagine that it had an audience to lose... The sea is always right!
Half of 6 is 3. It only lost 3 viewers, not the end of the world
Let’s see if “it was overhyped and turned out to be bad” shows up as a reason on this list.
That appears to be a no, otherwise a certain…Ring would be number 1
Or they were great but got abruptly cancelled anyway - shows like Hogan's Heroes and WKRP in Cincinnati were doing great and execs did what was called the 'rural purge' and dumped them without warning.
Walking Dead fucked up when they killed Carl off. Real fans know the show is based on a comic. And Carl was supposed to outlive everyone
For me, it was the Glenn death pump fake, only to have Negan kill him
Disagree, I found Carl in the show to be really insufferable
Real fans know it was based on a comic? Everyone knew, that was their initial advertising
Cosign. Carl sucked @@yomommashouse580
I left Walking Dead when it killed off Glenn in such a gruesome manner.
We don't talk about season 7 of Once Upon a Time. It had a great conclusion at the end of season 6.
TWD. Negan. End of discussion.
Once Upon a Time ended for me when Frozen got involved.
Anyone else notice with that last shot of Glee they put the guy in the wheelchair behind all the standing people? So all he's seeing is butts instead of the images of their lost friend.
Not sure if you watched the whole episode. But they were facing the camera and then turned around to look at the picture of their friend
Got to admit, I loved Gotham, even if we never got to see the cape and cowl.
RIP Corey Monteith. I remember when the news broke. It was such a gut punch, especially as a sober alcoholic who knows the struggles of addiction. His and Amy Winehouse's deaths hit me particularly hard.
The biggest tragedy of the cancellation of TSCC is just how god-damned good a hook that ending was. A third season split between a Future War without John Connor as a leader and a present-day Sarah dealing with the loss of her son and having to prepare for the coming Judgement Day? I was absolutely gutted when it was cancelled and I am still just as gutted now years later. One of the worst cancellation decisions in TV history, hands down.
Saying "declining quality" is not really a reason itself
I was in LA working in media in the early/mid 2000s. A friend of mine was a stylist for the Sarah Conner series, it was actually a victim of the writer's strike and that lead into the 07/08 recession and housing market crash. I think it would have survived for another season otherwise.
Fear the Walking Dead: I loved those 1st 3 seasons. Then like Walking Dead, they changed showrunners and it went to shit. After that, season 6 was the only highlight with John Glover and Colby Minifie playing villians which they were great at.
Sarah Connor Chronicles had a great 1st season. But season 2 just dragged on with the whole 3 dots things. I think if they kept season 2 as short as season 1, it would have worked so much better. Shirely Manson in season 2 was a pretty good T-1000
PS: Garret Dillahunt was great in both shows
Not mentioning the death of Glenn as the beginning of the ratings decline for TWD is criminal.
Arrows ratings began to decline massively after season 3 and continued to decline in season 4. The ratings briefly increased in seaosn 5, but then continue to decline after and the show just barely limped on
When they killed Laurel - WTAF??
Arrow was actually decent to start with. I can't remember what season I gave up on the show but I do know I didn't see the last few seasons. I think once Sara was back or started showing up consistently might be when I gave up. and Sara was better than Laurel but 🙄
Amazing video what culture.
The failed "Birds of Prey" series is another example. It premiered with 7.6 million viewers in the coveted 18-34 age bracket, the WB networks most successful premiere at the time. But the show's ratings tanked so badly that it was canceled in its first season, with only 13 episodes airing. Why did it fold? Well, it was marketed as a trio of hot, sexy young female superheroines taking on the bad guys in Gotham. It was def a thirst trap for male viewers. But the show never delivered on its promise. The female lead actresses were hot, sexy and young but they didn't dress sexy or act sexy. They wore dark, bulky clothing that obscured their figures. They were a dull, joyless crew. The stories weren't sexy, the characters weren't sexy, and the viewers weren't happy. They stopped watching in droves when they realized they'd been lied to by the show's marketing. Moral of the story: if you are gonna build a thirst trap, better put some water equivalent in it somewhere.
I can say in one word why Once Upon A Time lost ratings: Wonderland. Unnecessary spin-off and the fact that no one watched the show didnt help the original.
The Walking Dead. Oh boy. Let’s get into this. AMC took away two weeks of their beloved FearFest lineup that year the show reached its 100th ep and gave it to The Walking Dead. They said oh well, FearFest is only two weeks this year because TWD was more important to us. Guess what happened? People got tired of it, were fed up at being treated like second class citizens and pretty much changed the channel. The landmark episode, which AMC promoted as the big event, had terrible ratings and it never recovered.
Folks, I can vouch for this one because I had friends who worked there and so did my friends and family members. They even said yeah, the channel screwed up and ever since then, AMC Network has bent over backwards to make it up to horror fans, pretty much giving the entire month of October to FearFest and its fans. You can say this happened and so did this, but the straw that broke the camels back was the channel screwing around with horror fans who love FearFest and plan their month around it. That show NEVER recovered from that error and it was a BIG error! Friends of mine even said yeah the ratings reflected the disastrous decision and amc even said “ yeah we screwed up, don’t worry FearFest will be back to full power next year”.
No the walking deads decline is more related to terrible writing, insane plot armour and stupid unrealistic decisions the characters make.
They moved TSCC to Friday which was it's death.
Currently rewatching “Prison Break.” The writer’s strike interruption of 2008 is obvious.
Arrowverse became a typical CW drama and stopped letting the plot develop and instead gave you 5 episodes of actual plot per season and 15 of filler. Arrow got super repetative, and it almost became a chore to catch up. The virtue signaling really highlighted the decline in quality of the writing(I remember one episode where they have a scene about a gun buyback, and it felt really on the nose). Flash had the most obnoxious side characters, somehow challenging felicity for the title of worst side character. When the first 3 episodes of the 3rd season of supergirl shoehorn alex being gay instead of, oh idk, the plot, that tells me they just hire any tumblr fan fiction author to peddle slop for 20 episodes, that kind of thing doesnt bother me, but the execution of it really speaks to the quality of writers. Legends at least tried to do something different, but sara became so god damned annoying, you almost had to tune her out. One of my personal annoyances is probably the constant gaslighting of never showing batman, just batman adjacent properties. To be fair, that's not an arrowverse problem. That's a DC tv show problem. Looking at you Titans.
FTWD wasnt a bad show, but it was never must see. I think its decline was a result of WD fatigue. That is why I stopped watching. I watched WD to the bitter end. The Whisperer storyline was very good. I think the death of Rick was part of its demise, but turning Negan into a good guy led to its ultimate doom.
Does the Simpsons count?
As an avid Simpsons fan, I think the decline can be attributed to a multitude of reasons but mostly there hasn't been a major cause for millions to abandon ship all at the same time. Mostly its due to view fatigue as the show has been on for over 3 decades.
That's hilarious 🤣😂🤣😂
At least it's 💩 episodes are still comfort & funnier than other things on today
Grumpyk1d Have read that a lot of Simpsons fans think it dropped off after Season 11.
I didn’t mind that Gotham did its own thing, it’s just didn’t find what it was doing that interesting.
NCIS ought to be on the list.
No.
Sarah Conner moved to Friday after a longer than average summer break on Fox. That's like going from the main event at a PLE to the dark match on nXt.
Show me the stats that says that about the CW! I don't know many people who watch any of the other stations. In fact the vast majority of people I know either watch CW or the paramount network (upn) maybe don't talk about u.s network TV if ur not from the u.s...
I haven't watched any of these shows
Thanks for sharing.
I enjoyed the first season of Glee. I saw only 2 episodes of S2. Somehow Leah Michelle became so annoying that I stopped watching.
What about the reboot of Doctor Who? Did you gloss over it since it is still failing even with the hindrance of Disney?
Sad how people tend to give Disney a pass or make excuses when their movies/TV shows fail due to Disney trying to be woke/political
Reboot? It's continuation.
@@criminalmindsgirl2936I'm using woke to hide how I don't want to see wo, POC, and LGBTQ people in my favorite fiction.
@@criminalmindsgirl2936Disney is not woke. It is a ruthless corporation that would throw ANYONE under the bus if it suited their purposes. Here in Florida, they have given millions to right wing Republicans who are self righteously hostile to the LGBT community
@@ExtremeMadnessX The stupid and woke "The Timeless children" story was a reboot. Lets not pretend. When they made a point of rewriting it so that William Hartnell wasn't the first doctor. It was a reboot. Changing 50 years of canon is NOT a continuation.
Heroes???
A lot of these are fox shows 😂 😂
Am I the only one who thought, "Rick is dead, I can finally start enjoying this show again." ? And then he was not really dead...
Yeah, uh huh.., Supergirl got Hard Woke and that's why I turned it off. I suspect I wasn't alone. Funny you didn't mention that.
Yeah, that's it exactly. Of all the Berlanti shows, it went off the woke rails the hardest. I have no idea why. But it got very tedious. They were producing TV for that non-existent "modern audience".
Ya I kind of agree , I'm someone who is perfectly OK with gays and Trans people I have no opinion most of the time when it comes to those groups of people and if anything support them most of the time but it started feeling very shoehorned in and not a genuine part of the narrative like it felt like it was for instance with mr. Terrific
Totally Agree!!
Why do you people worry about things being woke so much? what do they actually do to you or how do they afect you? Not criticism just genuine curiosity, considering i dont give a dam about politics.
@@angellar8436 People can be as woke as they want. In their own time and space. Explore and learn! But when their ideology infects politics, education and entertainment, everything goes to isht. Wokeness is based on lies, resentment, anti-spirituality and ultimately, nihilism.
Just in terms of entertainment, woke people tell lousy stories. It's a fact. -There are two reasons. Shutting out reality means that you stop paying attention to reality, (obviously), which means stories slide out of cohesion with baselines in every dimension. Only very observant people make great story-tellers. Choosing to cleave to lies and shut out reality means a person shuts down their ability to see and relate meaningful observations. Stories just can't withstand the pressure of failing to speak to universal archetypes. Secondly, woke works usually frame themselves in preachy, accusatory, bitter tones, when obvious, or manipulative undertones meant to trick you into accepting larger lies in an effort to effect a cult programming vector.
I could go on, but that's just some of the low hanging fruit.
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I lost interest in Supergirl from the very first episode when they introduced a black Jimmy Olsen. Stopped watching. Never went back.
I know, right? I hate when black people are in TV shows
Oh no, not a black person playing a fictional character!
That says more about you, than the show.
Grey's Anatomy lost viewers after Shonda Rhimes increasingly interjected her liberal politics into the show and turned it into "Gay's Anatomy".
Well I thought "Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles " ,was like a sweet show to watch on TV at time .I just did not like how the second season ended , but I do own the first season of the show .And Summer was a kickass little Terminator on the show ,it did suck when was canceled out right ! But who what's her name would in "Game of Thrones " .